Camille Grammer says Kelsey won’t let their kids say her name, won’t finalize divorce

We’ve heard Kelsey Grammer trash his ex wife, Camille, at every turn. He even went so far as to have his current wife dress as Camille for Halloween, which just shows that he’s still obsessed with her. In a recent interview with Anderson Cooper, Camille dropped a couple of doozies about Kelsey that seem to confirm that he’s not over her. Kelsey never signed the papers finalizing their divorce settlement, and keeps “changing” the agreement. (He was allowed to marry Kayte because his divorce with Camille was “bifurcated” in that they were legally divorced but still need to work out the settlement.) He also forbids their two children, daughter Mason, 11, and son Jude, 8, from saying their mother’s name while they’re at his house. Also, he won’t talk, text or directly communicate with Camille at all and she said it’s costing them a fortune in lawyers’ fees. That’s so dysfunctional, but that’s Kelsey.

On how Kelsey hasn’t yet signed the papers finalizing the divorce settlement
We met before a judge a year ago to sign a final judgement settlement papers and it still we haven’t and the last time I was there Kelsey bailed before we were supposed to sign the papers. For the most part, I thought they were done because we came to agreement basically on everything and then I kept getting emails every other week from his lawyers that he wanted to keep changing things. So on my end, I said, ‘Okay, I agree to all of this,’ but he keeps making changes so I feel that at this point he is prolonging the process.

On co-parenting with Kelsey
It’s very difficult to co-parent with someone who won’t speak to you, text you or email you. He he doesn’t speak to me at all. So it’s very very difficult because I’ve reached out to him. I think it’s very important to be amicable to raise children and he refuses too. There’s just so much I can do at this point.

On how she communicates with Kelsey
It’s usually through lawyers. So we are spending a fortune just to try to co-parent, which is ridiculous.

Her kids aren’t allowed to say her name
The kids at this point, which is kind of sad I found this out, that they are not allowed to same my name in the house. So these poor kids, my daughter and my son can’t say my name in their father’s house…. I think they can say mom or the other household but they can’t say my name. They can’t say Camille.

I feel horrible. I call my lawyers and say, ‘What’s my recourse in this? What do I do as a parent?’ because I feel bad for them. It must be stressful for them to not be able to say their mother’s name but there is no recourse because we already settled our custody.

[From Anderson Cooper’s show, received via e-mail]

I believe this about Kelsey, particularly about him forbidding the kids to talk too much about their mom. He wouldn’t even say Camille’s name when he did that big interview with Oprah. It doesn’t make sense to me, though, that their two kids would be calling their mother “Camille.” I think she means that they’re not allowed to talk about her when they’re around their dad, but the way she’s explaining it is awkward. We already knew this about Kelsey, that he is petty and mean and is trying to hurt Camille still, even when he’s the one who was cheating and plotting to leave before he bothered to talk to her about it. It’s just very sad that he’s trying to turn his kids on their own mother. He’s got some really serious issues to say the least.

Here’s a clip from the show where Camille talks co-parenting with Kelsey:
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Can’t stand Kelsey or his bride but their baby is adorable.

Camille is shown on 12-1 and 11-12-12. Kelsey is shown on 11-27-12. Credit: and FameFlynet

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  1. Ellie66 says:

    Ugh I wish we didn’t have to say any of their names.

    • Sandy Pandy says:

      Yeah, what Has Been Bin did she pop out of? Stripper please! She says they can say mom but why would they be calling her Camille anyway?

      • The Original Genevieve says:

        @ Sandy…

        Um, I get that you’re apparently “Team Kelsey”, but what good does it do to hate on Camille and call her a “stripper”, former career path aside? Kelsey and his new “thing” never miss an opportunity to bash or ridicule Camille, this fact is well documented.

        What’s up with the Camille hate? Not sure that I understand where that’s coming from. She’s trying to co-parent with a bombastic, egotistical, narcissistic personality type who is clearly not over her. Why throw shade on Camille? *major eye roll*

        So much for boosting up a sistah when her ex-husband disses her given even somewhat ample opportunity. Shame, girl. 🙁

  2. Aubra says:

    I keep thinking it was finalized since he remarried already. Kelsey is obsessed with her though, I am convinced of it

    • Alexandra Bananarama says:

      He’s obsessed, but not just with her. It’s his pattern. He changes his latest wife/gf into his ex wife via nose jobs, hair dying, etc… Then a few years later he dumps them for a new gf and talks about how much he hates them. Camilla looked a lot like Kayte before the surgeries.

      I think it’s already started.. Kayte’s hair looks blonde now.

      • deehunny says:

        Ok, I never heard that before but I looked it up because I’m curious. In People’s Mags Arcives, I found this:

        “Indeed, the breakup of his [Kelsey’s] marriage and the loss of his child arc but the latest in a plague of afflictions that Grammer, Job-like, has endured ever since childhood. When he was just 13, his father was shot to death in his living room by a deranged intruder: when Grammer was 20, his adored younger sister was raped and fatally stabbed: at 25. he learned that his two young half brothers had died together in a freak scuba-diving accident and that one was believed killed by sharks.”

        Sounds almost made-up, but check the link:,,20110754,00.html

      • mytbean says:

        deehunny – THAT is a hell of a childhood history. No wonder he’s so jacked in the head. 🙁

  3. Post-It's says:

    While I am no fan of Kelsey Grammer and think he’s a total loser, Camille isn’t doing herself any favors by making comments on the RHOBH about Kelsey’s penis size. I think both need to stop being so petty and move on.

    • SleepyJane says:

      Agree about the whole member size issue. When asked about the difference between her new guy and Kelsey, her response was “eight inches!”

      If I were asked about my new guy, the last thing I would be thinking about is my ex’s penis.

    • mimifarrow says:

      Yeah and whatever she said in Howard Stern, insinuating he was a cross dresser, I think? Kelsey is n a s t y but she would be doing herself a favor if she let the pros take care of their issues. These poor kids, like the Cibrian kids, it must be so hard on them.

    • lin234 says:

      I think she’s just as obsessed with him. She’s been going on 2 seasons now about her boyfriends d*** and Kelsey’s lack of one. WE ALL GET IT.

      I still think that during season 1 she showed her true colors and then she hired a pr firm to rehabilitate her image. I’m always surprised why people think she’s awesome now that she isn’t bragging about being Mrs. Gramnmer and how rich she is.

      I just feel bad for his kids. Doesn’t he have a daughter a few years younger than his latest wife?

      • Jayna says:

        I agree. Camille’s behavior on season one showed what she was probably like a lot as Mrs. Kelsey Grammer. She definitely stayed on to rehabilitate her image and admitted that’s what she came back season two. She didn’t turn sweet overnight like many fell for.

        Her new boyfriend seems nice but boring, and I guarantee she misses being an A-lister’s wife socially. But the new life is I’m sure better for her in a personal growth way. She has been humbled because of being dumped and because of seeing what a hateful narcissist she was, and probably is a lot nicer now.

        Her penis remarks and such are boring, I agree. I still will never forget the first season how she always brought up how jealous women always have been of her like she was some great beauty, and the way she acted around other husbands. Spare me.

        But Kelsey’s viciousness even after the affair has made him look way douchier than her.

    • Vicky says:

      Kelsey is scum while Camille is a very vindictive woman.

      Stop saying these low blow comments about your children’s husband in public. She’s made several statements questioning his sexuality, implying he was a cross dresser while also on more than one occasion dissing his penis size.

      One of these days, people will see they are both the same.

      • emmie_a says:

        Vicky: I agree that Camille is vindictive but I don’t think you can classify them as being ‘the same’… Kelsey has some major psychological problems. I think he has some real deep-rooted issues while Camille is just a bitch.

      • Jayna says:

        I agree with Emmie_A.

  4. mln76 says:

    Kelsey is clearly mentally ill. I feel bad for Camille but the best thing to do is keep her mouth shut and get the kids a decent therapist. He has done her a world of good by being such a d-khead and leaving her with a pile of cash and a better rep.

  5. fabgrrl says:

    Ug! I went through that, banned from talking about my mom around my father, because he would hit the roof every time we did. Absolutely horrible. It is beyond cruel to make little kids go through mental gymnastics to talk “around” someone, especially their mother, every time they open their mouths.

    • Anonny says:

      He’s totally a d-bag, but why would an 11-year old and 8-year old refer to her by her first name anyway?

  6. Dorothy#1 says:

    This is sooo ridiculous!!! I’m so disappointed I used to love Fraiser and now I can’t watch it without thinking about how much I hate Kelsey!!

  7. Blue says:

    She said on a show that she’s not allowed to be there for the hand off of the kids. She tried once because she wanted to talk to him but Kelsey just locked the car doors and wouldn’t even look at her. How messed up is that. He really needs to work on his issues.

  8. SleepyJane says:

    I know this article isn’t about Kelsey’s new wife, but looking at pics of her just conjures up thoughts of how she is just a tool in this whole charade.

    • Lexi says:

      Agree completely. Wonder if/when she’ll figure that out. Can’t be the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with!

  9. marie says:

    soo, why did they divorce? was it he cheated on her and Camille wanted out-this has been going on so long I forget.. However there is something wrong with Kelsey, the whole thing is weird..

  10. BeccaZ says:

    Lesson learned: don’t agree to divorce without hammering that settlement down first. None of this bifurcated business.

  11. valleymiss says:

    I don’t understand. They’re not allowed to say “Camille” or they’re not allowed to say “Mom”? Because if it’s the 1st case, that would seem weird anyway. Why would they refer to their mom by her first name?

    • fabgrrl says:

      They’re not allowed to speak of her. No “Mom took us to the park.” “Mom bought me new shoes.” “Mom said she likes pizza.” Although, they are probably allowed to say negative things about her….

      • Jayna says:

        They are allowed to say “mom.” They’re not allowed to say her name, Camille. I don’t know why the kids would say her name anyway.

  12. Becky says:

    He is wearing one of his new wife’s sweaters! Ha

  13. dorothy says:

    He is clearly mentally unstable. Glad she got away from him. Sad the children have to be subjected to his daily breakdowns.

  14. Brooklyn says:

    Kayte better take a long hard look at this situation. She’ll be in Camille’s shoes in no time. What kinda of man treats the mother of his children like this? Disgusting. Those poor kids, probably walking around on egg shells trying not to piss him off while he and his new wife no doubt bad mouth their mom. Men like him and Eddie slay me, how can you not talk to your children’s mom? How can you raise kids like that? And the new wives are so dumb they can’t see that they are merely pawns to get back at the ex.

  15. Heylee says:

    Honestly, I have always disliked Camille but this type of story gains sympathy from me. What is up with these adults who cannot communicate and be civil for the sake of their children? I am talking to you: Brandi, Eddie, Leann, Camille and Kelsey!!! These kids only get one life, and you are not even giving them a freaking chance for goodness sakes.

    • deehunny says:

      Funny, when I was reading her comments on co-parenting I thought, “did Brandi write this?” Sounded very similar.

  16. Tuxedo Cat says:

    That is a foolish game to play with your kids, Kelsey.

    I read that the man who killed his sister years ago has been up for parole recently and that Kelsey had to go give a victim impact statement. Maybe he’s taking it out on Camille?

  17. emmie_a says:

    Kelsey is an insufferable bitch.

  18. Blondie says:

    I’ve always heard he was a cross dresser.
    That rumor has been around for a loooog time. He does seem really unstable.

  19. Obvious says:

    I really want to know what his daughter Spencer thinks about all this. I adore her-she’s cute and a decent actress and got married i think last year.

    I’d love to get someone else’s take-but she is so private…

    • Jayna says:

      She probably doesn’t say much and stays out of it. I’m sure she thinks her dad is over the top, but I don’t think she ever liked Camille. So she probably doesn’t care anyway.

  20. Holden says:

    Is that a smile in the last picture? WTF is that? I’m going to have nightmares.

  21. Mandy says:

    I think the reason he is so bitter is because for some reason, he really thought everyone would be on “his side” when he left Camille. He didn’t really talk bad about her at first until the backlash hit him. But, that’s just my opinion.

  22. Grace says:

    He’s obsessed with her. He won’t settle the divorce so he can keep her close. I wonder what his new wife thinks of him obsessing constantly over his ex?

    • Jayna says:

      He doesn’t want to keep her close nor is he obssessed with her in a still has feelings for her way. He’s an arrogant narcissist. He made the fiancee he cheated on with Camille feel bad also. He dumped her and never acknowledged her feelings or that she was a person, and then it was Camille was the only one that understood him.

      Camille, after he dumped her, made disparaging remarks about him that were humiliating on Howard Stern and the reality show. How dare the little woman do that to the great Kelsey Grammar. Plus, she got a lot of money from him, which he probably resents. She has been his enemy ever since and his hatred of her is evident in his last few interviews. He is an immature baby and the kids suffer because of it.

  23. Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

    It is sad because all so called “adults” involved are immature and the kids are being treated like accessories.

  24. Miss You Enclave24 says:

    I feel bad for Camille, only because the person you divorce is not the same person you married. However, she needs to stop talking because she picked the man- take some responsibility for your actions. It doesnt take a decade to suddenly realize the father of your children and man you sleep next to everynight is a lunatic. She knew what the deal was way before this point.

  25. paranormalgirl says:

    Kelsey is behaving like my guy’s ex-wife. SHE wanted the separation because SHE was cheating and decided to try to hook the other man. Then when the other man ran like the wind, she wanted her husband back. But he had already moved on and filed for divorce. Her next step was to at as though JC was cheating and she was innocent of any and all wrongdoing. She tried to turn the kids against their dad, but their eldest daughter figured it all out. Some people just suck.

  26. Alana Fajina says:

    Camille has never looked better OR happier! Kelsey is such a pig and is only digging HimSelf a bigger hole. I do feel for the kids though, how terrible that must be for them. I wonder how they feel in all this..

  27. KellyinSeattle says:

    Here in Seattle we love “Fraiser”, but the consensus is that Kelsey Grammer sucks. He and David Hyde Pierce, and the whole staff, made a great team, but Kelsey ruins it.

  28. Bread and Circuses says:

    Something smells off about her story. How many kids–especially kids that are the age that hers and Kelsey’s are–ever refer to their mom by her first name?

    Honestly, I’m still Team Kelsey. Camille has always struck me as a petty, stupid, toxic, and insecure person. He shouldn’t have cheated, he shouldn’t have hid it–but sticking with Camille as long as he did took some mettle and some belief in commitment on his part.

  29. EscapedConvent says:

    God, that baby is cute as hell. It’s depressing that it has been born to a person with such severe psychological problems. The only good thing about that is that there will be lots of cash for the poor little guy’s therapy.

  30. Peg says:

    I like Camille, and I like her on RHOBH.

    Kelsey is acting like a big baby, but maybe she could lose the penis jokes?

    She doesn’t need them.