Kirk Cameron on homosexuality: “unnatural, detrimental, destructive”


Remember Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains? He’s made some minor headlines lately for denying evolution, making crappy Christian movies, and refusing to kiss any woman on screen since he’s married and that’s a sin or something. Well somehow he scored an interview on Piers Morgan, where he spewed a bunch of crap about how homosexuality is wrong and unnatural. He reminds me of that crazy chick from SNL, Victoria Jackson, who is only earning coverage for her out there politics.

In a sit-down on Piers Morgan Tonight that aired Friday, former Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron blasted gay marriage and homosexuality calling it “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

And that was just the beginning.

When the 41-year-old outspoken “born-again Christian” was asked about his thoughts on gays tying the knot, Cameron said, “Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the Garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. And I don’t think anyone else should either.”

“So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don’t.”

And when asked if he thought homosexuality was a sin, Cameron went on to say, “I think that it’s unnatural. I think that it’s detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

But, that wasn’t all.

Piers Morgan continued to discuss the topic with the father of six, asking Cameron what he would say to one of his sons if he told him he was gay.

And Cameron admitted he wouldn’t be so accepting.

“I wouldn’t say ‘That’s great, son, as long as you’re happy.’ I’m going to say, There are all sorts of issues we need to wrestle through in our life. Just because you feel one way doesn’t mean we should act on everything we feel.”

Following the interview, Cameron’s comments ignited a firestorm with gay rights groups like GLAAD, which launched a campaign against the former teen idol, encouraging its members to sign a petition against him to let him know he’s “no longer their idol.”

“In this interview, Kirk Cameron sounds even more dated than his 1980s TV character,” said Herndon Graddick, Senior Director of Programs at GLAAD.

“Cameron is out of step with a growing majority of Americans … with an increasing number of states recognizing marriage equality, Americans are seeing that marriage is about committed couples who want to make a lifelong promise to take care of and be responsible for each other and that gay and lesbian couples need equal security and legal protections. That’s not ‘redefining’ anything.”

[From E! Online]

Why did Piers Morgan even give this has-been a forum? My dad saw this story over the weekend and asked me who this guy was, and I answered that he’s a former child actor from the 80s who is best ignored. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as they’re not trying to tromp on other people’s rights, and this guy is. Kaiser reminded me that Kirk is one of those “left behind” people who believes “that all of us sinners will be left behind when Jesus comes back.” She also thinks that Kirk is talking to his fan base of Evangelicals, and that’s why he was invited on the show. Cameron starred in the Left Behind movies about the rapture, and later in 2008′s Fireproof, another Christian film by the Kendrick Brothers who put out the popular Courageous movie last year. This makes me wonder how Cameron didn’t earn a part in Courageous. They had a very low budget so maybe his salary requirements were too high.

I’ll just end with this. If you go to google Kirk Cameron one of the suggested searches is “Kirk Cameron’s Sad Birthday.” Case in point.

Here’s Kirk last month at the airport to attend the CPAC conference. Credit: Fame Flynet

 

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  1. carrie says:

    i totally disagree with him

    • Demi says:

      There is huge difference between expressing own opinions and hate speach. It was a hate speach.

    • Jeneral says:

      I disagree with pretty much everything he says, too, but I that wasn’t a hate speech. Let’s not be dramatic. He clearly believes that the bible is against homosexuality and thinks Adam and Eve were married (I don’t recall any mention of that in the bible but I could be wrong) so that’s the only way it should be.

      Marriage, for a LONG time, was a religious sacrament between a man and a woman for the purpose of having children. Yes times have changed and people are much more vocal about their outside-the-norm lifestyles, but it can be difficult to watch something that used to be so sacred be shat upon by people who get divorced 3 months later, cheat, marry 8 times, abuse their spouse, and now marry their own gender.

      There’s a fine line between “hate” and simply disagreeing with homosexuality. Personally, I don’t think marriage should be a free-for-all “right”. I think it should be much more difficult to get married and even harder to divorce. I’m sick of people pissing all over a PROMISE you make in front of your family and friends (and sometimes God) because you’re not happy anymore. With few exceptions, MAKE IT WORK.

      Kirk’s a looney, but the less people get excited about the crap he says, the better. Having the gay rights wingnuts flip out because some religious nutbar spouts off about how homosexuality is wrong — in terms of reproduction, it IS wrong — only draws more attention to him.

      • Sunny says:

        Are you seriously trying to say a same-sex marriage is shi**ing on the “sanctity” of marriage in the same way as someone who marries and divorces after few months, marries 8 times or abuses their spouse? REALLY??? So two people who love each other and want to share that commitment and be entitled to the same rights as any other person is really as bad as a man who beats his wife or a woman who marries only for money? Or the spouses who cheat on each other and tear their families apart? I cannot even believe this is a point of argument, all I can say is people used to say the EXACT same things about someone who was black marrying someone who was white. Today we call those marriages “marriages”, but not long ago there were plenty of people who thought interracial marriages would “destroy the foundations of civilization”. Today we call them bigots, racists, and total idiots.

      • Maguita says:

        @Sunny, that is not how I read @Jeneral’s words at all.

        She is saying that for all, no matter who you are or your gender, marriage should be very difficult, not easily accorded, so to preserve the sanctity of marriage. And divorce should be difficult too, so as to preserve the sanctity of marriage, and not sh-t on it and make a joke out of it.

      • daisyfly says:

        Marriage, at its basal, “traditional” level was meant as a contract between two families, either to join them to make their financial/political foundation stronger, or to pay off debts. Having children was just a consequence of the marriage.

      • flan says:

        Are you a member of Mensa?

        No?

        Then people like you shouldn’t be allowed to get married to make sure your inferior genes don’t spread. There are too many people on this planet already and it has become a problem that ones with inferior intelligence reproduce too much.

        Feels bad, eh?

        @Maguita: she grouped people who get ‘divorced 3 months later, cheat, marry 8 times, abuse their spouse, and now marry their own gender.’ together.

        Perhaps those who marry their own gender do not divorce, marry 8 times or abuse their spouse, but according to Jeneral it’s all the same and ‘shatting’ upon marriage.

        DISCLAIMER: not a member of Mensa either, just making a point.

    • Maguita says:

      I for one agree with Piers Morgan for pushing someone’s preaching to the forefront.

      Kirk has been going to campuses and submitting pamphlets about his, as well as his church’s, beliefs about creation, gay sex, marriage, and all over education. It was only right that Piers pushes him to speak up about those beliefs, even though obviously this time around, Kirk was not surrounded by his blind followers to protect him, and encourage his every word.

      That being said, Kirk seems to be stuck in the 1980′s. He hadn’t stepped foot in the real world for a while now, and realize that the stigma of gay life is not anymore. That all men and women ARE created equal, and do have equal rights in living their lives,their love lives, and hey, even serving their country, and protecting your ignorant homophobic ass. Imagine that!

      And BTW, Kirk is not a CHRISTIAN. Kirk is an Evangelical Christian. He follows a church that preaches an extremely different translation of the Bible, and has gotten as far off the trail of Christian Love and Acceptance as you can get.

      Still wonder how in 2012, grown-ass men and women, with internet access, i.e. KNOWLEDGE ACCESS, still believe that book is the word of a god, that hasn’t been misinterpreted and falsified for centuries now. It boggles the mind, how still today, you let yourself be conned into believing a hateful man wearing robes to work, preaching about some devil’s evil ways.

      • Shannon says:

        Haha, I am going to have to use that line next time someone is spewing venom over gay rights – they’re among the many protecting those homophobic as*hole’s right to free speech! I thank you for pointing that out about why Piers may have brought him on…I never thought about it before, but going around campus to campus is a fine, safe way of spreading ignorance. However, bringing it to the forefront will gain a lot more awareness as to how terrible this message is. I was bothered at first over why anyone would give this person (I can’t call him a man) a forum, but the more people see him and hear this message the fewer places he will have to hide and will eventually be seen for ignorant person he is.

      • Maguita says:

        Go right ahead @Shannon :)

        I find it disturbing people preaching about something they don’t understand. That hatred of all things science and knowledge is beyond me!

        If you believe in the existence of a higher power, or a supreme being, a creator of all things living, shouldn’t stand then, when looking through a microscope, to say with all conviction, that that supreme being was the greatest scientist ever?

        Shouldn’t it stand that your higher being has created science so that men in robes lying in its name are proven just that, through science, to be liars?

        It boggles the mind.

      • irishserra says:

        @Maguita:

        “If you believe in the existence of a higher power, or a supreme being, a creator of all things living, shouldn’t stand then, when looking through a microscope, to say with all conviction, that that supreme being was the greatest scientist ever?”

        I really liked this comment. It’s rather… poetic :)

  2. Aiobhan says:

    Why is this douchebag getting any press?

    Jesus spoke of love and respect. He did not know or seem to care about who was gay or straight. If he did not, why does this has been care?

    • DreamyK says:

      Judge not lest ye be judged. It’s not his job to sit in judgement on others. And this: there are no degrees of sin. Sin is just..sin. And Kirk sins everyday because he is human. No brownie points for being a lesser sinner, Kirk. God doesn’t roll that way, dude.

      TL;DR STFU Kirk. You’re a hypocrite.

      • Maripily says:

        I agree. It’s judgmental Christians like him that give the rest of us a bad name. Get your head out of Leviticus, Kirk, and read the rest of our Holy book.

      • Perspective says:

        Now now now, let’s back up. You said “judge not lest ye be judged,” then went right ahead and called him a hypocrite.

        The only way any progress will be made on this issue is if both sides practice tolerance and acceptance, and stop stooping to the others level of condemnation and accusations. In other words, treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. This applies even if they treat you like dirt. Turn the other cheek.

        Back to the issue, I don’t care either way. It’s none of my goddamn business what either side believes, and I don’t know why Mike Seaver thinks anybody else really gives a damn. Ignore the bastard and he can’t do anymore damage.

    • Maguita says:

      I just wanted to use your thread and remind everyone of another Born-Again Christian, Ms. Anne Rice.

      Ms. Rice, the author and creator of the Vampire Lestat, who had written contless sensual novels about men, including some heavy-duty same-sex scenes, and who later on had re-written Sleeping Beauty into a BDSM erotica novel, had become a Born-Again Christian around 1998, up until July 2010. Where she announced that she’s quitting Christianity as a matter of conscience.

      Wrote the author on Facebook:

      “For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being ‘Christian’ or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

      She followed that up with another message:

      “As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

      AMEN INDEED.

      • QQ says:

        Wowzers! I can like her again, without parenthesis!

        Also this dbag needs to watch “for the bible tells me so” with his critical thinking settings on the “On” position

      • Maguita says:

        That is the thing QQ, after trying so hard for AR to being a good Christian, she has had it with the lying, the manipulations, and the all out hatred guiding their delusions in the name of god.

        Certain churches imply encourage your “off” button on knowledge and enlightenment.

      • laylajanelovesgossip says:

        Amen Ms. Rice…

      • Jaxx says:

        I’m with Anne all the way. I believe in a personal, loving God with all my heart but when anyone asks me if I’m a Christian I hem and hah around that question. I don’t want to be associated with a group of people that thinks half the world is going to spend ETERNITY in hell because they picked the wrong religion for 70 years on earth. Much less all the other hate-filled, narrow minded propaganda Christians spout.

        I wouldn’t allow my beloved daughter to spend eternity in hell for any reason so I can’t imagine our creator’s love being any different.

        The stuff Kirk Cameron is preaching sickens me.

      • Jill says:

        Wow, I never used to like her before reading that. Good on her!

      • Maguita says:

        You guys should read up on her old books. She used to be quite anti-Christian, before recommitting as a born-again… And re-re-negating on Christianity in 2010.

        One of my favorites, that should be taught in Philosophy college classes IMHO, is Memnoch.

        It’s about Lestat who is being recruited by Memnoch the daemon, or rather Lucifer, who thinks Lestat would make a wonderful dark angel. Needing Lestat’s help in righting the errors of god, and how they can help humanity, and save it from god…

        I’ll stop here. Read it people. I read it first when I was a good Catholic. Read it passionately but with absolute horror, and learned at the end, that it is ok to question “god’s will”, and think for yourself.

  3. Zelda says:

    That “sad birthday picture”….oh my god. I am having a horrible day, and that helped immensely.

  4. Samigirl says:

    I really don’t see how in this day and age people are so damn backwards. I understand he is a Christian, but nowhere in the Bible does it say “Hate the fags,” like the Westboro Baptist Church is trying to push on everyone.

    Hating someone because they are different is dangerous, not to mention “unnatural, detrimental, and destructive.”

    My best friends are a lesbian couple. My 4 year old asked why they are always together, and I told him because they love each other like Mommy and Justin love each other. His response? “Oh, ok, may I have some grapes?” My point? There is NOTHING destructive about people being gay. If a damn 4 year old can see that there is nothing wrong with it, why can’t a grown up?!?!

    Stuff like this pisses me off. I have to end my rant before I get my bp up.

    • Lenore says:

      That is such a cute story about your son! What a perfect way to handle it, kudos.

      As for whether it’s in the Bible – well, the Bible does proscribe homosexuality. It also proscribes, among many other things, eating shellfish. I wonder if Kirk Cameron gives the same speech to his kids if they order a prawn cocktail?

      • Samigirl says:

        Thank you! Emerson is a very cool little boy :)

        The whole, “thou shall not lie with another man as a woman” Leviticus verse is sandwiched right in the middle of men not cutting their beards or hair. KC is clean shaven and has short hair. He’s VERY picky and choosy. And Lis, perfect. I was raised in a Baptist home, and even then, my parents didn’t preach hate. Some people are different. My dad knows what a big fruit fly I am and has never acted uncomfortable around the many, many gay guys I have brought home with me, lol. :)

    • Lis says:

      Here goes, from a conservative Christian:

      What kind of horrible parent wants to legally prevent people from marrying so that they themselves can avoid having to talk to their own children?

      Woooo, you might have to see openly gay/bi people at work, and the golf club and the PTA and not, like, exorcise them on the spot. You might even have to be polite. Other people might – *gasps!* – realise they’re just like everyone else…

      My rule is, if you have to demonise a group, and keep them in the gutter and behind closed doors to get your message across, they’re probably not as bad as you might think.

      Guys like KC want to have it both ways: They want to completely exclude non-hetroes from their moral code, and they want to lambast non-hetroes for, er, not living up to their moral code.

      Mind boggling, ain’t it?

      • Shannon says:

        From a very liberal agnostic, I appreciate your take on things tremendously. It just goes to show this really isn’t, at the heart of everything, a religious issue. It’s about being a decent, respectful person and not demonizing someone else for not subscribing to a certain way of life. As long as no one is being hurt (physically or psychologically) why should what someone else does matter? If I took on every person who did something I didn’t like I’d have to quit school and work!

    • sabine says:

      However, it does say in the bible to put gay people to death (Leviticus 20:13)….so, does Kirk Cameron want the deathpenalty for gay people also?

    • Blair says:

      You’re a smart person and a good mom. I agree that’s was a great way to handle that question!

      Also, I agree about the bible being full of contradictions and saying all sorts of things. Just this year Jennifer Knust, a BU university prof, wrote a book entirely about sexuality in the bible as did another writer.

      Basically, people misread the bible to use to back up ignorant belief’s like Kirk Cameron’s here. It’s really sad. The bible should be looked at as a book of questions and not answers or to back up hateful idealogies.

      “Infuriated by the dominance in the public sphere of conservative Christians who insist that the Bible incontrovertibly supports sex within the constraints of “traditional marriage,” these authors attempt to prove otherwise.”

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/02/06/what-the-bible-really-says-about-sex.html

    • Shannon says:

      That is a cute story, and a lovely way you handled it! A coworker of mine was telling me about how her son asked the requisite “where do babies come from?” question and she said she had to explain very carefully “When two people love each other they can make a baby in a lot of different ways” and went on to explain the penis and vagina, but also sometimes they adopt a baby, or they have doctors help them, or a lady might help them by carrying the baby for them…He was totally intrigued by it all, and it made me think about the old “When a man and woman love each other…” because we all know love doesn’t always have anything to do with it, and neither does heterosexuality. I don’t have kids yet, but when I do I plan on telling them the same thing!

      • Samigirl says:

        I like how your friend handled it. I got the “man and woman” speech as well. However, the “gay” issue wasn’t as out there (pun intended) when I was a kiddo as it is today. I will definitely go about it how your friend did it as well. She’s a smart lady!

      • Emily says:

        @Shannon, your coworker sounds brilliant! I wish more people would be cool like that.

      • Lee says:

        That’s amazing the way your friend explained it! I remember seeing a kickstarter recently for a guy who was raising money to help publish an illustrated children’s book about “where do babies come from” that could be used for children from all types of families – straight, gay, adopted, in vitro, surrogate, etc. Sounds very much like what your friend said.

        And @Samigirl – that’s such a cute story. It reminds me of a video that used to circulate around the web of a little boy meeting a gay couple for the first time. It was clearly just some family party and the little boy asked the two men about their relationship and they said “we’re married” and the little boy goes “so that means you love each other? Cool, I’m gonna go play tennis. You can play too if you want.” *cue heart melting* So matter of fact. Kids are awesome.

    • Betty says:

      Well you must be pissed off at God, because he is the one that doesn’t agree with homosexuality, in Romans 1;26-28 it says that it is against nature for a women to be with another women or a man to be with another man. And Corinthians 6;9-10 it says that homosexuals, adulterers, drunken people, idol worshipers ect, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Why do you you think Jesus suffer so much in the cross, he took our sins, so we could repent and be saved through him John 3;16-21. Is not Christians views is God’s views.

  5. Lis says:

    NOT ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS ARE LIKE THAT.

    Just sayin’, cuz it needs to be said.

    I completely disagree with him. I really fail to see how Teh Gheyz wanting to get married and live traditional lives will harm anyone.

    • gg says:

      Yes, correct. There are a whole LOT of modern Christians who are very forward thinking and don’t adhere to the 1950s mindset. The problem with this type of thinking is that is doesn’t account for the fact that there are a lot of gay people in this world, and they ain’t changing just because somebody has the gall to condemn them like this. So, Kirk, they exist – are you going to pretend they don’t exist and just shun them, or are you going to try and open your mind to understand your fellow man a little better, huh?

      God is Love. That is all.

      • Southern Belle says:

        Kirk said: “Just because you feel one way doesn’t mean we should act on everything we feel.”

        I think that sums up things so very well. In today’s society, it seems that it’s considered good to do whatever one feels. If it feels good, do it. And I think that’s why the idea of morality in society today is changing. Instead of things being right or wrong, good or bad, everything’s good if it makes you feel good.

      • Rubenesque says:

        @Southern Belle- Did you know that in Colonial America roughly a third of all brides were already pregnant at the time of their marriage? In the Victorian age most cities had thriving “red light” districts even though prostitution was technically illegal. The belief was that decent men would need to have an outlet for the “baser” desires they wouldn’t want to subject their wives to. It was also thought that the availability of prostitution reduced the chances that a “respectable” woman would be raped. Look at the particularly brutal time during which most of the Bible was written. The idea that we are currently in a “less moral” age than any other era in history is used as a political scare tactic. It’s a rallying cry that’s been around forever. If you read about past reform movements from the 1800′s people thought the word was going to hell in a hand basket then.

      • Rubenesque says:

        Oops! *world* not “word”

      • Lis says:

        @Rubenesque and Southern Belle:

        May I recommend this book (assuming you haven’t already read it, of course):

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/Origins-Sex-History-Sexual-Revolution/dp/1846144922

        It does seem to confirm a lot of what Rubenesque is saying. It’s in the context of the changes in the sexual mores of the British Isles from the late 16th century on.

      • Rubenesque says:

        @Lis- Thanks for the recommendation! I read some of the reviews & it looks interesting. It won’t be available in the US until May 2012, but I added it to my Amazon wish list.

      • Southern Belle says:

        Rubenesque, how does any of what you said prove that what I said was untrue – that just because something feels good doesn’t mean that it’s good, or that we should do it? I would think that what you said proves that, in fact.

        I am aware that sin has permeated society since the beginning of time. I was under no delusion that these things just started a few years ago. But in today’s society there seems to be no stigma against sin. Everything is okay and acceptable. And those who disagree with that are the ones treated hatefully.

      • Trillion says:

        Southern Belle, there are 2 main flaws with your reasoning: 1) who decides what is sin? Is it a sin to be in love with someone who is the same gender? Why? Who decided this? 2) You claim the ones treated most hatefully are the homophobes. On what planet? I know you have a computer, so I’m baffled why you’re not aware of the bullying, the suicides, the violent gay bashing that goes largely unpunished. No one is hunting down, beating up, murdering and ruining the lives of homophobes, OK?

      • flan says:

        Those who like to bully other people, like Southern Belle, are always the first to cry that they are the ones being bullied.

        They are just so used to bullying people, that they can’t imagine others not wanting to bully them.

    • Tapioca says:

      I really can’t see the gays making a bigger hash of marriage than, say, Jennifer Lopez or Kim Kardashian, so if anyone should be prevented from getting hitched it’s overhyped, talentless famewhores!

      That said, while I disagree with KC’s message I’m more than happy to live in a country in which he has the freedom to say it. And I have the freedom to call him an Backward Ass!

    • gab says:

      I am so proud of my church for declaring itself a reconciling congregation. Which means we accept people regardless of sexual orientations or gender identities. Not all religious people believe that being gay is a choice or detrimental/destructive. I believe shaming people for things that they have no choice about is wrong. Period. That is not what Christ taught.

    • EatCake says:

      @flan Congratulations! Most ignorant comment on this thread so far…like really, that made NO sense in regards to what she was actually saying :)

      @Southern Belle I agree with your first statement 100%

      • Flan says:

        She agreed with him being unsupportive of a gay son. It’s not as if gay people don’t have enough problems without fathers disapproving of them of what they are and calling them detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization. Saying that to people who are gay causes emotional distress and is a bully tactic.

        Instead of feeling sorry for him, she felt sorry for people like herself for being called out for it.

        Not so difficult after all, eh?

        Thank you for your congratulations though, here you have a passive-aggresive smiley right back from me: :)

  6. Nanea says:

    Religious extremists are detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.

    That looks better, right?

  7. inthekitchen says:

    Crawl back under your rock Kirk. No one misses you.

  8. SamiHami says:

    I disagree with KC on gay marriage. I think that if two adults choose to marry, thats their decision. It doesn’t harm my heterosexual marriage in any way so who am I to say no?

    That being said, I don’t understand the desire to “protest” him. Sure, he has extreme beliefs, but so do a lot of other people. Who cares? I see him as living his life and not really bothering anyone, so why waste time and energy “protesting him? He’s not really relevant outside of his own little circle anyway.

    It would seem that energy would be better directed at fanatical religious groups that advocate violence against non-believers.

    • bitta83 says:

      I agree with you Sami

      As a gay man I don’t agree with Kirk’s views, but I also feel like Piers pressed him and pressed him to get the ratings friendly answer he and his producers are foaming at the mouth for. This guy has beliefs which are a part of a larger worldview that he holds to very consistently. He was speaking his mind very truthfully. Everyone has known for a long time what Kirk Cameron’s politics are, and notice that he prefaced his statement by saying that he is guilty of sinning and that in God’s eyes all sin is the same. And then he spoke out against homosexual actions, not homosexuals themselves. I just feel like this “outrage” is incredibly dumb.

      • Erin says:

        Thank you, bitta83. This is such an emotional topic, and people on both sides of the issue are often hurt by hateful people. I have family members who are gay, friends I love who are gay, and it’s not easy to believe the bible is the Word of God and engage in a conversation about sin without people getting upset. I appreciate that you took the time to be both honest and kind.

      • Lee says:

        I find the “love the sinner, hate the sin” attitude to be rather condescending since the scriptures he seems to cling to demand he also be condemned for ridiculous “actions” he could theoretically avoid – like shaving, as others up-thread have pointed out. As if, oh, if only I denied myself true happiness and human connection, I too could be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. No God of mine would think that was the preferable option.

        That being said, it’s true that we all know KC’s position on this issue and goading him into talking about it so that WE can condemn HIM is no better.

        And seriously GLAAD? You want us to recant Kirk Cameron’s role as our childhood idol? Do you think KC is going to be upset that gay men (and bisexual women I suppose) are taking back their adolescent crushes on him? What a sad protest. There are larger concerns for the LGBTQ+ community than Kirk Cameron and his sad birthdays and by drawing attention to every single time someone states a personal opinion (especially when it’s one that was clearly not shared by the host of the program himself), GLAAD is only diluting their message. As a vegan lesbian, GLAAD’s tactics make me feel almost the same about them as I do about PETA – I agree with their position on the issues, but they’re making the rest of us look bad.

    • LAK says:

      Someone upthread said he goes around college campuses spreading his message, so maybe outing him [excuse the pun] in this instance is the right thing to do.

      • bitta83 says:

        hey LAK,

        Honestly I can only go by what he says in this clip. I would be willing to guess that there is a lot more to his worldview than being anti-gay, some good and some bad. He has a right to answer a very direct question about his beliefs in a very direct manner. And again I felt like he was talking about homosexual behavior, not necessarily homosexuals. Just watching the clip, it’s very clear that he didn’t want to talk about the topic, and that he knew the effect it would have in the media.

    • Trillion says:

      Not bothering anyone? He’s bothering all gays and justifying the bashing, the bullying, the violence against them by going out of his way – indeed, making a life project out of it – to denounce them as all as dangerous deviants. Unprovoked, I might add. He deserves to be renounced and we deserve to be heard. Reminds me of preachers going on and on against blacks before the civil rights movement.

      • bitta83 says:

        Hi Trillion,

        You know I’m much more bothered by Simon Cowell teasing Ryan Seacrest about his “gayness” and then seeing it repeated on this website and on late night talk shows. In my opinion that does much more harm culturally than someone who respectfully answers a question honestly because. Having been bullied because of my sexuality in the past, I can much more clearly see the connection between “harmless” jokes about someone’s manhood ala his sexuality and severe hate crimes than this clip where Cameron is calmly talking about homsexual actions, not identities. He is allowed his opinions as long as he doesn’t mock or question my value as a human being directly.

    • flan says:

      The difference is that people with such beliefs want to force them on others. He doesn’t say he does not want to marry a man, but that others shouldn’t either.

      If he talked about how he, according to his beliefs, enjoyed painting himself green and run through forests that would be fine with me. If he did not want to drink wine? Fine. If he did not want to eat pork? Sure.

      But why do some religious people so often feel the need to make OTHERS unhappy?

      Because they want to feel better than others and that’s the only way they know how.

  9. msshuffleupagus says:

    Kirk shouldn’t have been so proud to share his backwards beliefs on homosexuality, it comes back to bite him….everybody check out the most recent solved items on blindgossip.

  10. Cody says:

    The guy is very naive. I am not quite sure why this d-list celeb gets his own forum, for an evening, on CNN.

  11. mel says:

    I cannot believe he is getting press for such outdated statements. I’m a christian…my friends are christians and no one cares about homosexuality. To each their own.

  12. Nev says:

    yawn.

    complete dinosaur belief and way of thinking.

    sorry, it won’t hold up within 3-5 years…the minds of smart and realistic folks and time itself is moving FORWARD non-stop!!!!!!!!!!

  13. anytime says:

    oh stfu crazy idiot. some people are gay, get over it. to each their own. and stop imposing your beliefs on others. what is the world coming to? is it me or are religious zealots far more common than they used to be?

  14. gekkca says:

    Head on over to Blind Gossip. They’ve got two blinds that were solved yesterday and they are both about him…I always am suspicious of those who are so vocal about these things.

  15. Ohsnappiranhas says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

    There you go, people. It doesn’t get more ‘natural’ than nature, does it?

    • Lis says:

      Who cares if it’s nature or nurture, or any combination thereof?

      If everyone could choose their race, that would not justify slavery and Jim Crow.

      Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but I think you’re on the wrong track by claiming “but they can’t heeeellllpppp it!!!”

      A better way would be to look him straight in the eye and say:

      “Yeah, maybe people can change their orientation. Maybe it is only found in humans.

      “So.

      “Freaking.

      “What?”

      At which point he’d start babbling about (1) the Bible and (2) how he finds it gross.

      Both of which make him easy pickings. Let’s not play the homophobes’ game here.

  16. No Sensei says:

    Define ‘natural’.

    Also no smoke without fire, as per our wonderful former Miss World…

  17. Sara says:

    He is totally entitled to this opinion.
    Most Christians take his same view as in the bible it is considered an abomination of God. I don’t agree with him but I do think people have the right to think homosexuality is a sin and shout it from the rooftops if they want. Just like a person that is gay can shout from the rooftops they love being gay. We have to be careful of silencing one group if favor of giving voice to another. We are all entitled to freedom of speech, religion, and pursuit of happiness.

    • cr says:

      Ah, but freedom of speech does come with consequences, so if he says something like homosexuality is destructive, he’s going to get called on it.
      Freedom of speech is a two way street and calling him out for being a twit isn’t oppressing his freedom of speech in anyway.

    • msshuffleupagus says:

      Honestly, I hate when people come up with this argument. No one is trying to “silence” his beliefs, we are just displaying our outrage and disgust as a response. A right of ours, I believe.

    • cr says:

      Ok clarified now. Of course, the reality is we should probably just ignore him.

    • Lis says:

      “Most Christians take his same view as in the bible it is considered an abomination of God.”

      What?

      Wait, what?

      The Bible is open to interpretation and debate. I don’t think it says that at all. (And I read it once a year.)

      Most of the Christians I know don’t think that way. It’s just that the bigots are so very, very vocal – partly out of defensiveness.

      • Jeneral says:

        Don’t be silly, of course the bible says that homosexuality is wrong and a sin, etc., multiple times. Let’s not negate that fact.

        The bible also says a bunch of other ridiculous nonsense that should be at the very least dismissed as outdated and unnecessary.

      • Sara says:

        I am not sure what bible you are reading but here a some quotes from the bible that do speak to the subject
        Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

        Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”

        1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

        Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

        This is why gay Christians find themsleves in a tough spot. It must be very difficult for them as most Christians do believe that being gay is a sin. This doesn’t mean that we as people have any right to judge/hate any one for anything.

      • JD says:

        @ Sara After reading your post, I guess I won’t be getting into the Kingdom of Heaven…LOL!

      • Jaxx says:

        Yes, those verses are in the OLD Testament, but were to be updated by the new vision of Jesus in which he said:

        Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

        Judge not, lest ye be judged.

        Love your enemies, and pray for them.

        AND finally,

        Love one another as you have been loved.

        But most important: That his blood has washed us all clean, no more to be called sinners, but the redeemed.

        Sorry I don’t know the verses.

    • flan says:

      The difference is, when two gay people shout that, is that they talk about themselves.

      When others say they don’t want them to marry, they talk about OTHERS and judge them.

  18. gee says:

    I completely, 100% disagree with Kirk Cameron.

    That being said, did Piers Morgan follow up on Cameron’s outrageous statement? There is so much potential for insight on this thought process. Like, wouldn’t it be amazing to stump a bigot. People who make these kind of absolute statements can never wholly support their arguments. WHY do you think this way? WHY is it detrimental to society? WHY is this something you chose to believe from the Bible but have no problem with other things the Good Book clearly states as ‘wrong?’

  19. dena says:

    Homophobia is so weird to me.

  20. Ravensdaughter says:

    Does he still have a career in entertainment? Well, he doesn’t have one now.
    The fact that all these religious extremists are crawling out of the woodwork right now really disturbs me. I think President Obama and anyone who is prominent in the Women’s Health or Gay Rights movement is in danger of bodily harm. When any person believes that God (Allah, etc) is on his/her side, they can do anything-positive or negative-look at all the civil rights leaders who have lost their lives because their view or “lifestyle” was just “against God’s teachings”.

  21. bettyrose says:

    Didn’t Leonardo DiCaprio get his start on Growing Pains in the show’s final season as some wayward kid that Kirk Cameron’s adult character was mentoring?

    Now, remind me which one of those two is still relevant?

  22. marybeth18 says:

    Apparently he got religion during the middle of filming “Growing Pains” and became a major pain to the production. He started vetoing lines, plots, etc. as not being in line with his personal beliefs. Which, hey, we all make a stand somewhere with what we believe in. But when you’ve signed a contract to perform work, and then you make it really hard for that work to be done, it’s not the best attribute. Which is probably why they brought in Leo DiCaprio.

  23. Mitch Buchanan Rocks says:

    I’d like to see an interview with Kirk Cameron and Chelsea Handler.

  24. Hahahaha says:

    He has the right to his opinion. And I have the right to think he’s a douche and boycott any movie he is in and any advertisers that support them. Freedom of speech isn’t free….

  25. Stacy Dresden says:

    Oh really, Kirk Cameron, you crazy fool? Your hate speech is detrimental and destructive. What’s unnatural is obsessing over what other grown adults do in the bedroom & share your opinions and feelings about it in the national media!

    • the cheetah says:

      I don’t believe fundementalists should have legal polygamy. Is that hate speech? He is expressing his beliefs calmly and politely. He is entitled to that as an american. So please do not exaggerate because it hurts the fight against real hate speech cases

    • Emily says:

      Stacy, I completely agree. Fundamentalists and other groups who hate gay people seem to spend way more time thinking about what gays do in our bedrooms than we do ourselves. It’s very, very weird. Why would you want to think about what people get up to in the bedroom, unless you were into it?

  26. Rainbow says:

    Why is it the ‘born again’s are the most loonie?

  27. HadleyB says:

    I disagree with him.

    But I don’t hate him for his opinion or beliefs and neither would Jesus/God.

  28. ohiogirl says:

    I am a Christian and I totally disagree with him, and most of my Christian friends do as well. I do not think homosexuality is wrong. I do not think it’s fair that everyone cannot get married. I am married and I understand the special bond and the desire to make things permanent and legal. I also think he has a right to voice his opinions, as hateful as they may be. I’m sure that to him, he thinks he is doing something helpful by making these statements. I just wish gay marriage can be legal already in the whole country!

    • cr says:

      In 2004 this proposed amendment passed easily in Ohio:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/page/296376/
      I don’t think it would pass today, or at least not by that wide of a margin. There are people at work who I know voted for it and they have realized that it didn’t ‘stop’ anything, and perhaps also worried there are other things in life to worry about. Yes, they may think that gay people are ‘icky’ but they’re really more concerned about getting a job or keeping a job, things like that.

    • Esperanza Spalding says:

      Christian? Don’t use that word to describe yourself if you do not obey God’s word or twist the bible to fit your views of socialism.

      It is stately loud and clear in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination in God’s sight. They have rejected God words, Jesus Christ and will not make it to Heaven.

      Homosexuality is absolutely, without a doubt, WRONG! I agree with Cameron all the way

      • Asli says:

        Well, the Bible also say that you shouldn’t judge and Jesus taught tolerance. So you are WRONG.

        On another note, you have absolutely NO right to determine whether Ohiogirl is Christian or not. If you want to go back to a time where women had no rights, and slaves were commen then go ahead. Christianity (religions in general) could use more non-judgemental people like Ohiogirl.

      • ohiogirl says:

        Esperanza, I hope you are being sarcastic. People who are SOOO against homosexuality like to act like it’s this ultimate sin meanwhile they engage in ALL manner of other sins that somehow they manage to excuse. And yes, I am a Christian and humans have no way to know what’s truly in my heart or the hearts of anyone no matter the sexual orientation. Would it shock you if a gay person went to heaven? Would you reject someone who God accepts?

      • flan says:

        Since you’re at it: Go outside and make sure every man there will never shave again. Messing with beards is a sin too, according to the Bible.

        Have fun with that!

  29. lucy2 says:

    I feel sorry for him. He seems naive, uninformed, and angry. I’ve never understood that – being “born again” he should be happy, thankful, and loving. He seems the opposite. That’s a sad way to live life, IMO.

    • Kimbob says:

      Hey @lucy2! There are blinds about him. I’ve commented above on this thread. I wish I could provide a link, but suffice it to say he’s a closet case.

      There seems to be a lot of these “closet cases” out there (actors, politicians, religious leaders) who when, the louder & more frequently they rail about this issue, the more I suspect they are, in fact, closet cases. It seems their thinking is greatly distorted, thinking the louder they speak against such….well, I think they’re trying TO CONVINCE THEMSELVES.

    • Delta Juliet says:

      I’ve never met a born-again that behaves the way you describe. In fact, I’ve met quite a few of them, and they were generally the most judgemental, selfish, rude people I’ve had the misfortune of knowing. Not saying they all are! But the ones I have met, yeah.

      • ohiogirl says:

        In my experience, I have known more truly wonderful people who became Christians as adults than I have met terrible ones. Yes, I have met terrible ones, myself included! One of the reasons I searched out Christianity was because I knew I wasn’t the nicest person and wanted to work on that. It has been a slow process but I think I’ve gotten better. BUT I will say that I have never acted how many pompous Christians do, like they just have it all figured out, and they know all the answers, and they are just so right about life and theology. These are the ones more likely to push their faith on other people. The opposite is like my husband, who doesn’t purposefully share his faith with those around him but people just love him and want to see what it’s about.

  30. Kaboom says:

    Piers should have a Nazi on sometime. I hear they also have interesting ideas on how society should be.

  31. MissilePanda says:

    My gaydar went off when I saw his pics

  32. Bubulle says:

    I always been suspicious of his sudden conversion, I mean until he was 17 this teenage boy with the world at his feet was an atheist and all of sudden he decided to become not just a christian but a christian fundamentalist, that’s kind of radical what was his motivation ? It kind of reminds me of Tom Cruise and the scientology. Me think he felt guilty about something and becoming a fundamentalist help him to cope with his guilt.

  33. fabgrrl says:

    Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, eh, Piers?

  34. sarah says:

    I do in fact think that homosexuality is unnatural (please, don’t get started on gay-elephants found in Africa because every zoologist will tell you that homosexuality is the way of nature to prevent flawed species from reproduction and it’s even more offensive)but so is oral sex, for example. Lots of unnatural things are common these days and it’s fine. And if one does judge person for being gay – that’s stupid. You can’t judge person for what can’t be changed

    • Kate #2 says:

      Yeah, I mean, living past middle age is pretty unnatural. Planes are pretty unnatural. The internet, not dying in childbirth because you can have a section, vaccination is all unnatural.

      There’s a worm that can only exist by burrowing through human bodies. Eyeballs, breasts, whatever; they don’t care. That’s totally natural. Volcanoes, typhoid, hurricanes and tsunamis are all natural.

      Why people always equate natural with good is beyond me.

      Having said that, I think sexuality is natural. I think most people are on a spectrum, and I doubt that it’s unnatural to be gay, for the simple reason that most gay people suffer so horribly in adolescence that if they could be straight I think they probably would.

      My cousin and her wife have been together almost 20 years. They’re really decent, committed people and great parents. I don’t get why anyone would have an issue.

    • Jeneral says:

      Precisely. Lots of things are unnatural, but they still happen. Autism is unnatural. Being blind is unnatural. Mostly everything that is not a prime, fully functional example of a human being is unnatural and detrimental (and probably destructive in its own way). I don’t disagree with him on that at all. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to engage in some f*cked up kinky shit with my husband or wish my stupid ears worked better than they do, because it’s “unnatural”. Embrace the weirdness of life, it’d be pretty boring without it.

  35. The Truth Fairy says:

    The worst part?! KIRK IS GAY!!!!!!! Or at least bisexual.

    http://blindgossip.com/?p=39111#more-39111

    • dean travers says:

      Actually, that’s the best part. There is no reason on earth to have these views unless you have something to hide. Alas, Seaver…you have zero appeal to any sexual creature at all..been a long time since Growing Pains you bitch. Mayhap you would have benefited from a real education and the sage advice of your psych pops…but for now? Left Behind indeed! Dude,at this point gnarly little Ben Seaver is a goddamn prize compared to you! And you killed Boner! Somehow, I know it was you….

  36. Boo says:

    I always thought everyone knew he was a closeted, frustrated gay man who is hiding behind his militant Christianity.

    What Would Jesus Do? Smack the sh-t out of this ahole.

  37. Nina says:

    When successful celebrities like Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Miley Cyrus, and Dakota Fanning are speaking out in support of gay rights, why are people getting so hung up on the comments from one nutty has-been who hasn’t been relevant in 25 years, and never will be again? Kirk Cameron’s comments are archaic and stupid, but I seriously doubt that they’ll stand in the way of the progress America is making with regards to gay rights.

  38. sabine says:

    This is why i think the Bible is dangerous (when misused by nutjobs)….because it clearly states to put all sorts of people to death, including gays, non-virgins, non-believers, unruly children etc….
    Or at the very least have no tolerance.
    These uber-christians hide behind religion and use it to justify their bigotry as if that’s alright because they read it in the bible afterall.

  39. fabgrrl says:

    Meh, can’t really bring myself to care. Who the h*ll wants to hear from Kirk Cameron? Everyone knows he is a “religious” whack-job and an as*hole. He’s an actor, and not a famous or well-regarded one. (Which is a shame, because I thought he was very talented, charismatic and handsome back in the 80s.) He pissed away his career and just lives off the oodles of money he made back before he became insufferable.

    So I don’t really care when he yammers on. He doesn’t have any influence. I’ll start to worry when I hear something from a homophobe who is articulate, intelligent and in a position of authority.

  40. Amanda says:

    Sure, he has a right to say it. Sure, it’s his opinion. Doesn’t mean we have to respect it. He’s the one going around running his mouth, it’s not like people are getting mad about his private beliefs.

  41. bambilee23@yahoo.com says:

    I love the Adam and Eve comment.. Err.. How did Adam and Eve poplulate the earth? Their kids had to have sex? Nice! There are so many stories in the Bible about messed up marriages/polygamy/daughters sleeping with fathers. Yet still it’s used to “defend” marriage.

  42. jc126 says:

    Unnatural, detrimental, destructive – that’s what I think fundamentalist beliefs and blind adherence to Bronze Age-era texts full of violence and misogyny are.

  43. Me says:

    Here’s the deal.

    In this day and age marriage is a spiritual contract and a legal contract. Of course you will have people with religious affiliations disagreeing with gay marriage because a lot of denominations do not recognise gay marriage. They dont have to!

    Should gay people be able to marry? You betcha, without a doubt. I fullheartedly support the legalization of gay marriages but what I do not support is forcing any religious denomination to accept it. There are other churches or nonreligious places where gay marriage is acceptable.

    I just hope one day gay marriage is a choice one can make and that s/he will have a church/courthouse in which to do so.

    One can believe in God and in gay marriage. Dont lose focus people!

  44. madpoe says:

    he must be talking about his acting.

  45. Bobby the K says:

    People create god in their own image.

  46. tinker says:

    Lets see if I have this right? It is ok to call him a whack job because he is a person of faith to trash him to the moon and back because if he audacity to follow his religion.I bet he also doesn’t believe in sex before marriage and all those things. He answered a question. He did no trashing. There will never be a day when everyone is on the same page.
    If you are a reason of faith you follow said religions teachings. If you are not their is no need to.But you must see that you cannot speak for everyone. And he was speaking for himself. That is what this country allows. And no PC movement will make a dent in people’s opinions. You should know better and defend his right to free speech.

  47. RhymesWithSilver says:

    LOL @ Marriage = “almost as old as dirt”!

    Eloquent eloquence!

    Although, I suppose since earth was created on the first day (?) and Adam and Eve on the sixth, and Adam and Eve were automatically married by Kirk’s interpretation, by Kirk’s math marriage is exactly five days less old than dirt.

  48. Tazina says:

    I wouldn’t believe anything this gayface says. Talking trash about the gays won’t make him any less so. Time to come out of the closet, Kirk!

  49. nina says:

    I’m sorry, but who gives a flying shit what Mike Seaver thinks?

    I”m not going to bash religion about this, religion is simply a tool that can be used for ill or good. It all depends on how you use it, and what you emphasize.

    And I’m not going to bash Christianity, because nowhere does Christ take a stand on homosexuality-only on the sanctity of marriage.

    So let’s not make this a “religion is bad” argument, but why do people make certain creeds out of theire religion where their own canon doesn’t take a stand? This is more about tradition cloaked in religious rhetoric more than anything.

  50. HappyJoyJoy says:

    This isn’ hate speech. It’s just outdated, idiotic, uninformed, bigotry enticing speech. It is people who promote such that lead others into hate. GAY IS NOT A DISEASE But then again this guy doesn’t believe in evolution or dinosaurs. I just want to seriously ask him if Adam And Eve started it all, where do black people & fossils come from? lol

  51. Southern Belle says:

    Lots of folks keep talking about how “out of touch” Kirk is and about how he hasn’t been in the “real world” in a long time. Obviously they know nothing about him except that he was in Growing Pains and the Left Behind movies. Just because he isn’t in front of a camera constantly doesn’t mean that he’s a “has been” or that he doesn’t know what’s going on. There are plenty of other careers out there besides “actor.” He has a very successful ministry. He has a very successful and long marriage. He is not afraid to say what he believes, and does so in a respectful nice way. I see no hate coming FROM Kirk. The hate is directed toward him – and it’s based solely on his beliefs by folks who preach (for lack of a better word) tolerance – tolerance for all lifestyles and all words and all actions, as long as they are not Christian and as long as they pass the political correctness test.

    • Tiffany says:

      Maybe if he called you and your family “unnatural”, “detrimental”, and “distructive” you would see his statements as being more hateful.

      It isn’t just the phrasing of words that can be hateful, it can also be the content.

      • Southern Belle says:

        He didn’t call any person, or any family, detrimental, or destructive. He was speaking of actions. He attacked no one, but is being attacked for voicing his belief. And the ironic part is that most of the attacks are coming from folks who pretend to believe in and preach tolerance. I guess tolerance anc acceptance only works one way…

        Look at the comments here. Who is being most hateful: The posters who support Kirk, or the posters who don’t?

      • Tiffany says:

        You can argue semantics all you want, but at the end of the day he DID call members of the LBGT community unnnatural and destructive. It is like saying all Republicans are fools, and then trying to justify it by saying they are only foolish when they go into the voting booth.

        He is not getting attacked any more than he is attacking other people’s lifestyles. I am not in the LBGT community myself, but I can see when others are clearly attacking them.

      • Southern Belle says:

        He was asked a question. He answered that question truthfully. He spoke only of actions, and condemned no one. If you see it otherwise then perhaps your own biases are skewing your perceptions of what he said.

    • Ruffian9 says:

      Well argued, Tiffany.

      Southern Belle, he calls the actions and lives of people I know and love ‘detrimental and destructive’. He’s flat out wrong.

      You can bet your ass I’m going to be hateful of people who wish to deny the basic rights of someone else. I don’t care why they want to deny those rights. We all have belief systems that we live our lives by. Mine says you do NOT discriminate based on sexual orientation, gender, or the colour of skin. No one loses when equal rights are granted to all.

      /rant.

    • Trillion says:

      So if I speak out against a racist bigot who thinks black people are sinners, I’m intolerant because I don’t accept their racism? That’s ridiculous right? How is this any different? Your position, again, is flawed. You don’t understand tolerance in this context.

  52. chloew says:

    cant wait for some guy to come out of the woodwork with pic’s of the 2 of them “together”

    it’s only a matter of time folks!!

  53. hoganbcmj says:

    He is totally giving me a gay vibe in those suitcase pics.

  54. Sunny says:

    First, I would like to read where God signed his name in the bible as having been the author of such statements. GOD didn’t write anything, carefully selected men did, and I say that because there were many people left out of the bible for various reasons. Aside from more recent speculation there there may be letters written by Jesus, I don’t understand how people can even say “Jesus says”. No, again someone else is saying he did.

    Since he’s so anti-gay, I wonder what he thinks about round haircuts, laying with a pastors daughter (which is punishable by death for the woman) and the long list of other crimes I’m sure he commits every day. Why do people like him think it’s ok to pick and choose what they want from the bible? If you’re going to harp on one thing, you sure as hell better harp on everything else – including that whole being non-judgmental thing. I have several friends who are Christian and, because their faith and church instilled it in them, are very accepting and take the attitude of if no one is being hurt, what does it matter? I wish more Christians (and other people alike) took that attitude.

  55. Asli says:

    Stay OUT of other people’s bedrooms!!! Damn. Why do these people need to dictate what other people should do? There is no reason. And if that’s their faith and they believe that gay people will go to hell then fine, believe that. As long as you yourself know that you have your spot in Heaven why does it bother you what other people are doing? I know I’ve been told a million times that I was going to rot in Hell because of my skin color etc. but that’s fine for them to believe. I know who I am and I don’t care what anyone else think. People who feel the need to tell other people what they can and can’t do always puzzle me. Take a leaf out of normal people’s book, you crazy fanatics!

    • Pia says:

      I agree with you Asli about people staying out of other people’s bedrooms! I feel that many homophobes that use the “it’s threatening traditional marriage” tactic are only making excuses for themselves. It would be far too convenient to actually SEE that a healthy gay relationship is NO different than a straight one except for the mechanics in the bedroom. Sometimes I really think it boils down to insecure people feeling uncomfortable about their own interpretation of what goes on between two gay folks in bed. It feels wrong to them so it is clearly wrong for everybody!!

      Edit: and it’s CRAZY to me that in this day and age someone would tell you that you are going to rot in hell for your skin color!! I am glad you are smart enough to not let those nuts get to you!! I personally feel that we are all worm food after we die and nothing more, but I certainly don’t go around forcing it on people!!

      • Asli says:

        I know. I honestly don’t feel like there is a real reason that these zealots are so against gay marriage other than making life miserable for gay people. There really isn’t. If their faith says that homosexuality is a sin, okay, keep that thought to yourself. I don’t go around tellíng people that there is no Heaven just because that’s what I believe. We humans really like to make life a living hell for anyone that doesn’t conform. Depressing.

        As for gay marriage being against the sanctity of marriage – In ancient Rome homosexuality was quite common. Someone on this thread say something like: What about the thousands of years people were getting marriede BEFORE Jesus was born and Christianity existed. Apparently that didn’t count. You can’t just pick and choose and then leave out what you don’t want because it’s ”dated”. In my opinion the part about homosexsuality is dated. It was written more than two thousand years ago, different times. We don’t kill people for stealing anymore either. Why? Because we have EVOLVED – why can’t some people get that?

      • Asli says:

        Hah – I just found the comment and it was yours :P

        As for the skin color part. Yeah, people are crazy. I once tried to help one elderly lady stand after she fell down pretty hard on the sidewalk and she was like: ”Don’t touch me! I’ll burn in Hell!” – followed by racial slurs. Bleh, it was so awkward. We attracted a crowd. Hey, I can live with myself knowing that I tried to help someone, it’s the effort that counts. Dunno about that lady.

    • Lisa says:

      It’s not like he went on the interview and started talking about gay people and how bad he thought they lived or were. Or that his main focus was to talk about gays and how to “dictate” their lives. He was asked a question and said what he thought about it. He can’t please everyone with his answer. Not everyone accepts homosexuality and not everyone disagrees or thinks it wrong. I doubt he came on the interview thinking “I hope he asks me about homosexuality so I can trash them and reserve my golden spot in heaven.”

      But on the other hand; Sorry to hear about your racism experience. Not cool for anyone.

      • Asli says:

        Yeah, but instead of calling it unnatural, detrimental and destructive he could have said: ”I don’t condone homosexsuality but at the same time it’s none of my business what other people do in their bedrooms. That’s their perogative.” What he said was demeaning and dehumanizing.

        And thanks, I’ve had worse though.

    • Jeneral says:

      It’s pretty hard to stay out of people’s bedrooms when they are screaming about their sexual lives at the top of their lungs. Obviously that’s not everyone, but I abhor flamboyant overtly sexual in-your-face gays who NEVER shut up about their personal lives. They are just so PROUD of how FABULOUS they are, and it all boils down to LOOK AT ME! I’M GAY AND AMAZING!

      Now, I dislike straights who do the same thing, and I would tell them the same thing — SHUT UP and keep your business to yourself.

      It’s hard to not have an opinion about something that is constantly being shoved in your face by all forms of media. And god help you it the opinion you form isn’t what the homosexuals want to hear, you’re a terrible person and should be quiet and go away.

      • Asli says:

        My problem is when ”Christians” deny fellow human beings the same rights they have. If you don’t like the ”mind your own damn business”-argument then how about that discriminating against gays is against the Constitution? That’s why State and Church is separated.

        As for homosexuality constantly being shoved in your face – is heterosexuality not constantly shoved in our faces too? In commercials, movies, magazines. Name one movie starring/about a homosexual couple falling in love and living happily ever after.

        Didn’t think so.

      • Jeneral says:

        @Asli, I don’t think you actually read my comments through. I quite plainly stated that I don’t like seeing ANYONE’S sexual business pushed in my face, gay, straight, or in between. I don’t CARE about who makes movies about what, that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

        YOU made the statement “stay out of other people’s bedrooms!”, — anyone who loudly displays the goings-on in their bedroom in public nullifies that argument. You don’t get it both ways, telling everyone who will listen about your sexual endeavours and then demanding privacy.

  56. Tiffany says:

    In Loving V. Virginia, the Supreme Court ruled that marriage is a “fundamental RIGHT of man” and that it can not be infringed upon by any state.

    There is no legal basis to deny citizens equal rights. Cameron is entitled to his opinions, but he is not in line with the Constitution.

  57. Rita says:

    I like Kirk because he’s a nice guy and in particularly because he has strong values about not kissing a woman other than his wife. It’s not that he’s a saint but I do like a man with strong values.

    What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did about homosexuals. His opinions do not give voice to a reconcilliation of the argument. He said nothing productive.

    The tide is definitely shifting to recognizing homosexual rights as guaranteed to all Americans in the constitution. The dialogue now has to be one of moving the issue along to one of civilized acceptance without the retoric of discourse.

  58. Newtsgal says:

    My gay told me that “the ones who protest the loudest are the ones that are the gayest of them all”
    I didn’t know what to make of this statement so I decided to sit back and observe the locals in my tiny town. And this isn’t a snap judgement… but, he was soooooo right!
    And the ones who did protest the loudest, we’re the ones who would never even give my gay the time of day at the local store and constantly bashin’ him to others, were the ones sneakin’ over to my gays house for a little pickle tickle on Friday/Saturday night and come Sunday, they were sittin front row at the church.
    Personally, I couldn’t give a rats ass what someone does in the privacy of their own/my gays home. And yes everyone is entitled to their beliefs/ opinions. I just have a hard time with someone telling me if I don’t live my life according to what THEY believe, that somehow I’m a bad person.
    You live your life the way you want too and I’ll do the same.

    BTW- Kirk has got to be the biggest sausage smokin’, showtune singin’ gay out there. I feel sorry for him, he doesn’t have any elbow room in his closet.

  59. jill says:

    Leave Kirk alone ! He has the right to not belive in homosexuality, And he should not be attack by gays and gay support on this board.

    Pot meet Kettel.

    • Trillion says:

      Seriously? He should not be “attacked” by people he judges “unnatural and dangerous”? What did gay people ever do to him? He’s provoking these responses. Gay bashing? Bullying? He’s out there aggressively justifying it. Not only does he deserve to be fired back upon, we deserve to express our opinions too. And how exactly is this a case of “pot meeting kettle”? That is a false equivalence. Look it up.

    • original sandy says:

      Jill, i agree with everything you said, kirk is a sweet guy with a lot of supporters, he is not a bad person for his beliefs, believe me he is not alone, but kirk was not picking on anyone, he is not gay, those are his opinion/beliefs just like you have yours, he was asked a question and he answered it. why the hate? everyone is entitled to their opinion. right?

    • Ruffian9 says:

      He has the right to believe that the earth is flat, is 6000 years old, and that women sprung from the rib of man. Doesn’t make him right. Or intelligent.

  60. Jill says:

    Can somebody help me out with this? Why do evangelicals think they are the only people who have the right to call themselves Christians?

    Christianity is a very wide tent embracing several branches of Catholicism, Greek and Russian Orthodoxy, and a bajillion varieties of Protestantism.

    And a lot of these so-called Christians don’t sound or act very Christian, IMO.

    (P.S. It looks like there are two Jills posting on here. The one above has nothing to do with me.)

    • Pia says:

      Because their interpretation of Christianity and the Bible is the only RIGHT way to do it. According to them that is… I find it extremely ironic that a supposed religion of love and acceptance has split off into so many sub-categories that do not agree with each other. The whole Protestant vs. Catholic thing certainly comes to mind. Can’t they all just agree that Jesus is Lord and get over themselves? No, that would be too easy!!!

  61. skuddles says:

    Say, wasn’t there a blind item about him a while back… something to do with him having a fling with some guy?? I’ll have to look it up. In any case, what a douche… using religion to justify his homophobia (which is most likely just a cover for his own gay tendencies).

    • skuddles says:

      For what it’s worth, here is the blind item that is alleged to be about Cameron:

      There is an area in Griffith Park where you can take the kiddies for a train ride. A certain actor used to enjoy taking men for another kind of ride in the same area. He would cruise the park, pick up a guy, and then hook up with them in his car. The really ironic thing here is that the actor is so religious that when he was a teen heartthrob (a couple of decades ago) he used to insist that any dialogue that was even the slightest bit sexual or profane be removed from his lines because they violated his sense of decency. He’s all grown up now, but we’re sure his wife really appreciates what a moral man she married.
      REVEAL: Kirk Cameron

  62. Deb says:

    How do you argue that homosexuality, which is found among roughly 1500 species in percentages comparable to human percentages, is unnatural?

    • jc126 says:

      What! Don’t insert those pesky scientific facts into the discussion, Kirk says the Bible condemns it! Also something about bananas being designed for us to snack on b/c of their handy peels. Lol.

    • Jeneral says:

      There’s a lot of unnatural behaviour and characteristics found among animals and humans alike — that doesn’t make it anymore regular and normal just because it exists. You can find albinos in just about every species, but is that a perfectly normal thing? No. It’s unnatural and abnormal. Its mere presence doesn’t normalize it. That’s a silly argument to try to make.

  63. Skinnybetch says:

    Religion makes people crazy! That’s why I stay far away from church.

    • Elizabeth says:

      My church has snacks (cakes, cookis, crackers, etc) with coffee (juice) after church services. And there are monthly luncheons (tons of food). So if you want to stay a “skinny” betch, ours is good church to avoid :) Just giving you fair warning!

  64. Nonny says:

    The man is entitled to his beliefs and opinions. He was asked about them, what do you want him to do? Lie?

  65. BK says:

    I may not agree with his value system, but I still find it easy to respect his stance.

    He is not a fanatic, but is a deeply religious man with very strong, established beliefs. He is Entitled to those beliefs.

    If he feels that gay marriage is contrary to the foundation of his faith, why can’t we just respectfully disagree?

    He is not advocating punishment against gays. He doesn’t want them thrown in jail and forcefed a bunch of populist dogma. He is not advocating violence against gays, nor is he advocating that they be denied basic human rights.

    It seems he would prefer that they come around to his point of view, but that is common for many people, regardless of subject.

    He seems a thoughtful, well reasoned man within the limitations of his faith. If he is willing to respectfully disagree, why can’t we?

    • Pia says:

      I totally understand what you are saying, and he is free to feel the way he does. What troubled me is the comments he made about if his own son turned out to be gay. He essentially would be denying him the basic human right of happiness, by telling him to not act on what felt right to him. Kirk is free to apply his views on himself, but to basically admit he’d rather have his son pretend to be straight instead of happy is pretty sad. When it comes to his own son, he crosses the line of “respectfully disagreeing”. Everyone has the right to guide their children in the right direction, but I don’t see how it is ok to stand in the way of your offspring’s sexual orientation just because you disagree with it.

      • BK says:

        With his own son, it is bound to be different, because in part the child was raised from the beginning in that system of faith.

        I don’t think he was able to give a full and complete answer – I fault Morgan on that. He should have let Cameron finish and then ask the question “What, even with all of that, he still professed to be Gay and maintained that through the age of majority?” Then we would be able to see what Cameron would have said.

        I don’t want to jump to conclusions (which many people seem to be doing) and try to extend small statements taken in short context to apply to all situations universally.

        He seems reasonable, so I guess I’d like to see a return interview more expansive and detailed.

  66. Rachel() says:

    “Kaiser reminded me that Kirk is one of those “left behind” people who believes “that all of us sinners will be left behind when Jesus comes back.’”
    I think that by “left behind” ppl you just mean “Christians”. That is what Christianity is….And in that religion homosexuals are lumped into the “sinners” category.
    Kirk Cameron’s an idiot, but at least he’s not trying to pretend that the Bible says something it doesn’t. I’m tired of “enlightened” Christians trying to pretend that the Bible is not anti-gay, anti-premarital sex, anti-women(to a point), ect, ect. Kirk is an actual Christian. These assertions should not be shocking, they should be expected.

  67. Newtsgal says:

    One of my favorite shows was the West Wing, they used some the items that were sent to Dr. Laura on one of the shows……and I just love the way “christians” pick and choose verses that suit their causes and turn a blind-eye to the others. I found this letter funny as hell.

    Why Can’t I Own a Canadian?
    October 2002
    Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It’s funny, as well as informative:

    Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?

    Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted fan,

  68. Brittney says:

    That’s funny, Kirk, since ancient Greece was the epitome of “the foundations of civilization” and homosexuality was quite a big part of that society, especially the intellectual society who formed those very foundations of civilization… you know, like DEMOCRACY?

    *Siiiiigh*

  69. Angee says:

    WHat makes me HAPPY is that I see a dialog going back and forth here. What really SCARES me is that if GLADD et al get their way, some day soon we won’t be able to have this discussion and anyone that is opposed to anything related to GAYs will be accused of hate and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Kind of reminds me of Scientology. Be very scared and be very careful of what you write on these blogs/sites.

    • Ruffian9 says:

      Actually, it angers and scares me that this ‘dialogue’ needs to occur at all. That we still must fight so hard for equality. That any sexuality other than hetro is something people ‘oppose’. How do you oppose who someone is? I just do not understand. Someone else’s sexuality has NO effect on you. What’s the problem?

      Sorry for the multiple posts, all. This just riles me to no end. I’m going to go lie down now.

      • Jeneral says:

        I’m really tired of the “it has no effect on you, so what do you care, mind your own business” argument.

        Most things that take place in the world have no effect on me, so does that mean that I don’t get to have an opinion? The absence of “having a direct effect” on others isn’t enough of a valid argument to win your case.

        Many, if not most, people don’t think that marriage is a free-for-all and don’t want same sex couples to jump on that bandwagon. Most want marriage to be between a man and a woman and feel it’s a violation of decency and tradition to allow people who obviously don’t meet the qualifications to enter into that contract.

        Being able to have this discussion is important because NOT everyone feels the same way. Those of you who just think that homosexuals are in every way equal to heterosexuals are incorrect. All PEOPLE are equal in that they are all human beings, but heterosexuals are the typical “norm” of our society. IMO, it’s fine to exist outside of that box, but it’s not THE SAME. Where we draw the line and decide what to include on what side of “acceptable” and “unacceptable” is a complex debate and is not going to be solved easily just by waving a magic wand and forcing people to like and agree with things that they don’t.

        To try to shut up those who don’t agree with you, whether you’re “right” or not (since that’s only your opinion and can’t be factually proven), is the worst kind of oppression. Do expand your mind a little.

      • Asli says:

        No. The worst kind of oppression is when the majority forces a minority to conform if they want equal rights and claim that what they do is wrong. You need to expand YOUR mind and see that ALL people are beautiful, equal and the same. We all bleed red in the end. I don’t see why it’s so important for people to constrict the meaning of love. Love is love no matter who you are. And I don’t know where you live but where I live same-sex marriage has been legal since the 80′s and no one feels the need to change that. Even the very devout religious folks.

      • Jeneral says:

        @Asli, I don’t know how you can have oppression that ISN’T a majority forcing a minority to do or not do something! I don’t understand your explanation but moving on… I disagree with your “everyone is equal and the same” in many ways, but that’s much too long a discussion to have. People are all very different and very unequal. We all bleed red because warm blooded animals bleed red (are cats equal to humans then?). I don’t think many people suggest that homos be killed or punished simply for doing their thing, so no one is “constricting” the meaning of love. They’re restricting (or trying to) who is qualified for marriage. I live in Canada where everything is a free for all anyway, but that doesn’t change how a lot of people think. My POINT is that shutting up the nay-sayers just because you don’t agree with them is equally as destructive as shutting up the yea-sayers because you think they’re wrong. I don’t care how right or full of light and love and equality one side is, it’s not conducive to civilized society to just dismiss either side because in your opinion they are wrong… for WHATEVER reason.

  70. Kim says:

    It wasnt a hate speech at all. While we may not agree with him he is entitled to his opinion. I dont want to live in any society that dictates how people should feel even if I dont agree with it. I wholly believe in freedom of speech even if it pisses me off sometimes.

  71. ezra says:

    Hee hee hee….he starred in a movie called Fireproof. He eats Subway.
    Who would take this guy seriously?
    A barking dog on a leash.

  72. Kelly says:

    He has a right to express him opinion; he didn’t do it hatefully. We get Ellen DeGenere’s opinions everyday on TV, nationally….there is a lot of hate chipping away at Christians. I think people are more “intolerant” of Christians than the other way around. I’m a Christian; my best friend of 35 years just came out a lesbian….she came to me about it because she knew my opinion but she also knew I would not treat her with anything other than love. I agree with Kirk, so sue me , bash me….many people who aren’t Christians bash gay people and they don’t get bashed nearly as badly as Kirk did.

  73. Amanda G says:

    I don’t understand why people care what two adults do in a relationship. It’s not like it’s going to go away if we deny marriage and rights to those who are gay. The country is moving forward (slowly unfortunately) and eventually gay marriage will be legal nation wide. Get with the times people!

  74. aprayerforthewildatheart says:

    And several million viewers thought…This Captain Kirk guy must have stopped drinking, he looks great!

    Anyway he was asked for his opinions, and he didn’t give them in a hateful way, which is actually very refreshing.

    I don’t happen to agree with him, but it’s our first amendment right at play here so I’m not hating. And prop 8 is still dead in the water…thank God!

  75. Madison says:

    I’m not surprised by Kirk’s comments given his christianity, I just wish people were more accepting of each others lifestyle choices. GLAAD needs to realize that this is a free country and people are free to believe whatever they want including people like Kirk, not everyone is going to agree with the gay lifetyle and it’s not hate if people don’t.

  76. Elizabeth says:

    I am a born-again Christian and I just don’t want this to turn into a “all those christian types believe this and they’re bad people” blog. I think that gays should be allowed to marry. If straight couples can marry after knowing each other for 2 days (or less), why can’t a gay couple who’ve been together for years get married? I “blame” my left-leaning Anglican mother for all these loose views of mine :) . But I think that what KC says touches on the issue of religious freedom and freedom of speech. He is free to believe what he wants to believe and to talk about it. Respect HIS freedom of speech.

  77. cr says:

    Ok, since the whole ‘Kirk has the right to say what he wants’ stuff is coming up again:

    “Ah, but freedom of speech does come with consequences, so if he says something like homosexuality is destructive, he’s going to get called on it.
    Freedom of speech is a two way street and calling him out for being a twit isn’t oppressing his freedom of speech in anyway.”
    To reiterate: Kirk being criticized for using his freedom of speech to state his beliefs is not oppressing his freedom of speech! Period.

  78. ShanKat says:

    There have been a lot of gay men & women who have worked with Kirk over the years in the business who would probably be insulted…if they didn’t all know what a dullard he is. He’s not a hateful person, not at all. He’s just incredibly dumb. I think of KC like practically every other child star who is out there acting a crazy fool…his heroin is his odd little religious congregation.

    Free speech is an amazing, wonderful right and privilege. Everyone from former teen idols to gay hookups in Griffith Park has the divine right to speak their mind.

  79. ol cranky says:

    On a brighter note, Tracey Gold spoken out to completely disagree with him

  80. B says:

    He’s giving me major gay vibes

  81. Alix says:

    “Just because you feel one way doesn’t mean we should act on everything we feel.”

    Had Cameron followed his own counsel, we might’ve been spared his years-long attempt at acting.

    • ZenB!tch says:

      I was born Catholic, so I do agree with that statement to a degree. I think Catholic priests, gay or straight should not act on their sexual urges because they made a vow to their God not to.

      I was sent to a Protestant teen program, so I think the idea of a celibate clergy is nuts but I believe that if you make a promise to God you keep it. Which means I believe Protestant clergy should be 100% faithful to their spouse. God is big on faithfulness and monogamy.

  82. daisyfly says:

    If Kirk Cameron is the kind of person that’s going to be taken up to Heaven, then I’ll choose being left behind, TYVM.

  83. eden says:

    He has a right to his opinion based upon what he believes.

    I have gay friends & they will remain friends as long as I respect them & they respect me. Now when it comes down to it, do I think its natural for a man to put his penis in a mans butt or a woman to go down on another woman??? Not my thing, I love men!!!! Just don’t hate on me because I’m straight, do your thing & don’t judge me.

    My lesbian co-worker stayed the night at my house & crawled in my bed trying to make a move. I rejected her several times & she wouldn’t stop so I kicked her out of my room & locked the door.

    The next day at work she told everyone I hated her because she was gay. I had to find another job because she made my life hell!!!

    • ZenB!tch says:

      I totally relate. I don’t think it’s “normal” to be attracted to the same sex. Normal meaning the majority. I do think it’s “natural” or congenital. I believe 5%-10% of the population was born that way.

      The thought of an-l sex or sex with a woman is not something I want to do. I just more or less dumped a guy because he wanted to try an-l. Um… my butt is not meant for that.

      HOWEVER… if someone was born with an inclination to be into the same sex… who am I to judge? I support my friends gay and straight as long as they support me.

      I don’t really think being close friends with a lesbian is going to make me gay.

    • fabgrrl says:

      And hetero couples NEVER EVER EVER have anal sex or oral sex. Nope, never.

      Riddle me this, Eden. Say your coworker had been male. What would you think? You would hopefully think, this person is a creepy rapist! But, would you assume all hetero men are, therefore, creepy rapists? I think is it pretty damn clear that you do NOT like gay people. And your creepy rapist former co-worker simply used that fact to cover up her own creepy rapist-ness.

  84. Andshefell says:

    This is a man whose entire qualifications in life is being in a terrible 80′s show and reading the Bible. Why is everyone getting so upset? The people that make the loudest noise have the most to hide. His “not acting on homosexual feelings” comment says more about his own mind than anything else. He is ashamed of his own feelings.

  85. ZenB!tch says:

    Is Piers out of LA or NY? I ask because if he is out of LA. Kirk Cameron is probably the only “name” evangelical he could find. We have a colony of them in the Northwest San Fernando Valley. The are a bunch of “non denominational” mega churches out there and Kirk is a big name in that community and a D-List name in ours. The rest of LA (religious or not) has a lot of Catholic, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Presbyterian and Methodist churches (in that order in my area) and Jewish temples.

    I am not sure how it works in NY, I only saw Catholics and Jews when I was there last.

    I think THAT is why he got Kirk Cameron. He wanted a non-Catholic, Evangelical POV.

  86. Trillion says:

    You know, it wasn’t that long ago that Right Wing Christians were denouncing blacks and trying to prevent their access to equal rights. This is the same thing all over again.

    • eden says:

      Wow, do some research! I’m mixed, my best friend & sister-n-law is black, my niece is mixed. President Lincoln was a Republican & HE freed black slaves! Martin Luther King was a Republican! Go back to school!!!

      • Jill says:

        Martin Luther King Jr. and his father were both republicans until the younger King was locked up in a civil rights demonstration during John F. Kennedy’s presidential campaign, and Kennedy called King’s father offering whatever assistance he could give to get MLK Jr. out of jail. MLK Sr. then preached a Sunday sermon to all his congregation asking them to vote Democratic in November.

      • mln76 says:

        @eden Trillion said ‘right wing’ NOT ‘republican’
        And you are right. The Republican Party USED to have some dignity and gravitas. Too bad it got taken over by the Bat s***T crazies.

  87. ManicPixieDreamGirl says:

    The idea that Kirk Cameron thinks he has the right and some kind of authority to go on national television and judge people for who they choose to sleep with and marry is, “unnatural, detrimental, and destructive.” Stick to doing interviews on fox news you delusional bible thumping asshole.

    • eden says:

      Actually he has the right, its called Freedom of Speech! And when we no longer have that “right” then you have no voice! He has a right to his opinion, this is AMERICA!!!!

    • Gwen says:

      Very interesting!!!! George Clooney, Roseann Barr, and the rest certainly think they have “the right and some kind of authority to go on national television and judge people” (meaning Kirk Cameron or anyone who is against something they think is right). Anyone else see great hypocrites here????? I’ve heard a lot worse said about Christians, Muslims, African-Americans, Jews and many other groups, than I have heard about gay people. We really need to stop idolizing all these Hollywood Stars and thinking they know what is politically correct or that they know how best to tell us to live! Look at all the divorces, drug use, etc. They may be fun to watch in movies and on TV, but I don’t look to them as role models nor do I allow people who have been divorced 3 or 4 times tell me how to have a good marriage or even to define marriage for me. Please, stop listening to the talking heads people! :) You go Kirk, we ALL deserve Freedom of Speech!!

  88. Hikkilove says:

    None of this is hate speech. There’s nothing wrong with his comments. He’s not saying he hates all gays or that they will all burn in hell. He’s saying that he disagrees with their lifestyle choices. Big deal. Last time I checked he had a right to free speech and freedom of religion. I’m so tired of liberals trying to push the gay agenda down people’s throat. Its sad. You claim to want acceptance and tolerance and then attack those who will not agree with you. No acceptance of their right to feel and think differently from others, no tolerance of their beliefs. Hypocrites.

  89. Hikkilove says:

    None of this is hate speech. There’s nothing wrong with his comments. He’s not saying he hates all gays or that they will burn in hell. Last time I checked he had a right to free speech and freedom of religion. I’m so tired of liberals trying to push the gay agenda down people’s throat. Its sad. You claim to want acceptance and tolerance and then attack those who will not agree with you. No acceptance of their right to feel and think differently from others, no tolerance of their beliefs. Hypocrites.

    • Gwen says:

      AMEN! I have heard MUCH worse coming from the Hollywood activists and personal experience I have had with gays than I ever heard coming from Kirk Cameron! If you don’t agree with them, you get put down, called names, etc, NO MATTER how nicely you say you disagree. I was told by a young man about 15 years ago that everybody better “Watch out because we are coming on strong and we are going to push our agenda in a good way. We especially want to get our ideas in schools, to kids the younger the better no matter what anybody thinks.” That was a real eye opener for me as to how these activists don’t care about anyone else and will do whatever it takes to take care of what they want at the expense of anyone who disagrees. Some equality.

  90. Hikkilove says:

    None of this is hate speech. There’s nothing wrong with his comments. He’s not saying he hates all gays or that they will burn in hell. Last time I checked he had a right to free speech and freedom of religion.Its sad. You claim to want acceptance and tolerance and then attack those who will not agree with you. No acceptance of their right to feel and think differently from others, no tolerance of their beliefs. Hypocrites.

  91. misstrishm says:

    A few years ago I read a book called the Shack and it really opened my mind to “religion” Because there’s a big black woman named papa who’s supposed to be God and since no one knows what God looks like this could very well be a possibility. Anyway it states in the book how all religion we have today are man made God did not create religion. He wanted us all to come together as one not as we have come today. And, I can’t see how two men or two women who love each other and want the same rights are going to effect my life. It’s none of my business what goes on in other peoples lives. LGBT should have just as many rights as everyone else does.

    • Gwen says:

      The Shack was one travesty of a book! That author cannot speak for God. Please don’t believe that because an author writes that all religion is man made is necessarily true. God gave us one true religion and that is relationship with him through Jesus. You can choose to believe that or not after you read the entire Bible, but you just should be very careful to read books like The Shack and believe they are God’s truth. Dan Brown’s book, the DaVinci Code, was FULL of misinformation and focused on a small sect of people he tried to make people believe was the basis of Christianity when it was not. Yet lots of people took it as God’s truth. Don’t believe everything you read. Pick up a Bible and read what God says. It’s not

  92. Nick says:

    Jesus dying on the cross negated all the Do’s and Don’ts of the Old Testament. All “sins” are forviven if you accept him as your savior. The End. There are no other qualifyers.

    Although… the Ten Commandments are Old Testament too. Should they be considered moot? Many of them are “broken” on a daily basis by many people (Christians included) and no one really bats an eye. And then some are considered reprehensable. Are we just picking and choosing what we’re willing to accept and it flows and changes with the times? This sounds silly, but what do you think Jesus would have to say if he were here in our lifetime?

  93. eden says:

    @Mln76…right wing means Republican you idiot! Wow, how stupid are you!!!!???!!! HA HA HA!!! I hope you don’t have kids as stupid as you!!! You don’t even know what “right wing” means!?! Sooooo ignorant!!! lmao!!!!!

  94. margaret says:

    is it so wrong for people to have an opinion that is diferent from the rest.

  95. M79 says:

    “Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion” is a copout. No one would say that about the members of Westboro Baptist Church or any group or individual you disagreed with. Essentially, you are just saying you agree, and to lay off. If someone said you were detrimental to society, you’d be pretty upset. It’s not in question whether or not he is entitled to his own opinion, of course he is. That said, I fail to see how homosexuals are destructive to civilizations seeing as they have always lived in them since the dawn of time, and also fail to see what’s “natural” about being a child star.

    • Jeneral says:

      Well that’s just plain wrong. I disagree with pretty much everything that comes out of Kirk’s mouth, but I am respectful enough of him as a person to allow him his own beliefs and opinions, no matter how different they may be from my own, because he is ENTITLED to them. I don’t see him trying to pass a law whereby homos are taxed extra or put in jail or denied medical care because they’re gay. He just doesn’t think it’s right and that’s pretty much it. I don’t agree with him, and I don’t agree with gay rights activists who only care about getting what they want for themselves, so no, I’m not just agreeing with him and saying “lay off”, whatsoever.

  96. TheOriginalVictoria says:

    The Bible is not open to interpretation. That’s just what people who justify wrong doing say to themselves to make themselves feel better about life. I love a lot of you guys and I have no problem with people debating, but please stop twisting the Bible/Torah/Talmud around to fit your view in things. It is clear what is and what is not allowed. If you are not a Christian or Jew who practices and has studied the Word and asked for revelation from God please don’t quote scriptures to other people who may not know for themselves what is and isn’t. You are studying for knowledge sake, not because you actually want to walk in the Way. Jesus was a Jew and he was also about keeping the laws and he told his followers to do so. Yes Jesus preaches love and he did died for the the sinners, but you cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible of to follow. People often look that over.

    I am a gossiper, a liar (in the sense that I have lied in life as we all have), a fornicator, and all sorts of things. There is nothing that will pretty that up. I am not going to try and make it look nice as a Christian who knows better than to do these things. I am not a malicious gossiper, a habitual liar, nor do I fornicate now, but it is what it is and it doesn’t make those things less true because I’m not the worst of the worst.

    The problem with believers is that we totally need to let non believers live their lives and worry about our own issues. We’ve got a lot to deal with in our own temples and churches to be concerned about people who don’t give a fk about us or our faith. The way to show people the way is to live the right way, not just talk a bunch of talk. And that’s why no one listens. And honestly, I know we are called to preach the gospel, but I honestly don’t care what a non-believer does. They are of little importance to me spiritually.

    However, I am all for gay rights and I have no problem with gay people because as long as they aren’t forcing me to participate in their personal shenannies and I’m not forcing them to go with mine, why shouldn’t I love them and count them as friends. Because honestly gay rights is a secular issue. They are people and tax payers and in relationships too and you don’t gotta like it and they don’t gotta like that you don’t like it. And when church folk remove themselves from that all together and realise that we are never going to be secularly accepted, we will be hated on hypocritically because that’s prophecy, then we can focus on cleaning up our own mess inhouse. That’s why all this sinning in the church is going on now.

  97. joeycat says:

    I don’t believe in gay marriage or approve of homosexuality. BUT, I do believe in people having a choice. God believed in people having a choice.

    Same goes for abortion. I am pro-life for myself and pro-choice for everyone else.
    This is how you have an opinion that respects other people’s opinions.

    And remember…God didn’t create religion, we created that mess all on our own.

  98. only1shmoo says:

    I don’t know if anyone will read this since the list of comments is so long now, but I need to put in my 2 cents.

    Kirk is showing himself to be a self-righteous, ignorant, uneducated bigot! If he had done any research outside of the Bible, he would know that homosexuality actually IS natural, as it occurs in nature all the time.

    I think everyone is entitled to their beliefs (religious or otherwise), but once those beliefs are used to infringe on the rights of others, then I get royally pissed! This guy should read a history book and realize that several decades ago it was considered “unnatural” for people to have mixed-race relations.

    BTW, thanks for using a pic of K.C. with an idiotic look plastered to his face; it really brings the point home.

    • Gwen says:

      The gay activists themselves do not promote equality, they promote their agenda. If you do not agree with them, they call you names. Hate speech from Kirk? I think not. Pro-gay rights activists are the ONES doing the name calling and degrading Kirk for his opinions. Same old same old for the gay rights activists.

    • Jeneral says:

      1. Just because something occurs in nature does not make it normal and natural. Case in point: albino(ism?), deformities, and red heads.

      2. Blah blah bigot blah blah intolerant blah blah… I don’t even like Kirk, but he’s obviously done his homework in regards to his religion and he has chosen what he believes. Just because it doesn’t mesh with your beliefs doesn’t make him wrong, it makes the two of you different. Stop slinging insults just because someone is different than you, it’s so grade school.

      • only1shmoo says:

        Quite harsh. Firstly, you can’t compare homosexuality to albinism or deformities as they are the result of genetic defects (or are you actually suggesting that homosexuality is also, by definition, a defect?), and as for red heads, I won’t even touch on that one.

        The point I was trying to make is that the impulse to bond with a member of the same sex occurs between many species, so to say that it is “unnatural” shows a lack of awareness about animal (including human) biology. And for the record, suggesting that my comment is juvenile is out of context, considering that Kirk stated that millions of people who identify themselves as gay are “unnatural”; I’d like to see how well you’d take it if someone made the same comment about you.

  99. Gwen says:

    I really never can see why it is okay for someone to say that gay rights are a wonderful thing, but it is not okay for another person to say they are not. Is THAT equality. I’ve seen some pretty detrimental things where I live about the gay rights community pushing their opinions in a very public manner and into our school system. Kindergarteners and 1st and 2nd graders do not need to hear about straight or gay sex in school, but the gay community thinks they should. Huh? It’s only to promote their own agenda, not about what parents agree or don’t agree to teach their own children. Stomps on the rights of the parents!!! Talk about taking the rights away from some and giving them to others. That is not true equality or true freedom. Also, what is wrong with this guy not taking roles where he has to kiss women other than his wife??? Wow, with the way Hollywood stars marry and divorce I kind of think he is taking a stand and, after all, that is up to him as to whether he wants to do that or not! Most movie stars will sell their souls to be elevated, but we can’t respect the fact that someone is free to make the choice that he doesn’t want to take a chance on harming his marriage and we have a problem with that? Wow – a person who doesn’t compromise his marriage – just awful (sarcasm intended). I really don’t see the gay rights activists being all that vocal about being “tolerant” of anyone’s opinion that differs from theirs either. I don’t respect that. And, I certainly don’t respect an agenda that is pushed on our schools or other public venues. We had a gay pride parade here recently and the majority were barely dressed for a public event, groping each other, using lots of bawdy language, etc. I don’t think a “straight” parade would be accepted either if that was the focus (except of course at the Mardi Gras – but then you CHOOSE to go there, it doesn’t choose your city block to march down and disrupt churches, temples, or businesses. It seems to be okay ONLY for gay pride parades.

    • Jeneral says:

      God forbid someone disagrees with homosexuality or the normalizing of unnatural sexual acts and lifestyle… it’s all well and good to do WHATEVER you like in a consenting situation, but don’t try and tell me it’s perfectly normal and that I should openly embrace it. These days, if you’re not 100% supportive and in favour of gay rights because of your beliefs or personal opinions, you are an ignorant, narrow minded, intolerant bigot who should be ashamed of your outdated, hateful oppressive views. Sounds to me like the most intolerant people of all are those who can’t get over themselves and the fact that not everyone else is going to agree with them.

  100. harfang says:

    This story is kind of a waste of everyone’s time… except for the deliciousness of the failed-birthday-party photo. It sort of says, “Homophobes, you will have no fun, ever.” ;)

  101. Joe Shmoe says:

    While I may not agree with Kirk, all this political correctness is becoming the new McCarthy-ism.

    People who preach tolerance usually tend to act very intolerant to those who disagree with them.

  102. Meanchick says:

    What cult, er, uh, I mean church does he belong to?

  103. Betch says:

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And I meant EVERYONE. The problem with people who preach “tolerance” is that they are intolerant of people who do not subscribe to their beliefs.

    Lighten up. Kirk is living is faith. The same way gays do live their own chosen paths. LIVE AND LET LIVE.