Angelina Jolie discusses the Sony Hack, marriage & more with the NY Times


I’m pretty excited that the Brangelina Drought is over. I was Brangelina-Parched. Angelina has a new interview with The New York Times, the paper of record and one of her favorite outlets. It’s funny to me that Angelina truly saved her best quotes for the NYT, as opposed to Vogue. Vogue would have bent over backwards to accommodate Angelina’s every wish to frame certain issues in certain ways, but maybe that’s the point – Angelina doesn’t need a media outlet to “frame” any issue for her. She can speak for herself. And while she wouldn’t say one word about Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin to Vogue, she actually discusses the whole situation with the NYT, the paper of record. You can read the full NYT piece here. Highlights:

Her expectations for ‘By the Sea’: “I know some people are going to hate it. Some are going to like it. But it was important to me to feel like an artist again.”

Whether getting married changed anything: “It was just a nice thing. For me, the big moment was when [we] signed the [joint adoption] papers for Maddox and Zahara. That was a decision to parent together, to commit to being a part of each other’s lives for the rest of my life. So [marriage] wasn’t close in comparison. In a way, it was very casual… The ceremony was in France, but we had to do things legally in California. One day I was in the edit room, and [Brad] was doing something and an assistant said, “You have to sign some papers.” So we came back and between meetings we were told, “Here’s your license.” Then someone said, “The judge is outside.” We both said, “What do you mean, the judge is outside?” Then the judge came in, this lovely guy, and at some point, Brad said, “Shouldn’t we be standing up?” The judge said, “No.” Then suddenly we realized we were married, in the most unceremonial way possible.”

At first, she didn’t want to star in ‘By the Sea’: “There were lots of scenes I wanted to change or cut. I realized it was going to be me [naked] in that bathtub. But I told myself, put all of that aside. Like, you can’t change or cut this scene because you’ve had a mastectomy, or because we’re married and people are going to analyze this or that. That would be cheating.”

On sexism & being one of the few prominent female directors: “I just think that sometimes people in the business focus on the fact that you’re a minority. I don’t want people saying, “Should we get a female director?” I want to hear, “Should we get a great director for this movie?” But I’m the first female director that Brad’s ever worked with. That doesn’t seem right when you think about it…Sexism is part of every industry and must be addressed. But I try not to focus on the negative but the positive side of what we can bring. I want to support other women because of the opportunities I’ve had — and I’ve had a lot of opportunities. What I try as a female director is to do the best job I can and in the meantime bring attention to as many other female directors and writers as I can. Right now I am producing “The Breadwinner,” an animated film about Afghanistan. Nora Twomey is the director.”

On Brad’s experience being directed by a woman/his wife: “I’m not just a woman, but a writer-director. We’re also husband and wife. I think it was doubly hard. We know certain things about each other. At first it was a little uncomfortable. You want to be careful what button you press and what you don’t. At the same time, he later said he felt like he could be the most open in his acting, because he trusted I was genuinely there to help him give the best performance.”

The Sony Hack emails: “I didn’t read any of them….Someone told me. There are certain things that bother me and certain things that don’t. Personal attacks on me? I think I’m just so used to it. Honestly, my first instinct was that I was worried about Amy. I had someone call her and ask if she was O.K. Not because I’m a saint, but because I think we have to look at the bigger picture. She’s got kids. I knew it was going to unravel for her.”

Whether she would ever do a rom-com: “I love comedies. But I’m never asked to do anything even self-mocking. I tried to do comedy when I was younger. It didn’t work. I don’t think I’m very funny.”

[From The NYT]

The Sony Hack answer is… whoa. She loaded a lot into just a few sentences. I think my favorite quote now is “Not because I’m a saint, but because I think we have to look at the bigger picture.” Damn, Angie! Way to give your detractors a wink. But I love that Angelina heard about the emails and Angie “had someone call” Pascal. As in, Angelina wasn’t going to call Pascal herself. Because the emails really were that bad.

At the end of the interview, she’s asked if she’s worried that the audience will think By the Sea is a self-portrait, and Angelina says that she and Brad don’t share the particular “issues” with their characters but it is “true” that “we have terrible fights, are imperfect, have insecurities and can be depressed and emotional… We have problems, arguments. We are two very human, flawed people.” Which means that at least one time, in real life, Brad really has cried and stormed out of the house while the Leg of Doom cackled at the window.

PS… The ID on the blue dress is Luisa Beccaria. We have even more photos of Brangelina for another post, so no threadjacking!

Photos courtesy of Getty, WENN & Fame/Flynet.

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  1. oop says:

    Notice she knew better than to mention Rudin.

    • Pinky says:

      Why? I don’t get it. As in she’s afraid to mention him?

      • Carmen says:

        Or she felt he was not worth a mention.

      • Brittney B. says:

        Or she knew Amy, not Scott, would get all the heat for the emails. Scott was already a known a-hole, didn’t work for Sony directly… and of course, isn’t a woman.

      • mia girl says:

        I don’t think she’s afraid. The guy said awful things about her. She shouldn’t dignify him with a mention. I’d do the same thing.

      • Colette says:

        He is not worth mentioning.

      • Neah23 says:

        Remember when Salma Hayek refused to refer to Trump by name in an interview after his comments about Mexicans. I think that’s what’s go here, it seems like she not going to waste her time acknowledging Rudin.

        People like Trump and Rudin hate to be ignored and love the sound of their own voices, so why feed into their egos and acknowledge them.

      • laura in LA says:

        Neah23, agreed. But I’d also add that Rudin’s comments were not at all surprising to anyone who knows his name. He is one arrogant, fat bastard.

        What was surprising is how weak and phony Pascal seemed. She and Rudin also sounded immature and stupid, like they were passing notes in middle school.

    • Samtha says:

      I find it really odd that everyone focuses on Pascal (bloggers, journalists, etc.), when Rudin is the one who said the worst things about Angelina.

      • Tiffany says:

        I think it was because Amy was president of Sony. With her position, it just looked bad.

      • Naya says:

        I’ve always thought that Amy was just in a terribly difficult position, trying to mollify two major Sony assets (Rudin is an extremely successful producer, one that other studios were no doubt looking to poach). in fact the reason Rudin was so upset was because Amy wasnt giving him exactly what he wanted. Its typical office politics on hyper drive. I’m glad Angie understood this.

    • really says:

      Smart people don’t give bullies attention- and, yes, she’s absolutely correct, it was a personal attack, which is why Rudin came off as so unhinged & completely unprofessional. Women are supposed to be the emotional ones who can’t deal with big boy issues bc of periods or menopause. More lies. Also, it’s very sad that someone like Angie, who does so much good in the world, has to get used to personal attacks. Angie’s always been so dignfied, mature, generous and kind- and, sadly, there are so many crazy jealous nasty types out there. And most of the attacks are from women who claim to be about girl power-ugh.

  2. eowyn says:

    Great interview.
    I like that she doesn’t sugarcoat her answers.

    • Loulou says:

      Agreed! That was really a pleasure to read.

    • V4Real says:

      I’m kind of happy she addressed it a bit. Some of her fans were saying that she hasn’t spoken about Sony gate because she was too classy to respond. Well now she did and no I don’t think this makes her less classy. But maybe people need to slow down on thinking they know everything about this woman and her husband. She just proved you don’t.

  3. Kaye says:

    I can sense people already gearing up to say how dowdy her dress is, how frumpy she looks. And I’m thinking, it’s not sheer! I believe she’s actually wearing a slip underneath it, a slip that goes all the way to the hem! Hallelujah.

    • Goats on the Roof says:

      I have no complaints regarding Angelina’s wardrobe. I’m an all-black-everything kinda lady myself, and I don’t hate the sack dresses. I was surprised to see her in this light color, but I think it looks nice on her.

      • LAK says:

        I’m an all black clothing person myself such that I have crisis when I have to attend light-hearted affairs where black would look out of place. LOL

        Going back to AJ, my thought went to Kate immediately – since she appears to be channelling AJ recently – this outfit and accessories would be perfect for her.

    • Korra says:

      I love her dresss. I think it looks great.

    • V4Real says:

      @Kaye, I can sense people already gearing up to say how dowdy her dress is, how frumpy she looks.

      “That was addressed on yesterday’s post.”

    • Holmes says:

      I love her dress. Luisa Beccaria can sometimes border on overly precious, but for the most part it’s a great line, with lots of “safe” choices – I can never understand why it’s not more popular amongst Hollywood types.

  4. Jayna says:

    LIke I said in the previous thread, I really enjoyed this interview with Angie.

  5. ramy says:

    luv her .The smartest lady in the industry

    • Saphana says:

      smartest lady or person in Hollywood is hardly a compliment. thats like saying “he is the most faithful man…in the NFL”

      • BESO says:

        Angelina is a true diplomat, and I bet 10 x out of 10 is the only grown up in the room. I think Brad is the same way which is why they suit. They dont sweat the small stuff.

  6. Itsnotthatserious says:

    When Amy Pascal said the first person she called was Angie and that she didn’t care, I thought she was just saying that. I guess she is a better human being than me.

  7. lucy2 says:

    Good, this was some of the stuff I’d hoped she’d talk about – the film, directing, etc.

    It’s hard for these celebs to answer stuff on the Sony hack, personal stuff about them becoming so public. Did anyone ask Adam Sandler about it last time he promoted one of his “films”? He was spoken about the most harshly, but I haven’t seen anyone ask him how that made him feel, just Jolie and Amy Adams on the pay problem.

  8. June says:

    Again, I like what she’s doing, trying to be an artist. Of course original “indie” fans would call it hypocrisy. I’d love to check what is going on in the film.

  9. karen2 says:

    …so much brange…if the sony hack is how one country gets back at another we can all rest easy…also why didnt they push back against that bril puppet movie…

  10. Armenthrowup says:

    Oh for the love of god, go away!

    • lisa2 says:

      Don’t read about her; that would be the first step for you sanity. Not hard to not read about people you don’t like.

      Besides.. ANGIE NOR BRAD are going anywhere for a long long time.

      • Brittney B. says:

        Haha, seriously… maybe instead of wishing they’d stop doing their jobs, you could… you know… stop going out of your way to read about them and look at their pictures.

      • V4Real says:

        Oh please let Armenthrowup have her say. Most of AJ’s fans on C/B don’t care for she who shall not be named but they still post on her articles to say negative things.

        It works both ways folks. If you don’t like AJ stay off her articles. If you don’t like she who shall not be named then stay off her post as well. And if you can’t resist clicking on the post of the celeb you don’t like then stop telling others to stay off the post of the celeb you do like. It’s almost a do as I say, not as I do around here.

      • Brittney B. says:

        V4Real… I’m pretty confused right now, because my post had nothing to do with silencing anyone or bashing/defending anyone else. It just seemed pretty counterproductive to click on a post about a couple, and then blame the couple for the fact that the post exists. Unsolicited negativity is pretty pointless… and frankly, toxic.

        (And by the way, I’m a card-carrying Brangeloonie who has nothing bad to say about any of their former partners.. well, maybe except Gwyneth. I’ve followed Angie’s career since the 90′s. Please don’t assume that everyone who likes her is automatically part of a specific group of commenters. Her influence — and everyone’s really — extends far beyond outdated, petty, sexist triangle BS. I side-eye all comments that bring unrelated people up for no reason… yours included.)

      • V4Real says:

        “stop going out of your way to read about them and look at their pictures”

        Pretty much the same as telling people to stop clicking on articles of people they don’t like. My comment was a blanketed comment so I guess you’re telling on yourself.

        “I’ve followed Angie’s career since the 90′s”

        So what, so have I but I’m a fan not a Brangeloonie. I can say negative as well as positive things about celebs I like.

    • june says:

      She goes “away” for months at a time, not being photographed etc. Their family does a great job of not being photographed for the most part.

      She needs to promote her film, not like she does monthly interviews about her hair & water drinking habits!!!! She at least has some substance.

    • Samtha says:

      You in danger, girl!

  11. neer says:

    Based on the hacked emails I read through the news, it’s AJP who acted more professional than the two (Rudin & Pascal). Her dealings with them was business-like. Formal and who really meant business. Honest. Expressed her thoughts & feelings well. Whereas, the two were like children. Couldn’t believe they are grown-ups holding high positions in the industry where they belong to. However, it was AJP who was really the main “attraction” when the news was spread maybe due to her immense popularity. She was more like the victim of their vicious attack & unfair judgement. Fast forward, many things had happened. Many changes in Rudin & Pascal’s career or position. It’s only now that AJP talked about it though in passing only, taking the high road instead.

    I am amazed by her concern for Pascal despite how she was treated. Her kindness is one of a kind. You know, it’s only Karma who can really “get” the person who wronged another.

    SEXISM & EMAIL leaks… two of the most sensitive topics in Hollywood.

    I’ve always wondered what are her thoughts about these topics especially that many celebs are beginning to talk about feminism, equality on talent fees & the like. Most of them came out hypocritical in their POVs mainly because it seems they are only doing that to promote their projects. They didn’t even say anything during the time AJP was really the center of the controversy (though no fault of AJP of course). It seems they are only talking to serve their interests, not really to help in general.

    With AJP, her opinions were very well-thought out and even acknowledging that she had good opportunities BUT doesn’t mean she will just sit around & do nothing. Her way of helping is by giving opportunities to lesser but talented individuals, to open the doors for them as well.

    IMO, probably she refused to say about the email leaks at the time because she knew that was the very HOT topic then & she knew once she start talking about it, people would only be interested in discussing about it and not the movie she’s promoting (Unbroken). Besides, maybe she was still SURPRISED, maybe HURT and PROCESSING HER EMOTIONS & THOUGHTS about it then. Now that several months have passed, she’s ready but not the kind of vindictive reply (soundbites/ controversial statements) the public is expecting from her. I like her response, the kind of answer that would make the people who wronged her to be feeling guilty somehow. AJP is really different but in a very good way.

  12. Gabrielle says:

    I’m sorry, I like what she said about some things, but I feel ike her answer about Pascal sounded fake.

    • tracking says:

      I also wondered if it was true (she looked so mad/cold in that widely circulated photo of their first encounter after the leak), but think she is smart and diplomatic. As a woman, extra important for her survival in Hollywood.

    • KellyBee says:

      In one of Amy’s first statement after the hack Amy said that she was in contact with Jolie and that they were fine, so yes I believe her.

    • Shitake says:

      I’ll never be a Brangeloonie but I believe AJ. She comes across as totally honest and genuine in all her interviews. You’ve been through a lot – your mother’s death; seeing the frontlines of the refugee problem, etc – you’re not worrying about petty things like that. But smart PR move for her to start talking about it the first time while promoting her movie.

  13. What's inside says:

    I think she is very evolved at this point though it is sometimes difficult to forget the crazy of the past. However that being said, I think that having a family has grounded her and strengthened her in the most amazing way. She is obviously an ectomorph and focuses on the mind, more than the body. Now if she would just let somebody do something about the endless black fixation on red carpets and such and ban that shade of blue as a fashion choice. It doesn’t work for her and it sure didn’t work for the Duchess.

  14. Moon says:

    I love Angie’s feminism. Because she doesn’t sit around bitching about how it’s so unfair for her like all the other privileged women, she just highlights the situation, doesn’t whine about herself and uses her influence to help other women. That is feminism. Not the other whiners and especially not Miley or swifty.

  15. serena says:

    I just love that there are new interviews of them! Bringing up my Brangeloonie badge again! :’)