Kirk Cameron fights for freedom against homosexuality: ‘This is a war we can win’

Kirk Cameron

This photo of Kirk Cameron’s sad birthday remains one of the best viral images in the internet’s history. It eases my discomfort for what I’m about to admit. We all have regrets in life, right? One of my first regrets is having a crush on Kirk Cameron during junior high. I lived for my weekly shot of Kirk’s curly mullet on Growing Pains. It was a short-lived fascination. Towards the end of the program’s run, Bop! magazine’s gossip columns revealed that Kirk tried to convert all his costars to the Pritikin diet. That was my first clue about Kirk’s militant attitude regarding all things Kirk. What he says goes, and — especially when it comes to religion — there are no exceptions, or one shall be declared a heathen.

Kirk has somehow carved out a career starring (often alongside his sister, Candice Cameron Bure) in Evangelical-friendly movies. Kirk is super religious and refuses to even kiss another woman besides his wife in a movie. Even though he’s an actor. He’s also declared war on homosexuality by calling it “unnatural, detrimental, and ultimately destructive.” He then got all upset about the reaction to his hatred. Kirk said he was being “slandered” even though he’s the intolerant one.

Kirk’s upped the ante. I took notice a few weeks ago when he gave a speech saying that the Christian church should clean up its act before pointing fingers at others. He said that “fornicators and adulterers” are more of a threat to the church than gay marriage. This was surprising, and I didn’t cover it because Kirk sounded sort of sane. I didn’t want to cheer for him.

Kirk has swiftly reclaimed his status as a judgy evangelical. It didn’t take long. Kirk is starring in a new infomercial for the Alliance Defending Freedom. I stupidly visited their Facebook page and got sucked into a vortex of hate. This video is all about how gays (and abortionists) are attacking the rights of Christians simply because they exist. Kirk’s extremist brand of Christianity believes they are being oppressed because they’re not allowed to oppress the heathens. Kirk assures his audience, “I’m here to tell you, this is a war we can win.” The video is pretty long and boring, Kirk’s crazy attitude on gay marriage comes in at the 20-minute mark. Then he asks for money for the cause.

I can’t even imagine how Kirk feels entitled to think this way, but he does. It must take an awful lot of energy to dream up ways to declare war on people who pose no threat to anyone’s safety or freedom.

Oh hey. Here’s vintage Leo DiCaprio on Growing Pains with Kirk. Leo looks like heaven these days compared to crazy Kirk.

Leonardo DiCaprio

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  1. Kiddo says:

    Pfft, you’re going down, soldier. Might as well wave the white flag now.

    • Erinn says:

      I just can’t comprehend why people use so much energy on people that aren’t doing anything to bother them. Gay people want to have equal treatment across the board. They want to love who they love without being attacked. This shouldn’t even be a THING. It should just already be a done deal. I’d like to think that by the time I have kids and those kids are out in the world in school or whatever that this won’t be an issue. But the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

      • Kiddo says:

        There must be a battle in Cameron’s pants, maybe homosexuality does effect him.

      • Cas says:

        There was a quote I read some weeks ago and have remembered since: “Homosexual people are not interested in turning everyone homosexual. Homophobic people are interested in turning everyone homophobic.”

        His choice of words feels kind of frightening as he’s essentially declaring war on me (not to mention lots of others who might be in a more vulnerable situation). With still too many hate crimes happening, and with homophobic people’s disregard for the mere well-being and happiness of others who live a life that contradicts their beliefs, it just has too many unwelcome connotations.

      • Kiddo says:

        @Cas, Let’s just hope he doesn’t awaken the loonies to stir up violence. But in a nutshell (nut being the operative word), he is asking for money. Something tells me that his cause has more to do with enriching himself.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        It’s the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around. I can accept (although I can’t relate to) the idea that homosexuality is against someone’s religious beliefs but I simply CANNOT understand why people work so hard to deny others of their inherent rights. I just don’t get why some people care about what others do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. How does that affect your life?

      • Kiddo says:

        @TheOriginalKitten, I believe the thinking is like they don’t have freedom of religion until everyone else is forced to abide by that same religion. It is the most twisted concept and bastardized interpreted version of the constitution imaginable.

        At any rate, the only time anyone pays attention to this guy is when he is saying hateful things. So he is creating an entrepreneurial endeavor to make it rain money.

      • Cas says:

        @Kiddo: Thanks, my fingers are crossed for that, too. I couldn’t force myself to watch his speech, but if it is as you say and he’s really scheming to enrich himself, I hope that others will see through his charade. It’s still telling that the ‘war on homosexuality’ seems to be a promising sorce for money. So much energy and so many resources that could be used to do something actually beneficial…

        I should add that I’m not American, but not everything is perfect here, either. One of our two big governing parties does not ‘believe’ in gay marriage, for example, which is troubling for me as I’m transgender and married, and changing my official gender would essentially break that marriage up. There’s some kind of civil union here, but there are still legal differences. (Sorry for derailing, I have the bad habit of going off on tangents :/ )

      • littlestar says:

        It is probably very cliché of me to say this, but it seems like those who protest against something so hard often have some secret themselves that they feel they need to hide. And not only that, why the obsession with other people’s sex lives? If people want to “fornicate” with other people they aren’t married to, have affairs outside of marriage, sleep with someone of the same sex, let them. It’s none of our damn business. Kirk Cameron seems to be very messed up inside. Hopefully one day he awakens to the hatred he feels which is very likely hatred of himself, but that he projects onto others to make himself feel better and justify who he is.

      • Sabrine says:

        No, he’s not going to get anywhere with his hate filled comments and he’s not going to win anything either. He has homosexual tendencies himself that he is terrified of.

        This individual doesn’t realize times are changing. He may live long enough to see the old generation of homophobic haters die off and take their bigoted views with them. The next generation is going to be far more accepting of their fellow citizens. Unfortunately, this douche will probably still be around but he’ll be one of the few in a minority who will still cling to their outdated prejudices..

      • Nighty says:

        I dot know about that @Sabrine. The next generation is being raised by this, so there’ll still be homophobic, the same way there are still nazis nowadays… Unfortunately. But I hope they will be somewhat better …

      • Jay says:

        Because some people who have no self control turn to religion to be their moral watchdog. They convince themselves they can’t give in or God will punish them. Then they see others doing the thing they’re trying to resist, but since God is everywhere they reason others should be subject to the same restrictions because if they’re not then what’s to stop them from giving in to their urges just like those others do. I’m not saying all religious people are this way, but rather those who have control issues can turn to religion as a last desperation, and they’re the ones that become vocal about insisting everyone else play by the rules they do because they don’t want to allow there are exemptions. If there were exemptions it’d be harder for them to resist too. That’s how they feel their freedom is compromised in their mind: you’re not permitting them to practice a religion without exemptions.

    • QQ says:

      if the rumors about him are true You KNOW homeboy is in a veritable mindbattle with his little trolling parks homosexual agenda and the religious claptrap he publically espouses

      • Kiddo says:

        So then he should surrender and wave the rainbow flag instead?

      • CooCooCatchoo says:

        @QQ – I read a blind vice a while back about a has-been teen idol, on-the-record homophobic, Evangelical Christian celeb (married with young kids) who frequented the gay bars in WeHo on the down low. Everybody guessed KC. I can totally picture him seething with self-loathing. A case of “the lady doth protest too much” lol!

      • Miss Melissa says:

        Hateful self-loather

    • siri says:

      @littlestar: I really like your comment, it’s not cliché at all, but very thoughtful. It’s deep-rooted fear that leads people to despise, or hate others for something so personal as sexuality, or just for being different. Instead of embracing diversity, and let people live their life the way they want to, Cameron projects his own insecurities, and fears, onto so-called minorities, and that’s best done with the support of like-minded people. He just shows to me so well, what a difference there is between religion, and spirituality.

      • kri says:

        You know, sometimes I wish Alec Baldwin would slap the RIGHT person. Seriously, it is sad to think of waging “war” on a group of human beings because they are brave enough to love someone. That’s what this comes down to-love. No one should be declared an enemy for loving another person. It’s what redeems us, isn’t it? Usually I’m a grumpy snark, but this makes me sad in my heart. I am going to look at some pics of Michael Sam and his cute bf to cheer me up and remind me that an open heart is a happy one.

      • lucy2 says:

        You are completely right about hate coming from fear, and I think it’s pretty clear in his particular case.
        I honestly feel sorry for him – being that angry and scared all the time, and letting your religion be a source of fear and anger instead of comfort and love, is a pretty shitty way to live.

      • siri says:

        @kri: Well, let’s give Baldwin a call then:-) It’s so true what you say: people who are courageous enough to love, no matter what, should be applauded. No, not for their sexuality, but simply for the fact that they dare to love, and be truthful to themselfs. Do we have enough love in this world? Even if so, we can always use more, right ?:-)

    • Delorb says:


      Its also what people with addictive personalities do. They exchange one addiction for another. My brother used to get drunk and high all the time. He even drank rubbing alcohol to get drunk (I don’t think it worked). Not kidding. Almost overnight he joined a church and started telling everyone how they should be living their life and where they were going wrong.

    • Decloo says:

      When is the Rapture going to ever get here???!! So people like this will be swept up to wherever it is they are headed and leave the rest of us heathens in peace.

  2. Ag says:


    thank you for leading the story with “sad birthday kirk.” he’s pathetic.

  3. Dani2 says:

    Why does he care so much what other people are doing with their lives? Ugh, I hate that this guy is given a voice in the media.

    • BratB says:

      I agree, but I do have a problem with the media being open to people who support gay rights and such but shutting down people who simply say that religiously they don’t believe that homosexuality is right. I am a christian and I would not say or do anything to harm anyone regardless of their sexual orientation… period, but if you ask me how I should be allowed to express my opinion. I guess the problem might be all the radical people who get involved.

      • Cecilia says:

        You have a point. There seems to be an agenda & it appears to be biased. Kirk is allowed to believe anything he likes, but if he carries his beliefs into the public arena, accompanied with a battle cry — he best be prepared to expect opposition.
        I don’t see why he has to make this into a battle. He is an extremist.

      • doofus says:

        “I am a christian and I would not say or do anything to harm anyone regardless of their sexual orientation… period,”

        and that’s the difference between you and Cameron. this so-called Christian has declared “war” on gay people. he can think that it’s “wrong” all he likes but if he states his opinion, he better expect to be greeted with folks who disagree.

        he can think it’s wrong, and he can go around all over the world and tell people he thinks it’s wrong, but when he starts to actively try to deny people basic civil rights, that’s when there’s an issue.

      • Kiddo says:

        Also, no one stopped him from expressing his opinion, so what’s the issue?

    • Mich says:

      Self hate? There have been rumors about him for years.

      • Moonlight says:

        Exactly. I recently watched one of his Christian films. Do. Not. Judge. Me. I didnt grow up in the US and I had never seen him act, I was curious. And it was playing on TV, I have no life, I hate myself etc.

        Anyway, he plays a fireman whos wife is emotionally cheating on him. Then his dad gives him the Bible and his wife stops hanging out with this other unsaved guy. Then everyone is saved. The end.

        I was struck by two things. 1) He does kiss the actress in the reconciliation scene but it feels…….weird. Not I have a wife weird but rather I would rather kiss the actor playing my dad weird. 2) He has a glorious bubble butt that is frankly wasted on us straight girls. No way God didnt intend that one for the boys.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        @moonlight: in that movie, they dressed up his wife as the character of his wife in the movie and shot it in silhouette. So he was actually kissing his wife, Chelsea Nobel (who used to be a sorority girl at SUNY Geneseo named Nancy Mueller)

      • doofus says:

        Moonlight, I love your entire comment, especially your initial disclaimer and your synopsis of the “film”.

      • Exactly. The more extreme, the bigger the skeletons. Hell, didn’t that white supremacist guy just get caught with a black male prostitute?. Whatever he’s hiding, it’s going to be HUGE, and AMAZING, and most likely, VERY satisfying for those of us who live without our heads up our collective asses.

        And Kirk, it’s called LIBEL when it is the written in when someone disseminates untrue information via the internet…..( untrue, yeah, sure it is).

  4. Mouse says:

    There really are no words and I can’t believe I am even commenting. But wtf?!

  5. Lindy79 says:

    These f*ckers….an exercise in manipulation to suit an agenda.
    So (from 20 minute mark) they object to what they perceive to be promotion of the “gay agenda” on a college campus but they in declaring their own rights want others shut down…ok then.

    *shakes head*

    • Wren says:

      Yes, poor little white heterosexual Christian male. You’re so oppressed. So very, very oppressed. Poor baby.

    • Dawn says:

      I would agree with you except for the fact that it is NOT only white Christians that feel this way. There are intolorent religions world wide who feel the same exact way as this nut case. And that is why I stay away from all religions because they all in their way tell people how they expect them to act and live their lives because of course they all think they speak for their god.

      • Kiddo says:

        In this country, no other extreme religions have the same dominance and representation as the radicalized version of Christianity. So even though they exist, they are not a factor in legislation and the public dialogue.

      • doofus says:

        yes, the attempt to influence legislation is the issue.

        be intolerant all you want. go to your closed-minded and bigoted churches…but DO NOT try to influence laws that affect everyone with YOUR religious moral standards.

      • Tatjana says:

        I am a practicing Catholic. I am also very left liberal, support gay rights, etc. So are most people I know.
        The words WAR and CHRISTIANITY don’t go in the same sentance.
        My country is very Catholic so I wen’t to church regularly and had Religion as a voluntary subject in school. I have never heard my priest or my teachers say the words war, or hate. The focus was always on love, hope, tolerance. Our priest rarely spoke of sin, or hell. Even when there was a discussion on gay rights in the country, he said we shouldn’t blindly follow tradition. I was recently on a Mass for the Catholic Youth, and the guests of honour were the representative of the Jewish community, a Muslim Imam and an Orthodox patriarch. The bishop said that they are in our prayers, and hopefully we are in their too.
        In Religion classes we spoke of homosexuality only once, hen our teacher said that homosexuality is not wrong and that they should be loved and respected. Having sex with the same gender is a sin because it’s outiside of the marriage ( I don’t believe that either, but I never thought you have to agree with everything). Of course there still are ignorant assholes with a twisted view on religion, and unfortunately, they tend to shout the loudest.
        Also, I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t believe in the evolution.

        I don’t understand how someone can be so full of hate like this Kirk person and consider himself religious.

      • Decloo says:

        @Dawn: Here here!! Freedom from religion!

    • Lauren says:

      @Tatjana I am Catholic too and my experience has been much the same. But I recently realized that a lot of other Christian groups particularly of the Protestant dominations consider us Catholics to be heathens, backwards, and pretty much the equivalent of devil worshippers. It was shocking to say the least that while away at university this was the common reaction from other Christians learning I was Catholic. I think I lived in a bubble too long going to Catholic school all my life until post secondary. However I befriended my roommate who was baptist and even attended her church and found a whole bunch of nice and accepting people in them. So of course it is not everyone who thinks of Catholics like this.

      But anyways back to topic…

      My teachers in school always addressed homosexuality with tolerance or didn’t talk about it at all. They seemed more concerned about us learning about how to translate charitable acts of kindness into everyday life and not keeping such things confided to a classroom.

  6. Meredith says:

    I hope you didn’t watch that entire film CB…28 minutes of crazy…yeesh

  7. Kali says:

    $50 says that there’s a story about him that comes out within 10-15 years that will make Ted Haggard look normal…

    • HK9 says:

      Yup! I think you’re going to be $50 richer right about now. This is usually how it starts with these guys.

    • nora says:

      you say true, most people who struggle against the homosexuality are gay caches if they live their lives without handles s gay.

    • PunkyMomma says:

      Methinks he doth protest too much.

    • ataylor says:

      There is. He was spotted a few times “frequenting” a noted gay pick-up area near one of the entrances to Griffith Park a few years ago — by a former co-worker of mine who, let’s just say, prefers his casual encounters “brief and discreet.” And homeboy wasn’t preaching his bible either…

      One of these days, he’s gonna drop the ball. Big time.

      • Kali says:

        And it will be glorious (if/when it happens). For the most part, I’m trying to cut down on my utter glee when people are revealed to be hypocrites/awful but there is a special place in my twisted black little heart for when religious bigots are caught out in the behaviour they protest.

      • Chris says:

        I remember a blind item about this. Yeah, there’s a war alright.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        I can’t wait!

      • Kiddo says:

        I think you meant dropping the balls. lol.

      • I Choose Me says:

        I really does seem that the most vocal anti-gay spoke persons turn out to be closeted. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost. He’s allowed to feel how he feels, he’s allowed to speak about how he feels to anyone who’ll listen but since he’s actively trying to deny a group of people their civil rights, I will cheer when he takes his inevitable fall.

    • Wren says:

      It does seem that the ones most vocal are the one hiding the biggest secrets. Maybe they think they can atone for their behavior by aggressively promoting the agenda they believe to be right in their minds.

      What a horrible way to live. Shame, guilt, covering it up. It seems like these people are oppressing themselves more than any innocent gay person just going about their business ever could.

  8. Abbott says:

    This guy. Jesus. I mean… nevermind.

  9. blue marie says:

    *sighs* There’s no teaching some idiots. I refuse to watch that stupid video.

    • Izzy says:

      Like the horses say, you can lead the humans to knowledge, but you can’t make them think…

  10. GeeMoney says:

    Awww! That pic of him and DiCaprio is adorable.

    Growing Pains was always one of my favorite shows growing up, and I used to think Kirk Cameron was so cool.

    I don’t think that anymore. The man is entitled to his opinions (which I think are totally wrong and outrageous), but I wish he kept them to himself.

  11. Allie says:

    Totally LOLed at the first pic of his birthday. Hes so revolting.

  12. v1nc3nz00 says:

    maybe the war is inside himself …

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  14. Patricia says:

    Ugh, what a scumbag. I watched about one minute io the video, about how Christians are being “oppressed” on campus.
    It reminds me of when I took a history class about Ancient Isreal when I was in college. There were about three people who were what I would call “crazy Christian”, and I’m sorry if that’s offensive but they were off the hook. They continuously objected to the history we were learning because “that’s not what the bible says”. The prof finally had a freak-out and said he’s teaching history and what the bible says is not his concern. I’m sure those three people went home and whined about how they were “oppressed”.

    • MonicaQ says:

      It’s always so funny when people who have been historically in control suddenly start to not even LOSE control but just have to SHARE it and suddenly, “I’M OPPRESSED! OMG AGENDA EVIL MY RIIIIIIIIGHTS!”

      Very funny you weren’t concerned about other people’s rights before this.

      • doofus says:


      • littlestar says:

        Spot on, Monica!

      • lucy2 says:

        Exactly! I have never understood how anyone, in my experience in the US anyway, can claim their religious rights are being oppressed. Everyone is still free to believe and worship as they choose, and if they feel that somehow equals being oppressed, they should go check out some other places around the world where that actually does happen, and people are jailed or killed for their beliefs.
        But here someone says “Happy Holidays!” instead of “Merry Christmas” in a store with multicultural clientele, and suddenly it’s a war on Christianity. Eye-roll.

      • Nighty says:

        Really Lucy? Here no problem in saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Xmas… And my country is 81% (or smth of the sort) Catholic… Actually I don’t think people even distinguisj btw the 2… If I say Happy Holidays, people will answer either 1 or the other expression… And I thought we were very complicated…
        * opens eyes widely in surprise*

      • Isabelle says:

        Yes…when they start being treated like everyone else, aka equal, they loose their minds. Guess when you go from being a Prince/Princess to normal, it’s not so fun to have the same power as everyone else.

      • Lucy2 says:

        @Nighty- most don’t have a problem with it, but every holiday season there’s wackos who act like it ruins their holiday, and certain news organizations promote this”War on Christmas!” nonsense. It’s ridiculous.

      • I Choose Me says:

        + whatever number this is!

    • Peppa says:

      I used to have a coworker like that many moons ago when I worked at The Boys and Girls club. She told me I needed to be saved and that I wasn’t a real Christian because I was Catholic, had tattoos and drank alcohol. She also told a CHILD she was going to hell and needed to be saved for reading Harry Potter books. I know this chick thinks there is a war on Christianity because she flat out said that on facebook (why I am still facebook friends with this person I worked with fifteen years ago, I cannot say) when Maryland legalized gay marriage last election. I am just so confused as to why people like that think they constantly need to push their religion on you. She would tell me over and over to come to her church and get saved.

  15. Tracy says:

    I had a poster of this dolt on my wall as a kid too. We all make mistakes,must forgive ourselves and move on. 😉

  16. SamiHami says:

    I disagree with him 100%, but he has a right to believe as he wants to. The only people he is going to convince are the ones who already feel the way he does anyway.

    I wonder what would happen if it turns out that one of his children was gay?

    • Ange says:

      He does have the right to his beliefs, stupid as they are. The sad thing is he is using them as a platform to spread hate and oppression (not YOUR oppression should you be reading this, Cameron). If one of his kids turned out gay and actually had the courage to admit it you bet your balls he’d make that poor kid’s life a living hell.

  17. Talie says:

    I really think this is all an act to keep himself relevant — there is no way he is that homophobic. This man grew up in Hollywood and on countless sets with plenty of gay people.

    • doofus says:

      except that, if I recall correctly, he got one of his co-stars from Growing Pains fired because she had appeared in Playboy and that offended his delicate sensibilities.

      he allegedly converted (to evangelical christianity) during the show and it alienated him from most of the cast.

      • Bridget says:

        Yep, he got her booted. And Cameron didn’t go whole-hog on the Christianity until mid-way through the show’s run. You can see a distinct tone shift with his character in the last couple of years.

      • Penny says:

        Kirk also got Matthew Perry written off Growing Pains because he believed he was an agent of satan. Or at least that’s what he told people. Actually Perry had hooked up with Julie McCullough (the actress supposedly fired for being in Playboy) and Kirk was jealous, because he’d been dating her too.

        He’s been prone to saying crazy things ever since he discovered religion ie. “agent of satan”, but back in the day he certainly wasn’t living in a way that matched his supposed beliefs, so it may still be all talk.

  18. magpie says:

    All I wanted to say is that I had great taste in men. NEVER liked Kirk, didn’t even think he was cute. And on Silver Spoons when everyone loved Rickey I loved Derek (Jason Bateman).

  19. Aussie girl says:

    I loved growing pains! But this stuff is not even logical.

  20. Jessica says:

    What’s with the product placement in that header photo?

  21. BangersandMash says:

    Well, well, well!!
    I really don’t remember asking Kirk to tell me what he thinks…
    Is it safe to tell him to SIT DOWN!! Because I’ve about had it with this guy already!!

  22. Tx says:

    No you can’t win. You are already losing and you will be defeated.

  23. LMB says:

    I would not be suprised at all if one day this guy is being arrested for picking up rent boys or something. This guy has serious issues.

    • TG says:

      Yep. The self-loathing in this one is off the charts. Radio active. Wonder how many times a night he recites “I am not gay”, “I am not gay”, and so on.

      Just want to comment in that bizarre birthday pic. Is he so violent that the women are cowering in the corner? The one lady is actually standing behind empty boxes as if she was thrown out with the trash. I bet he is a very boring lay. I would say his poor wife but she is probably just as stupid and boring as he is so they deserve each other.

    • magpie says:

      Even Rush Limbaugh conceded that the (extreme) right had lost this debate.

  24. doofus says:

    I am so tired of the Christian right spewing crap about how someone SIMPLY EXISTING is “taking away their freedom to practice their religion.”

    no, a*hole, no one is preventing you from your freedom to practice Christianity (or your bastardized version of it), or to live by its rules…they’re preventing you from forcing others to live by YOUR rules.

    don’t agree with gay marriage? don’t get gay married. don’t agree with abortion? divorce? adultery? don’t engage in any of those things, but don’t make me live by YOUR rules. no one is forcing you to engage in any of those activities, but you’re trying to force people to live their lives as you do.

    THAT is oppression, you dumb ninny.

    • LMB says:

      I agree 1.000%!

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      Exactly. Not being able to impose your views on others does not denote “oppression”.

    • Bread and Circuses says:

      It has always struck me as odd when some person thinks that if they force people to act in a “moral” way, that would make God happy.

      For it to be a moral decision, it has to be a choice. Take away the choice, and you’ve taken away the person’s ability to be moral. Why would God want the population to have no option to be moral beings?

  25. DarkSparkle says:

    Forever Alone Birthday, brought to you by Subway.

    • blue marie says:

      *snorts* Desperately Seeking Friends

    • littlestar says:

      Those subs are pretty pathetic looking, aren’t they?

    • Jem says:

      I’m assuming here that Subway was his choice. If so, it was a curiously phallic one: a big, thick, long meat sammich you hold with both hands and cram in your mouth…. Just sayin’, he didn’t choose tacos

  26. Red32 says:

    You summed up what I was thinking – he must have loads of free time on his hands.

    Also, I wish these nuts would stop screaming “Christian” because that word encompasses many different people and denominations and a lot of them want nothing to do with Kirk’s foolery.

  27. Greata says:

    It is always a mystery to me that this section of the Christian community which is so intolerant all seem to forget that the Jesus , they proclaim to revere also urged his followers to “love one another as I have loved you”…… not love only those who look, believe , and reflect your lifestyle. For those who might scream at me… I am a life long Catholic….but my beliefs about God , and my fellow men are not limited by the tenets of my church. This is the 21st century……..time for this outdated thinking to be put away.

    • MonicaQ says:

      Same people who yell, “JESUS WOULD’VE WANTED ME TO HAVE ALL THIS MONEY TO MYSELF!” and “THE POOR ARE LAZY AND DESERVE NOTHING!” forgetting that oh wait, except that was the *entire* opposite thing Jesus (supposedly) said.

    • Christin says:

      Well said. This type of intolerant, completely judgmental thinking is not what Jesus taught.

    • Sam says:

      There’s an answer to your question –

      This is because the predominant form of Christianity in America is called Calvinism. It’s a school of theological thought that popped up during the Reformation and as a reaction to the Catholic Church. Calvinism differs from Catholicism mainly in that for Catholics (and other Christians), you must lead a virtuous life filled with good deeds; in short, you need to “earn” Heaven and salvation by doing good things. Sounds pretty basic, right?

      Calviinism differs in that it teaches that good works are NOT required to be saved. Calvinism teaches that Humanity is fundamentally unworthy of being saved. Doesn’t matter how good you might be – you are not good enough to enter Heaven. They believe that all that is truly required for salvation is that you accept God and Jesus as your Savior and that you believe the Gospel. Once this happens, they believe that God will enter your heart and lead you in a virtuous life. So if a Calvinist Christian amasses great wealth, he will usually believe that God wishes for him to be this rich, since he has God in his heart, directing his actions.

      I know, right? I always call it “cop-out” Christianity. It basically allows people to get off the hook simply because they profess the right beliefs. It’s why a fundie preacher can become a millionaire, cheat on his spouse and behave terribly and then just say, “I am a fallen man, I accept Christ in my heart” and just keep on going. But these are the kinds of Christians who especially love calling others sinners, because then they get to profess how saved they are. It’s infuriating.

      • Greata says:

        Thank you. I did not know about this.

      • Francesca says:

        This is such a helpful explanation! I never understood the history and have always been confused by the perspectives of some of my protestant friends (i am Catholic) regarding “knowing” they are going to heaven when they die. In my church, there is def the belief that you have to work really hard on yourself to get there!

      • Sam says:

        Francesca: Basically, yes. The problem centuries ago was that, for the Catholic Church, “good works” meant “give lots of money to the Catholic Church.” That was a big reason why Protestants ran away from the “good works” requirement. But obviously, the Catholic Church got away from that particular issue. But it’s always weird for me too, when people say “I know I am saved.” It seems like it’s almost too easy.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        Thanks, Sam! I had no idea of the distinction…very interesting indeed.

      • Malificent says:

        Sam’s got a lot of the history covered. A lot of the Protestant belief in “faith-based salvation” was a direct reaction against indulgences and other methods of literally buying off your sin that occurred centuries ago in the Catholic Church. However, the modern take on this Protestant belief by most moderate Protestant denominations is that while you are saved by faith alone — that’s no excuse to not be a good neighbor and do good works in this lifetime. And the Catholics got rid of the more blatantly medieval approaches to financial salvation centuries ago. So most denominations grew more moderate as time went by. (I was raised Lutheran, with a Catholic mom, so I grew up with a bit of both strains of thought.)

        However, the United States as a political entity was founded by the Puritans — who were boot-kicked out of England for being crazy reactionaries, even by the relatively conservative religious mores of that time. And even though the Puritans eventually ended up as a minority within the American colonies — it left it’s stamp on the overall US culture– particularly in certain regions and in certain strains of Protestantism. The Puritans had a very strong separatist streak, which I think also carries over to modern times — very much an “us vs. them” mentality. And it’s just as “rule”-oriented as the Catholic Church ever was in the Middle Ages. Which is how you end up with somebody like Kirk, and his siege mentality that his way of life is under attack. And who believes that everyone who doesn’t follow his own personal set of rules is morally corrupt.

        This faction of belief is how personal activities, like abortion and sex between consenting adults, are politicized in the United States, and are considered topics for public debate and legislation, rather than individual choices.

        I don’t see much “love one another” in that belief system, but a lot of people adhere to it, I think because it saves them from having to question themselves.

      • Tatjana says:

        Yeah, the Protestants have the 5 Solae, which we don’t have.
        Sola fide – faith alone is enough
        Sola scriptura – they only follow scripture, whereas we Catholcs also fallow the Catholic tradition and don’t take the Bible literally – that’s why the Church accepts evolution

        I never understood how Republican policies can be appealing to Christians – their economical policies are directly in conflict whit Christian beliefs, they are pro-war, pro-death penalty.

        But, there seems to be a difference between Catholics in defferent countries. We had a priest from The States for a couple of months and he was much more militant and much more right wing than our priests here.

      • Scarlet Vixen says:

        Sorry Sam, but your post is not entirely accurate. Calvinism is actually a pretty small section of Prostestantism in the United States. (The terms Protestantism and Calvinism are NOT synonymous.) There are a couple pockets in northern California and western Michigan, but that’s about it (it’s actually much more prevalent in Canada). Also, Calvinists aren’t all selfish ne’er-do-gooders who think they don’t have to be good people because they’re already saved. You’re sorta right about the accepting the Lord as your Savior saves you. But, the Christian Reformed church and Reformed Church both preach that good works are required by Christians. It’s just not through good works alone that you can buy your way into heaven. My father-in-law was a long time professor at a Calvinist seminary, has his doctorate in theology, and was a minister for 30 years for the Christian Reformed Church. I also converted to Christian Reformed Church 2 years ago. Good works and generosity abound, let me tell you. I’ve met more missionaries and social workers in the last 3 years than I ever met in any other faith. Also, the huge majority of Calvinists are firmly Democrats, just fyi.

        Kirk Cameron is an Evangelical Christian. Evangelicalism started with followers of John Wesley, NOT John Calvin (think Puritans, not Huguenots). TOTALLY not the same religion…

      • Sam says:

        Scarlet: Sorry, you are incorrect. Calvinism forms the basis of the second-largest (and most politically powerful) Christian denomination in the US today, the Southern Baptist Convention.

        Your father-in-law may have been a theologian, but that didn’t make him impartial – especially if he obtained his degree from a Calvinist school (which would not have encouraged a critical examination).

        You also misuse terms – most Calvinists ARE evangelicals. Evangelical does not mean what you think it does. An evangelical Christian merely attempts to convert others – that’s what “evangelizing” is. Jehovah’s Witnesses are evangelicals, even though they are almost never discussed as such. The term you are looking for is “fundemantalist Christian.” That is a Christian that believes the Bible as literal truth. However, you again miss the point. Calvinism is a form of theological belief and interpretation. Fundamentalism is a form of Biblical viewpoint – they aren’t mutually exclusive. Liberal calvinists did exist at one point – like Unitarian Universalists, when they first got going. However, they quickly moved away from it (least because the more conservative factions drew them out of it).

        The first tenant of Calvinism is the total depravity of man – meaning that Man cannot be saved through his own actions. God needs to do it. You don’t need to take my word for it, Wikipedia has a fairly accurate run-down. But you haven’t said anything that actually refutes the underlying theological arguments.

        Oh, and just an aside, your point about the Christisan Reformed Churches is actually not correct: the Church does not teach that good works are essential to salvation: “The Church promotes the belief that Christians do not earn their salvation, but that it is a wholly unmerited gift from God, and that good works are the Christian response to that gift.” …Which was sorta my point. Calvinists have never believed that good works are needed to be saved. I’m not sure what you were trying to prove otherwise.

      • I Choose Me says:

        Thank you for this. I’ve always wondered how, why and where most Evangelical Christians got their views on salvation. That explains a lot.

  28. Symbiosis says:

    Methinks he doth protest too much.

  29. Sam says:

    I hate these people so much, mostly because they always hold themselves out as just Christians – they usually don’t specify their denomination. They do this for 2 reasons: 1.) They believe they are the “true” Christians and everyone else is false (despite not having any biblical evidence to support that claim) and 2.) they believe that all Christians must believe as they do.

    They, weirdly enough, aren’t even excellent Christians. Objections to homosexuality are based predominantly on the Old Testament, not the New. The only New Testament references come from Paul, and many theologians believe they are mistranslated and Paul never objected to gay relationships in the first place. Jesus (you know, that guy that Christians believe was the greatest moral teacher ever) never had JACK to say about gays. He was pretty anti-divorce, but we ignore that stuff because a whole lot of fundie Christians love to get divorced. Christians like Kurt, to me, defame real Christianity because they don’t look at it critically. I truly believe most of them are just really uncomfortable with gay relationships and use religion to justify it (ahem, Phil Robertson).

    • aenflex says:

      Looking at Christianity critically is dangerous to a Christian. The deeper one looks, the more it unravels.

      • Sam says:

        Not for most of us. The trick is looking at it in an actual, er, Christian way. If you are a Christian, you should prioritize the Gospels as your moral source. Christians like Kirk do not. They base most of their morality off the Old Testament. It’s not even scripturally consistent. But you’re incorrect. Divinity schools (which I’ve attended) are full of Christians who look at their religion critically and are still pretty devout. If you were correct, most theologly schools would be filled with atheists, except that isn’t exactly the case.

    • Matthew says:

      “I hate these people so much, mostly because they always hold themselves out as just Christians – they usually don’t specify their denomination.”

      This seems like an awfully “hateful” and “intolerant” view of non-denominational Christians.

      Just saying

  30. poppy says:

    he’s the best kind of christian, the live and let live, turn the other cheek, god has love for everyone, oh wait, never mind.

    yeah, he probably has a whole lot hiding in his judgement closet.

    he seems howard hughes crazy -i expect he wears tissue boxes for shoes while he casts stones.

  31. Nighty says:

    I had never heard of his “movement” but they sound crazy!! Utterly, completely, disgustingly crazy!! Cristianity was supposed to be about tolerance… guess they skipped that part when reading the bible!!

  32. Jayna says:

    He should have stuck to all of the adulterers and fornicators within his church. It’s filled with them. It’s filled with divorced people having sex while not married, living together, on and on, and the Bible say that’s a sin too and the divorce rate is sky high. Leave the gays alone (including yourself.) I have a feeling he is a repressed homosexual. I worked for a man in a restaurant when I was 16 and 17. He had a pretty girlfriend. Every time gay men would come he would carry on, how awful that was, disgusting, blah, blah. Not even a year later he came out as gay.

    • Christin says:

      It’s the “do as I say, not as I do” attitude. I believe in live and let live. I am only accountable for myself and don’t have the right to judge. I do think that the overly vocal ones are often hiding something, just like the guy you knew.

  33. aenflex says:

    It’s so nice to know that we as a populace are so very close, relatively speaking, to having these type of biases become publicly unpopular at the very least.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      +1. If there’s a silver lining…

    • siri says:

      Thank you for this comment. Instead of focusing on differences of certain believe systems, we might as well remember the ‘fabric we are made of’- love. That, to me, includes respect, and tolerance, not judgement, or hatred.

  34. BendyWindy says:

    I had something really ugly to say about Kirk, but you know what? I think my energy will be better spent praying for the Lord to change his heart. Because seriously…reading comprehension fail, Kirk. Jesus calls us to love one another and this? This is not love.

  35. Mandy says:

    Good grief, pipe the f*ck down, Kirk!! I will never understand….

  36. Benny says:

    Everyone should have the chance to voice out their opinion…because his opinion doesnt match yours doesnt mean you should trash him.He too has the right to speak out. Whats your problem, why should it bother you especially when you are not gay.

    • MonicaQ says:

      No one has a problem with him speaking out. And we have every right to respond to him.

      • Steph says:

        Kirk believes in traditional Christian marriage,he doesn’t wish any harm to gays. If you are going to trash Christians then you should at least be consistent and place the same effort in trashing Muslims….where many have even more extreme views when it comes to gays and the value and role of women in society.

        I really do not wish to offend anyone but I live near a community with a high immigrant population of Somalian women and what I and my sister have witnessed regarding their treatment by their husbands(more like their slave owner) is deeply troubling.

        I apologize if I offended anyone…..I am venting.

      • Alyssa Callaway says:

        Right? He can say dumb stuff all he wants. And we can tell him how dumb it is. The harmful thing is that he is trying to “win a war” on homosexuality and is trying to change the way people are allowed to live. Homosexuality is not something that needs to be combatted. And even though I’m not gay, it bothers me because his beliefs are hateful and detrimental to society. He has every right to believe what he does, and I have the right to disagree a million percent with him.

      • cr says:

        @Steph: considering that he’s using terms like ‘war’ I’m not so sure he doesn’t mean harm, even though he’s not expressing it explicitly.

        As for the treatment of Somali women in your community, are you sure that’s not a Somali cultural issue, and not really a religious issue?

        I’ve seen wives being treated as near slaves in couples that aren’t Muslim, so trashing Islam seems painting with a very broad brush.

      • Tatjana says:

        The treatment of Muslim women is completely different in countries like Bosnia and Harzegovina or Turkey than in Iran or Saudi Arabia. You can’t lump them all in the same group, just as much as you can’t lump all Christians with lunatics like The Westboro Baptist Church.

    • Dani2 says:

      And how would you know that none of us are gay?

    • cr says:

      Don’t we keep going through this? We went through this with Robertson of Duck Dynasty and Paula Deen.

      Here’s the First Amendment:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]


      Freedom of speech isn’t being compromised when you get criticized for saying something.

    • doofus says:

      “He too has the right to speak out.”

      and no one is stopping him. we’re just responding, which we have the right to do, too.

      and though I’m not gay, I have friends and family who are, who I love very much, and I WILL NOT TOLERATE discrimination against them.

      In the words of Martin Niemoller:

      “When the Nazis came for the communists,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a communist.

      When they locked up the social democrats,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a social democrat.

      When they came for the trade unionists,
      I did not speak out;
      I was not a trade unionist.

      When they came for the Jews,
      I remained silent;
      I wasn’t a Jew.

      When they came for me,
      there was no one left to speak out.”

    • Aotearovian says:

      I’m not gay and it bothers me.

      Empathy. Look it up.

    • GByeGirl says:

      I have issue with him because he and his ilk are actively working to oppress others. It’s not simply expressing his opinion.

  37. Oceansoul89 says:

    What an idiot.

  38. Soulange says:

    This whole article says to me HE IS ATTRACKED to men.PERIOD!

  39. Alyssa Callaway says:

    Oh god, I just attended a breakfast for work where this guy Alan Sears (in the video) from the Alliance Defending Freedom (ugh) was the speaker. It was THE MOST uncomfortable two hours of my life. Seriously hard to sit through. It was all about christians being persecuted in the public marketplace. And I just couldn’t. Surprises me 0% that Kirk Cameron is part of their cause.

    (BTW this wasn’t a required work event, but my boss and other people in the office are apparently super conservative christians and the company sponsors a table at the breakfast each quarter and I figured I needed to make an appearance at at least once…now I listen to Throwing Shade in my office in secret rebellion. Because I like my personal belief system obvs, but I also like being employed).

    • Ange says:

      That’s such a shame you feel you have to do that to keep your job. I work for a Christian organisation and they are fabulous, they walk the walk and couldn’t care less that I’m an atheist. It makes me mad that they have the right to fire you if you don’t appear to subscribe to their hate.

  40. Jaded says:

    There’s something about his demented devotion to a truly disturbing and ugly type of religion that reminds me of Tom Cruise – same pathological obsession with dismissing all those who are not “true believers” and sweeping that intolerance under the carpet of so-called “legitimate belief”. In the end it’s just stupidity and hate.

  41. Izzy says:

    I always thought my birthday celebrations were a bit sad. Now I realize, they’re awesome. Thanks so much, you entitled douche prick… you really picked up my spirits! Hahahaha

  42. jwoolman says:

    Kirk does strike me as a man in the closet. He made an abrupt change long ago, I think, at just the age when he might be struggling with homosexual or bisexual feelings, uncomfortable about them, and looking for a way to stop them. Fear of hellfire was apparently his choice…

    I have a little daydream sometimes that new Dead Sea scrolls have been found proving without a doubt that Jesus was preferably gay but I’ll accept bisexual. Wouldn’t that be nice?

  43. kibbles says:

    Don’t feel too bad about having a crush on Kirk. He didn’t become a crazy evangelical until towards the end of Growing Pains. I think he was once an atheist as a teen before he did a complete 180. He made his co-stars’ lives a living hell during his conversion to Christianity. He got a woman on the show fired because she once posed for Playboy. He completely ruined her acting career. He also did not invite any of his Growing Pains family to his wedding and cut off all contact with them for a decade. I get the feeling that his Growing Pains co-stars can’t stand him, but have to be cordial and include him in any reunions.

  44. Tatjana says:

    The words WAR and CHRISTIANITY don’t belong in the same sentance.

    • Dani2 says:

      Don’t they? Google “The Crusades”.

      • Tatjana says:

        I am aware of the Crusades. I went to school. They happened because religion was misused. Just as much as it’s misused here.

        I meant in Christianity today.

  45. Stef Leppard says:

    LOL!!! What a douchenozzle. Some people are so ridiculous. I feel bad for him that he is so closed-minded. Life can be much less stressful, Kirk!

    • Decloo says:

      I really feel bad for his kids. It’s terrible to be taught to hate this much.

  46. Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

    He looks like Rick Santorum.

  47. Deanne says:

    Kirk is absolutely obsessed with this subject. As a Christian, you’d think he’d want to wage a war against world hunger, or homelessness, or do something that would actually help others, but no, he just wants to cry victim and incite hate (because that is what he is doing) against gay people. It makes me think that other poster’s assertions that he is self loathing, are very true. I’m sure his saviour is thrilled that he devotes so much of his time, raising money to perpetuate hate. He’s such a tool.

    • Tiffany says:

      I know. His fall is going to be epic. I believe if he is engaging in a relationship with someone other than his wife, they are going to burn him to high heaven.

    • Sam says:

      Hell, even the Pope himself is now saying to ease up on the gay stuff and maybe give more of a crap about the poor and marginalized. But they don’t want to do that, mostly because they want to keep practicing a form of Christianity that requires no introspection or work. He claims to follow Jesus, but he forgets what Jesus said about a wealthy man (“It is easier for a camel to thread the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into Heaven.”) I haven’t heard about him giving up his Growing Pains royalties yet…

      • Deanne says:

        If he ever did give up his royalties, they would probably just go into producing another low budget, bigoted, misogynist themed film, that he stars in with his talentless wife, or to another hate mongerring group, hiding behind the guise of family values. The whole family values crap infuriates me. Not everyone’s family looks the same and that should be celebrated, not have a “war” waged against it.

  48. Cheryl says:

    This photo is one of the most interesting I’ve seen on this site. It’s so joyless. Why are people cowering? Why is there no warmth or art in the decor of the room. A home? A private office? Who is taking the photo. Are the name brand sandwiches as celebratory as things get? The buffet bar of free condiments? The wall to wall carpet?
    A compelling portrait of bleak.

  49. elo says:

    I am beyond tired of the religious right asserting that their freedoms are somehow violated because they are unable to discriminate or otherwise abuse whomever they choose. Their freedoms remain but the fact is that fundamental religious beliefs are archaic and should be rejected by modern society for the sake of progression of the human race.

  50. Gorgonia says:

    the only war I’d like to win is the war against bigotry and ignorance … Unfortunely, after reading about the douche bags like Cameron, it seems a war we’ll have to fight forever …

  51. Green Is Good says:

    Just admit it Kirk. You like peen.

  52. bettyrose says:

    Leo was the only thing that show ever had going for it and he was only on for like one or two sseasons.

  53. Rianic says:

    I live in NW Arkansas – just a town over from the Duggars (my friends see them at SAMs). Our state just overturned gay marriage last week. KC and the Ds are friends – I wonder if this added to his declaration

    And I’m w the others – if you keep protesting, it’s usually bc you have something to hide.

    • Renee says:

      As usual, this public homophobe pings my Gaydar big time. I remember marching with my brother, who is gay, in the Stonewall anniversary parade, and all the people with the “God hates gays” and “AIDS is God’s punishment for being gay” signs were either super-butch women or men who looked like they were in drag. I started yelling back “Just come out of the closet and get it over with,” and I wish I could describe their expressions, which were along the lines of recognition :).

  54. bettyrose says:

    He clearly has too much time on his hands and too little sense. Always a bad combo.

  55. Sam says:

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” That dude is so far in the closet he’s knocking over boxes of Christmas ornaments.

  56. Zimmer says:

    Um, I have news for you Kirk, homosexuality is biological and many other mammals exhibit such behavior so if there is a God (I believe there is), then s/he/ it created it. It is not a war you can win, because there is no war to start with. Trying to supress something does not remove it. No point as it will always be around.

    Christians have no right to judge others and must love according to scripture. I am not saying they must practice what they don’t accept, but pointing fingers, declaring war on homosexuals and doing anything other than unconditionally loving others is not following the greatest biblical message. According to the bible, it is for God to judge, not man.

  57. Patricia says:

    Hate is hate no matter how you package it.

  58. SFRowGuy says:

    Who knows how the crazy-ies come up with their ‘soapboxes’. They were looked at funny by a homeless person when they were a toddler. They got bullied by a 6’6″ girl classmate in 4th grade. The newspaper boy threw their Christian Science Monitor magazine into the rose bushes for the ‘ump-teen millionth time’ — of which it was 3, of which it was themselves, because newspaper boys don’t delivery them. Maybe, just maybe it was caused by all those ‘Chuckwagon Specials’ they got served at the high school cafeteria. Whatever was the cause, only their psycho-analyst will know … if they had one.

  59. manda says:

    ugh…. so happy with my younger self for never crushing on him during his growing pains days!

  60. Nighty says:

    I’ve been reading all the comments and I got curious about what is actually taught in Religion in schools (in my country the subject is optional and is called Moral and Religious Catholic Education). I think that the way people are brought up actually has a major toll on what we become as adults. I know some american schools and even teacher refuse to teach certain things from science. Hence I decided to check the curriculum for the subject in my country; it’s actually quite interesting all the approach towards religion (the curriculum was built by the Ministry of Education and the Catholic Church together). Main topics: life of Christ, his parents, the Bible, God, well, the normal religious things one learns. But to my surprise they also have the following topics: To have a kind heart, to be humble, bravery, solidarity, respect for other people, respect for nature and animals, science and technology (they explain both Adam and Eve as well as Darwin’s theory of Evolution, for instance), Ecology, Universal Peace, freedom, politics, economics, ethics (the relation between the former four mentioned) , other religions and the new religious movements. In this part they actually read and analyse texts from the Coran and other non-Cristian religions; The subject promotes the dialogue, acceptance and respect between the christian and non-christian religions., focusing on the fact that all religions are important…
    How is it in your countries, because in my country, tolerance towards everyone, no matter what race, religion or natural orientation one appears to be the main topic throughout the whole school, from primary until secondary…

    • Tatjana says:

      It’s similar in my country too. I wrote about it above. It does depend on the teacher, though.

  61. TG says:

    @Malificent – I agree with you 100% on your long comment on Puritinism. I refer to those people as the American Taliban. I also think of the Puritans every time somebody comments on a Kate Middleton post about the length of her skirts or the fact that the wind blows them around. Those people creep me out as well. I always get the feeling they would happily burn her at the stake for showing too much thigh based on some medieval beliefs they have.

  62. Isabelle says:

    I’ve never understood why Evangelical Christians like Cameron, believe non-beleivers should accept what they believe. Logic says, they aren’t them so why would they behave like them or not stand up to them? They hate the fact there are people out they that stand up to them and have another voice. Guess if you come from a culture of where there are hierarchies based on power, sex, and religion, makes more sense you’re astounded that someone (or the horror a group) has the audacity to speak their mind & have another opinion. As much as hate to say it, Evangelicals have the right to believe as they want and even spout out their judgement. However, it seems some don’t want that same freedom for others.

    • MourningTheDeathOfMusic says:

      This! Right here, what Isabella just said. A thousand times over.

  63. SnarkGirl says:

    There was a time when the same religious/biblical arguments were made against inter-racial marriage. Before that, religion & the Bible were used to justify slavery. We look at those times now and shake our collective heads that anyone could be so backward in their thinking & beliefs, and some time in the (hopefully) not too distant future, those who stand against LGBT rights or alternative sexualities in general will be looked upon the same way.

  64. ann valor says:

    Sad. I grew up in a very strict religious world and I’m so happy to be out of it. For those who believe it makes sense, I guess, but I found it suffocating and sad. It simply made no sense to me to read canon that said “don’t judge others” and yet exist in a culture that did NOTHING but judge others. Militancy is the only way such cultures are able to exist – how else are they able to force themselves to believe their own lies? Sad.

  65. Marianne says:

    If you don’t like gay people, fine. But how they hurting you by living their own life, I do not understand.

  66. MourningTheDeathOfMusic says:

    Really? Really??
    The astronomical level of ignorance he spewed forth….. I can’t. Honestly, I just can’t.

  67. Pepsi Presents...Coke says:

    Alliance Defending Freedom? What could that possibly mean? How does he define freedom? I don’t get it, was he ‘straight bashed’? No? Because that doesn’t exist? My head is spinning and not in the cute Exorcist way.

  68. Mrs Odie says:

    I don’t know if Kirk has ever dealt with feelings of self-loathing as a result of his homosexual desires. I’ve never asked him. What I do know is that he claims moral high ground, but I remember watching him and Alyssa Milano make out for a good two hours in the corner of a party back in 1988 or so. She sat in his lap and didn’t leave it the whole time. I know he was best buddies with a guy named Brian Peck who went to jail for “oral copulation with a child 14 or 15.” Peck (unfortunate name, I know) seemed like a nice guy, and I for one was shocked when I read the news in the paper in 2003. I remember he was buddies with DiCaprio too.

    What makes me angry is that I know that he worked on Growing Pains with several wonderful gay men and lesbian women, and he treated them well. They loved and supported him, making his career possible. I think it’s a particular betrayal, a very personal one, for him to take this stance against people who helped make him a star. What a little shit he is.

    Maybe he’s bitter that his first major girlfriend, the person who introduced him to Jesus, Leanna Creel ended up being a lesbian. There are so many gay and lesbian people who deserve better from Kirk. And from Chelsea by default. It makes me sick.

  69. LaurieH says:

    In my 50 years, I have never seen people so polarized, entrenched and close-minded (including, and often especially those who fancy themselves “open-minded”). You’ve got Group A, who objects to the beliefs of Group B and demonizes them. Then you’ve got Group B, who objects to the objections of Group A and demonizes them. We’ve become little more than a collection of pots screaming at kettles. Group A claims to love “all” people while labeling a bunch of them immoral and evil. Group B claims to be all-tolerant and all-inclusive, except when it comes to Group A. Group A excuses their hypocrisy by saying Group B is immoral. Group B excuses their hypocrisy by saying Group A is hateful. And everyone gallops around on their righteous high horses. Gee.

    • Star says:

      You summed it all up perfectly.

    • Mrs Odie says:

      I’m not saying anything about any groups, A or B (your summary was hard to follow). I’m just saying Kirk Cameron is an ass.

      • stanhope says:

        an ass that was probably used on a casting couch to get his role on Growing he just is one

    • siri says:

      Wonderful summary, just so sad. It’s US- and THEM. Probably the individual ego’s highest point in evolution. But from here, as I thankfully can see in many comments on this subject, there seems to be a new awareness, and that gives me hope. Because if so many people are well aware of these dividing forces, and uncomfortable with them, there’s a good chance of improvement. Most people, I’m sure, want to live peacefully, and happy. As long as we understand that this starts within ourselfs, and not with changing others (for what they believe, or how they live, or whom they love), we are on a good path.

  70. Hanna says:

    What a shame.

  71. skeptical says:

    i found one of my old childhood diaries.
    Turns out I was violently anti-gay.
    Turns out I am gay.
    daddy dearest was very anti-everything and believed (and still believes) himself a highly moral warrior of God.
    he doesn’t see how physically and emotionally abusive he was or is.
    I have been alone for over 12 years and now that I’m finally getting to where i think i’m ready for a relationship.. I’m old and i don’t even know where to find potential dates.

    And i keep wondering what my early life would have been like if I had never had to deal with people like Kirk Cameron.

  72. stanhope says:

    That as a “major star’ his birthday is celebrated on a laminate table that Ikea wouldn’t even sell with Subway sandwiches and a sad little cake about says it all. Who gives a shyt what Kirk Cameron says or thinks. The box office has spoken. Sad little man with a tiny pee pee needs to get a life. That said, history has shown that the most virulently anti-gay men often wind up in the tabloids found with a “wide stance” in a men’s room toilet. LOL LOL He always looked a little “fey” to me. LOL

  73. melain says:

    Kirk Cameron should really try reading the bible. Jesus didn’t make war with anyone. Saint Paul wrote: you will know they are Christians by their love. KC needs to educate himself. There is a single story of Jesus getting mad. And that was at the religious people of his day…in fact he was in front of the temple when he became angry at the church leaders. Christians aren’t at war with anyone. Not in the LGBT community, not at Kirk. Saint Paul’s words are still true.

  74. Vilodemeanus says:

    Yes he can fight it the way he has for years, one D at a time in the dark parking lots of Elysian Park. This guy is so full of it I can’t stand it, he’s been chasing men on the down low since he was one that stupid show of his. He loves talking about it as much as trying to convert one man at a time in the dark. Hateful hypocrite.