A few days ago, Page Six had an “exclusive” about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. I didn’t cover it because I thought, “We already know this.” Us Weekly reported a few days after Christmas that Brad “did see the kids at some point for a holiday gift exchange…[he] gave them presents and it was cordial,” at least according to Us Weekly’s “insider.” Considering his team was seemingly complaining ahead of Christmas that he probably wouldn’t even get to see the kids, it seemed like a small moment of togetherness. As for what Page Six wrote… this is how they framed it:
Angelina Jolie only let estranged husband Brad Pitt have one short supervised visit with their kids during the holidays, sources exclusively tell Page Six.
Again, Angelina is not “letting” Brad do anything. The visits between Brad and the kids are still being determined by the therapist, who is listening to what the kids want/are comfortable with. Well, I thought the Page Six piece was just a one-off, but no. Yesterday, People Magazine also had a story about how little time Brad got with the kids. Subtext: Angelina is a monster who controls this entire situation! The Leg is all-powerful!
Brad Pitt saw his children over the Christmas holiday, amid his ongoing divorce battle with Angelina Jolie. A source tells PEOPLE that the actor had one visit with several of the younger kids. Pitt, 53, and Jolie, 41, have a voluntary temporary custody agreement in place that allows the actor supervised visitation with the children.
Jolie, 41, spent the New Year with their six children — Maddox, 15, Pax, 13, Zahara, 11, Shiloh, 10, and twins Knox and Vivienne, 8 — in Crested Butte, Colorado. The family was seen hitting the slopes and touring the city together. Pitt was not spotted on the trip with his estranged wife, or their kids.
It’s news that Brad only got to see “several of the younger kids.” My guess is that Pax and Maddox still don’t want to see him, although that’s just been the story that the tabloids have pushed (and we don’t know for sure). It’s not news that Brad only got to see the younger kids once though. After Christmas, Angelina jetted off to Colorado for a snowy and ice-creamy good time. Again – the therapist is determining the supervised visits and when they happen. Not Angelina.
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So? This is all because of his behavior.
Right?? And I love how his team is trying to spin this. The real story here is “several of Brad Pitt’s kids want absolutely nothing to do with him still.”
I read a theory that his comments to Maddox may have been adoption-related, so I could imagine the adopted kids are probably still pretty angry.
That’s a theory, or rather what someone imagined could have happened with no basis in fact. As an adopted child, I personally find that putting it out there that a parent who adopts cares less for that child than those born of their own blood, extremely offensive. And in this case, bordering on racism or reverse racism depending on who is saying it, since the genetic kids are white and the adopted kids are not.
From my point of view, it’s far more likely that Maddox, who let’s not forget, is a teenager, may have slung the “you’re not my real father” at Pitt in anger. I did that once to my Dad as a teenager, not because I ever thought or meant that he wasn’t my Dad, but because I was angry and wanted to hurt him. I later apologized because I felt like crap for even having said that. Pitt may have reacted, if that had actually been said, far less calmly than my Dad did. But it’s a hurtful thing to say. And I knew it when I said it. And that’s why I said it. Teenagers can be, pardon my french, assholes at times. We’ve all been there and I’m sure everyone can remember having been, at some point in their teenage years, less than a perfect child. It’s all part and parcel of creating your own identity, ratjer than being an “appendage” of your parents.
@FELICIA
Wow now you’re blaming the kid
I am adopted too and have had family members says things to me like it is “not the same” when talking about family in my presence. On one occasion my older sister (then 52!) told my partner when she met him for the first time that I was not really her sister because I was adopted. People of all ages are jerks.
And in the initial statement to People magazine Pitts pr put it out there that he went “nose to nose” with his son, that statement was then swiftly amended. So lets not blame a minor child to protect an adult who should know how to control himself.
I have seen this “theory” on every post I’ve read! THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS ‘THEORY”….THEORY = MADE UP STORY! There has never been any evidence that Brad treats his adopted kids any different or loves them any less than he does his bio kids! I find this “story” much worse than Brad putting his hands on Maddox. I know parents who have snapped for a second, when their teenager was being a smart mouth. It’s wrong, but it happens, and Brad, kinda, sorta, admitted to it. But, suggesting that, he may have said “you’re not my real kid” or some such crap when NO ONE knows what was said or what really happened on that plane, is so much more hurtful, IMO…
One of those children could read what you say, Runcmc.
How can you even think of putting such speculation on a public forum? Whether it’s true, not true or just off with the larks, this type of public speculation is nothing less than abuse of children.
If something ever happened to put my family in the news headlines and my children were exposed to fantasy speculation about themselves all over the internet, I would never forgive the people who abused them in this way. It’s bloody outrageous. You should be ashamed.
It doesn’t matter WHAT happened. What happened should be dealt with privately by the courts, state protection agencies and qualified therapeutic and social work professionals.
Err… Zahara is adopted and she seemed to have no qualms visiting Brad.
Here’s a theory… given that Maddox and Pax are usually paired together, while the youngest, including Knox, are together, maybe when Brad adminsters discipline, it’s usually Maddox and Pax. I rarely see Knox with his older brothers, therefore he not in the mix when something happens, assuming stuff happens that warrants intervention. Maybe there’s a misperception of favorite by virtue of being biologically linked that’s also in play.
@FA: I have no idea what comment you read, but Felicia is absolutely NOT blaming the kids! Simply providing some context based on personal experience. Jesus 🙄
All this theory crafting bs being spewed out is just dumb. People making up stories about what they don’t know, or stating things as fact as if they were there. Stop it.
You’re missing the point here. “Someone” who wasn’t there came up with the “theory” that Pitt said something that there is no evidence of him having said. None…zero.
I’m not “blaming” anyone because this whole “theory”, as I pointed out, is made up in the head of someone who wasn’t there and has no more idea of what went on than you or I. I also find the undertones of “white genetic kids” vs “not white adopted kids” disgusting. I very much doubt that either of them even notice the skin color of their kids.
I’m speaking from personal experience, mine and my 2 adopted siblings, both of whom at some point in their teenage years, did or said something similar. I’m sorry if it bothers you, but unless you’re adopted, it’s maybe hard to understand the mindset. I have no idea of the mindset of a genetic child who grew up in their genetic family, because I’m not one. All I can say is that there is are times that you idealize what your “real parents” are like, especially when you are pissed off at your parents.
@ Zapp: let me ask you this, did your parents ever say that sort of thing to you? I don’t know where you’re from, but I know for a fact that the screening for adoptive parents where I’m from is a long and difficult process. I KNOW my parents wanted me, it’s a lot harder to adopt that it is to conceive (for most people). As to your sister, she’s using that as a weapon and she sounds jealous. She’d have probably found a different weapon to use were you her genetic sister. My also adopted older sister (54) regularly slings all sorts of bs at me that seriously makes me wonder how she even comes up with this stuff.
Sixer, I agree. Strongly.
More and more I am getting the feeling that what went down on that plane was not something that Brad did but something that he said. Words can do a lot more lasting damage than blows can sometimes, and some words are unforgivable.
It’s like a never ending supply of recycling stories from sources of both sides. 😫😫😑
I don’t know…. For some reason, and I really have no basis for this, things just aren’t adding up with this whole situation. I don’t buy the abusive drug addict thing. Nor do I think she is an evil witch trying to pin things on him. I just can’t peg this whole dynamic…
The truth is somewhere in the middle, I guess…
When it becomes he said/she said, as this has become, it the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I wish it would all just stop!
I’m betting the truth doesn’t lay in the middle (a tired cliche) but somewhere OUTSIDE the tabloid narratives the rags and or “leaks” are feeding us.
My theory is that both Angie and Brad are, due to the circumstances of being POWERFUL celebrities, forced to engage in a two track strategy regarding a very private matter. They can’t help it. It isn’t just their careers that risk being tarnished; there are other people’s money, career’s, reputation and futures that HAVE to be considered. it’s been years now since either of them were just mere actors. So the truth of the matter is, this is mostly about their family but it isn’t just about their family. That’s the filter I use for whatever gets leaked or reported. The thing is that actually makes it even more difficult to parse truth from fiction.
It might be a tired cliche. But IMO, despite their fame—they are both still a human with feelings like any other couple that are in the middle of a messy divorce.
There should be no explosion of a mess like this—if both of them have also other matters that are important to protect beside their family.
They would handle it in a business-like way and more private. It would benefit them both better since they get to keep their image intact in public.
But, this drama between them that has been presented to us, showing me the opposite. A lot of feelings involved in their actions. So I still think that sometimes there’s truth in old cliche.
Yeah agreed…I think the truth is definitely in the middle somewhere. We’re not getting anything useful out of these stories – theyre just recycling the same vague garbage.
Yea, I agree with this. I think something happened, I just don’t know what that “something” is.
agree 1000 %
the truth is probably one word: LAWYERS.
I’d bet my tiny pay check that if these folks didn’t have the cash and the celebrity, the whole thing would be played out very differently (although of course this happens in all family courts – not just in the glaring public eye). i kind of hope neither of them is ‘stratagizing’ but you can bet your bottom dollar that their ‘teams’ are playing a winner take all game. All the s..t that’s in the tabloids? either made up or ‘leaked’ by ‘sources’ who are not brad and ange. at least, i’d like to hope that they are better parents than to deliberately try to disparage the other parent of their children in such a noxious and hurtful way.
if they were really good parents, they would QUIETLY and QUICKLY work out a fair access/custody arrangement. I’ve said it before, the children should be encouraged to love and see both parents (who up until the big plane thing were supposedly the paragons of good parents) and if the older kids don’t want this, well that’s fine too (see Madonna and her son). But the longer this is drawn out, the more these kids will suffer.
And i know people will say ‘well it is brads fault. Well, i work every day in the family law courts. and there’s lots of dads i think are jerks. but the kids only have one dad, and they love that one dad, and if that dad doesn’t want to hang out with them, and/or the mom tries to put obstacles in the way of the relationship, it IS the kids who suffer. Doesn’t matter if i think he’s a jerk. Jerk is still their dad. Three or four visits over four or five months does not a healthy and happy relationship make.
AS for the therapist ‘approving’ everything…i’ve had mixed experiences with this kind of scenerio too. I’ve seen an over-bearing, money dispensing father put pressure on a therapist to the point that the therapist started taking direction from him and making what in my opinion was punitive decisions against a mother trying to re-establish some normality in her access with her non-custodial kids.
we really don’t know whats going on with brad and angeline. and that includes me. but the facts of it – very few visits over four months – don’t sound too good.
when my sister got divorced, she made it her mission NEVER to bad mouth her ex in front of the kids (even though lord save us he was a douche). I really respected her for that. He was a yeller, but his kids loved him. however, at a push, they probably would have stopped seeing him if she really manipulated them. but now they are older, some of them are very close to him, and some of them have made peace not being close to him. but they can’t blame her and neither can the douche
agree 1000 %
Totally agree Moe!!!
This probably sounds a bit dense but do we absolutely know for certain that it is the therapist who is deciding visitation? I know in the published emails Wasser said something about wanting to hear what the therapist recommended but I’m not sure that is the same as the therapist having power over when and how Pitt sees the kids.
Where are our helpful lawyers, eg @anna and @lindsey?
ETA: question asked and answered below. Thanks @lindsay.
These therapists have only short-term interim power. Once he modifies the order, therapy may be ordered by the court, but it is highly irregular to have therapists decide visitation. The court will likely allow unsupervised visits while they hash out permanent custody, but if the court decides to continue monitored visits, either the court would assign a monitor or they could assign a family member or nanny for instance to monitor. For what it’s worth, IMO, these kids are not traumatized any more than any of the other millions of kids in the U.S. are in cases of divorce. When my parents divorced when I was 9, it was sad and difficult and had a life-long impact on me and our family, I wouldn’t use the word trauma. What happens if there is ever a real trauma in there lives? What will that be called. Don’t try to convince these kids that they are traumatized…they are very impressionable. We are healing and daddy is working on some issues but he loves you very much.
It sucks, but sometimes you have let your kids figure it out on their own. Unless there’s straight up abuse taking place, obviously.
This is such a great comment, moe.
Well, that’s wrong. Why give so much control to a therapist. My dad was an idiot to me, but at some point wanted him to at least had a good memory of him but never did. So it’s sad to see when someone wants to be with their kids but can’t.
huh??
No. What’s sad is he did something to cause his children to not want to be with him. And it’s sad for them, not him. Maybe your dad was just an idiot and you eventually felt sorry for him. You have no idea what Brad Pitt is like as a dad, and his behavior- whatever it was – is probably still pretty fresh for his older kids.
@Emily Ever heard of a thing called forgiveness? Is it not possible to heal a terrible breakdown in family dynamic? Should Brad (who, by all accounts, is a great father who made some big mistakes) not be given the opportunity to heal his relationships with his children privately?
@Meadowlarky
I know this is a gossip blog and we make assumptions all the time on the private lives of people we dont even know but COME ON. The fact that CPS and the FBI was involved means that SOMETHING happened. Just because he was cleared does not mean that he is an angel and didnt do some sort of damage – hence the psychologist stepping in.
I dont think this is as simple as a situation as ‘brad was a meanie pie’ he did something that was damaging to the children which we may never know, therefore, the situation is complicated and perhaps one visit during Christmas is all the kids are ready for now….
By whose accounts? Angelina’s? Wives have never lied to cover up their husbands’ bad behavior? Of course it’s possible to heal a family, but why are we expecting teenagers/children to forgive their father when it’s been a few months since whatever thing happened that required intervention from CPS, the FBI, and a therapist? Who’s to say if it was one isolated bad incident or the latest in a long pattern of bad incidents? We have no clue. So it seems weird to me that because Brad is claiming he wants more time with the kids, people are like “awww, come on, he’s such a good dad!” And frankly, I can think off the top of my head of plenty of reasons dads who have made lots of big mistakes should not be allowed to be alone with their kids.
@Mousyb I didn’t mean to suggest the family shouldn’t be in therapy– I think that makes perfect sense during a tense divorce and for the huge fight on the plane. If you re-read my original comment, you’ll see that I consider this situation to be horrible and that Brad damaged his relationship with his kids (assuming what’s been in the media). It is significant that cps was brought in, but once he was cleared, he has as much parental right as Angelina. And if he wants more opportunities to heal this thing, he should be allowed to do so. Parents can make mistakes, even really big ones, and still be allowed access to their kids. That’s why joint custody is very probably going to occur in this case.
It’s sad for everyone, honestly. Even the person who’s fault it is. It doesn’t at all validate their bad behavior, but most people aren’t just clear-cut “bad” people. A lot of the time, they’re damaged in some way or another and that’s sad. Whether it’s addiction, or mental illness, poor coping mechanisms, or the product of their own crappy upbringing – it’s sad. It never excuses what they choose to do, but it doesn’t mean that they’re not hurting too.
I think the main thing is doing what you need to do to have peace with it. If you need to cut someone out because there’s no other option – sometimes you need to do that. There are some people who are just genuinely terrible, and have no remorse. But there are a lot of people who WERE great people at one point, and for whatever reason, things changed. If they’re willing to work on it, and are taking actual steps to do so, sometimes it’s better for your own mental well being to allow the relationship to continue – even if it’s in a very reduced version of what it used to be.
Of course, every situation is different. But in this case, I really don’t think he’s a 100% bad person. I think he’s a person who has made some terrible choices, and who has hurt a lot of people in the process – but if he’s recognized that, and can dedicate himself into repairing at least some of the damage he’s done, then good. It’ll take time. It could take A LOT of time, and his relationship with his kids may never be what it once was. But if he does really care about maintaining a relationship with his kids and helping them heal from his actions, then that’s a good sign in my book.
@Emily Of course none of us really know the truth of this couple’s entire relationship, I’m just going off of what has been said in the correspondence between the lawyers, official public statements, and a decade of what both have said in interviews. You could be right, and Brad has been an aggressive, mean drunk and/or terrible father this whole time.
What I’m saying is that–despite the apparent magnitude of this plane incident– Brad was cleared, he’s been wanting more time with his kids, and i don’t see why that should no longer be his right. I definitely don’t think the kids should be forced to forgive (is that even possible?), but everyone should be given a reasonable chance to heal things. And I personally don’t believe the current custodial arrangement is conducive to healing, nor do I believe a judge will once they go to court.
This is turning into a novel, but I just felt the need to ask some of the people in these post why they think family dynamics are so black and white? Surely there aren’t any actual villains or saints in this whole situation. People get divorced all the time, and parents fuck up all the time. It doesn’t have to mean the end of a family.
Why are people acting like this has being going on for years.It has been three and a half months since the plane incident.
@Meadowlarky – I think my point is that maybe there are no saints, but it’s possible there’s a villain. If you screw up as a parent, I just don’t agree that wanting to fix it is always enough reason to be allowed to fix it. CPS lets people get away with a lot of terrible things – not even just egregious abuse. Being cleared doesn’t mean you’re a good parent, or even a satisfactory parent. I think your view is more black and white: dad screwed up, wants another chance, mom should give it to him. If he screwed up, why is he in such a hurry? His older children especially will be able to see “okay, Dad is really changing/giving me space by respecting what I want/trying to get along with mom”. Parents do get divorced all the time – and plenty of kids are forced to spend a very limited time with one or both parents over the holidays (for the holidays my husband saw his dad on Christmas Day, and that was it, and they had a great relationship and his parents were very amicably divorced). Unless it comes out that Angelina really IS all these horrible things, and the incident on the plane was so minor that it was laughed off by CPS and the FBI (doubtful because Brad initially put it out that he was drinking and didn’t hit Maddox “in the face”. Purposefully specific wording), I’m just never going to buy the argument that he deserves more time with his kids just because he wants them. Just to say – plenty of abusers want their abusees around all the time! And I’m not even accusing Brad of abuse. I’m saying based on facts we actually know, there also isn’t a lot of evidence that he isn’t at least a little abusive (and before you bring up CPS again…google it. They leave kids in way less than desirable situations all the time, as a matter of course).
@Emily I see where you’re coming from. Please know that I don’t think Angelina is being horrible at all, nor do I think anything about the plane incident should be laughed off. The breakdown in this marriage is clearly serious and sad. As for everything else you address… I mean, if you don’t think a parent who fucks up in the way Brad did (getting inappropriately physical in some way during a fight with his teenage son) doesn’t deserve to fix his relationship with his family… I guess we’re just not going to see eye to eye.
I know cps doesn’t have a perfect track record with deciding whether or not a parent is fit, so if it turns out Brad is an abuser, I hope it comes out in court, And I hope the judge does limit Brad’s custodial rights. My point is that, so far, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that Brad is abusive. And given that he was cleared, I think the custody arrangement should have changed to reflect that his parental rights are intact. Not to say that there isn’t a lot of work to be done on his part. But, I understand if you don’t think he should have that right. Luckily, it’s a judge who will help decide, and the commenters on CB are relieved of these duties 😉
Because therapist is the one who is supposed to advocate for the kids. They are minors and can´t do it for themselves effectively.
I think there is a difference between being “cleared” and the case “being closed”. As far as we know, Pitt’s case was closed. If someone can steer me to the actual wording of being cleared by both the FBI and DFCS, I surely would appreciate it. I’m also a little dense about him never mentioning “visiting” with the older children. Don’t they matter? And no, Pity doesn’t owe the public anything, but it would be nice if he’d acknowledge the mother of his children by saying he’s sorry for the conduct which started this whole process. Even if they were thinking about divorce up until that point, I don’t think I or anyone else for that matter, knew anything about an upcoming divorce. I hope I’m wrong and Pity really wants to see his children. I do remember a magazine article (I do believe) where he said he could only take four of the kids at one time anyway. Six was too many for him to handle. I hope I’m wrong also about his having to win at all cost and he’s doing this more for his PR than anything else.
If the older kids don’t want to see him, they shouldn’t be forced to. Full stop. Healing takes time and cannot be forced. I’ve had times in my life when I didn’t see or talk to to one of my parents due to them fucking up when I was a teenager. Both relationships eventually recovered, but it took way more than a few months for that. And both times I decided to have more contact again in my own and I doubt that we would have the pretty good relationship we have now, if I had been forced to see them before I was ready.
If 2016 taught us nothing, it’s that misogyny and a lack of faith/trust/belief in women is alive and well….
It’s a mans world. Sigh.
Oh yeah – Angelina gave one statement, Brad has smeared her multiple times and yet they are both equally evil.
Hillary had emails and Trump said several horrible things and yet, they are both evil.
Amber is a gold digger and Depp is an abuser and yet she deserves it for being a gold digger.
I could go on and on but it will just depress me more.
It´s because people WANT to believe that the world is a just one. It is easier to think that both parties are at fault than to admit that sometimes bad things happen to good people for no reason. That is why victim blaming and protecting abusers by “not taking sides” because “moral high ground” continue to be popular.
I especially love how in Brangelina´s case it is all in the name of “but think of the children”… If it really were about the kids, everyone would be okay with giving them time to freaking heal. It´s not even like it´s been long time since nose-to-nose plane event. Brad will have plenty of time to see his children whenever they are ready.
I am so tired of hearing about his “Pity” Party. This is the consequence of his own action. IMO if he had made a statement right after the incident stating “he was sincerely sorry for the hurtful actions caused to his wife and children and was undergoing treatment to right this wrong”, all of this might (and I say might) have been avoided. Pity acted like he did nothing wrong and never dissed the mother of his children. But as a Golden Boy, God or whomever who walks on water, he probably thinks he didn’t. It is all that evil Angie’s fault. I remember Pity giving the statement that he got away with more than he should have in his younger days. Maybe karma is catching up with him. I’m probably going to have to quit reading about him, cause I sure am tired of reading his whine.
I’m not disagreeing that Hillary, Amber, Angie are commonly unfairly attacked for made-up nonsense. But you should be careful to not throw out non-factual information yourself. It hurts your credibility.
”Angelina gave one statement, Brad has smeared her multiple times” is not the truth and I know you have followed this well enough to know that.
You said it girl!
Respectively I implore you: Please please don’t conflate the horrible misoginistic year that was trump 2016 with this situation of family breakdown. It does a huge disservice to all us feminists. Just like conflating depp’s domestic abuse against Amber heard and this situation does a disservice to herself and all dv survivors. It gives sexist trump lovers et al ammunition to say ‘ah well it’s all men ye bitches hate.’ (Gotta say that with my irish accent to get the full effect).
And I do say that respectfully because I understand the sentiment.
Moe:
thanks for condescension, I wasn’t even speaking of Trump and that mess.
@Moe
I get what you are saying and I appreciate your viewpoints!!!
This whining through tabloids is getting childish, he signed an agreement he should follow the therapists rules or else go to the court and ask the judge that he get his 50/50 joint custody or else shut up complaining, the world saw the agreement and it clearing said the therapists control the schedule not angelina
Pretty sure going to court for 50/50 custody is what he’ll do the very second the case is (likely) sealed on the 17th. I agree, they. It’s should cool it with the media jabs until then.
This story has legs. What is this, the third thread on the same subject. They are the new Kardashians.
It’s because of the clicks and comments. I confess I now come in here just for the comment festival.
Yep! The last two threads were very popular, so I’ll assume this one will be too. We’re reading recycled stories now.
@Bluhare
That’s for sure!!! Waiting for the lectures and novellas to start in 3,2,1…
Festival, yeah. Or maybe “orgy” is a better word.
Yeah Lahdidahbaby-seems more like a circle jerk if you ask me.
The level of fanfiction is astounding.
Pure entertainment! 🙂
Maybe we will see Angelina in a similar series like “Kate Plus 8” lol.
@Amy
Out of that 3-person triangle…
Angelina is the only Oscar winning actor (nom’d twice, her 3rd award is a Herscholt Oscar), i really don’t think she does TV like Brad or his ex, the tv sit com ensemble lady who does those TV commercials for eye drops and drug store eczema lotion.
I read Brad’s ex, sit com lady is considering a move back to TV like her unknown struggling actor husband, who has a TV series. That balding guy who was in rock of ages. Terrible comedy movie I saw once on a red eye flight.
I think the so called “stigma” of movies vs TV is a thing of the past.
Meryl Streep does TV. Julia Roberts just signed on for something on TV. The list is very long of Oscar winners who do both movies and TV these days.
@almondmilk..
What TV has Brad done outside of Producing. Not talking about early work and that ONE appearance on that show. Brad has never talked against TV. In fact his production company is producing a lot of interesting things on TV. And Angie would do well to not discount TV. Some amazing work to be had there. In front and behind the camera.
Angelina is just too talented for TV, being Hollywood royalty, a humanitarian and a friend of politicians and the like. She’d nevvvvver sink to such a low level!!
I’d rather watch Game of Thrones over almost any movie out there. There really are some outstanding TV series out there now.
@Nancy, 100% agreed…. though I’m not surprised at all by the divorce, I am a little surprised they have gone as low as they have – publicly (thought it had the potential to be nasty but private).
@Bluhare: yeah me too. I’m amazed at how much time and effort and devotion is invested in the lives of two average actors people don’t even know.
Enjoyed the ‘passionate discourse’ here; now off to living my life…. which, today, starts with snow shoveling. 😉
He really really should focus on thé relationship with his kids especially Maddox. I hope he is doing that. it’s sad all the fighting via press between B and À but the most important thing is those boys who don’t wanna talk to him.
He can’t fix anything with those boys if he literally never gets to see them. Not even apologize properly, and that’s how it is.
If he wanted to apologize “properly”, why didn’t he do it when this circus first started?
Maybe he was depending on Angelina to maintain the silence she has employed with the press for the past 12 years?
+1 @GoOnGirl (slow clap)
@LadyD your comment doesn’t even make sense.
So because Angelina said the ‘health of her family’ Brad can’t apologize to his sons?!
Also, what silence has Angelina employed? She is the most forthright interview out there. She has talked about all her personal struggles, since she was an adolescent. Most of the stuff the press wouldn’t even know about had she not discussed it first herself. See BRCA1 gene, her surgeries, her cutting, etc.
I don’t doubt she’ll do the same at some point regarding what happened to their family.
No almond, I meant Brad thought he could say whatever he wanted about her because he is aware of her habit of not engaging the press. You know, he could say ‘she won’t let me see the kids @ Thanksgiving’, and she would say nothing different publicly to correct him, because she doesn’t talk to the press, so he can say whatever he wants about her.
My apologies @LadyD, i get your point (it’s a good one) now.
It’s crazy how much weight he lost. He looks good though.
stress, combined with “drying out”, I think. I recall several comments on this site about how bloated he looked over the past year or two. likely “alcohol bloat”, which would support the claims that he’s been drinking more heavily over the past couple of years.
He looks better then he has in a long time. I’m guessing the drug and alcohol testing has something to do with that.
100%….he looks way better.
Since he’s only taking care of him, Pity has all the time in the world “to look good”. What is when he’s not throwing his wife and two oldest sons under the bus.
Ugh, having worked in the legal system long enough to see more than a few divorces my heart breaks for these kids. Divorce is never easy, never good, but I’ve seen plenty that were friendly, cooperative, and minimally disruptive to the kids. This though? This is horrendous. It could be years before they are successfully co-parenting…if ever! The repercussions for these poor kids are going to be considerable.
The therapists follow a schedule visit that will increase in January and February, they are considering the kids wellbeing before the father demand
There is no way that Angelina OR the therapists would be able to withhold access to the kids unless Brad had done something legitimately sketchy/harmful. Why else would the court sign off on an uneven custody agreement, and why on earth would Brad agree to it? And why would therapists be limiting his access? I mean the whole she-witch narrative may be entertaining, but this shit doesn’t add up.
Child molesters and abusers still have access to their kids. This whole situation is sketchy and I’m not buying it.
Higher profile, more expensive and powerful attorneys. Us little people don’t have as much clout with our small time judicial systems. Plus, with evidence something went down the courts will go with an abundance of caution in the intermediate until the actual hearing. Had there been no reason for an FBI and DCFS investigation the judge may have been more lenient to Brad. Considering these two parents are not willing to negotiate privately, a hearing will happen and a judge will make a ruling based on the evidence and testimony submitted in court. It’s pretty standard. It’s just being blown out of proportion due to the publicity around it.
The court didn’t really sign off on it exactly. It was a private agreement made between the two parties before the divorce and custody is finalized. He can ask the court to step in and make a custody schedule that reflects the fact that he was cleared in the investigations and is more equitable. They will listen to both sides and any professional opinion but unless he did something unimaginably awful he will get joint custody. Courts don’t like granting sole custody in a contested case unless it’s completely unresonable or unsafe. Private, uncontested agreements can be pretty uneven but if both parents are happy and it isn’t unsafe the courts generally won’t step in to mediate until they are asked by either party.
I think people forget a Judge has not listened to this case at all. They had a private agreement, that they signed when the investigations were in progress. There was a stipulation that it could be changed in the court. Then Angie filed that with the court to stop Brad from contesting it. Brad countered. They have now agreed to seal the docs related to custody. So I think he will go to the court to have the agreement changed. He may even request the court to assign other therapist to assess the children. In all it is a good chance it will be amended and he will get 50/50 visitation. I hope the Judge makes them go into Mediation. And force them to actually talk to each other. Because how can you expect the kids to heal and accept this when they know Mom and Dad are not talking to each other.
@Clare +1000 you make too much sense, just stop already. Lol prepare to be not listened to.
@Dani i didn’t speak fast enuf. Lol …and here we are. First of all, Child molesters and abusers if they’ve been registered and convicted of such do NOT have access to children. I’m at a loss why people keep bringing this bizarre talking point up. If it has happened, everyone would admit it’s a horrifying mistake that usually ends up with the death or injury of a child(children) at which point social workers and whoever else may have dropped the ball, are prosecuted or fired or both.
That said, i don’t even get your purpose. Are you saying that because social workers and prosecutors may have dropped the ball on a molester, that should mean Brad Pitt gets auto absolved of any bad behavior he may have done and the children need to go against therapist and court recommendations while Brad is in this modified rehab program?
Does that make any sense at all to you?
Please stop with the nonsensical hyperbole. It serves no one.
“Modified rehab program”? What is that? Not actually being in a clinic? Travelling and working as usual? There’s no agreement, no proof, no nothing that points to Brad being in rehab.
January 17th can’t come soon enough. The constant back and forth in the press…the sniping at each other…I hope the Judge puts a gag order on the both of them. We get it…you hate each other. Neither of them are doing themselves any favors with this sort of back and forth. Just stop.
Even if the judge did that, they’d still be able to put info out through “sources” like they’re doing now. It really is sad and damaging for the kids.
Brad’s pity party through the media is really off putting. I can understand if he feels the situation is unfair, but putting out these sob stories is not helping. Meet the obligations of the current agreement and work with the courts for more equal time.
This isn’t new info Bradley. I feel like if we’re going to keep Groundhog Day-ing these posts can we at least get a pic of Bill Murray at the end?
Why not a pic of a groundhog?
How about we compromise with Bill Murray driving with the Groundhog on his lap from that film?
I love the PROP ice cream cone The Ice Queen has in her hand. She’s obviously carrying that for the kid in the camo. Anyone paying attention to her knows she hasn’t eaten THAT many calories in a year, let alone in one sitting. That’s some funny $shit.
Ice Queen? She is certainly not an Ice Queen! And we don’t know what she eats, we’re not with her. Sounds more like thin-shaming/jealousy to me.
don’t feed the trolls.
The therapist’s supposed power (I don’t buy it) will probably be dropped after their court date. They are going to have to start co-parenting soon or these kids are going to be all jacked up about their dad.
Yep and despite the files being sealed we will still hear all about it.
This whole “the therapists decide visitation” bit sounds disingineous to me. I’m no lawyer, and could be wrong, but I have the impression the therapist just makes recommendations. It’s the parents, jointly, who decide if any changes are to be made to the temporary custody agreement. In practice, this gives the person who has the kids all the power. Angelina can just refuse changes, and her lawyer’s correspondence proves she IS refusing. On what grounds, we don’t know. It doesn’t necessarily have to be based on what the therapists currently think at all.
Whoever is giving these tidbits to the press, seriously…just stop. Let these kids get over the break up of their family quietly and peacefully. Not everything needs to be publicized, regardless of who did what.
So Us Weekly published an article about this last year – that he met some of their kids – and People Magazine copies this now two weeks after Christmas – okay. I remember when People used to be a reliable source, now they all just copy and paste from each other.
I don’t believe any of the tabloids including People.Us and Page Six claimed he saw “his kids” They never mentioned he didn’t say all his kids.People Magazine claimed he saw some of the younger kids.How difficult would it be to say he saw three kids or four kids .If they were really an inside source they wouldn’t be so vague,IMO.
@BJ: It seems you can’t believe/trust anyone anymore nowadays.
Or they are concerned for the kids privacy… JK LOL. These sources, real and fictional, care about money and scoring points to the detriment of everything else.
I don’t even think that some of these sources exist, the magazines just claim they have some sources, it’s not like somebody asks them: “Who is your source?”
People Magazine hasn’t been credible IMO for a long time. They did basically turn into a tabloid.
I gave up on People when they started printing all of Kelly Rutherford’s lies, not to mention 700 stories on the heartbreaking cancer dying/death of Joey Feek. They just went too far.
Brad and Angelina always said they don’t care what other people think about them but both sides are leaking stories to the press which shows they do care.
They sure do. That being said everyone in HWood cares. Even régular people do care about other people opinions so…
Oh, please! THe power of these therapists is being completely over-stated. Angelina could easily allow Brad to see the kids more, she just doesn’t want to. I understand her reasons for that, but let’s not pretend like she and Brad signed all they’re parental power over to a group of therapists. Come on…
ok, so this is the exact thing I was wondering. I understand that the therapists decide when and how long Pitt can visit with the kids, and that it was all done through the courts.
however, IF Jolie was OK with them spending time together and basically said “F what the therapists are saying…you can have them for an overnight”, would she be able to make a move without the court’s OK? would she get “in trouble” with the court for that? (ETA: this is, of course, assuming that the kids would WANT to see him – I seriously doubt she’d “make” them go if they didn’t want to.)
any of our resident family court/social service experts have any idea?
Yes, if they both agreed it would just be an amendment to their private agreement. Even when the court sets a visitation schedule there is wiggle room for changes if both parties agree and the kids are safe. Custody is never truly finalized so parents can also always go back to the courts if their agreement becomes untenable or unsafe.
Thanks, Lindsey. Not that she should necessarily by any means, but this tells me that if she wanted to, she could let Pitt see them without the court’s OK. which further tells me that she must have good reason to adhere to what the therapists think.
I don’t know the woman but she doesn’t strike me as the type to be vengeful, esp where parental alienation would come in. I know she didn’t have a good relationship with her dad for a long time (and doesn’t again, it seems) so I would like to think she’d be more about making sure that the kids DO have a good relationship with their dad. and again…she must, therefore, have good reason to follow the advice of the professionals to limit their time.
@doofus.. and that is why she filed the S&O in the court. To keep Brad from asking her to let him see the kids. Because it was something that could happen. By filing it with the court she basically said that he would have to go to court to have it changed. Which is what he is doing.
Ok.
My opinion, and it’s only my opinion, is that the therapist is listening to the KIDS.
It is irrelevant that Angie could do, or what Brad wants, because the therapist is representing where the kids are in this mess, emotionally speaking.
So, there.
Some sources even said that the kids and the therapists choose when to see their father, the therapists are giving power to kids and listen what the kids want.
Yes, because that’s exactly the point of therapy – ignore the advice you receive and just do what your ex-partner asks, regardless of how the kids being in therapy feel. (Massive Eyeroll.)
Seriously, how are people not understanding this? If you go to a therapist and agree to a plan, you either follow through and work through the issues or not. If BOTH parties feel that progress is being made faster than expected, and by both I mean Brad and the children (although as minors that may be a different kettle of fish regarding how much decision making power they have) then the treatment/therapy /visitation plan may change depending on the therapist.
The thing is, the Brad supporters don’t stop to think for a second that the kids’ wellbeing may require that right now they see less of him as they work together to rebuild trust. None of us knows what happened on the plane or before the plane. None of us knows what he said or did to the kids or her, how things got to this point. I understand that some would rather see AJ as an evil conniving whatever, but they forget that this a couple that obviously loved each other, raised kids together, went through some really tough things together. For her to leave, for the kids to go into therapy like this – maybe I am naive trying to be rational, but any sane person would only do that to protect her children. She knows her reputation is being attacked, she knows exactly what Brad’s side is telling the press but she’s doing it anyway. To me that’s just a mom doing her best for her kids. I do hope brad gets help, I hope he and Angie find a way to cop aren’t, I hope the kids rebuild their relationship with their dad – IF he fixes whatever he did wrong.
@Vauvert I mean, I think we agree on most everything– they both will hopefully find a way to co-parent in a healthy way. Where my criticism is pointed (not that it matters, or that I have any idea what is actually happening) is the idea that these specific therapists are being held up as though they are family court justices. They aren’t. And I’m sue both Brad and Angeline could each find 10+ therapists that would recommend visitation be whatever either parent happens to want. I totally think Angelina is doing what she feels is best by agreeing to limit Brad’s access to the kids, but that doesn’t mean that’s the absolute perfect answer (nor do I think Brad has the perfect answer). when they finally do go to court, the judge will decide what the best possible arrangement is, given the parents can’t agree, while respecting both parents’ parental rights. And I think both parents’ rights should be respected.
This is what exactly the therapists are considering thank you
“the kids’ wellbeing may require that right now they see less of him as they work together to rebuild trust”
Well put Meadowlarky.
Brad Pitt saw his children over the Christmas holiday, amid his ongoing divorce battle with Angelina Jolie. A source tells PEOPLE that the actor had one visit with several of the younger kids. Pitt, 53, and Jolie, 41, have a voluntary temporary custody agreement in place that allows the actor supervised visitation with the children.
Even people magazine is not saying anymore that angelina is preventing him to see his kids as they’re stating the agreement in their write up.
If we didn’t see that agreement tabloids will have keep this narrative that she is preventing him to see his kids
The ski trip pics are so staged. I have nothing against her but “hey there’s a camera, I better smile” plan is ugh.
Well I guess they all didn’t get the memo because I have seen about 30 other pics where they weren’t smiling including pics of Maddox,Pax.I have seen about ten other pics of AJ not smiling.This site purchased these pics other sites purchased pics of them looking miserable.
….and crickets from @Mikasa in response to @BJ’s ‘drop the mic’ +1000 post. Shocker. Lol
Maybe because not everyone spends their time defending celebs they don’t know online? I have a real life so I never went back to see if you replied to my question from the last thread. Why are you so obsessed over this celebrity?
She might be smiling and waving at the fans calling her name?
How ironic – people here claim to be on the children’s side and yet here they are claiming that therapists shouldn’t/doesn’t have the power to decide when Brad shall see them.
The same people are now saying that the children don’t seem to be traumatised so they don’t need therapy and that Angeline is the one pushing for it.
The same people are now ignoring the very fact that Brad signed the agreement agreeing to the therapy, monitored visits and regular drug tests.
But no, Angelina is so powerful and seductive that she has gotten the judge, the therapists, the lawyers, social workers etc on her side.
The same people are also ignoring the most important factor – most of the children don’t want to see or speak with their father. Now why is that? Could it be because he did behave in an appalling way? Maybe said some horrible words parents should never say to their children?
People keep saying “the judge ordered”…The judge hasn’t ordered anything, Nothing in this case has been adjudicated yet. Each side has filed things and Angelina filed into evidence the voluntary custody agreement she and Brad had agreed to during the DCFS investigation. The judge did not make it a court order. Nothing has been court ordered. So people need to stop making it seem like the judge/court has weighed in on anything pertaining to this case. January 17th will be the first time a Judge even touches this case, other than to deny an emergency hearing in December.
That’s right. On the January 17th I’m certain the judge will seal the case since Angie is no longer opposing it. Then after the family is protected by seal, Brad’s lawyer will file to change the temporary custody agreement since Angelina was unwilling to compromise in that regard, citing the therapists. (Yes, that’s shade.) At that hearing I’d bet my bottom dollar the judge gives back Brad a fair custody stake.
Yep. Great point about Brad signing the agreement of his own free will. If he is suddenly unhappy with it then he needs to go through the legal system to amend it, not leak “Poor Brad” stories to the press.
Also, I suspect the real story isn’t that Angelina is alienating Brad from his children. The real story may be that the older boys don’t want to see him after how he behaved. So Brad’s people are desperately trying to frame the situation to make him look like the victim and (intentionally or perhaps even unintentionally) throwing his wife under the bus to do it. “Poor Brad.” It’s also possible this is why Brad is so desperate to spend more time with the kids at this immediate moment: He wants to reach out to them and fix things? Just a guess.
I have a feeling Brad is in denial about his own substance abuse and the damage he may have done to his kids. He wants to bypass the therapist recommendations and speed things up as much as possible so he can “fix” things. But if what AJ’s camp seems to be alleging is true he’d be better off sitting back and following the therapists recommendations for a bit. It may take a while for him to re-earn the trust of the older kids. You can’t force forgiveness and trust on someone you’ve hurt. This is all speculation obviously.
@ Keaton. Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing out that Pity signed the agreement on his own free will although the majority are probably thinking Angelina made him sign it while she held a gun to his head. And I sure am curious as to the children who saw him.
Brad and Angie signed a temporary “private” agreement. It could have been modified between the two of them. After being cleared and fulfilling his obligations to testing/therapy, he expected to negotiate it with her. See request via emails in early Dec. between the lawyers. He was shut down. After the case is sealed he will no doubt request a judge to change the arrangement and it will be promptly granted by the court.
Thank you @Keaton voice of reason and neutral. +1000
@LadyT you’ve already painted Angelina as ‘unwilling to compromise,’ with her husband who seemed to clearly be in a mutually agreed upon modified rehab for himself and family.
You keep suggesting that things “could have been (further) modified,” “negotiated” and “changed,” etc. Never allowing for the fact that maybe a rehabilitative facility or stay was initially requested for Brad’s possible drink/drug issues and he refused that, so the modified version (with breaks for worldwide movie promotions and vacations in Turks&Cacaios) was what Angelina may have acquiesced to already.
Now people want him to be able to negotiate further and beyond what has already been negotiated, and agreed upon by them both.
If this is about getting “her family healthy, ” (and unlike some usual suspects, I believe she loves her kids and Brad too) why would a mother keep caving to the person in rehab, patients/people who are known to be as slippery as eels and in denial, who typically don’t complete programs?
Lastly, you used the phrase “*after* fulfilling his therapy.” Implying he was all done. Have I missed something? Has Brad’s therapy with his children and solo on his own, ENDED? PLEASE link that named source and publication who affirmed that.
If Brad successfully completed his program that he and Angelina agreed upon, the plan was for him to get back custody anyway. What’s this gloating in advance as if Angelina doesn’t want her kids to have a healthy Dad able to help her in raising them? I mean, i know the haters think her Maleficent, and a man-stealer…but most sane people don’t believe she’s scheming to *steal* the kids from a clean and sober Dad.
My divorce was before a magistrate in this same courthouse. When my 16 year old daughter did not want to visit her father, the judge said that it was my responsibility to see that she visited him. He was ordered to anger management but the judge still insisted on the visitation. My ex went to anger management for a couple of years because he liked it. He was only ordered to 6 mos. Sometimes men and women going through divorce have escalated, negative behavior. People make mistakes and they can be remedied while keeping the parental relationship in tact.
@almond: You keep mentioning “modified rehab” as if it were a fact. There is nothing anywhere that has ever stated that Pitt is in any sort of rehab, modified or not. At least not that I’ve read. It’s beginning to sound a bit like a “talking point” frankly. I’d be interested in seeing where that information came from.
@keaton: in the email exchange between lawyers that led up to the stipulation being filed, one of the things that Wasser said was that they should wait to hear what the therapist said in a meeting that was scheduled for the following week, the Monday I think. This was in regards to asking for an extra hour (?) with the kids. It seems to have escaped the notice of everyone that the stipulation was filed on the Friday, and so also before the meeting with the therapists. And if you read that email carefully, Pitt’s lawyer was saying he would file “next week”. That could have meant Monday morning or it could have meant any other day during the following week. Wasser’s interpretation of it was “before meeting with the therapists on Monday”, but in fact Pitt’s lawyer never actually said that, at least not in any of those emails.
Pitt may or may not have been willing to ignore what the therapists had to say the following week.
Wasser however, definitely filed the stipulation prior to having that meeting on the following Monday. It seems to me that was also ignoring the therapists input.
Five months of parental alienation? If we are spouting of theories with little basis in fact about if and why the kids don’t want to see Brad.
Some odd it is all or none rule and teenagers are really stubborn?
As Someone pointed out the judge/courts haven’t sided with her. Also, the social workers cleared him.
@LINDSEY
Stop using social worker as excuse, think how emotionally the kids are after the accident, the social workers don’t how the kids feel, that’s why the kids have therapists to evaluate their wellbeing, before Brad get 50/50 joint custody
It wasn’t an excuse and if she can make things up and be hyperbolic why can’t I? My point was we have no idea why and not everyone is “siding” with Angie, that just isn’t how it works.
When is two out of six kids most of the kids, Maya? Arithmetics was never my best subject, but still…
Divorced mom here. Want to clarify something legally. When you have children and the courts oversee visitation your children LEGALLY become wards of the state. It sounds harsh as hell but it’s the truth. Neither Brad nor Angelina get a say in this. They can plead their cases and their lawyers can put in all the petitions they want but it’s the judge’s choice what happens and how at the end of the day. They flat out tell you your children are now wards of the state. It’s basically their way of saying play nice with each other. Judges aren’t going to like the mud slinging in the press. I sure hope their lawyers are telling them to shut their mouths.
No. Not if the supervised visitation isn’t court ordered and they still have one custodial parent. Become a ward of the state is a big deal. That is revoking parental rights. Even if the court sets and enforces a custody agreement they still aren’t wards of the state.
Someone should shut their lawyers up, too.
I really hope the Judge does that. Because both of their attorneys have made things worse with every thing out of their mouths. Every time things calm down.. out come the lawyers and it starts all over again.
I’m actually curious as to which kids made up the “several of the younger kids.” Is it all the younger set or just his biological kids or some other mix?
I think he saw all the kids except Pax and Maddox.
People mag is becoming the Fox News of celebrity gossip.
Making me feel old but back in the day People Mag was your only real source of celebrity gossip that didn’t come off like the National Enquirer 🙂 with the advent of the internet and all these new sites they are kind of behind because they still want to look legitimate. A lot of these sites just want to break the news first and the stories are just made up crap. At least People Mag still waits to make sure it’s not a load of poo before publishing 🙂
Angelina will probably not get many good film roles after this messy divorce. Brad will be fine, he’s a man.
You wrong she is an action movie star she can get any movie she wants but she is not interested anymore in front of the camera, she turned down lots movies role, I think you don’t follow angelina but for the last 5 years she’s been only in 2 movies
Her new image is “the woman who tries to destroy the father of her kids”, so we have to agree to disagree.
Then you don’t know angelina power, wait and learn, these days people don’t care about scandal on the contrary they love drama
She will be fine – she has Maleficent 2, Salt 2 and still Cleopatra in the big.
Her movie on Netflix is coming out later this year.
Ooh, I loved Salt, didn’t know they were making a sequel.
Unless AJ decides to do TV, you can take Salt 2 off the list. Sony is now looking to do a remake/reboot as a TV series.
I also think that given what Scott Rudin had to say about AJ and the fact that he owns the rights to the Cleo book, it’s extremely unlikely she’ll be in that film, if/when it eventually gets made. He was pretty clear on that.
Ironically, those billboard things that father’s group put up with her in the Malificent costume calling her Malevolent is like free publicity for the sequel. I wonder if that has actually occured to them yet. Lol
eh, I think she’ll be OK. she’s been accused of much “messier” things than a divorce.
This is divorce, people think she is serial killer, if she decide to do action movie in the future she get lots of role and lot of studios will ligne up for her but she is not interested
She’s getting kind of old to do action movies, and I really don’t think she is all that interested in making movies anymore. She seems to want to concentrate on other aspects of her life.
Pitt has one film in post-production and one movie (WWZ2) announed. Angie has one movie (Maleficent2) announced. Neither of them appears to be especially busy making movies.
Both their film careers seem to be winding down but Angie is prepared for that, whereas I don’t think Brad is. His ego is still wrapped up in being Hollywood’s superannuated golden boy.
Nope, but he has at least four projects as a producer.
But he really wants to be Hollywood’s golden boy until he’s 85, or a least that’s the impression I get from him.
@Carmen.. really..
Brad and Angie will be fine. Brad has an extremely successful Production Company. He has other outside projects as well; Wine business, Furniture design. And “Golden boy” is stuff that is said by people that don’t know this man at all. Same with Angie. What I see is they are both going to have to change how they operate. They have traveled a lot. And Angie does her humanitarian work overseas. That will look different going forward. But Brad’s career is hardly going to be hurt by a divorce. Neither will Angie. Except she wants to direct. So the only way that will be hurt is if she doesn’t find a project that will bring bigger BO money.
Brad has found his niche in producing. I think he is aware that he is not the golden boy anymore.
Her path will be tougher as Hollywood hates women over 40. Plus, her competition in Blanchett, Chastain, Adams etc..are IMO much stronger actresses.
I feel sorry for the kids. Divorces are hard whether you’re famous or not. All of this leaking (from both sides), isn’t in the best interest of the kids. I wish they’d all cut it out.
They both need to get in a room together. It’s obvious they are both angry & have hurt feelings. They need to get it all out in private with each other. Only then can they go forward & learn to co-parent in the future. Having no face to face contact for over 3 mths, their feelings have built up & are coming out through sources & their lawyers. Get together &find a way through it.
Brad and the older boys would benefit from this also. Both should be encouraged to do so. The willingness or lack thereof by the boys is no doubt an extension of the message Angie is sending, either verbally or through her attitude/actions.
You keep accusing angelina for alienating the boys and you don’t have prove for that allegations, they have therapists now, only the therapists can evaluate how ready they are to see their father, angelina has not right to interfere between kids and father when therapists are there to see how ready emotionally the kids are before they see their father
Never used the term alienation and wouldn’t dare. But I most certainly did imply influence and I stand by that. Mother’s guidance is worth a million therapists. Her cue is the most important. And it is not “interfering” with therapy to encourage children to accept help to mend fences. My assumption is Brad is trying to do so. If not, that’s a whole different story.
Then maybe she should try basic teenage psychology. Tell the boys “I absolutely forbid you to see your father” and watch how fast they protest “You can’t stop us from seeing him if we want to!” 😂😂😂
Kids that age have minds of their own. They could simply not want to see Brad because they don’t want to see Brad–particularly if there was an incident.
In response to the poster though,We do know for a fact that the older boys don’t want to see Brad though..His Own Lawyer said as much in the E-mail exchange.
Something I have issues with is Brad’s team. They continue to act like they haven’t leaked info on Brad’s behalf. Wasser has done it. We’re all aware she’s done so. A new article on PEOPLE, states “A source with knowledge of the situation says, ‘This filing further proves that Angelina has not hesitated to reveal details about her children and their ongoing therapy and visitations, and further proves why Brad is now so grateful that documents will finally be sealed going forward.” If Brad and his team were so grateful they wouldn’t continue to have people speak to PEOPLE. Also, this quote sounds like something I read from Spiegel in the documents filed in December. It’s the same type of language. We’ll continue to get stuff from ” Brad’s sources” and “Angelina sources”. Poor kids. 🙁
I don’t believe Wasser would leak info on Brad’s behalf. She’d risk getting disbarred, and would certainly be sued by Angelina. Weird conspiracy theory, even for this thread.
I said Brad’s team was leaking stuff on his behalf. I was talking about the source on People’s new article. The quote I posted doesn’t sound like a Angie source but a Brad source. Sealing documents won’t do much if they are leaking stuff through sources.
It doesn’t make sense he whining to tabloids that he is sad since he can’t see his kids but when her lawyer has to provide documents proving how many time he see his children with the recommendations of the therapists, he complaining through tabloids why she has to file this documents
OK genuine question: how was Angelina able to take the kids out of state if there is a pending custody case in the system? Is it because there’s a temporary one in place that gives her sole custody? Or would have had to petition the presiding judge? Not saying she’s trying to flee with them, I just thought that was the law.
Can any lawyers weigh in?
She could take them out of state if Brad agreeded to it. We can presume he agreeded to the trip.
Thanks Paige!
This story makes me so sad just don’t understand how once a month therapy would help heal vs once a week. The once a month only seems that it will cause the relationship to weaken. If any readers are professionals and would comment maybe we could get some input that would help us appreciate this approach. Kaiser and team thanks again for your detailed fair coverage.
I have waited to comment here mainly out of sheer shock at how.public these two have been. Literally every other Hollywood couple tried to keep their divorce drama on the down low. I truly believe that Brad had to say something very hurtful/borderline abusive to his family to warrant such public drama. Her filing for temporary custody straight away means she knew she would get it and she probably was trying to protect the kids.
As much as Brad and Speigel wanted to protect him and his image and wanted to protect the kids, yet he himself became the reason of airing it to the world by filing and refusing to sit down with Angelina, Wasser and the therapists to hash it out, yet being intent and being gun ho on changing the S&O . You’d think his first and foremost concern and preference would be healing his kids, yet he refused to acknowledge that and he refused to even sit down, why why why why why Brad why did you not want to do that why why why ????. Why get into a pissing contest and start saying the self -mechanistic BS about the mother of your kids to make a point in court than actually agreeing to sit down yet ignoring the hand thats offering you to come and discuss the situation why ?. The more he fought, the more he hindered his own image, yet unbelievably he still seems to be blaming Angelina for that, unbelievable.
You are making a lot of assumptions. We don’t know why Brad refused to discuss things with them; or if they did in fact meet after those docs were filed. He and Angie both expressed concerns about the therapist. He saying they weren’t listening to his concerns.. and Angie saying things were not moving as expected.
But he didn’t seat with them if they accept that meet all of these would have not happened, maybe the therapists would have listen if both parties seat with the therapists together
From what I gather from some fan sites his visitation has been increased. It was an agreement between he and Angie. So there has been some progress. So for all we know they did have a meeting. I think I like many have gotten caught up in the legal back and forth and not getting a clear picture of what has happened since the documents have been filed. Brad is seeing the kids more so that to me is a good thing. For him but mostly for the kids. They need to be close to their father. They need to know that parents are not perfect and make bad and big mistakes. But therapy is about bringing them back together. Regardless of what ultimately happens between Brad and Angie I hope he can build a relationship with his children. No one with any feelings could say that is wrong. He didn’t go from being a great dad to some abusive father. I don’t buy that.
I’m just saying we are just seeing one sided correspondence and filing as Brads side has his sealed so we can only take from what Wasser is saying. She would not be lying in court documents with out hard-up evidence would she, other wise she’d be found guilty by court/judge. So far she has confirmed Brad actually is getting more visiting hours than what his side were portraying to the media and that Angelina, Wasser and the therapists wanted Brad to sit with them and discuss the situation of the kids, so WHY did he refuse to that WHY? shouldn’t that be his first and foremost concern, then why refuse to shake the hand that is offering some help and asking for your help. I get it he’s angry and I can imagine how angry he would be in his and Speigels filings that they managed to get sealed.
Brad filed his docs on Dec. 21st.. I think the increase visitation came after that.
It seems to me that in nasty, messy divorces like this * with or without the celebrity * you are dealing with either one or both being a narcissist. These two – prob both.