Kris & Bruce Jenner had ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ thing, she ‘thought it was a phase’

I had the chance to read People Magazine’s cover article about Bruce Jenner’s transition. As reported earlier today, last night I attended a talk by renowned transgender activist and Navy SEAL, Kristin Beck. Beck’s story was briefly highlighted in Bruce’s 20/20 interview, in which he made the announcement that he’s transitioning to a woman. Beck told an audience of a couple of hundred people that she wished Jenner would just “come out and be a hero” instead of parceling out information about his transition for financial gain. (As far as we know, Jenner was not paid for his 20/20 interview although her point was that he is saving information for his reality show.) To be clear: Beck was asked a direct question about what she hasn’t said to the press about Jenner. She believed she was making these statements to an audience of mostly military personnel and cadets. While I did obtain permission to publish her comments, she did not intend to publicly shame Jenner or call him out and she did call him her “hero”.

The People article attempts to explain why Jenner is somewhat gradually coming out. It must be frustrating for those in the trenches of the transgender movement, but Jenner has personal (as well as monetary) reasons for revealing his transition in stages. According to People, his older kids and two first wives are understanding of his transition, but his most recent ex- wife, Kris, his youngest two daughters and some of the other Kardashians are still coming to terms with everything. (He’s said on 20/20 that Khloe is definitely struggling.) Here are some excerpts from the print article pertaining to Kris, with much more in the print edition. People has more online about the divide between the Kardashians and Jenners.

Sources say the Kardashian matriarch never grasped the implications of what her future husband was saying [about his gender identity]. “She never knew Bruce wanted to be a woman,” insists the Kardashian source. “She thought he had a little quirk, and he asked her to keep it secret all those years, so she did.”

In fact, even before they wed, the Jenner insider says, Kris reached out to Bruce’s two ex-wives… “Kris assured them that she knew about ‘the issue,’” says the source. “She tried to reassure them that this was just a phase and he was over it now. She was aware his body had changed, she knew he [had been] pursuing gender reassignment. But she thought it was just a phase and that she could ‘fix’ him.” It was only after years of marriage that “it started coming to the surface more for Bruce,” says the Kardashian source. “That’s when things started to unravel…”

Although Jenner had taken hormones for years, undergone full body electrolysis and even told her about some of his feelings, Kris “had no idea it was this deep,” says a Kardashian source. “Bruce is a bit of a loner and kept it to himself. It because a ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ sort of thing. When Jenner did reveal the truth, “it shook her,” he revealed to Sawyer.

[From People Magazine, print edition, May 11, 2015]

As Kaiser reported yesterday, Kris was full of lies when she tried to claim that ABC never contacted her for a comment about Bruce. She was contacted, ABC confirmed that, and she decided not to say anything until after the fact, when she was supportive. Maybe she’s too close to the situation, maybe she is still in denial and her feelings are too raw. This is something that’s hard to fault her for on one hand, because it must be an incredibly difficult situation. On the other hand Kris is one of the most media-savvy women in the business and she knew about this for years and chose to ignore it. Even if she was hurt and upset, she knew that this interview was coming and she could have been more supportive. With Kris, you wonder if she’s more upset that she’s not in control of the story, though.

Here’s a photo that Bruce’s second wife, Linda Thompson, Instagrammed of Bruce with her and his first wife, Chrystie Scott. Linda revealed that her Huffington Post essay is an excerpt from her upcoming memoir. Like Linda, Chrystie has had many positive things to say about Bruce.

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  1. aims says:

    I think it’s more of a control thing for Kris. She can no longer call the shots with Bruce and it eats away at her.

    • Jag says:

      Agreed. And I’ll go further and say that she’s upset that she wasn’t able to mold him into what she wanted and that he’s being true to himself.

    • Kitten says:

      “thought it was phase” is so damn typical of this woman. Instead of being genuinely interested and curious about Bruce’s proclivities, instead of possibly researching what he might be going through, or having an honest discussion with him, it was far more convenient to dismiss it as “just a phase”, sweep it under the rug, and continue her agenda for world domination.

      • HurryUp says:

        What a horrible thing to write! “Genuinely interested and curious” about wanting to be a woman?! He lied to her–he admitted that he lied to them all in the interview–and she’s at fault for believing him?

      • Kitten says:

        Wow REALLY?

        If someone you loved told you they were transgendered you would have NO curiosity or desire to understand what they’re going through? That’s absolutely appalling to me.

        As far as Bruce “lying” to her, it’s been stated countless times that he was on hormone therapy and had breasts when they met. Um, you wouldn’t seek to ask him about that? You wouldn’t take that as a clue that maybe not everything is fine on the homestead? Okkkk.

      • HH says:

        @HurryUp – I think the only people that Bruce initially lied to were his first two wives, he stated that by the time he met Kris he had larger breasts due to hormone therapy. He had been honest with her about wanting to be a woman, but at the same time, he did mention that he downplayed the extent of his feelings. But there were also other things, like his daughters catching him in woman’s clothes I could see where Kris is still having a hard time with all of this, but I don’t understand her acting like she was “shocked”. That seems like a far cry to me.

        Also, my actual anger with Kris stems from how she cut Bruce off from the rest of his family (which he also bears much responsibility for). The fact that Bruce’s ex-wives became friends and made it a point for his children to grow up together speaks volumes. I’m sure they would have wouldn’t have minded being included in the Kardashian fold as well. I think Kris had an idea in her mind of a family and she controlled how it was built. But, once again, it was up to Bruce to pushback on that for the sake of his children, and he didn’t.

      • jwoolman says:

        Yes, his first two wives had the reasonable response of seeking counseling to figure out what was going on and their options. But Kris isn’t very deep. I still would leave her alone on this one, though, in case there’s a human heart in there somewhere. It’s such a complicated situation for the wife, ex or not. His two youngest kids are very likely having more trouble with it than they care to admit, they’re still adolescents themselves and just figuring out a lot in their own lives. Kylie is basically trying to raise herself and has been doing so (badly) for years.

    • denisemich says:

      I agree that Kris liked Bruce because she was in charge of that relationship. I am not sure that is a bad or good thing. Not many people of her generation have relationships in which someone is not running the show, usually the man.

      I honestly think Kris has taken Bruce’s transition personally and is acting passive aggressively. I don’t even think she is doing it intentionally.

      I can’t imagine. Cut her slack. Its great Bruce is being true to himself now. He made a lot of decisions in the past that make his transition hurtful to people now. In the future, they will support him, but by then his success won’t be tied to their destruction.

      • pix says:

        I will NEVER “cut her some slack”! Kris Jenner is a monster of a human being that turned all five of her daughters into vapid, over-sexed creatures. The fact that her two younger daughters don’t have a high school education makes me shake my head. She should have focused on her family, including her husband, instead of whoring them out. Maybe if she dealt with her family like a actual person, she’d be in a better position to deal.

      • Zwella Ingrid says:

        PIX, you can’t blame Kris Jenner for what her daughters have become. She has contributed, no doubt, but they are all responsible for themselves, and capable of making their own decisions.

      • Ennie says:

        @Zwella, maybe with the older ones, but the younger ones were probably brought up like child actors who do not care for education… Shades of mama Lohan.
        The problem is that these girls have absolutely no other talent.
        I know some models stop studying and start their careers young, but many do that out of necessity. Kendall became a model after their infamous show, the younger one is famous for nothing, but those are the standards nowadays.
        I acknowledge that both are responsible, but I think Bruce ws kind of working and had these issues, the majority of the outcome for the Jenner girls (and the older ones) , I blame of PMK

      • pk says:

        @Zwella I don’t agree. Kris Jenner was responsible to make sure her minor daughters at least got a high school education and they weren’t dating 25 year old men.

  2. Shambles says:

    As @Kiddo so eloquently said yesterday, there are many shades of gray. I don’t have any good feelings towards Kris Jenner the human being, but after a lot of thought, I don’t think this is as simple as “she’s totally in the right” or “she’s totally in the wrong.” I think she’s somewhere on the spectrum of both, depending on what context you’re viewing the situation from. This just serves to illustrate how complicated the idea of gender identity can truly be, and hopefully it reminds us how thoughtfully the issue must be handled.

    • Chichi says:

      Perfectly stated.

      Theres alot going on here.
      1) The boyfriend/husband who wasnt explicit about his issues and very clearly backtracked in order to convince a hetero woman to start a life with him. Oh and in the process, cut his kids out of his life.
      2) The wife who is so vapid and publicity minded she (along with husband) turned her own childrens lives into a cash register
      3) The ex wives who struggled with the idea that their husband left them because he wanted to be female but then spent the next two decades as a man raising another mans kids. If theres vengeance to be had, it will be on the woman he made the sacrifice for.
      4) The four Jenner kids who were the same ages as daddys “new kids” but had to live with the fact that he chose to be absent from their lives. And even worse had to watch him play happy families on TV without them. Now they get their day in the lime light with daddy probably thinking “maybe now he will love me too”.
      5) The Kardashian girls who as vain as they are have to deal with losing another father and watching their mum torn to shreds by the PC crowd who happily arent emotionally connected to this mess.

      In the end if we give Bruce leeway for marrying a woman he knew had no desire for another woman and pretending through the years that he was just a cross dresser then we must do the same for Kris who has exploited every facet of their lives (with Bruces full cooperation) but was not only blind sided with the whole “I want to go back to taking hormones that I quit so that I could get you to marry me” thing but the instant villainising by people who have no idea what it must be like.

      • L&Mmommy says:

        Bravo @Chichi. You said it all. That’s exactly how I see this whole situation.

      • megan says:

        In the 80′s he stopped his change and a while later met Kris. He’s not homosexual, so why couldn’t he marry a woman? He specifically said he’s never been attracted to a man. Kris didn’t pay attention when he was telling her about his transgender feelings

      • Dirty Martini says:

        Chichi, you stated the issues beautifully. It is so complex and nuanced.

        I’m no fan of Kris Jenner for a multitude of reasons. But I do think we should cut her some slack on this. While I find her denial implausible–only two people really know what happens in a marriage. What he told her, how they lived behind closed doors is unknown to us. I’m certainly not defending her, I don’t like how she is playing this NOW, I don’t find her honest or believeable…..but dang, who among us would know how to handle this situation (whether in the past or the present)? SO a little slack is definitely in order.

        While I have a ton of sympathy for Bruce as it relates to his gender identity struggles throughout his lifetime, I don’t have sympathy for how he played it with the women in his life or the elder children. I also am becoming disgusted with how he is playing his coming out. The fact he is coming out now IS helpful, and that’s a good thing. But it could be so much more if he’d drop the scintillating dole-out of info, and if he’d do it in a more instructional and less cheesy commercial way.

      • Zwella Ingrid says:

        Yes. As in every situation, fault to be found on both sides, and therefore forgiveness/leeway needs to be extended both ways too.

      • Chichi says:

        Megan a woman attracted to another woman is a lesbian. Kris is not a lesbian and Bruce knew that so he understated his issues. Not only did he understate them, he stopped actioning them beyond just cross dressing. I’m going by his own confessed in his Diane Sawyer interview by the way.

    • Shambles says:

      @Chichi (love your name), beautiful run-down of all the complicated, messy facets of this situaion. Thanks for that.
      “In the end if we give Bruce leeway for marrying a woman he knew had no desire for another woman and pretending through the years that he was just a cross dresser then we must do the same for Kris…”

      I think this sums it up perfectly. If we give Bruce a pass for his absentee fathering and admittedly deceitful ways, Kris gets a little sympathy/empathy too, as shady as she is.

  3. cakecakecake says:

    she hates to NOT be in control, she lies–all the truth, smdh.

    I totally agree w/Kaiser.

  4. L&Mmommy says:

    Here’s the thing, I don’t think Kris has to be supportive. She lost her husband of 25 years, she shouldn’t have to go along with everyone calling him her “hero”. She has a right not to comment but I think she should have just wish him luck with his future and leave it at that. And doesn’t it seem that the first two wives are out to stick it to PMK with how supportive they are? It seems to me they’re making it a contest.

    • Josephine says:

      I agree – she doesn’t need to be supportive. But she also doesn’t need to make it all about her, which she already seems to be doing, and will no doubt continue to do. My guess is that there will be several episodes about her reaction, etc… , so she’ll milk it for fame and profit. I rather she send out a simple message per your suggestion, but there is no way she is sitting this one out.

      • claire says:

        How has she made it all about her though? I keep seeing this accusation but as far as I can tell, she doesn’t really seem to have done or said much. Certainly one could make that accusation about the others who are doing tons of interviews, or, say, Linda who wrote an essay for Huff Post, now admitting it’s part of her upcoming memoir. Publicity is certainly benefitting her then, isn’t it?

      • Josephine says:

        claire – there are already stories out there that they have filmed Bruce telling the girls for their own reality show, and that they will each be featured on his upcoming special. i also very much believe that she is the one fueling all of these stories, with her stupid little tweet to that gossip guy and her embarrassing lie about ABC not contacting her. I don’t think for a single minute that she isn’t scheming about how to best use this situation for their sinking show and various other “very special” shows. Her history is just too darn slimy for me to believe otherwise.

      • claire says:

        @Josephine: thanks for taking the time to reply but absolutely none of that backs up her making this about her.

    • ellie says:

      She doesn’t have to be supportive. She also doesn’t have to play shocked, unaware, and all alone. She knew he tried this in the past, and she quickly found herself a young boyfriend

    • Bob Loblaw says:

      She does have to be supportive. This is the father of her children, a person she had a long term relationship with and an supposedly amicable divorce. Regardless of how she feels about his transition and his public revelations, she is obliged to be supportive of him for the sake of their children together. She has no excuse for any other stance, she knew he was transitioning when they met so she cannot now pretend ignorance. It’s difficult, of course, but she needs to suck it up and live up to her “it’s all about the family” rhetoric.

  5. Colette says:

    I am more interested in when they knew their teenage daughter was having a relationship with a 26 year old father of one.

  6. roxy750 says:

    She couldnt control her husband so she controls her daughters. She is also pissed because the last portion of her life she was living a lie—she discovered. She didn’t want to believe it about Bruce but cmon, who doesn’t know the intimacies of their loved one. Anyways, whatever.

  7. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    I think it was sort of naive for her to believe it was just a phase if he was taking hormones and all that.

    • Regina Phalange says:

      +1

    • Shambles says:

      +2. She seems like she’s the type of person who believes what she wants to believe. She may have truly convinced herself that this was just a phase, because that was the more comfortable idea for her to live with.

    • Kitten says:

      I said above, that I think it was more convenience than naivety, but maybe there was also some denial there as well.

      • Zwella Ingrid says:

        Plus we don’t know what he was saying to her. Surely the fault lies within him here? Why marry her at all if it was his heart’s desire to become a woman?

    • Shambles says:

      @ Kitten, your comment above made me chuckle with your “agenda for world domination” lol. I think today I’m just trying to be more empathetic, because yesterday I saw myself judging KJ with a one-track mind. I’m trying to be more open to the idea that this could genuinely be hard on her, but I still think she’s pond-scum as a human being.

    • Zwella Ingrid says:

      Maybe naive, but aren’t people in love nearly always naive/blind to the faults of their lovers?

      • jwoolman says:

        Kris Jenner has two loves: herself and money. I doubt that she is capable of other love in the usual sense. She miscalculated how much cheating her first rich husband would accept (she married him as a financial upgrade from her original fiancé), so she was looking for another rich husband. Bruce wasn’t as rich as she would have liked but she correctly felt she could revive him financially- he had potential because of his past success as an Olympic champion. Now she is rich in her own right, so she doesn’t need a husband. In any case, I doubt that the intricacies of Bruce Jenner’s emotional state were of great interest to her when she married him or anytime after that. He was a means to an end.

      • pk says:

        @jwoolman I agree with your ” he was a means to an end” which was the ONLY reason she was willing to overlook the fact that he was on hormones and had size 36 B breasts. Does anyone really think she would have done that for a man without the fame and financial potential? She uses men for money and fame and has taught her daughters to to the same. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that Kim’s “first love” was Michael Jackson’s nephew.

      • Bob Loblaw says:

        Certainly people can be blinded by love, but if your male boyfriend has breasts and is taking hormones to become a women, that’s not blinded by love, that’s let’s ignore this inconvenient fact because I want to marry a famous Olympic champion. She is a selfish little beast and there is no two ways about it.

  8. melissa says:

    Sounds like she didn’t want to believe what she was being told from the beginning. She’s too focused on herself and moneymaking kids

  9. Christin says:

    There is a spot-on comment by @Susan in today’s Kylie post that sums up my thoughts about this entire family.

    Now I am starting to wonder if the two other exes (plus the four other children) are being pulled or at least welcomed into this neverending reveal just to shore up Bruce’s standing with the public. Certainly helps him gloss over the past and his K association to have them on his side right now.

    Rather than assume it’s because he’s just a swell person, I also think it is possible that the exes and their long ignored children may be desperately seeking his attention and ‘love’ as best they can get it.

    • L&Mmommy says:

      + 1000. I think the ex-wives and kids feel like they FINALLY have the upper hand on the Kardashians so they’re milking it for all it’s worth. Think about it, the Kardashian “stole” their dad/husband for 25 years, have way more money, fame that they will never achieve and after all this time they finally get to “win”. I would go overboard too. And Bruce is still self-serving, he’s using them to rehab his image.

      • claire says:

        Linda is pushing a memoir. I side-eye her support due to that.

      • Christin says:

        Linda may get some promotion for her book, yet I think her Elvis years will generate more interest than her Bruce connection. At least I hope Elvis is more popular than the K bunch. :)

      • Julie says:

        @christin , of course Linda having been with Elvis will generate interest, Bruce will too. He wasn’t always known as the stepfather of the Kardashians. He was known as “the greatest athlete in the world” and was an icon to lots. Plenty of Bruce admirers don’t even watch the show.

    • Michelle says:

      @Christin “Now I am starting to wonder if the two other exes (plus the four other children) are being pulled or at least welcomed into this neverending reveal just to shore up Bruce’s standing with the public. Certainly helps him gloss over the past and his K association to have them on his side right now.”

      I hope that my comment doesn’t get misconstrued because what Bruce has done is incredibly brave, but Bruce always struck me as a really passive guy-passive to the point of being “weak,” for lack of a better way to put it. I’m not making excuses, he was absolutely a deadbeat dad to his older children, but I fully believe it was Kris Jenner that insisted on it and that he is just one of those men who, please excuse the expression, lets his wife keep his balls in a jar. Kris Jenner berated him on television regularly, had to approve of all of his purchases, and wouldn’t let him hold a credit card. My first thought when I watched Bruce take out his ponytail symbolically during his interview was how much it must have torn him up inside when Kris Jenner made him get a makeover and cut his hair short for the first time in his life since childhood. I just recently read that Linda and Chrystie became close friends and raised their children together because they wanted them to have close bonds and grow up together. I really don’t think it is a coincidence that Bruce only stopped seeing his kids once Kris came along, especially considering that Bruce’s sons Burt and Brody have been very vocal about how unwelcome and unwanted Kris Jenner has made them feel over the years.

      I think part of the reason that Bruce has a constant smile on his face since his interview is because he has finally stood up for himself and decided to live his life HIS way for a change.

    • trisha says:

      @christin, Brandon and Brody especially aren’t getting close to him just because of this. Over the years they’ve been close. If his exes had wanted to, they could have put this story in the media years ago. His exes and his oldest kids don’t seem as bitter as some assume they would be

      • dottie says:

        Brody and Brandon were on the show quite a bit so I too know this isn’t the beginning of them getting close. Burt was on a few times also. It was really nice of his exwives to keep quiet.

      • L&Mmommy says:

        @Trisha. Brandon has forgiven Bruce and has a good relationship with him but Brody has a lot of resentment towards him for not being in his life according to what he has said on their show. I think Brody is more of a work in progress when it comes to Bruce. But what is very clear is that the oldest kids hate PMK and are not very close to the Kardashians kids. IMHO the goal of all this is that they finally get to make a point over the Kardashians but that wouldn’t have been the case if they outed Bruce themselves that would have made them villains intead of the heroes they are today. So I don’t think that was an option.

      • Christin says:

        I did not intend to imply anyone is bitter or has not been around him in recent years. However, the exes and first four children have been overshadowed by his last wife and family. Several commenters on this site did not know he had four other children until the interview!

        And by several accounts, he was absent for several formative years of his four older kids’ lives. That has to leave a scar. And, I don’t think any of the four have ever described the Kris years as being completely welcoming ones, from their perspective.

      • Jenny says:

        Not everyone knows much about the Kardashians and Jenners explaining why the first 4 Jenner kids weren’t always known. Not everybody watches the show or reads about them. Since Bruce had his interview, more people are reading about him that normally wouldn’t and now realise he has more kids. He wasn’t hiding them

      • Michelle says:

        I agree with you both @trisha and @dottie. I think the fact that Bruce’s sons and eldest daughter even have a relationship with Bruce at all today after he abandoned them once he met Kris speaks volumes for what good mothers Bruce’s exes were/are. Both Chrystie and Linda raised caring, understanding, forgiving and loving children who are willing to support their father no matter what. My take away from the situation regarding Bruce’s first two exes is that the children they raised speak for them, and Chrystie and Linda are looking like two really good people to me.

        I have to admit the fact that Linda is suddenly pushing a memoir is a little weird, but she has been around for years and had what could certainly be deemed an interesting life first as a beauty queen, then Elvis’ girlfriend, Bruce Jenner’s wife, a career as a song-writer, and I think the fact that her sons seem like great guys says a lot about her. It seems a little fame-hungry though.

    • Caz says:

      The cross promotion between the Jenners and Kardashians on Bruce’s transition needs to end. The public will be even more supportive of him if the Kardashians are out of every single article.

  10. Michelle says:

    I have a theory and I’m sticking to it: Kris only cares about how this all makes her look, which is why she immediately ran out and got a boyfriend younger than half of her kids, and why she leaked her own naked pictures and claimed they were stolen from her security camera. Kris is mad Bruce revealed a secret she knew he had and she was willing to ignore because 1) she thinks it makes her look weird because she knew about it and 2) she is worried that she won’t be viewed as the sexy, ageless woman that she really believes herself to be.

    I totally believe Kris has a right to not feel 100% accepting because Bruce’s other exes have had decades to get over this and come to terms with it, but for Kris, it is a much fresher wound. I don’t respect or appreciate that she lied about it, and I believe she cares a lot more about how it makes her look. I don’t think it was a coincidence that she waited until she saw how positive the feedback was to post her own support on Twitter.

  11. paranormalgirl says:

    Kris is under no obligation to support Bruce, or comment on anything about it. But she also doesn’t need to lie about it. If she had “no comment” about the issue, she just needs to own that she had no comment. No big deal. A simple “sorry, I’m still coming to terms with this and I have no comment” would have been sufficient.

    • L&Mmommy says:

      This is exactly what she should have said but because she is allergic to being truthful and authentic she lied when she didn’t have to. I also think she feared being Alice Eved(ha!) and panicked so she lied.

    • swack says:

      That she lied about ABC not giving her a chance to comment is what bothers me the most. You are right, she could have had a statement saying she didn’t wish to comment at this time. It’s always the lies with me that get to me. I tell my grandchildren that the worse thing they can do to me is lie.

  12. Stacey says:

    I don’t get crucifying Kris Jenner for “not supporting” bruce. Kris has a right to accept or reject Bruce’s lifestyle. Just as Bruce wants to live his life his way, she has every right to divorce him and doesnt have to agree with his choices. What she has chosen to say has been positive. She doesn’t owe Bruce anything in my opinion. Lets not forget his first wife divorced him for this as well.

    I just think Bruce has every right to become a woman and his family (kris included) has their right to their own opinon as well.

  13. OTHER RENEE says:

    Maybe she’s not supportive period. Maybe it is just too painful right now. The PC thing today is to be supportive in public. Maybe she just can’t at this time. Can’t stand the woman but in this one situation I’m willing to cut her some slack. She shouldn’t have to follow the public’s agenda. If she doesn’t want to issue a public statement or write an essay for the Huffington Post, that’s her choice. I honestly can’t imagine being in her shoes and I hope I never have to.

  14. Burgher says:

    I think denial is a powerful, powerful thing and a can be a coping mechanism that doesn’t reach the conscious level. I’ve seen it in so many instances with people close to me. So, in my opinion, Kris probably couldn’t wrap her head around her boyfriend’s issues when she married him 20+ years ago. And if Bruce downplayed his internal struggle – then he was in denial too. That’s nicer than calling him a fraud.

    And 20+ years later, I agree with most people that they both so self-absorbed that I wouldn’t call either of them heroes. Unless in the same category as Lance Armstrong and Kobe Bryant, etc.

    Their youngest especially clearly could use some guidance. How sad for the older kids to have an absent father.

    I agree that being transgender is a real struggle and it is nice that Bruce was brave enough to say “you aren’t alone” etc.

    To me, bravery and heroism don’t go hand-in-hand.

    • Venus says:

      “I think denial is a powerful, powerful thing and a can be a coping mechanism that doesn’t reach the conscious level.”

      I completely agree. I grew up with an alcoholic father, and what struck me about Bruce’s interview was the level of denial on all sides, like in families with addiction issues. Bruce said that he told his sister, and she never mentioned it again — he told Kim the first time, and she didn’t bring it up again — his two youngest daughters saw him dressed as a woman on their computer and didn’t say anything. When there’s such a consistent pattern of silence, you know there’s a lot of stuff that’s going unsaid and isn’t dealt with. Good for him for being honest now, but I feel sorry for Kris and believe that she really didn’t know what was going on with him.

  15. word says:

    That pic of Bruce smiling with his two ex-wives must irk Kris.

    I think it’s odd how Bruce is now so popular with his family members all of a sudden. This is the same man who said he felt lonely in Malibu and how no one made time for him (I’m talking about the Kardashians and Jenner girls).

    • notsoanonymous says:

      There was a moment during the special where his oldest daughter, Casey (Cassandra) made a comment alluding to the fact that he was very much NOT a part of her life, and she was really hopeful that with this revelation (his coming out as trans) that it could/would change. Taking the trans part out of that – Casey is clearly a woman who wanted to be in her dad’s life, but wasn’t. It broke my heart to hear her say that.

      Some children, even those of abuse/neglect (speaking about myself), are not able to get past the need for acceptance from their father/mother. It makes perfect sense to me that his older kids are behind him. They want whatever part of him they can get. I just hope for them all that this turns into a happier ending.

      Edited to add: He did state many times that he didn’t feel wanted/needed within the KK family (this even showed on KUWTK). I don’t actually *like* Bruce very much. He came off badly on KUWTK and I thought he seemed incredibly bitchy and snide at times during the 20/20 interview. I actually liked him less after the special last week… but all the same, you can see that this (Bruce being trans) is REAL and must have been a horrible thing to feel as though he had to hide all of his life. It explains a lot about who he appears to be.

      • Christin says:

        I was trying to make a similar point upthread that you explained so well here. For his four older children, a chunk of their lives with their father is forever missing. Now they have an opportunity to possibly reconnect at a deeper level (hopefully — though I have reservations, because I personally think he is a very self-centered individual).

  16. Dawn says:

    The more I think about all of this the more I think Bruce is getting back at Kris for the divorce. I think he really loves her and didn’t want to divorce. I think Kris thought that she wanted to have a young boyfriend like her girls do and didn’t see Bruce as adding anything more to her little kingdom. That is why I think he said in his interview that he is the story after all. I think he and Kris are the same person in different bodies and I for one am losing any respect I had for the dude. But that’s just me. I only feel bad for the four kids he abandoned all those years ago.

  17. shizwhat says:

    They obviously had very separate lives. I think they do love one another otherwise Bruce wouldnt have wavered on the gender reassignment all the years they were together, and she wouldn’t have stayed with him or had two of his children. Bit of an interesting situation… but one that just isn’t for me to analyse.

    • jwoolman says:

      Having children with your rich or potentially rich husband is not a sign of love. Children are glue that binds a woman like Kris to the rich target, that’s all. She hardly bothered to raise the Jenner kids – Bruce and Khloe did that. Kris got interested when they could make money for her.

  18. Size Does Matter says:

    HODOR says, if his breasts are as big as yours due to the female hormones he is taking, it is probably more than a phase.

  19. Gabby says:

    Why are people acting like Kris “just” found out about this?

    Bruce has been in transition for at least a year now, pretty much since they separated, and he said that if she was ok with all of it, they would still be married, meaning that is the reason their marriage ended, so she knew long before everyone else. She is probably just angry, and wishing for him to crash and burn, but since she is a “famous” person, she has to pretend to be supportive of him, because that is what a “loving mother, wife, and friend” does, and she cant afford to tarnish the image she has been building for all these years.

    • Diane says:

      Her image has been tarnished YEARS AGO!

      • Gabby says:

        I meant that sarcastically! She thinks she has this “great mom,wife” image intact, just like Kim thinks she isnt famous because of her porn tape, and Kylie thinks her lips look natural.

    • Jenny says:

      Not only has he been doing this for a year and a half now, but when she met him he had breasts from doing it 30 years ago. She’s probably mad and embarrassed that the whole world knows that her husband is changing from a famous male Olympic athlete into a woman. If she’s been ignoring his changes and when he’d talk about his feelings even from the past, she really is a cold person

  20. Diane says:

    She started out riding on Bruce’s fame. Now he’s taking all the attention away from her. Of course she’s upset. Can’t imagine what stunts will come next to grab all that attention back.

    • Caz says:

      exactly. She’ll be even more desperate when the public support Bruce. There’s genuine interest in Bruce that the Kardashians will never experience.

  21. Stacey says:

    It fascinates me how Bruce is mutilating and altering his body to make him feel like the “real” Bruce. The fake boobs, the facial plastic surgery, etc is an extreme amount of plastic surgery for anyone, transexual or not. That is serious self loathing. If his soul is a woman, why will altering his appearance change that?

    When all is said and done, much of his body will be fake. The irony is rich.

    I can see how his daughter Kylie is so obsessed with her appearance and going under the knife, Bruce and Kris seem addicted to plastic surgery

  22. Silvie says:

    Jwoolman, you are so spot on 1000 percent!!

  23. Other Kitty says:

    I am not a fan of Kris, but the reality is that this may be devastating for her. This is a very serious issue, and I certainly wouldn’t fault her for not being happy about the fact that her former husband is transitioning into a woman. Put yourself in her shoes.

    My first love came out as gay a few years into our relationship. I was so in love with him, I was young, and while some say I should have known he was gay, the fact is that it was absolutely devastating for me. Even though I’m glad he’s happy, and I am happily married and have moved on in my life, it was VERY difficult for me and I think it’s unfair for people to just expect the woman who loved and had a sexual relationship and committed marriage with Bruce to just accept it instantly and be thrilled.

    • thomas says:

      I’m sorry that happened to you. But the difference is, Bruce had been telling Kris over the years and she talked to his ex-wives about it at the beginning of their relationship. She just blocked it out thinking he’d change