In addition to this week’s People Magazine cover story, Angelina Jolie also sat down for a long interview with the New York Times. Jolie has a long-term relationship with the paper of record – she’s written op-eds for the NYT, and she’s given them exclusive interviews before. This interview took place in her new $25 million Hollywood home, and much like the Vanity Fair cover story, the kids are running around as mama’s trying to talk to the journalist. At the very beginning, Knox finds Angelina and tells her that Shiloh needs her – Shiloh’s bearded dragon is sick and at the vet, and Angelina tells the NYT “that will be the rest of my day.” You can read the full piece here at the NYT. Some highlights:
Her priority during this past year: “None of it’s easy. It’s very, very difficult, a very painful situation, and I just want my family healthy. They’re getting better…I never expect to be the one that everybody understands or likes. And that’s OK, because I know who I am, and the kids know who I am.”
Deciding to buy this house: “It took me a few months to realize that I was really going to have to do it. That there was going to have to be another base regardless of everything,” Jolie continued, adding that it’s like living in a fraternity. “That there was going to have to be a home. Another home.” According to the NYT, the children helped their famous mom decorate and pick out furniture. “It has a lot of moments. It’s happy. Happy and light, and we needed that.”
Her kids are her best friends: “They really help me so much. We’re really such a unit. They’re the best friends I’ve ever had. Nobody in my life has ever stood by me more.”
There are some interesting details in there, about how Angelina loves the heat, and how she never works out and how the kids are always working with tutors, learning new languages and, like, physics. But this is telling isn’t it? “I never expect to be the one that everybody understands or likes. And that’s OK, because I know who I am, and the kids know who I am.” Angelina knows that her public image has taken a hit since she left Brad. And she’s fine with it. Most celebrities/movie stars wouldn’t be fine with it. There would be a lot of “why don’t you like me” self-awareness from most celebrities. But Angelina wears it lightly, as always.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
For the love of all things holy, please stop talking about your kids. It’s non-stop, in every interview, and tiring. Let them have some privacy please.
I don’t mind the quantity of talking, but I am really freaked out about the way she talks about them. But I will resist talking about it further, because I know people will attack me 🙂
I feel the same way. I have such an issue with parents that feel their kids are the only ones that understand them and therefore their best friends. I’ve seen so many kids wth issues that stem from the lack of boundaries with their parents. Hopefully this isn’t the case but you should not be enmeshed with your children
I agree with you both. It sounds so stifling.
That said, I think she knows she’s on the back foot PR-wise and this is the way she’s deflecting. It might all be perfectly normal behind closed doors, you know?
Agree – this my kids are my best friends narrative makes me cringe. Kids shouldn’t bear the burden of their parents lives. I hope this narrative is more for PR than reality.
Agreed with all of you. I never understood my mom. I confided in her and we talked. It wasn’t until I was married with kids thtvwe became “friends”. And even now there are boundaries. Parents are not friends. They are there to nurture and ensure they have the skills they need to be healthy functioning adults.
I tend to agree. I was stuck in the middle between my parents somewhat as a kid (not nearly as bad as many kids, sadly) and I always felt a huge weight on my shoulders because of it. I felt like I needed to almost be a parent in some ways – I was a sounding board a lot of times.
As an adult I’m kind of a self-aware neurotic person. I feel like because I recognize how neurotic I can be – I’m probably not as bad as I think I am. But still.
I don’t really blame them either- things did get a lot better in that respect too. But they genuinely didn’t realize how much added stress that can be for a kid, and both are good people. But it definitely does mold a kid in a certain way – whether it’s how they deal with their own stress, how they deal with relationships – that sort of thing. Overall, it’s probably easier in these kids’ case – they have a lot of siblings that can shoulder any responsibility that they feel towards their parents – and a lot of siblings to vent to.
Overall – not the healthiest of behaviors… but they’ll probably be okay. I think it’s also possible that this is a PR push and maybe exaggerating a bit.
Yeah, she’s still supposed to be the grown up. Her statement that her kids are the only ones in the world who understand her leaves me feeling sad for the kids.
When they get in from school, I will ask the Sixlets if they are the only ones who truly understand me and report back the responses…
… fair warning: it might not be pretty!
Sixer, my boys would look at like I’m crazy. They don’t get me at all!!!
I don’t mind how often she talks about them. My two boys-I am single-are the center of my life, although they are teens and I try to be cool about everything and not overdo it with them or others. Jeez, what would I talk about if I had six kids!
As for creeping me out, she doesn’t. Maybe that’s because I know she’s being honest and I appreciate that.
WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH VIV? She has a chronic whiner face…
Me: Afternoon, herberts. I need to interrogate you.
Both: BUT WE HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING!
Me: You understand me better than anyone, right?
Major: Context, mother, context.
Minor: Eh?
Me: Oh, it’s something Angelina Jolie said.
Both: Who?
Me: The one who was married to Brad Pitt.
Major: She’s just being weird again, Minor. Let’s get changed.
Minor: Ok then.
Me: BUT YOU LOVE ME, RIGHT?
Both: Spose so.
@Sixer lol
I don’t think it is healthy to focus on the kids and rely on them as much as she seems to be doing. It is an easy pitfall after a divorce, but they are too young for that burden. They take it on happily because they love their parent but don’t understand how it is affecting them.
My mother is my friend now, but she is still my mother. We talk every single day and can laugh about adult subjects, but I never felt responsible for her.
As an adult you need adult friends. Making your kids surrogates is called emotional incest or parentifying depending on the exact content of the parent child relationship.
It does have a negative effect on children.
There are entire books and YouTube channels on these issues. You also see this issue pop up frequently when people in on YouTube or in chat rooms discuss narcissism and borderline personality disorder.
I haven’t diagnosed Angelina.
That said. Parents with one or both of these disorders will make their children surrogates for what they aren’t getting from their adult relationships with spouses, friends and/ or their adult child-parents relationship.
You can see parentification of abchild with Princess Diana confiding her marital problems with William when he was a child and too young to be her confidante about adult issues.
It is incredibly unhealthy to see your kids as your best friends. Now that my kids are older, we are friends and family, but it is too much to burden them w your battle with their father. Kids are damaged by a parent sharing their burders – look at what Diana did to William and how damaged he is.
And she still talks about her family like her husband is dead.
As a psychologist I couldn’t agree more with the above comments. As some of you have said, you have struggled with this yourselves and it is tough.
There is tons of research and literature around this issue. Children are not there to meet their parents needs, it should be the other way round. Children treated like this grow up feeling hugely responsible for their parents’ emotional needs and it is very unhealthy and inappropriate for them. I am glad they are all in therapy, as hopefully this will be picked up on and appropriate parenting advice given.
Thank you @sixer for throwing a little levity into the thread with your comments-they made me smile. 😊
She’s one of the most famous people in the entire world. I don’t think anyone who isn’t famous can really comprehend that version of reality. She can’t really completely be herself anywhere else but at home, is how I took it. I don’t think it’s that bad! She’s not out there worshipping the ground they walk on like some moms i know on facebook! ugh!
I kind of agree. This ‘we’ve been through a lot’ ‘we needed light’ ‘nobody stood by me except my kids’ is pretty transparent, passive aggressive and repetitive.
We get it. You’ve been burned. Let’s all move on with the narrative. Is there any info about the actual film? Any questions about the ‘game’ they played with impoverished children? Any update on whether the military was involved?
So far the reviews look pretty good, so I may actually see this movie if the issues are resolved.
Yes!
Yesterday’s quotes made me feel uncomfortable and these do too. My mother would talk like this (about how everything she did in her life was for her kids etc), but she did it to manipulate people. Everything in her life was for herself, but she used “her kids” as a smokescreen to hide her control and manipulation.
I’m not saying that Angelina is like that, but she does have a bit of a martyr/’saviour of the world complex’ and she needs to step it back a bit. I’m sure she’s a good person, but everyone has their issues and these are her issues.
Her kids aren’t her best friends and supporters….they are her kids and she probably needs to separate herself a bit from that kind of dependence. And…stop talking about them!
And, of course she cares what other people think about her, that’s why she’s doing the interview in the first place.
I have a mom like that too… manipulative and getting away with it! (incidentally, her martyr complex included a lot of gas-lighting of my father’s depression, which became this constant unspeakable drama, always referred to as obliquely as possible, but never addressed… not saying that the Jolie-Pitt dynamic is the same, but I get suspicious of such underhanded rhetoric) – it’s exhausting as a kid to be asked to provide emotional support for an adult.
And this oversharing is transparently a way to make people forget about her potentially abusive casting process and her involvement with the army and regime. I can’t believe the NYT did not ask even a single question on that… sycophantic to the max!
@Esmeralda My mother was the exact same way when I was a child , still is to this day, while individually going to each of her children and her friends berating all the people who have wronged her. I’m her least favorite child because I won’t listen to it anymore and therefore, in her mind, not supportive of her (I still have nightmares about her backstabbing my father). I got panicky reading this post and A’s comments. Won’t read any Angie features in the future.
@Indiana Joanna
I know you probably won’t read this, but HUGS! HUGS! HUGS!
Being true to yourself is the only thing you can do, from a certain point onward! 🙂
Hi Esmeralda and Indiana, sorry to hear that we have shared some similar experiences. Really covert-aggressive people are a nightmare to deal with. Hugs to you both!
My mom loved to hide her narcissistic, manipulative, controlling parenting style behind a devoted mom fascade too. I couldn’t even get away from ber at school because she volunteered at my school 4-5 days a week even in high school. When I graduated from high school she continued by using money while I was in college and when I started my career.
I didn’t come to these insights until I turned 38. So much wasted time. I was angry before 38 but couldn’t put my finger on why or completely break away. Online I’ve found a lot of other adults like me who finally found out what was wrong with their mothers’ parenting later in life. When a young adult or teen shows up we let them know how fortunate they are to have these realizations so early.
Thank you the internet and YouTube. I typed my problems into Google and my mother’s behavior in a separate search and started reading. Best decision ever. I finally found an answer. I felt like I had a starting point.
When I was in therapy my therapists never would tell me what was wrong. I had multiple therapists. I figure it must’ve been protocol.
Hi, you probably won’t read this, but could you let me know if there are any forums in particular that have been helpful? Your story could be mine (particularly that money part). And, in case it is of interest, In my early 40’s I finally found a book that helped me, called “wolf in sheep’s clothing”. I have never read anything that so clearly defined covert aggressive behaviour, and like you, why I felt angry instead of grateful for all my mother did for me. It really, really helped me deal with my mum. After reading that book I was able to see through her bamboozling manipulative behaviour and finally stand my ground.
When one thinks of Angelina,as well as her many achievements & career,beauty etc…Her six kids come up..She knows her fans(& even haters)are curious as to how the kids are after the divorce..Don’t Blame her for being asked about it countless times..They are her kids!…If you don’t wana hear about em…don’t read about em…
@Adorable
They know her so well that they compared their lives with her lives.
She and Brad are partially to blame for the interest in the kids’ lives. They started talking about them, their activities and personalities almost from birth. They’ve been courting the attention.
Celebs don’t have to share the private details. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “the kids are doing just fine, thank you,” and moving along.
@Goats 100%
Yes, enough already.
I would usually agree on this but she isn’t saying anything much about their personal life, just generally answering ‘they are well, we’re happy blah blah’.
I hate to sound cynical but I think she’s trying to change the media narrative surrounding her and the comments she made in VF.
I’m feeling the same way. They always talked a LOT about the kids, but this recent publicity push is just a bit extra. I don’t think we’d be hearing all this if her comments about the casting and filming hadn’t happened.
I so agree enough about the kids and talk about your film and how other peoles kids were abused by you and your people. And she cares she really cares what other people are saying that’s why she’s doing this nonstop interviews that’s focusing on her kids. She really cares
@Goats.
this and this.
This is what the VF should’ve been…Coming out strong & unbroken!..You go Angie!
I agree, but different times. Different reflections.
‘I never expect to be the one that everybody understands or likes.’
This.
This is a lesson I wish I had learned much earlier in life.
Whatever you think/say about Angelina Jolie, this once sentence and message are so on point.
She recently sicced her lawyers on VF for a factual article, and it wasn’t the first time she’s sent them after people. I mean, she had her lawyers provide VF with a pre-written retraction and tried to tell them when and where it would be published. That doesn’t sound like someone who doesn’t care.
Of course she cares! It’s not just a “self-awareness” issue, there’s big money involved: her present and future paychecks, the money that people invested in her movie, the companies she has endorsement deals with.
It’s not like she can do or say whatever she pleases. I think she is just back to her badass self (or character?), since the “Mother Teresa” one took a huge hit after the VF interview and all the divorce-related leaks.
Goats – it’s pretty clear from my comment that I am referring to that one remark in the context of my own life – really don’t see what I said that begets a response referring to Angelina’s VF interview – but you appear to be on a bash Jolie tour of Celebitchy this week, so can’t say I’m surprised. Lol.
Clare
Yep, sure am! I will bash any celebrity who puts a good interview before the privacy of their minor children. Brad and Angelina, they chose the spotlight. Their kids did not, and they shouldn’t have to grow up with friends and classmates who can google details of their lives.
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I like her, but I don’t believe she doesn’t care. her vulnerability is apparent. Her attempt to manipulate the public isn’t working. She cares very much on a creative/business level what people think. It’s how the business of entertainment works, contacts and reputation. Her personal life is something else. Her life and relationships are indicative of someone who doesn’t care what people think. I believe she is a good mother and person, but her past treatment of others, and her ego, which may exceed her actual talent, have left where she is. Not in a great place personally or professionally. We are separate from our children. We need relationships developed separate from them. They need to develop their own friendships. She and Brad messed up together. They knew each other for a year and then had 5 kids on top of the existing kid in 3 years. They barely knew each other. If the kids are suffering, both parents were irresponsible. We all have issues. Why do people here not realize she’s messed up and ok at the same time just like everyone else. She’s not being honest with the public.
Angelina never said she doesn’t care. She said she’s okay with it. I took that to mean, she sees/hears it, she’ll address it when necessary, but won’t let it dictate her life. If she was really worried, she would have dealt with Chelsea Handler who has been slandering her for YEARS.
yep! I love the saying “Your opinion of me is none of my business.”
It’s part of what attracts people to her.
Lainey wrote a piece on her the other day on being a complicated figure that I actually agree with. How the public thinks they know everything about but really don’t which makes her an enigma. It was a pretty interesting take on Jolie’s celebrity and her female friendships that we are aware of.
No is not after she left Brad she said before she always felt she was different and never fit in and that was ok with her because she is not expecting people to understand her.
Yep. This has nothing to do with Brad. She’s always been the “odd girl” and she’s comfortable with that. That’s a big reason why I was an early fan.
The way she talks about being so reliant on her kids kind of reminds me of what you would hear about Princess Diana confiding in the very young William and Harry (no, not comparing Angelina and Princess Di). It just doesn’t seem healthy and it is a lot of pressure/responsibility for those kids to be almost caretakers for a parent. Also seemed a lot of family support came from Brad’s family, none of my business but still curious if that relationship was severed.
MarionC, I completely agreed with what you’ve said especially about Princess Diana and her kids and her ‘Mummy is the only one who loves you, here’s what he did to me today’ attitude. It also appears to me that Angelina is attempting to sever all ties (from herself and the kids) with Brad and his family. I don’t think that Letting kids call the shots and make adult decisions when five of the kids are 13 and younger is good parenting.
And again with the ‘nobody has stood by me more’ stuff, all of it passive aggressively suggesting that Brad hasn’t stood by her when in the past she’s praised him for doing so. I hope this attempt at belittling ends soon before it gets beyond repair and makes a friendly for the kids’ sake relationship with Brad impossible, but perhaps that’s what Angelina is after.
I really like them both and selfishly want peace between them while they go on with separate lives.
How did you get that she’s reliant on her kids? She said they’ve supported her more than anyone, it doesn’t mean she’s depending on them for support. She also never said they’re her best friends, just that they’re the best she could ask for, there’s a difference.
At TIFF the other day, a reporter shouted a question at the kids as they were walking by (I cant remember the question) and spur of the moment Shiloh, turns smiles, and yells “WE LOVE HER”. I think they just have a close knit family.
Her kids are her best friends: “They really help me so much. We’re really such a unit. They’re the best friends I’ve ever had. Nobody in my life has ever stood by me more.”
Peeking in, I think the direct quote above about says it all.
Brad can maintain the childrens’ relationship with his own family on his time. We already know what a piece of work Jane Pitt is! yuck. it would be nice if Angelina did try, but it’s not her job to maintain relationships with her ex in-laws who probably don’t like her for refusing to cover for Brad. That’s now Brad’s job. if it’s important to him, he can handle it.
Women are treated as responsible for maintaining relationships but that’s BS.
It’s interesting, though, that there has not been a word from the senior Pitts since the separation, or that Brad chose to spend last Christmas and Thanksgiving away from his family. Maybe Bill and Jane Pitt have refrained from taking sides, which in and of itself would say volumes.
Your kids shouldn’t be your best friends. It’s too much pressure on them. Yeesh. I will never understand this woman.
I think it’s in part how she was raised herself. Her mother was her best friend, and vise versa. It’s great that she has such a close bond with her children (as she should), but yeah…I’m not sure if that’s the healthiest type of relationship. It’s definitely a fine line. But every family is different, and whatever works for them, and so on and so forth…
Yeah but then she said herself she would prefer more boundaries with her children and that was years ago. She’s just turning into her mother if she truly believes her children are her friend’s. And just like her mother, she will be in for a rude awakening when there is 1 or more rogue kids who despite all the love and attention go crazy for a while and she will have to stand back and realise she’s the parent with no control or power. What you put in, is not always what you get back, Jolie of all people should know this.
She has this idea that she wouldn’t have turned out rebellious if only she traveled the world and saw real suffering like she did later in life so what is she going to do when some of her kids might turn out average homebodies or rebels without a cause like she for awhile even with all their worldly knowledge?
I don’t believe she would be truly this airy fairy and I suspect that’s the reason why she is gently guiding them in a direction she approves of…eg like she mentioned before how she would like some of the children continuing her charity work.
smcollins – exactly. All I could think about while reading the quotes was “Oh sweetie, your mom was the same way with you, wasn’t she?” I think Angelina had unhealthy relationships with both her parents.
That said. I really believe she’s devoted to those children and THEY are the most important thing in her life, not herself. She’s not narcissistic as far as they are concerned (she might be in other aspects, but not that one). She’s doing her best, which is what every mom does – which is what every mom should do. And I admire her for it, even if I wouldn’t give to the press exactly those “insights” into what’s happening right now in my family life. Those were for the sake of Brad, I think. She’s kind of communicating with him passive-aggressively through the media at the moment, even though I’m not sure she’s realizing it fully.
I agree, children should not be burdened with a friendship of unequals with their parents. You can be friendly and have fun with your child and enjoy them immensely, but that doesn’t mean they are your friend. And you can truly be friends with your children when they are adults, when you have equal power in the relationship. Until then, the parent is the vastly more powerful person in the relationship and with that power comes the responsibility to be the one who is leaned ON – an adult should not ‘lean’ on a child in their relationship, ever. That is the difference between a friendly mother and a mother who is a friend. Mothers who are friends first are usually needy messes, in my experience.
Yeah, as a non-parent, I have noticed this. Whenever someone tells me their preteen or teen kid is their best friend, I kind of automatically characterize them as a “friend mom” and expect some Grade A Hot Mess in a few years when the kid tries to assert adult independence and have their own actual “best friends” their own age that did not also give birth to them… I know a “friend mom” that literally tried to commit suicide after her daughter moved thirty minutes away to college and didn’t want to spend every weekend with the mom … the mom would show up at college and try to have “sleepovers” in the kid’s dorm room and go with her and her friends to the football games, etc.
Yikes Chaine! I think that’s an excellent case for the argument that you have to have more in your life than just your kids. Friends, careers, passions, hobbies, etc. If the only thing in your life is your children, what are you left with when they grow up and begin lives of their own?
That’s sad. It sounds like that girl’s mother had some other serious health issue going on. That must have been hard for both of them.
I don’t think that’s what’s going on here with the Jolie-Pitts though, because she has more in her life than her kids.
I don’t quite get the part about the house. “…there was going to have to be a home. Another home.” She didn’t want to settle in one place? (And if they are settled, why aren’t the kids attending a local school? They have before, I think. Could be good for both them and her.)
I took it that the house they were all living in was Brad’s. If the end goal is full or some version of joint custody, courts will look better on it if both parents have a stable home base vs. one having a home and the other more transient.
Aside from the comment on her kids being her best friends, this is also what bugs me the most. Kids need a certain amount of stability and changing your home regularly can IMO become a problem, especially when they get older.
And I don’t think she is an enigma, if people show you who they are, believe them.
But they’ve always had a home, it was the house where Brad now continues to live and where the GQ style nterview was conducted. She just meant she realized they were never going back there full time…
poor kids
Yeah, she’s just an awful mom. The absolute worst. We should tar and feather publicly, Game of Thrones style. *SHAME SHAME SHAME”.
🙄
Her kids appear to adore which going by the comments on Celebitchy in relation to anything Angelina IS A TERRIBLE THING!
I don’t think she is a terrible mom and I don’t hate her, but I do think she needs to learn boundaries with what she shares with the press. I also think parents being best friends with their kids during their childhood and teen years doesn’t usually work out well but maybe her kids will be the exceptions.
Goats – she’s living her life the way she chooses. How do you, a stranger decide what her boundaries should be?
She’s free to share, you’re welcome to criticise, as you’ve been doing. Over and over and over.
Also, she never said her kids were her best friends, she said they’re the best that she could have. I think there’s a distinction there.
I think she did something to her hands. They look much better. I have the same scary prominent veins and I wonder which kind of treatment she might have done..
I’m super-veiny too and I would never describe my veins as “scary”.
Love yourself and remember that prominent veins are great for donating blood and very helpful in case you ever need emergency treatment. My BF is a paramedic and he always says the most frustrating thing is trying to find a vein on some people who have very thick skin.
reading all the conflicting reactions about her, just in the 1st 15 comments of this thread, you can see why she doesn’t give a sh*t.
and that in itself is pretty badass
THIS.
She somehow finagled her way on to the Front Page of the New York Times! She absolutely cares. While “saying” she’s above all that. The inconsistencies of this woman are staggering. It all feels incredibly calculated and untrustworthy to me. She managed to get the VF fiasco reduced to one word. A miscalculation.
This…she cares. I don’t mind Angelina but she’s not above it all nor does it just for philanthropic reasons by any stretch of the imagination.
She cares. She’s a human being. But she’s also seems confident in her beliefs, choices, etc. She knows people with judge her but will not let them dictate her life.
@LadyT… the mischaracterization bit is very disappointing, but the slow trickle of reviews also give me pause. Embargoes happen, but more than ever, it feels like Angelina and/or Netflix are trying to game the system.
We shall see.
@pwal
Only because it’s an Angelina Jolie project there has to be some conspiracy theory on why it’s getting positive reviews. Why can’t it get positive reviews because critics think she and her crew did a great job?
I don’t think she cares as much as you think she should care.
YES!
There are perfect moms here sitting behind computer even though I find it strange that the free advices given to a family that they know nothing about. I wonder why your time is spent reading and critising an unrelated woman instead of concentrating on the welfare of your own.
Because it’s a celebrity gossip site and hanging out on one does not negate the welfare of one’s family?
@Oshen My kids don’t mind at all when I keep them home from school to serve me multiple meals and snacks each day so I will be nutritionally fortified while having my CB time. My kids get to witness me sharpening my eagle-like talons of judgement. Eat or be eaten, Team Mumzy! My family welfare is rooted in the policy that if Mumzy isn’t happy, no one is happy.
But seriously, I’m not on CB to criticize and am often weary of the piles of snark unrelentlessly heaped upon some of the celebs profiled here. However, people in the public eye choose what they open up for (sell) public consumption and CB is an outlet for that consumption and consideration. To me, CB is far more than just a celebrity gossip site — so many commenters from around the world have opened my mind and heart with their varying perspectives about a very wide range of issues (and educated me about marvelous slang, geography, and politics and culture). The sense of humor from CB’s writers lifts my spirit (much needed) and the care and concern, and even respectful restraint, of the amazingly educated readers/commenters is really remarkable.
+1000 @mumzy, couldn’t agree more with everything you have said. Thank you for such a funny, beautiful, warm, caring and insightful post. I feel exactly the same about cb. 😍
+100000… Perfect moms …
Yet aren’t you are also on this site and, by this comment, also criticizing the parenting skills of people you do not know as opposed to focusing on the welfare of your own family?
Why do you assume we all have children?
@Oshin, guess what, NOT EVERY ADULT WOMAN IS A MOM.
You do realize computers are portable nowadays? That you can be on Celebitchy and take breaks right? mehbee not
Some of us are old enough to have adult offspring so we know how they turned out and they don’t need us every day.
If you have to announce you’re a good person, you’re not a good person. I always feel like everything she does is so calculated. There is just something about her I never trusted.
“If you have to announce you’re a good person, you’re not a good person.”
Does that work the other way
“If you have to announce you’re a good person, you’re not a bad person.”
It seems the ways people try to justify their dislike for Angelina Jolie becomes evermore bizarre.
Just because she says she doesn’t care doesn’t mean she doesn’t care (the constant pap walks are for imaging with kids…?) and ‘loving’ the heat could be related to health issues. That NYT piece could and should have dug deeper but didn’t .
Yep. Apparently journalists were barred from asking questions about the game. She very much cares about her image and ‘I don’t care about my image’ is part of the image she is going for.
She has botox, extensions, fillers (I know everyone does in HW) & her kids trotted out on repeat. This is not a woman who’s above aesthetics.
She needs some positive press right now and she knows it.
+1
Yeah she cares. You have to in her line of work.
She cares about her image (like most realistic people who are public figures would) and cares about her physical appearance, but she doesn’t expect everybody to like her or get every single thing she says and does.
They all care, otherwise none would be news. But, she stated well: she said the words understand and like, which are not the same as being forgotten or neutral (the nightmare of mainstream celebrities).
I mean, she hired the real life Olivia Pope to deal with her PR, so obviously she cares a lot.
Her comments about her kids make me uncomfortable. It seems like she’s emotionally dependent on them and their support. I hope that’s not the case. It’s too much of a burden for children.
Holy Toledo. Guys. You all worshipped her like 12 months ago. This is nuts. Same person just now single. She has always put her kids first, always talked about them, chose films she thought they would like and brought them to premiers. It sucks that everyone is turning on her now that Brad is gone. Really truly mean spirited. Any mom, any parent, talks about their kids all the time. It’s normal.
It’s ridiculous. They attack every aspect of her life: from her appearance, her parenting skills to her career.
Exactly I said this same thing on the Maddox post. The hate for this woman has gotten over the top and ridiculous I see commenters like tracking who used to to say nice things about her over a year ago now so negative towards her. Damn this has become tiring smh!
I still like her. See her as a flawed but decent person. I will call BS when I read a canny celeb manipulating the public. Makes me suspect her end game. I’m VERY surprised by her naïveté regarding obvious healthy boundaries between parents and children. She seems to be lacking in that area, but no one is perfect. Regarding Brad…it’s clear he doesn’t want them in the public. I don’t think it’s bad that she brings her kids given the subject matter. It’s educational, and the Kung fu and Disney movies are fun. But, they should be in school and have time away from mom and dad to develop relationships of their own and gain independence. She’s not necessarily the best at letting go. Or at creating friendships.
Eh. I would say that in the past the AJ worship was equally over the top.
Things will balance out eventually. A lot of people who used to point out completely fair criticism in the past would get piled on for it. Now that more people are criticizing, more people are willing to post, I think.
I don’t like her more or less than any other celebrity. But I’m not about to praise her when she does stupid things, and I’m not about to crucify her for reasonable mistakes either. Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of inferring happening – when someone makes an innocent, fair criticism it’s assumed that they just hate her soooo much – that they want her punished somehow. Which is rarely the case. There are crazy stans and crazy detractors – but the majority of people are just commenting on whatever story is posted – nothing more.
THIS.
I disagree with your assumption that people turned on her simply because Brad is gone. I think she started getting a lot of negative feedback when the problematic way she handled the casting of the movie came to light. Regardless if she was single or married, it doesn’t change the fact that the way the casting was handled was an major issue.
I just think her stans can’t understand reasonable criticism from true dislike. Every critique to them is hate and they usually make the threads boring because of it. It is much more interesting to hear a variety of viewpoints.
I always loved Angie but was never a Brangaloonie or huge Brad fan so I did not turn on her. But yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s shocking how much vitriol she is getting now. I still don’t understand what unforgiveable thing she did. Brad is the one that got drunk and had an altercation with his son. Not Angie. I had issues with that Vanity Fair interview too but I still think she is fundamentally coming from a good place (IMO her mistake may have been from over confidence and hubris. She should have conferred with experts when dealing with those children.) But I don’t buy for a second that she’s some sort of narcissistic monster the way her haters portray her. She’s complicated and flawed but good hearted and has put her money and actions behind her beliefs.
But we seem to live in an age where people prefer those who have never made a mistake even when the person who has never made a mistake also has never actually accomplished crap. :/
I read the comments on the Daily Fail and my impression is there’s a lot of unreasonable hate towards her, but also that a lot of the anti-Jolie sentiment has to do with / arose due to the way she handled the PR side of her divorce, and the controversy surrounding her latest film added to it. People didn’t want to see either the father or the mother taking down the other parent in public. There seems to be a consensus, true or not, that she made the divorce more public than it could have been. Even if she wanted her hubby investigated, the sentiment seems to be that she could have made it more low key for the sake of the kids.
Anyway I hear from Savannah and others that her career is suffering as well as everything in her life. Is this true?
What is her relationship with her brother James? He used to travel with them. Have not seen him with her for about a year.
Usually you would say your sibling is your best friend, not your children.
I don’t think she truly believes her children are her best’s friends, she knows it’s a good soundbite. In the VF article she said she cried on Loung’s shoulder, she’s been a comfort. And she also said she hides her weaker moments for her children by crying in the shower. That’s the difference between being a parent to little humans who need you and hanging out with your friend of 16 years…you can reserve moments of weakness for people you know you can rely on, kids cannot be friends because they rely on the parent. It’s simple and I’m sure she gets that. But she’s got a movie to sell and a possible Oscar nom to grab so she’s using everything she has at the moment.
James was present more during the last part of 2016, something that was mentioned before the plane incident happened. The writing was on the wall. But again, her brother doesn’t sell magazine. People would just think about her kissing him again!
I love Angie and I get her and I love the shade she’s throwing to my boo Brad, “People may love you and you may have won them over and they may hate me but the kids know who I am so whatever.”. Lol that’s just my interpretation. I will say though, I don’t like parents saying kids are their besties.
Lol, I guess that’s why she has custody of the kids and Brad has custody of Hollywood.
And who got the better end of the deal? Hollywood will turn on you in a New York minute, but your children are yours forever.
I read NYT interview and I don’t see where she said she doesn’t care what people think of her. Seems she knows that she is seen as odd, different, weird and shes ok with that.
She will never stop talking about her kids. I don’t believe that narrative will never change. They are a massive part of her image.
I read it, too. Too much gossip and fluff for me but it does sound like she’s aware people will judge. It comes with the territory. But she’s okay because the only people that really know her are the people close to her so she will brush it off.
I just read the full thing too. At least it talked more about the film, but there was still a lot of personal life stuff in there.
“(Ms. Jolie said a suggestion in Vanity Fair that children were cruelly hoodwinked in the casting process was “a mischaracterization”).” Um…it was from her exact quotes, how is it a mischaracterization? And NYT really brushed that off, when they should have asked about it.
My mom used to say that we were her best friends, and we legitimately were. Sometimes it was unhealthy. Other times, it was just her way of getting through some lonely times. Being a mom IS lonely sometimes. You’re responsible for everything, and let’s be real, most dudes don’t pitch in. I liked this interview, I always appreciate that she’s so open. Her PR strategy is very “I’m such a humanist,” and like some posters have said, she can lay it on pretty thick. But I think it’s genuine in her case.
Agree with most people here that her comments about her kids are a bit…weird.
On another, entirely superficial note my friend’s dad saw Angie in NYC recently and took a snap to send to her…just a quick candid and she looks ridiculously beautiful.
I just wish she would put her nip*les away. Every shot she is headlights, it’s so bizarre. Yuck. And around the kids too.
I never thought the most beautiful woman in the world would age so badly. She looks like her old dad. Perhaps stress? All of her children are beautiful. I don’t care how they dress. It’s cool she lets them be their own selves. That said, she needs rest. I hope she’s ok
She hired real life Olivia Pope, don’t forget about that.
Holy balls these comments…😳🤔😅 ok I’ll preface mine by sharing I’ve spent 25 years working on my adult self, to understand my family, heal myself, fix myself, check myself, etc. After reading these comments, I now have a clearer understanding of a few family members et al. Wow. Seriously, Sending good vibes to all who may need it and thanks for all the sharing. Now, this may get some heat but it’s this kind of reaction to a person which makes me want to check their astrology. So I’m off to check Angie’s 😂
These are very early days still in her new life as hands on single parent of sorts so I’m not judging her. She has enough money and access to raise these kids in a healthy way. I’m keeping hope alive she does so.
All the comments here and the idiots on Daily Mail are funny. Jolie knows what her image is. She knew when she decided she would leave Pitte how people would react. Don’t forget whom we are speaking about. Pitt knew also that is why he refrained for so long about the truth and why he won’t be seen in public with those kids. He is playing the PR game and trying to make her look bad. He is still pissed at her because she walked out. Don’t u think she should be pissed at him too for everything.
Yes she hired Judy Smith and she is doing a good job. James is out, JV is in, her kids on front street showin and talking about being a mom. Her British girlfriends are out until IN traveling, so is Holly, and her old manager.
She needed an overhaul and a better way of doing things and out of the old brand with Brad.
She loves her kids and don’t mean literally that they r her best friends and the only people who have supported her. People who have followed her knows how she speaks and her mentions. She loves her family and will do what is necessary to keep them healthy. You negative Vining haters can kick rocks you don’t support or likie her so u r irrelevant in so many ways. She has million of fans still. Your thoughts are also your thoughts cause she Wil continue to do whatever she likes.