Joss Whedon says there will be no Loki/Hiddleston in the ‘Avengers’ sequel

I have something harsh to say and I know I might upset some fan-girls: The Avengers was overrated. Yeah, I said it. Don’t get me wrong, I liked The Avengers. It was a fun popcorn movie. But people went on and on about it like The Avengers was the greatest superhero film ever or something. So, obviously, I haven’t really been following the breathless reporting about the sequel. I know Robert Downey Jr. wants to do a sequel and he wants to get paid – in a HUGE way – for the sequel, because he made a ton of money off of the first one. I know Joss Whedon wants RDJ/Tony Stark back too, and that if RDJ isn’t doing it, Joss says he won’t either. Something like that. But what about poor Loki? Won’t anyone think about poor Loki? Careful: there are possible spoilers for the Thor sequel and The Avengers 2.

While it looks as though most of the major players from “The Avengers” won’t be going anywhere for the sequel, one character who’s definitely not returning is the bad guy, Loki.

Director Joss Whedon spilled the beans about the Norse god, played by Tom Hiddleston, during a recent appearance on the Empire Film Podcast. When asked about a speech Loki delivers to Black Widow that ends with the villain calling the Avenger a “mewling quim,” Whedon revealed there are no plans for a similar speech in “Avengers 2.”

“Imitating what I did before is the surest way to do it not as well,” he explained. “Second of all, Loki is not there to say those terrible things.”

Loki’s absence from the sequel could mean that he meets his doom in the upcoming “Thor” follow-up, “The Dark World,” due out November 8. Screen Rant points out that Thor vows to kill his evil adopted brother in the “Dark World” trailer, so the theory isn’t too far off, especially since the movie is a purported redemption story for Loki — and those don’t often end well.

Whedon is introducing mutant twin siblings Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in “Avengers 2,” which could potentially set them up to become the villains, depending on which Marvel mythology he elects to follow. But whoever it is that’s antagonizing the Avengers, Whedon says he doesn’t take killing off characters lightly — “I don’t find people to be expendable,” he said — and there shouldn’t be too much concern for our heroes’ safety.

As for other information about the film, Whedon wouldn’t get into the specifics, although he did say there are still several details that need to be ironed out with the script.

“There’s some science in it, which means I have scenes where someone says, ‘Science the sciencey science!’ And then I’m like, ‘I’ll fix that later,’” Whedon said.

We vote for Robert Downey Jr. as most likely to deliver the line “sciencey science” with a straight face. We’ll see if that makes it into the “Avengers 2″ final cut, due out May 1, 2015.

[From Moviefone]

So, Joss is not planning on working with Tom Hiddleston again, is what I’m getting. And (spoiler) Loki might die in the Thor sequel? Damn. That’s pretty harsh for poor Tom Hiddleston and his emo Loki hair. Also, there are significant rumors that Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye won’t be returning (or that Renner will be replaced) too. So all we need now is confirmation that Robert Downey Jr. has really signed on and that he’s getting crazy money for it, and everything’s a go. Poor Loki.

As for Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver – Quicksilver is allegedly in X-Men: Days of Future Past as well. In that film, Bryan Singer cast Evan Peters.

Here’s the trailer for Thor: The Dark World again – is this Loki’s last appearance?

Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet and WENN.

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  1. Spooks says:

    NOOOOO! Loki ( not Hiddleston) is the only hot guy in The Avengers. Couldn’t they sack Scarlett?

    • Jalopy says:

      Sorry but this makes me so giddy. Hiddles is just too cloying, makes me want to smack that rat face of his. Renner looks like a pug but atleast he doesnt have that over eager quality that hiddles has. I’m cool with both ScarJo and her character in the film.

    • Spooks says:

      Hiddles is very handsome and has a sexy voice. His personality makes him less sexy and more friend material, but he is handsome. Loki the character is awesome and the only reason I watched Thor.
      I don’t care for Renner, RDJ is too old for me, Evans is cute, Hemsworth is to muscular and he’s not doing anything for me.
      Scarlett is just so annoying and such a bad actress so I wouldn’t miss her.

      • V4Real says:

        I like Hiddles but there is no place in AV2 for him. He’s not the antagonist in this film and they are bringing in QucikSilver and Scarlett Witch. Also The Falcon and Black Panther are rumored to be in it also. We don’t need the film to overdose on Superheroes.

        IMO Hemsworth, RDJ and Evans are a thousands times better looking than Hiddles but he is attractive.

      • Spooks says:

        Yeah, but I was hoping that maybe he could join them like he will join Thor in Thor 2.

        Well, not to me. They are conventionally good looking, nothing special about them. Well. RDJ is special, but as I said, he’s 30 years older than I am.

      • V4Real says:

        That would make you about 18 so Hiddles is a bit old for you as well.

        I don’t think it would be plausible to bring Loki in as a rehabilitated criminal who is now on the side of good being that he killed about 80 people during his period on earth. Just because he helps his brother fight evil in Thor 2 should the world and the rest of the hereos forgive him for all those lives he took and the terror he brought to NY? No matter how much you love his character Loki is a mass murder.

        I will say this he does look good in the trailer for Thor 2 and I wish he was still up for the role of Eric Draven in the remake of The Crow.

      • Spooks says:

        But he looks younger. RDJ looks his age.

        Yeah, you’re right, but it’s a shame still.

      • V4Real says:

        Take a closer look even some people on C/B thought Hiddles was older than his then 31 years of age. Compare him to people in his age group such as Chris Evans or Chris Pine and I bet you see a difference. If you didn’t know that Hiddles was only 32 and you put a pic of Paul Walker next to Hiddles I bet most people would think that Hiddles was the 39 year old and not Walker.

  2. Nanz says:

    I thought Loki made a great villian. That’s too bad that he won’t be in the sequel. I enjoyed the movie for what it was – superhero action flick.

  3. Talie says:

    RDJ could easily be replaced by Jon Hamm.

    • GeeMoney says:

      Yeah… I don’t think so.

    • Tiffany27 says:

      The fuq?!?!?!? No I don’t think so dear. RDJ IS Tony Stark.

    • V4Real says:

      Jon Hamm is not even attractive and has the personality of a brick wall.

    • Talie says:

      I’m sorry, but he isn’t all that…certainly not for $75 mil or whatever he wants.

      • V4Real says:

        Well it’s a good thing that you’re not the one who gets to make that decision.

      • Spooks says:

        No actor deserves 75 million dollars. No entertainer for that matter. But it’s the market We live in a bizarre world.

      • V4Real says:

        Yes it is a ridicules amount of money but if the studios are willing to pay it who are we to judge. Keanu got 125 mill for the Matrix sequels but he did give some away to the special effect engineers.

      • Dopey says:

        I agree that $75mil for a movie that is what, around 2 hours long is daft but I vaguely remember something about how RDJ’s paycheck all comes back to the first IM movie (before they knew how successful it would be), I need his contract negotiator at my pay review :) .

        I’ve been a Marvel fan for over 21 years and I firmly believe that they hit the motherload with RDJ. He IS TS/IM. His charisma, sense of humour and general attitude is spot on for Stark (you may need to see some interviews of RDJ pre Marvel). If it wasn’t for the success of IM and RDJ’s portrayal of him, there wouldn’t be a movie franchise to talk about. CA, Thor, Avengers, the movies were all built to capitaise on the success of IM. Without RDJ portraying IM, MCU wouldn’t exist.

      • V4Real says:

        “RDJ’s paycheck all comes back to the first IM movie (before they knew how successful it would be), I need his contract negotiator at my pay review.

        That would be his wife. I read that she was one of the people who renegotiated his contract starting with IM 2 which she also served as producer on. RDJ was only paid five hundred thousands for the first IM. She’s a smart cookie. She is also the one that arranged that dinner/meeting with Marvel’s exes several weeks ago to negotiate his return to The Avengers.

        I also agree with you; I have seen many interviews with him before this whole Marvel Movie thing and RDJ is Tony Stark. Jon Favreau saw it as well as Feige, they just had to convince the studio to take a chance on him and I know they are counting their blessings that they did. I’m so glad they didn’t go with Tom Cruise or Clive Owens.

      • Dopey says:

        Thanks @V4real. I couldn’t remember who negotiated his contract but I knew it grew massively after every installment. His wife is smart cookie.

    • Mia 4S says:

      While I agree that RDJ defined Stark (and wonderfully, even though I am tired of it) he will be replaced at some point. It’s inevitable, whether due to age or money. Christopher Reeve was Superman, William Shatner was Captain Kirk, and hell, everyone was Batman…until they weren’t. So it’s interesting to speculate.

      Jon Hamm though? Probably too old to even be on the list. My guess is look at the under 35s.

      • V4Real says:

        Feige did say he will reboot the IM franchise just like they did with James Bond but it will be best to wait a few years. If they reboot too soon it might not work out as well. That’s what happen with The Amazing Spider Man. It wasn’t as successful as they had hoped because some thought they rebooted it too soon.

        For some reason I can see my gay bofriend Matt Bomer playing the role of Stark. But like I always say RDJ is to IM what Christopher Reeves was to Superman.

      • Dopey says:

        I believe I read somewhere that RDJ didn’t want to be IM in 10 years and he knew it would pass to a younger actor (this was a year/maybe two ago, longer??). As long as they keep recruiting good actors I’m happy. Plus Marvel has become notorious for rebooting franchises. They do it when something doesn’t fit their “vision” but their vision has a habit of being a bit “bendy”. Keep hiring fanboys like Joss, who don’t treat the audience like idiots and I think they’ll do OK.

  4. serena says:

    Noooooooooooooooo, no Loki and no Hawkeye.. what am I going to do, sigh.

  5. Georgina I says:

    No Loki? What horseshit.

  6. Anna says:

    WHAAAAAAAAAT??? That (Loki DYING???) is a HORRIBLE spoiler! First of all, if true, it’s a legit spoiler for a movie that’s still months out >.< Bad on you, Kaiser. Isnt Portman's character supposed to die/fall into abyss/get written out? And then it's just really freaking sad bc Hiddles as Loki is AWESOME. In fact, in the future, Loki should just join the Avengers on the side of the good.

  7. ds says:

    Loki stole the show both in Thor and Avengers so no surprises here.

  8. Hipocricy says:

    I love Whedon’s work…i mean he seems very dedicated and passionate about his craft and won’t ever take the easier route.

    I like his humility too and the fact that he cares about portraying strong female characters.

  9. Tiffany27 says:

    I loved, loved, loved The Avengers. I’m a big Marvel comics fan and essentially had been waiting 10 years for the film. Saying it’s the greatest super hero film ever made is debatable, but considering the epic hot mess it could have been, I thought The Avengers was amazing!!
    I am glad Loki is not returning. Tom Hiddleston turned me off the character. Now let’s move on to Thanos!!!

  10. T.Fanty says:

    That’s not rocket science, though. The point of a sequel is to develop the story/up the stakes, and that can’t happen if you’re basically repeating everything. The next villain needs to be a greater adversary or there’s no point. I don’t think anyone did expect Loki in the Avengers sequel. The way Thor is set up, it makes sense to include Loki – it was framed as a family drama at its heart, and I don’t think Loki will die, although I’m sure his role will be minimized. Thor without Loki is dull, and I think the movie makers get that.

    It’s probably for the best, anyway, with regards Hiddles’ career (and PR and possibly mental health). It’ll push him on to greener fields and pastures new, and all that.

  11. Chicagogurl says:

    Die hard Batman girl here. The avengers was fun summer action flick but I don’t take it too seriously and I loved the Thor comics but can’t really stand the movies. I loved what Nolan did for the Batman reboot and I like what he did for Superman. I wish superman would have hit on a few more important plot points. (Read most of the comics but never got that invested in anyone other than batman). I hope eventually (in a few movies) Nolan does his take on “Death of Superman” and “Funeral for a Friend” when all the action heros from the Justice League/DC superheros come together to mourn. I think it could be an extremely interesting starting point for new spin offs. I hope they leave my beloved batman alone for a while.

    • Bijlee says:

      I want them to leave Batman alone for a while too, but I really want a Batman Beyond movie to take off. I loved that series when I was young. But I doubt there’s much interest in it.

    • Hipocricy says:

      Don’t like what they did with Superman…they erased completely the comic book feel, they erased superman soul, what he stands for, his heroism and made it a Transformers like movie into space meeting Independance day, featuring someone dressed like Superman who has nothing from Superman but acts more like a psychopath than a good doer hero a la comic book.

      If that is the route they will now take for the rest of the JL characters and the Batman reboot, they should just hire Michael Bay.

  12. Nerd Alert says:

    Uhm…der. Nobody wants to see the same villains over and over again. Doesn’t happen in comics/graphic novels, doesn’t happen in movies. I get that Loki is Thor’s brother so he’s like a lifelong villain for Thor and a fan favorite; I could see them keeping him alive for that series.

    But this is a collaboration series. If the lot of them can’t beat one guy in one movie, why would anyone watch a second?

    Also, Hawkeye (not Renner) sucks. That’s just all there is to it. The character is basically worthless, just like the Black Widow, but they’ll keep her for the feminine energy.

  13. ciel says:

    thx joss whedon, for the headsup! i’ll make sure not to watch avengers 2 (which will probably flop)!

    • Eve says:

      “(which will probably flop)!”

      Uh??? If the first movie, the one that was considered a risk, made more than 1 and half billion dollars, methinks that what you just said is more than wishful thinking.

    • Hipocricy says:

      Bwahahaha !!!

      TA2 flopping is like saying the sun will suddenly stop heating…not going to happen…sorry.

      the real BO questions is how fast it will hit one billion worldwide and if it can manage to hit 2 billion worldwide.

      • Mia 4S says:

        Well that might help the actors not named RDJ; Marvel apparently told them that Avengers didn’t break even until it hit….you’ll love this….1.1 billion! (Thus limiting any bonuses they might have gotten). Can you imagine? No wonder they’re all pissed off.

    • V4Real says:

      Oh don’t be so bitter ciel; no one wants to see the same antagonist in a film. Hiddles served his purpose as Loki in The Avengers now it’s time to move on to a new villian.

      AV2 won’t flop no matter how many ill wishes you make.

    • Tiffany27 says:

      Define flop? Because I’m curious in what world the sequel to The Avengers would flop.

    • Hipocricy says:

      The Avengers sequel will pass EASILY $1 billion and more in the overseas market alone and in less than a month…mark my word…

    • Nerd Alert says:

      You are outside your mind if you think that movie will flop. The original was the highest-grossing superhero movie of all time, beating TDKR by nearly $900 million. Srsly.

      • Eve says:

        It’s the highest-grossing super hero movie of all time but it beat TDKR by “only” 427 million.

        The Avengers had a slightly smaller budget though (it cost 30 million dollars less than TDKR, according to boxofficemojo).

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Hm. I checked the same site, but I think we both did our math wrong. I also used TDKR when I should have used TDK, since I was using lifetime gross and not theatre earnings.

        It was almost $90 mil, not $900. Going off box office mojo, it’s a difference of $88.5 million for lifetime gross, which is what I used.

        I think you used the Theatre/Opening numbers (fair enough), in which case it would be $49 million…or $47 for the right movie, LOL.

        It’s kinda funny we made the same math error. Stupid decimal points. But then I got the Batman movies mixed up so my whole previous comment should be ignored.

        Okay, people. Nothing to see here. I’m shutting up now.

      • Mia 4S says:

        Ironically Avengers 2 will probably make less box office than the first one (by that I mean if might ONLY make 1.2 billion or so *gasp*) and then all the websites can write about it being a “disappointment”. You know they will. Box office reporting has gotten bizarre it has NOTHING to do with quality and everything to do with turning movies into a horse race. Gross.

      • Eve says:

        @ Nerd Alert:

        Hmmm…I was completly lost (at first) when I read your reply, then I realized that there was no mistake made, not by you or myself.

        When I read your comment I thought you’re talking about total gross: domestic (US box office only) + worldwide — The Avengers made $1,511,757,910 whereas TDKR made $1,084,439,099 (so 427 million would be correct).

        I now see you’re talking about domestic box office, so your numbers are probably right, too.


      • Nerd Alert says:

        Oh man. Thanks, Eve! I was so confused LOL.

        I’m glad we’re both right, I’ve always been a fan of your comments and your style, TBH. And Stefon!! I’m super sad Stefon is gone, but I love a good gravatar.

  14. Reece says:

    There’s only so many times they can bring Loki back before it becomes awful and silly and very lazy.

  15. MissMary says:

    I love Hiddles and I love Loki as he portrays him but I grok not putting him in every damn Avengers movie. There’s only so many ways to develop the story and keeping Loki as the main big bad will make it into the Iron Man and Loki show and loose a lot of folks’ interest.

  16. Julia says:

    They are not sacking Tom, it is just time for a new villan. I think it is a good move and he will go onto to other interesting things. As for the rest of the cast, I want them all in place. Renner is the perfect for the role if only they will let him play Hawkeye and not well behaved soldier boy. What I don’t want them to do is bring in new characters and give them a superficial treatment like they did with Hawkeye last time.

    • V4Real says:

      New characters are rumored to be QuickSilver, Scarlett Witch, The Falcon who will make his first appearance in Cap 2 The WInter Soldier. There’s a small whisper that they may also include Black Panther.

      I don’t want to see too many new characters because the movie would just feel crowded with no time for new character development.

  17. Miss M says:

    Hiddlestoners meltdown in 3, 2, 1…

  18. ncboudicca says:

    I would just like to thank Kaiser for posting another photo of the blue suit that shows off Hiddles’ asset so well

  19. The Original Mia says:

    Yay! I’m not a Loki fan. He’s not a woobie. He is evil. Glad he isn’t returning. Need to move on from him.

    Don’t want Hawkeye recast. I want a better story for him.

  20. Dommy Dearest says:

    The villain for Avengers 2 is Thanos, Loki and Thanos have history so he’ll be tied in and maybe back for Avengers 3. Loki isn’t going to DIE until Ragnarok (The end of Asgard) starts which will most likely be Thor 3, not Thor 2. That’s Loki’s path in the comics which happened after the Siege series. Now, the movie COULD end with Loki dying and Ragnarok starting but that means Thor’s going to be too busy trying to save Asgard to come to the aid of the Avengers which would count him out of A2, unless they do a major time jump like Nolan did in between The Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises (being eight years). Avengers 3 will most likely be Ultron and that’ll set up the Young Avengers movie.

    Stark, from what I remember reading, is going to be in A2 as Marvel had him and a few others sign contracts for projects before Avengers even came out. Tom is still set to be in two other movies which I believe is Thor 2 and probably Thor 3. You can’t have the same villain in everything, Joss is right about that. PLUS Marvel has better villains than Loki they can use and Thanos is one of their higher ups. Much more powerful than Loki will ever be. Add in the Infinity Gauntlet and you’ll be watching Thanos go toe to toe with Galactus which is so much better than Tony Stark flying through the air with his suit using energy to blast things away. Renner I can do without, Hawkeye has never been one of my favorites and Scarlet needs to go. Black Widow was pointless in all of the movies she’s been in and her hair is a bastard child in comparison to how it is in the comics. Plus, she speaks with a Russian accent naturally and I’d like an actress to show some talent by faking it in the entire movie.

    I’ve read the little details online that Joss as made about Wanda and Pietro and from what I can tell it seems like he’s planning on making them completely different than their actual comic character. Either alien or he’s going to change up their powers. Quicksilver is Marvel’s Flash. Scarlet Witch is an AMAZING mutant who has the power to warp reality, not just cast spells as Whedon has described. House of M is one of Marvel’s better mutant comics and Marvel, once they get their rights back, needs to make a movie of that. Joss needs to scrap the twins- SINCE HE CANT EVEN MENTION THEIR FATHER IS MAGNETO in the movie due to Sony owning those right. But Sony can’t reveal to the audience in the Xmen movie (the whole series from First Class, Origin, to now is an abomination)that the twins are also Avengers. There are other Avenger characters he can put in such as Captain Marvel and then Miss Marvel, Wasp, Antman… I’m refraining from listing.

    Avengers was a popcorn movie for those who don’t read the comics. While Joss kinda created his own way the Avengers formed and Loki’s glow stick of destiny but the Cosmic Cube (Tesseract in the movie) is a real item that hails from Asgard. The Red Skull (Captain America) did get his hands on it. Hulk shouldn’t have control over his anger already, Sentry isn’t around for him to help his anger be controlled. Thor was written off as the punching bag and an insult to the character. Hulk never would have smashed Loki into the ground like that. Oh, and Black Widow didn’t pull the wool over his eyes when he was in the Hulk’s cell. His powers allow him to teleport and he could have been out in a heartbeat. Plus, he didn’t mean to release the hulk. It was an attempt to tear apart the Avengers and it worked though backfired when they came together. The Other is actually an Elder God from Earth, super powerful named Chthon. And Thanos… just comicvine him. Seriously.

    If you think Justice League of America is going to top Avengers you are mistaken.

    • V4Real says:

      If you mean Stark as in RDJ signed contracts before the Avengers was released then I must tell you Downey’s contract ended with Iron Man 3. This is why he is now in negotiations with Marvel for AV2.

      According to the comics you’re right Banner shouldn’t have had control over his anger as of yet. But what Whedon did was to try to tie the end of The Incredible Hulk into The Avengers. If you remember Banner was learnig to control his anger through a form of meditation. If you can recall when he was meditating he opens his eyes and they are Hulk Green; that was supposed to be a sign that he was now learning to be in control of the monster inside. As we learn though he wasn’t in complete control but he could change at will.

      I’m not sure if you meant that Loki did mean to release the Hulk (as opposed to he didn’t) because that was his intentions. Black Widow did best Loki because she used her special gift to distract him by making him concentrate on his hatred of mankind rather than focusing on what info she was really tryig to get from him. It was almost like a freudian slip on his part.

      I’m not putting much faith in The Justice League but you never know what might happen.

      • Dommy Dearest says:

        I haven’t seen the Incredible Hulk or any of the previous movies just due to my lack of liking for the character and the reviews did factor into it. I read somewhere before the Avengers came out that he was still signed on for other projects with Marvel- though that was a while ago and it has probably changed from what you’re saying. I don’t follow RDJ much at all other than his work with the Iron Man series. I heard he was rumored to be in the Guardians movie.

        Eh, I hate to say this but I disagree with you. Loki is the God of Lies, Black Widow is just a mortal woman with no real . He was feeding her all the bull the entire time. It was all meant as a distraction to have have Selvig finish the machine that opened the portal. To cause friction between them all and lead them to think they know his plan when in reality he was just stalling for time. She came to the conclusion he wanted to release the Hulk and that was it. I personally find it hard to believe that Black Widow can best the God of Lies and Chaos given how long he’s been alive and has been around much better manipulators than Natasha- Amora being one of the leaders for that area.

        It was cool at first when I thought Natasha had bested him but as the movie went on and even just further reading more comics on Loki’s character, I think it’s a difficult thing to believe Natasha got the upper hand.

        But I see your point 8}

        I’m still upset Black Canary won’t be appearing in the JLA movie!

      • V4Real says:

        Dommy I can agree with that it fits Loki character. But couldn’t it also be plausible that his main reason for being captured was to split the team a part. If he didn’t get captured they would continue to look for him as a team while searching for the tessaract. By him being on that ship didn’t stop Banner and Stark from searching for it so how was he stalling. They didn’t know where Selvin was. By unleashing the Hulk he knew it would cause chaos and split them up and delay the search for the tesaract. he also knew that his glow stick would play a part in his scheme you notice the effect it had on all them causing them to bicker amongst themselves. He needed to be on that ship to do that. So if you think about it by him being on the aircraft didn’t stall them from searching for the tessaract b/c they continued to search for it while he was locked up. Remember Banner had located it before the attack that’s how he knew to go to NY and Stark kept asking had Banner arrived yet. There was no need to stall but a need to cause conflict between the team.

        Of course he could have gotten out of the cage but he was waiting for the shit to hit the fan and his team to arrive. Widow did trick him into revealing his play. Gods make mistakes too; look at Thor when Loki goes are you never not going to fall for that. Thor knew Loki could teleport.

  21. Kaboom says:

    Loki has been vastly overexposed in the franchise already. I could have done well with him just in Thor 1 and never to be seen again. I felt picking him as the villain for The Avengers was the one poor choice Whedon made.

  22. Sachi says:

    Probably time for a new villain to make an appearance. Hiddleston was great as Loki but you can’t keep him as the main villain just because people want to see him on the big screen. There’s probably a bigger storyline that Whedon and co. are working on, so Loki is surplus to requirements. How many times can he be the villain only to be thwarted again and again? The character might become a caricature if that happens.

    I trust Whedon to know what he is doing with this. I am not a comic book reader at all but I had no trouble following the plot of The Avengers. IMO that is what makes it a successful comic book-movie. It didn’t alienate the audience into thinking they were missing out on key moments and characters because they didn’t read the comic books.

  23. Crumpets and Crotchshots says:

    I don’t think Loki is going to die because they *will* want to keep open the possibility for a Thor 3 jf it does very well. Also TommyAnnE signed a seven movie contract for not a lot of money, and they will want to squeeze that for all it is worth.

    He’s not going to be in A2 simply because Whedon is not going to want to just do the same thing again. The film needs new villains and new characters. Loki is already at great risk for overexposure.

    • V4Real says:

      It’s vital to avoid the Lex Luthor effect which is why I am glad that MOS went the Zod route. Lex however will likely turn up in the sequel since they were showing vehicles that said LexCorp in the movie.

      Superman Return…epic fail.

  24. vv says:

    I agree. The Avengers movie was overrated. It was a fun enough film but I didn’t lose my mind over it.

    And it’s time for Loki to go away. He had his moment and now it’s time for some new villains. The Avengers have plenty of those haha.

  25. Jackstar says:

    Loki was a great villain and I think it is smart to not have him return even if he doesn’t meet his demise in Thor @. Too much of a good thing can be bad and with all the heroes returning for A2 no one wants to watch the same movie twice!

    As far as RDJ wanting more for the film… I read that the rest of the cast got paid very little compared to what he made and he said he wouldn’t do A2 unless the other heroes were paid accordingly.

    And as per people ‘incorrectly’ acting or saying that The Avengers is the best super hero ever… It is. If it isn’t then in your expert opinion (I use the term loosely) what is? The Avengers was everything we ever attempted with comic born films. The original super hero films were amazing and a work of their own but The Avengers is what the genre has become and can only get better with A2 and it’s counterparts.

    • Mia 4S says:

      Everything WE ever attempted? Ummm OK, please tell me you actually work for a comic book company/studio, otherwise you might be taking movies about adults running around in spandex with silly names just a wee bit too seriously. ;-)

    • Dommy Dearest says:

      I’m pretty sure she means ‘we’ as people who wanted a good comic based movie. Because all the rest have been crap. Ugh.

      I’m sure people will reply that the X-Men movies were the best- LAWLS. Or the Nolan Batman movie, haaaaa.

      But you are correct in RDJ wanting more and the rest of the cast wanting more. It’s why Scarlett, Renner, Jackson, and Hemsworth haven’t signed on. Though Hemsworth needs to get with the program. His acting isn’t very good and the Thor role is what boosted him into the fame he has now.

      • Julia says:

        None of us know who has signed on and what negotiations are taking place. It is all speculation. I am not a particular fan of the big beefy brigade, but I appreciate how much more Chris Hemsworth has to put into these movies than either RDJ or Mark Ruffalo. He has to become a freak and it must be tricky to slot in other work around it. If Hemsworth wants out I can understand it, but I really hope he signs on. I want all of them back, but most of all I want Hawkeye with a decent storyline.

  26. ViktoryGin says:

    Whedon, you better beef up your security and watch your ass. These Hiddlestoner b*tches will be coming for you like a small town mob with torches in hand looking to burn your house down :)

  27. Camille (TheOriginal) says:

    Well I’m not a Loki/Hiddlesdork stan girl so this is fantastic news!

    And I completely agree with you @Kaiser about The Avengers- such a completely OVER RATED movie! I can’t get over how over rated it was. My hubby last night was talking about how bad it was and how he thought it was as bad as Battle Field Earth, I laughed and said, it wasn’t *that* bad, just not as amazing as the stans were making it out to be lol.

  28. TheyPromisedMeBeer says:

    Would I watch The Avengers now? Probably not. But I saw it last summer with a friend, and it succeeded where no other superhero movie has with me – I not only liked it, I was OBSESSED with it for a few weeks. And this is from someone who doesn’t read comic books and is “meh” about Joss Whedon. So overrated? Yeah. But still a good movie that treats the audience like it actually has a brain? Hells. Yeah.

    Oddly enough, I think Loki not returning as the villain yet is good for Mr. Hiddles. He was fun to watch, but I want to see him branch out. He caught my eye in Midnight in Paris, and I want to see more of that out of him.

  29. Esmerelda says:

    …I still hope RDJ would not sign up for AV2, for his own good. These Marvel movies are just one silly armour away from Joel Schumacher’s Batmans…
    Hiddles is lucky (or smart, or both) to leave when he’s at the top. Run, Hiddles, run, and take RDJ with you!

    • Hipocricy says:

      You don’t replace the lead of a trilogy. Just like you don’t replace Shwarzenegger as the original Terminator. That just doesn’t make sense.

      You finish a trilogy with the same lead character then you reboot it or branch to another one with a renew team, like The Bourne 4 and the Transformers 4 is currently doing.

      RDJ being one of the leads and even the leader of TA1 – see how the poster featured him in front of anyone – is the prerequiste for a sequel. He must be in TA2 and TA3. Otherwise cancel both movies.

  30. lara_c says:

    I refuse to watch Thor 2 or any other parts of this franchise if they kill off Loki.

  31. MissThing says:

    Joss didn’t want Loki in the first Avengers, Marvel told him too bad. Now he has the clout to push his preferences. I paid to watch Avengers numerous times, but mainly for Loki. I will see the new Avengers movie, but more than once? Probably not.

    Mis-step for Joss I think. He seems to think we want a repeat of Loki how he was, but we really want further character development. The Thor-Loki dynamic is the only thing that makes Thor even remotely interesting.

  32. Sam says:

    I love Joss Whedon – watched every show, saw BTVS the movie before the show, the whole nine – but he clearly did not know what to do with the Asgardians in The Avengers. (I think it’s the world-building challenges that a race like their’s presents.) Thor made weird jokes that didn’t suit his personality and hit things. Both he and Loki (especially Loki) came off as less intelligent than they did in Thor. I’m quite okay with him not writing for them again. I’ll admit, when TA was first announced I was hoping to see Sif with them but now I think it’s for the best that doesn’t happen.

  33. Bet says:

    Thank god. I cant stand the self preoccupied Mr Hiddleston.

  34. Lia says:

    Meh. The main reason I would have gone to see the sequel to The Avengers would have been to see Loki / Hiddleston. If he isn’t in it, I’m bored with the rest of the cast. Guess I’ll stick to the THor sequel and watching the first Avengers every now and then.

  35. Claire says:

    No! Love Loki/Tom – he is my latest major crush. Nice to be reminded what it felt like to be a teenager again. Although sad I get teased by my 9 year old for such terrible taste in men