Kat Von D has a new vegan eyeshadow palette launching at Sephora. As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, her makeup brand has been suffering for whatever reason. It could be because the quality is slipping, that the brand is being boycotted after Kat came out as an antivaxxer or it could be several things at once. As background, last June before Kat’s baby was born she posted a message to Instagram saying that she planned to raise a “vegan child, without vaccinations.” She went on about it and claimed she was doing “research and educating myself.”
Also she was accused of anti-Semitism in 2008 when she allegedly wrote negative comments to a former coworker that included a flaming Star of David. She denies writing that and said it was a forgery. In a new video Kat claims she’s not a Nazi, that she’s offended that people are calling her family that, and that she’s not an anti-vaxxer either. Her husband, Leafar Seyer, has a swastika tattoo on his neck just FYI. Kat is a tattoo artist and could easily cover it for him. Here’s some of what she said and you can see that video below.
As a lot of you know I’ve been getting a ton of hate over two controversial topics. Just to set the record straight I am not anti-Semitic and I am not an anti-vaxxer.
Out of every comment that I’ve gotten the ones that are calling me and my family Nazis are extremely offensive and super hurtful not just to me but to my family.
I am a proud Latina. I was born in Mexico. Yo soy latina.
How the anti-Semitism story started
A lot of you remember Miami Ink. They wanted to cast a female tattoo artist. I was about 22 years old. The ratings went up. One of the other castmembers [felt] threatened. That’s when the hazing started. [He sabotaged my equipment.] He said things to me that were so repulsive. He sent me a photo of his pen-s. He grabbed my breasts. I quit.When he found out that [my own show] LA Ink was filming he thought he could cancel my show by going to the network and showing them this 8×10 with a forged anti-Semitic message on it.
She’s not an anti-vaxxer she just talks like one
I am not an anti-vaxxer what I am is a first time mother. I’m one of those moms that reads everything. Anything that is going in my baby or on my baby I research like a complete and total nerd.After doing a bunch of research and reading [vaccine] ingredients I experienced some hesitancy. If I would have known that I would have let so many people down with that I would have never shared where we were at with it at that time.
Since then we have decided to consult with our pediatrician and just let him educate us and guide us.
Unlike before I have learned my lesson and I am choosing not to make our decision public and I want to thank you guys for respecting that.
To all of you who sent so much hate our way…I’m not mad at you… some of the comments were so cruel and hurtful I hope you never have to go through that.
I believe her that this guy harassed her on the set of Miami Ink. Whether or not she wrote that was up to question. She did put out a lipstick with the name “Selektion,” which could be a benign German word she chose (it means selection obviously) but which is known as a Nazi concentration camp term. She pulled that lipstick along with other controversial lipsticks called “Underage Red” and “Celebutard.”
Why is it that people who are called racists or Nazis act like it’s more offensive to be called one than to be the target of Nazis and racists? How hard would it have been for her to say that racism and anti-semitism are poisonous and awful and that her heart goes out to people discriminated against? Instead it’s all about her and how she’s so hurt by being called a Nazi. She similarly never talks about the rise of preventable diseases and how dangerous and misinformed anti-vaxxers are. She didn’t say that because she doesn’t believe it. She just said she’s not going to tell us her decision. She claimed to have learned her lesson, but then admitted that lesson was to keep quiet.
So she’s still an anti-vaxxer except now she’s not going to talk about it because it’s hurting her bottom line. None of my $$ will go to supporting this horrible woman and her horrible husband.
Also…if it walks like a Nazi and quacks like a Nazi, it’s probably a Nazi. I’ve never in my life encountered one person who wanted to emulate Nazi poses or get a swastika tattooed on themselves, yet Kat has found herself time and time again associated with these characters. Obviously she’s seeking them out.
Amen
Sorry, but a swastika tattoo would be a nonstarter for anyone who isn’t anti-Semitic.
This!
Yup. Her values didn’t change, her bottom line did. So she’ll lie to protect that. Damage done, everyone is aware.
And that really bums me out because I love her make-up. I will have to scan the YouTube make up videos for an alternative because I’m done giving her money.
Megan, for lipsticks, go Colourpop. They’re the best alternative for KVD lipsticks and they’re about 6 bucks each. They do not budge at all and I always get the most compliments when wearing them. For eyeshadow, Anastasia almost can’t be beat and they’re relatively unproblematic.
Megan, check out two channels: Zabrena and thataylaa. They both have series showing dupes, but Zabrena tends to find the better deals. Also do a search with the name of what you’re wanting to replace and “dupe” with it, and you should get some good videos that way, too.
I believe that the Physician’s Formula or the Nyx eyeliners are the ones which replace her tattoo liner, for starters. Good luck!
Swastikas are popular in certain subcultures more for their shock value than because of people actually being strongly pro the Nazi message. Kat moves in those subcultures.
That’s not an excuse, tho.
I’ve heard time and time again, from people with swastika-patches (never met anyone with a tattoo), that it’s the old pagan sun-wheel sign. Which is correct, it is. But it gained a completely different meaning in the 20th century and NOONE in Europe or the US can claim they are not aware of the Nazi connotation first, pagan roots second. And if you’re wearing it, you’re trying to be edgy first and maybe, maybe pagan second.
The rumors she was a Nazi sympathizer started on Miami Ink, then she went on to date Jesse James, who’s been photographed in full Nazi salute, and now she’s married a man with a swastika tattoo. I tend to think “shock value and subculture” are a front for her husband’s true feelings. Where there’s smoke…
Also her grandparents (on both sides) moved from Germany to South America. There is a non-zero chance they were Nazis fleeing the end of WW2. A great many Nazis did just that.
Agreed. So many pagan images and symbols that aren’t swastikas. It’s disingenuous when people claim that’s why they’re wearing a one, imo. Same with the white power sign these days, people just try to innocently claim they’re making an “ok” sign. (And those high school boys in WI were just waving to their parents, not making a Nazi salute, right.) Ugh. So many terrible people in this world. I just don’t get their rage and hate.
Isn’t pagan swastika different? As far as I know, pagan swastika points in opposite direction.
I had a look at the guy’s tattoos. He has various religious symbols, including a Star of David. His swastika is nested in a lotus blossom, and apparently he claims to be “reclaiming the symbol”, so I am guessing that he is one of those people doing it for attention.
An aside: I’ve lived and travelled throughout Asia and you become used to seeing the symbol everywhere in the most peaceful of places. It is really sad how Hitler perverted a symbol of peace and unity. Douche-bros tattooing it on their necks is not going to fix that.
The swastika isn’t exactly pagan, it’s hindu… And that one is inverted so it’s actually not the same shape. If you have a swastika which goes in the same direction as the nazi symbol but claim it’s not a nazi symbol, you’re, at best, a freackin’ moron, but let’s face it you’re most likely a racist a-hole
“Swastikas” were used in Europe too, although they probably do originate in Hindu religions or are at least somewhat connected. They can be found on old European remains. But they don’t always have 4 points (they can have 8, 16, or sometimes 3, 7 etc.; but those don’t look Nazi-swastika-like anymore; some also have more angles and such … it’s a nice basic geometrical shape, anyway, so no wonder it’s been commonly used).
And they can point in any direction. It’s been only lately, because of the Nazi thing, that people differentiate between the Nazi ones pointing one direction and a pagan one in the other. It’s modern day cherry-picking to justify wearing one.
My point is, if you’re a decent person, even if you’re legit pagan, you won’t wear one, no matter what direction it points to.
“Swastikas are popular in certain subcultures more for their shock value than because of people actually being strongly pro the Nazi message.”
BS. I’m sick and tired of people trying to deny what we can clearly see right before our eyes. Like those people trying to claim their white power hand signal is just the “ok” sign. It’s bullshit.
She’s a Nazi. It’s clear as day.
Being Latinx myself, I hate that she just cloaked herself in her heritage to claim she isn’t using Nazi symbolism to sell makeup, and that her husband isn’t using it to sell his music. And being Latinx doesn’t automatically keep you from being anti-Semitic.
As for the anti-vacination stuff, she came out as an anti-vaccine person at the worst time: Disneyland had recently experienced an outbreak. Now that Washington State has a BIG outbreak, people are remembering what she proclaimed.
She needs more people who she will actually listen to if she wants to maintain her business. I wanted to support another Latina, but NOPE.
You can find the symbol is just about every culture on the planet- Christian, Hindu, Celtic, Native America, etc. It can mean anything from peace to unity. But the moment the Nazi party took it, tweak it 45 degrees, it now means something else and will only ever be associated with them. So IMO there will never be an excuse to have it on ones body without it meaning you stand for hate.
@Jamie, I’m basing this on my own experience from the late 90s, when guys would get swastikas for shock value. Their knowledge of Nazism was typical for average high school kids, they couldn’t bother to dig deeper, it was just great for them how the teachers reprimanded them. They were rebels for the sake of being rebels.
It is the same guys who a bit prior acted edgy with inverted crosses and pentagrams and talked about evil Christians (while in truth none of them was a real Satanist by a long shot, no matter which definition of Satanism you use), until they discovered that nobody really cares nor is afraid of them. So they upped the game with Nazi symbolism.
I don’t know much about Kat’s husband and where he personally is at with all of this, based on old reports about his daughter he seems the worst kind of person anyway.
I once travelled on a Greyhound bus from Arizona to Florida, and there was this guy trying to flirt with me. After I told him, I was German, he told me he got kicked out of Germany on a trip there. I asked why. He showed me the huge Swastika tattooed on his arm. Never have I been prouder of Germany, which really bans the public display of Nazi Propaganda.
I agree with you all here. She just is tip toeing around both issues. It probably just hurts her feelings that someone calls her out on her bullshit and that some people actually will stick to their principles and boycott her racist, dump ass.
Yup still boycotting. Didn’t she also date that piece of trash Jesse James? Too many coincidences here. And clearly still anti vax
Amazing how bigots think just issuing a public apology will magically clear things for them.
Public apologies should be considered for people who are indeed remorseful. Nobody is beyond redemption.
But “I’m apologizing because my business is failing and I’ve not really changed, I’ll just keep it quiet from now on” is not really an apology.
THANK YOU! And I LOVED some of her makeup but if you want dupes go to the makeup forums at reddit. I found duplicates of some of the colors I really loved because this one will never see another dime of my money. Our boycott must be working if she’s flapping her nazi gums this way.
Thank you.
I’m pretty sure her husband’s tattoo is a LEFT facing “svastikah” which is sanskrit for “life” or “conducive to meaning”, I believe it has Hindu and or Buddhist adaptations. hitler perverted the symbol and made a right facing symbol, basically for “death”, the absorption of life. I can’t see it in the photo, but It appears to rise from a lotus. People RARELY USE THE svastikah due to the confusion; one sees the L facing in ancient art. The modern equivalent is the “ok” symbol that’s been hijacked by the ignorant but over-thinking dumb as F racists.
‘I am not selling as much make up as I used to’ there ya go, Kat, corrected it for you.
I believe that she was bullied in the original Miami ink show (those guys were a-holes), but the fact that she married a man with a swastika tattoo – which could easily be covered/removed, tells me all I need to know about her.
And her future opportunities will dry up. Well done, consumers. These people are already richer than most can hope to be, let them fade away to a day job if need be, but they have enough to retire on so go away.
To be fair a lot of idiots get tattoos without knowing the symbols behind it. …ad this crowd not that smart really. It just looks cool or I’ve seen my white bros with it. A lot of Aryan stuff resembles Celtic & old school Germanic symbols. Crosses especially
Read my post, his right facing tattoo is an ancient symbol meaning life, but yeah, we ALL KNOW the modern version is right facing – hitler was a sick fKnut sociopath who stole and destroyed an otherwise beautiful symbol. I actually have a needlepoint “OK” that I have to just hide in the bookshelf. So this guy is going for shock value, as if I would still have a 1970s needlepoint ok symbol on the wall which I don’t .
Racist don’t like being called racist and don’t like it when people challenge or call them out on their bullsh@t. I agree, she know sales are slipping so she’s coming out with this and of course acting like the victim. This woman will never get a cent of my money.
NOPE
Ha, that was my response too. I read the whole thing, and thought “nope”.
so she’s not against vaccinations but she’s not going to tell us what decision she eventually came to with her kid, leaving you to have no place to go but to assume that she still didn’t vaccinate her kid. also, if your husband has a swastika tattoo that he hasn’t covered up and got in the first place, don’t be surprised when people think that you’re enough sleep. being Latina doesn’t mean you can’t be anti-Semitic either.
Everything else aside, her face looks terrible. Maybe that’s why no one is buying her makeup.
She looks awful, all the plastic surgery and basically trying to eat her words… we see you
Thank you, have thought this for years. I realize she has a goth aesthetic or something but you can do your face that way and still look amazing. She … does not and the fillers and the selfie cam distortion do not help.
yeah, she looks super “puffy”. fillers? whatever it is, it doesn’t look good.
she’s a pie-face now. and agree with the rest of you. she was getting hit with dropping sales and this is CYA.
and any anti-vaxxer who says “I did my research!” needs to be slapped. NO, you didn’t do any “research”. that’s what doctors and scientists do. you know, THE ONES WHO HAVE DETERMINED OVER AND OVER THAT VACCINES ARE SAFE AND DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM. what YOU did was read a bunch of anecdotal “evidence” on fringe/wackjob sites.
I’m surprised at her puffy face too. When the news about her broke out a couple of months ago, I was giving her a pass thinking that she’s just been pregnant, so of course, it’s possible she’s gained weight and hasn’t lost it yet … But now she looks even worse.
That’s one bad advertisement for her make-up.
In all fairness to Kat (and I don’t even like her) she did just have a baby like 3 months ago. I had a puffy moon face for like a year after my kid’s were born.
@Muffy. Your comment made me laugh, thanks. As for her I will have to put her in the same place I put Hate chicken (Chik Fil a) I don’t spend my money where Hate resides. I liked her tattoo liner as it was so precise. Any suggestions?
She’s pregnant, that’s why her face looks “terrible” to our thin obsessed selfie culture. And ya’ll, I was an anti-vaxxer as a new mom, I was in a deep hippy culture, sleep deprived and scared of anything that might harm this miracle of my 1st baby. Give her time. Be patient. Since I left the cult I totally vaccinated kiddo- new motherhood is just a quagmire. And ps, that tattoo is left facing, benign, but a challenge for anyone to make assumptions without historical accuracy. I would not have it as a tattoo as I don’t invite contention, but it’s in a Lotus, so, c’mon. He’s not your average duck, but I’d doubt this one is a nazi like that dumb ding dong Jessee she got w.
she’s not pregnant. she had the baby in early December.
For someone who claims to not be a Nazi, she certainly hangs around with a lot of people that have Nazi symbols on them or dress in full Nazi uniform, i.e., Jesse James.
Sandra Bullock married him too–are we going to do the same thing with her?
Sandra claims she had no idea. A person can hide their darker side. Kat knows who she is dating, there are photos and tattoos to prove it.
Andrea, that’s not a reasonable argument for defending a bigot.
I am just saying that we have no clue whether Kat OR Sandra knew and can’t really make that argument for either.
Exactly. The mistress said Jesse’s office was full of nazi paraphernalia, but I guess we have to assume Sandra was oblivious of who her husband was because she “seems” nice.
Sandra claimed she didn’t know, I’d like to believe her, but we’ll never really know. Kat, on the other hand, got together with him after all that became public, so…she knew for sure.
I dated a deplorable. Yep. I admit. He was my high school sweetheart who went down the rabbit hole of too much pot whilst watching fox news and he became a right wing nut. I’m a mixed WOC too, and I couldn’t detect his downfall until he started w racist schnozzle. Of course I left and can’t take enough showers, but us women tend to get duped. Guys get duped too, but we can be care givers to broken ducks that de-cloak and shizzle, there’s a nazi and we run never look back. Cast stones much? I hope you’ve never dated a damn fool, ,but most of us HAVE.
Unlike before I have learned my lesson and I am choosing not to make our decision public and I want to thank you guys for respecting that.
A. She doesn’t seem capable of learning lessons B. Not telling people about your anti-vax stance is not the same as not being ant-vax.
But good try at trying to hang on to those profits!
PS. You’re married to a guy who disowned his own daughter for sexual abuse he blames her for. Another winner in a stable of winners.
wooooow i found the interview where he talks about calling his friends out for “fucking [his] daughter” and then talks about how “betrayed” and “hurt” he feels by “what she did.” holy shit – this guy is an asshole.
That whole interview is a HUGE mess. This guy sounds like a very disturbed person. He’s also a terrible interview for a multitude of reasons. I won’t copy and paste the quote about his daughter because it’s disgusting, but this is the interview: https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/j5b4px/leafar-seyer-prayer-art-interview-2018-the-pain-isnt-over
Scroll past everything (it’s all bullsh*t) to the question about his 2011 book. What an awful person.
OMG. His poor daughter!
wow. what I took from that interview is that A) he’s an a$$h*le and B) he’s DUMB and C) yes, he IS an awful person.
dude tries to be such a tough guy. what is he…5’2″ and 110 pounds? methinks he’s got a bit of a napoleon complex going on.
Oh my God… He did what?! WTF…
Ok, the situation with his daughter is actually worse. When that interview happened in 2018, Reyes daughter had just turned 21. The situation he wrote about his daughter having sex with his friends came out in 2011. That would mean his daughter was 13 when this happened, which means it was rape. He blames his child for being raped by his middle aged friends.
YEAH, that daughter issue was just immature and ignorant misogynist AS F. She is married to an ignoramus. However, the cloak is coming off so many celebs- just wondering who will be left standing in this era of wokeNess. Serious question.
so i know (know of – people i went to high school with) a group of like – hipster new age “bikers” and they all have swastika tattoos and wear nazi hats and iron cross jewelry. they are not white supremacists and only do it to be provocative. it is disgusting. they have all these bullshit excuses like – “it is actually a whirling log and it is a native american symbol and the nazi’s stole it” SO…they are also appropriating native american culture as well as wearing nazi paraphernalia. double gross. all i know is – if you have a swastika tattoo – you are representing something universally known as Nazism and you should be shunned from society.
Yes, it doesn’t matter what a swastika originally meant. For nearly 100 years, it’s been associated with hatred and genocide. And someone who wears a swastika to be “provocative” isn’t someone I think is worth spending time with. That symbol still hurts a lot of people.
They’re basically uninformed @ssholes who have decided to stick to one group of people rather than meet the world.
I’m a mixed WOC and when I lived in a trashy punk rock neighborhood, us middle schoolers would write nazi symbols on notebooks. I was not educated then, nor really noticed by adults, so no mentors/teachers to point it out. We just thought it was punk rock. My bro who is black, had a fro hawk and went to mosh pit things etc. We were all just too dumb to ask, and seriously ignorant of history. Kat’s husband just seems of a similar ilk, but never got to Woke base. It mystifies, but the treatment of his daughter shows he was grown ignorant. How a woman can breed w that MYSTIFIES.
Something just occurred to me — Sandra Bullock’s mother was German and she was married to Jesse James… She had to understand what his fascination w the Nazis meant, but I don’t think she’s ever been called out on it or questioned. I don’t have any idea if that’s a fair thing to say but it makes me wonder…
Yeah, she went from being married to and divorcing Jesse James to adopting a black child. Like within months of each other. It was quite the leap and it always makes me give her a bit of the side eye. I have always hoped (because I want to like her) that he just hid his true nature and once she figured it out, she left.
I’ve posted about this dubious web before and was blocked. Weird all around. Bullock’s Jesse to the strange tattoo-clad man she’s married to now…then I thought about Sandra and Ryan Reynolds and how he chose to get married in a plantation later in life to a wife who romanticized Antebellum fashion for her business. It’s all very white lite ignorance or something more nefarious.
she had actually started the adoption process WITH James, before they split up.
once she filed for divorce, she proceeded as a single parent.
and I’m pretty sure she dated Ryan Gosling, not Reynolds.
@whatWHAT?, actually, I did mean Ryan Reynolds, who she dated for a bit before he got married the first time, I think.
She dated Gosling, not Reynolds. Reynolds dated (and was engaged to) Alanis Morissette.
Sandra Bullock dated both Ryans, to be clear, both relationships were brief and under the radar-neither one of them confirmed.
It is strange that this woman’s association with Jesse James is used against her while people don’t say anything about Sandra who is half German, fluent in German and knows far more about the disdain for Nazis in German society.
@SAM Kat is German too. Her last name is Von Drachenburg. All of her grandparents were German immigrants to South America, which is really suspect. Kat is Latina but she has strong German heritage just like Sandra – she has posted photos of her family’s ancestral castle in Germany to her Twitter before.
Nope,
I think that you are both right. Sandra has NEVER been called out for this , or her friendship with “I’m an activist now and am going to save the world” Chelsea Handler. Child services should have been called on her ass. I shudder to think what might be being imparted to her kids.
Yep. I’ve always wondered why Sandra is and was immune from questioning on this. It’s a perfectly fair question. The whole situation is sketchy as hell.
And she was in ‘The Blindside’-which is a racist dumpster fire-then adopts a black kid irl.
Likely because she’s so private and adept at being “the girl next door” that people don’t (or don’t want to) think about the sketchy bits.
I agree with the above posts—if we call out Kat we need to do so with Sandra also. I personally think we shouldn’t do for either. I dated a man a long time ago who owned alot of guns and believed in Y2k, but I didn’t and was ant-gun. Just because you are with someone doesn’t mean you have the exact same beliefs.
When my son was born I had questions about what exactly they were vaccinating against. I didn’t want to know an exact ingredient list or get sucked into the crazies online, but when I asked the nurse she just threw an unhelpful pamphlet at me and ran out of the room. My kid was always going to get vaccinated, I just wanted a little more information and it was like no one could provide that for me. I found it very frustrating and if I had been on the fence about vaccinations, I may have even thought they were trying to hide something.
This. I vaccinate my kids too but there’s a near hysteria and instant pile-on around people who even dare have a single question about ingredients, manufacturing, risks,, that is counter productive. There are legitimate reasons to be hesitant and especially if you’ve had bad experiences or known someone who has. The pile on just pushes some people further away into a fear of vaccinating.
I’ve had doctors tell me my child could have all 20 in one day and be “fine”. Sorry, but pharmaceutical corporations are shady AF. I staggered the vaccines and didn’t get theM right away for newborn. I had a home birth & lived in a remote place until he was 3 anyway. Another doc told me thymerisol was a mercury based preservative that was in fact removed from vaccines in 2006. So…uh. By luck doc offered us to have the refrigerated vacs. So I agree to bit of caution, and this may cue the responses here when ppl rip me to shreds for simply NOTICING, ASKING, and making an informed middle-ground choice.
She’s garbage but I do take a bit of consolation, I guess, that her abhorrent views are still largely shunned. The day they become even more accepted than they already are is a day I don’t want to be here anymore.
I had family members who were murdered in concentration camps. I have family members who were lucky enough to escape them. So, I don’t find this any of this drama with her very entertaining. Her husband’s tattoo isn’t art. I don’t care how or why he got it. That symbol represents hate and there is no excuse for it.
It doesn’t just represent hate, either – it shows us the incredible evil uncontrolled hate can cause. Estimates of the death toll from World War II sometimes range up as far as 50-80 million. The majority of people who died were actually civilians.
I agree. Anti-semitism and even the Holocaust are NOT history, hatred and systemic hatred are an active danger still.
Yes.
I used to watch her show LA Ink because I have an interest in tattoos. I could never stand her, though — she’s a weirdly self-righteous and unforgiving person.
I liked her on LA Ink! I didn’t see her as self-righteous until after. I thought she was a good people person, who seemed genuinely interested in others. Disappointing that she revealed herself to be who she is.
Uhm, a slew of Nazis moved to Argentina after WWII so imma need old girl to stop playing like Latinx, particularly light skinned ones, can’t be racist, anti semitic, and even Nazis.
This is a word.
I am a light skinned Afrolatina and whew chile, the antiblackness and racism in Latino communities is alive and well.
Racism in Latin America is such a fascinating topic.
There are/were also Latinx who were/are cool with Jews but think you can’t be Latinx if you look a little black. See Trujillo and DR, aka the only country to openly welcome Jews in the midst of the holocaust, the same county that actively and continues to actively discriminate against darker skinned Dominicans and swear they must be Haitian and try to deport them.
DS9 – preach. I am of Dominican and Puerto Rican descent. It’s fascinating that some of the more racist countries are the most diverse ones as well, especially in/near the Caribbean.
My mother came here several years after Trujillo was assassinated. My grandmother is black (black skinned) but would never say she’s black. She says horrible things about Haitians and African Americans/other black people. I look at her and I think “Do you know what you look like? Just cos you speak Spanish doesn’t change the color of your skin!”
I’m lucky that my mother educated herself and never taught me to think that way (although she will say problematic things from time to time).
Exactly, DS9.
I think her statement is being made to protect her business. That said, she too can see that measles are breaking out in many places close to her. She can also see the cold-blooded killings being done by white supremacists. I would love to see her step up and lead on these issues–by renouncing nazi symbols (cover her husband’s tattoo for starters) and doing a PSA that encourages young parents to vaccinate kids. We need everyone in this fight to stop the insanity.
her makeup business is having trouble on its merits alone right now – saw a lot of makeup lovers on twitter were angry after one of them broke open her liquid eyeliner pen and found that it was just a sample eyeliner size of product being placed in a full size container. makeup fanatics have loved her products for YEARS so she’s really shooting herself in the foot from all sides here.
I used to root for her, but she’s shown her ass for way too long.
Wait:
Von D was born in Montemorelos, Nuevo León, Mexico.[1][4] Her Seventh-day Adventist Church missionary parents,[4] father René and mother Sylvia[5] Galeano, were born in Argentina,[6] and are of German, Italian and Spanish descent, respectively. Von D has a sister, Karoline[7] and a brother, Michael.[7] She moved with her family to the Los Angeles area at age 4 and grew up in Colton, California. Von D was classically trained in piano beginning at age 6.[8]
Kat Von D credits her grandmother, Clara von Drachenberg, …
Me again:
German last name? From Argentina?
and you know which Germans fled…oh, excuse me…”emigrated” to South America from Germany, right?…
Yep. Which is why I cocked my head pretty hard when I read this.
Yeah. I always get nervous/cautious around Germans who fled to Paraguay, Argentina or those who are descendants of them. It is true that a lot of the Nazis fled to these South American countries.
Excuse me, an actual argentine here. Yes, loads of Nazis came to Argentina through the Red Cross and forged papers. Loads of jews came to Argentina, too. My great grandfather came over from Russia, with his whole family, escaping religious persecution (we all know the whole of Europe was antisemitic! No one welcomed jews ANYWHERE). My great grandmother came from germany, also escaping religious persecution.
So, whenver you encounter and argentina with a germanic last name don’t think they’re the descendants of nazis or whatnot. They could very well be of jewish descent. You never know.
So is she Jewish then? I think that’s highly unlikely in her case.
@Cee, very true. And Jews come with a variety of surnames that aren’t readily identifiable as such.
Jews were fairly integrated into German society at the start of Hitler’s rise.
@Anastasia – I don’t know if she’s jewish. I am not aware of her father’s religion. She could very well be catholic/evangelical like many argentines of german/austrian descent. I have many friends with german last names. Some are jews like my great grandmother, some are catholic. Some of them can trace their ancestors to the end of the 19th century, some came in waves during both WW, and some came later.
My boyfriend’s grandfather came from Austria after the war. Does that make him a Nazi?
Cee: Itwould be her mother’s religion if Jewish.
I just did a few minutes of googling, and apparently there are several occasions in which she said anti-Jewish things. I think the likelihood of her being Jewish is about zero, since the first thing she would have said after being called Anti-Semitic is that she’s Jewish.
@CEE it’s on her wikipedia page that BOTH of her parents were 7th day adventist missionaries. at least one of her grandfathers was also a missionary in the same religion. she’s not Jewish.
This was the weirdest non apology ever. She’s just a brat. My line is suffering because I shared information with you that helped consumers decided where to spend their money elsewhere. Now I’m never sharing anything with you again. I hope you’re happy! I’m punishing you ultimately.
FYI her husbands tattoo is a Buddhist symbol. Hitler decided to use the swastika symbol in ww2. In his case, he follows the Buddhist religion and I think it’s unfair to automatically assume he’s a Nazi. If you check out the comments under her post on Instagram, she explains everything better than in the video.
yeah… I knew that, but a bazillion years ago, I lived in Cambodia and it was still unnerving to see it carved into temples that were centuries old.
Oh FFS! Kids used to play being ghosts using white sheets and pillow cover, yet if someone walks by with a tattoo of a white-hooded figure, you know it’s the KKK they’re “homaging”, not the childhood ghosts.
Yes, those crosses where part of hindu and buddhist symbolism, but everyone knows that they’ve been taken and used by the Nazi. No white, western person with a bit of sense will ever get a swastika tattoo, it is part of the Nazi symbolism now and for the past 80 years. There are still survivors of the camps alive, you can still see old people with tattoos on their arms. In Europe, you can still see places where people where executed (even in Paris, the bullet holes are still there), my great-grandparents house in Brittany was taken by the Nazis and turned into a blockhaus. It is part of our very recent common history and anyone trying to pretend it’s for hindu/buddhist symbolism is saying BS because they’re too coward to show their true selves.
Adam Yauch was buddhist, he’d never would have walked around with a swastika
We’ve explained it several times above: Yes, swastika predates Nazis and was used throughout Europe and Asia. But it’s had the Nazi connotation for almost a century now and that meaning of the symbol is much stronger than the original one. You’d learn the Nazism connection way before you’d hear the other one. Nobody from Europe or the US can use this bullsh*t as an excuse. Nobody.
If you wear swastika you’re doing it for shock value or because you’re a Nazi or both. It’s never innocent. (Hindus are an exception here because for them the religious use obviously is stronger and, unlike in Europe, was never discontinued.)
I hate all of this so much. There’s not a lot of vegan makeup out there (that doesn’t test on animals for Chinese market), and her makeup is often cute. But I won’t buy it because of things like this.
She suddenly remembers she’s mexican-born and her parents are argentinian, so she couldn’t possibly be a Nazi! Guess what Kat, being latin and a nazi are not mutually exclusive.
We all know many nazi flew to Brazil and Argentina to avoid trials and live under nazi-friendly dictatorships instead. Those who managed to flee were usually people that were highly involved and gained a lot under the regime and thus had a lot to lose if they’d stay, not the soldiers who were enrolled by force and had no choice to obey (same for those who went to South Africa). So yeah, you can definitely be from Latin America and a nazi
you are repeating what I just said. Of course you can be latin and a nazi. just as you can be european and a nazi, american and a nazi, etc.
and please, so many soldiers were Nazis by choice. Please let us not say only the Eichmanns were Nazis by choice while the rest simpy were “caught up” in it. The true heroes are those who fought Nazis, putting their lives on the line for human decency. The rest can all go rot, including the european countries that closed their doors to Jews YEARS before Hitler gained power and did what he did. He did not come to power and implement the final solution in a few days. Years went by and Europe did nothing. Same with the Catholic Church and Red Cross, two institutions that protected Nazis AND made sure they could get out. Eichmann arrived to Argentina with a forged passport and name. The children he had in Argentina didn’t even have his last name, only the forged one.
And Peron’s government wan’t a dictatorship – he was democratically elected by the people. Even if he was a military arse.
Eichmann’s son went by the name Klaus Eichmann, that was how Adolph Eichmann was discovered. His son dated a half Jewish girl whose father was blind as a result of beatings at Dachau. the father contacted lawyers at the Nuremberg trials and was put in contact with Mossad.
@joanne. That story is well told in the film Operation Finale. Worth watching for anyone who hasn’t seen it. I was a teen living in Germany at the time of Eichmann’s capture, trial and execution. It was something I followed closely.
Jerusha, did your read “The House on Garibaldi Street”? it was written by one of the Mossad members who extracted Eichmann. i will have to look for that film. i also was a teen when it happened. the war was recent history then. i was interested by the the pure evil and the tremendous heroism.
She’s gross. I used to really like her liquid eyeliner but they don’t have it in the pots with the brush anymore-it’s all those stupid pens that last for two weeks and cost 25$. I also couldn’t stomach buying her stuff after those pictures of her and Jesse James. I believe her that the guy harassed her. I also believe that she’s a monstrous individual and a Nazi sympathizer. I’ve started buying drugstore makeup a lot and can I just say, drugstore brands are really upping their game to compete with Ulta and Sephora. NYX and e.l.f are both cruelty free and offer a lot of vegan products-same with Morphe and Milani. All those tattoos and decades of heavy makeup are doing her no favors in her old age.
If you haven’t tried it yet, Nyx Epic Ink is a dupe for her Tattoo liner. $9 a pop
Thanks! And wait, she’s only 37????!!!! I thought she was in her late 40s-50s based on how she looks in recent years. Yikes.
Thanks DS9! I was disappointed in the tattoo liner and have used a sample Stila felt tip pen to better results. But I knew there was a good dupe floating around. And NYX is cruelty free I see. 🙂
I adore her lipglosses and eyeliner. I go for a goth look though when I go out because I have red and pink hair. I also love that her products are cruelty free.
Sorry, I don’t care how cute her stuff is.. I can’t wear Nazi and Anti Vaxx on my face.
NYX Epic Ink, cruelty free and only $9
And the whole excuse that the swastika is an old symbol in use around the world is a thin one.
There is an distinct difference in the use of the Nazi symbol and the swastika in other cultures, notably the angle.
When her husband blamed his daughter for basically being molested and I saw that story I stopped buying all of her stuff. It’s not rocket science,I don’t like Nazis,I don’t like pedophiles.
yeah, that was super messed up. he pretty much said his daughter did him dirty by getting with his friends like wtaf? what kind of dad sees it that way?
I watched her whole video last week. Did the “First of all, I am Latina” have anything to do with her claim? I am naively asking if there’s a disconnect between being Latina and being anti-semite. Is that what she was implying?
She’s trying to imply that because she’s a “woman of color” (you can be white and from Latin America, FYI) that she can’t possibly be an anti-semite.
It’s like the self applied racist template of “but I can’t be -insert form of bigotry-, I have -insert a black friend, colleague, family member-“
i would loooooove to have a job where I named lipstick and nail polish shades. I promise it would super easy for me to never use offensive or racist language!
The swastika is a sacred emblem that appears on Dine/Navaho textiles. It represents the whirling log ie all of humanity. I once saw a tea cup and saucer from India with a swastika in an antique shop. It took the Nazis to subvert it.
Regardless of what a swastika “represents” in other cultures, she is fully aware what it represents in America. Personally, there’s no excuse for it being around you, as a tattoo or used as something in your brand. Period.
Her last name is von Drachenberg, german. So her trying to emphasize how latina she is.. she has also german roots. Don’t get me wrong, that does not make her a Nazi, it was just weird of her to let that slide. (I am german btw.)
not defending, her, but most of us ratios have European family names. Some of us are quite fair looking, but we are the same. Only some ethnicities maintain their more closed-tie communities via enrolling their kids into certain private schools, attending clubs, or churches, etc. but not all of those ethnicities do that. German, Japanese, Jewish, Lebanese are some communities that use to do that in Mexico. Many of them intermarry, but German not so much, I know a few of them, they tend to go outside of the community.
Kat Von D: I’m not anti-Semitic…but all of my past boyfriends were and so is my husband. But we won’t talk about that.
Kat Von D: I am not an anti-Vaxxer…but I won’t just come out and say that I’ve vaccinated my kid.
There are a LOT of amazing makeup brands on the market that dont have the kind of f*cked up baggage Kat Von D’s has. And her brand hasn’t put out anything interesting in literally years.
Also – being Mexican doesn’t magically absolve you of being an anti-Semite. This chick is garbage.
I’m curious to know why you think we ought to stop? The only measurable difference is that there is no Nazi party running a country or invading other nations.
I’d care about semantics if incorrect use changed the meaning particularly if it white washed the Nazi party’s crimes or diminished the danger of Neo Nazis but it doesn’t.
Also, in this case, Tweedle dum and her pedo adjacent husband are directly harkening old school nazi imagery.
She just had a baby a few months ago! I want to see what she looks like after a year. I think it is a bit cruel to say she is full in the face because she obviously hasn’t lost all the weight yet!
It’s hard to visualize it given what we know of the relationship between hate and the swastika but there are ways to use it in art that incorporates Eastern or Native American imagery and help divorce it from the way the Nazi party warped it.
I’d only blink once if I saw it in a sanskrit and other Asian style font. But he’s got it in black and white in a hard edged font associated with gothic fonts, no color to speak of.
To me it feels like he wants to get as close as he can to invoking the Nazi connection while still laying a disingenuous claim to Buddhism.
This is proof her brand is suffering! I honestly can’t believe that Sephora hasn’t dropped her!!! They drop Olivia Jade, rightfully, now they need to drop KVD!!
Making a safe assumption here that her pediatrician would have told her to vaccinate … the not sharing means she’s not vaccinating. And claiming you’re Latina to refute anti semitism … is that really an argument? What a fool. She and hubby are both too old to need to be that “edgy” lolll.
Funny how they change their tune when it affects their livelihood. Either your child is vaccinated or not. There’s nothing secretive about it. Whatever lady
Just the weekend before last I, embarrassingly, spent over $300 in Sephora (some were gifts) and when they tried to steer me to one of her palettes I said no for these reasons. Coincidence? Obvs my little spending spree made the difference. Joking aside, I do hope the conscientious spending people do makes a difference. Although, what she’s said here does not change my mind about buying any of her products. What a mish-mash of saying nothing.
I’m glad you told them why. Hopefully they take the feedback seriously.
She’s a horrible person.
And that she married a guy with a swastika tattoo… well, that’s all you need to know, honestly, isn’t it?
I’ve never gotten her appeal and I have to say all the ugliness on the inside is definitely showing on the outside. She looks awful.
I am just curious- if vaccines are really safe than why is there a National vaccine injury compensation program? It has payed out billions of dollars for vaccine deaths and injured vaccinated individuals. Four billion to be exact.
Your question can be easily and quickly answered via the website for the program. Here’s a chart that outlines what types of injuries one might receive, the timeframe, and what’s covered.
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/vaccine-injury-table.pdf
Autism is not. It’s mostly allergic reactions or other issues with live strains. All that being said, getting vaccinated for MMR, Polio, and other things if that ilk sure beats actually getting the disease. I know someone who has had polio and it’s no joke. Same with MMR, Tetanus, and a number of other dieseases that we have vaccines for.
A lot of anti vaxxers are trying to compare apples to oranges and it doesn’t work that way.
Her apology or explanation made it worse imo.
Also, her last name is that of her Grandmother…why did she take that last name on and not that of her father/parents? It’s suspect, for sure. I think she was told by someone managing her PR that she should make a video to clear up some of this damaging info because like other’s have said: It’s affecting her bottom line.
Call me crazy but I don’t get anti-Semitic when men harass me.
This. Thank you. It’s exhausting to hear so many bigots blame their obvious bigotry on other people.
Her liquid lipstick was my fave. I will not but it anymore. Because I will not support her.