Nate Parker issues statement upon learning of his alleged victim’s suicide

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On Monday, we discussed the situation with Nate Parker, who is the writer/director/producer/star of The Birth of a Nation. The film – about the Nat Turner Rebellion – was getting Oscar buzz as soon as it debuted at Sundance this year. But as many quickly learned, Parker is a problematic person – he was charged with and put on trial for raping a fellow student at Penn State in 1999. He was acquited, but his roommate was not, and then on appeal, the guilty verdict was overturned and dismissed on the roommate (who is a cowriter on TBOAN). Parker is looking at months of press and he hopes to be the centerpiece of a major Oscar campaign. So he tried to get ahead of the stories by doing an exclusive interview with Deadline over the weekend – go here to read my coverage.

As some commenters pointed out in that post, the alleged rape victim is no longer alive. She died by suicide in 2012, although Deadline didn’t point that out in their story with Parker this weekend. The Hollywood Reporter sent out this story on Tuesday:

The woman at the center of the sexual assault case shadowing The Birth of a Nation director-writer-star Nate Parker is dead, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. While THR won’t reveal her name because she was the victim of an alleged rape, records indicate that a woman whose name, age, physical location and other details that match the accuser’s in the 1999 sexual assault incident at Penn State died on April 15, 2012. She was 30 years old. Publicly available legal documents and numerous news reports and social media postings have shown that the accuser tried repeatedly to commit suicide in the weeks and months following her accusation against Parker and his friend and Birth of a Nation collaborator Jean Celestin and her eventual withdrawal from Penn State.

According to an interview with the woman’s brother, who identified himself as Johnny in an interview with Variety, the woman committed suicide and overdosed on sleeping pills. “She became detached from reality,” he told the outlet. “The progression was very quick and she took her life.”

[From THR]

I do not know if Nate Parker was unaware of his alleged victim’s suicide, although Deadline did point out that the young woman attempted suicide just weeks after her accusations against Parker and his roommate. Now we know that she died by her own hand 13 years later. Nate Parker posted a message on his Facebook in the wake of this news – claiming that he was unaware – and you can read the full piece here. He says that he is “devastated” and:

Over the last several days, a part of my past – my arrest, trial and acquittal on charges of sexual assault – has become a focal point for media coverage, social media speculation and industry conversation. I understand why so many are concerned and rightfully have questions. These issues of a women’s right to be safe and of men and women engaging in healthy relationships are extremely important to talk about, however difficult. And more personally, as a father, a husband, a brother and man of deep faith, I understand how much confusion and pain this incident has had on so many, most importantly the young woman who was involved.

I myself just learned that the young woman ended her own life several years ago and I am filled with profound sorrow…I can’t tell you how hard it is to hear this news. I can’t help but think of all the implications this has for her family. I cannot- nor do I want to ignore the pain she endured during and following our trial. While I maintain my innocence that the encounter was unambiguously consensual, there are things more important than the law. There is morality; no one who calls himself a man of faith should even be in that situation. As a 36-year-old father of daughters and person of faith, I look back on that time as a teenager and can say without hesitation that I should have used more wisdom.

I look back on that time, my indignant attitude and my heartfelt mission to prove my innocence with eyes that are more wise with time. I see now that I may not have shown enough empathy even as I fought to clear my name. Empathy for the young woman and empathy for the seriousness of the situation I put myself and others in. I cannot change what has happened. I cannot bring this young woman who was someone else’s daughter, someone’s sister and someone’s mother back to life… I have changed so much since nineteen. I’ve grown and matured in so many ways and still have more learning and growth to do. I have tried to conduct myself in a way that honors my entire community – and will continue to do this to the best of my ability. All of this said, I also know there are wounds that neither time nor words can heal.


[From Nate Parker’s Facebook]

Not to nit-pick, but I don’t understand this: “I can’t help but think of all the implications this has for her family.” Is he trying to say that, as a father/brother, he’s thinking about her family at this time? Because “implications” implies something else to me. As for the rest of it… I agree that he should have shown more empathy then and he should have shown more empathy in his Deadline interview, which was mostly about how hard everything was on him. Beyond that, I don’t know what to say. I too have sympathy for his alleged victim’s family and I wonder if they’ll have more to say in the coming months.

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  1. Mia4S says:

    I can’t find the link right now but look up the transcript of his phone call with the victim. Read it…if you can stomach it. Entitled athlete frat bros come in all colours.

    To HELL with this piece of trash. Want to learn about Nate Turner? Buy a book.

    Edit: The transcript is linked in this article. http://jezebel.com/how-hollywood-is-dealing-with-nate-parkers-1999-sexual-1785300094

    Again…to hell with him. I will not be supporting anything he does.

    • Crowdhood says:

      There is a comment on jezebel’s article that has the link. It’s horrifying. Fuck that guy.

      • Matomedah says:

        And you know what else I’m angry about? Call it RAPE. Call it rape every time. I’m so tired of reading “sexual assault.” This wasn’t groping or something lesser as that term implies. Don’t downplay it.

      • Azurea says:

        Matomedah, actually the term “sexual assault” was brought into use to criminalize ALL unwanted sexual behaviour. In that way it does not trivialize other behaviours alongside penetration.

      • Anna says:

        @Metomedah I can’t speak for everyone else but personally when I’m speaking of situations of rape sometimes I have to say sexual assault because sometimes saying the word “rape” is too emotional for me and will bring up too many bad memories (as dumb as it sounds) and saying sexual assault helps me be able to speak about different cases of rape without breaking down in general.

        I really wanted to like Nate Parker because of his film’s subject matter and the fact that he’s a black filmmaker but the evidence is pointing more and more towards the fact that he’s guilty of sexual assault so at this point I don’t want to support him at all. Maybe I’ll watch the film illegally out of curiousity but not so that it gives him more attention

      • Imqrious2 says:

        What I want to know is, what would this “man of DAUGHTERS”, “brother of SISTERS”, “husband” do if one of the females in his life are in the situation he put that poor girl in? Will he say then “it’s not rape, they implied consent” if one of them are too drunk/unconscious??? What a piece of human garbage. I just can’t wrap my head around ANYONE supporting this POS. I’m DONE!

    • LB says:

      It’s disgusting. The testimony from a third person who left the victim and two assaulters is also disturbing.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Amen. Making a film about a true hero does not make him one by extension. I will not be supporting his ego trip.

    • als says:

      A big shout-out to Fox Searchlight as well, the money people behind this rapist, homophobe, cinematic genius, husband, father of daughters (not SONS), brother to sisters (not BROTHERS) – Nate Parker.

      Apparently not a rapist because he put it this way when he talked to the victim after the fact: “I’m not try, trying to be mean, but, I felt like you put yourself in that situation, you know what I mean?” said Parker. “I really felt like I didn’t do anything wrong.” (thanks for the link Mia4S)

      The Fox people are probably sitting somewhere waiting to see if we are dumb enough to make Nate Parker our hero and fill their pockets with even more money. No doubt they knew everything and still, here we are.
      I am sorry for all the people that contributed to this film but Fox is to blame for going along with this charade and making Nate Parker their investment.

      • chaine says:

        In addition to the woman’s family, I feel sorry especially for Gabrielle Union and the other actors who likely put their heart and soul into this film that is now turning into a debacle through no fault of theirs. It reminds me of, back in the 90’s, there was a film that came out that was getting a lot of buzz, and then it was revealed that the director was a convicted child molester.

        Even though an acquittal means this guy is not criminally guilty, that does not make him “innocent.”

      • SpunkyPR says:

        @Chaine, it was Powder and Disney had produced it.

      • EM says:

        @SpunkyPR – didn’t know that and always thought Powder was a really powerful film. Unbelievable.

      • MC2 says:

        Yeah and he didn’t just rape her himself- he actually invited at least two other men to rape her with him. He didn’t get convicted on the rape himself because of implied consent but one of the other guys was found guilty of raping her. Even if his story is 100% true he is a guilty, sick pos. The rape charge was dismissed during appeal (the invited ‘friend’ was found guilty by a jury) only because the victim was too fragile to testify again. WTF?! He admits to having sex with her while a friend that he invited in raped her and then claims that he didn’t do anything illegal. I just can’t…..

      • Chinoiserie says:

        How is Fox to blame at all? Do you really think they would have bought the rights to this film of they knew this about him? You realise right that the film was bought on Sundance and not something they greenlight from the beginning? So unless you have some proof they knew about this beforehand why should they be blamed (and they nearly lost the bidding war to Newtfix which offered more money but Parker chose Fox since it can arrange better awards campaing). And of course the investors do want their 17 million to dissapear so they would still want to realease the film which is supposedly good no matter what Parker has done.

    • V4Real says:

      I’m a bit confused. That transcript doesn’t indicate that it was rape, on NP’s part. She said to him something like I’m not saying it wasn’t consenual. Maybe I read it wrong

      He should have used better judgement and not have sex with a girl who was intoxicated. He definitely shouldn’t have invited his friend to join. She was too drunk to say yes or no. I have recently been around situations like this and it’s a tough situation to be around, believe me.

      And wow David Bowie was accused of rape?

      • Geekychick says:

        If she was too drunk to say yes or no, there wasn’t a chance for consent. So it was rape. Clear as a day. There is no consent when a person is intoxicated.

      • LP says:

        The night before the rape, she performed a sex act on him because, and I’m paraphrasing from her statements, she felt like she didn’t want to have sex but felt like she owed him something. The night of the rape, she was unconscious. Unconscious people can’t consent. The fact that she’d done something consensual previously was used as a reason why he wasn’t *raping* anyone- sure, she was incapable of saying yes, but if she’d said yes earlier she isn’t allowed to change her mind! * sarcasm* That’s why the other dirtbag got charged; she’d never agreed to have sex with him. And the disgusting way they harassed her after the fact?? That confirms it for me if nothing else!

        You’ll notice in his statements now nothing along the lines of ‘I didn’t rape her’, just a bunch of BS about how it’s affected HIM. And David Bowie’s history of underage sex. while extremely horrible, aren’t relevant here in my view. That girl was conscious and believed she was old enough to consent, and he didn’t harass her afterwards (not an excuse but I don’t see similarities).

      • INeedANap says:

        He told her directly that the situation was her fault and he thinks he didn’t do anything wrong. A woman too drunk to move or open her eyes. It’s the old canard, “what did you expect when you got drunk?”

        I wonder how our world would change if men feared rape when they got drunk too.

      • als says:

        @V4: Are you joking?

      • V4Real says:

        @als if the “are you joking” comment is directed at me. No, I’m not joking. what would I be joking about. Rape is not a joke. If that’s all you have to say, then don’t say anything at all.

        @Geekychick You’re just repeating what I already said. I said the young lady was too drunk to say yes or no and he should have used better judgment. I did say the transcript was a bit confusing and thought it was presented as proof of rape. That’s why I said it doesn’t indicate Nate as a rapist. I thought it was used in court as proof of him raping her but now I see that it wasn’t.

        I also said that lately I have been a part of an investigation where two young men still in their teens have been accused of raping an intoxicated teen. I also had to report an alleged rape of another teen girl by another teen boy. I was just saying these types of situations can be tough. If you have been face to face with the victims and the accused you would understand what I’m talking about.

        @LP My comment on David Bowie being accused of rape was a reaction of surprise on my part because I never knew that about him. I didn’t say it was relevant to anything or comparing it to anything. I don’t understand why you went off on a tantrum about that.

      • Scal says:

        I think you need to read the transcript/testimony of witnesses more closely.

        What you are referring to with the “I’m not saying it wasn’t consensual” was about the activity from the night before. Which who hasn’t been there at some point? Guy wants to go all the way, you don’t but you still want him to like you-so you do something else so he’ll be interested. It’s not a free pass for future behavior.

        Most importantly that statement was made when the police were having her call parker several time so they could try and get a taped confession out of him. They were listening in on the call, recording her, and telling her what to say. Trying to use her words during that call against her is unfair.

        Based upon witness testimony (and this was his friends not hers) she had gotten tired and tipsy hanging out at their house, and had gone upstairs to go to bed. Parker, the other guy, and everyone else remained downstairs watching tv. So it’s not like she was making out with him and passed out and then tried to pass it off as something. She went to sleep at her boyfriend’s house. Later parker went upstairs, saw she was passed out, raped her, and then starting waving in all of his friends to join. One friend joined in. One refused and testified that he walked in and saw them both with her-and said that she was unconscious and was unresponsive. He walked out and did nothing to stop it.

        Based on what state college was like in 1999-for this to even make it to trial meant the DA had solid evidence. They pride themselves on being ‘safe for students’ and very much try to keep things like this under wraps. Less so today. The only reason he got off was because some idiot jury decided if you hook up with a guy once, then it’s a free pass forever. The only reason the charges were dropped on the friend was because they stalked and harassed her for a year to force her not to testify. They hired PI’s to follow her around. Everyone around State College knew this was going on at the time, and it was a big scandal then.

      • Flowerchild says:

        @V4Real

        From my understanding the first time it was forced consensual were she gave him oral sex the next time she was unconscious and there was a witness. That’s when Nate Parker was “offering” her unconscious body to his friends. Yes he was the ringleader and then harassed and stalked her afterwards.

      • Taiss says:

        And the fact that he invited his friends to join is so disturbing, if he honestly thinks he did nothing wrong.

        When she was sober it was just the 2 of them, the day she’s unconscious he thinks it’s normal to invite his friends? Disgusting.

      • Wren says:

        Remember this was 1999. The internet wasn’t the global forum it is today and people were much more isolated, so to speak. Rape victims were even less likely to be believed and there were fewer places to turn to for justice. Remember the Stanford rape victim’s letter? We all read that, but such a thing would not have been possible back then.

        The fact that this went to trial at all, with an initial guilty verdict for one man no less, and that in all his words, Parker doesn’t deny doing it, well, I have strong opinions on this. Would you talk that way if you’d done nothing wrong? Nope. He knows he’s guilty as hell, maybe he doesn’t really consider it rape (he certainly didn’t at the time), but these aren’t the words of a man accused of something he knows he didn’t do.

      • iseepinkelefants says:

        And that’s what makes it more deplorable; he didn’t just rape her, he invited his friends to join in as well. and I know it sounds stupid to give rape different levels but that to me is like rape 2.0. It’s not enough for you to violate her body, you have to entice others to violate her as well. You’re not only a POs human being, you’re a POS sadistic human being. Just ugh to this whole story. I will never see anything by this actor.

      • V4Real says:

        @Scal I did read it again. In my first comment I said maybe I read it wrong and was a bit confused. I thought the transcript was used as evidence against Nate in court. That’s why I said there wasn’t any incriminating evidence that Nate raped her that could be used against him.

        I’m not condoning what he did as @als seems to be eluding to in her “are you joking” comment. He was wrong for what he did and for what he allowed his friend to do. It seems to me that she liked him and perhaps wanted to pursue a real relationship with him and he took advantage of that. He is disgusting for doing that. Unfortunately I am around quite a few situations that are similar to this one with teens. I have had to sit in rooms with the victims and the accused, so yeah, I have some insight on these young dumb teen boys who thinks it’s ok to have sex with intoxicated girls.

      • Cora says:

        His victim wasn’t just “intoxicated”. She was unconscious. Witnesses testified to that fact.

      • detritus says:

        @V4Real
        My read was completely different.

        The transcript shows that she was so out of it, she doesn’t even know how many people were there.
        She was begging Nate to tell her who the others were, and telling him that she didn’t want to do it. That she was barely conscious.

        Jane Doe – ‘Nate, I didn’t want to have sex with you that night. I mean everyone I’ve had sex with before have always been in a relationship’
        JD – ‘How did he come to be there’ (refering to the third person)
        NP – ‘He was still there, … and you didn’t stop it, you know what I mean’
        JD – ‘But Nate I was so out of it, I was, my whole body was numb, I couldn’t do anything about it’

        Then follows him saying she was so drunk she consented and doesn’t remember. Which isn’t consent.

        He invited other people to join, because they were around, and she was nothing to him. When she had specifically said she wasn’t even comfortable having sex with him, alone, the day before.
        Girl said no, so he got her so intoxicated she could barely speak.

        direct link to site:
        https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/callexcerpt-wm.pdf

      • grumpy bird says:

        “Dumb teen boys” who think it’s ok to have sex with girls who are too intoxicated to consent are rapists. End of.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I think when reading the transcript of the phone call, it’s good to keep in mind that she is trying to get information out of him. She needs something from him, so that probably influenced her choice of words. She was desperate to find out who had been inside of her. What a horrific position to be in. You know people did things to you, but you don’t know who, so you have to try and drag the information out of someone who so incredibly violated you.

        Sigh. My heart goes out to this woman and her family. I am so sad that she took her life.

      • Geekychick says:

        No, I didn’t repeat what you said because I said it was RAPE. Not “he should have used beter judgement”. He shouldn’t have RAPED her, and then harrassed her. He should have been behaving as a human being, not a sadist.
        My god, rape culture is stroncand well, I see.
        I totally agree with grumpy bird, and I hope you’re not telling the victims that their rapista were “dumb teenage boys” who made a mistake, should have used better judgement or explaining and excusing their assault.

      • Mel says:

        If she was too intoxicated to consent, it was rape. He’s a rapist. Your attitude is why rape is still condoned by certain segments of the population. Young drunk teenage boys? GMAB.

    • Kitten says:

      I seriously feel nauseous after reading that. Dude “waved on” other men, asking them if they wanted a piece. SMDH.

      Yeah I won’t be seeing this guy’s movie and he can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned. All my sympathy goes to his victim and her family. So tragic and sad.

      • FLORC says:

        So the nausea isn’t just with me. This should have a trigger warning attached.
        It’s all so horrible. What he did before, during, and after is absolutely inexcusable. And she clearly was no able to outrun her pain.
        All of it. Just horrible.
        Top it off with his statement.. I cant.

    • Donna Martin says:

      I read the transcript of that phone call. Shady AF that girl was raped and it’s tearing up my heart reading her side of the conversation. Having that jackass trying to convince her otherwise is mind numbing. I’m sorry she went through this.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I’m glad it has been confirmed that she committed suicide. I read it in a comment yesterday but couldn’t confirm if it was true. There was nothing online that I could find about her life ending. I’m glad the truth is being brought to light.

    • vaultdweller101 says:

      Screw this dude. Wow. Damn. And Hollywood / the general public are just going to handwave this away, you know it. I mean, who cares about a young girl’s life which was utterly and savagely destroyed, when her rapist is brilliant at making entertainment movies? Jesus.

      • Miss S says:

        Actually I went trough Variety’s comments and twitter and was surprised how most people by a large margin were pretty much saying not only how horrible he is as a person, but who had actually read parts of the legal documents. They shared links and added info I didn’t know about at the time.

        Maybe this time the general public will make enough noise and create pressure so this won’t go away.

      • vaultdweller101 says:

        @ Miss S: I am pleasantly surprised and thankful, then. I really hope that trend continues, because so many of these cases are dusted under the rug.

      • Naya says:

        Dont get me wrong, its great that people are going after him but please lets not pretend that this is some new found respect for female victims. I invite you to look through Amber Heards comments.

        He is a black guy whose victim is rumored to be a white girl, who has made a film about black uprisings at a time when BLM is THE hot button issue, the rape is a convenient attack point. He may be paying for that which he got away with, which is a good thing but please dont pretend like this wouldnt run a very different direction were he white. Dont deceive yourself that the next white director with a rape acquittal in their past will face this type of scrutiny. Public opinion leaning against him does not mean that it lies with the victim or that we have made any progress against rape culture.

      • Miss S says:

        @Naya, you are reaching to conclusions that are not mine. I have no illusions, but personally his colour is indifferent and I didn’t even know the victim was white. And I actually doubt it would be different if he was white, in this case, I really do. If anything some people feel disappointed because him and his film felt like the voice that people were waiting for.

        My rage comes from hollywood trying to work this out so it won’t hurt the film and the things he have said about the matter which don’t show pure regret or any kind of redemption.

        What I saw online was less excuses for him which surprised me, that was my point. And I’ve followed closely the nastiness around Amber and it was PRECISELY because of that I was surprised. I can’t say if this shows more respect towards women, but it shows to me that there’s a shift about how sexual abuse is perceived. We are talking about it in ways we didn’t a few years ago.

      • Naya says:

        Hollywood isnt trying to protect him, they are trying to protect their investment. Like you, I noticed the trends in comments on sites that are usually hostile to women victims. If you genuinely think that race isnt the real issue here on those sites then you are very mistaken. Roman Polanski, an actually convicted rapist who absconded to escape justice, has public opinion on his side and has since his conviction. Victor Salva who actually served time for molesting boys has been entrusted with the Jeepers Creepers sequel this year. With Woody Allen, “the internet” argues that he was never charged and that his accuser was brainwashed. Even when there are tapes of a white director threatening to murder a woman (Mel Gibson), the overwhelming public sentiment is that the woman is a lying manipulating PoS. Lets not forget that it wasnt even the misogyny that cracked Mels career and while he tries to backtrack the antisemitism, he never addresses what he did to Oksana and nobody seems to care. So no, you would be gravely mistaken to think that a white Nate Parker who did not have a race themed movie coming out would face even a fraction of this. Were he white, the discussion would be around the fact that he was acquitted and the “feminazis” should get over it. Also, “bitches be lying”.

        I am not here to demand that people lay off him because theres a racial dimension playing out under the surface. This is not the hill I want to die on. I am here to caution that nothing has changed and its fool hardy to think that the publics response to this case represents anything in the broader scheme.

      • Miss S says:

        @Naya, you can’t fairly look at the cases you stated that happened years ago and to what happens today and say that as a society nothing changed. We are having conversations we didn’t have when the other cases became public. There is less tolerance.

        Yu had Cosby victims on a magazine cover. But that’s now, it would have never happened a few years ago.

        So no, I don’t make it about race.

    • Boo says:

      I’m not able to read it (triggering) but thank you for this comment with the link and i’m really glad you’re first in way up top with it.

      Agree with sentiment that this dude is a trash human being. I don’t care how much he’s grown. I’m disgusted that he’s been skating through life all this time and then went on to reproduce.

      • Miss S says:

        He didn’t mature enough if he still thinks he is innocent! The thing is he admits that he did what he was accused of, but he doesn’t think it was rape or that wrong for that matter. Which I feel makes it even worse.

    • jugil1 says:

      Thank you for helping to expose what scum this guy truly is. He “waved” for his friends to join in on the assault. What a piece of work! I won’t support this guy’s movie no matter how great it is hailed by critics. His lack of character is unbelievable.

    • Miss S says:

      “While I maintain my innocence that the encounter was unambiguously consensual”

      REALLY? I read the transcripts you assh*le and you are SCUM! I had trouble going to sleep because those images wouldn’t go away!

      He brought friends to rape her, they took turns and she had flashes of it. She didn’t even know Parker’s friend who was found guilty! And on the phone he told her that it was basically her fault and that he thought he didn’t do anything wrong! HOW WAS THIS UNAMBIGUOUSLY CONSENSUAL? Where is that empathy you are talking about now!!!!

      He may want this to let go, but to what concerns me I won’t let that happen. I hope the media doesn’t allow this to go either. Let’s not allow this sort of sh*t to be forgotten! If he wants redemption this isn’t the way to do it.

      I’m blind by rage right now.

    • Nicole says:

      Exactly its disgusting. The call, the stalking, the attempts at suicide….all turns my stomach. He and his co-writer (who was actually convicted) can go to hell.
      The worst part? All the black men caping for these two as if its some conspiracy this came up. The audacity that they would defend two rapist because conspiracy.

      This movie can go away for all i care. I won’t support it

    • Cel2495 says:

      He is disgusting! I can’t believed there was no justice for this woman and now she is dead. Our lives are worth nothing apparently 🙁

    • H says:

      I’ll never see this movie either. He’s a rapist. End of story.

    • anon says:

      I wish I hadn’t read the transcript. Made me so sick.. I almost threw up. People have gotten used to valuing women less than white and men of color. This has to stop..

    • Tana says:

      Thanks for the link. The transcript is disturbing. He obviously knew she was out of it. When she asks him, who else had sex with me that night, he answers her, knowing she would have no idea.

      It’s despicable what happened to her. He raped her multiple times, while she was unconscious. She woke up to find him still raping her. She woke up to find that she has been raped by multiple people.

      He then went on to stalk her and basically make it impossible for her to study there anymore.

      I want POC to be recognised in Hollywood, but not this guy!

  2. grabbyhands says:

    Unfortunately this is probably the closest the family will get to him admitting any kind of responsibility.

    It is mind boggling how he manages to sound victimized, blameless by virtue of youth AND self congratulatory all at the same time.

    • tracking says:

      Classic narcissist.

    • BunnyBear says:

      Agree. All the “I” statements, “father of daughters”, “person of faith”.
      Just shut the f up.

      • anna says:

        uhhh, faith. i was waiting for that argument. he really is making it worse, one self-centered, i’m-the-real-victim-here statement after another.

      • qwerty says:

        The worst part to me is “this young woman who was someone else’s daughter, someone’s sister and someone’s mother” . Umm, how about… SHE was someone?

    • Kitten says:

      IKR?

    • Shambles says:

      It’s frickin’ Brock Turner lite. But don’t you want to hear how a few minutes of “action” affected ME? How I have to face the consequences of my actions and that makes ME the victim?

      Who’s teaching these men that you’re allowed to complain about the consequences of your own actions as if you’re the one who’s being victimized, when in reality you’re a predator? Ugh. F*ck rapists.

    • Brandy Armstrong says:

      This!! I’ve felt the same way reading his BS comments about this situation. It makes me physically ill – especially how he keeps trying to use the women in his life as some sort of valid shield as to why he’s ‘innocent’ – all rapists have women in their life you AHOLE, doesn’t stop them either. The ONLY reason he wasn’t convicted was bc of the sexual contact they had the night before so it was the same incorrect (and insane) logic used when husbands rape their wives – makes me so so mad at our legal system.
      Side note: there is an AMAZING piece on consent on HuffPo – I can’t embed it for some reason so here’s the title “An Essay on Consent, From a Woman who Hosts Huge Sex Parties”. If you Don’t focus on the sex party aspect (which I could care less about myself) it is a great & informative break down. Personally I questioned why most of it isn’t already incorporated into sexual assault laws but then I remembered we live in rape culture so of course it isn’t *sigh*
      Love to all my CB posters – you guys really do give me hope that there still are amazing, compassionate, empathetic smart people out there!!

      • Aren says:

        Kesha’s rapist did the same, he used his female relatives to try to make himself look less like a rapist.

    • Wren says:

      I read everything waiting for a denial. And it never came. Not once does he say “I didn’t do this”. Not even a hint. It’s all “clearing his name” and “being devastated”. Devastated by false accusations? Well, doesn’t say but wouldn’t you expect an innocent man to say that? I’d be shouting it from the rooftops if I was accused of something I didn’t do. He wants to prove his innocence, but that’s not the same as actually BEING innocent.

      He says a lot of words, and maybe he’s since realized what he did was wrong and he’s changed. That’s how it read to me. “I totally did this thing, it was wrong and bad and I know that. The idea of my kids meeting teenage me at college scares the crap out of me. I don’t want to get in trouble for it, though, and I’m certainly never going to admit it. But my conscience won’t let me flat out deny it because that is a big fat lie.” It’s amazing how far people will go to technically not lie about stuff.

      • anna says:

        yeah he is so devastated.
        he is so sorry for himself that this story got picked up by the media.

      • Wren says:

        Yup. Not devastated because he’s innocent, devastated because he’s not and it’s coming back to bite him in the ass when he thought he’d left it well behind him.

      • Miss S says:

        He can’t say he didn’t do it because he assumed what he did, it’s in the court papers. There’s the transcript of a phone call he made to her, there’s a friend who was invited to rape her who didn’t do it and who later testified as a witness for her.
        The thing is, he sees it has something that is not rape. That’s what he is innocent of, what he says he is innocent of. His interpretation of his actions are not the same as ours. So no, he can’t say he didn’t do it, he was found not guilty simply because he was intimate with her the day before (which is another problematic interpretation).

        This talk has nothing to do with redemption. He is just sorry for himself.

      • Wren says:

        I agree he’s feeling very sorry for himself. Above all he’s “devastated” that he’s got to deal with this again, on the eve of his cinematic breakthrough. In a way though it feels like there’s something more behind what he says. If he truly thought it wasn’t rape and wasn’t a big thing I don’t think he’d talk like this. He’s so verbose and rambling, especially about his family. It makes me think the gravity of what he’s done is really starting to weigh on him now that it’s his daughters who are going off to college. Old sins cast long shadows, eh? He thought this was buried and gone and now he’s being forced to think about it again. I don’t know if he’s sorry at all or just sorry he got caught.

      • Samtha says:

        The thing about his family just seems, to me, like another version of “I’m not homophobic, I have gay friends/relatives!”

        He can’t be a misogynistic rapist because he has daughter! And because he had daughters, he understands how valuable women are!

        One might wonder why it took him having five daughters to recognize that women are human beings.

    • I Choose Me says:

      That whole statement. It’s still all about him. I’m torn between rage and wanting to puke.

  3. tracking says:

    Unambiguously consensual? Bullshit. I will not buy what he’s selling.

    • sa says:

      Unambiguously consensual, but he should have used more wisdom. If something’s “unambiguously consensual” one doesn’t have to worry about using more wisdom.

      • BunnyBear says:

        Right. And he has so much empathy for the victim yet he still co-wrote a film with the man who was found guilty of raping her. That seems kind of messed up, what with him being a father of daughters and all.

      • Kitten says:

        I keep forgetting about that, Bunnybear, that he actually collaborated with a proven rapist.

        This guy sucks so bad.

      • OrigialTessa says:

        If you look into the case more, I think Nate is the mastermind behind the rape, and if anyone should have been proven to be the rapist, first and foremost it should have been him. He was the one that knew her and had consensual relations with her in the past. To then go take advantage of her while passed out drunk and inviting his friends to join in???? I can’t even tell you how sickened by him I am. I’m sure he was very charming and charismatic, and then she wakes up and realizes what he had done to her, and allowed his friends to do to her… Her soul was crushed, destroyed, decimated that day… RIP.

      • Maire3 says:

        Yeah, I remember hearing some frat-bro’s talking about “freaky chicks” one time. It’s not hard to reach the conclusion that the label was applied to this poor woman, since you know, she gave him a bj the day before. Reading that he INVITED a 2nd / bystander to join in makes me suspect he would have escalated this to running a train on the victim.

  4. toni says:

    Rapists have no empathy for their victims. He can die in fire.

  5. LB says:

    It’s a good statement (admittedly little self centric) but it’s too little, too late. It comes after she died, it comes after that awful self promoting, self justifying deadline interview. Plus his motivation is purely to save this film. It’s obvious.

    I don’t have a problem with anyone else going to watch the movie he made (although I have read some bad reviews despite the hype). I won’t be going though or actively seeking it out. Nat Turner deserved better than these two depicting his legacy.

    As for Oscarssowhite, there are a lot of great movies about African Americans coming out this year. I’d rather they get the attention than Nate Parker.

    • KHLBHL says:

      The statement reads like Fox Searchlight, their lawyers, and their publicists have been scouring and reading all the blogs and been crafting their idea of a perfect response. This statement sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who went through it with a fine-toothed comb. And of course this time they had to make sure they/he sounded sympathetic to the victim and declare Parker’s ‘innocence’. His Deadline interview went awry; they’re trying to fix things.

    • Esmom says:

      KHLBHL, My thoughts exactly. I also thought some of the wording seemed to specifically counter some of the comments about the Deadline piece. They are in full damage control mode. Gross.

    • Sam says:

      I don’t like the “unambiguously consensual” part. It sounds like he hasn’t learned or grown, as he claims.

      He can talk about how he personally perceived the situation on that night, but there is no dispute that the victim had a lot to drink. It would have been much better to say that he now has a better understanding of intoxication and consent than he did as a 19 yo. That’s what he needs to have learned.

  6. Naya says:

    Anyone know why he was acquitted when the other guy in the room was convicted?

    • tracking says:

      Because the victim had had consensual sex with him, but not his friend, before. So clearly that meant a lifetime pass, whether or not she gave consent. Reprehensible!

      • als says:

        Yeah and I am sure Nate figured if she said yes to him once then it was yes forever both for him and for his friends. That’s why they tried to invite a third guy. Nate probably had many friends.

        It’s amazing also that he is still such a good friend with his partner in crime. Years and years after college they are still together, writing movies and searching for glory.

      • Naya says:

        Jeezus!! Was the judge a frat bro too? Seriously, its great that Nate is getting his comeuppance but somebody needs to spotlight this judge. If s/he ruled this once, s/he probably did it many times.

      • Taiss says:

        @als can you imagine that his wife was his girlfriend at the time of the rape? She’s just as disgusting as all of them.

      • iseepinkelefants says:

        But that’s the sad thing; she admits she didn’t want to have sex with him. She said she gave him a blowjob because like most girls she probably figured she had to give him something or he would stop liking her. I hate that as women we feel (our younger selves at least) that we would ever have to do that to “keep” a man. And in this case it hurt her because she did something she didn’t want to do to avoid something that was later against her will. She even states that she didn’t have any intention at that point at least to have sex with him.

        And the sad thing, the girls in the link that are saying yeah well I didn’t want to have sex but because I went there it was like I was fair game but that’s not rape. Anytime you are forced into a sexual situation that you feel uncomfortable with, that should always be considered rape end of.

    • Little Darling says:

      @naya From my limited understanding he and the victim had a consensual sexual relationship prior, and in his eyes it was consensual.

      That was my take. Not sure if it’s accurate.

    • toni says:

      He dated the victim before that one assult and that gave him the freepass. You know, women can’t be raped by their husbands/boyfriends./sarcasm

      • als says:

        From the way she described it in the courtroom, the first time does not sound entirely consensual either, a bit forced consensual, as in she was the freshman and he was in the wrestling team, they had barely met and he was all over her on a bed and she was embarrassed/ scared (whatever it was, it does not look like she was anxious to have sex with him) to say no. So, instead of having sex with him, she gave him a BJ.

        I don’t know how a judge, after hearing her story, used that first sexual contact as motivation for a not-guilty verdict. I don’t know how a judge (actually I think there’s more than one) figured that she would have sex with Parker and his friend after she avoided sex with Parker in the first place.

        Nate Parker certainly has a very flexible definition of ‘consensual’.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        From a little court transcript I read, they weren’t in a relationship. He was over the day before and tried to have sex with her and she gave him oral instead. The next night was when the rape occurred.

      • Chris says:

        Judges can be shockingly ignorant when it comes to this kind of abuse. We recently had a judge suspended in Canada because in court he asked a rape victim “why she didn’t fight harder?” And “why didn’t she bare down harder in the sink so the accused couldn’t penetrate her?”. He got suspended and attended therapy and maybe some kind of sensitivity training. After that he thought he should be promoted or something(sorry I can’t recall the specific role or title he referred to) because all of his recent training made him so understanding and informed on the subject of sexual abuse. A grown man who had just recently asked a victim on trial those disgusting and insulting questions!

      • manda says:

        to als: I’m not entirely sure of the facts here, but he likely had a jury trial, and so it was a panel of 10-12 people that made the decision. that’s even worse (to me, at least)

        I haven’t read all of the stories about this, but as soon as I saw him emphasize that he was acquitted (which only means the evidence wasn’t there, NOT that he was innocent) and heard she committed suicide, I was pretty sure he was guilty. (Super bummer because I liked him in Beyond the Lights.) I just can’t stomach reading the details of these horrible horrible rape stories anymore. I struggle to understand how there are so many people that think doing that is ok. It makes me very sad

      • caitlinK says:

        I was raped by my boyfriend, but told I had a terrible chance of winning in court as I’d “had consensual sex with him so frequently” before the rape. I had been in the process of breaking up w him when he raped me. I never pressed charges, was too intimidated and scared and devastated to. The idea that having had sex with your rapist previously nullifies the act of rape at a later point is so cruel and so absurd. My heart goes out to this young woman (RIP) and her family.

      • Crumpet says:

        caitlinK – that is horrible. I hope you are doing OK. Thank you for sharing from your own personal history how screwed up our rape culture is.

    • Caitiecait says:

      Because there was some consensual sexual contact the day before the attack. Apparently there was a third guy who saw what was happening, was invited to join in, but left. According to his testimony, her eyes were closed and she wasn’t moving.

    • Mia4S says:

      It appears to be because he and the victim had consensual sex on another occasion; *sarcasm on* because of course once a woman has sex, she’s fair game when unconscious. Also the other guy only got off because the victim decided not to testify on the appeal…because she was clearly so traumatized she was suicidal! 😡😡😡

      This guy is garbage. I really hope the Toronto Film Festival reconsiders hosting the film as a gala. This whole thing is gross.

    • Plank says:

      And also apparently he and the other douche bag stalked and harassed the woman after the sexual assault took place so that could have been to do with it.

      He and the other guy are vile individuals!!

      • Ji-yun says:

        The harassment alone is a whole bag of horror. I mean, they even enlarged photos of her and pinned them around campus identifying her as the victim in this case under the guise of collecting evidence about her untrustworthiness. No wonder she dropped out. She could barely leave her dorm.

      • Plank says:

        Very true. Sad

      • Aren says:

        He did what?! That’s atrocious!

      • Tiffany :) says:

        OMG, Ji-yun!!!! That is terrible!
        That poor woman. My heart breaks for her.

      • Maire3 says:

        @Ji-yun. Just when I think it could not be any worse. That is a truck-load of horror. I can’t even find the worlds to comment further.

    • FLORC says:

      Naya
      It’s all so hard to know in a way that seems justified.
      Which, imo, is why many rapist are not found guilty. Too many factors that shouldn’t mean anything are counted. It’s not right.

      My 2 cents on this case in particular.. they put the victim on trial. They focused on her vs the pos monsters that did those things.

  7. als says:

    My God, this is terrible.
    And this guy is disgusting. Again, with the mentioning of daughters. I think he mentions them twice or three times.

    Take your movie and shove it up your ass, Nate Parker!

    • doofus says:

      “As a husband, father of daughters and a man of faith…did I mention I have a wife? and daughters? and that I’m a religious man?…oh, and BTW, I have daughters and am a man of faith.”

      and being any one or all of things does not prevent you from being a rapist, you RAPIST.

      • Kitten says:

        YES Doofus!
        You read my mind, friend.

      • FingerBinger says:

        Josh Duggar made a similar statement.

      • Brandy Armstrong says:

        ♥️‼️ EXACTLY

      • Wren says:

        No, but I think he’s starting to realize just how bad rape is. He brings up his daughters as a shield, yes, but the possibility of them meeting a boy just like him when they go to college seems to be weighing on his mind. Thinking about someone doing to them what he did to another appears to be getting to him. Again, none of his words are from a man who thinks he did nothing wrong.

  8. Donna Martin says:

    I can’t help but think how difficult his rise to fame would be for this poor woman. She wouldn’t be able to scape him, not that she ever did obviously.
    RIP 🙁

    • lucy2 says:

      I was thinking the same, how horrible it would be to have to see him everywhere with this movie, I didn’t realize she had passed away. I feel so sad for her and her loved ones.

    • Samtha says:

      I’ve been thinking that about her family. How must they feel, seeing this man and the other rapist get so many accolades?

  9. TommyGirl says:

    Sounds unfortunately common.

    RIP to the victim.

    • LB says:

      I read the victim’s brother’s comments and he said he thought the outcome would have been different if the trial occurred in 2016. Sadly, I doubt that.

      • Pinky says:

        I think her brother might be right. There’s a lot more awareness about campus sexual assault and accountability on the part of the universities. There is also social media that 1. allows victims to be mercilessly bullied and 2. allows accused perpetrators to be vilified. More people might have believed her, but more people would have attacked her too and perhaps driven her to suicide then as well.

        –TheRealPinky

      • Sam says:

        There are actually A LOT of similarities to the recent Steubenville rape case: two athletes accused of raping a heavily intoxicated victim, eyewitness(es) who didn’t participate, a prior relationship between the victim and one of the accused, and the victim getting intoxicated without any help from the accused.

        Both of the Steubenville athletes were convicted by a judge in juvenile court.

  10. Betti says:

    After watching The Hunting Ground I can believe that Penn State covered this up and blamed the victim, this combined with evidence that he has history for mega douche behaviour he should NOT be celebrated in any way.

    Many rape victims attempt suicide as they are demonised and the authorities refuse to believe them. Men like Parker who rape once and get away with it, will do it again as they know the establishment will protect him. Just look at Johnny Depp and how HW protects him, even thou he’s practically admitted to being a drunk wife beater.

    • lucy2 says:

      Penn State certainly has been proven to cover crimes up (as an alum, I’m sickened but can’t say I’m surprised, that sports program is their bread and butter) but in this case, the local (not university) police were involved, the 2 men were arrested, tried, and 1 was convicted. No cover up this time.

  11. Jessie Quinton says:

    I read the phone transcript. It was a bit better than I thought it would be, TBH. What happened between him, the roommate and the victim should never have happened. Just because she gave him oral the day before the incident doesn’t mean he got a lifetime pass to have sex with her, and certainly not with his roommate. The girl was obviously out of it, they took advantage and they should have used more sense.

    I hate that he keeps mentioning his wife and daughters in his statements, as if being married and having daughters suddenly absolves him of what happened in his past. He should just admit what he did was wrong, and make some kind of reparation to the victim’s family, as well as a sizeable donation to a charity for women who have been raped. I wasn’t there, he was legally exonerated in the case, but there’s so much grey area to go through where I feel like I can’t call him a rapist, but equally I know what he did was wrong and he needs to do more to prove his remorse on this matter.

    Sigh, my head hurts.

    • Geekychick says:

      If you can not give consent (and you can’t when you’re intoxicated and out of it), no matter if you gave it a day before, any kind of sexual contact is sexual assault. It’s rape.

    • Livealot says:

      + 1

      • Jessie Quinton says:

        Oh no, obviously that’s right. If you’re out of it, and someone forces themselves on you, it’s rape. But does anyone have the court transcripts where she says she didn’t consent to sleeping with NP? I can only find info on her saying she didn’t consent to Celestin. I’m just in the dark as to what exactly she said happened that night–all i have to go with is NP saying it was consensual and he being exonerated. Thanks!

      • Natalie says:

        She couldn’t consent because she was passed out at the time. There was a witness. Nate Parker also was “offering” her unconscious body to his friends so I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that she was aware of what he was doing.

        Marital rape had been declared illegal in all 50 states only 6 years before this case. It may be that in 1999, this poor woman couldn’t bring herself to call it rape. Now in 2016, it is unambiguously considered rape to have sex with an unconscious woman whether she is a stranger, girlfriend or wife.

      • Jessie Quinton says:

        I didn’t know about the black out drunk part–I thought it was a case where she was drunk and conscious enough to consent to doing it with NP but not to Celestin. I certainly didn’t know about him offering her about to others.

        Yeah, he could go f— himself with a chainsaw then.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      I thought the transcript was awful. And if I had doubts before, they are gone now. Through a large portion of it she asks him questions about that night. Asking him about basic things like who was there. He never once says “You were there, you had sex with him, why are you asking?” No, he calmly explains and is never confused about why he has to explain. That comes later when he is trying to convince himself (he even explicitly states that he keeps telling himself this over and over) and her that she participated actively and willingly.

      I HATE the consent debate. It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen discussed with complete sincerity. Consent??? Can we raise the bar and go for enthusiasm???

      • Ava says:

        “I HATE the consent debate.”

        So do I – when the stakes are so high and there’s any uncertainty you don’t err on the side of you know, likely/possibly raping someone.

        With the drinking issue it’s understood in virtually ever other context that when someone is obviously drunk you are legally & morally obligated to proceed with caution or not proceed at all but this somehow becomes “ambiguous” with rape. That failure to prosecute is down to it being a “he said/she said” crime and hard to prove is another bugbear, especially when it comes from people who seems to otherwise “get it”.

    • Wren says:

      Can we please stop using such soft language to describe rape? Sexually assaulting an unconscious person isn’t a case of “you should have used better judgement”. We don’t say things like that about murderers or other violent criminals. We say things like “how could you even conceive doing such a thing?!” But for some reason we try to downgrade rape, especially on a college campus, into “poor judgment” or some such “mistake” or “moment in time”. Like you got drunk and gorged on Taco Bell the night before a big exam. Something to be ashamed about but not something that will matter a few years down the line.

      • Jessie Quinton says:

        I wasn’t trying to soften the language. Rape is a horrible, disgusting act of violence against women, men, children. It’s an act of power that completely crushes lives, AND it IS a lack of good judgement. People who have good judgement don’t go raping drunk girls at frat parties and then pass them around to their friends, and then expect people to give them a pass just because they make a good movie later on in life.

        After finding out more facts about the case, I am OK saying I don’t want to give him the benefit of the doubt now.

        My instinct is to believe the woman first. Recently, I had a friend who was accused of rape, and my instinct was to believe the girl first. He steadfastly defended himself, and I just didn’t want to hear about it because “Believe the woman first”. Then she took the story back, and she said she lied about the whole thing to get back at him for something– ended up having to pay his court costs and everything.

        I’m not saying that’s what happened with this poor woman, RIP. I guess I’ve just had my belief system shaken up a bit.

      • Wren says:

        It is poor judgment but it’s something far more than that. It’s poor judgment to kill people but we don’t stop there, unlike how most campus rape cases are treated. If you got drunk and deliberately murdered someone, “poor judgment” would not be the main phrase thrown around. People would assume (rightly) that even while intoxicated you would know that murder is deeply wrong. Rape is not treated as such, and it should be. There should be an inherent aversion to violating someone’s body just as deeply ingrained as there is against killing that person. That starts with how we talk about rape and the gravity of the consequences, not only legally but emotionally and socially. So it’s not a “mistake” it’s a serious crime. It’s not “poor judgment” it’s a fundamental wrong.

        I’m sorry your friend was falsely accused. That sucks. I wish people wouldn’t do that because it weakens the already tenuous justice rape victims receive and gives rapists an easy out.

      • Miss S says:

        @Wren:
        “There should be an inherent aversion to violating someone’s body just as deeply ingrained as there is against killing that person. That starts with how we talk about rape and the gravity of the consequences, not only legally but emotionally and socially. So it’s not a “mistake” it’s a serious crime. It’s not “poor judgment” it’s a fundamental wrong.”

        ALL of this. If we commit a crime and didn’t intend to then there’s negligence, but it’s still a crime and we will pay the price for it. This washy washy way of how society/courts see rape is troubling and needs to stop.

  12. IE says:

    I wonder how his wife feels about this or his family? Do they not care?

    • Goldie says:

      I read that his wife was actually friendly with the victim. They all went to Penn State together. I too wonder how she feels. This whole case is so tragic.

      • Jayna says:

        The wife and his mother will use it against the girl, not him.

      • Esmom says:

        If his wife knew the victim then it shouldn’t be news to him that she died? I don’t buy that he just found that out.

      • Goldie says:

        I don’t think his wife stayed in touch with the victim. The fact that she married Nate obviously shows that she took his side. I just meant that I wonder if she ever feels haunted by what happened to her former friend, ( Even if she believes that her husband is not guilty of rape, his harassment probably exacerbated the victim’s depression) or if she just chooses to sweep it under the rug, like Nate does.

      • Lambda says:

        His now wife was dating Parker when the rape happened. So he was a cheater on top of being a criminal.

    • Aren says:

      Of course she doesn’t. She thought “Who would be a good father? Oh, I know! A rapist”, so she went on and had kids with him, ‘daughters’ no less.

  13. Fa says:

    She wan drunk even thought it was consensual he shouldn’t have invited his friends to have sex with her as she was drunk, the other guy saw that & left as he didn’t want to be part

    • INeedANap says:

      It was not consensual. A woman too drunk to move or open her eyes cannot consent to sex. He raped her. He is a rapist.

      • Kitten says:

        SMDH.
        Too intoxicated to consent. Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp?

        I mean, the woman woke up with Nate’s friend’s d*ck in her mouth and commenters are trying to say it was consensual?!?

    • Miss S says:

      IT WAS NOT CONSENSUAL!

      She wanted to go home and he SUGGESTED it was better if she stayed at his place because she was just too drunk, and could get in trouble with her students residence. He gave her a t-shirt as a pijama and she went to bed. EVERYTHING that happened until she finally woke up NAKED, is the OPPOSITE of consent!

    • anon says:

      I have a problem with the guy that left too! Too many people become cowards instead of standing up. A decent man would have tried to protect a drunk woman, not walked away because he didn’t want to be involved.

  14. Ji-yun says:

    I was interested in this film (it’s an interesting story and has come at an interesting time). But then I found out it was by Nate Parker. Nope. Interest gone. He’s an awful human being. with this case being the most troubling of a catalog of awful behaviour.

    It’s all about how it affects him. “I got my life back on track! I have a family and children and a great career!” Many congratulations. But she never even got the chance to have a shot at that. Instead she took just shy of 200 sleeping pills. Imagine the hopelessness, the climate of fear and sheer desolation you must feel to battle through swallowing that amount of pills to finally make sure that you manage to kill yourself. I hope it haunts him every night, although I’m not sure that it will.

    • Pedro45 says:

      As a survivor of both sexual abuse and suicide atempts, f**k this guy. He and his friend are despicable.

      • Kitten says:

        So sorry to hear this, Pedro. I stand with you and all rape victims, always.

      • Ji-yun says:

        Pedro, my heart goes out to you. Know that there are people who will keep on being the thorn in the side of those who turn blind eyes to these violations.

        That Hollywood continues to make excuses or laud and celebrate men who are sexual predators without a thought for what this signals to society at large makes my blood boil.

      • Pedro45 says:

        Thanks so much. It helps to feel less alone. It’s always a fight against isolation, even when it’s self-imposed. Maybe especially when it’s self-imposed.

        Anyway, I am definitely improving but still, Parker, his friend, Polanski and Allen can all die in a film festival fire. I grieve for the destruction they have caused.

      • Brandy Armstrong says:

        So so sorry Pedro – no one should have to suffer from either. Know that you are special, you are loved and you are strong.

        And I totally agree with your film festival fire wish – the world would be an infinitely better place.

      • Nicole says:

        So sorry as well. and i agree about the festival fire smh.
        Not only is he a rapist but he’s also REALLY homophobic. Said movies with black gay men are bring down the image of real black men which is why he will never play a gay character. He can go to hell

      • Pedro45 says:

        Thank you all for your kind words. He said that he could never play a gay character??? Then I guess he’s a terrible actor in addition to being a terrible person.

    • Miss S says:

      “He’s an awful human being. with this case being the most troubling of a catalog of awful behaviour.”

      What do you mean? There’s more?

      • Anahit says:

        Homophobia. Stalking. Harassment. Bullying. Dude’s got a lot of issues.

      • Miss S says:

        So the stalking, harassment and bulliying happened outside of this case too?
        I read something about homophobic comments, but I didn’t read the comments.

        What a piece of sh*t.

  15. Jayna says:

    The the level of intimidation and harassment they subjected her to was disgusting

  16. INeedANap says:

    To anyone who complains that his whole life shouldn’t be defined by this one incident (as if he had run a stop sign, instead of sexually assaulting someone and inviting others to do the same) —

    Keep in mind that this is the only punishment he will ever receive. And if we do not start taking rapists to task this will continue to happen to millions of women. Stand up and fight back.

    • Livealot says:

      Agreed @ INEEDANAP!

    • sunny says:

      Who would possibly feel that way?

      • Flowerchild says:

        Their were to people on the last post about him who felt that way, there comments were just sickening.

      • Taiss says:

        There are a lot people who feel that way. They are saying:

        ~”if was acquitted, then she lied”
        ~it’s an attack on a successful black man”,
        ~”hollywood not wanting a movie by black people about slavery to succeed, so they are sabotaging him. Hence the timing of him exposed now”,
        ~”they don’t want him to win an oscar”
        ~”the black women who are against him, it’s only because they are jealous of he has white wife”,
        ~”white women have lied on black men about rape before”,
        ~”what about woody Allen?”…..

        My Twitter was maddening last night.

      • iseepinkelefants says:

        Taiss – sadly before I read the articles, I saw aqquited and thought as much. Now that I have read the articles, there should have been no way he got an acquittal. Many will read the same “acquited rapist” and think he’s innocent. Sadly.

      • Jusayin says:

        If you read through the Comments on the Jezebel link there are some that will sicken you. That “this was just how it was in the 90’s *shrugs*”. Some people even stating how the white woman (I don’t know why they are assuming she’s white, she never was identified in any way and personally I assumed she was black) is just dragging this black man down because he’s coming out with a film. Also basically some saying why should he be defined by this is whole life. And how they trust the courts since he was found innocent.

        I’m sorry, black or white or purple this is wrong. I don’t care that this happened in the 90’s. You know what’s wrong or right. In any decade. In any culture. It’s just I was shocked to find those comments on Jezebel. Had to come back here to CB to read more humane, empathetic comments. Humanity scares me sometimes. SMH.

    • QQ says:

      AMEN! F*ck this guy and his accomplice/co-producer buddy, F*ck him in his entirety, Unequivocally NO Country for this Unfathomable POS, Sorry Birth of a Nation Cast ( Jesus JESUS YOU GUYS IT JUST JUST HIT ME.. GABRIELLE UNION IS A RAPE?MUGGING VICTIM!!!?!?! The Fact That she was sharing air with these two .. UGH UGHHHHHH) I can watch this movie when it trickles down to netflix or whatever..IF that

      • jugil1 says:

        @QQ Yes! OMG! I forgot that Gabrielle Union was a rape victim. I remember her telling her story years ago about it. So terrible! Since this guy can’t be punished through the legal system, I hope karma deals him the world of sh*t that he deserves.

      • Samtha says:

        This is one instance where pirating it would be the ethical thing to do. Even watching an official stream (on Netflix/Amazon/etc.) puts money in these rapists’ pockets.

      • Susie 1of 3 says:

        @jugil1 It seems Karma is working on this one right now.

      • Fa says:

        He is not the only black filmmaker this year and a movie about slave already won best picture (12 years of a slave) with a black director so people should stop using the race card this time

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      Word. If they’re not punished severely, they won’t learn a damn thing.

      Am I the only one who’s reading this and thinks it sounds like a quasi-admission? “While I maintain my innocence that the encounter was unambiguously consensual, there are things more important than the law. There is morality; no one who calls himself a man of faith should even be in that situation. As a 36-year-old father of daughters and person of faith, I look back on that time as a teenager and can say without hesitation that I should have used more wisdom.”

      So “that situation” is consensual sex that traumatized the girl so horribly that she committed suicide? Having sex always leads to bad things? What is this piece of sh*t even talking about?

      “I see now that I may not have shown enough empathy even as I fought to clear my name.” Yeah, dude. If she falsely accused you, why are you regretting your lack of empathy?

      Something terrible happened to that girl. People don’t kill themselves over a threesome.

      • INeedANap says:

        It’s probably his way of saying: “I am innocent but I should know better than to trust lying slutty women from trying to ruin my life.”

        See Brock Turner.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        I read it as “Goddamn it, woman, don’t be such a whiny b*tch. If I had knows you would be this difficult, I would’ve gotten someone else.”

        All this sh*t lately, reading about all these men I used to be a fan of (Sean Connery anyone?) is just depressing. I worked behind a bar for a few years and the things men suddenly are open about when there’s a bar involved and they’ll never see that person again scarred me for life. “Nice” guys, family men, men of “faith”. Whose view of women, deep down, was disgusting. And there were so many.

      • Wren says:

        It’s an admission more for what he doesn’t say than what he does. He doesn’t deny it, and he talks more as a penitent than a wrongfully accused man. You aren’t regretful over something you didn’t do. Read his words with the assumption that he’s innocent and they make no sense. Read them with the assumption that he’s guilty (but doesn’t want to admit it) and they are very natural and rational.

        There’s no righteous anger, stubborn insistence, repeated denials, or anything you’d expect from an innocent man. Not even a weary retelling of his side of the story, because if you did nothing wrong it would be natural to tell the truth, to want to correct the false information. However there’s none of that. There’s a lot of regret, uneasiness, convoluted sentences, contrition, talk of “should have done” and bringing up of his family. He’s hoping he’ll hit the right notes to distract everyone from the fact that he can’t bring himself to deny the crime.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Wren, I said something like that further up. If you read the transcript of the call, it only makes sense if he’s guilty. He clearly accepts, during the first part, that she doesn’t remember the night and isn’t bothered by it. If he thought everything was fine and consensual, it’s a ridiculous conversation.

      • Samtha says:

        Yeah, that “lack of empathy” includes stalking and harassment.

    • Tara says:

      And let’s not forget that his victim’s entire life was defined by this night. Now wasn’t it? What little of her life she had left.

  17. Merritt says:

    He is sick. The reality is that he feels no remorse and is glad she is dead.

    • KHLBHL says:

      Right? If she was alive she could be giving him even more “hell” by speaking out. So this way, because she’s dead, he’s happy to control the narrative.

      So sad for the poor woman. RIP.

  18. LOLADOESTHEHULA says:

    I don’t know if I should be sad that he has daughters or be relieved that he doesn’t have sons to indoctrinate with his violent entitlement towards women. Any movie this piece of sh*t is in is a movie I will never see. I can’t even look at him without feeling sick. May that poor woman rest in peace.

  19. BritAfrica says:

    Yet another woman who died because of the violence of men. How can it true that we are not seen as valueless??

    I wonder how many have died so far this week?? It’s still only Wednesday.

  20. sunny says:

    This is why I never drank or partied. No, of course it isn’t her fault (obviously, that should go without saying), but fault doesn’t mean much when you’re trying to pick up the pieces of your life and self after rape. Yes, it can and does happen to anyone regardless of drunkness or age or clothing, but for me personally I didn’t want to potentially be in a situation where this could happen. I never ever trusted anyone enough (probably a personal flaw) and isn’t that sad? But that’s life. You simply CANNOT trust ANYONE ever. It’s a shame and RIP to the victim. Hopefully this guy will get his somehow. Maybe this backlash is a form of karma. It’s not enough really…but if “making it” is what matters to him then maybe this is the worst punishment in his mind.

    • Aren says:

      Anything can be used against you though. Judges are known to have asked what kind of underwear the victim was wearing, if she was sexually active before marriage, at what age did she “lose” her virginity, etc.

      • sunny says:

        I understand that and it’s awful. I guess what I’m trying to say is that so much of it is out of my control that not putting myself in a situation known to end in rape quite frequently is about all I could do. I am not judging anyone and my choices aren’t other people’s choices, nor do they need to be. Of course women (and anyone) should be safe but the sad reality is that we aren’t. Hopefully this makes sense.

    • Neha says:

      Same. Had friend with similar story who was raped by her own male friend, with no one taking the rape seriously since he was such a “nice guy “and blaming her for getting so drunk. It’s disgusting.

      You just have to protect yourself as much as you can, since we live in a dangerous world. To me, not binge drinking was akin to locking my doors at night. Doesn’t mean that you can’t still have a break-in, but you are doing what you can to protect yourself. I just don’t trust the men of the world or the justice system to protect me, so I do what I can.

    • Illyra says:

      I feel you, sunny.

  21. Neelyo says:

    The reviews I read around Sundance were mediocre to good with no outright raves. I think the ‘buzz’ came as a response to #oscarsowhite. The feeding frenzy by the studios was a direct result of the backlash. If that wasn’t going on I wonder if this film would have been picked up.

    • Mia4S says:

      Yeah it’s pretty clear they are looking for a “narrative” for Oscar season. Well thankfully there are lots of other films with POC that can be supported. No need for anyone to lower themselves to supporting this piece of trash’s work!

    • Loo says:

      Finally somebody is speaking the truth. The reviews for The Birth of a Nation were not raves, Fox only picked it up for 17.5mil because of that OscarsSoWhite misguided silliness.

      And before somebody gets mad at me, I’ll explain. The main issue shouldn’t be with the Oscars it should be with Hollywood at large for not giving minorities, and no I’m not just talking about black people like myself, the chance at great roles in Oscarbait movies. I think that by and large OscarsSoWhite was handled poorly because it seemed to mostly exclude other non-white ethnicities and it didn’t give enough attention to the fact that Oscars will continue to be so white until minorities are given actual Oscarbait roles. I do think that diversifying Academy voters was a good move though.

      But I digress big time. The point is the film will probably be a bust come Oscar time anyway and get very few noms because it does not sound like another 12 Years a Slave based on reviews.

      • Nicole says:

        Yep it was really because of Oscars So White. I’d rather have Hidden Figures get ALL the awards because Taraji + Octavia + sass for days = a boss movie with no rapists involved!
        That and the story is super interesting. One day we will get a great Nat Turner movie and I’ll watch it but this is not it. Might I suggest Ava or Ryan to direct one?

    • Pepper says:

      Exactly. The reviews I saw mostly praised the actors and the worthiness of the story, and said there had been potential for it to be a masterpiece, but that it didn’t hit half it’s marks. Those are still good-ish reviews, but hardly ‘this is the next Citizen Kane’ reviews like people were making out.

      It sounded like the kind of film that might get a few Oscar noms for the good aspects, but not the kind of film poised to sweep them.

  22. shelly says:

    What a vile story, and what a depressing week for Women’s issues.

    He can bugger off to room 101 and take Johnny Depp with him.

  23. Prairiegirl says:

    Looks like I’ll be directing my moviegoing dollars somewhere else…

  24. K.T says:

    Isn’t it also horrific that ‘star wrestler’ Nate Parker & his convicted rapist teammate and roommate then co-wrote a film that highlights a rape scene as a major signpost for the Hero’s journey. WTH, it’s so rape problematic it could be textbook.

    • Jusayin says:

      K.T. Right? And wasn’t it Gabrielle Union’s character that gets raped? I could be wrong but it makes it so much worse since she was a rape victim in real life years ago. So sad. And sick.

      • Susie 1of 3 says:

        I do not understand how in 2016 rape can be tolerated as entertainment. These are the people who would include it in their movie. How a talented actress could take this part is beyond my understanding. As a survivor herself, it makes it more unbelievable. And these two rapists certainly knew of her past. Just say no to movies with rape scenes.

      • K.T says:

        Jusayin: The actor I’m talking about is Aja Naomi King who plays Nat Turner’s wife Cherry. Her rape and beating is one of the *catalyst* etc etc. 🙁 But it seems Gabrielle Union has an implied asault in her much smaller role – actually the way Union’s talked about her role as one of ‘nameless’ black women & about their suffering has been really smart and articulate.

        Btw, would really love her to be a bigger star – poor thing, she seemed to have gone out with serial rapist Darren Sharper, was attacked herself at 19 and now this whole mess…she needs some better luck there, hey universe!

    • I Choose Me says:

      Oh gawd that makes it even worse. FOH with that rape as a story impetus for the hero bullshit.

  25. my3cents says:

    I hope that the victim and her family can find some comfort in the fact that all talk about this movie will now be focused on these rapists and not the movie.
    Let’s not forget , and not make this go away so easily this time.

  26. Brandy Armstrong says:

    Total side note: anyone on here heard about Jared Leto being a sexual predator? I found this truly scary article about how bad he is and I’m curious if anybody out there had heard the same. I only ask so we can add his name to list of asshats we will not support….

    Article:
    “Another Cosby? A reminder that several women have accused Jared Leto of Sexual Assault” at contemptor.com

    • Kitten says:

      Yep. I read it on Facebook after a friend posted it. Really gross, disturbing stuff.

      I was a semi-Leto apologist mainly out of love for Jordan Catalano but any residual nostalgia I had for that guy is gone. He and his buddy Terry Richardson: two peas in a pod.

      • Brandy Armstrong says:

        Me too – that show was such a huge part of my teenage years so I always adored him and loved his band.

        Now? Hell to The No!!

    • Miss S says:

      The tumblr mentioned isn’t there anymore. I’m not surprised if this is true. Jared Leto conducts himself with entitlement which is a highroad to do things he knows he won’t be accountable for. He knows there will always be girls after him and uses it to his advantage.

      If any of them comes forward she will be crucified because she probably just have some fantasies about this celebrity and is making it up or was rejected and that’s why she is saying lies. We all know how just by being famous you become a target, right? *eye roll*

      I don’t know anything about Murray and was surprised. But I read about Fassbender hitting an ex girlfriend. She made a legal complaint but then regretted and nothing happened afterwards. But people swoon after Fassbender right? Sometimes I get surprised by a story I didn’t know about.

      Also, I have this fantasy where we create our own secret armies of women and get justice for the ones who never had it. I would see a superhero about this. It wouldn’t be politically correct though.

      • Anahit says:

        Didn’t Fassbender detach his girlfriend’s retina in a fight? I remember she recanted, but there were medical reports about her injuries.

      • Miss S says:

        Oh Anahit it’s then even worse than what I remember:/ I read that a long time ago, I don’t remember the details, but I do remember it wasn’t “just” a slap or anything “minor”. And if my memory isn’t playing some tricks on me, she recanted because she was worried about affecting his career….

      • Brandy Armstrong says:

        Miss S- YES to to secret armies of justice!! Where do I sign up?!? I’m thinking Deadpool would love to help us out with it 🙂

        Nice to have a light moment when we are usually surrounded by such darkness/evil against women.

      • Miss S says:

        @Brandy: Do you remember a film with Clive Owen, “Shoot’ Em Up”? He wasn’t the nicest person be he killed assh*les by sticking carrots into them. He couldn’t stand injustices like someone parking in a place for others with disabilities. I loved that film!

        Deadpool would totally mentor us:D We could have secret places where we trained and meet. And we would be all connected like the Masons are. And we could apply the first two rules of Fight Club too! Then, there would be rumours about it but no one could tell exactly what it was…

        Maybe I should start writing a script ^_^

      • detritus says:

        @Miss S
        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

        An article on ‘human-flesh search engines’, a concept originating in China used to describe netizens who crowd source information to find people.
        They found the kitten crushing woman in heels and a few others.

        Internet vigilante justice does exist.. sort of. The article is clear that mob justices requires a mob.

        I wish there was a list, so I could check before spending my dollars. And maybe write a letter. I heard that every signature on a petition is counted as 200 opinions, but thats for government in Canada, and I doubt it’s a hard line across the board.

      • ivy says:

        The Fassbender thing is an example of how speculation & “trial by internet jury” is so damaging. There were never any charges. There were allegations, which were investigated by authorities & he complied fully with them. No evidence was found, there were no corresponding medical records or witnesses, and a suspect timeline of events. The allegations were withdrawn, but PEOPLE ONLINE speculated about the reason for their being withdrawn. Add in that the accuser’s ex disliked him at the time.

        Abuse allegations should always be taken seriously, and in this instance they were taken seriously by authorities & the accused, who was cleared of wrongdoing. But the internet keeps rehashing & speculating. Abuse rumours are mud that sticks.

      • kia says:

        @Anahit @Miss S What?! That’s no evidence that she even submitted medical reports and nobody has ever reported a similar episode. The charges would have been surely filed with medical reports because her allegations were investigated after she allegedly dropped them. His ex asked for a TRO,the news was conveniently reported by TMZ,and a few days later she withdrew her hazy allegations when his image had already been damaged. He didn’t even live in her country when she asked for it.

      • kia says:

        @ivy Her ex was the producer of Inglorious Basterds. There were also rumors that Fassbender wanted to sue him for slander.

  27. Sixer says:

    If anyone knows any kids – or, indeed, adults – who might need a good, clear primer on consent, this video used by a British police force for their #consentiseverything campaign is brilliant. Ok, you Americans might want to imagine a cup of coffee instead of a cup of tea, but it’s still excellent!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

  28. Craig says:

    Unfortunately, Hollywood loves rapists it seems, Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are still revered in Hollywood and by many actresses no less…..welcome to the club Nate Parker.

  29. Lambda says:

    This makes me so sad. I was really hoping that the posts about her suicide were just some form of morbid internet sensationalism.
    I read all the court transcripts I could find and I’m convinced that Nate Parker was utter scum as a young man, and probably continues to be scum. I think he talked himself into believing he has now an exemplary life and he doesn’t deserve to be punished for ’20 minutes of action’. Just look like he justifies his harassment on the woman, “my indignant attitude and my heartfelt mission to prove my innocence,” that’s the part where he followed her everywhere around the campus, and hurled sexual epithets at her, and hired a PI that revealed the victim’s identity, right? Same goes for Celestine.
    And there’s something else I can’t shake: in court, the victim was asked if she saw Celestine after the night in case. She said she saw him only once, one night, Celestine being in the company of Parker, propping up a drunk girl on the way from McDonald’s. (They saw the victim and they turned around.). My feeling is that it was not the only time they did it. I know it’s all baseless speculation, but I can’t shake the thought.

    • Miss S says:

      “She said she saw him only once, one night, Celestine being in the company of Parker, propping up a drunk girl on the way from McDonald’s. (They saw the victim and they turned around.). My feeling is that it was not the only time they did it. I know it’s all baseless speculation, but I can’t shake the thought.”

      I read it and had the same thought. If these guys did this assuming it was ok behaviour why not do it again? I guess that mindset really opens the door to assume it wasn’t the first time or the last.

  30. Tara says:

    She also alleged he and his friends stalked her around the campus screaming sexual slurs at her after she reported him. She begged the university for help. No one protected her.

    I cried a lot reading the accounts of this. I am so sorry for his victim and wish she were alive to be believed and supported today.

    • Brandy Armstrong says:

      +1
      I’ve cried a couple times thinking about this poor woman and the absolute hell she suffered thru before she took her life….this movie needs to DIE before full release and the Aholes who created it need to go the EFF away.

  31. Tara says:

    Here we are at the intersection of race and violence against women. Isn’t it a great place to be? Well, I can complain but I’m not a black woman, so I can’t complain much. I have seen black women being attacked by black men on twitter, telling them to shut it because they are taking part in the destruction of a black man. I’m white so I am automatically under suspicion of racism, which is ironic because this trump thing has me so disgusted I refuse to sleep with white men anymore. I am on white dude strike, and I am 100% not kidding.

    But whatever they say, whatever they accuse, I keep steady in my mind the image of a broken 18 yo girl being stalked all over her campus, by men screaming sexual slurs. The girl that no one helped.

    I want Parker to be ruined.

    • Brandy Armstrong says:

      me too – how bout we stalk him and yell sexual slurs at him while he does press for this?? It’d be nice to give him a portion of what he did to her back since she is no longer here to do it herself. *shakes my head* I’m so disheartened by all of this …..

  32. Marty says:

    I see he alludes to the harassment he and Jean heaped upon that poor women, but doesn’t actually own up to how it contributed to her deteriorating mental health.

    His wording is disgusting and he’s absolute scum.

    • Aren says:

      Yes, he’s “I look back on that time, my indignant attitude and my heartfelt mission to prove my innocence with eyes that are more wise with time. ” when he should be saying: “I tried to destroy her emotionally so she couldn’t carry on with the trial, which I was successful at because she no longer wanted to testify against me”.

  33. Camille says:

    I know I’m going to get dragged for this, but… Rape laws have changed a lot in the last 20 years. Ive read the court transcripts and honestly, it’s the guys words against hers. From their testimony and the recorded calls, the guys thought she was an active participant and not as drunk as she claimed later. Even within Pennsylvanias laws today this would be a more difficult case to prove. Isn’t that the reason for the push for active, continual consent? He was acquitted which is not guilty by a jury. Was his behavior after she filed charges reprehensible? Absolutely yes, but I see nothing in the recorded call other than a guy scared to be a parent by a girl he had sex with and didn’t really talk to again, and trying to tell her she was activeand consensual within the encounter. Is it a jerk move to invite your friends? Absolutely yes, but she doesn’t remember saying no and he remembers her actions giving consent which is legal. This isn’t the Brock turner case. Turner was found guilty and not adequately punished.

    • BunnyBear says:

      How…how do a passed out girl’s “actions” give consent?
      But yeah, gang rape, total jerk move, brah.

      • Camille says:

        She said she was passed out not the men. I didn’t read anywhere from the courts docs that say that the men say she was unconscious. It is her word against theirs. And I’m sorry but suicide attempts after have no bearing on truth. Rape trials are a brutal process in and of themselves. My problem with the logic train of most of the commenters her is that the accuser is pretty much always believed while you have a man that has been and acquitted and yet that has no place here. It’s astounding to me that the court of public opinion is so absolutely skewed to make everyone a criminal when it comes to rape. Accusers aren’t always right here and the accused aren’t always right.

      • BunnyBear says:

        Uh…the third guy there testified that she was completely unresponsive and couldn’t even open her eyes.

    • Miss S says:

      I also read the documents and I couldn’t disagree more with your conclusions. Her word against his? Really? She tried to commit suicide twice because she invented it? Are you going to tell me she enjoyed it at the time, because she wasn’t really passed out? So her story about having flashes about the rape were just her word against his? What were her motivations then, if she was an active participant?…

      Unbelievable.

    • Nicole says:

      REALLY? He had sex with a girl that was PASSED OUT then invited his friends to have a go at her. If she is passed out she cannot give consent. and if she was passed out with nate when in the HELL would she be able to give consent to the other guys who she didn’t even know?!
      Take your rape apology BS and shove off

    • LB says:

      It’s not just his words against hers. There’s a witness – a third guy – who testified that she was unconscious and not moving. He declined to “take his turn” and left.

    • Brandy Armstrong says:

      I can’t even with this….if you are passed out that EQUALS NO CONSENT period. If you invite other guys to participate without permission of partner THAT IS NOT CONSENT. If you have sex before it does NOT equal CONSENT for any other interaction. I could keep going but I need to go toke myself calm after reading that BS.

    • Bob says:

      Rape laws haven’t changed that much in the past 20 years, it’s just that juries are slightly more likely to help enforce them.

  34. Jwoolman says:

    Courts reflect the culture of the time, with a big lag. The result would have been different in 2016.

    But he grew up in a culture where even the courts accepted the idea of marital rights, meaning if the husband wanted to have sex and the woman didn’t – too bad, she owed him. That idea was transferred to boyfriends and even dates. He buys you dinner, you owe him something. Very likely sex was used to recruit him for the athletic program, since athletes were notorious for assuming they were owed. It was not unusual for drunk people to have sex, also, resulting in a higher population than would be the case of everybody stayed sober. So he was surrounded by a culture where significant adults and his peers were telling him he was entitled to sex and drunk sex was okay. I’m amazed that his friend was convicted even temporarily in that atmosphere. The male witness must have made the difference. A female witness would not have had the same effect. The concept that no means no even if you said yes earlier was not firmly established in the male psyche. Even otherwise intelligent and gentle guys felt that accusations of rape were usually false between acquaintances. To them, it was a murky issue. Things are different now only because women have made the issue non-murky themselves. The guys would never have come to such conclusions on their own.

    Did he grow out of his attitudes and behavior? Can’t tell. A 19 year old boy is still incompletely formed, even though he has some legal rights of an adult. Males are typically slow to mature emotionally. So it’s possible that he has significantly changed although not guaranteed.

    Realistically, he’s not going to admit to committing a crime do I won’t judge him on that failure. But even in the culture of the time, there were actions that were clearly wrong and the school should have come down hard on him. For example, the harassment of the woman – the school had to know about it and should have stopped it and he should have had severe consequences for that alone. The court did recognize that the other guy had no prior relationship and there was no expectation of consensual sex even in 1999. But he was clearly wrong to make the offer and bring the other guy into it, even if he himself was under the illusion that he himself had the right to use her as an unconscious living sex doll. The proof of that is the refusal of the third guy (but the murkiness of it all at the time is also proven by the third guy’s failure to intervene). So even if he honestly felt it wasn’t rape, he needs to be more clear about the wrongness of his other actions. He seems to be trying to say that by talking vaguely about “wisdom” and lack thereof, but I think he can be more forthright without legal issues.

    • JenniferJustice says:

      Times may have been different, but people still have their own moral compass and his actions – specifically inviting his friends to violate her show he not only felt entitled himself but actually took pleasure in watching someone else violate her. There’s a big difference between entitlement and being sadistic. His actions were sadistic. I don’t believe there was anything murky for him in that aspect of it. He enjoyed seeing her be raped. Thinking about details is nauseating, but let’s get real – they sure as Hell weren’t gentle or careful with her if you know what I mean. They clearly knew what they were doing was wrong, albeit horrid. That’s why they lied right away and tried to convince her she was semi-conscious and wanted it but just didn’t remember. No, she was unconscious according to the third male witness. People don’t lie if they think they didn’t do anything wrong. It feels like you’re downplaying his intentions during that rape. It’s not merely wrongness to offer a passed out person to another for sexual entertainment. It’s evil! That’s why the third guy wouldn’t take part in it. Evidently, he’s the only one of them with a conscience. He certainly didn’t need anybody to tell him it was wrong or to clarify for him why it is wrong. I guess my point is, your wording dilutes the fact the guy was sinister….not confused….not unclear….simply sinister.

      • Eva says:

        You know, I was ALMOST willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That it was a different atmosphere, he was young and maybe he really didn’t understand he was doing something wrong and maybe he really regrets it now and finally understands what he did was not only terrible but also criminal.

        But then I heard about the other people involved. That shows that it wasn’t a guy who thought a girl he had dated was ok with sex since she stayed over and since it was an armosphere that seemed to not judge that sort of behavior. But it was indeed a sadistic asshole who thought this woman was a piece of meat that could be passed around for him and his friends’ entertainment.

        He was and apparently still is garbage, judging by his statements. I wish all the best for his daughters and hope the victim is somewhere at peace at last.

  35. Beckysuz says:

    When I was 20 I drank quite a lot at a party( spring break), and while I was still awake I asked my friend to find me a spot to sleep where no one would bother me. I realized I had drank too much and was trying to keep myself safe. I passed out ALONE. When I woke up I was in different clothing and my boyfriend’s friend was next to me( boyfriend was on break elsewhere). I was obviously confused. He told my boyfriend I had cheated on him and we had sex. He said that I had been flirting with him the night before and I guess that justified it in his mind. I had been flirting that’s true, but I was 20, I flirted with a lot of people. It was a rough time for me, I was drinking a lot, trying to deal with my battered soul after leaving a very physically abusive relationship a year earlier. I am ashamed to say this person made me feel as if I had asked for what happened and I let him. I actually apologized to my boyfriend, for doing something I never consented to and had no memory of. It took me a lot of years to be able to say what happened was rape, pure and simple. I didn’t ask for that, and flirting didn’t give some license to do whatever he wanted to my unconscious body. I feel for the victim and pray her soul is at peace now. Nate Parker is disgusting. I can’t even imagine how I would have felt if this person had tried to bring other men in to rape me as well. I’m saddened and disgusted by all of this. Consent and treating woman with respect will always be a conversation in our house with our sons. As for my daughter, my hope is that she is strong enough to always stand up for herself, and if heaven forbid someone ever hurts her, that she doesn’t allow herself to be shamed into silence as I was

  36. HeyThere! says:

    Man, to hell with this guy. I will never support him. RIP to this lady. I can’t imagine being in her situation where your rapists are found not guilty, or acquitted.

  37. JenniferJustice says:

    He kept saying she was participating and trying to convince her that she was up for it. But a witness said he walked in to see NP and his roommate doing stuff to her and she was unconscious…..UNCONSCIOUS! Commenters are saying he doesn’t think what he did was wrong and he admits to having sex with her but I disagree. He knows damn well he raped her or he wouldn’t have lied about her level of consciousness. He’s lucky we’re in this century and more civilized ’cause the justice I have in mind for him is far worse than a possible unsuccessful movie.

  38. Jen43 says:

    Boycott this movie. This piece of sh*t and all like him need to learn there are consequences for their actions. The victim never got a second chance and he gets none either. RIP Jane Doe.

  39. Ivon says:

    This is truly despicable and just disgusting.

    My heart goes out to the victim – HER CHILD!!!! and her entire family.

    Nate Parker repulses me. Will not support this monster in any way!

  40. Starkiller says:

    Honestly, the best thing this guy can do at this point is to shut the hell up. What else can he say? He’s not going to apologize-he still doesn’t think he did anything wrong, as his multiple self-indulgent word salads make clear.

  41. cindy says:

    I feel ill looking at this guy. I wonder if this will have any real consequences for him outside comment sections on the Internet. Is he just gonna skate by like Brock Turner with his 6 months unscathed? Or are we just stuck now with his smug face for years like Woody Allen. Naturally his wife will stand by her man, because, THAT would be new.

    RIP to his rape victim.

  42. Ignatius J. Reilly says:

    Perhaps the awards-worthy movie should be something that gives the power back to their victim – the one who is no longer here to defend herself. But only if doing so would not perpetuate the pain her family must live with.

  43. Tourmaline says:

    I read the complaint in the matter (linked by an earlier poster) and it SICKENS me. And not just the rape allegations part…..but what was done to this woman AFTER the incident in terms of the incredibly sinister and overwhelming campaign to shame and destroy her conducted by Nate Parker and Jean Celestin. They harassed her, stalked her, and terrorized her. Hired PIs to tote giant photos of her around campus. Accosted her outside her dorm and campus buildings to intimidate her. Hurled sexual epithets at her as she tried to go to class. She tried to bear up and maintain her 4.0 gpa until the torment (which Penn State colluded in as well) drove her away. And as we know now her life was destroyed. Just like these guys wanted.

    It is small justice indeed but I’m glad in the moment that these two monsters Parker & Celestin thought they would be basking in acclaim and adoration for their movie remake, THIS is resurfacing.

  44. tracking says:

    There is a very good, detailed article on Daily Beast now. It is sickening.

    • Sam says:

      The Daily Beast article is a must read for anyone interested in the case who doesn’t actually want to read all the trial transcripts. It’s not a hit piece, either. The article seems scrupulous in including any evidence favorable to the defense. I finished the article thinking the prosecution had a very strong case against both defendants.

    • Tourmaline says:

      Thank you the Daily Beast article is excellent. So many horrible details.. He bragged to his buds about making her clean up her own vomit; she woke up the morning after to find him having sex with her again and was in the worst pain of her life; he told detectives she wasn’t the type of girl he would ever date. Oh and he told her on that recorded call that he would never let anything bad happen to her… because he has a sister.

      Parker and Celestin– party over, you two sociopaths

  45. Tallia says:

    Disgusted. I am totally disgusted and angry. Add Nate Parker to the list with Brock Turner and Austin Wilkerson. I will be boycotting anything Parker and Celestin is associated with from here on out. My thought and prayers go out to the victim’s friends and family after her suicide. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering she went through at the hands of Parker, Celestin and Penn State.

  46. Laura says:

    This “man” is covering his ass. Plain and simple.

  47. molee says:

    How long before this “man of faith” tells us all that he’s born again and that Jesus has forgiven him?

    • Matchday says:

      He’s not saying it, but from all his statements, you know he believes it. God’s forgiven him, his family’s forgiven him, he probably thinks his victim has forgiven him. The man’s head is all sorts of wrong.

    • Samtha says:

      People conveniently forget that you have to CONFESS to receive forgiveness from God.

  48. Neelyo says:

    ‘I look back on that time as a teenager and can say without hesitation that I should have used more wisdom’

    Teenager?? He was an upperclassman at college, is that still considered a teenager? Sounds like some semantic trickery going on there to make it seem like a dumb high school prank.

  49. Susie 1of 3 says:

    Parker, his college friends, his wife, former teammates, teachers, coaches, his parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, neighbor’s, etc. all were unaware of his victim’s suicide in 2012 or no one mentioned it to him? After the trial, the harassment of their victim, no one thought they would be interested in this fact? With social media or just plain gossip, someone passed this info along. I call bullshit.

  50. Tiffany :) says:

    I just read this article on CNN, and I am so pissed. It is all focused on him and his feelings. The headline is “Nate Parker ‘devastated’ over rape case”. No details about the case at all. They say the victim was intoxicated, not that she was unconscious.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/17/media/nate-parker-rape-response/index.html

  51. Abby_J says:

    My sympathy isn’t with poor Nate and ‘events from his stupid past coming back to hurt him now that he is a different man.’ It’s with the poor victim who obviously never recovered from it and her family who had to watch her suffer. I say BS to the idea that he had no idea that she killed herself. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did a happy dance when he found out. Now she can’t decide to come forward and share her story, and all that is left are the transcripts.

    Although he left and didn’t take part, I do hope that third guy that Nate invited to join them has some remorse for not stepping up to his friends. At least gave a statement that appears to back up what the woman said, and didn’t try to cover up for them.

    My husband was in a similar position in his third year (although not as serious as this, thank goodness). A bunch of guys were attending an off campus party, and there was a lot of alcohol flowing. My husband isn’t a big drinker and was the driver for the evening. One of the guys there (who did not attend the school, but was the friend of someone who did) was ‘making out’ with a girl who was obviously not all that aware of what was going on. Hubby and a friend broke it up when she yelled no about something (although there was a question as to what she yelled no about, because they were both laughing). She said she didn’t even know the guy who was kissing her, so they found his friend to deal with him and made sure she made it home safely. It might have been completely consensual, and wasn’t to the point that Parker and his victim were, but both my hubby and his friend weren’t comfortable with it because she was completely wasted.

    They got teased about being cock blockers for a while by the guy’s friend who attended the school, but no regrets on my husband’s part.

  52. Matchday says:

    Apparently Fox Searchlight was going to send him around to colleges and churches to talk about social injustice as part of their Oscar promo for the movie. Were I a college president or church leader, I wouldn’t welcome him through the door.

  53. RuddyZooKeeper says:

    Nate, don’t bring me into this. And on a related note, I think we should have a talk.
    –God

  54. jferber says:

    Can’t watch the movie ever. These son of a bitch men destroyed that woman. The director’s faux sorrow and “devastation” that HIS rape victim committed suicide is disgusting. He and his roommate were predators, raping her while she was unconscious (he claims it was “consensual”) and tormenting her after with harassment, intimidation, etc., thus hounding her out of college. The director is NOT the victim in this.

  55. Goobie says:

    Remember his name and face
    You deserve the worst Nate.
    You are a shame as a human
    Spit…

  56. rudy says:

    Having sex with a someone who is drunk and passed out is NOT unambiguously consensual.

    The trial and his denial, in essence blaming the victim, is inexcusable.

    Nate Parker is taking no responsibility for this heinous crime that let to someone’s death.

    I will NOT watch his movie and am already informing everyone else I know. He served no jail time for his crime. Now it is in the court of public opinion.

  57. Paris says:

    He is disgusting.
    Once a rapist always rapist.
    I feel sorry for her, he ruined her life.

    • jmacky says:

      yes. HER life. these apologies and public statements are always about the HE. weasels angry and annoyed that they have to apologize for an act of violence they rationalized long ago.

      the utterly gross and audacious thing that puts Nate in his posse with Brock, Austin, Woody, Roman and the whole gang of rapists is THEIR frustration that this “one event defines them” or keeps being brought up. YES. YES. it does. are only the victims of rape and sexual assault supposed to carry it around? the perps are rightly and publicly tattooed with their violence and their sociopathic annoyance is one more clue to their pathology and blatant disregard for other human beings. so much public space is taken up with excusing or rationalizing them anyway.

  58. Sunshine Gold says:

    Maybe he truly has grown and matured since this incident. Maybe he really is devastated. But the fact that he has it in him to participate in something like this is deeply disturbing. Many, many young men go to college and do the whole party/sex thing and don’t do this to women.

  59. Alldamnday says:

    This story is horrible, and it strikes me as fishy that his co-conspirator/defendant has a “story by” credit on the film. Like some sort of disgusting gentleman’s agreement was made. My writing partner and friend said “If you truly believed someone had taken part in a terrible time in your life, you’d probably distance yourself from that person.”

  60. Merchant Smearer says:

    Garbage human being. I refuse to watch anything he’s in or is involved with for his entire career. Same goes for FOX Searchlight for supporting this vile person.

  61. Mortified says:

    I read the daily beast article and I wanted to throw up. Literally, i was nauseous. And I am a man, btw.

    How can he live with himself?