It’s in the air this week, the “let’s remove the Sussexes’ titles” story. Dick Fitzwilliams already talked about how Prince William will “remove titles” when he’s Scooter King. And now this: the Mail’s Richard Eden devoted his Mail column to the subject of Prince Harry and Meghan’s titles. Eden is a day late and a dollar short though, because the crux of his argument is that King Charles should do what Denmark’s Queen Margrethe did in September 2022, which was remove royal titles from her “spare” and the spare’s children. Like, there was a whole-ass conversation about all of this in 2022. Not only that, but it was widely assumed that Margrethe did all of that because she saw the messiness of the Windsor clan. Her move happened right after QEII’s funeral, and it was said that Margrethe wanted to get her succession in order after witnessing the Windsor Shambles.
The Royal Family have always seemed to me to have a slightly condescending attitude to their continental cousins. While European monarchs have regularly travelled to this country for big occasions such as royal weddings, ours haven’t always returned the compliment. More often than not, it’s been Prince Edward who’s been dispatched to a royal wedding overseas rather than our monarch or even our heir to the throne.
The so-called ‘bicycling monarchies’ of Scandinavia have frequently been the subject of mockery when contrasted with our ‘proper’ monarchy with its horse-drawn carriages, numerous palaces and all the pomp and circumstance you could want. But, as I researched the latest edition of my YouTube show Eden’s Royals, what struck me most was how King Charles could learn a thing or two from some of the foreign monarchies.
This week, I focused on the Danish royal family, who have much in common with our own. While Queen Elizabeth II reigned for a record-breaking 70 years, Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, her third cousin, was a similarly respected figure who was on the throne for 52 years. Unlike Queen Elizabeth, Margrethe did not reign until her death. Instead, she announced her abdication at the age of 83 in a speech televised to the nation on New Year’s Eve in 2023. It was the first time in nearly 900 years that a Danish sovereign had voluntarily stepped down to make room for a younger generation of royals and came as a major shock because Margrethe had always insisted that her job was for life.
In September 2022, she announced that the children of her younger son, Prince Joachim, would no longer be styled as ‘prince’ or ‘princess’ from the following year onwards. The dramatic decision affected four of her grandchildren: Prince Nikolai, Prince Felix, Prince Henrik and Princess Athena. The children would still be able to use the titles of counts and countess of Monpezat, but would be addressed as ‘excellencies’ rather than ‘majesties’.
Margrethe said she wanted to ‘create the framework for the four grandchildren to be able to shape their own lives to a much greater extent without being limited by the special considerations and duties that a formal affiliation with the Royal House of Denmark as an institution involves’. Prince Joachim, who had not been involved in any great controversies, was furious.
Margrethe’s decisive action is in stark contrast to the absence of any moves by King Charles against his younger son. Unlike Prince Joachim, Prince Harry has abandoned public duties, repeatedly attacked his family and undermined the monarchy. Yet he and his wife have been allowed to keep the Duke and Duchess of Sussex titles that Queen Elizabeth gave them because they were working royals. Harry has even been allowed to remain as a Counsellor of State, legally entitling him to stand in for the King, at least in theory. Not only have Harry and Meghan been allowed to keep their titles, but their children remain Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet.
All this is a huge boost to the Sussexes as they try to claw back the automatic, 24-hour police protection which they lost when they moved overseas. After all, why would the Government want to deny them of something they so desperately want when the King allows them to keep all their perks? It’s time for the King to follow the example of his Danish counterpart and take action which will undoubtedly upset his younger son but will benefit the monarchy and the country.
Again, this was already discussed ad nauseam in 2022. There were even stories about King Charles “watching” the Danes’ situation carefully. Still, Eden wants to talk about it, so let’s talk about it. There are some other big differences which Eden fails to mention, like the fact that Prince Joachim and his brother, now-King Frederick X, are still on good terms and Joachim even attended his brother’s accession events. The current heir to the British throne is a childish monster who rage-shrieks about how much he hates his brother. Joachim also spoke up, at the time, and criticized his mother’s decision, and she spoke to her son and there was never any kind of huge estrangement. Charles has gone years without contacting Harry and huge rifts still remain. I honestly don’t doubt that Charles has considered removing the Sussexes’ titles, but he probably feels like it’s too petty, even for him, and it would so obviously be and look like a personally-motivated punishment. Whereas Margrethe was clearly just doing some clean-up so that Fred wouldn’t be left with a sprawling, titled family.
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Take away scooters titles then that will solve it. In those photographs charles looks uncomfortable with the eldest grandkids. The family photo looks awkward with charles holding george on his lap and Charlotte placed all the way on the other side.
Because the shrew next to her couldn’t be bothered to put an arm around her. It’s so glaring.
I love this picture because it speaks volumes.
You have to wonder if the other European royals pay attention to the drama addicted BRF and what they think of it..
Trust me those European royal family is way more messed up than what is reported. Because brf is english , we found out but their f£ckery openly. Danes control the press very much and the current king was dumb enough to get caught in 4k going to his mistress house. Dutch king had backlash for his expensive holidays, spain is mess and don’t even start on norway. Sweden victoria and Daniel is mess too , their press cover up their shenanigans. Also none of the other European house have charming spare like harry , so public will leave them or won’t pay attention to that much.
Sure. Let’s trim the royal family. Start with Anne, Andrew and Edward–all spares well past their freshness date. Let’s not forget the nasty princess Michael. Then the York sisters and the Sussexes. Do not forget Charlotte, Louis, Archie & Lili–all unneeded potential spares in this age of decent healthcare. And then let’s trim the costly and useless Charles & Camilla and Willy & Kate. And why George, who seems like a nice enough teenager, but why?
Exactly. If you’re going to start stripping titles from spares, you need to take away ALL of them, not just the ones of family members you’re trying to punish.
Except there’s now way he will strip his own kids of their titles. He just won’t. Especially after he got an LP written to make then hrh prince/princess from birth as opposed to when Charles became king. But again we’re talking about titles and stylings. He can only take the stylings once he’s king and would need parliament to take the titles.
Meh that man Maureen is smoking something.
But but but … bicycling monarchies are so far below us.
What about all the minor uk royals. How about we start with them.
Danes model is very bad too because the current king has four children and three spares. This is messed up and also danes don’t have that much palaces or charity depends on them. This is why following European model is very bad because British empire is very vast and many commonwealth has british as head of state. The late queen was wise in that way because there are so many royals and charity work they did . It justified all those palaces and money. With only chuck and billy , it’s going to be very obvious in few years and chicken will come roost .
In which century do you live? There is no vast British Empire. The Empire is long gone. Most Commonwealth states don’t have a “British head of state”. The ones which still have the King as nominal head of state hold referendums to change that. Or leave the Commonwealth altogether.
Which charities depend on the royals? They don’t hold fundraisers. They don’t donate any money. The average charity with a royal patron gets a 30 minute visit every 7 years.
The other European monarchies have the monarch and consort plus the heir as working royals. The siblings and their children are supposed to have a career and make their own money. Only the British insist on indentured servitude, where the siblings are supposed to work for the crown until they drop dead and get a stipend, the amount by discretion of the monarch, for their living. Which can be taken away anytime, shouldn’t they toe the line, as Charles proved when he cut Harry off despite the Sandringham Agreement gave Harry a one year grace period with full security and stipend.
Basically the royal commentators have run out of things to say. They are recycling this call for public punishment. As if taking the titles would make the royal family less racist, less cruel. Without the titles, Harry and Meghan would still stand tall. What would Eden and Fitzwhatever write about then?
Exactly. They can remove all the titles they want and H&M will still always be the most charismatic and consequential of that entire bunch.
It’s incredible. They talk about the title removal constantly (daily?) and have for more than six years now. They’re consumed by it. I can’t wait until — if Will gets his way — they are stripped of them, and absolutely nothing changes. They’ll continue to be successful, beloved rockstars worldwide and keep doing their own thing. What will Bill do with his time then? What will he talk about? What will he THINK about? He won’t have a reason to even get out of bed in the morning (not that he really does now). Absolutely everyone is always going to call them Prince Harry and Princess Meghan and know that they’re true royalty no matter what the BRF’s obscure little rules dictate.
Are these people seriously that delusional that they think it will make a difference to 99.999% of the population — who even follow the BRF and would know about it — and that this move would automatically reduce their worth and likability? That they’d disappear overnight and all of the attention would pivot to W&K? Please.
Diana has been gone for almost 30 years now and she’s still absolutely iconic. People *still* prefer stories about her far more than Charles. Everyone refers to her as Princess Diana and she’s on the cover of this week’s People magazine, ffs. (I know People has turned into complete trash, but it must make Chuck livid that so many people still care about her. “Forgotten soon enough” my ass.)
Plus, Meghan is a Nigerian princess.
I’ve said it before but I don’t think removing titles makes any sense. William will be King because of who his father is, who his grandmother was. It’s all about the genes. Harry has the same parents as Will, just like Anne and Andrew have the same parents as Charles. So now it’s not “Magic Blood,” it’s “Special Firstborn Child Magic Blood?” When anyone who looks at Charles at least can see that he did NOT get the best his parents had to offer?
Whatever.
“When anyone who looks at Charles at least can see that he did NOT get the best his parents had to offer?”
So brutal. So true!
This about William – the titles thing is just a smokescreen. The important part is what Eden sneaked into the 3rd paragraph – that Queen Margarethe stepped down “to make room for a younger generation.”
Why hasn’t Charles “moved against” his own son is a remarkable question to ask. Abolish the monarchy.
It’s utter nonsense. This would have to go through Parliament – dynamite politically and legally (a slippery slope)! Btw, HRHs Prince & Princess Michael of Kent never seem to be mentioned. Nor other family members with lesser titles – in fact, there are more non-working family members with titles than working 🤔
I feel like I am watching a real life version of the Grinch, after removing all the shiny objects and presents, Christmas still happened. The RF can remove the titles and perks but the Sussex’s are still going to be more popular. The difference will be the ending whereas the grinch grew a heart, TOB’s heart will burst due to rage. I will be watching with popcorn (and prayers for H&M safety).
This is actually such an apt metaphor!!
It’s just funny to me that the media/haters think Harry and Meghan will just instantly disappear without the titles. If anything it will make them more popular because they were taken for no reason and Andrew still has his. Even though Charles/William can’t do it on their own, I think Parliament would agree to what they wanted.
What parliament recognizes that if they remove titles from anyone for no reason other than to please the king, it becomes a slippery slope for a hereditary monarchy. If one title can be removed, then any title can be removed. They can’t believe in hereditary titles unless they are untouchable. Titles cannot be a popularity contest. It defeats the whole concept. Parliament will not take Harry’s titles.
Exactly. If they start removing titles, it causes all kinds of cognitive dissonance with the monarchy’s first principle, that royalty is royalty. If they start picking and choosing royals, the entire house of cards crumbles.
William doesn’t think long-term, or too deeply about things, imo. And he’s definitely not bright enough to even realize this, or even realize fairly basic things like not to admit in public that he didn’t bother to read his briefing notes or make jokes about Covid.
Plus, he knows that he personally, and Kate and the kids, will be unaffected, which is all he cares about (and I believe he only ‘cares’ about Kate in the sense that he believes she’s a reflection of him/his choices. He knows who would come out on top and who would come off as pathetic whenever anyone compared his wife to his brother’s wife.)
Funny … regarding the Queen of Denmark at that time … she only removed the titles of her grandchildren (prince and princess). Her children still have their titles. That would mean that Harry would actually retain his title as a prince. BTW, they grandchildren still have titles. They are now count or countess.
As for the title of duke – Harry ask his grandmother if he could return it. She said it wasn’t possible anymore. He needed to have done this within a year.
That’s something g I wonder about. Would eh only take the hrh stylings from Archie and Lili then and leave Harry with his prince styling. Or would he strip Harry of his hrh Prince styling also so that Harry is no longer a Prince? There could be nothing pettier than stripping his brother of his Prince styling. I’m sorry but sure he can do it. He’s just gonna look pathetically petty and insecure on the world stage.
When are people in the British press going to admit that the reason why that they want Harry stripped of his title is because he married a black American woman?
Never.
Absolutely fcking never. The one thing that all racist people have in common is that they get affronted if anyone calls them out on their racism.
But we at least know it’s the truth. And so would a lot of people around the commonwealth and in the U.S. The BRF has never stripped away titles, even from a pedophile, but then decides to do it after a Black woman married the spare? That’s an easy narrative to convey.
Let’s not forget Eden is a “Middleton Mouthpiece” He’s probably asking KCIII to remove the titles on behalf of William and his wife. KCIII is petty and vindictive and couldn’t give two hoots about his spare and his family to the point where I think KCIII is using Harry’s titles to get back at William. Somewhere along the line KCIII has had enough of kow towing to the heir and decided “fcuk it, if the little shite wants to remove his titles then he can do it”
It also helps promote the Middleton status if Harry’s family (although royal blood) do not have any titles when/if William makes Ma and her brood lords and ladies! IMHO William would be stupid to take away Harry’s titles and then award titles to Ma Middleton which is probably why he needs KCIII to do it for him. Even if KCIII did give in to pressure and took his titles, Harry is still a blood prince and his mother a member of a true blue blood aristocratic family. No matter how William, Kate, Ma Middleton and their pet poodles in the media try to spin it Harry has an historic lineage that cannot be wiped out just by taking away a title.
Umm Prince Joachim is still a Prince and a Count. He didn’t lose any titles. The only styling that changed was for his children. His ex-wife is also still a Countess. Also the snobbery at suggesting the German interlopers have a better monarchy because they ride in carriages is so stupid. The Dutch do that too, but only once a year.
What Maureen fails to see is that Harry contributes more to the British monarchy as a “non working” royal than Scooter does as a working one. Just liok at Harry’s activities over the past two weeks. Invictus. The Clinton Global Initiative. Well Child. All reflected better on the monarchy than the unexceptional heir walking on the beach and waiting tables. And Harry has done his part without taking hundreds of millions from taxpayers.
Instead of saying thank you to Harry the leave behind royals and their rota propaganda machine keep attacking him. Completely illigical and self damaging.
@GMHQ … The British media outlets aren’t reporting on Prince Harry’s activities in NYC this week.
Such good points, @GMHQ. Everything Bill does is so shallow and gimmicky (see: the scooter and every apron he’s ever worn) and solely designed for sound bites and photo ops of him looking like a “man of the people.” He accomplishes absolutely nothing of substance.
How many more times does it need to be explained to the press and the public that the UK King cannot remove titles. The King cannot do much of anything without Parliament. The whole business of claiming to remove Andrew’s titles was a farce. It was an insult to the intelligence of British people to pretend that Andrew’s titles had been removed . It was playing to the tabloid press. The reality was that Andrew agreed to stop using his titles as far as the general public is concerned.
The reigning monarch can remove HRH status from someone like Diana because she acquired this status through marriage and the ending of her marriage ended that status. HRH creates the assumption that the holder of this status represents the reigning monarch. It creates the expectation that the holder is entitled to expect people to bow or curtsey when meeting them. This is the situation Andrew’s daughters are in. They are born Princesses but were told to stop using HRH . Prince and Princess Michael of Kent were told the same but they ignored the request/instruction. The reason for the King’s recent letter to Lords Lieutenant and other officials was to clarify this point. Harry does not officially represent the King and should not be addressed as HRH. He is, however a Prince, just as Denmark’s Joachim is a Prince.
Harry’s dukedom cannot be removed by the King. It is a piece of property he owns and which Archie has a legal right to inherit.
My comment keeps disappearing but I will try one more time:
We have to stop saying “They can’t do that, the law states…” There are some people who are simply above the law and the British King and his heir fall into this group. Trump does, too. These are men who will never be held accountable no matter what they do. Will clearly wants his kids to be the only princes and princesses in the UK so that is what will happen. Who will stop him? No one will tell him “No.” Chuck set the precedent with Andrew by Letters Patent and whatever a royal warrant is. No one cared because Andrew was a criminal. Welp, no one will care when it comes to Harry. Harry needs to accept that and plan accordingly. They. Are. Above. Any. Laws.
They are not above the law. The King, and only the king, is exempt from prosecution, that’s it.
Removing hereditary titles takes an act of parliament. The King can’t change that, just as he can’t make or change laws. He can make suggestions to the PM, but the PM would need a majority of his government voting for a new law. Which won’t happen in this case, they won’t open Pandora’s box.
The Scandinavian queen also abdicated for her son but are they asking for that too. Why not restrict their public costs the way those monarchies do?The thing is these people calling for removing titles aren’t really interested in public policy or costs, but rather targeting a specific individual who hasn’t done anything wrong, but they don’t like. They think his presence of working independently outside the institution is an insult to the monarchy and they’re obsessed with punishing his biracial wife and putting her in her place. I’m sure there’s been many a discussion of doing this and there’s a reason they haven’t done it yet.
I will *never* understand why, after the amount of money the BRF receives was increased for one year specifically for repairs to Buckingham Palace – which was in such dire shape due to the Queen’s mismanagement- never went back down again to whatever they’d been getting in the first place (if I have my facts correct).
So, he wants the titles removed so that Harry won’t get security? He’s still the son of the King.
Well, we all know that the blonde lady who was Charles’ first wife was completely forgotten after they took away her HRH.
Oh, wait …
So here’s where I get confused. When Diana’s hrh was taken, was she technically no longer a princess but people just kept calling her one. I think I’m confused again.
Diana was Diana, Princess of Wales. Or Princess Charles. Never Princess Diana. People called her Princess Diana the same as they now say “Princess Kate”. Neither is correct. The HRH doesn’t make a princess, only birth does. Born as child/grandchild of the monarch = blood princess or prince. Marrying in doesn’t make one a princess in her own right.
All this does it point to the actual need to end the Monarchy in Britain as it has far outlived any demonstrable utility except for all the cash rolling in to the hacks that are part of the British media’s hate industry
“The dramatic decision affected four of her grandchildren: Prince Nikolai, Prince Felix, Prince Henrik and Princess Athena. The children would still be able to use the titles of counts and countess of Monpezat, but would be addressed as ‘excellencies’ rather than ‘majesties’.”
Maureen Eden is an idiot. (1) He’s STILL calling the Danish children “Prince” and “Princess” in his spiel. And (2) they were NEVER called “majesties” 😀 , but “royal highnesses”. Just goes to show that the royal experts are ignorant as heck. So much for his “research”. They had even been (quietly?) downgraded to just “highnesses” in the years preceding the downgrade to “Count” and “Countess”. And that’s got to sting because “Monpezat” was pretty much a “made-up”/shady title that Margrethe’s status-obsessed husband clung to before and after he married her. Letting the kids be known as Rosenberg would have been less insulting.
But yes, the royal stenographers, no doubt guided by William’s minions, keep sending up several trial balloons a year to see which ones will land best among the masses. Meanwhile, their targets just keep sailing on with their lives, and continue to pay them dust.
Charles clearly doesn’t want to do it It could be his last act on earth, and his mum would be furious. Leave him alone, let William do his own dirty work.
So if Harry and Meghan and their children can be stripped of their titles because Harry is a spare, can the same be done to Charlotte and Louis after George has children? The ‘law’- male preference primogeniture – has already been changed so that Charlotte is now in the line of succession after George. If Will sets a precedent for removing the spare’s titles, it could easily backfire on his children.