Mel Gibson threatened Oksana with a gun (update: audio released)

404281 07: Actor Mel Gibson addresses the media at a press conference for the Australian launch of his new movie 'We Were Soldiers' April 22, 2002 in Sydney Australia. (Photo by Chris McGrath /Getty Images)

Well, that was the shortest “investigation” ever I think. It was just yesterday that Radar reported that the LA County Sheriff’s Department was investigating Oksana Grigorieva’s claims (and her evidence) that Mel had physically abused her. According to TMZ, the Sheriff’s Dept has already turned over the findings from their investigation over to the LA District Attorney’s office, and the DA will now have to decide whether Mel should be prosecuted for domestic violence, child endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon. A deadly weapon, you say? Yes, according to TMZ, Oksana has told people that Mel threatened her with a gun.

Oksana Grigorieva told Sheriff’s deputies Mel Gibson threatened her with a gun … TMZ has learned TMZ broke the story … the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department is investigating Mel for alleged domestic battery, assault with a deadly weapon and child endangerment.

— Domestic Violence: Oksana told Sheriff’s deputies Mel punched her in the face twice, knocking out a tooth and chipping another one. Mel — through his lawyers — has denied it.

— Assault with a Deadly Weapon: Sources tell TMZ Oksana told deputies Mel threatened her with a handgun at his Malibu estate. Sources say the allegation is solely based on Oksana’s word.

— Child Endangerment: We’re told Oksana claims on January 6 of this year Mel allegedly punched her while she was holding their baby.

As TMZ first reported, Mel’s lawyers will present evidence to Sheriff’s deputies that Oksana made up some of the stories and tried to extort him by demanding cash in return for the secretly-recorded tapes.

We’re told the Sheriff’s Department will present the case to the L.A. County D.A.’s office for felony review … probably in 2 weeks.

[From TMZ]

Meanwhile, TMZ is also claiming that Mel’s lawyers are making a move to discredit Oksana’s claims, at least partially. Mel’s lawyers are pushing the Sheriff’s Dept. to open an investigation against Oksana, for “extortion”. Ha!

TMZ has learned … Mel Gibson’s lawyers will meet with the Sheriff’s Department and not only present evidence that Mel is innocent of any crime against Oksana Grigorieva … but that she committed the crime of extortion.

TMZ broke the story … Mel’s lawyers will make “a presentation” of evidence to the Sheriff’s Department that is investigating Mel for domestic violence, child endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon — the presentation, we’re told, will focus on evidence of Mel’s innocence.

We’re told in the presentation, the lawyers will also present evidence that Oksana allegedly tried to extort Mel by telling him she would sell him the tapes she secretly recorded during their nuclear arguments.

We’re also told Mel’s lawyers will present evidence that Oksana lied to Sheriff’s deputies by knowingly making numerous false statements.

Our sources say … during the presentation, Mel’s lawyers will formally ask the Sheriff’s Department to open a criminal investigation against Oksana, focusing on alleged extortion and making false statements to law enforcement — both felonies.

[From TMZ]

A “presentation”. Ri-iight. Did you notice how carefully it was worded? Like, “Sure, Mel did and said all of the crazy sh-t Oksana claims, but she originally wanted money and now he’s mad because he should have just paid her WAAAAHHH!” The false statements part is interesting though – I wonder if they truly caught Oksana in some big lies – that would be a rookie move, especially considering she already had extensive dirt on Mel, and I doubt it. More likely they caught her in some technicalities, like, Mel beat her on January 25th, not the 26th, something like that. Whatever.

UPDATE: JESUS CHRIST. Radar released part of the audio of Mel’s racist, horrible, disgusting rant. We can’t put the NSFW audio here, but you can listen to it here. It is… INTENSE. He is a horrible man.

UPDATE #2: Okay, I’m not sure if this audio is going to work, but Dlisted has it too. BEWARE. This tape is seriously NSFW.

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA - APRIL 1984:  Actor Mel Gibson at the 'Nimrod Theatre' press conference at the Sebel Townshouse Hotel, April 1984 in Sydney, Australia (Photo by Patrick Riviere/Getty Images)

34909, NEW YORK, NEW YORK - Wednesday October 14, 2009. Mel Gibson and his pregnant 39 year old girlfriend Oksana Grigorieva leave Balthazar restaurant in SoHo Photograph: Hector Vallenilla, PacificCoastNews.com

LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 26: Actor Mel Gibson (R) and Oksana Grigorieva arrive at the premiere Of Warner Bros. 'The Edge Of Darkness' held at Grauman's Chinese Theatre on January 26, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)

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  1. Jeri says:

    Mel was once one of the handsomest guys on the planet. Karma has definitely taken him down, lookswise & reputation.

  2. viper says:

    Maybe he has a behavior disorder or going through early form of dimenia?

  3. Lenore says:

    God, look how adorable he used to be.

  4. TQB says:

    is that HIM in that first picture??? OH MY GOD and people get all over women for aging badly. I absolutely forgot why I ever liked him. Wow. He should be a “Don’t drink & smoke, kids” ad.

  5. Jen Wind says:

    Man he was hot when he was younger…what happened to that Mel…I want that Mel back!!

  6. Crash2GO2 says:

    How in the world could the investigation possibly be over already??

    I don’t get it.

  7. LolaBella says:

    Is that really him in that first pic?? Yikes.

    As more of these allegations come out it just makes me wonder what sort of things he subjected Robyn to during their 25 years of marriage. *Shudder*

  8. Bill Hicks is God says:

    You know, that Gibson episode of South Park is taking on more of a documentary flavour all the time…

  9. gen says:

    How did he get so unattractive?!?!

  10. Linda says:

    He is loonier than a jaybird!

  11. Eden says:

    I forgot that he ever looked that great, he really was adorable.
    @TQB, he totally should be a PSA…It’s amazing what a diet of booze, cigarettes and hate will do to a face.

  12. meme says:

    my god WTF has happened to Mad Max???? Mel was GORGEOUS back in the day. Now he’s fucking crazier than Britney, Courtney and that Tequila chick combined.

  13. Victoria says:

    Damn that man was so HOT!

  14. tooey says:

    @Victoria, you took my exact words! Lordy….

  15. LolaBella says:

    HOLY SHIT!!!

    Reading transcripts of the alleged conversations is one thing, but to actually HEAR him say these things to the mother of his child is really SHOCKING!

    The anger and rage that he is displaying while talking to her is fucking scary. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to be face to face with him when he is that angry.

  16. jen says:

    I love how she’s just as calm as a cucumber knowing she is taping him-lol.

  17. sonola trip says:

    In all fairness, there’s an earlier tmz story from yesterday saying that it was law enforcement that suspected Oksana of extortion and false allegations. That may be why they concluded their investigation so fast and why Mel felt encouraged to go forward with these charges today. It puts the story in a somewhat different perspective when the Sheriff’s dept smells something wrong with Oksana’s various stories, not just Mel.

  18. Dena says:

    You know . . . I do not excuse Mel Gibson for the pack of n*ggers bs, the Jew bs, the cunt/whore bs (but I gotta to admit the “but you’re going to blow me first” is kinda of funny in a Clint Eastwood — make my kind of way) and what’s up with the “those clothes are so tight that people can see your p*ssy from the back” comment.

    Anyway . . . after hearing the tape, I feel sort of sad for him. I’m not swayed but I feel sad. From his tone, it is obvious (don’t think about the words just his tone) that he is threw, frustrated, is wondering “WTF happened here”, and wants out.

    She should have started her allegations earlier and should have started her exit strategy earlier. I’m not being sarcastic when I say exit strategy. Come on . . . as women, we know when we are going to leave them. We know it. I say that because that one audio tape sounds “canned” to me. It almost “feels” like she left it to late. The audio tape feels like an “afterthought” on her part.

  19. Pix says:

    So much anger. Scary. He is not a good man. No matter what happened between them there is no excuse for him to speak to another person like this. Then to think he actually hit her…He is sick. I wonder what happened to him.

  20. TaylorB says:

    I wonder what the people who attend his ‘church’ think about this. I for one would be sick to my soul if my church ‘leader’ was such an abusive, racist, misogynistic, bigoted, a$$hole. I hope his first wife gets 80% of his money and the new kid gets the rest.

    Mel, take a trip to Germany/Poland and visit the camps and really learn about the Holocaust, go to a battered womens shelter and meet the survivors of abuse, then get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness. Just because you built an expensive place of worship for your interpretation of g*d, do you think g*d (she/he) isn’t still watching you and your actions? No true g*d, in any faith, respects an abusive bigot and a liar.

  21. Shannon says:

    Sickening, Mel Gibson has serious anger and violence issues, and issues with women. He has told her that she deserves to be raped because of the clothing she wears, that’s really disgusting. I believe he’d beat up a woman just because of that – normal men who aren’t misogynists don’t SAY things like that. Abusive men DO.

  22. Iggles says:

    Oh. My. Gosh!!!!

    He’s such an a**hole!! Clearly he has anger issues. He is beyond scary!!

    His career is over. If the rest of the allegations are true, then I hope he goes to jail. What a psychopath!

  23. the other mel says:

    Wow. I have no words. It’s sickening.

  24. Kate says:

    I don’t care how skanky and vile she is… she does not deserve those words.

    And if it’s not bad enough that he speaks to the mother of his child that way, he proceeds to insult an entire race. How very immoral of him. His words are even more disgusting when one hears them.

    Real men do not talk this way, to a woman, to anyone, no matter how mad they get. They just don’t.

    I grew up with real men in my life (my father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, friends) and I have a real man in my life as my boyfriend… and none of them would ever speak in this manner.

    People may attempt to defend him because of Oksana’s behavior (and she is a disgusting person as well), but his words are truly beyond defending. I question the values (and sanity) of those who defend these words.

    He is truly morally bankrupt.

  25. Eden says:

    Is it just me or did he sound like he was acting in that tape?
    He sounds over dramatized or false somehow.
    I can’t put my finger on it..his words are horrible and hateful of course but also weird in the tone for some reason that I can’t identify…

  26. original kate says:

    he sounds really tweaked out on that tape. what a freakshow.

  27. Cindy says:

    I’m not really surprised or shocked that he’s such a misogynist,he sounds angry on these tapes and she sounds so cool calm and collected knowing pay day will be arriving soon. “Stay in the fucking house, I’m not giving it to you but you can stay there and I will take care of my child” looks like she’s going to get the house after all. Well played Oksana.

  28. Sincerity says:

    I listened to the tape. I really didn’t find the tone of Mel Gibson’s conversation at all shocking. He sounds like a man who’s at the end of his rope with a person he never really loved in the first place. It seems as if his obvious disgust with Oksana did not just occur overnight. What’s interesting is that he clearly said that he would provide for his child. He certainly wasn’t interested in deeding any property over to Oksana, that’s for sure. Frankly, I’ve heard worse. Some of the exchanges that I have witnessed between a man and a woman have been far worse than this. None of us know about all of the incidents that transpired between these two which caused their relationship to sour. Realistically, it’s always difficult for a new lover to compete with the memories of a “long term” spouse. She clearly never measured up to his expectations and his rejection must have hurt like hell.

  29. mommy says:

    I bet his ex wife is sitting back and thinking…YEAH keep showing the crazy!!

  30. a lady who is married says:

    i am not taking up for him but me and my husband say way worse stuff and madder and louder voice

  31. MissyA says:

    Can’t bring myself to listen to that abusive audio. I just wanted to say that you could have photographic evidence of Oksana drinking the blood of kittens, and I still would take her side over Gibson.

  32. sonola trip says:

    Again, in all fairness …

    I’m not defending what Mel says on the tape. It makes me ill. But we can’t just pretend this was a “real” snapshot of these two fighting. One person knew they were being taped, the other didn’t. So Oksana is going to deliberately watch her language and present herself in the best, most politically correct way possible. She’s going to watch every word she says. Mel doesn’t know he’s being taped so he’s just going to let fly.

    For all we know, Oksana says things just as despicable and hate-filled back at Mel when the tape recorder isn’t on.

    Again not defending Mel’s choice of words. No defence possible. No excuse. It turns my stomach. But there is a danger here of assuming this is exactly how fights between Mel and Oksana always go. That Mel is the angry bully and she’s the (very) calm, cool, and sensible one. Let’s hear these two when neither know they’re being taped and see what Oksana says then. Does she spew language back just as hate-filled and angry? We don’t know.

    I know couples who spew absolute bile at each other during fights. It’s sad and disgusting to listen to, but there are no victims in the sense that they verbally abuse each other. All you can do is shake your head and be glad you don’t live like that.

    If Mel has been violent with Oksana then I hope for serious criminal charges against him. But just examining these tapes for verbal abuse, with one party knowing full well they were being taped, we have no idea if the verbal onslaught and threats went both ways or not.

  33. Frieda says:

    Hahaha, love ya Mel for telling her like it is! I am actually relieved he felt that way because everyone else sure did. Anyway: Awesome! It wasn’t nearly as bad as the family fights I’ve witnessed. If this is “terrorist” they’re going to have to lock up half the world. I hope the Ox has something stronger than that because it’s a joke. He was clearly upset but not raging, just emotionally exhausted sounding. I’m sure he regrets the N word but it was said for EFFECT knowing it would get to her since she likely hates blacks. He definitely doesn’t hate them. Good on ya, Mel!

  34. YeahTOAST says:

    Damn that green thing!!!!

  35. CA says:

    Some of these comments are absolutely disgusting…if you and your partner or your family has arguments like this then I strongly recommend a therapist…Mel Gibsons words are inexcusable and the the fact that so many of you are accustomed to hearing this type of hatred really breaks my heart

  36. Bullett says:

    sociopathic mel…. I hope that without any further attention or press, he just disappears for an eternity.

    I had met him on a few occasions when during an extended period of time he was clean and sober. He wasn’t a bad guy when he avoided self-medication. He had charm, good looks, and celebrity. Clearly, once he fell off the wagon years ago he never was able to get back on, because these are the rantings of an abusive, ugly drunk. The sort of drunk that only finds meaning through the act of hurting those around him. I really, really hope he just goes away….. maybe to some little dank bar somewhere in Melbourne where he can spend the rest of his days staring glassily eyed into the mirror and telling himself he used to be Mel Gibson.

  37. Bee says:

    I cannot believe the way some people are going out of their way to defend this racist, woman hating, psycho. The constant excuses for this scumbag are unbelievable. “Oksana’s a goldigger. She set him up. He doesn’t really hate black people, he was just using the N word for effect.” Are you people serious? Now that we’ve heard the tape there is no denying the allegations. This man is sick. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIS BEHAVIOR!

  38. sassenach says:

    I am very disturbed and disgusted by the comments from the women who posted.

  39. OC lady says:

    Damn, I feel physically ill. I guess I’m lucky because I’ve never EVER heard anyone talk to someone like that. Oh sure, I had a hot-headed neighbor who called his wife a moron when she accidentally fell and dropped their toddler, but he was not like this. He went into apology mode after she became upset, and then they made up.

    But this is purely disgusting. His rant is the EPITOME of verbal abuse. I actually feel sick after listening to it–like I wish I can get my life back before I knew Mel Gibson existed.

    Get that money, Oksana! Mel deserves everything coming to him. I hope she cleans him out.

  40. viper says:

    This man needs to see a professional. His out burst was just random and good GOD this is just unacceptible. He sounded like a radical islamist or telban! WTH? I bet if he had his way he’d have her in the burka. What an insect of a man. I honestly think he’d be for stoning a woman to death now. I wont assume anything less or give chances this is just horrifying.

  41. Dizzy says:

    Back around 1984 Mel WAS the most beautiful man on earth. He has looked disgusting for years, his face reflects his personality now —like the picture of Dorian Grey

  42. oh hey says:

    “How did he get so unattractive?!?!”

    The ugly on the inside always seeps out…always.

  43. Lemon Drops says:

    Why did he date her if he’s racist? Just legit curious cause that makes no sense

  44. a lady who is married says:

    im not making exususes for him but this is the way people talk and act behing closed doors what i dont unsetrend is how people think just becuase someone is a celebrity theey are exscpected to act a diffrent way this is how life is we argue wwith are parners in way worst manner then this and louder voice and mor eobscee words are exchanged then you make up and thats it all people argue and fight and curses i dont get why people seem to think when your famous your not allowed to be human please be honest and admit that all epople fight like this and worde behing closesd doors

  45. original kate says:

    to the women posters who say the men in their lives regularly speak/act this way (or worse) and it’s no big deal: just so you know, this is not the way intelligent, thoughtful, civilized, normal people behave; it isn’t even close.

    you really should get out more.

  46. Barbie says:

    big sigh

    Some of the comments here are pathetic. You all must come from a place where ignorance is the norm. If this is how you communicate with a loved one, family, lover, children, then you seriously need to get help. Calling someone names and threatening them doesn’t solve anything, in fact, it only creates chaos.

    Oskana knows she’s being taped, yet look how he treated her anyway. She didn’t provoke him, yet he goes on and on with his rage. He probably knocked out her teeth because she tried to stand up for herself. Easier ways to handle gold diggers – he’s rich enough, why even bother to yell at her?? He yelled at her because most people like that have to make themselves feel better by doing so. I shutter to think of his childhood, what his father must have been like toward his mother – ugh.

  47. Shy says:

    Amazing two morons. I don’t even care who wins.

    And yet… Yes – she set him up. She is a disgusting gold digger…. But there is absolutely no excuse for his behavior. And when she told he hit her I didn’t believe her. But after listening to this – of course he did. I even scared of him while listening it on tape. I can’t imagine how it was to stand in front of him. Face to face. When he is in that mood. And I suspect that this is his regular mood. He probably is one of those abusers/beaters who beat their wife… then apologize, kissing, happy couple… then beats her up again…. then apologize….

    Woman who say men threat them like that and talk like that behind closed door… It’s not normal. Regular people don’t act and talk like that. It’s sick. If anyone would talk to me like that i would leave the same second and never look back. How low selfrespect you need to tolerate this? And you know why they treat you like trash? It’s because you are letting them. Don’t. Just leave and find a real men.

    I actually don’t care about his racist remarks. Now THAT is what people talk like behind close doors. They may not like gays or people of other races and at home, behind close doors they usually talk like that when they are angry. But his abusive behavior is just scary. And i just don’t understand. If he hated her so much why didn’t he left her? Why bothering with all those rage? Couldn’t he go and find another woman? Oksana was probably the one that left. When she recorded all her tapes and went for her money to court.

  48. Kiska says:

    It is sad that ANYONE would condone his behaviour. This in not okay and Mel should have to pay some sort of consequence for his abuse. This is sickening stuff.

  49. bizzy says:

    i think, possibly, the thing that some people don’t understand … mel isn’t yelling or spitting or whatever and people say he’s ’emotionally exhausted’ and whatever …

    for a hardcore abuser, this isn’t a fight, this is a conversation. my father talked to us like this *all the time*. it was his normal use of language. he couldn’t go five minutes without referring to rape, c-words, n-words … habitual abusers just live at that level of venom.

    ps. yes, this kind of language is all too common between partners, but y’know what? it just doesn’t have to be that way.

  50. viper says:

    @ lady who is married

    You lady are surrounded by SCUM.

  51. schanuzers!!! says:

    To those of you talking down to those who DO express themselves differently than ye civilized selves behind closed doors sounds hateful and not so civilized to me.
    Please don’t attack someone who posts on here about their lives because they don’t do things YOUR way.

    Everybody is different and has different ways of expressing his/herself.

    By the way, I didn’t listen to the tape. I don’t like Oksana in the least, and could care less what he said to her.

  52. Iris says:

    he is a vile, racist woman-hater who has a special spot in hell reserved for him. but she does not necessarily deserve to “clean him out.” his money should go to his ex-wife and children (including Oksana’s child), not to his abused mistress.

  53. Iris says:

    also, I can’t believe he’d throw the N-word around like that when he was friends with Danny Glover. or at least, they worked with him in all those movies. Mel has fallen so far down.

  54. viper says:

    If you didnt listen to the tape why are you posting a comment?

  55. Shy says:

    Well Iris – he probably didn’t mean all black people. There is different kind of racism. I don’t think he hates all black people. He meant those bands of bandits and gangs who walk around streets. I don’t think he goes and hates all the black doctors, layers, actors, musicians etc…

  56. a lady who is married says:

    my grandmother who is 84 years old hsa said the n word my whole life not all the time but she has said it

  57. Celebitchy says:

    I’m amazed that there are people who consider this ok or somehow normal. I’ve heard people get mad of course but I’ve never heard such awful demeaning and frankly creative nasty things. What bothers me is how calm he sounds when he says these terrible things! Who talks like that?I guess Mel does and I hope his career is over. Yes oksana had money as her main motivation and sure she may have said awful things off tape too. It doesn’t matter. This is unacceptable.

  58. viper says:

    Yeah my grandmother is 93 and used to beat me with her heels/anything she could find and prick my hands with needles and once poured hot tea over me then hit me with the pot. Should I accept that as a norm and practice that ‘tradition’ upon children?

  59. viper says:

    Here here Celebitchy!

  60. Been there says:

    That tone of voice is exactly how that kind of rant is delivered by any abusive man – that sort of smug, “You deserve worse but I’m holding back,” creepy, seething, cold tone. Any woman who has been in an abusive relationship has heard that tone of voice. Condescending, still asking her to agree with him, “OK? OK?” A guy who will say something like this has always had it in him, and something as simple as forgetting to turn off the bathroom light can trigger an outburst. He may be at the end of his rope, but he has no conception of a rope. It’s a slow, methodical tear-down of the woman involved. OK? OK?

  61. celeducat'em says:

    for commentors that think those of us that are shocked by this are being smug and judgmental as they simply “express” themselves differently and align with mel’s behavior– you are in dire need of therapy. this is not a question of communication style when people speak and act like this, but severe emotional problems that cause serious pain and injury all around. i hope those that find this natural and acceptable do NOT have children!

  62. Katija says:

    You know, I don’t mean to play the ethnicity card, but I see a lot of comments saying, “I don’t like Oksana, but…” or “Even if Oksana is a skank…”

    What exactly did this woman do to deserve everyone’s vitriol? I REALLY don’t want to play the ethnicity card, because I think the majority of people have absolutely no beef with Russians, but could all of this hatred be because people have a certain perception of the typical gold-digging, cold, tacky/slutty female Russian stereotype? Oksana did nothing to offend anyone, and everyone is so hard on her. I think if she were an American you all would go a lot easier on her.

    Again, I’m not trying to rile anyone up, and I could be 100% wrong. But I find it very odd that people seem to have such a huge problem with her, and I know how a lot of folks perceive Russian girls.

    Just my two cents. Disregard if necessary. 😛

  63. Maritza says:

    What shocks me is how on earth did he last so long with his first wife and raise 7 kids with her. Was he always like that at home? Now that would be a book I’d like to read if ever his ex-wife writes one.

  64. Bodhi says:

    I can’t bring myself to listen to it. If its half as bad as the transcripts, I want no part of it. I was in a horribly abusive relationship & I’ve no need to relive any second of it, but from what I’ve read, it sounds exactly like the vile, soul killing shit my ex put me through. Yeah, she knew there was a recorder on & I think it was brilliant of her to stash it & catch him in full form.

    The people who pooh pooh his behavior baffle me. NO-ONE EVER deserves treatment like that. NO-ONE. EVER.

  65. @ Been There, exactly. After reading the quotes I had expected Mel to be yelling at the top of his lungs, but this tone feels far worse and too familiar.

  66. original kate says:

    @ schnauzers: if you think using a racial epithet like the N-word is acceptable and “civilized” then i’m sure you’d be comfortable walking into a room full of black people and using that term, loudly and to their faces, because it’s just a different way of expressing yourself, right?

  67. sonola trip says:

    I don’t see this as all or nothing. He is a villain OR she is a villain. We could have two villains here which doesn’t mean either one is justified in any way. It’s seems it is only acceptable for you to choose a person to “side” with, and if you don’t choose a side, other posters assume you’re on Mel’s side and start waging their judgments against you.

    I don’t find what Mel said natural or acceptable. I never defended him. I chose my words very carefully and condemned what he said. My only point was we may have two jerks in this situation not one. We may have two people verbally abusing each other, which is not to say that makes it alright for EITHER ONE to do it. Read my post, I was very careful with my language.

    Physical abuse is another story altogether AS I WROTE. He should go to jail if that’s the case. But in terms of the verbal abuse they may be both guilty of it, we don’t know that. And that does NOT mean I’m saying it’s okay for him to do it under ANY circumstances. This isn’t all or nothing. “Oh you don’t think she’s innocent in this so you MUST think it’s okay for him to verbally abuse her”. That’s nonsense and NOT what I wrote.

    It’s wrong if Mel does it, wrong if Oksana does it, wrong if they both do it. But this notion that she should get all his money SOLELY on evidence of his verbal abuse is wrong at this point because we have no idea if she was doing it to. If they were both spewing hate at each other, no one should get anyone’s money. If she didn’t participate and was solely a victim of his verbal hate then yes, I believe compensation is warranted. But we don’t know that is the case yet.

  68. MSat says:

    I wish I could sit here and say that I’ve never been spoken to by a man in that way, but my ex husband used to say things like this to me -and much worse- on a regular basis. That’s one of the many reasons he is now my ex.

    I hope Oksana is really truly done with him now because it would be dangerous for her to go back to him after releasing that recording. He sounded angry enough to kill someone there.

  69. Mikunda says:

    Guy’s seriously unhappy – a fit of jealousy and frustration or something like that. A cry for help

  70. Therethere says:

    “I hate you and everything about you, but now I’m going to tell you what to wear, and to get your fake tits taken out and to not leave the house and …”

    This is classic abusive behaviour! He is still trying to control her, verbally belittling her to get her to do what he wants!

    And Oksana can’t win with you guys – if she’s calm, it’s b/c she’s a golddigger who was setting him up, but if she was yelling and screaming, she’d be “provoking” him. Wake up! He’s abusive, even if he’s not screaming, the way he is talking to her is so controlling!

  71. Crash2GO2 says:

    @ a lady who is married: I had a friend like you once – she had never experienced anything but nastiness and gut wrenching name calling, so she assumed all the rest of us were lying when we told her something wasn’t right in her relationship. She finally got out of that one and she knows better now. I hope the same happens for you, although if your grandma has been calling people the ‘N’ word for years, it sounds like your way of relating is family owned and operated. It’s never too late though…

  72. CathyT says:

    I listened to the tape. I don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t this. He wasn’t drunk. He was mean and personal, but he wasn’t threatening. They had already broken up, and he sounded hurt, jealous, and angry. Oksana was clinically calm.

    “I don’t believe you anymore. I don’t trust you. I don’t love you. I don’t want you. Stay in the f-ing house. I’m not giving it to you but I’ll let you stay there, okay. I will take care of my child but I don’t want you anymore.”

    Having recorded this conversation, Oksana should never have released it. This is just too personal. Mel isn’t the only one who comes off bad here. Mel is paranoid, but he was right not to trust the woman who was secretly recording him.

    This tape makes me feel depressed and sad, not angry.

  73. OC lady says:

    @sonola. While I agree we don’t know the whole story yet, or what Oksana is like . . . however, last I checked, baiting someone or being a gold-digger is not a crime. If it were, then half of Hollywood can be carted off to jail (everyone at the Playboy mansion, Kendra, Khloe Kardashian, Dina Lohan, Candy Spelling, Dean McVomit, etc). What Mel has allegedly done (verbally threatening her, physically abusing her, etc) is criminal. So, you can’t say they are equal baddies.

    Since we don’t know Oksana, we have no idea what she thought she was getting into? Perhaps, she didn’t know he was abusive? She might have been surprised. We all knew that Mel was a loud mouth, racist. But the violence part is fairly new? Who knows?

    Sure, Oksana is not admirable, but that doesn’t give anyone the justification to abuse her or find that behavior acceptable. Nor, is it ok for people to say, “well, she’s a gold-digger, so Mel was trapped,” painting him as the victim. I’m pretty sure there is a LONG history of abuse from Mel. Another mistress recently came out and talked about his abusive behavior, too. I’m sure much more will come out.

    And, regardless of her motives, she deserves money. Maybe, not “clean him out” (which I think would be karma), but certainly enough to take care of the child and pay for her therapy (and career advice–being a gold digger is no way to make a living). Also, just because her motives are suspect, it doesn’t mean that those words didn’t hurt her. She’s not a robot.

  74. Statler says:

    Sounds almost like he’s getting off on this around the 1:20 mark, doesn’t it?

    I think he really is- it’s immediately followed by that whole ‘I don’t want you’ tirade, as guilt and regret kick in. (Sorry to everyone for inducing nausea. Completely selfish of me, I know, I just didn’t want to suffer alone.)

  75. sonola trip says:

    @ OC lady

    You completely missed my point. I didn’t say anything about Oksana simply baiting Mel in an argument, nor did I say anything about her being a gold digger and that somehow this makes Mel’s behaviour permissible. I wrote no such thing.

    I said IF Oksana engaged in the same form of hate-filled tirades and verbal abuse as Mel did, if she engaged in the SAME behaviour as him then she doesn’t deserve compensation. As I stated and you stated, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED during their fights. These tapes are a false representation of her behaviour as she knew she was being taped, so likely chose her words very carefully.

    I’m speaking to the issue that angry, hate-filled rants and threats could have gone both ways. I’m speaking about verbal abuse, not those other issues you mentioned. If Oksana wants compensation specifically for verbal abuse then it’s relevant whether she was doing it, as well.

    ONCE AGAIN that is not to say Mel was in the right to speak that way to anyone for any reason, it’s just she can’t claim to be a victim of abuse in need of financial damages if she was doing it too. These tapes do not give us that answer one way or the other.

    The possibility of physical abuse is a completely different matter entirely. If he struck her, I don’t care what else she did, he needs to go to jail.

  76. a lady who is married says:

    ear racists coments or people just dont want to admit that people they know say racist comments

    i can think of all kids of people who have made racist comments about all diffrent races some people i know and strangers like this one job i had at a day care the ladys like

    and be very careful with the black people becuase you know you can never tell them apart on their id because when they take id pictures they all look the same

    she didint say —– but it made me feel uneasy even people i know in my own family make racits comments about our own race .

    and back to my grandma my brother said what if i married a black woman who was educated and my gandma said

    i dont care how educated she is she still a —– she got really mad becuase my brother kept sayin diffrent senarios

    she said her mother was worse then her because she never had any —— in her neighborhood she said her mother fainted once because a distant cousin had an interracial relationship and i can think of all difffrent associates who i directly and indirectly whp have made racial “jokes” so my question is is this all around are just certaiin people who hear all kinds of making small and large racial comments

    i remmeber after i went to rants and raves in houston texas i never saw people the same again i judt didint relize how much racism there was

  77. Debbie says:

    And after hearing the tape or part of it Does it not strike anyone just how clam she is?

    Lets be honest here if that was you being spoken to like that I’m sure you would be yelling some kind of obscene stuff back, Just saying she seems far to calm on the tapes as it she’s rehearsed.

    I’m just saying who know tapes can be tampered with, I wouldn’t put it past her to say something just as bad and then have a friend or edit the tapes.

    No doubt if the so called sheriffs Dept has closed there case either means to obvious things.
    Doesn’t it?.

    I still find id hard to believe anyone would/could sit down and work out over a 6 month period a 50/50/ custody agreement to whom she was happy with and then this.
    As I said on many occasions I know I sound like a broken record BUT IF an assault did actually happen It should of been dealt with in Jan at the time. It goes to show how unstable she is as well IF she did not go to the appropriate people at the time to protect Lucia an innocent child.

    As I said earlier Mel has a mouth we all know that We need more evidence, Like the supposed pic’s If they exist.

    Mind you they can be doctored up as well.
    I think I am on the understanding that people who with hold this information from The police can’t they face charges and be dismissed? I’m talking about the professional Doctors and Dentists, can someone please enlighten me on this.

    Any way I I’ll go so far to say this you can bet you bottom $ there will be another alleged story out of Mel tomorrow and the next day……
    Debbie

  78. CB Rawks says:

    “please be honest and admit that all epople fight like this and worde behing closesd doors”

    @Married lady, No, they don’t. I’ve been married for twenty years and we do not talk to each other like that.
    Also my parents never behaved like that either.
    You don’t have to accept awful things like that in your life.

  79. Orbit says:

    Her releasing the tapes is primarily vindictive. The tapes hurt his career and make him less wealthy, which affect what he can pay her and what their child might inherit.

    Even if the tapes are admissible in any child custody or child support hearing–which is doubtful–the worst they’d do is mean he might have to share custody. (He’s not going to lose custody based on the N-word or anything similar.) So she’s going to ruin his career further and keep him away from their kid (which hurts the kid most) just so she can get more child support?

    I hope she didn’t record the tapes in CA. If so, she’s going to jail. (A few states allow nonconsensual recordings.)

  80. Debbie says:

    Just read some more interesting info A retired FBI specialist said It would be hard for The DA’s office to prove abuse as she has waited far too long,

    He said due to experience in cases similar the complaint should have been done asap. And another thing he said Mel being taped without his knowledge, In California law The tapes CAN NOT Be used in court of law.

    So the plot thickens

    Debbie

  81. linda k says:

    whoever his doctor is, needs to get a hold of him and make him take his meds, or change his meds…i remember the 2006 incident where robyn felt the family had been embarassed too much by it, he felt that it didn’t…..this is really a bad mess….he is so out of balance,,,,,how he didn’t know her boobs were fake is beyond me….she always has dressed the same way, now he is upset? if robyn thought the 2006 incident was an embarassment, this is ten times worse, i’m sure mel talked like this at home, the family knew he cheated, the big question is, has his bi polar gotten worse, or what…

  82. Frieda says:

    Please don’t assume things. *We* don’t fight like this in our home but plenty of others do. Some people are more hot tempered than others and Irish are known for quick tempers. I admire his fire!

    Honestly, nothing he could say in private is our business and you have no right to judge him as if you are God. You sound so offended but have you seen almost ANY movie over a G rating? It’s worse than this and I find it objectionable because it isn’t private! This was an intimate, painful conversation, and foul language is the norm for many, especially when angered. Oksana used it, too, but that was removed from ROL’s transcript, as well as the part where he says he’ll care for his child. She KNEW she was recording but she sure didn’t sound scared or even sad. She wasn’t scared at all: she is the apex predator, he was just figuring out that he had been her prey. And who wouldn’t be in defense mode for himself and his baby that she nearly KILLED at this point? Funny how his detractors forget that little detail.

    America is supposed to allow for different strokes for different folks (Yes, from Puritans to the avant guarde and we CAN all get along if you’ll try the tolerance you preach about. America is supposed to allow real freedom of speech and privacy yet you people are condoning secretly recording a person and destroying their name with it, even against a court order. Most of Hollywood talks just like this so get real. Do I like it? No so I do not speak this way in MY home but this kind of garbage doesn’t happen to us! Main point is that it isn’t illegal to get upset. He didn’t hit her, he only prevented her from killing the baby. If he hit her she would be PULVERIZED!

  83. Sincerity says:

    @Sonola Trip, Schanuzers & A Lady Who is Married

    I understand where you’re coming from 100 percent. Everyone’s experiences with relationships are different, period. None of us knows everything that “went down between these two” and Oksana is secretly taping private conversations without Mel Gibson’s knowledge and making sure that she “does not incriminate herself” in the process. In time, we’ll certainly know much more about her actual motives and neither has the actual content on her tapes been completely authenticated.

    Furthermore, if anyone should be offended by the “N-word”, it should be me, because I’m an African American but I’m not “so naive” as to believe that all non African Americans really like us. In fact, many African Americans still use the “N-word” in casual conversations. Do I approve of it, no I don’t, but to each his own! Realistically, we’ve all said and done things behind closed doors that we have regretted. I don’t believe in bashing people for saying things in the privacy of their own homes that was never meant to be publicized in the first place. If so, a good many of us wouldn’t be talking to one another.

  84. moocowhead says:

    oh
    my
    god.

    How do people turn out like that??????
    It’s inconceivable to me.

    To anyone who finds this normal: It’s one thing to argue in that tone of voice, but the content of what he said is inexcusable and by no means just a fact of life.

  85. KLaw says:

    @ Been There and @ Bodhi

    Yes. You said it. I am sad that so many of us have been there, but I am happy we are not there anymore.

    I am also saddened by the apologists and others who think that kind of disrespectful and hurtful behavior is “normal.” OMG. Humans are no more civilized than animals… in fact, we can be so much worse… 🙁

  86. Environ says:

    I am also “a lady who is married” and Mel’s behavior is not how rational, intelligent, civilized people act. It is not normal. It is not acceptable. It is not understandable.

    If this is how you deal with people “behind closed doors” then your life is seriously f*cked up.

    There is no excuse for this. This is not Christian. This is not what Jesus would say or do. The words spewing out of Mel’s mouth are the definition of evil and hate, if you agree with them or sympathize with him, you need to take a good look in the mirror.

  87. Ally says:

    If your spouse ever talks to you like this, you should leave them. Being married is being family; it’s about emotional support. It is not about destroying a person verbally, hitting them, and wishing them ill. And add several counts of racism to that, and the guy should seriously be voted off the island.

    He was attracted to her, he cheated on his wife with her, his wife left him, and his conscience/the consequences finally made him regret his infidelity; so now what attracted him (her Mary Magdalene qualities, shall we say) now repel him and he wants her to be a different kind of woman entirely (like the wife he cheated on). Mother/whore complex anyone? He probably showers right after the deed too.

    There’s no excuse to talk to another human being like this, let alone a lover and co-parent.

  88. Richi says:

    Man!!! how handsome he used to be!!! look at those gorgeous eyes! too bad what he has turned out to be!I like Mel,he is so talented. Was his personal life messed up like this even before? I wonder!

  89. Shy says:

    And it all started some kind of like their regular conversation… He was telling her he dosn’t like her tits etc. And then, one minute later Mel managed to get so mad and hysterical. It’s amazing. And most of the time she was silent or say word or too in the most calm way you can imagine. So Mel has become so hysterical by himself.

    I wonder what his ex-wife thinks about it. He probably has behaved like this with her too. Oksana couldn’t stand this for long. But his ex-wife had to stand it for years. And his children…

    As much as i hated Oksana before and i still because she is a gold digger… but she deserved a standing ovation for recording Mel and show the world how horrible person he is. I want to hear another tapes. It’s like with Christian Bale – i bet we will heard a remixes on Youtube any second.

    And this will be another lesson for all those stars. Now every time they will cheat they will have to afraid that the mistress will go public and record their conversations or sleeping. If you want to sleep around then don’t marry. Be single and enjoy all the ladies. If you are married then don’t cheat or get divorce. And now when celebrity will loose temper behind close doors he have to think that his wife/girlfriend may be recording him.

  90. viper says:

    @married lady

    ALL people? What an outlandish generalization. You haven’t aquainted yourself with every individual on the planet to ASSUME that. I have memebers of my own family who are married and think the word ‘rascal’ is a derogatory term. So They wouldnt even think of having the rest of the terms used. And as you can plainly see here there are couples who know what HONOURING your spouse means. It’s not just being loyal it’s the ability to resolve/tackle and debate issues without falling short and disrespecting yourself and the persons you claim to love and adore. I feel so sorry for you if your surrounded by such ugliness and whats WORSE how easily you accept it as a norm.

  91. Shy says:

    I searched youtube. There are already two remixes. One with the music. And another one from trailer of Leathal Weapon. They put Oksana’s voice to Rene Russo. And Joe Pesci makes a cool cameo 🙂 I don’t know – can i pust youtube link here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT2rW6tsxbA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCY8Lhngws

  92. DrM says:

    Utterly and totally vile and disgusting. People who defend this man are beyond all reasonable thought. I hope he gets the book thrown at him…how exactly are they going to discredit her? I’d want money too if someone talked to me this way.

  93. Kate says:

    I’m sure divorce lawyers have heard worse. No matter who does it it is unacceptable on every level, but this is what happens when some relationships/marriages end bitterly, people get crazy, hateful and revengeful, of course it’s wrong on every level but that’s just the way some people are. Mel and Oksana remind me of Kim Bassinger and Alex Baldwin who to this day still hate on each other and even use their own daughter for revenge.

  94. canadianchick says:

    I’m sorry to hear about other women on here who’ve been subjected to this kind of abuse. I have also experienced this in my family and first marriage. So now my husband and I work really hard to keep it clean during fights as we don’t want to hurt each other or our child. Therapy can help, for those who think this is normal behaviour. Some of the debates on here have been hard to read last couple of days, but I think it’s revealed we have a ways to go in healing as women.For those who are still defending Mel’s behaviour, have a read on Gawker, there is an interesting run-down of Mel Gibson’s quotes of racism, homophobia as well as his verbal abuse to Oksana.

  95. katyalia says:

    The moment my man refers to my breasts as ‘tits’ he’s out of the door, that’s for sure.

    @ linda k.: ‘how he didn’t know her boobs were fake is beyond me…’ I thought the exact same!

    @ katija: ‘What exactly did this woman do to deserve everyone’s vitriol? I REALLY don’t want to play the ethnicity card, …’ I really don’t think that applies here. Personally I dislike her for the simple fact that she’s been photographed/rumored to be with Mel for 3 years, while he was married to his long suffering wife. The same dislike I have for Tori Spelling, LeAnn Rimes, Julia Roberts, etc. Her background really does not come into this.

    @ Frieda: I don’t judge him as if I was God, I judge him as a human being talking to his parenting partner. And as far as his racism, etc. goes, for all I care he could have written this in his diary. Once it’s out to the public, I’m judging him for it as it shows his state of mind.

  96. Dena says:

    “I don’t believe you anymore. I don’t trust you. I don’t love you. I don’t want you. Stay in the f-ing house. I’m not giving it to you but I’ll let you stay there, okay. I will take care of my child but I don’t want you anymore.”

    Here: I felt that he was disqusted with himself (but, of course, taking it out on her). I think he’s at the end of his rope too. I like that he said that he will take care of his child.

    Debbie wrote:

    Lets be honest here if that was you being spoken to like that I’m sure you would be yelling some kind of obscene stuff back, Just saying she seems far to calm on the tapes as it she’s rehearsed.

    I agree. Her seemingly passive acceptance of his abuse could also be provoking to him. That is not a defense of him. I just know when I want to argue and no one will oblige me that I get pissed off.

    I know I would have argued back and challenged a lot of the dumb *hit he said, #1 being the pack of n*gger bs. #2 my vegas/whore titties & tight clothes is what attracted you, blah, blah, blah . . .ending with, if you don’t like it, then leave.” But, then, I have never been financially dependant either. I have always worked and have always taken care of myself. I don’t know her situation.

    However, after reading what some of the women on the board have written, I have never been in an abusive/threatening relationship and I have never been afraid or intimidated in that way.

    Mel, give her some money (an adequate monthly amount–dont’ be stingy and don’t go over th top), so that she can be secure. Deed her a house. She and her kids have safey and security. Oksana, take the money, you have secured an income for the next 18+ years. Both of you: Move on. Mel get help. Oksana, go back to keeping low a profile. Do some charitable works. Now that you are in the public, recraft and recreate a more positive public image.

  97. Shay says:

    Whatever. But he sounds like he is provoked. Sure, it doesn’t justify the use of words, particularly when he is in the public eye (I can only imagine how embarrassing this is for his other children), so I wonder how stupid this man is to even talk like this.
    This recording sounds like a phone call.
    Oksana intentionally recorded it and released it.
    She did a Kim Basinger, although this recording is 1000 times worse than Alec Baldwin’s outburst.
    I’ve heard on tv news that the management/agency managing him has now abandoned him.
    There is no defence for Mel Gibson, but those who are hellbent on virtually lynching him, should also be aware that he isn’t the president of Aryan Nation or the KKK, both of which are still legal in the United States. So there are worse racists out there. Mel is just an unpleasant alcoholic. I’ve never met an alcoholic (current or former) who has a wonderful personality, and Oksana would have been aware of Mel’s racist views when she hooked up with him, so no, I don’t even feel sorry for her.
    They both deserve what they get: her, limited access to his funds, and him, the end of his career.

  98. anon33 says:

    I have experience on both sides of this debate.

    I was raised in a home where stuff like this went on. Not nearly as bad, but threats, yelling, throwing things, cursing, sure. I, too, thought it was “the way everyone was.” That thinking led me right into an abusive relationship which cost me almost ten years of my life.

    When my current partner and I began dating, our first fight resulted in me acting out the way I had been taught to: yelling, insulting, threatening, you name it. My BF (a strong, confident man with no baggage whatsoever, and not in any way overly sensitive) pretty much burst into tears and begged me to stop what I was doing, that he couldn’t take it.

    I didn’t understand what was going on at first, but then he was able to calm down and explain to me that: he had never been spoken to that way in his life, no one who he had ever been close with had ever said the kinds of things to him that I was saying, and the intensity of my yelling and throwing things had actually scared the crap out of him. (I’m 5’2, maybe 115.)

    Luckily for me, he stayed with me (he had every right not to) and helped me work through all of my problems and change the way I related to others. I empathize with some of the commenters here because I was in the same boat and originally thought “geez what a p8ssy this is how everyone is.” However, that just simply isn’t true. And if it is true in your life, I strongly urge you to get help. I did and my life has become better in almost every way because of it.

    Like someone else upthread said, you do not have to accept this behavior in your life. You will be better for it if you don’t.

  99. Shay says:

    On other recordings on the net, there is detail about her breastfeeding, with Mel Gibson being peeved about her stopping prematurely or something and attributing it to her having implants and not telling him.

  100. ann carter says:

    Shay..I agree. EVERYTHING he said was despicable. EVERYTHING he said was also said WHILE HE WAS CLEARLY D-R-U-N-K…while no one can defend or excuse what he said, he’s in the middle of a mid-life- whatever-waking up and realizing ANOTHER parasite has USED him..he’s mad and again… he’s DRUNK. How many of us could stand up to worldwide scrutiny because of the ridiculous things we have ALL said (not racist, anti-semetic or misogynistic) but RIDICULOUS and sometimes HURTFUL when we’ve had too many.

  101. Ellie says:

    just curious, but has he ever worked with the same actress twice? it would be interesting if these women could sniff out the true mel hiding behind a working facade.

  102. kaligula says:

    i don’t think her main motivation was money.

    her main motivation is clearly revenge.

    anyone whose ever been treated like that can’t help but seek a way to strike back. i’m sure there is stuff 100x worse than this that never got on tape, which motivated her to take this step of recording him.

    and, come on, she didn’t set him up, HE SET HIMSELF UP….

    peace and good wishes to all the women here who have revealed pasts in which they were the victims of similar abuses.

  103. CB Rawks says:

    @Anon33, that was just amazing. Huge respect to you for your openness and insightful words, and your awesome relationship.

  104. @ Ellie, yes. Jodie Foster and Rene Russo. (Perhaps others.)

    Other actresses he has once worked with are Julia Roberts, Goldie Hawn, Jamie Lee Curtis, Helen Hunt, Glenn Close, Bonham Carter, and others. None have said anything bad (from what I can recall).

    Susan Sarandon has once said his personality isn’t as attractive (something to that effect), but she never worked with him.

    Who knows if any of these actresses have anything negative to say about him. I don’t think any will in order to remain out of this sh!tstorm.

    @anon33 You’re awesome. =)

  105. KsGirl says:

    My ex used to talk to me like this. I even considered recording him so I could then play it to him and show him how he was when he was in a rage (which often came out of nowhere). I do remember when he was going off that I would often be speaking in the same tone as Oksana is here – trying to be as calm and even-voiced as possible so as to hopefully avoid him getting even angrier. Of course it never worked – nothing I tried ever worked (and believe me, I tried a lot), and I ended it over 6 months ago (yay me). It’s interesting, though, my ex was not violent with me and none of his friends would ever have believed he was capable of the rage and toxic screaming insults he regularly threw at me.

    I think Mel’s done, and it couldn’t happen to a better man.

  106. @KsGirl Good for you! =) I did the same (calm voice) for those exact reasons. It was during a relationship about 7 years ago. I had to get out. Arguing *every* *day*. It’s ridiculous. No one should have to endure such treatment.

    Ladies (and gentlemen), you deserve better. 😉

  107. macy says:

    that sounded like he was doing a line of coke there at the beginning…or was he just clearing his sinuses…

  108. OC lady says:

    @Sonola. Wait, you actually said they could both be “villains.” I explained that they’re not equals. A lot of people were talking about Oksana as a gold-digger, or she could have been verbally abusive, which I brought in. And I never said that you said it! In any case, they can’t be equal “villains” because it’s criminal to threaten someone, and everything she’s done so far is not criminal. So, I’m definitely on Oksana’s side until more of the story comes out. Just my opinion.

    @anon33. Thanks for telling your story.

    I’m curious what Jodie Foster is going to say about this? She’s been Mel’s friend forever. Will she defend him? AND, she just directed a movie with Mel in it! How hard is that going to be for her? I can imagine that her new film will be a tough sell.

  109. CB Rawks says:

    I know, OC! I almost want to see the movie just to help Jodie Foster out! This is seriously going to tank her movie.

  110. weslyn says:

    pssychhoo, misogynist, and very racist…first of all, only animals travel in packs (not groups of peoples therefore in his mind black people are animals) and he didn’t just say some men are going to rape her- he is automatically assuming all black men are violent..and blaming some women who get raped for their clothing choices..this dude is crazy and if you’re excusing it or condoning it in anyway- u need to b locked up just like this sorry excuse for a man (i use the term loosely)

  111. Mrs Odie 2 says:

    @ a lady who is married, I have never been spoken to this way by anyone EVER. When my husband and I fight, we do NOT call each other names. We do not wish harm or death upon each other. I’ve never witnessed people talking to each other that way, not even in anger. It is NOT normal. Even when my now divorced parents were screaming at each other, there was never name calling or threats. It’s called verbal and emotional abuse and it is ABnormal.

    I listened to the tapes and I noticed that Mel does not sound drunk. I don’t think he can use alcohol as an excuse this time. He clearly hates women and objectifies them. He is projecting that onto strangers in his anger at Oksanababymomma. HE sees her the way he describes, so he assumes others will as well. She’s an object to him, and he hates her for getting pregnant. He treated her like a whore and he’s mad she isn’t acting like one (going away now that he’s done with her).

  112. re: Jodie & “The Beaver”

    I feel bad, too. I read some of the script (didn’t want to ruin the surprise for myself) and it’s really clever and funny. It’s been praised by many and could turn out to be a fantastic film. But with all this drama surrounding Mel, it puts a damper on the film’s potential success. Such a shame. 🙁

  113. Uzi says:

    Well, all you Oksana supporters will be happy to hear that CNN is now running a totally one-sided account of the situation…no mention of Team Mel’s suspicion/accusation of her extortion plot. And they’ve quoted “Oksana’s publicist.” Am I the only one that finds it interesting that a woman who recently claimed she was so broke that she was living on credit cards has now added a PR flack to her legal entourage? I think someone bigger than Oksana is behind all this. And I’m not defending Mel or blaming the “victim.” Justice yes, vengence and defamation of character no!

    My heart goes out to those of you who’ve been directly affected by domestic abuse. Would it be asking too much of you to show the same sort of empathy and compassion for Mel’s family, especially his children, during what must be a very painful time for them?

  114. HH says:

    **In no way am I defending Mel…but the majority of women reading this site must have married Prince Charming w/a muzzle. Do I allow my husband to treat me this way? No Have we lost our tempers and said mean things? Yes (minus the racial slurs) Mel’s views toward other humans is despicable, but for people to proclaim all their conversations with their husbands are rainbows, candy, and unicorns is bull! What is the divorce rate in the U.S.?

  115. guilty pleasures says:

    I am going to restrain myself from writing the things that are really in head about ‘a married lady,’ but SERIOUSLY, woman, get some freakin help!! You are and have been living in Hell, and thinking it’s normal. Let me tell you, it is NOT normal to be screamed at, name-called, or to listen to racial epithets of any kind!
    Re your grandmother, old does not mean wise, nor apparently, kind. She is/was an uneducated, unenlightened blight on society.
    And to those of you who counsel others not to judge, it’s what we, as sentient beings, do. We judge! And so we should, just not on the basis of race, creed, religion etc. Judge people by their actions. If they show themselves to be despicable, then stay the *%$ away! Judge them to save yourself.
    Ahhgg…the mean part, ‘a married lady,’ you seriously write as though English is your second language, and I sincerely I hope it is, because then you won’t be uneducated as well as abused- and perhaps an abuser.

  116. LindaR says:

    #44 a lady who is married writes like she has been hit upside the head one too many times. Try typing in Word first “lady”, then use spellcheck. Then make an appoinment with a shrink. Abuse is NOT normal behavior it’s bad behavior and unacceptable in any relationship.

  117. MissyA says:

    I can’t even bring myself to listen to the tapes – the transcripts alone give me goosebumps.

    I used to think this kind of behavior was normal – or at the very least, what I deserved. NO ONE, no matter the circumstances or scenario, has a right to talk to someone like that. The people supporting Gibson ought to wake up.

    Thank you, Anon33 and KsGirl for sharing your stories. And thank you to everyone else who has condemned his behavior.

  118. Larissa says:

    In Brazil a soccer player (goal keeper) got his porn star mistress killed after she gave birth to their son and wanted to have him recongnize the child and have a DNA test done. They were already reaching a settlement in court , well that´s what he wanted the justice system to believe, then went on and “ordered” her death. After the woman went missing police managed to find the 4 MONTH BABY with the wife of the player, luckily ALIVE,everything else that surfaced later is just too horrible to be described.
    The guy is in custody now and will prosecuted , all he could worry about is that he won´t get the chance to play at the world cup in 2014! DISGUSTING beyond words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That´s how tragic it can get, and no matter what were Oksana´s intentions good on her for speaking out for protecting her child. Maybe it will help other women in the same situation to get out of their dark hole.

  119. Whitey Fisk says:

    Anon33- Fantastic story! Thanks for sharing it.

  120. trashaddict says:

    It is depressing to know how low people can go, who knows if Mel was always like this? But I also wonder if he’s manic-depressive. They can be very attractive and fun when they’re not completely around the bend, then very grandiose, hypersexed and irritable when they are manic.
    Also, far as I know there haven’t been any comments from Timothy Dalton, which is interesting. He’s neither trashing nor defending Oksana. Too bad for us but probably the smartest thing he can do.

  121. Dawn says:

    The reason wht Oksana was quiet is How do you ever reason with a crazy man shouting at the top of his lungs at you. I’ve been in relationship like that. My ex needs serious mental help, but he’s just a pothead instead.

    God help me if I didn’t act,do, or say something he didn’t like. I’m whore, I’m out for his money, and I’m just awful person, but he still wanted to be with me.

    I’m 35 years old. I’ve be working since I was 15, I took care of my house and bill.

    My ex seemed to be at his worst when I didn’t act his ex-girlfreind,but he blamed me for things she did. It’s was so crazy. One night I didn’t answer my phone I was already in bed sick that the doctor find two lumps in my breasts. I didn’t feel like talking. The next morning I had 2 page long e-mail telling me how awful I was

  122. Cue says:

    “Mel Gibson threatened Oksana with a gun
    (update: audio released)”

    I have listened to this, and do not hear any threat of gun use?

  123. Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

    I love how this ‘I’m okay, you’re okay’ faux-P.C. rhetoric acts as an unconvincing veil for some pretty rabid sentiments and activities. At some point, you have to draw a line in the sand and mean something. You have take a stance on things sometimes rather than divest yourself of the responsibility of having a code upon which you may be called to defend. One may like to think that he or she is putting on an angelic disposition by serenely accepting the multifacetedness of human relations (it’s not abuse, we’re just differently-angered) and casting judgement is is more evidence of hive-mind, but given what he’s said in the past (I didn’t listen to this, I know the gist, that enough), and his proven recidivist tendencies, I have no problem with seeing a person pay for his own crimes under the statutes of the law which are supposed to govern us all–even the packs of baggy-pantsed thugs! We did it, Tim Rice! We made it through the rain!

    The question isn’t, ‘do you like this woman, or ‘DO we need another hero’, ‘how Hell-bound are we’, or ‘how is Jennifer Aniston handling this?’

    Actually, I’m increasingly confused as to what the question actually is. Maybe it is true that Hell is other people –for some. But man, as I live and breathe, I will fight that sinking ship until it pulls me under the waves, because that’s no way to have to live and there’s no force making it right for making other people live like that.

  124. Wow. says:

    I can’t believe there are human beings in the world who would think his behavior is acceptable. Boy, am I naive.

  125. Madison says:

    Justice yes, vengence and defamation of character no!
    —————————–
    Bravo!! unfortunately there’s more vengence and defamation of character going on here than justice.

  126. CB Rawks says:

    @HH, no one here said their marriages were perfect, no one here said we didn’t ever fight. We simply DON’T act like hateful animals, though.
    Sorry to disappoint you, obviously you wish everyone was as miserable and spiteful as you. What does jealousy taste like, by the way?

  127. Ann says:

    “I think someone bigger than Oksana is behind all this.”

    That is exactly what I’ve been thinking since this began. Someone is paying Oksana’s bills. If the sheriff’s department or the D.A.’s office would follow the money trail back to the “friend(s)” she has said she is “borrowing” money from, they might actually find the truth.

    “Justice yes, vengence and defamation of character no!”

    Yep. This is definitely what vengeance and defamation of character looks like.

    It seems to me that this whole “revealing” of Oksana’s accusations and the sealed tapes by Radar is a slow-drip system designed to make Mel breakdown and give in and pay money to make Oksana shut up. There are actually people on the internet saying he should have just paid her. The whole mess between Mel and Oksana is sickening, but comments like this are worse.

    Are we really so far gone in American society that we think extortion is okay because somebody may have suffered? It’s NEVER okay to commit blackmail, perjury and/or extortion – just like it is NOT ever okay to physically hurt someone. There is no excuse for committing a crime; none at all. We have a legal system by which we can address our grievances and seek justice.

    Like Uzi, I’m sorry for those of you who have suffered actual abuse. I just wish that you would try and find some mercy in your hearts over the next few days as the onslaught continues because we do not know all the facts.

  128. P.M. says:

    How do we know that she released it? Possibly someone in Mel’s camp who knows what he’s like did this. And how many people would have believed he was like this even with his drunk driving arrest comments without a taped conversation? When you get down to it he’s the one with the power in the relationship & in Hollywood. At least she was smart enough to protect herself.

  129. ViktoryGin says:

    Those tapes may be inadmissable in the court of law, but they are damning in the court of public opinion. And I think that this was her goal the whole time.

    See Mel’s Madonna/Whore dichotomy got out hand and went futher than he intended, and he’s pissed. She was probably an attraction/repulsion f*ck meant to titilate the ascetic Catholic in him to then be properly disposed of. Now, he’s irate that she’s lived up exactly to the image that he constructed of her in his head. Whores aren’t supposed to be the wife and mother, after all. Then he’s mad as hell that he can’t “reform” her. Can’t turn a ho into a housewife, Mel.

    Agree with Jo Mama Besser that this needs to be taken into the context of his already precedented prejudicial and caustic behavior. This man has a history of indulging in this type of vitriol. So, I think that that at least weakens what some commenters have been saying about the tape “performance” being one-sided. Yes, it is; but it is yet another incident in a litany of rank behavior.

  130. Sincerity says:

    @Uzi

    I hear you! Consider it done!

  131. Shy says:

    People – i don’t get it. If your man treats you like that then why do you stay with him? And many people say they were in this situations. By why didn’t you left immediately when they started behave like this? I understand that child can’t leave if her parents act like that. She has nowhere to go. But adult working woman can leave any second.

    And people who say he was drunk or she provoked him – do you remember that there are bunch of other tapes? It wasn’t a single one where he loose it. It was his daily behavior. And it wasn’t fight or argument. He was bringing her down. For no reason.

  132. DiMi says:

    Ladies:

    There is nothing normal about that fight, about his words or his scary tone of voice. If you are with somebody who talks to you like this, as whoopi said in ghost, “you in danger, girl.”

    In another tape he threatens to bury her in the rose garden. I genuinely think this man could have eventually killed her. He has become completely unhinged.

    I wonder what sorts of secrets his ex is keeping. It sounds like he has fallen apart without her.

  133. Shay says:

    Look, to those defending him. Mel’s behaviour isn’t acceptable. But is he really a big deal? (when compared to open racists who enlist teens outside schools, etc), not really. Every person says racist things to some degree when they’re angry. Does it mean they wear white sheets and burn crosses? I doubt it.
    In every relationship, both people are to blame. I don’t care what the media or blogs say, she is just as responsible as he is.
    Instead of having some moral fiber, Oksana records phone calls, and releases certain snippets, that are out of context, in order to create a particular image of herself as the poor damsel in distress (which is doubtful; if she was in fear of her life, releasing tapes to the media would be like tormenting a bull to charge). Instead of taking the higher road, and not (in view of past indiscretions) blurting his inner thoughts, Mel says stuff that is even worse than his Jew rant. He doesn’t learn from the first time. Maybe he has so much money he doesn’t give a crap.
    I wonder how African American actors feel about him now.

  134. ME says:

    Wow, that was really scary. Not sure what provoked him to talk like that. But I’m speechless…..

  135. Aussie Mama says:

    Uzi; in australia that recording has been cut down so much, it sounds shocking. when you hear the whole lot here, totally different story. the murdoch media is owned, by we know who. of course it’s one sided. it will never be in favour of mel. i frickin’ hate all the man hating campaigns out there, it disgusts me and women jump on the band wagon, cos some just love to play that victim card. when a parent is denied access to the child they love, it’s very emotional. anyone that does not understand….lets hope karma can let them have that experience one day and they can eat their words one day!

  136. Fluffy Kitten Tail says:

    MSat- Was going to post almost the same thing you did, with the exception it was not a husband but a boyfriend who talked to me actually worse than that, in addition to physically abusing me, and towards the bitter end murdering ( although he denied it) my cat. I will never forgive myself for being around a man so cruel as that!

    The recordings bring back horrible memories, so I did not finish listening to them.

    I do not like her, BUT I think he is very sick and in need of some serious therapy. He is a terrible man, no not a man, a coward, and this is not acceptable for any reason.

    A side note to those who in a previous thread about Mel said I deserved to be beaten, you are just as bad as Mel Gibson for wishing such a thing upon a person. I never condoned his behavior, nor did I say she deserved it. People should read posts clearly and attempmt to comprehend what the person is REALLY saying and not read their own interpretations into it.

    Verbal, emotional and physical abuse is NEVER okay, regardless of the woman, child or person involved.

  137. Fluffy Kitten Tail says:

    Oh and to those that think getting out of a relationship with a crazy man is as simple as walking away think again. It isn’t.

    I had made the comment in a previous Mel thread about the fact that she stayed in the relationship waaay beyond what she should have and was able to find time to record. That is what made people mad.

    You see the thing is, I would have LOVED to have been able to have recorded the man I was with, but the outbursts were unpredictable, and there would have been no time to try such a thing without getting caught and making what was ahead of me even worse. Oksana has two children, and that should have been her first concern, as being around a man like that is dangerous not only to yourself, but especially to children. I feel sick enough with having subjected my cat and my dog to the man I was with, and my fear of him allowed him to gain access to my precious girl (cat) and I will forever hate myself for what happened.

    I left, and while I thought that would be it and life would be great once again, the man stalked me, hounded me and terrorized me for almost 10 months after the fact. Since I never photographed injuries or called the police when the incidents happened, they could do nothing when I finally did have the courage to call the police. In addition to all his other fine qualities, he was a skilled and convincing liar, able to weasel out of any situation with his charm. An abusive relationship, if you have been in one, is a scary, complicated mess. Walking away is never easy, and not because you care about the other person. It isn’t easy because you are fearing for your life still, and the abuser is not one to admit a relationship with him is over. They still try to make your life miserable.

  138. HH says:

    @Rawks, you need some work with your ESP. I am neither miserable nor spiteful. You’re just on a horse that is way too high. Also, you are calling me jealous? That doesn’t even make sense. What in this whole post would make me jealous? Oh, I see….you’re just being spiteful :o) Bye Pot Love, Kettle (Again, in no way am I defending Mel!!)

  139. Shay says:

    Crash, what you just said is just plain fiction okay? That’s just like saying that no one lies. Everyone lies. Everyone makes social distinctions and everyone is capable of blurting out comments like Mel did, within a certain context.
    **You even use the word ‘race’, when the term is invalid as a term: there is no gene coding for something that is termed ‘race’, yet you use this term. So my question to you is that if you use the word ‘race’ -which is a term of discrimination, then how is it possible that you don’t discriminate?
    I, for one, don’t believe that you’re a saint like you have basically set out to say that you are.
    Sorry, but I don’t believe anyone who practically says that they are 100% saint, like you have. Sure, all right, blurting outright racist names may not be a regular thing for people, but we don’t even know the context. To me, these recordings don’t sound like short phone calls.
    Everyone makes cultural distinctions on some level or another and such distinctions don’t have to be overt. Sure, Mel is being quite specific, but put anyone in a particular context, and anyone is capable of blurting out similar words.

  140. gracie says:

    @MissyA: “I just wanted to say that you could have photographic evidence of Oksana drinking the blood of kittens, and I still would take her side over Gibson.”

    Me too! OMG, me too.

  141. original kate says:

    “Every person says racist things to some degree when they’re angry. Does it mean they wear white sheets and burn crosses? ”

    @ shay: the only people who use words like that are fearful, ignorant people who don’t know any better and cannot express themselves any other way. i know because that is how my father used to speak – luckily i saw the world in a different light and did not follow in his footsteps. i grew up hearing racial and anti-semitic ephitets but i have never used them. never. and while not every person who says racist things wears a white hood, every person who wears a white hood says racist things.

  142. This man needs to be in prison.

  143. Sincerity says:

    @Shay – I understand exactly what you’re saying. People are not always very honest with themselves. It’s always so much easier to point fingers at other people’s shortcoming than to deal with their own.

    @Original Kate – Racism is not only practiced by the fearful and the ignorant. Many racists are very well educated and somewhat elitist. Over the years, even a few members of the United States Congress have been criticized for their blatantly racist remarks and viewpoints.

    People who were raised in much more “open minded” homes, should consider themselves fortunate because the vast majority of parents “taint” their children with their personal ethnic, cultural and religious biases. An individuals “actions” or “lack of them” speak just as loudly as if they intentionally blurted out racist and profane words. Covert racism is just as damaging as “overt” racism.

  144. original kate says:

    @ sincerity: i never said anything about money or position. it doesn’t matter how much (or how little) education or money one has – bigots come in all colors, sizes and social strata, but they are all ignorant and fearful of what they don’t know or understand. fear is what makes people hold a specific group responsible for all their problems, as when mel gibson told the police that “jews were responsible for all the problems in the world” or whatever he said. and you can only scapegoat a group of people if you make them “the other” and use derogatory names in referring to them. it also helps if you believe racial stereotypes like all jews are cheap, all blacks are violent, all hispanics are lazy, all women are whores, etc. if that isn’t ignorance then i honestly don’t know what is.

  145. Bee says:

    @Shay I can assure you that I have never, nor would I ever, use a racial slur in anger or otherwise. And anyone who does so is a RACIST plain and simple. It’s not that hard. Racist people say racist things.

  146. guilty pleasures says:

    @shay
    You are delusional if you think that all people use racist epithets. I have NEVER in my life cast aspersion in that manner, nor have I told a racist joke and I try to stop people if they attempt to tell me one.
    You write as though you are educated, please educate yourself in this regard, people who spew racism are racists and hateful. Period.
    We are not saying we are perfect, I mess up just like anyone else, so call me what you will, just NEVER a racist.

  147. mr dozy says:

    To all those dozy bints who say Mel looks different these days, well that’s called the aging process. it’ll happen to your asses as well.

  148. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Shay: Here ya go: From Websters: “Race – A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.”

    I assumed that since were talking about ‘racism’ it was safe to use the word ‘race’ and you would understand the terminology. I was sadly mistaken, but hopefully you’re all caught up now.

    And please do point out where I claimed to be 100% perfect? Thanks, in advance.

  149. Jackie says:

    Mel is an addict, his behaviour is of an addict, he was flying on drugs and alcohol clearly!…I feel sorry for him, his demons were exposed in the most hideous way, perhaps this is what had to be done…Oksana will pay for the ways in which she has trapped two different celebrities with pregnancy, she is old enough to know better. I listened to her tape…she set him up, wait til they bring out her history…Mel needs to retreat, clean up, stay in a program and come back stronger than ever. but, well!! and he will, Get help Mel….