It would truly suck to be the children of Guy Ritchie and Madonna this Christmas. While the arguing parents are apparently trying to outspend the other with over the top gifts for Rocco and David, even children that young know when they’re being used as pawns by and against the parents they love. Despite earlier reports that the boys would be spending Christmas with Guy and Madonna was invited to join them, or maybe because of it, Madonna has decided that an English Christmas wasn’t necessarily a done deal and the recently divorced parents are having their “people” fight it out.
Madonna and Guy Ritchie are at war over who will have their sons for Christmas.
The pair are arguing over whether Rocco, eight, and their adopted son David, two, should be with their mother in New York, or their father at his Wiltshire estate.
Film director Ritchie would like a traditional family Christmas with relatives at his Ashcombe House estate, a roast turkey and presents round the tree.
By contrast, a day at the 50-year-old singer’s home would involve four hours of her Kabbalah religion, with steamed fish and macrobiotic vegetables for lunch.
Both parents are said to be showering the children with more elaborate gifts despite pledges that they would not spoil them on their first Christmas apart.
A source close to the couple said: ‘Both Madonna and Guy want David and Rocco on Christmas Day.
‘Under the terms of the divorce, it is actually up to Guy and Madonna to sort out the access. It’s not set in stone who has the boys on which days. The arrangement is that Guy has the boys for a set number of days in the year. It’s a 50/50 agreement but there is a provision that their main residence should be New York.
‘The agreement is that Guy gets them four or five days a month in London, but that he can see them in New York, making the time anything up to two weeks a month.’
However, the fluid access arrangement appears to be causing problems. ‘Guy wants a traditional Christmas with his parents and the boys at Ashcombe but Madonna has just put her foot down and refused to allow it. She is just digging her heels in saying she want them with her in America.
‘They are at a total stalemate. Madonna and Guy simply do not liaise at all on anything anymore – it all goes through their PAs.’
[From Daily Mail]
Do the kids get to vote, because I would bet they would take pumpkin pie over tofu flan any Christmas! I think someone in this mess needs to ask the kids what they think. All three of those poor kids need someone to listen to them for once.
There isn’t a whole lot that disgusts me more than parents using their children against the other parent. I understand animosity after a divorce, I’ve been there, but trying to hurt your ex by using your kids hurts the kids way more than anything else. This is so painfully obvious to everyone who isn’t emotionally invested, but it seems to happen way too often. My heart goes out to those boys, and Lourdes, too. All the fantastic toys in the world won’t make up for feelings that are getting thrown at them.
Merry Christmas Lourdes, Rocco and David. Coal to both your parents
Guy Ritchie is shown outside his Punch Bowl pub on 12/10/08. Madonna is shown out with David on 11/21/08. Credit: WENN
O.o Poor children. I went through that with my parents… on a less wealthy scale ofc… Mom bitching over dads new wife, Dad bitching over moms career choice, both telling me the other parent sucks… oh yes.
Happy Holidays ! 🙄
“there is a provision that their main residence should be New York”
Of course, it doesn’t matter that their actual HOME has always been England, huh? Just because their whore of a mother wants to spread her legs in NY rather than England, that should dictate their living arrangements.
She is a horrible human being. All 3 of her kids should be removed from her custody. Does she not even consider the fact that little David is now losing his SECOND father and SECOND country—both times because of her actions?
I feel so sorry for those kids.
These kind of things are usually settled in the divorce agreement. Guy should have had his visitation rights ironclad. He knew who he was dealing with.
prissa the article says their divorce decree doesn’t name the exact days they have them.
That being said, I agree, ask the kids!!! I bet you five hundred bucks they’d pick a tree and roast turkey at a castle with their dad than four hours of Kabbalah (what the heck would that even entail?) and steamed fish. Ug.
You know, I am sure that Madonna has her childrens best interest at heart where their diet is concerned. Not my cup of tea but I understand. However as a Kabbalist(sp?) isn’t she Jewish? Why would she be interested in celebrating the birth of Christ? As a single mom, I get that she wants her kids around her during the holidays, but by choice Christmas is no longer her holiday. Very sad if true.
Well, nycmom100, she is not actually Jewish. Real Kabbalah is part of the Jewish faith, however, what she practices is more of a “Kabbalah Lite” that the Jewish faith denounces and does not recognize. Essentially, she belongs to a cult that has appropriated the name “kabbalah” even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with real Kabbalah.
Steamed fish & four hours of Kab-BAH-la sounds positively Dickensonian.
“Please, Ms. Queen of the World, may I throw up and go home?”
Team Turkey, Guy and NORMAL PEOPLE!
Thanks barneslr! I thought you needed to convert to practice Kabbalah.
So basically it is a new agey kind of thing she practices? A little of this a little of that. Oh boy!
Madonna is a petty, small, selfish little piece of gristle.
I hope Guy gets to spread some cheer around the lives of his boys for Christmas.
I like the way she’s oppressing her kids with her psuedo religion like she says she felt with Catholicism.
“So basically it is a new agey kind of thing she practices?”
Yes, it’s a New Age co-opt of a Jewish mystical tradition. It has nothing to do with actual Kabbalistic beliefs. If I were Jewish, celebrity Kabbalah would irritate me to no end. I’m not Jewish and it still irritates me.
Come on. Who can possibly know what Christmas with Madge will comprise? Apart from Madge. Pure speculation on the part of the DM. That aside, I hope Guy gets to do the traditional thing with the kids at Ashcombe. It just sounds so much nicer.
Go to http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm and you’ll find some good info. She practices Hermetic Kabbalah which anyone can, you don’t have to be Jewish – because she’s such an egomaniac, she fits right in with their wonky belief that they can change themselves and the world through the study and practice of “divine secrets”. Sounds right up there with Scientology….
Team Roast Turkey. Team Guy 4 Eva!
Madonna’s being very petty, surprise surprise. Whatever Kabbalah is or isn’t, it clearly isn’t in the ‘christian’ oriented camp and so Christmas has little or no bearing. So if she’s not going to celebrate it and wants the kids anyway she’s just being a bitch.
It’s only going to be until the boys reach 12. Then they can decide who they want to live with. hmmm…wonder who that might be…?
Leandra, it will still be a court battle. It’s really up to a judge in the end.
Well I’m not going to say who I agree with, where the kids should spend Christmas or how I feel about Madonna.
*cough*guyrichieenglandgrosszombiewoman*cough*
Sorry, that happens sometimes.
My mom and dad were divorced when I was two and my mom never once said a bad word about my dad. She didn’t complain about his witch of a new wife or his behaviour. In the 70s he was required to give her $100 for my brother and I $50 each and she didn’t go back to court ever to request more money. He very rarely paid even though he had a job always, she fended for us on her own without complaint to keep the piece. My mom wasn’t a door matt she just knew trying to deal with him was futile.
My step mother and father on the other hand would fall over themselves to insult her in front of my brother and I, it was disgusting.
Starting in my 20s I distanced myself from my father but my mom was my best friend until the day she died when I was 29. My father doesn’t contact me and I don’t contact him, he lives an hour away.
So, while I know Madge and Guy aren’t reading this anyone else who has children and is divorced who is, don’t do this to your kids, it never works out well for anyone.
Anne your mother sounds like a saint. That’s how you do it,that’s how you deal with people like your father and stepmonster.
Madonna’s cheeks are hollow. Forget the steamed fish and go with some cornbread cooked with lard. Remember when you actually had a booty, girl!
I don’t like Madonna in any way, but isn’t it possible she’s thinking of her family and would like all of them to be together for Christmas? How fair is it to Lourdes that both of her brothers will potentially be gone? For a young girl who is used to having a decent sized family at Christmas, a Christmas without her brothers and step dad would be extremely lonely.
Ugh. I feel so sorry for those kids. I’m surprised that Madonna doesn’t seem to mind(?) how this is playing out in the press, destroying her reputation [further].
This is going to completely backfire on her at some point. Never mind what the press and public think about her, but what about the feelings and opinions of her kids? Eeesh.
On a note unrelated to the kids: I wonder why Guy is just referred to as a “film-director,” and Madonna as a “50-year-old singer”? Why does the DM feel the need to mention her age but not his? (Why mention age at all?)
Madonna liked England well enough to live there for many years and still has a residence & friends, so I don’t see why she couldn’t compromise and go there. Perhaps Guy could have them X-mas eve and her on X-mas day. We have done that w/ my parents/in-laws for years. Everyone wins. Also, there is a Kabbalah Centre in England.
I am very happy that Guy is attached to David. I rarely see photographs of them together, but I have to say the only photo I’ve ever seen in which Guy was really smiling was one in which he was holding David.
All five of them should be in one city for Christmas so the kids can spend Christmas eve with one parent, Christmas morning and afternoon with the other parent and the evening with first. Then they can reverse for the next year. (Christmas Eve and Christmas Morning are the two best times for kids.) All three of the children should be together for the whole day. This is how it should always work unless there is a financial problem, which there is not in this case. Or better yet, they should agree that they can all be together and neither parent should include a boyfriend or girlfriend (unless they are engaged.) These are reasonable sacrifices.
CHRISTMAS IS FOR CHILDREN, NOT ADULTS. THE HAPPINESS OF THE CHILDREN SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST ON CHRISTMAS. ALL SIBLINGS SHOULD BE TOGETHER ON CHRISTMAS.