Bristol Palin has some convoluted thoughts about Obama’s gay marriage stance

On Wednesday, every cable news network threw up the “Breaking News” banner and ran with the earth-shaking news: Pres. Obama now supports gay marriage. He had supported civil unions in the 2008 election, but he had always hedged on supporting full marriage rights to gay couples. After Vice President Joe Biden came out for gay marriage on Meet the Press on Sunday, Pres. Obama discussed his gradual change of heart in an ABC interview on Wednesday (you can see the full video here).

It’s an interesting and emotional moment in the American human rights movement, and I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t get a little bit misty when Obama described his discussions with his wife and two daughters, using the wording: “…it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and, frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”

Honestly, it would have never occurred to me that the part about Obama sitting down with his wife and daughters would be the part that some people would latch on to and attack. Which brings me to this – Bristol Palin (or more specifically, Bristol Palin’s blog ghostwriter) has decided to weigh in. And her views (her ghostwriter’s views) are just as hypocritical and ridiculous as you’d guess. Bristol titled her blog post “Hail to the Chiefs – Malia and Sasha Obama”. You can already feel where this is headed, right?

Is anyone really surprised by the fact that President Obama came out of the closet for gay marriage? What was most surprising is when he explained how his position (supposedly) “evolved,” by talking to his wife and daughters:

“It’s interesting, some of this is also generational,” the president continued. “You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same-sex equality or, you know, sexual orientation, that they believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and, frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”

Let’s pause for just one second. When Christian women run for high office, people inevitably bring up the question of submission. Once, Michele Bachmann, for example, was asked during a debate, “As president, would you be submissive to your husband?”
People automatically assume that a Christian female President isn’t capable of making decisions without her spouse’s stamp of approval. (I should add female Republican candidates –liberal women don’t get the same kind of questions.)

So are all those reporters who feared excessive family intervention in the White House all up in arms over the President’s announcement yesterday? Um. Not quite. Liberals everywhere are applauding him for his bravery and his wisdom.

So let me get this straight – it’s a problem if my mom listened too much to my dad, but it’s a heroic act if the President made a massive change in a policy position that could affect the entire nation after consulting with his teenage daughters?

While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there’s also a time when dads simply need to be dads. In this case, it would’ve been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that’s not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage. Or that – as great as her friends may be – we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home. Ideally, fathers help shape their kids’ worldview.

In this situation, it was the other way around. I guess we can be glad that Malia and Sasha aren’t younger, or perhaps today’s press conference might have been about appointing Dora the Explorer as Attorney General because of her success in stopping Swiper the Fox.

Sometimes dads should lead their family in the right ways of thinking. In this case, it would’ve been nice if the President would’ve been an actual leader and helped shape their thoughts instead of merely reflecting what many teenagers think after one too many episodes of Glee.

[From Bristol’s blog]

I understand (sort of) the social conservative argument against gay marriage. I mean, I don’t agree with their argument, but I understand the gist of the argument. But here’s a question, social conservatives: is Bristol Palin the best person to be making your argument? Or does she come across as a convoluted, asinine hypocrite? Bristol Palin, a single, never-married mother whose family systematically pushed out and attacked her baby-daddy, thinks all kids should have a mom and a dad, and that’s why there should be no gay marriage. And she’s absolutely horrified at the idea of a father (who, in Bristol’s mind, is absolutely necessary and that’s why lesbians shouldn’t raise babies) would actually listen to his daughters thoughts, opinions and world views. Is it offensive that the president loves and respects the women in his life so much that these women influence him and change him and make him grow as a man and as a leader?

And of course, the Glee reference. Look, I don’t like Glee either, but I think it’s crass that Glee is being used a unsubtle code for “the President’s daughters watch TV shows about gay people and the show is going to turn them gay and then they’ll influence their father who loves gay people. GAY!! BE AFRAID.” Is that the punchline? Because Lindsay Lohan is going to be on Glee. And I doubt her appearance is going to influence people to be crackheads. Although I do anxiously await that Bristol blog post.

I guess I shouldn’t get my panties in a twist about this, though. It’s not like Bristol wrote it herself. And before anyone starts yelling about Bristol not being a celebrity and not being worthy of this kind of attention …please. Dancing With the Stars. Tabloid cover stories and interviews. She’s a celebrity. She’s like a Kardashian, only the real Kardashians support gay rights.

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  1. spugzbunny says:

    I don’t understand how such homophobia is tolerated in the US. I may be wrong but I feel like in the UK if people come out with that cr*p it’s generally not accepted.

    She’s an idiot.

    • Maguita says:

      I love what your PM, David Cameron, had said on the subject:

      “Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don’t support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage BECAUSE I’m a Conservative.”

      The US’s Republican party has forgotten from which place it was born. It has forgotten that they are supposed to fight for equal rights, not revert to 15-Century Spanish-Inquisition like bigotry.

    • Agnes says:

      i don’t understand it either. thankfully, most of us in the US aren’t like this. but that’s clearly not enough, things won’t change for the better until idiots and hypocrites like that palin/kardashian hybrid are no longer given a platform or are listened to in any way, shape or form.

      • RN says:

        I don’t agree with your statement of “most of us in the US aren’t like this.” I’ve lived in and traveled extensively throughout the US for over 4 decades and I have to say that many, many Americans are narrow-minded dimwits. And that’s being kind.

      • Janet says:

        @RN: When Obama was elected, a Brit friend of mine told me there was not a country in Europe, including his own, that would elect a non-white person as head of state, even if he was clearly the best candidate.

    • Hanna says:

      Yeah, It’s like Americans are behind. President supporting gay rights; a historical moment in America. Lmfao.

      • Maguita says:

        It is rather tacky, and quite vulgar, to insult Americans on an American blogger’s site.

        And please remember, the USA was not always so full of bigots, racists and homophobic. This had come upon at a time where a noted most powerful country in the world, with mostly leading white men in power, and a history of slaver, had very much elected a BLACK president.

        This could very much happen to the UK. No one can predict how the wind of change might affect ones future, and country.

        And please remember, the United States of America employs a very good number of United Kingdom citizens, who cannot find jobs in their own country. Many of your countrymen and women have opted to move to the US, where highly paid specialized jobs are available for those in need, no matter their citizenship, but based on their competence.

        I had to say something, because @spugsbunny’s comment was very polite. Your comment pretty much turned it into a slap.

      • Agnes says:

        don’t paint us all with the same brush. :)

      • claire says:

        Well, I’m an American, and because we have this thing called free speech, I’ll come right out and say that I completely agree that we are behind! I am mortified by some of the things that are made “issues” in this country. We ARE behind, and it’s no wonder people laugh at us. We actually LET people like Sarah Palin, who showed she was as dumb as a rock on policy, have a platform. That she even made it as far as she did – we’re a laughing stock. For FFS, the current “war on women”, do you know how stupid that makes us look???? And the healthcare debate? And our lack of investment in education??Any civilized, intelligent society cares about these things, supporting them years if not decades ago, and guess what? That is why their society is healthier! That is why we are getting our asses kicked in technology. I mean, a politician recently said that if you allow gay marriage, just because people love each other, well then, people love their dogs…so what will happen? people love ice cream…are we going to let them marry ice cream? I KID YOU NOT – these are the idiots running our country. If that doesn’t make you feel embarrassed….I CARE about this country, and currently? I’m ashamed. I feel like I’m living in the dark ages sometimes. Only in freaking America would we be giving serious credo to politicians who lambast our president, or others, who have master’s degrees, or PhD’s, and call them snobs, or pompous, as we’ve watched over and over the republicans do to Obama. And people cheer that on. Only in America would we actually consider an education, um…a bad thing?? Most countries would be applauding a highly educated person!

      • Kim says:

        If you live in America you are welcome to move if its so behind here.

      • @claire says:

        “Well, I’m an American, and because we have this thing called free speech, I’ll come right out and say…”

        Oh, yes, that’s right: If someone disagrees with you that means they literally want your right to free speech to be taken away. Guess what; it works both ways. People have the right to utilize their free speech to criticize your stance. To you and anyone else that has the short-sightedness to use the above quote: grow up, your entitlement is showing.

        And I don’t even disagree with the bulk of your post! But to come out and play the “free speech” card because you don’t like that someone else disagrees with you is weak sauce. It just reveals a persecution complex.

    • kazoo says:

      I agree with Claire & spugzbunny (and I am an American).

      Conservatives are trying to push this country back in time and it’s disgusting.

      • RN says:

        Women in the US won’t label themselves as “feminists”. They’re okay with concentrating on waxing their crotches, dieting and watching reality TV. God forbid they band together and take a stand against their eroding rights, including lack of access to birth control and abortion. No no, it’s more important to go tan and watch “Jersey Shore”.

      • the original bellaluna says:

        ^^^^^^^^^THIS! It’s like they’re trying to move backwards instead of forward. I know hindsight is supposed to be 20/20, but this is beyond ridiculous!!

      • marie says:

        @RN.. I don’t know the women you’ve met but I know plenty of women that label themselves as feminists. I, for one have never waxed my crotch, I can’t tan and could care less about Jersey Shore. and I’m sure there are plenty more women here that could say the same. In 148 of 150 biggest cities nationwide women are out earning men. And why is that? Not only are we demanding equal pay but we have proven to be better employees. Yes, there are some in power that hold archaic beliefs but do not think that we won’t fight it, we’ve proven we will time and again. Now I’m sure you didn’t mean to offend with your ignorant comments but it appears that you are the one watching reality shows, not me..

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I don’t think you were meaning to offend, Spugz but I hate the whole “Europe is so much better/more progressive than the US” attitude. In some aspects, it IS but as someone who has dual-citizenship with France and half her family living in Europe, I can tell you that it’s always a double-edged sword no matter where you live. I listened to so much sh*t talk about the US from my French family when Bush was in office. So much anti-American sentiment. Then when we elected Obama, everyone suddenly shut up. Meanwhile, they were stuck with that asshole Sarkozy. Europe has their problems too just like every other country.

      • anniecc says:

        I agree with you, but equally, please understand that Europe is not “a country”. Europe is made up of many countries with vastly different politics and social systems. I take no responsibility for Sarkozy!

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        I am an idiot and you are right! I was still thinking France (a country) as I typed that but yes, I DO know EU is a continent, NOT a country. :)
        My point still stand that there is no perfect country (or continent ;) )

      • ZenB!tch says:

        “Europe” seems to be doing even worse economically than we are. I point this out because really, gay marriage is the last thing on my poor underemployed butt right now. I can’t afford a wedding – gay or straight.

        We have bigger problems to deal with, if not soon we will be rioting like most of Europe and abandoning babies on the street like Greece.

        Maybe it’s “Europe” that needs it’s priorities changed not the US.

      • flan says:

        Europe is not just Greece either. Greece has always been poor and only did better for a while because of EU assistance. In many countries there are not as many problems as in the US.

        Also, what people in Europe still get angry and now protest about, are things that have long been accepted in the US; very high education fees, the slow destruction of the middle class and a big group living in poverty.
        I’ve also never heard Europeans say that they take a job because of ‘dental’ or health care.

        There is great technological progress in the US and there are many smart, creative Americans who get things done all the time. But then there are some that freeload on that reputation, go abroad and then baffle everyone (not just Europeans) with their arrogance, while not knowing very simple things.

        Have found that Americans are amongst the nicest and most gracious in the world to visitors. But unfortunately ‘the world’ doesn’t get to see that side unless they visit.

        Take away the fear mongering and religious indoctrination (of SOME churches) and lots of those Americans would probably just want the best for people; gay ones included.

    • Ann says:

      Agreed. Europe is miles ahead.

  2. marie says:

    so full of ridiculous..I hate commenting on the political posts because people get so hateful but seriously?!? I consider myself Christian and have no problem with anyone getting married, as long as they’re consenting adults. I have no right to tell anyone else how they should live their life, considering my time is full living my own..

    • some bitch says:

      Wonderfully said. (:

    • Gravels says:

      I personally think most people in this country are like me and could care less what people do in their private lives. I think what is scaring people who are socially conservative is that the churches will be sued if they do not perform same sex marriages. Catholic charities is already coming under attack for not supporting gay adoptions. The churches are concerned that they will lose tax exempt status. Growing up, I personally know how churches serve as a safety net for those
      family’s in need. I think these concerns need to be discussed in a sane rational manner…not by Bristol Palin.

      • Lee says:

        I do understand that fear, but it seems baseless to me. There are numerous examples of countries where gay marriage is legalized and religious institutions still reserve the right to deny gay couples a ceremony in their church. Just like a catholic church can deny a couple a ceremony if one of the parties is divorced.

        As for losing tax exempt status for charities/shelters/adoption agencies etc, I think they SHOULD lose their status if they discriminate against LGBT individuals. there is a distinct difference in my mind between denying someone a ceremony in your place of worship and denying someone a roof, food or loving family. LGBT youth have massively higher rates of homelessness than straight youth and many of them can’t even get access to homeless shelters that are run by religious institutions. Turning someone away who has already been rejected by family, friends and society at large doesn’t line up with Jesus’ teachings anyways.

        Also, scientific studies have consistently shown that gay couples are just as capable of raising healthy well-adjusted children as straight couples. In fact, recent studies have even shown that children conceived through IVF to lesbian mothers score higher than average on all sorts of adjustment and achievement scores, likely because couples who can’t conceive naturally are more likely to have children when they are financially and emotionally ready to care for them, since it can’t happen by accident. And in any case, keeping a child in an orphanage or foster care absolutely can’t be better for them than providing them with a loving family, regardless of the gender of their adoptive parents.

      • Tiffany says:

        Here’s what I don’t understand about the “churches might get sued for not performing gay marriages” question.

        There are ALREADY people that the church will refuse to marry. Athiests get married, and a church can refuse to perform the service. My friend wanted to get married at a Catholic church , and they said she had to be a memeber of the church for 6 months before they would do it.

        This hypothetical about whether the church could be sued for refusing to marry people has already been played out millions of times. The church has nothing to fear.

      • garvels says:

        Lee

        I think churches should maintain tax exempt status due to the 2nd amendment freedom of religion clause. The Catholic church did not write their doctrine over night. Their beliefs have been in place for thousands of years…it is not like they decided one day to ban same sex marriage to tick off the gay community.The church has made significant positive contributions to healthcare,world suffering,adoption and poverty.

        My great aunt is a nun and she has dedicated her life to traveling to third world countries assisting those in need..so I have seen first hand the work accomplished by these courageous women. She is now 82 years old and has decide to retire. She certainly hasn’t profited from this career choice… since all of her worldly belongings can fit into a suitcase.

        I am one of those people who would oppose same sex marriage if it penalized the churches. If same sex marriage did not penalize the churches and if the churches 2nd amendment rights
        were truly protected then I would be fine with it. I am fine with civil unions because it keeps the religious aspect out of the discussion. Both sides need to discuss these matters in an open manner without the heated rhetoric, in order to reach a solution.

        I believe people are wired from birth as to their sexuality, and I believe that there needs to be legislation in place to give them and their partners the same rights as a married couple.

        I disagree with President Obama and governor Romney that this needs to be a state issue, this should be addressed at the Federal level…I am just tired of the vilification of the Catholic church.

      • Lindy says:

        By the way, Catholics Charities in many, many US dioceses used to support adoption by gay couples. That only changed when some of the hyper-conservative, super-reactionary bishops issued policy-change directive several years ago.

        Because being a kid stuck in the grinding foster care system is apparently preferable for these bishops than being adopted by a loving, supportive gay couple who will provide a stable, happy home.

      • garvels says:

        Lindy,

        I am a proponent for gay adoption because it would provide a loving stable home environment verses the foster care system.
        I would also be 100% behind civil unions or gay marriage if the legislation did not penalize the church.

      • Tiffany says:

        Garvels said, “I am fine with civil unions because it keeps the religious aspect out of the discussion”

        #1- Athiests do not have religion in their marriages, yet it is still called marriage. Marriage as it relates to the government has nothing to do with religion (that is a personal aspect citizens can chose to apply or not). Marriage in regards to the government is the contractual agreement that merges 2 estates. It gives the members in the marriage certain rights to protect their estate.

        #2- When it comes to civil unions, I thought we had learned decades ago that there is no such thing as “separate but equal”.

      • Lee says:

        @Garvels

        I get your point and I appreciate it, I just think that claims that the legalization of gay marriage would threaten the tax exempt status of churches as a whole is an incredibly unlikely reality given precedence set in the US and other countries around the world.

        As for adoption agencies and shelters (completely separate from the discussion on same-sex marriage), I know that religious institutions do a lot of great work, but those who pick and choose who they serve shouldn’t be provided with tax exempt status in my opinion. If you make a pledge to provide shelter for the homeless, and you receive government funding to provide the facilities, I don’t see how denying that service to someone in need because they are LGBT should be protected as a freedom of religious expression. Now, just because a specific catholic-affiliated shelter chose to deny access to some and lost their tax exempt status, it is my understanding that wouldn’t revoke status from all catholic institutions, only the specific one in question. Anyways, that’s all I meant.

        And your Aunt sounds like a wonderful person. We are all very lucky to have people like her around. I just hope that regardless of their personal, religious or political views, most people doing great work in charitable domains wouldn’t deny home or health to someone who needed it.

      • garvels says:

        Tiffany

        Whatever the definition…the bottom line is that I personally am for gay marriage if the government does not penalize religious institutions for not performing gay marriages….does that make sense?

      • garvels says:

        Lee

        Non-profits need to scrape for every dollar and by removing the tax exemption it would greatly impact their work. I get nervous when the only safety net for society would be the government. I personally think that the private non-profits do a better job in servicing the local needs of the communities. The government should always find ways to work with and not against non-profits whether they are religious institutions or secular organizations.

      • Tiffany says:

        garvels,
        Good to hear that you support gay marriage, but I think that the threat of anyone suing the church is a strawman argument that has been perpetuated by those that want to stop gay marriage for other reasons.

        As I said in another post, there are other marriages that churches can and do refuse to perform, and the law protects the church in those instances so it is highly unlikely that the church is made vulnerable by gay marriage. I am not saying you are being anything less than truthful, but I do think that some groups use the “churches will get sued” idea as a fearmongering tactic.

      • Gravels says:

        Tiffany
        Churches getting sued is actually a reality. There was a case in Chicago regarding catholic charities and gay adoptions.

      • Tiffany says:

        Gravels, that is because federal tax dollars were being used. You can’t use federal money and then discriminate with it. (Keep in mind part of that money was taken from gay tax payers).

        Marriage isn’t subsidized. There will be no conflict because it doesn’t involve taxpayer money.

        They twist the issue and try to make people fearful, but the facts to do not support churches being sued over gay marriage.

    • MJ says:

      I’m not a religious person, but I feel for people whose faith is misrepresented in the media and politics. If one believed what’s portrayed, it would seem that religious folks are ignorant, hateful bigots who are far too concerned about other people’s personal lives, which is not the case. In my experience, that’s completely opposite the truth. The world needs more moderate, sensible people speaking up, no matter their religion.

  3. nina says:

    No one wants to hear an eff-up like Bristol lecturing us on why two dudes can’t marry.

    And as for child raising – regardless of politics, Obama’s daughters seem like smart, well-adjusted kids. At least THEIR daddy isn’t doing nude pictorials in Playgirl, Bristol! Do’h…..

  4. Reba says:

    Like she’s a perfect Christian woman, take a hike, nutjob!!

  5. Maguita says:

    Who gives a sh-t about that little wh-re? She’s as anti-American as they come, and had done everything her own party condemns. And before even speaking of what God intended, please! God has certainly not intended for you to have a nose job, a jaw implant, and whatever else she did to herself to prove that she is not content with God’s creation.

    I am in awe of our President.

    At a time where Romney’s openly gay spokesman for Foreign Policy and National Security, Richard Grenell, was forced to resign after suffering numerous verbal abuse at the hands of not only his colleagues within Romney’s party, but also extreme homophobic criticism from extremist anti-gay groups, like the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage, and the Massachussetts Family Institute, groups Romney heavily donates to, our President of the United States of America, has clearly stated his support not only for gay marriage, but highlighting equal rights for all Americans.

    And that no matter your beliefs, your gay neighbor, friend, child, brother, sister, mother, father, are also allowed the same access to love, commitment, and happiness as you do.

    And for the record, not once had Mitt Romney defended his spokesperson. And those groups that “saintly family man” donates to, has also signed a NOM vow that binds him to appoint only anti-gay judges, and establish a McCarthy-era commission to investigate the activities of those who support LGBT equality.

    Know those who intend to not only shove their noses into your lives, but to also control and dictate who you should love. Know who is selling his soul, just so to be able to run for President of the United states of America.

    • Agnes says:

      YES!!! perfectly put.

      in case you haven’t seen this, more on romney’s “values” and him as a person. (and yes, a high school kid, although still forming, can definitely have values and character flaws.)
      http://www.salon.com/2012/05/10/mitt_the_prep_school_sadist/

      • Gravels says:

        This story already has found to have several holes. The one guy that was supposedly there when this happened,told abc that he wasn’t and he didn’t even know anything about the event until the WAPost called. The victim who has since passed away(how convenient)..the victim’s sisters said the depiction of their brother was false and they never heard anything about this story ever,and they also have come out and said they are upset that their brother is being used to further someone’s political agenda. By the way 1 or 2 of the witnesses work for Obama.

      • Agnes says:

        @grvales – discredited by whom? redstate and fox news? yeah, that’s not exactly reliable reporting there.

      • Gravels says:

        No Agnes….abc news interviewed family and one of the so called witnesses. The family also put out an official statement.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        As much as I detest Romney, I think it is utterly ridiculous to bring up incidents that occured when he was a teenager. Yes, it might speak to his character, but ultimately this is more inane politicking that takes away from the real issues. We have a million reasons to hate him based on his POLICIES and his political stance, let’s leave mistakes he made as a teenager out of the discussion so we can focus on the REAL issues.

      • Cait says:

        Mitt Romney is the John Kerry of the right: absurdly wealthy, disconnected from the middle class and incapable of sticking to a platform.

      • garvels says:

        If one considers Romney to be disconnected,you have to say the same about Obama. Obama was raised by his grandparents in Hawaii and his grandparents were not poor. I read that his grandmother was a VP of a bank in Hawaii. I in all honesty can not relate on a personal level to either Romney or Obama.

      • Tiffany says:

        It is not accurate to suggest that Obama was raised in a privileged home. His mom was on food stamps at one point, as a single mother. His grandfather fought in the military and his grandmother worked her way up to VP of a local bank (not the same thing as VP of JPMorgan or anything). She started off as a secretary.

        It is well documented that they were a family of very modest means.

    • Rin says:

      How is she a “whore”, again? It is okay to disagree with someone without villifying them. She had sex and got knocked up. From all appearances this was with a long time boyfriend.

      I’m not fond of her mother, I’m not a Republican, and I don’t agree with her views but I’m tired of people being cool with the use of “hate” words if its used against Republicans or someone who you feel is a threat (Monica Lewinsky).

      This “war against women” is perpetrated by women more than men because when we do it it is out of internecine competitiveness and self-loathing.

      She believes marriage is for the purpose of creating and nurturing children, not love and affection.

      Guess what? 99% of the world believes that. Look at India and China. Look at Africa. Look at Russia.

      Marriage historically has been only about creating an environment that is stable for children. The west has decided to change the definition to mean “love and romance and two people sharing a life”. Personally, I feel you can do that without the title, but folks wanna own it.

      I point to Muslim women who suffer under rules that allow the husband to put them aside, to take their children upon a certain age, and say: that is marriage to the rest of the world.

      I seriously don’t see why anyone wants to “own” that word.

      FAMILY. That’s the word to own.

      • Vicky says:

        Rin-well said. +1.

        I don’t see how anyone could be “in awe of our President”. To paraphrase John Kerry, he was for it before he was against it before he was for it again.

        If he was a republican you would call him a flip flopper but because he is a democrate he has evolved. Give me a break! He only wants hollywood $$$ and votes.

      • MJ says:

        Do you actually know any Muslim families? I do, and they do not fit into that horrible stereotype that you inserted into an otherwise well thought out point. The men do not act like they own their wives, who work outside the home, have their own separate interests, and do not wear any particular religious garb.

        We are not talking about India, China, Africa or Russia. We are talking about the USA, which holds itself up as some sort of progressive, free country where people can realize their dreams (whether or not that is true is a whole other story.)

        I do see the rest of your point, though. It just really bothers me to see such damaging assumptions about Islam that are so widely held, particularly post-9/11. I am agnostic, for the record.

      • lush33 says:

        Rin and Vicky,
        I couldn’t agree more, whether it be Romney or Obama, we are delusional as a people if we think that either one of them care about us. Both just want to win the race so they play different card to see which ones get them ahead. Bristol may be a moron and I think that equality and equal right is where it’s at, but I just don’t buy that any politician is capable of being sincere…EVER.

      • Alarmjaguar says:

        @ Rin,
        While I absolutely agree that women shouldn’t throw the word ‘whore’ around at each other, I’m going to have to disagree w/ your definition of historical marriage. It was not about providing a secure environment for children, it was about protecting and passing along property. Children were seen as labor (and if male, heirs). The idea of childhood as an innocent stage in which children need to be protected is a fairly new (19th century) Western idea.

      • Rin says:

        Here, I’ll be less kind and equally honest. Marriage was for the purpose of a father understanding that all the kids he’s providing for (caring of children) are his and will therefore stick around and continue to provide for and protect them.

        That was marriage. For upper class people, yes, it was all that you say…uniting families, etc.

        My point is that the term “marriage” is not romantic, it is not about sharing a life, it pretty much is about producing offspring and caring for them.

        The Lais of Marie de France, a lovely book, was born from frustration that marriage was NOT a loving institution. The Catholic Church, an ancient church, teaches that marriage is a sacrament and for the purpose of bearing children.

        To me…when people want the word marriage it is like wanting a piece of the word “serf” or “house slave”. Like, Ohhhhhh, why can’t I be a serf too? You guys get to be serfs!

        I just don’t get it. For heterosexuals, we’re stuck with the word. Gays and lesbians aren’t and as Rachel Maddow put it, were able to create their own definitions and meanings.

        I dunno, maybe family law has soured me.

      • justez says:

        Rin, you’re clearly a lot more intelligent than me and if we were to argue you would most definitely win so I just want to state I’m not as much arguing as much as I am disagreeing. On this topic, I don’t think it’s a much about the definition of marriage, which I didn’t know the historical reason for until you stated it, but about equality. I don’t believe it’s right to not allow people equal rights/privileges because of a historical reason/definition. People should be allowed to marry for whatever reason they choose, whether it be love, reproduction, money and so on and I think taking away those rights/privileges is completely wrong.

      • Tiffany says:

        ” Personally, I feel you can do that without the title, but folks wanna own it”

        It isn’t the word that people want to own. It is the RIGHTS that go with it!

        Over 1000 rights, benefits, and protections that allow 2 people to join estates and make joint decisions about that estate. Things involving taxes, property inheritance, insurance coverage, benefits after death, decisions about child well being, etc.

      • Annie says:

        @ Vicky god forbid a politician (,or anyone for that matter) should take in new information and be open to questioning their own thoughts/theories. Cynics will question his motives, which says more about them the the President. I personally think he evolved like many who are open to the pursuit.
        It’s clear to most who will be on the right side of history…as for others , please don’t preach about our constitution as your in direct opposition to it…

      • flan says:

        The non-west is not 99%. Also, things are changing very quickly in Asia. More and more people now demand romance as well, especially in cities.

        And not because America tells them to (though movies have some influence), but because both men and women have the money to support themselves and can be picky. This while having a boyfriend or girlfriend is more accepted and there is no need to rush to marriage just so you can be seen with someone from the opposite gender.

      • Str8Shooter says:

        You seem to be missing the point of the so-called ‘hatred’ against this little hillbilly nitwit.

        She feels its OK to go around telling others who they should or shouldn’t be allowed to marry, even though she got knocked up and is NOT married to anyone?

        Kinda like when she was going on her ‘abstinence tour’ after giving birth out of wedlock.

        Sorry. You go out to the media and make a statement like that, you damn well better be prepared for the shitstorm coming your way.

    • Gravels says:

      Romney’s spokesperson was being attacked from the left as well …….with regards to his controversial tweets regarding Hilary Clinton,Rachel Maddow etc…His credibility was hurt due to these stupid tweets.

    • Rin says:

      @MJ

      Yes. We represent a great many of them in their family law cases. Listening to Yemenese women cry about losing their kids was enough to make me sick to my stomach and think marriage is not some great, sanctified union of romance, pixie dust and butterfly kisses.

      Do I know Muslim families who aren’t that way? Sure, just like I know Christian families who don’t think gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry. However, when you leave the US and go abroad to see how this plays out even in liberal countries like Turkey…it will change how you feel about marriage. It will.

      And, no, we’re not talking about anywhere other than the US because EVERYTHING has to be about “western” culture, “western values”. This is why we’re hated abroad because we want to impose our definitions, our values, and our way of consumer-driven existence on them.

      I’ll probably go on a terror watch list for saying this, but IF 911 really was driven by Islamic fundamentalism…I can hardly blame them. We shove military bases in their countries, thrust worthless talent like Britney Spears into the world, and trample on all of their values and culture by calling it “stone age”.

      • MJ says:

        Fair enough – you sound like you have a lot of experience on which you’ve based your opinion. After reading your response, I can see we agree on a lot of things. I’m a Canadian woman married to a US citizen living in Canada, so my perspective is different (although very similar), and we don’t have a very traditional view of marriage. It was a practical decision based in love, trust and respect. Not trying to undermine our lifelong commitment to each other – I just believe that came before the wedding. Not everyone has that same luxury and I understand that.

      • Rin says:

        My experiences have made me sour on marriage, but not on the concept of immutable family. I believe in keeping families together. I don’t need the name, ya know.

        Gays and lesbians have always had lifelong partnerships of love and respect and I don’t think its necessary that “society” stamps an approval on the definition for them–in fact, it makes me sad.

        Tax breaks…yes, the name…I don’t see why they want it. It’s like going to those bullies who smacked you around and asking to be a part of their clique. If I were gay I would call it something different and then blow a rasberry at heterosexuals.

      • Green_Eyes says:

        RIN, again… Putting all Muslims under one file so to speak. Your representation on behalf of the women you help is to be commended. HOWEVER, the Muslim people I know in the U.S. Are equals, work outside the home, and those who have divorced have abided by the U.S. courts ruling (speaking of those I know). Now i know my Sister”/Ex Fiancee is from The Palestian State where his family still resides. He has sisters who are Doctors and work outside the home, divorced, have their children, and are Muslim. I agree we have seen different things and that makes my point… We have both different experiences w/ the same Culture/Religion so we cannot put a certain culture or Religion into one pile and wrap it up. I have a dear friend who just married a young Pakistanian, his family are still all there, and Muslim…the women all work and are respected… Again.. Just saying it’s not fair to Muslim men or women to put everyone in one group. It’s also a disservice to the women who are treated badly and robbed of their rights and children. Again, I commend you for the work you do, I hope one day there will no longer be those who abuse women and treat them any less than human no matter what Culture or Religious believe. Until then, thank goodness for those who help flight for their rights and God bless them and their cause.

    • Green_Eyes says:

      Living by a Military base and having been raised by a Military retiree I have had a vast denomination of friends throughout my life, including Muslim. To bulk all Muslim women into this stereotype is the same as saying All Native Americans are alcoholics or lazy and all Southern Women are either all Bible thumping imbeciles or barefoot & pregnant hicks…. NONE of those statements are true, neither is your statement regarding Muslim women and how they are treated. Now to say their are some Women that act like Hicks, bible thumpers, and men abuse some women… That would be true. IN ANY Culture or Religious Belief. Just as yes some Native Americans are Alcholics, as are some from every other culture… In other words….don’t judge an entire group based by the actions of a few!! It is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.

      • Rin says:

        Remind me what “negative” stereotype of Muslim women am I corraling them in? Did I call them “weak”? Did I call them anything at all? No, I said that the Muslim definition of marriage included the inability to keep their children should their husband divorce them. This is in the Holy Koran. I said that the Yemenese clients we’ve had have literally cried on my desk about not wanting to lose their kids because their religious community will say that the kids should go to their husband. I’ve had women scared and sneaking around in regards to their divorce.

        I’m speaking of my own personal experience and I am very sympathetic to people crying to me about the loss of their children.

        You have a different experience. That’s all.

        I think its wrong of you to assume that I have a lack of respect for the women I work with. This is the farthest thing from the truth. I have an inordinate amount of respect for women who are willing to go against every cultural experience of their youth to fight for the Naturally instilled concept of Motherhood.

      • Green_Eyes says:

        To be clear before anyone gets upset… I choose those as examples as my father is Native American, and both Gma & Gpa’s sides, as well as my dad and his siblings are Southern born and raised. That being said…. My family is Conservative, Reagan Conservative ..I say Reagan Conservative because that USED to be Republican. that is Pre Palin, Bauchman, Limbaugh, and the Crazy beliefs they left behind. Reagan is often quoted by them, nit he wouldn’t be allowed into their Club if he were alive and the Politician now that he was then. He would reconsidered a Liberal. I am a registered Republican, but I sure didn’t vote for This Twits mom and her running mate, and wont be voting
        for Romney. Oh and shockingly I support the right for any person to marry and share equal rights. Guess I just lost my Gun carrying card privileges for those beliefs. I have myReligious beliefs, but I also have human compassion. Those that hide behind Christianity should be asked… If you truly believe God loves all.. And hate is a sin… Why would God not love those who are Gay? he loves all….and those who hate Gays why aren’t you committing a sin in your own admission God views hate as a sin… By having hate in your heart your sinning… Okay.. I have stepped off the Soap Box and lit a match to it;). Lol whew to serious there… Bristol, oh yes she can go back to Alaska and take those twits the Kartrashions w/ her (well Khloe can have stay, she’s not as bad).

      • Rin says:

        I am not fond of Republicans lets get that straight first.

        I have plenty of Muslim friends who are not traditional, just as I have many Christian friends who are non-traditional. Fewer Muslims are as wishy-washy about their religion in my opinion, but again this is my worldview based on our clientele and my time abroad in Muslim nations.

        Just because I said that the Islamic laws in regards to marriage are in my world very unfair to women, doesn’t mean I don’t think highly of Muslim women who find strength in this system. I love, love Muslim woman. Muslim men I’ll admit to having a severe prejudice against that I need to overcome and this has nothing whatsoever to do with 911, just what has happened to the women I see on a weekly basis.

        My whole argument is that I think that marriage is historically a union that is created for a single purpose. That purpose worked and works in other parts of the world. Would I, personally, want to encapsulate my existence in that word to its historical and global definition? No, no double-no.

    • drawbackwards says:

      Maguita, every comment in my head that I didn’t have the balls or energy to post was just delineated admirably by you. Thank you, friend- well played.

    • Maguita says:

      Wow, just wow. Miss a few hours, miss a lot on this blog!

      First off, thank you @Agnes and @drawbackwards. It takes balls to agree so openly.

      I don’t know how the conversation got so far off track, how Muslims, 9/11, and an outdated definition of marriage, more outdated than the notion that homosexuality is a sin, got into it.

      The idea of marriage, in today’s society, in OUR American society, is the official commitment between two people, to share their love, their lives, until death do them part. Not many of us marry to carry on our paternal name, legacy, or to be shackled deeper into serving one master.

      The importance of gay marriage in today’s society, is very simple:

      Like the President had stated it, he had supported CIVIL UNION for gay couples, that was supposed to give the LGBT community same rights as married couples: hospital visitations, and many other elements that heterosexuals in committed relationships take for granted. Civil unions were supposed to also allow your employer to offer you the right to coverage, for you and your partner, SAME as if you were married. But then, the Republican party kept on pushing their “Defense Against the Marriage Act”, which tried to federalize what is historically State Law.

      Obviously, for the past 18 months, it was clear for anyone aware of the country’s division, and reading the news, that Civil Union was not sufficient in giving ALL AMERICANS EQUAL RIGHTS.

      And that is why, Mr. Obama, went publicly and announced his absolute support for gay marriage.

      And like @ahoyhoy stated further below: “The presidency has to be won through the Electoral College, and the 7 or so ‘swing states’ who will decide the election, are very split about Gay Marriage, if not mostly against it. North Carolina is very important, and they just voted to make it illegal the day before, 61% against. Whether you like the President or not, this is a very risky stance as far as the 2012 election goes, and he knows it.”

      So the line is drawn. The President of the United States of America is very much separating himself from the Republican political party that has done nothing but promote wealth to the wealthiest, while cutting on everything from healthcare, education, roads, safety, security, EVERYTHING, that would make our lives, the other 99%, merely comfortable and safe.

      As for Richard Grenell, no, he was not pushed to give his resignation because of his offensive extreme-Right comments against women in politics, in general, or for his bigoted tweets. If that were true, 80% of the today’s Republican Party would also resign.

      Honestly, how many times in the past 3 years did you cringe at what a Republican Senator, House Representative, Mayor, or whatever else Right-dingwinged politician have uttered: homophobic slurs, direct racist attacks against the President and the First Lady, all that bullshit with the Birthers, and please, think back on what the Tea Party had done. Think deep, think honest. Are you cringing yet? Richard Grenell was very much in tune with all of those in his party. What was different about Richard Grenell: He was an out-of-the-closet homosexual. And THAT was unacceptable.

      As for Mitt Romeny’s bullying, are you kidding me?

      FIVE more students came out and confirmed that Mitt Romney was an elitist bully. Who had called gay-looking men “hey girly”, who had forcefully shaved their heads, and generally made their lives a living hell.

      And no, I won’t leave Mitt Romney’s student years alone, because MR. Obama’s student years are also often brought up, but turns out, he was a great lover, and did not make bad promises to his girlfriend. That did not go very well the Right-dingwings.

      And please, let me remind you that Mitt Romney not only bullied his fellow students, but he also bullied an anti-bullying commission while he was governor of Massachusetts. See, his name appeared on a press release touting a gay pride parade. That very much insulted the all-mighty-and-straight governor, o he moved to curtail the activities of a 14-year-old advisory commission on gay and lesbian youth.

      His original plan was to revoke their existence, and create an new youth commission for straight youth, but eventually simply shut the anti-bullying commission down completely.

      And before you jump up again, know that Mitt Romney had offered today apologies for all the stupid things he had done when he was young.

      Fair enough. But it seems he is still bullying the LGBT community by denying them their American rights. And in your party, you surround yourself with as much people that represent your ideals. Well, did you hear the one about Mitt Romeny’s most trusted advisor, one Eric Fehrnstrom?

      It seems that Mr. Romney’s most trusted adviser is alleged to have “glee”-fully outed a transgender women, ending her career in politics.

      When a political activist and gadfly named Althea Garrison was elected to the Massachusetts House of Representatives, the fact that she was transgender was an open secret in Boston political circles. But Fehrnstrom was the first one to put that information into print.

      Do you still think Romney has changed? Or has he surrounded himself with bullies to do his dirty work, and carry on his true ideals?

      And Bristol Palin had EARNED herself the same title I had previously reserved to one Paris Hilton. She is everything I despise in fame wh-res. And coming from me, that is pushing the button a lot. Anyone who has read my comments KNOWS I usually defend women, and more so, those who had been sh-t upon publicly by men.

  6. Zimmer says:

    Ugh! For thousands of years people thought slavery was okay, does that make it right?

    • lulu says:

      WELL PUT! I wish you could challenge young Ms Palin with that simple thought. In a time warp, that’s probably how she would be justifying slavery!

      And Kaiser? I’m surprised you don’t like Glee! While the plotlines are constrained as a result of trying to build them around a set of songs and Glee practices, they frankly are the Sex in the City of a younger generation. I have three teenagers, and I love the way the whole show champions ‘outsiders’. Kids love these characters, and it gives us a great basis for discussions about bullying, low self-esteem or becoming an individual that are part of being a teen.
      We are one of those families that discuss things around the table! While it could well be that everything Obama does is choreographed as an election bid, I choose to believe that he and Michelle manage to take time out to listen to and understand their children, and a big thumbs up to them for trying to see the world through their eyes.

  7. Lindy says:

    Also, the reason conservative women politicians like S Palin and Bachmann (and not liberal women politicians) get asked about whether they would be submissive to their husbands is because they run on a reactionary CHRISTIAN PLATFORM and use their extremely conservative evangelical Christianity as a tool to appeal to the masses and get elected. Well guess what, Bristol? When you claim to believe in that kind of Christianity–which pushes a submissive wives/husband as family leader and decision-maker–then expect people to ask a question like that.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      ^YES! Exactly what I was going to say.
      Of course you’ll be questioned on your religious beliefs when you put it center-stage on your political platform.

      This girl’s head is so far up her ass, she just has zero sense of self-awareness and seemingly lacks the ability to understand the world around her. Or maybe she understands but has zero ability to detect the hypocrisy she perpetuates.

  8. Marianne says:

    I think it’s super hilarious that she thinks kids should grow up in a home with a mother and father only and it’s like…”Where is your kid’s father?”. Does your son see him every day?

  9. Hmmmm... says:

    She is so arrogant and ignorant. The idea of marriage has already evolved so much. In the past, marriages were generally arranged for mostly political or economic purposes and men with means could whore around on the side. It’s evolved to include an equal partnership. Should we go back to a time where women were subservient to their husbands? This is what ppl like Bristol Palin don’t understand. We’ve progressed so far as a society and can’t turn back the progress. That happened in history before and it was called the DARK ages. Whether it be tomorrow, ten days, or ten years from now gay marriage is going to become completely acceptable because the times and people are changing. Why fight the inevitable and hurt millions of ppl in the process?

  10. gee says:

    Dear Bristol Palin:

    Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get gay married. I hope your son is straight as an arrow so he never has to feel the brunt of the mean words you say.

    As a Republican, you want LESS government, not more rules aimed at personal, private lives.

    Love, a Republican with half a brain.

    • atlantapug says:

      Actually, Libertarians (like me) want less government in ALL aspects.

      Republicans want free markets and personal responsibility.

      Social conservatives, a sub-sect of the GOP that would include Bristol Palin, are the ones who want a “moral code” based on their religious views.

      Just clarifying for you. :)

      • gee says:

        You are right on all counts, I didn’t consider her so right wing with the whole teenage mom thing. As a blanket statement though, Republicans do not want the government in their bedroom. These scary-conservatives should just call themselves Tea Party like they really are.

  11. Steph says:

    My thing is, Bristol is how old again? 21? When she has learned real valuable lessons and experienced what she is saying and live by her words then she has every right to voice her opinion. In my opinion, it’s great that she has a voice and is saying what she thinks but no one goes around saying something about what she tells her son (even though he’s still a toddler), if Obama wants to tell his daughters that, then let him

  12. justalark says:

    Those who claim they are socially conservative yet vehemently reject gay marriage baffle me.

    Assuming the scientific evidence is correct and some people and animals are born gay (all are God’s creatures, by the way), isn’t it better for couples–regardless of sexual orientation–to be in loving, committed, respectful relatonships?

    The “logic” that assumes that heterosexuals are somehow living more moral lives (even if they are promiscuous and/or philandering) than devoted, monogamous gay couples is absurd.

    Why are straight people so threatened by gays? Isn’t love and commitment something to be celebrated in our crazy, often violent, world?

    • nina says:

      exactly – a model where relationships are committed, binding, and faithful would be the ideal setup for social conservatism. You would think they’d be all for making gays making honest men and women out of one another….lol

      Just goes to show you that it’s about tradition and knee-jerk resistance to change.

    • Maguita says:

      FYI, those people do not believe in “Scientific evidence”.

    • justalark says:

      So true! My neighbor was one of those ultra conservative Christians who always rejected science (over the Bible) UNTIL her daughter became clinically depressed and needed medication…and her son came out to her while he was in college! Now she sings a different tune because she has learned firsthand that people do not choose to have mental illness nor do they choose to be gay! Now if only one of her children would fall in love with someone with a different religious background, political affiliation, ethnic or racial heritage, etc.! LOL

  13. Amy says:

    I wonder if her mother wrote this….(and God help little Tripp if he’s gay).

  14. Asli says:

    Honestly, I’d like to see these people in a minority for ONE DAY and see what they’d think then. Ugh. They can’t nitpick what they choose to believe either you take every part of your religion as truth or you ignore it all together. I get so frustrated with people who only pick what’s convinient for them to believe in. Is it THAT important to you to feel superior? Really? Ugh, life’s too short. Worry about what’s going on in YOUR life before butting in with other normal, healthy, lovely, respectable people.

    Did you know that right now – gay people in relationships can have kids, pay their taxes, be responsible, active citizens but they’re still not allowed to see their partner if something horrible happens, they’re still not allowed to share health insurance. It’s ridiculous. The love of someone’s life/ a parent dies because of some stupid, outdated law that shouldn’t even be there to begin with.

    • bluhare says:

      Proud to say in my state domestic partner coverage is routinely offered in employer medical/dental benefits.

    • Rin says:

      I personally think that’s crap and should never be. Who is a hospital to deny people visitors and support? Its all a part of the control based system.

      Asli, no one gives you the right to love and bond yourself to for the rest of your life. You already have it. The only thing they’re doing is denying you, first, then giving you what you ought to have had in the first place. That’s a corrupt system at its core.

      We have certain inalienable rights that the government can neither give or take away. The idea that they can is a joke.

      • H26 says:

        If a person becomes incapacitated and has not appointed their own DPOA for health care, then treatment decisions, who can visit that reverts to parents and/or siblings.So say you have a homesexual person who’s family never approved of the partner, they can bar the partner from visiting or having any say in treatment. The hospital has to go with the person who is making the health care decisions, weather we agree or not, for legal reasons.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      That’s always been one of my major issues with religion in general, Asli-it’s too easy to manipulate in order to support inconsistencies. Now if it is someone’s PERSONAL belief in god-who cares? People can nitpick away-doesn’t affect ME. My issue is when it bleeds into politics (separation of church and state my ass) and it starts affecting MY ability to make choices for ME.

  15. Elisabeth says:

    maybe that little hooker should try getting married ONCE before she lectures about others getting married

  16. lucy2 says:

    Reading that makes me very, very grateful that I was raised by parents who taught me to think for myself, and who never taught bigotry and discrimination.

    Her argument is ignorant, uninformed, and insulting – and not at all surprising. She’s basically suggesting that Pres. Obama should have told his daughters that their friends parents are ‘less than’ because they happen to be gay. And that a parent shouldn’t consider their own children’s perspective important. So sad.

    Plus, I would imagine there are many children of same sex parents out there who have “done better growing up” than the Palin children have. For such a conservative family, they don’t seem to get the marriage before babies thing and the kids seem to have had their share of trouble.

  17. Franny says:

    you know what else has been a school if thought for thousands of years? Slavery. Moron

  18. Franny says:

    Also, he didn’t say “my daughters think gay marriage should be allowed” so he quickly changed his nine. Seriously, people are so dense.

  19. emma says:

    If we did everything by tradition the world would never evolve… Many cultures used not allow mixed race marriages… Ipso facto we should ban those too???

  20. Kristin says:

    I didn’t realize there were still people who thought Bristol Palin’s opinion was relevant. Who takes that whiny, spoiled, uncharitable brat seriously?

    • Jenna says:

      You would be surprised…

      And then shocked. Horrified. And likely a little bit nauseous.

      The girl is being shilled as “The Voice Of Young Female Republicans” – HARD on private campuses, in churches, pretty much wherever young, white, legalistic girls are sheltered/shoved into total conformity.

      As someone who was raised in that (and ran as fast as her backside could go the moment it became possible) crap, her ‘thoughts’ are just the crest of the wave. It gets a lot worse the deeper you wade.

  21. Miss Lafleur says:

    This little slut is an imbecile just like her mother. Live and let live! And how old is her son? I think it’s time to get rid of the binky bitch.

  22. Marley says:

    I think the whole timing of the President’s announcement is circumspect…he suddenly had an epiphany that Gay Marriage is ok? um no. He saw the poll numbers and decided to pull out the wildcard more likely. It sums up what I’ve always thought about President Obama…he’s just not a genuine person. Neither is elitist Romney though..ugh election 2012 is such a disappointment already. I’m ready for a 3rd party.

    • ahoyhoy says:

      Marley, you couldn’t be more wrong. The presidency has to be won through the Electoral College, and the 7 or so ‘swing states’ who will decide the election, are very split about Gay Marriage, if not mostly against it. North Carolina is very important, and they just voted to make it illegal the day before, 61% against. Whether you like the President or not, this is a very risky stance as far as the 2012 election goes, and he knows it.
      You are really being overly cynical; the votes of people who believe in Marriage Equality were already safely in the Obama column. Just a few hundred votes in one state can turn an election…Remember 2000? This is a risky stand, but a stand of conscience.

    • fabgrrl says:

      Wow, a politician acting like a politician!

  23. Booka says:

    I don’t see why this person is getting press time for her comments. She’s stuck in a time warp where her own hate and homophobia live, not moving forward, not learning. She’s dumb and irrelevant and needs to go away.

  24. Rhiley says:

    She’s just uptight cause gay people can enjoy all the sex they want and not get knocked in the process… (I kid. I kid. (sort of)).

    • Linny says:

      To a extent, I think you’re right. She’s bitter about her lot in life. But you know what? She controlled the deck of cards from which hers were dealt. She pisses and moans about being picked on by the media and then turns around and pulls this stunt. Count your blessings and step out of the ring, Bristol. You’d be less of a target if you took the bulls eye off your back.

  25. Johanna says:

    This is the same chick who got knocked up in the woods on wine coolers, child out of wedlock & didn’t even bother to get her high school diploma as an example to her son, & couldn’t be bothered to vote. The only reason this is all relevant is because if she gets to meddle in peoples private lives & insult 2 little girls – who happen to show a hell of a lot of maturity than we’ve ever seen her display- than we get to pull out her (pathetic) history of the astounding(ly stupid) human being that she is.

    Edit: I forgot this loser never got married. I don’t keep up with this zero. Such authority on marriage…

  26. Dibba says:

    Can’t even read it. Who cares what she thinks? Really, I would be more interested in going to the local trailer park and randomly knocking on doors and asking the people who answer what they think. It is beyond my comprehension why anyone cares about anything she has to say. I’ll never forgive McCain for inflicting this family on us.

  27. some bitch says:

    Ugh! Somebody needs to clean her clock! The Palins are filthy, manipulative liars and ever since the Giffords shooting I’ve wanted karma to bite Sarah and Bristol hard in the ass.

  28. fabgrrl says:

    So, listening to other people (Obama’s daughters) and being thoughtful, intelligent, and insightful enough to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and see things from a different perspective, is the same thing to submitting your will and decision-making power to someone else? Because some organization tells you that that is what the invisible man in the sky wants you to do?

    Although, I do think that Obama’s story is horsesh*t. I think he has always supported marriage equality and the LGBT community, but hasn’t been able to come right out and say it.

    Also, Bristol, your kid is waaaay too old for that pacifier!

  29. VV says:

    Bristol Palin is yet another failure brought to you by Sarah Palin. You can tell a lot about a person by their children and the people they become…

    She is not an impressive individual at all and despite my disgust and the chills I got reading this blog entry, I feel sorry for the girl. Totally out of her league!

  30. Linny says:

    She’d be much better off if she just ceased thinking completely.

  31. jc126 says:

    Such cajones, seriously. She gets pregnant out of wedlock as a teen and subsequently goes around lecturing people on why they should practice abstinence; she talks about how important fathers are when she is raising her kid alone and was impregnated by a guy who is now having a baby with someone else (I saw him referred to as the Alaskan K Fed yesterday).
    She talks about how shallow Hollywood is when she is trying to sell a reality show – she’s done that twice.

    • lucy2 says:

      Great points, such hypocrisy.
      Her own parents seem to have failed her in that way, and she’ll probably do that to her son too.

    • Rin says:

      Well, I can see why she’d preach abstinence…she just had a child with one of the most useless creatures on the planet. Hypocrisy is: do as I say, not as I do. Wisdom is: do as I say, not as I did.

      As for the rest, I agree. She’s done nothing with her life. She’s just Sarah Palin’s daughter and gets a useless reality show–like we don’t have 50 million of them. However, why does anyone care at all about anything she says? She’s never achieved anything with her own life, is not a subject matter expert and….

      it really isn’t her business what gays and lesbians choose to call their relationships. Whether or not I’m a big fan of “marriage” is no one’s concern, just as her opinion is none of mine.

      • jc126 says:

        It could be wisdom from someone with a brain in their head. But I think it will also send a mixed message to her son when he gets older, like will he wonder if she would’ve preferred not to have had him? It’s the sort of thing that could give a kid a complex.
        Of course, in this case, he’s the reason she’s made money at a few dopey endeavors.

  32. Dawn says:

    The media is to blame for giving this creature any sort of platform to espouse her beliefs on how other people should live their lives. She on the other hand is free to live as she pleases. Hypocrite is too good a word to waste on her. With her limited education she is sure not to understand the meaning anyway. What has she done to garner such media attention anyway? Nothing.

  33. operagirl says:

    Cosign on everything everyone else says against her above, and . . . WHY does that twit have a booksigning, when she didn’t write the book? She used a ghostwriter. Basically she told her a few stories and the ghostwriter wrote the book. So WHY does she have a freaking booksigning??????

    UGH!!!

  34. Messenger says:

    Far be it for me to support a palin but there is nothing wrong with this woman expressing her views. As a Christian i understand what she is saying. we do believe that the husband is the head of the household and in matters pertaining to the marriage he has the deciding vote in a tie. but a woman president would be doing her job and be the authority there, so why would she defer to her husband, who is not the elected official? this is more convoluted thinking and people who do not understand our beliefs should refrain from comment (if only). ms palin i think what impressed President Obama was the fact that his daughters accepted without judgment the same sex household of their friends. to them it was no big deal, certainly not the big deal many adults make of it. My understanding of Scripture is that when we have a question, as I did, when I saw no harm in people who love each other wanting to marry (God’s preference) He writes Scripture on our hearts, i.e. He gives us new understanding of written Scripture if we seek it. Jeremiah 31:33: ….I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts…. Out of the mouth of babes, the bible also says. Perhaps the President was listening with his heart as well as keeping an open mind. I trust President Obama precisely because he listens and reflects. I believe anyone can teach us and change us. God works through everyone. Even the people republicans deem unworthy and beneath them. Even people who are homeless, use food stamps, and have no one. some could be ivy-league graduates. Some could be smarter than you.

    • Linny says:

      Don’t speak for all Christians, please. There are different sects with different beliefs and interpretations.

      • Messenger says:

        dear linny, i would never presume to speak for all Christians. however, if i may jump to a conclusion, given your poor reading comprehension and snotty judgemental attitude i will presume you are a republican.

      • operagirl says:

        Well said, Linny.

        And Messenger, the problem that Linny was trying to point out is that you said, “As a Christian….. We do believe…” Which meant you were painting with rather a large brush. I don’t think Linny was being what you accused her of at all.

        BTW, this may shock you, but not all Christians think of the man as the head of the household with the deciding vote. Personally I believe I have an equal voice to my husband in my marriage. We have times where his vote weighs more, and we have times where mine weighs more, depending on how strongly either of us feel about the issue at hand.

        Shocking, I know. But it’s a give and take. It is most definitely not “He is in charge.”

        Also, I don’t see Celebitchy as a place to be spouting Scripture. Thanks.

    • Messenger says:

      ugh operagirl i think i had similar discourse with the two of you about a different subject although you both used different names (possibly you are the same person idk). delightful as that was, i don’t care to repeat the process so i will decline to comment on your inner life. but, i will say that i will spout Scripture anywhere the Spirit moves me, just so ya know….and bully for you about being equal and all.

      • MacScore says:

        @ messenger: whoah! Scrolling down through all of this, I’ve been pretty impressed with the openness and fair-mindedness of the discourse…. until I got to your comments. Please leave your conceited arrogant “Christian” stance at the door.

        More generally: I used to live in North Carolina, where I married. when I applied for my marriage certificate, I do remember that one of the things we had to state, was that we were not related to each other closer than cousins in the 2nd degree.

        So, okay to marry a distant family member, but by gosh, better not be the same sex.

        Thank you Obama for listening to the people around you and for showing _true_ leadership – this is one thing I do concur with.
        Keep the dialogue open and respectful, and state your positions on voting day!

    • Nan209 says:

      My hubby’s favorite saying is ” happy wife, happy life”. My sons favorite complaint is ” why do we always do what mom wants” to which my hubby responds with his favorite saying as I’ve shared above. We laugh about it because its kinda true.

      However, real decisions are made 50/50. I may decide where eat but WE decide the major issues together. We advise each and compromise or defer when one is known have better knowledge than the other…and that shifts. We are equals.

  35. MollyB says:

    If we hadn’t changed “thousands of years of history” with regards to marriage already, this little moron would have her ass in a convent right now and her kid would be in an orphanage. Or, best case scenario, she’d be married to Levi Johnson and she’d be home washing his socks whether she wanted to be married to him or not.

  36. Daphne says:

    Hallelujah! God bless those gay men who never need to marry this woman.

  37. Miffy says:

    Oh, Bristol, you walking argument against free speech.

    I’m actually astonished that in 2012 someone in the public eye (corner of the public eye, but public eye nonetheless) can be so openly hateful.

    Despite its (comparatively) more considered wording I don’t consider her blog entry any less disgraceful than Mel Gibson’s anti-semitic rant.

  38. txmom says:

    The thing that jumped out at me was Bristol dragging the Obama girls into this after Obama very quickly and firmly made it clear in the 2000 race that Bristol’s situation was strictly out of bounds in his campaign — even reminding everyone that his own mother was a teen mom.

    Way to take the high road, Bristol. Not that anything she says or does makes a lot of sense to me.

    • Chatcat says:

      I don’t agree with Palin’s point on this issue but be honest, Obama himself brought (dragging as you say) his girls into by stating when he announced his position on this issue and HE said he conferred with his wife and his daughters and has had long discussions with them…unfortunately he opened that door all by himself. If he didn’t want them exposed then he should not have brought them into the equation and admit that it was part of his decision (not that talking with them isn’t valid) but he upped the ante in this case.

      • bluhare says:

        He was discussing them in terms of his family and how they discuss their lives together, which is commendable in my opinion.

        What he was saying about Bristol was he wasn’t going to use her (wasn’t she pregnant at the time?) in negative campaign ads against McCain. Totally different, again in my opinion.

      • txmom says:

        Yeah, it would have been better if he hadn’t mentioned them, but when he did, it was just a few phrases. Bristol made a huge article all about them with a big photo and headline about them. So I still think she is tacky.

        I think the best thing to do for Bristol and her kid is ignore her. Attention is the rope she is using to hang herself.

  39. Andrea says:

    Does she have political aspirations? Seriously, why is she writing this stuff? Or more accurately, why is she employing a ghostwriter to write this stuff for her? There is no way she is capable of this kind of thought / writing style, does she even have a high school diploma? Who in their right mind writes: “…we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home” when they, themselves, are single mothers. I’m embarrassed to admit, I find the whole Palin fiasco kind of intriguing and often wonder what it is they’re trying to achieve. Does Bristol think she’s an up-and-coming republican, just like Sarah did when she lost the 2008 election?

  40. Gravels says:

    Why do blogs like celebitchy as well as MSM elevate people like Bristol Palin by publishing their tweets and web posts? Bristol has never held office,she has never attended college..so what makes her a major political voice for the conservatives?

    • Veruca says:

      Thanks Gravels –

      Building on your point, why do any sites (including this one, which I love) even give this family any press? It’s well established (here anyway), that none of us want to hear what this family has to say, yet the media keeps telling us what they’re saying strictly to piss us off and gain readership. It’s pathetic.

      I hope all the gossip sites pull a ban on this clan (hey, that rhymes!) like they did with Speidi.

      In all honesty, I’d rather hear listen to those two for eternity than ever hear another word from the Palins.

      • Chatcat says:

        “Building on your point, why do any sites (including this one, which I love) even give this family any press? It’s well established (here anyway), that none of us want to hear what this family has to say, yet the media keeps telling us what they’re saying strictly to piss us off and gain readership. It’s pathetic. I hope all the gossip sites pull a ban on this clan (hey, that rhymes!) like they did with Speidi.”

        Are you an American? Because in America we learn in elementary school (even the Catholic and Christians schools teach it too) about a little thing called the First Amendment of the Constitution. You may not like this family but to assume “It’s well established (here anyway), that none of us want to hear what this family has to say” is doing a disservice to CB, Kaiser, Bedhead and all who contribute to CB, besides being completely immature.

        And what is ironic really is you are ranting and raving about this family because their views DIFFER from yours and yet the whole topic is tolerance of differences (i.e. sexuality, religion beleifs, values). Seems you may have missed American History 101 but aced Hypocrisy 101.

      • Amanda G says:

        Because of page views and comments. When we stop looking and commenting, then they will stop posting about it. This is why I don’t click on anything Kardashian anymore.

      • Veruca says:

        @Chatcat –

        Wow! Hostile much? I’ve no problem with free speech, however, where does Bristol Palin — an absolute mockery of all Christian values, and an absolute nobody — get off preaching to anyone about how they should live their lives?

        So, you can be a total hypocrite and judge others (yes — that thing Christ said not to do), but she doesn’t have to take any slings and arrows?

        Sorry, but I have a problem with a society that takes their direction from people who’ve (in my opinion) done nothing to deserve that power.

        I’d have the same problem if this were Kim Kardashian or Lindsay Lohan, as well.

        And I suggest you give up caffeine. Your vile behavior makes you quite unattractive.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        It IS free speech. You don’t have to agree with it and if it bothers you-don’t read it. Honestly, who is taking “direction” from this chick? You are giving her too much credit. People who already subscribe to her way of thinking will endorse her views and those that disagree (like myself) will laugh at her. She’s not swaying a nation with her lame blog. Regardless, as I always say, silencing people isn’t the answer. We, as a society, make progress and break down barriers through open dialogue and sometimes that means Bristol Palin posting something controversial which prompts people to digest, discuss and respond. Personally, I love that C/B posted this crap. I’m having an effin’ blast! :)

      • Chatcat says:

        Veruca…I don’t drink caffeine but thank you for the concern of my health. As far as hostile, I am not the one spewing hate on a 21 year old on here nor am I speaking for everybody else on this blog or anywhere else. I am not the one who thinks, let alone wrote, “It’s well established (here anyway), that none of us want to hear what this family has to say”. I just don’t want you speaking or thinking for me because, well you have no right to do that. I value dialog in many forms, even if very different views are offered from mine…yes even yours so when you say “none of us want to hear” it begs me to tell you, that for me you are wrong and the constitution and the blog offered here by CB gives me that right to express it! I can disagree with you as easily as I can the Palins…and still not be a hater.

      • flan says:

        Chatcat, you were too hostile in my opinion. You could have said that without the condescending tone.

        That said, I’m happy this topic appeared on this website. Not so much because of Palin, but of the discussion that evolved from it.

  41. keats says:

    Bristol finally breaks her legendary silence on this issue!

  42. veruca darling says:

    What really drives me crazy in politics is that it seems to be impossible to change your mind. It scares me a little that politicians are expected to form an opinion and stick to it. How about growing with age and perhaps rethinking your previous ideals? Why is that such a big deal?

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I used to completely subscribe to your way of thinking. I never understood the whole “flip-flopper” label that was pushed upon politicians that seemed more maleable/open to change. Never understood why it was viewed as a negative. I have since changed my mind. After voting for Obama (I still stand by my choice BTW) and spending the past two years reading every article about the administration that I could get my hands on, I realize how idealistic that view was. Flexibility only works in politics if EVERYONE is flexible. The problem is that politics=a bunch of 13-year-olds fighting over who’s team is cooler. If you’re not on ONE team and all for ONE team, then you are targeted as “weak” and you WILL get steam-rolled. My biggest issue with Obama is that he tows the line to much. I know that was kind of his platform but I wish he was more hard-left, more staunchly Dem because I think that’s how you need to play it in politics. That being said, I still like Obama and I will definitely vote for him again. I just wish he stood up for himself and his sham of a political party more often.

  43. janie says:

    LMAO. What a dumbass. There’s a difference between a woman “obeying” her husband’s commands because God told her to, and allowing the women in your life to express opinions that may change your perspective on something. It’s not like Michelle ORDERED Barack to change his opinions, she just taught him to be more tolerant.

    She is SUCH an idiot and clearly her mother’s daughter. Can’t they just go away?

  44. The Original Mia says:

    Not sure why this non-entity has a blog, a platform, or anything to be honest. The day I take a word out of a Palin’s mouth as something valid or newsworthy, is the day I check myself in the psych ward for evaluation.

  45. Green_Eyes says:

    Lol Kaiser, you picked a great one for Friday… See a lot of debates on. Friday. Great Blog, sadly your right she is a Celebrity and sadly by the Media Frenzy and People’s fascination w/ her crazy mom…..

    • Chatcat says:

      Green Eyes I agree with you right up until you use the word “crazy” to describe her mom…I personally don’t like this family nor do I agree with their views but I will not be so hypocrytical on this thread. I just think of all the mental midgets that have come on here to berate and hate on the Palins which is them saying and doing exactly the same thing they are berating and hating the Palins for! The irony is making me shake my head. I just can’t help but be glad I am not so small minded.

      • Green_Eyes says:

        I stand corrected. Chat cat, let’s say her mother’s there rather out there views. Personally I don’t think she could have gotten as far as she had (I would hope not) in State Government unless she was Politically savvy and had knowledge of how the Govt. works. So I wonder how much is an act pandering to the frenzy the media and she created regarding her persona. Her views are scary, but as far as keeping herself relevant to her demograph…Palin sadly seems Crafty.

      • zebre says:

        Did you honestly use the phrase ‘mental midgets’ in the same sentence where you called out people for being hateful? The word midget is considered to be extremely offensive, not to mention outdated.

        If you’re going to get up on your moral high horse, do it right-don’t toss around slurs like that, please.

  46. HappyJoyJoy says:

    Ah this little twat has no room to speak. If having a mommy and a daddy influences kids so much, she would have stuck it out with that tool she decided to procreate with even though their IQs combined wouldn’t make it past Forest Gump level. Go away, Bristol Palin. Go Away.

  47. HappyJoyJoy says:

    Influenced* I can’t type this morning…. sorry

  48. OXA says:

    Religion is a personal choice.
    Gender is assigned at birth.

  49. QoFE says:

    I’m Christian and conservative on most issues. The gay issue…..meh. Who cares? All the antis who are so concerned need to check themselves.. They were not put here to judge, that is why God created free will….so we, as humans, have the ability to choose. (not saying being gay is a choice) God is the one who will judge. Personally, I say have at it gay people…..you can get a taste of what us heteros have to go through ;)

  50. Beatrice says:

    As Lainey (from Lainey Gossip) might say…

    Bristol Palin, SIT DOWN!

    Why can’t she just raise her child and leave the rest of us alone?

  51. annaloo. says:

    If the Obama girls are watching too much Glee, then Bristol is watching WAY too much 16 & Pregnant. THIS BITCH.

  52. Jaded says:

    Does anyone remember “Foamy the Squirrel” and his hilarious rants (actually quite accurate!) – see this as it speaks to same-sex marriage and the idiocy of the Bristol Palin’s of the world really well. (Some NSFW language BTW…)

    http://dating.failblog.org/2012/05/10/dating-fails-foamy-the-squirrel-has-a-thing-or-two-to-say-about-gay-marriage/

  53. benny says:

    She should stick to commenting on what she knows: how to have unprotected sex; how to make money off of telling others not to have unprotected sex; and plastic surgery.

  54. hmm says:

    She’s too stupid to realize that by her own words he is doing her son a disservice by being a single unmarried mother. She is proving herself to be as ignorant as her mother and that’s saying something.

  55. Alexis says:

    It’s super incoherent to be against gay marriage. I am pretty socially conservative as are many of my friends and relatives. Some people I know are pro-life (I’m not, though) and I think that position makes sense. But nobody I know is against marriage equality (even though some people I know think being gay is a sin). I hate how pro-life and gay marriage go together, because they’re different types of issues.

    Honestly, I think being against marriage equality can only rest on bigotry. It’s not about your religion or your church. Nobody’s saying you need to marry a person of your gender, or invite same sex couples into your faith.

    Being against marriage equality comes down to taking away the opportunity to commit from people you don’t even know because of who they are. No matter how one dances around the issue, that’s just prejudice. I think Justice Kennedy has got this one, though. Do Rs want to be on the wrong side of history?

  56. spinner says:

    Take a good honest look at the comments on this thread & your faith in humanity will be destroyed.

  57. Helene says:

    What the hell does she know about marriage anyway? She’s a knocked up unwed mom. I don’t care about anything that she has to say.

  58. CaramelKiss says:

    At the end of the day, everyone deserves to be miserable and in a boring marriage. With the divorce rate at 50% and growing, why should hetero’s get all of the judge’s time in family court? LMAO.

  59. TXCinderella says:

    I’m probably in the minority here, but I don’t believe in gay marriage. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman and I think this just cheapens the sanctity of marriage. I don’t have anything against gay persons, I have a gay brother, and even he doesn’t think gay marriage is right. I do believe however, that there should be some kind of civil recognition so that gay couples would be able to legally get insurance for, or make medical decisions for their significant other. Call it an old fashioned belief, and I’m not saying I’m right and everyone else is wrong, but these are the beliefs that I was raised with and still hold those beliefs in my adult life. I respect the views that others have on this subject, even though they may differ from mine though.

    • fabgrrl says:

      Hey, that’s cool. Believe what you believe. No one wants to change that. But don’t assume your BELIEFS get to dictate the RIGHTS of others.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I just don’t understand how it “cheapens” marriage ya know? Why do two PEOPLE who love each other getting married cheapen an institution that is already pretty corrupt. And by corrupt I mean-divorce, infidelity, pre-nups etc etc. These all scrape away at the santity and purity of the idealistic view of marriage. Times have changed right? Marriage is not what it was at its inception and I think it’s time for a new way of thinking. I 100% respect your opinion and the way you expressed it. I just don’t understand why anyone would desire to deprive others of something that you and I are entitled to. What is the pay off? What’s the benefit for us?

    • Jordan says:

      Hetero’s did a good job cheapening the sanctity of marriage all by themselves. Your beliefs should be reflected in YOUR marriage, not dictated to others’ marriages.

    • Tiffany says:

      The thing is, “marriage” in the US doesn’t mean that you have to subscribe to religious doctrine. Atheists can get married. People can be married and have open marriages. Inter-faith couples can get married. These are all legal.

    • Janet says:

      So who, in your opinion, cheapens the sanctity of marriage more: a loving and stable gay couple who have been together 20 or more years, or Newt Gingrich with his God-knows-how-many wives?

  60. Asli says:

    Hi, OriginalKitten :) *waves*

    Just wanted to say that I agree with everything you’ve posted – as usual :D

  61. Jordan says:

    If the word ‘marriage’ is defined by religion, then I don’t think it should be regarded at ALL by the gov’t. Everyone (hetero and homo- sexuals) should have to enter into a civil union if they wanted to join with another person for tax/benefit purposes. That would make it equal. If you also wanted a ‘marriage’ ceremony, go to the church of your choice but only the civil union would be recognized by the gov’t.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Jordan, kudos to you for your very intelligent, sensible comment.

      It is pretty contradictory that we have to pay the county to obtain “permission” to marry (marriage license/certificate) yet Church and State are supposedly separate.

      I beg to differ, citing our current political climate.

    • Tiffany says:

      Jordan, good point!

      The good thing is that in our country, “marriage” is NOT tied to religion. Atheists can get married. Inter-faith couples can get married, etc. All things that would not be allowed by the church (not to mention that we have over 10,000 religions and denominations that exist in the US, so whose religion would dictate the law?).

      As the law sees it, “marriage” is the unity of 2 estates. Most people get their marriage license from the office of deeds.

      • It is ME!! says:

        “Most people get their marriage license from the office of deeds.”

        Even if you get married in a church, you STILL have to go to the courthouse to apply for the marriage license. So, change “most” to “all” and you have it exactly right.

        Marriage is a CIVIL issue. You can make it a religious one if you so choose.

  62. the original bellaluna says:

    Who gives a fig what Bristol thinks? She’s an idiot, like her mother.

  63. maemay says:

    Next NC should start stoning single mothers again…better yet outlaw pork so miss piggy can lose some weight.

  64. Rory says:

    I cannot believe, wow, just how much plastic surgery she has had. It’s nearly as extensive as Megan Fox’s. Except what’s she famous for?

  65. Hécate says:

    I live in a South american country. We live with the stigma of being third world, but I see this asinine declarations (by B. Palin) and I feel first world all the way.In my country we have civil unions and nobody, besides church, go and said nothing against it. It was time thought everyone. Gay couples can adopt,and nobody cares. Since 1998 we have politicians in the first line at the gay pride march. Now we are in te process of gay marriage. The congress will pass it, the votes are like 8 in 10. For me and the mayority of my country, gay marriage and gay rights are human rights, there is no questioning.

  66. skuddles says:

    Bristol should shut the hell up. What one thing has she done in her life that is actually thought provoking, important, interesting, selfless, good for humanity? She’s a no-cred moron with a big foolish yap, that is all.

  67. TheOriginalVictoria says:

    @Rin I am so there with you on everything you said. I went in to “marriage” with love being really the lowest factor on the totem pole. It’s not that it wasn’t there because it certainly was but like many people in my culture it was more about other things that were more a priority. Marrying for love is nice but that’s not what I ever thought it was exclusively for.

    I disagree with homosexuality. It is my choice based on faith, personal experience and just my own reasoning but I support gay rights, civil unions, or whatever the hell they want to call it. Why? Because what the hell does my belief have to do with yours? I’m trying to get to my final resting place the way I feel is right for me, not for anyone else. And as long as you aren’t shoving your agenda down my throat, I will return the favor and pray your journey through life is being traveled the way you want it. I dare anyone to tell me what, who, when, how, or why in my life. I don’t have the right to deny someone the same based on a faith that is not their own. That’s just stupid.

    It is ridiculous that same sex partners in a committed relationship that is long term cannot get the same benefits as hetero married heteros. They are working citizens of this country too and being gay doesn’t make you a non U.S. citizen right?

    I do agree that if a Republican woman would have said that her husband and children made her change her views she would be torn to shreds. There is an imbalance that liberals refuse to own up to. Some are just as bad the conservatives with their hypocrisy and “my way or the highway” routine. Extreme liberalism and conservatism sickens me.

    Meet in the middle and move on so we can resolve more important issues than who us bumping privates with whom.

  68. Kim says:

    Regardless of how one feels about gay marriage Obama “suddenly” accepting it and using his daughters as an excuse reeks of opportunity/votes.

    To me its kind of a slap in the face to gays.

  69. Lizzie says:

    I wonder what out of touch right wing political advisor of hers wrote this. It certainly wasn’t Bristol Palin, or any Palin for that matter. Tired of the Palin’s feeding negative ideas to already fanatical right wing nuts for monetary gain.

  70. daisyfly says:

    Sorry, honey, but you can’t cherry pick which parts of the bible we should obey and which ones we shouldn’t. You are a walking example of what it means to be a religious hypocrite and the last person anyone should turn to for advice, whether political, religious, moral, or otherwise.

  71. Issa says:

    Some people of faith have very little hope of good outcomes of the unknown. They assume their faith will lead them to an after-life but have little faith in giving rights to certain Americans. America is a country built on the philosophy of providing rights for all citizens. People shouldn’t be given rights solely because they’re minorities, women, children, etc. They should be given rights because they’re Americans. Don’t understand why people of faith are some of the most pessimistic, non-trustung,scared people in America.

  72. Kayla says:

    Bristol is slutty. She shouldn’t be judging gays.

  73. Kitty says:

    I am so proud that Obama has come out in support of marriage equality. It means so much to the gay community and it is pivotal for equality in our society. I live in Australia though and there are a tonne of homophobes here who oppose same sex marriage. Both major (and very shitty parties) oppose same sex marriage which is ridiculous as our prime minister is an atheist who is in a defacto relationship. Very bizarre.

  74. mollie says:

    Why are people discussing this as though these are Bristol’s words? Her idiotic hateful fantasy blog is ghost-written by Nancy French, most likely at Sarah’s behest. It is disgusting.

  75. Laura says:

    Really bugs me when people of any religion get on this whole “holier than thou” thing. I was raised Catholic but no longer practice, and it shocks me how people who preach about how religious they are actually go against their own religion’s rules all day long, but are too ignorant to know otherwise. You know, if a Muslim was saying gay people shouldn’t get married, I guarantee there would be uproar, but because a Christian says it it’s okay.

    • It is ME!! says:

      Laura, I am a very lapsed Catholic, but my mother is still practicing. She is very religious, and not only has gay friends and family, but supports gay marriage, gay adoption, and abortion rights for women (despite not ever wanting an abortion for herself). She doesn’t judge people for being gay, or having an abortion, or having a different religion than her (or no religion at all). She is the epitome of Christ-like action and belief. Perhaps Jennifer, below, should follow her example.

  76. Britt says:

    I’m thrilled that President Obama has changed his stance, it shows he is moving forward, which is so refreshing to see.

    I however, live in Australia where we have Prime Minister Julia Gillard who refuses to change her stance and will not show equality to gay people. So narrow minded, it’s not an attractive quality in a politician.

  77. ol cranky says:

    There is something inherently wrong with a belief that learning and growth in a parent-child relationship (or any healthy relationship) is unidirectional. It goes without saying that, in the Palin households, the only people whose thought and experiences create the worldview is Sarah and Todd and that rational conversation in which all don’t agree with the parents must be frowned upon – maybe that’s why Bristol completely ignored her mother’s advice about drinking and abstinence

  78. Jennifer says:

    There is an intrinsic link between marriage and procreation — why do liberals ignore this fact? Marriage should be between one man and one woman, NOT man and man, woman and woman, man and dog, monkey, elephant, lamp etc.

    I may just be the only conservative reading CeleBitchy!

  79. LeeLoo says:

    What I fail to understand is how is it anyone else’s business the gender of the married persons? As long as 2 consenting adults choose to get married to one another I fail to see why it is anyone else’s business.

    Also, no one is forcing clergy to perform these marriage ceremonies. If gay marriage is against your religion then don’t perform the ceremony. However, these gay men and women deserve to have the same rights as any other married couple. They deserve to have that legal opportunity. It is unconstitutional that they are denied these rights.

  80. Str8Shooter says:

    What does this dumb little twit know about anything? I wonder if she’d feel the same way if the President said he supported TWO parents only raising children, and not some knocked-up little attention whore by herself.

    Apple very close to that tree.

  81. Jaded says:

    @Jennifer: The bible has been interpreted and reinterpreted by human beings to the point where it probably doesn’t resemble the original texts very much and cannot be relied upon as the absolute word of God. Furthermore, the world is made up of many people whose faith is not bible-based, but is nevertheless based on a moral code that embodies acceptance of good people, no matter what race, creed or sexual orientation. I am what is referred to as a spiritual secularist. Look it up if you’d care to expand your knowledge a bit. Intolerance and intransigence is what is causing 90% of this planet’s problems and that, my friend, is what will ruin society, not gay or lesbian partners being allowed to marry and raise children in a loving and nurturing environment.

  82. Jennifer says:

    I did not ask for comments on my post. I was simply stating my opinion.

    I believe that same-sex partners cannot form a real bodily union. Opposite sex couples are capable of forming a true marital union (this includes Infertile opposite-sex couples). Opposite-sex couples can perform sexual acts that CAN (but does not always) result in procreation.

    It’s not that complicated — in fact, nature has made it’s so, so simple.

    Have a wonderful day!! Life is too short to argue.

    • Maguita says:

      Jennifer, this comment is a lot more respectable than what you have spouted earlier!

      I do not agree with your point of view, but it is yours, and respectfully and concisely written.

      Your putting gay relationships in the same category as having sex with animals was just very wrong, and so much undeserving for so many Americans wanting badly to have the same rights as you do. No matter your beliefs. And telling someone to open a Bible… Because they don’t agree with you.

      But thank you for re-stating your opinion in such a respectful manner. And hope you enjoy a more peaceful day.

    • Jordan says:

      As far as nature goes, homosexual relationships have been observed in other species in nature – and not just b/c there were no females available, dominance etc. In fact, when given the opportunity to mate with opposite sex, it was rejected. So much for the nature theory.

      Your theory on the production of children making heterosexuals the only normal coupling is flawed because it is based on the assumption that we are somehow near extinction. This is not the case, but it is a good care tactic. There is no reason that having both heterosexual and homosexual couples on the planet are harmful to society.

      • NerdMomma says:

        Jordan, based on your posts today, I would literally vote for you for public office. Thank you for all of the intelligent and rational comments!!!

      • flan says:

        True. We are so far from extinction that it is good that some people don’t procreate. 7 billion where a hundred years ago we did not even have 2 billion. No wonder people are vying for jobs.

      • Jordan says:

        Thanks NerdMomma! I would like to also say that I think everyone is entitled to their beliefs and to practice them as long as they do not harm others. It is only b/c I think the indoctrination of Jennifer’s (and those like her) beliefs into our countries laws, thereby harming a group of minorities in favor of one religious view, is the reason that I will comment whenever I see an opposing view. If anyone was trying to take Jennifer’s right to practice her religion away b/c she was not the majority at that particular time in history, I would fight for her rights as well. I wish she could do the same for my friends, whom I love, that happen to be gay.

    • Issa says:

      Your shouldn’t post if you don’t want people to comment on it. Infertile couples? People that marry later in life? Their marriages aren’t valid?

    • jc126 says:

      Posts on here have a reply button, so don’t post if you don’t want a reply.
      As for “natural” nature – or your God – creates babies with both sets of genitalia, or an XXY chromosome, or a child who has no eyes or organs on the outside of its body. Nature creates cancer, aneurysms, and kills 20% of all pregnancies via miscarriage. So “nature” isn’t just what’s normal or the default condition.
      Now before you twist that and say I’m comparing gay people to diseases, I’m not. Look at the ordinary variety of differences in people: a gene mutation 10,000 years ago resulted in people being born with blue eyes, when previously everyone’s eyes were brown. So nature, or your God, created some people gay and some not. Why would God not want his gay children to be happy?

  83. original kate says:

    who gives a flying fig what this ham-faced nitwit thinks about anything? she is an uneducated, untalented hillbilly whose only accomplishent in life has been getting knocked up at 17.

    *yawn*

  84. BlackSwan777 says:

    Obama will say anything if it means being re-elected. Is anyone really surprised that he suddenly dropped this bombshell with elections right around the corner? And Bristol Palin wrote a biography about her life? ahahahah. What has she done with her life besides crap out a baby and appear on Dancing With The Stars?? Our country has become such an embarrassment *hangs head in shame*

  85. txmom says:

    You know what is extra weird about Bristol’s stance? The “thousands of years” of thinking on marriage mostly hasn’t been two people of the opposite sex. The Bible is really a poor guide to our modern sensibilities on marriage. The Old Testament/Tanakh includes lots of polygamy — including the ultimate patriarch, Abraham! In the New Testament, Jesus is definitely anti-divorce, but otherwise kind of “meh” on marriage. I get the impression Jesus was telling people not to get all tied down and married because they should be traveling around warning everyone about the end of days.

  86. Daniel says:

    Does anyone care about what Bristol Palin thinks? I sure as heck don’t. Especially when the woman says one thing and does another. I have absolutely no respect for her or for her.

  87. ezra says:

    Shut up dummy, now please just go away and do what you are best at-getting knocked up.

  88. Ange says:

    I really can’t understand her point anyway. She’s angry at Obama for a stance that was influenced by his children? Last I checked every uber-conservative out there was trying to pass laws that restrict the rights of others to supposedly ‘protect the children.’ I mean, ‘the children’ are their main form of argument, without it they’d just have to reveal themselves as the bigots they are.

  89. It is ME!! says:

    First of all, you DAMN WELL KNOW Bristol didn’t write all that.

    Second, re: Michele Bachmann on the submissive to her husband question. Didn’t she answer “yes”?! I can see why some Americans had a problem with her.

    Third of all, who DA FUQ listens to a word Bristol says, and most importantly, who buys her books? As if she has done anything interesting in her life (before or since having her baby)! She should concentrate on school and raising her kid. ‘Nuff said!!

  90. Heather says:

    She is simply saying that there is a double standard in Washington: when you do it, it is bad, but when he does it, it is commendable.
    Sort of like the old: when she sleeps around she’s a slut; when he sleeps around he’s a stud.

    I realize people are going to come out full force w/ negative comments since this is Bristol and she is a Palin.

    Too bad so many have to resort to ad hominem attacks, which are emotionally driven and not really intelligent.