About a week ago, a columnist at NY Mag’s The Cut wrote a scathing essay about Katy Perry. The writer was particularly offended by Katy’s manufactured image (because other pop stars seem so “real”?) and how she’s not “complex” enough. Sure, Katy is bubblegum pop, and her lyrics are full of clichés, but she fills a very large niche. Her audience skews younger, and they appreciate Katy’s carefree take on life and love. Katy really is a Teenage Dream, you know? Most of her ditzy behavior is fully intentional, but this columnist wasn’t having it and unnecessarily tore Katy up.
I think what set the writer, Heather Havrilesky, off was Katy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton. The author didn’t want to think about Hillary lowering herself to work with such a “safe” pop star who didn’t contribute anything authentic to pop culture. Havrilesky saw Hillary’s acceptance of Katy as evidence that Hillary was not the candidate who should represent the Democratic party. Seriously. So Havrilesky will not be pleased to see that Katy took over Hillary’s Instagram account for the whole of Saturday. She and Hill posted some selfies, and Katy did up her nails. There’s nothing Katy enjoys more than ordering up a custom-made costume and going to theme town. This is harmless and part of the fun of a political campaign. These events are made to rally up the people, and Katy’s “vacuous” involvement won’t harm anything.
It was also Katy’s birthday, and she was on hand at an Iowa rally where she performed. It looks like Bubba enjoyed the show, and according to People, he said, “I have never been the warm-up act for Katy Perry before. I am well aware I am the warm-up act.” Indeed.
Photos courtesy of Hillary Clinton on Instagram & Getty
I might be going doolally but it feels like Hillary is more of a Republican than a Democrat? I could be wrong, what do I know I’m Canadian
American Democrats in any other country would be considered centrists at best. I don’t think a political left really exists in America.
I dont think so either. Not by old school terms at least. Although Hilary is often accused by the right of being a Communist, she’s a warhawk and supports corporate power. The definition of right and left have changed considerably and I’m not sure there’s any real difference between the two.
You’re kind of right, though I wouldn’t say that that’s my experience so much as I can see how that POV does accurately represent a margin or our leftists. Don’t bother listening to conservatives as they don’t know a hack from a handsaw so their opinions on any subject aren’t worth much. Progressives on the aggregate have clearer heads and better reasoning skills, but there’s still a lot of BS including hypocrisy. You cannot, will not succeed as a high level politician in the US without playing ball to big corporations and money that talks.
Hillary was raised by conservatives but became lefty during college when she supported the civil rights movement and wasn’t happy with what was going on in her party. But she’ll never be far left. The worst that can be said about her is that she understands how politics works, how participating in a broken system makes you look like a bad guy when you’re playing the long game. BTW there is PLENTY of difference between the two parties and I don’t have the patience to entertain the undiscerning minds that either cannot or will not notice those fundamentally different ideologies.
Ever notice how people love to hate on Hillary while having very little real concrete evidence to point to?
i think everything has shifted right except the extreme left. Hillary’s a moderate democrat, so she probably feels like the old republicans to you. Now republicans are way over to the right, where nuts used to be (and still are, imo). So I think that’s maybe the vibe you’re getting.
Very true, GNAT. And Hillary has admitted being a Republican when she was young (prior to meeting Bill, of course).
“loathe” why such a strong word? Why would you hate or detest her, do you know her personally?, just asking.
Are you asking me? Please be asking me.
I have to go somewhere this morning, now, but when I come back, I will answer you if you were asking me. Everyone else hopes you weren’t except me. I hope you were. Asking me, that is.
Cue spectacular GNAT rant in 3, 2, 1….
I was going to post this question on Reddit or something, but hopefully it will be answered here. Why is Hilary so hated? I’m not American but I’ve followed the politics since I was pretty young and Hilary has always been loathed, this isn’t just a Benghazi/email thing. IIRC back during Bills presidency she was being blamed for a health related policy? I don’t think any other first lady has been as maligned as she was (except for Michelle of course who is subject to crazy racist hate). TBH I always thought people just couldn’t stand a First Lady who didn’t just focus on looking good and supporting uncontroversial causes. Anyway, looking forward to the rant which hopefully will answer questions.
Because she’s a crook. I always suspected Katy wasn’t too bright but this confirms it.
@Jess
This really doesn’t answer the question. In what specific ways was she revealed to be a crook during Bills presidency (because that’s when I first noticed the Hilary hate train)? Also, were those transgressions proportional to the backlash or was she punished a little extra for “being female”?
Ok, I’m back. An overview: Hillary Clinton is very intelligent, as is her husband, Bill, whom I also loathe. The basic reason is this – they both were blessed with gifts that could have made them notable, if not great, public servants. But they also share a complete lack of ethics and accountability for their behavior. They are selfish, self-centered, ruthless and arrogant in their complete disregard for the rules. The rules of campaign finance in particular. So my main problem with them is that they do whatever they want to get ahead, no matter how immoral or illegal, and they never take responsibility. They always play the victim. The mass, right-winged conspiracy is out to get them.
Here are just some of the scandals in which Hillary has been involved:
Travelgate – in order to give cushy jobs to seven of her friends from Arkansas, as well as to Bill’s cousin, who was hired to head up the group, Hillary had 8 people fired for no reason from the White House travel service. She had no authority to do this, and records were either “lost” or incomplete. The then head of the travel office tried to protest and she had him investigated by the FBI, ruining his carreer, even though he was never found to have done anything wrong, and audited for the next three years.
Whitewater – a shady real estate scandal involving both Clintons and allegations of tax fraud, illegal campaign contributions, political favors and other improprieties. The Clinton’s were investigated, claimed they were cooperating fully, but Hillary just couldn’t seem to find the pertinent documents requested by the investigating committee. Until oops! Here they are, would you believe it? Right. On. My. Desk. The day after the statute of limitations ran. Two or three of the people involved went to jail, but not the Clintons.
Filegate – Hillary allegedly paid the director of White House security to improperly access files about Republican competition so she could illegally view them. She admitted the files were accessed, but called it a “snafu, an honest mistake.”
Wall Street Wizardry- Hillary made one cattle futures trade that ultimately made her a profit of $100,000 in less than a year. She made the original trade when she had $1000 in her account -the trade cost about $12,000. The company that allowed the trade had to pay a huge fine and the owner or CFO who authorized the trade was suspended for three years. Guess what happened to Hillary? Nothing. She said she just read the WSJ and got lucky.
Greedygate – when the Clintons left the White House, they had hundreds of thousands of dollars in antiques and art packed up to be sent to their personal residence. When questioned, they said the items had been donated to them, but it turned out, according to the donors, that items were donated to the White House, not the Clintons, with the intention that they would remain there for all of the American people to enjoy. The Clintons gave some, but not all of it back.
This was all just while Bill was POTUS. There were lots of other scandals involving campaign contributions by drug lords, and of course I believe the Clinton Foundation is just a big slush fund for Hillary’s campaign and that she deleted emails because they will show her selling political favors. But she’ll just act indignant and say everyone is out to get her. I could go on and on for hours, but the point is, the Clintons will do anything to get and stay in power and will abuse the power they obtain. They are despicable. I feel like I’m forgetting something but this is the gist. Sorry you asked?
GNAT, I remember those scandals from when I was a child.
I remember the media calling her a “bulldog” and making fun of her headbands. I remember that they were HORRIFIED that a first lady had the intelligence and education to take a stab at insurance reform, instead of just smiling in pretty dresses.
Looking back at the “scandals”, I have to wonder how much of it was people targeting her and going after her to put her in her place. She does act like a victim sometimes, but as the Bengazi hearings have shown, sometime she IS targeted for simply being who she is.
Politics in the US is a dirty and corrupt place. No one can have a career for decades and emerge clean.
I loathe Hillary (and Bill) Clinton with every fiber of my body. GNAT said most of it above, but I wanted to add that Bill Clinton has over 11 women who have accused him of either rape or sexual assault–and four of them were from before he was famous. One story that accuser Juanita Broadrick told was that two days after the alleged incident, Hillary came up to her, grabbed her hand, said kept going on about how she and Bill appreciated “everything” Juanita was doing for the campaign and how her loyalty “meant a lot.” That’s Lady Macbeth sh** right there.
I disagree with basically everything Obama does, but I do think that he tries to do the right thing, which I appreciate. I do not believe for one second that Hillary and Bill would ever similarly place morals above profit or politics.
Tiffany, I love you, but I must not have been clear. You are just wrong. I don’t even think many of her supporters who were there deny that she has gotten away with crimes. Hillary wasn’t “targeted” for anything. She has, in every case I cited, done something illegal. She used her power and her illegal withholding of documents and lying to get out of going to jail like the people who fell on their swords for her. And you think the Bengazi hearings make her look good? She deliberately lied about the nature of the attack on Americans to be sure that Obama wouldn’t have to admit before the election that he hadn’t stopped terrorism. She KNEW it was a planned terrorist attack, and she lied about it repeatedly. You notice that I didn’t even cite that as an example, though. I’m sure that’s what Obama told her to say, and I don’t know how much choice she had. But if you can’t see that she has a clear, undisputed record of breaking the law for her own gain, of abusing public funds, public trust and anything else she can get her hands on to abuse, then I didn’t make it clear. You don’t need to put scandal in quotation marks as if these were minor offenses. Tax fraud, misappropriation of funds, firing people for quid pro quo, illegal contributions, having political enemies ruined, illegally accessing files she had no right to to get the goods on her competitors- if you think those are “normal”, petty little offenses and people are just picking on her, then I don’t know what kind of person you want in the White House. I think your last sentence is saddest if all. They’re all they’re all dirty, who cares? If we take that attitude, then we deserve the lousy government full of self-interested crooks that we will get. I think we deserve better and our children deserve better. Hillary hasn’t been targeted for being a woman – she has gotten away with crime after crime because she’s rich and powerful.
@GNAT you get a standing O from me
im not sure where this post will land, i hope you see it
I wish GNAT would write a blog about this! Just to get the message out to people.
Standing O from me too!
GNAT, I should have known better than to wade into such a deep topic with such little time to devote to giving a full answer. It isn’t that I think that she is without flaw, but I think that our country is set up for the rich and powerful to use their influence to make situations better for themselves. I don’t think the Clintons are unique in this regard. I don’t think that is a great thing, but that is the society we have built for ourselves. These different examples your cited do require a lot of in depth analysis, which unfortunately, I don’t have time to offer right now. I don’t think that what you write is without merit, but I do find myself cautious when it comes to claims about the Clintons, because there has been so much exaggeration and invention by political forces.
I agree with you. I wish I could get behind her, but just can’t. #Bernie2016!
I agree. Nothing would thrill me more then to have a female president, but I’m not going to vote for someone just because they’re a woman. I’m really feeling Bernie as well. Just like I felt for Obama when he first hit the scene. Bernie Sanders seems genuinely honest and he really speaks to me. I think Hillary is incredibly smart and capable of being President, but for some reason I just can’t fully support her. Now, if for some tragic reason Bernie doesn’t make it and drops out, I’ll vote for Hillary. She isn’t my first choice, but if it comes down to Hillary or Donald or Ben Carson, then of course I’m voting for Hillary. No question.
If I was American, my choice would be Bernie, of course. But if he would be the Democratic nominee, does he have a chance of becoming president? It just seems to me that having the chance of someone who identifies as a socialistwould rally up all republican voters.
I love how GNAT is all about the Hillary diss!
She is SO fake to me, so trying hard, and so trying to get votes JUST based on the fact that she’s a woman. No, lady, people should vote for you because you have something good to offer, not because you’re cool and you take selfies with Kim Kardashian and Katy Perry.
I hope Bernie wins.
#FeeltheBern
I don’t fully support her either, but I’m likely going to vote for her. I am pro-Bernie, but I don’t think he has a shot at winning the general election. And, yes, it will be music to my ears to her addressed as “Madame President.”
@ N2 : so you think you would vote for Hillary despite the fact that you prefer Bernie, on the grounds that “she’s more likely to win” ?
Isn’t it better to vote for someone you truly support? If everyone thinks that way, wouldn’t that lead us all down a dark path ?
I can’t take Bernie voters seriously. They’re mostly know-nothings when it comes to how our political process actually works and like to stand up for whatever makes them feel most impressed with themselves at any given time.
The best thing I’ve ever heard about Bernie is that he would be a great dictator but not a great president. I like him, he’s admirable in so many ways, but you are the lefty equivalent of a Trump voter if you think he’s a president.
PB&J
I find your arguments so bizarre. The “best” think you heard about Bernie is that he would be a great dictator? I shudder to think of the worst things you heard about him. And then you follow that up with “I like him”? You like dictator types?
Why would anyone say that he’d make a great dictator? I’m not a huge follower, but from everything I hear of him, he seems to be a very decent man, why would anyone say that he’s make a great dictator? And GW made a great president?
I find it very insulting to Bernie Sanders that you complain him to Trump. He may not have a serious shot (I don’t know), but there are different ways to not have a serious shot. It’s one thing when you don’t have the money or the name recognition, it’s another thing when you have both, but are just plain nuts.
20 years ago her views would be Republican. Everyone has moved hard left or hard right. There isn’t much room for moderate views anymore.
I do think she is pandering to the far left now. I do not believe she has in conviction in her supposed beliefs. She wants to get elected, that’s it.
Regardless if you agree with his views or not Bernie Sanders in genuine in his beliefs and is not just telling people what they want to hear to be elected.
Yes Hillary for President.
Hillary is intelligent, educated, a hardworker,MORE experience than most of the men on the political candidate stage and a Democrat.
The GOP would love to run against Bernie because they figure they might have a better chance of beating him.
GOP and their racist spouting Donald Trump and The GOP can go pound sand.
I don’t how much pandering to the left she’s doing. I mean, Black Lives Matter activists asked her to come up with a social justice platform, and she didn’t. Bernie and Martin O’Malley did, which makes me respect them more.
Hillary said All Lives Matter, so….
@GNAT I have heard many trustworthy sources complain about the clintons. I personally have not followed their careers that closely. Has anyone that you would recommend written about them in detail?
Quincy: the late great Christopher Hitchens wrote a series of essays about them for Vanity Fair magazine….i think the essays eventually went into a book, but i’m sure the essays are still up in the VF archives. His verdict was that they lied as their default position on any given subject, even when telling the truth was the easier option. He thought they were about power and would do anything to get it and hold on to it. Hence the unfortunate F.O.Bs – friends of Bill….these were friends of the Clinton’s who ended up falling on the Clinton sword whilst the Clinton’s emerged unscathed.
GNAT: don’t forget that during Bill Clinton’s women troubles, Hilary was chief orchestrator of the horrid campaign to discredit all the women. She authorised James Carvill to protect Bill at all costs and boy did he ever. I’ve never seen such a women hating campaign in my life, yet people go on and on about how she loves women?! Maybe if you are the right sort of woman.
“Left” as it is known in most of the world doesn’t really exist in American Politics. The most hardcore American democrats would be center, even center-right in several other countries.
Most US Democrats seem extremely conservative to me. Obama and Hillary would both be right wing politicians in my country. Jimmy Carter is probably the last US president I’d consider somewhat liberal.
US Republicans would be extreme liberals in my country. I find it so funny when people say oh how America is too conservative and whatever. Do they think only Western Europe and America exist in this planet Earth or something? Americans have it gooood. America is very very progressive. In my country, the concept of gay rights, gay marriage don’t even exist, like you might as well say Reptilian rights, it’s just a total foreign concept.
In my country they would be socially on the left. Fiscally? I think even the most right wing party here would be on the left in America.
I cant see where anyone would be able to characterize Obama as “extremely conservative.” In such a case, I would like to know what that definition of “extremely conservative” is. In America, Obama is very very liberal on just about all stances. Anyone denying that is not looking at the facts.
Very very liberal is pushing it way to far. How is he very very liberal?
@WinnieCoopersMom
It depends what you mean by “conservative”. If you are talking left/right on economic issues or conservative/liberal on social issues. But either way, the US picture is more to the right and more to the conservative than other Western democracies.
Here is the spread of political positions in the 2012 US presidential election:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
Here in the 2012 German general election:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/germany2013
Here in the 2015 UK general election:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015
2015 Canada:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015
2014 New Zealand:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015
2011 Ireland:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland2011
As you can see, the US choice is much more highly concentrated on right of centre, socially conservative positions than all the other countries.
If you enjoy looking at the facts, that is. 😉
Obama is a centrist. He most certainly is not “very, very liberal.”
If Obama was “very liberal” Obamacare would be medicare for all, not standards for private insurance companies.
I can’t stand Hillary, but I like that Katy is going all in with her support, not afraid to alienate fans. Most of her peers won’t voice an opinion on politics unless it’s over something benign or something they can easily backtrack on later.
I’m with you.
I dont really “get” the Katy association. The vast majority of Katy fans are not of voting age. There are plenty of liberal-leaning stars with an actual adult fan base that would have drawn just as much media attention as Katy. This just screams try-hard to me.
Well, I don’t like Katy Perry and agree with that columnist that she’s day-old hamburger or whatever she called her, but it’s good to see an artist fully embrace a politician they love. Other entertainers, like Eva Longoria, have also been really supportive of candidates like Obama.
Loathe Hillary, but reluctantly find this semi-cute, for some reason.
HA. I just went to post this below:
“The only thing I have to offer: my beloved GNAT is going to HATE this!”
But you’ve gone all tolerant on me!
Ha! I have no explanation. Still can’t stand her, though. 😝
Edit: GNAT posted as I did. See above.
I think it’s great that Perry has the guts to stand up for something. Let’s see what her other pop star counterparts do. Taylor Swift certainly can’t show allegiance to either party, due to her country fan base.
AKA “Please vote for me, young people!”
Pretty much.
Too bad for Hil that 15 year olds cant vote.
Gross.
I am mildly disturbed that anyone in America would even consider voting this hypocritical LIAR in to Office once again.
TBH, I like her Husband way more that HRC and will only ascertain that the first time she ran for POTUS, she was not treated fairly at all (because- how ironic, she is a female).
Still, she has lied to the American Public more than once to save her own ass and is a greedy, untrustworthy Person who I would never vote for in a million years.
Too bad, too bc she was a trailblazer for years and I at least can respect her for devoting her life to public service. The irony is—don’t stand there and tell me all that you want to do to improve the lives of “Middle Class” Americans when you are a gazillionare in the top 1% yourself.
Take a hike.
Yeah, you should vote for the honest politician who has never lied to advance their career
“Honest politician”? What is this species that you speak of? Is it proven to exist?
They all lie and anyone who believes she is the only one lying is not being honest. Btw, George Bush was given the heads up that they are planning an attack by plane in the United States a month before the attack that killed over 3,000 people. George Bush never did a thing about it and there were no 10 hours inquisition of C Rice. Btw, people are still dying from the fall out of 9/11, ie cancer from working in the rubles of the World Trade Cntr. Just saying. Anyway, I’m just curious of how some people are given a pass and some are demonized for lesser mistakes.
Btw, did George ever find the weapons of mass distraction? How many people died because of that lie?, just curious.
Now, now, now! Poor George needed to take a 3 week vacation after seven months of work. The brush on his ranch needed his attention. He didn’t have time to issue an executive order to reinstate air marshalls
Wow. Do you know how many threats our government receives on a daily basis? Oh and it’s all the President’s fault. Don’t consider the CIA, Dept of State, Dept of Defense..yep that 1 out of thousands of threats is all Bush’s fault. Yeah ok.
Just because someone doesn’t like Hilary doesn’t mean they support George Bush. It doesn’t have to be either/or.
I think both of them are compulsive liars who only care about power.
@winniecoopersmom, how many of those threats make it into a memo from the national security advisor to the president of the United States? That one did. And while it may not have been specific as to date and which landmarks were targeted, it did indicate commercial carriers would be hijacked. Condoleeza Rice admitted all that, or was she lying to her own detriment? Marshals on those planes could have prevented those four hijackings and saved thousands of innocent lives, and probably would have prevented at least one of his unnecessary wars.
I don’t get all the hate she gets for being a liar. Like she’s the first politician that has ever lied. If you are a politician and your mouth is moving, there is a good chance you are lying.
She’s a woman. All women lie and she was proven to have lied therefore she cannot be president. She must have lied for woman-reasons and not good honest American Man reasons.
SMH it feels like people really forget that ALL the candidates are politicians and they all freaking lie. I’m not really a Hillary supporter but goodness I’m not going to get all futzed about her doing the same thing they all do.
Lmao Wren. “American man reasons”
But you hit the nail on the head. If a woman acts abhorrently, it’s a million times worse than when a man does. Because…you know…women shouldn’t act like that.
Most politicians lie about some things. Name another politician besides Hillary who has lied repeatedly UNDER OATH to escape punishment for illegal activities. Richard Nixon, probably. Bill Clinton. I don’t get you people. You expect and accept liars to lead you. So that’s what you get.
Well GNAT, you point me in the direction of the non-lying politician and I’ll vote for him/her. It’s very depressing, I usually don’t have faith in any of the candidates but when it’s time to vote, I go with the lesser of two evils.
Do people actually expect a politician to have integrity? Come on people. There is no way a politican would come so high up whilst remaining a decent person, especially in a country the size of The US where it’s harder to get to a national level. Of the two evils, you pick the lesser one. It’s how it goes.
I find it strange that people actually have faith in politicians in this day and age. It reminds me of the Anthony Weiner scandal when had an affair and people acted like it somehow affected him as a politician.
Totally agree, but it’s still hard to find the lesser of two evils.
Preach, but I do have a soft spot for Jimmy Carter, who really did seem to be a man of integrity and a devout Christian while in office. I think he’s always going to be my favorite president, despite how disastrous his one term in office ended up being.
“Do people actually expect a politician to have integrity? ”
I do, actually. And I would appreciate it if you could point me to any facts or actions or speech (or links to those things) that suggest Bernie Sanders does not have integrity? Or how he – who has most certainly ‘come up so high’ to the national stage – has not managed to remain a decent person?
Many of us who support his candidacy do so precisely because he does not fall into sweeping, unhelpful generalizations such as yours – but I would welcome seeing and considering any proof you may have otherwise.
(I’m certainly as cynical as many about politics and politicians… but the more I researched and read about Bernie Sanders, the more I realized I’d found one of the rare birds I could support wholeheartedly.)
Thank you, belle de jour
I expect everyone to have integrity. If someone works for me I demand that they have integrity. Our government works for US. If they are rewarded for being dishonest, then we have no one but ourselves to blame.
Politcs is a dirty game people, and people enter it to gain profit. For themselves. Maybe there were a few exceptions, but not many. I may be cynical, but you people are naive.
@Bae I disagree. I think there are tons of people who truly believe in democracy and want to make a difference and that’s why they go into politics and the public service. There are actually easier ways to get rich and influential such as going into property development, law, or finance – and these professions provide better odds. In terms of politics, you’ve got to play the game to win, and it’s our job as voters to work out whether this or that pollie has crossed the line in terms of compromising, not to get lazy and say, “It’s too dirty for me to even bother with.” If you truly believe that, you might as well as vote in a dictator and give up voting. Democracy is MEANT to be messy is heck.
The concept of voters holding institutions and people accountable goes for the actual rules of the game too. I mean, how did Citizens United become reality? Because you voted in a bunch of right-winger nut jobs who appointed a bunch of right-wing judges.
@GNAT: It’s vitally important to expect it, isn’t it – especially if we expect anything to get better. Sometimes our expectation IS what we are contributing to the process.
In other news: I am seriously beginning to suspect that you do not much care for Hillary Clinton.
I think this is a good move for Katy Perry. Supporting Obama back when he was popular was an “easier” move in terms of her public image. Hillary is a little (lot?) more controversial and takes some actual dedication and risk to come out in favor of her publicly, which may offset some of the superficiality of her image.
I don’t think Katy is doing herself or Hillary any favors by reducing her campaign to a teeny bopper level for a day. I believe Hillary is way too scandalous to lead this country anywhere but down. She couldn’t even perform competently as Secretary of State and quit after Benghazi and her ‘fall’ that hurt her head. Her and Bill’s corrupted politics go way back to Arkansas. The woman should be prosecuted and typical Clinton style has the audacity to run for President. If her lips are moving, it’s been proven she is lying.
“If her lips are moving, it’s been proven she is lying.”
You could say that for every single politician.
When politicians lips are moving they are lying, not just Hillary. I don’t believe she has lied more than anyone else. It’s just their talking point. All I’m saying is, I don’t get the hate. I have not seen her lies any bigger than other politician lies. Politicians are liars, that’s a fact. The end.
If so, I would sincerely appreciate it if you could point me to any links or facts that explain how Bernie Sanders – a career politician – has lied? And to whom, about what?
Hillary is smarter than all those men put together. Can anyone see Donald trump or Ben Carson sitting for ten hours answering questions from a hostile partisans mob. Hell, Donald and Ben begged to have their next debate limit to 2 hours or they would not show up. Hillary sat through 10 hours without breaking a sweat. He’ll, the Republicans were all in a thither when they could not get her to lose her cool after 10 hours of questioning. They never got a sound bite to bury her. Fox news who were the main ones pushing the Benghazi nonsense, stop broadcasting the witch hunt half way through.
I don’t know why the hate because all politicians lie. Didn’t they lied and stole the election from Hal Gore, was there a bigger lie than that. How about Halliburton? Lying and cheating B’s.
Smarter than the neurosurgeon? Yeah, whatever.
@my two cents
Based on what do you say that she wasn’t a competent Secretary of State? Just Benghazi? So, any Secretary of State that couldn’t stop an attack on the Embassy is incompetent? That would make most of them, if not all.
@ Alicia
Based on what Carson has been saying publicly, he is not very smart at all. So, yeah…
I am glad Katy is involving herself in politics. As is often mentioned, she has lots of younger fans. I do not see anything wrong with a pop star advocating for young folks to ‘get involved.’ If she gets kids to pay attention, where’s the harm?
Ugh.
I work for a political advocacy group and what I hear about the Clintons behind the scenes really turns me off. For example, organizations are feeling pressure to endorse Hillary early because the Clintons have long memories and are very vindictive so if you don’t endorse now and she wins you are screwed. And they are notorious for throwing people under the bus if they think it gives them an advantage.
But who cares What they are like behind the scene. You don’t vote for a politician because they are “nice”.
I care because it creates a lot of problems in terms of getting things done. Remember how gridlocked Bill Clinton’s presidency was? The Clintons are extremely polarizing and it makes it very difficult for them to accomplish anything. Remember their failure on healthcare.
Hillary has already selfied herself with the Kardashians! As far as Katy Perry goes, that’s nowhere near the bottom of the barrel as that clan…but can’t blame a politician for hustling for votes…wherever they come from, I suppose
I am definitely not a Katy Perry fan and I agree with the reporter. However, I think it helps Hillary to have Katy support her.
Well, I kind of agree with the NY Mag writer, but it’s neither Katy’s nor Hillary’s fault that young people need that injection of bubble gum pop “culture” to be interested in voting. At least Katy’s doing something and at least she’s not a crazy right-winger.
I’m seriously having a hard time getting all worked up about Benghazi.
Even if we assume she lied… She lied afterwards, not prior or during… So, her lie did not affect the outcome in any way, it didn’t cost lives, and she wouldn’t have saved any lives by telling the truth.
If she lied for political reasons, then she can join the club, I’m fairly sure they have jackets. I tend to get far more upset when lies actually cost people’s lives. Beyond that, yeah, I think expecting politicians to be truthful is naive, as nice as that would be.