Do the Duke & Duchess of Sussex even want their kids to have royal titles?

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So I finally got the chance to read the full Tatler story – “One Year of Meghanomania” – and it was just as stupid and nasty as everyone said. The actual “news” within the piece was already covered here and here – Kensington Palace courtiers call Meghan “Me-Gain” and Meghan is blamed for “banishing” Harry’s closest friends. What other news is there? The royal courtiers feel Meghan is “getting bad advice,” but not from them, from her own outside friends and connections. Of course the courtiers would feel that way – they want to be the only ones in her ear. That’s what I keep thinking throughout all of these Meghan smears – the courtiers and the royal reporters cannot bloody stand it that Meghan isn’t content to do as they say and be insulted relentlessly. They are so freaked out that people like Beyonce, Serena Williams, Amal Clooney and Oprah have Meghan’s back. The courtiers and reporters look provincial and small. That’s the heart of it.

The only thing that I found telling in the Tatler piece was the suggestion – supposedly circulated among the aristo set last year – that Meghan would only last for five years before she got bored with the royal lifestyle and Harry. That theory popped in our comment section a lot last year, that there was already a ticking clock on Meghan’s duchesshood and that she would only want to keep up the facade for five years and two kids max. I don’t have any predictions here, I just think it’s interesting that the supposed aristo/courtier set was saying the same things as many commenters on this blog. Also: Tatler throws in one piece of gossip not about Meghan: Amal and George Clooney were apparently bickering at Meg & Harry’s wedding. But yes, this Tatler piece was just… unpleasant. I don’t think it was done entirely on Kensington Palace’s say-so, but clearly, the Cambridges’ communications office had no problem with it.

Hello Magazine also has a primer on what happens when Meghan gives birth to Polo Baby. Most of these little facts are just based on Duchess Kate’s various births – like, the Queen is told first when the baby is born. Polo Baby won’t get an official name until several days after he or she is born. Hello also reminded me that we still don’t know if Polo Baby will get a title, if the Queen will offer the Sussexes a title for Polo Baby or if the Sussexes will decline royal titles for their children. Keep your eye on this part of it, because it will be important in the years to come as to how the media treats the Sussexes’ children versus how the Cambridge kids are treated. I think Harry will be pro-title. I don’t know how Meghan will feel.

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  1. lily says:

    A part of me is like ‘titles are rubbish’ and then I think about the future and how the press will treat Harry’s children and that maybe a title could be a form of protection.

    • MissyS. says:

      Unfortunately, titles will not protect their children. The media is already writing ridiculous stories about this baby. Even Bea and Eugenie’s titles didn’t prevent them from receiving negative press.

    • TeamAwesome says:

      There is little chance of this kid being allowed to fade into the background, title or no.

    • Megan says:

      I think Zara and Peter have the best deal. No title, no responsibilities, but still royal.

      • Himmiefan says:

        That’s why I hope H&M don’t choose a title for their child. It will make life easier.

  2. Weaver says:

    Meghan by all accounts had a better lifestyle before she met Harry. She had a fun career and blog and was traveling freely for fun and philanthrophy. Now she’s holed up in a palace being harrassed by the media and royal courtiers.

    I think She and Harry would be better off as private citizens. They have enough notoriety to parlay it into their own charitable organization.

    • MissyS. says:

      I wonder why anyone would want to work and raise children in that toxic environment. All of the money in the world is not worth this constant abuse. Everything Meghan says and does is going to be reported to the tabloids and turned into something negative.

      Harry spoke a while ago about wanting to leave. He should have went with his gut.

      • Mia says:

        who knows maybe in 5 years not only Meghan will leave but Harry will leave with her.

      • whatever says:

        I don’t know, I think Meghan will leave in a few years out of boredom but I think Harry will want to stay at least until George is 18. If the Queen and Charles are dead and William dies before George is 18 then Harry will become Prince Regent. I think Harry will want to fulfil that role out of duty to the family and privilege he was born in to but also for his nephew’s sake because the alternative Prince Regent would be Prince Andrew *shudder*.

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      • Megan says:

        I think their lives will be better once they relocate to Windsor. KP is such a fishbowl and the grey men are insufferable.

      • Princessk says:

        Harry never said he wanted to leave.

  3. Torontoe says:

    Yeah I think they will both be pro-title. It’s often said that the royals fetishize normalcy, but when push comes to shove they want their children to have all the privileges possible. The bigger question to me is whether Charles/William want them to have titles or whether the “streamline the monarchy” will apply to the Sussex kids.

    • Molly says:

      Charles will 100% want titles for those kids. If they don’t have them, it’ll be Harry’s decision.

      • Nic919 says:

        The letters patent of 1917 automatically grant Harry’s kids HRH once Charles is king. Whether or not they choose to use them is another thing.

  4. Redburgandy says:

    Titles do not offer protection, just look at the York sisters. Even Zara & Peter get the media attacking them from time to time especially when they were younger. The only ones who are really protected are the heirs.

    The important question is not whether they will be given titles but whether they will be working royals & funded by the taxpayers. If the answer is no then giving them an HRH is perhaps not really necessary.

  5. Becks1 says:

    I think if they want them to have titles, and be HRH Prince/Princess Sussex, they will be given that at birth. (because as things stand now, my understanding is the child will become HRH Prince/ss when Charles becomes king, right?) So I think either they will get the title at birth, or something will be announced a la the Wessexes, that the children will be styled as Lord or Lady.

    They’ll definitely have some sort of honorific, right? (is that the right term?) Like they wont be like Zara and Peter.

    ETA basically I think we will know very soon after the birth (or around the time of the birth) what has been decided. I don’t think they will change their titles when Charles becomes king.

  6. boz says:

    It’s great that the duchess has powerful women friends to help her, but…

    I can’t help thinking what an awful life she signed up for. Fifty more years of this treatment? There’s only one of her, and how many of “them?” She needs a new strategy, or this will certainly wear her down.

    • Kittycat says:

      Really only 20 or 25 more years.

      William will be king so I’m sure he will streamline Harry and Meghan out.

      • Mia says:

        Charles might be the last King, maybe by this time people would want a republic.

      • boz says:

        Honestly, though, I don’t know how she could take it for even one more year. Yes, there’s an incredible amount of privilege, but, really, what an incredible tsunami of yuck she has to deal with on a weekly basis.

      • Ader says:

        @ Boz, Well, I can’t talk for everyone, but as a black woman, the treatment she is getting is “normal” to many of us. It’s how we’ve been treated since…pre-school. Day in and out. Especially those of us who grew up in predominately white neighborhoods. Not only from other children, but teachers. Even my bus driver fucked with me — at age 6!!

        My point: Meg is more than likely used to this crap. If she walks away, it likely won’t be because of this.

      • boz says:

        @Ader. I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I hate that this treatment has been normalized for you all your life. I guess it’s just happening to the duchess on a global stage. What an awful, shameful way to treat someone, famous or not.

    • Himmiefan says:

      At least they’ll move to the background a bit as Will and Kate’s children grow older and the attention falls to them.

  7. Ainsley7 says:

    The Tatler article actually says it’s outsiders that think Meghan is getting bad advice. To be honest that is something that many people have questioned. She has made a few missteps like not wearing a hat with the Queen for example. Amy and Cohen would have 100% known the Queen wanted Meghan to wear a hat. The Queen wore green for Grenfell and Meghan wore beige because Jessica Mulroney is her stylist. It’s not like the wearing green to support Grenfell was a huge secret. I do think Meghan is being given bad advice by her friends who know even less about Royal life than she does. There are also little things, like wearing more British, that Meghan could be doing, but isn’t. So, I don’t think it’s just that the evil courtiers want to control her. I think she really does choose her friends advice over people like Cohen more often then she should.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Lol. This comment is hilarious.

      • Olenna says:

        Yes, it is. Hilariously ridiculous. Now, OP needs to make sure he/she posts the same type of nonsense on every other royal’s thread (to include QEII and KM) and make sure to point out how much their clothing costs, how much they spent on palace and mansion/manor renovations, how many staff they have in their personal employ and what are their salaries, how much it costs to transport their privileged asses by plane, helicopter, train or up-armored luxury vehicle wherever they go, how much their vacations costs, how many PPOs they have trailing them everywhere and what are their salaries, etc., etc., etc.

      • Ads says:

        Honestly, it is so silly. I rolled my eyes so hard they almost fell out of my head.

    • Peg says:

      The cookbook did more for the Grenfell victims than wearing a green dress.
      So she did not wear a hat, and the World is still standing.
      Right now her friends are the only ones she can trust.
      The only thing you left out was, Meghan being responsible for Brexit.

      • jlf5254 says:

        Meghan should trust her friends but she should also trust (some) Royal courtiers. There’s a balance between modernising the monarchy & keeping tradition.
        Also the optics of expensive clothing & private planes has not got down well in the UK. I think Kate & William have managed to be more discreet with their spending (they may in part have been given a hand by the press & selective reporting).
        If I were Meghan, I’d consider hiring a new stylist. Her current one doesn’t seem to know many British brands or much about tailoring. Luckily for her, Meghan is gorgeous.

      • Lady D says:

        Let’s not forget that these papers also wildly inflate the price of her clothing because they know it gives them thousands of clks and comments.
        Totally agree she needs a new stylist.

      • Ainsley7 says:

        Meghan isn’t just a celebrity philanthropist. She is a representative of the Queen and the UK. Brexit could result in the British economy tanking. Being sensitive to that is her job. Being discreet about the wealthy lifestyle and promoting things like British fashion is important right now. Expecting her to understand that is not asking a lot. For the record the gold piano belongs to the government not the Queen.

    • MsIam says:

      @Ainsley7 this is the type of comment that is so infuriating. With the visit with the Queen, Samantha Cohen is pictured right behind Meghan and the Queen (not wearing a hat by the way.). If protocol required Meghan to wear a hat, why didn’t Samantha tell her this? I am sure that Meghan is adult enough to realize what the dress code is and not throw a foot-stamping tantrum about a hat! She has worn plenty of ridiculous hats and frumpy dresses to other events. As far as her not wearing green, again, Samantha was assigned to her specifically, why did she not address this? Plus it has been written that the Queen wears bright colors to stand out and others wear more muted shades so as not to compete. Trust me if Kate wore beige we would not hear a peep. And Meghan wears plenty of Victoria Beckham and Stella McCartney clothes so stop with the British designers. Both her wedding dresses were designed by British designers. And that stuff is not cheap so she would still be spending a lot of money on clothes regardless. It’s just never enough for some people unless she buys all her clothes at Top Shop.

      • Ainsley7 says:

        Samantha Cohen wouldn’t be required to wear a hat. She’s just an advisor. She also can’t make Meghan do anything she doesn’t want to. That doesn’t mean that Meghan “threw a tantrum”. I’m not sure why you would jump to that conclusion. I personally think that she ignores advice. If Kate had done as Meghan did then she would deserve the same criticism. Meghan’s main wedding dress was Givenchy. Givenchy is French. The current head designer’s nationality doesn’t change that. She also doesn’t wear plenty of Victoria Beckham or Stella McCartney. She’s only worn them a few times. She mainly goes for French, Italian, American or Canadian designers. It’s her job to represent Britain. She wouldn’t get as much criticism if she was wearing bespoke British because she would be helping the British economy.

  8. Lucia says:

    My theory may be a little out there but hear me out….

    I think Harry would sacrifice his place in the BRF for Meghan if push came to shove. If he had to choose between his marriage and his titles, I genuinely think he would choose his marriage.

    Looking at photos of Harry this past year, it feels like he only comes alive when they’re doing international functions, especially ones like the Pacific Island tour they did. He seems bored and miserable when they’re in London. All around, I kind of feel the BRF could be an albatross around Harry’s neck that he wants to get rid of. I don’t think he’d pull the trigger until Queen Elizabeth is gone, though.

    So I guess I can see him refusing titles for his kids and I think whether or not Polo gets one will indicate Harry’s attitude towards being/remaining a royal. I can see a future where 5 years from now, Harry leaves the Royal Family after he’s had enough of the media and enough of the games his family has played. I could see them moving to Los Angeles to raise Polo Baby and start a new charitable foundation. We all know they could easily live off of Meghan’s money and there’d be plenty of it if they left the Royal Family.

    • Mia says:

      I think your theory is spot on. During the end of Diana’s marriage and after the divorce, her friends were more international, who could care less about The Royals. Harry is now dealing with racism against his wife and soon it will happen with their child. Meghan has had to deal with people like this all her life. He probably is shock and can’t handle it. It’s just a normal day of us poc

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      They wouldn’t have to live off of Meghan’s money alone. Harry inherited 16mil from Diana’s estate when be turned 30. He has his own money independent of the BRF.

      • jan90067 says:

        And let’s not forget the millions he also inherited from TQ Mother upon her death. Harry isn’t “hurting” for cash, although it is probably mostly invested, I’m sure they could live nicely off the interest, or if needed, liquidate whatever they need. I wouldn’t worry about them monetarily.

        I could see this happening. Esp. after Charles goes.

    • R says:

      Sorry no- he loves being a royal even if he complains (they all do; I mean look at the life they have) about it but really he is giving up all these privilege he will never leave I get they seem romantic and they are probably are in that phase but lets not romanticize Harry he is a full on member of the firm and IMO he couldn’t survive without it. Also Megan is a hard worker but Harry is lazy as crap and having to go out and do anything without the firm pulling strings is way more work then he’d want to do.

      Now I will say that while I believe Megan is truly in love and wants to do this; I could see the stupidity of it getting to her after awhile and maybe leaving but I also think she loves loves loves being a duchess and this famous so I can also see her figuring out a way to deal with it.

      • Jen says:

        Yeah, this is “being a royal is so hard but I’m normal and buy my own meat” Entitled Harry we are talking about. He’s not going to strike it out on his own because he thinks the world owes him.

    • Coz' says:

      I am currently reading the Crazy Rich Asians sequel so here I am thinking that their maybe 30 millions £ combined net wealth is not that much money in the end… 😀

    • Megan says:

      It doesn’t matter if he leaves royal life, he and Meghan are international celebrities and as long as they get clicks and likes, the press is going to hound them. I really hope Meghan knew what she was signing up for because she had a good thing going in Toronto.

    • Karen says:

      Their money combined is nothing compared to what they are used to living on now. Charles duchy provides endless money.

  9. TheOriginalMia says:

    They are going to be HRH. Be it at birth or upon Charles’ coronation, they will eventually carry that title. Anne chose not to give her husband a title, which was the only way Zara and Peter would have had one back when they were born. Edward and Sophie were not expecting their children to be working royals. They supposedly declined an upgrade for them when/if Edward takes over the Duke of Edinburgh title upon Phillip’s death. I can’t imagine Charles or the Queen allowing the public to have the visual of the biracial grandchildren of the future monarch having lesser titles than their cousins. I just don’t see them opening the Firm up for that kind of commentary. Not after the 2 years of racism that Meghan has faced.

    • Mia says:

      Various books I’ve read through out the years, Anne’s husband refused a title. It was actually his decision not to have one. IMO, I think with all what Meghan has had to face,I’d say no titles, We know the Sussex’s child or children are going to have a very strong worth ethic. Let Bill and his family carry on with all the duties. Stand or Fall on their own, if there’s still a monarchy after Prince Charles.

    • Nic919 says:

      Louise and James are automatically HRH because they are grandchildren of the monarch and children of a male child of the monarch. They simply choose not to use the titles.

    • Ads says:

      “I can’t imagine Charles or the Queen allowing the public to have the visual of the biracial grandchildren of the future monarch having lesser titles than their cousins. I just don’t see them opening the Firm up for that kind of commentary. Not after the 2 years of racism that Meghan has faced.”

      I think this is spot on. The optics would be bad. And right now Britain – and by extension the RF – needs the former colonies on side more than ever. So even if Meghan and Harry are reluctant I can see both the Queen and Charles overruling them for the greater good of the Monarchy and the country and insisting on titles for their kids.

  10. Kit says:

    I hope they choose no titles, or only Lady/Lord titles like the Wessex children have. The kids will be better off growing up with the expectations of being ‘normal’ (yet extrememy privileged) citizens, rather than end up in that awkward position of the York girls – being a princess/prince but constantly mocked and compared unfavorably to their ‘more important’ royal cousins. The Phillips and Wessex kids have had it easier. Let the Sussex kids be private citizens – with their access to top education and their social status they will have great careers and not be dependent on their petulant uncle William for money or purpose in life.

    Royalty is all about hierarchy. The direct line will always be prioritized and favored by the media and the royal household. If you’re not in direct line, you’re better off distancing yourself and carving out your own way rather than trying to hold on for dear life.

  11. Michele S says:

    I want to hear more about the Clooneys bickering…..

  12. LORENA says:

    I def think Meghan wants a title for their child and I do not blame her at all

    • Marianne says:

      Yes. I fully agree. They are the children of a prince and their mother is now a duchess. So, let them have whatever title they are entitled to.

      With respect to how long this is all going to last, I also agree with an earlier comment that Harry would be glad to chuck it all. I recall him commenting at some point and drawing all kinds of what seemed to me unfair criticism about how he wouldn’t necessarily have chosen this life.

      So, at some point, it would not surprise me at all if he and Meghan went their own way. (Not sure what that would mean in practical terms though. Withdrawing from the line of succession or?) I’m in agreement however, that while the Queen is alive, he will continue on as is.

      I just hope Meghan doesn’t get bored with the stultifying life or sufficiently irked by the pettiness so as to call it a day. She demonstrated before she was married that she was interested in making the world a better place and I think she can. Hope the pettifoggers don’t get her down. I doubt the outright racists trouble her – it’s the constant drip drip drip of the “oh you should have worn a hat” crowd that would get to me.

  13. Alexandria says:

    I hope no title or just follow the Wessexes. It’s not about the optics of disallowing a child of colour a title. I think the child’s wellbeing is more important and IMHO having a title will expose him or her to more scrutiny. Also, if William takes the throne, his heirs will obviously be protected more. Why not just enjoy the money and they are all still aristocrats anyway. Not having a royal title will not stop Harry’s family from doing more philanthropy work. It’s whether you want to make a difference or not.

    I for one would want to follow this family as they grow through the years, with or without a title. So I think they can still make an impact on their own (if they want to).

    • Ads says:

      “It’s not about the optics of disallowing a child of colour a title.”

      It’s interesting that just before reading your comment, I said the exact opposite. As a black Briton, I would seriously side-eye a decision not to give the only royals of colour a royal title. Unless that decision verifiably came from Meghan herself. And I hope she does decide on allowing their child or children to have full on titles. It would be a brave choice on her part but it would be an admirable one.

      And when you say “I think the child’s wellbeing is more important and IMHO having a title will expose him or her to more scrutiny” – even though I know what you mean, it also sounds a bit like people who urge against interracial marriage because of the scrutiny and abuse from racists. Why should the racists always be the first people we think about appeasing or circumnavigating? Personally I don’t do that shit anymore.

      Obviously each to their own though…

  14. Valiantly Varnished says:

    I hope Meghan and Harry take a title for the baby. This baby will already have so much against it and while I dont think a title will protect it I do think it will send a signal that this child is just as royal as any of the Cambridge children.

    • Bluthfan says:

      Exactly. People wanting them to pull a Wessex are not realizing how hard it will be for Harry’s kids when Charles is king without titles to protect them.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      I agree 100%. I also think Harry would have known his whole life that his children would become HRH when Charles becomes king, so I think it’s strange to think that suddenly he wouldn’t want that. If he didn’t want it, I think new LP would have been issued upon their marriage – just like QEII did for the Wessexes – stating that the Sussex children would be styled as the children of a duke.

      Since no new LP were issued (either to state the above or to state the children would be HRH from birth, like for the Cambs), I think everyone will just let things fall out under the current LP. I.e. no HRH from birth, but “elevated” to HRH when Charles becomes king. Personally, I think they should have begun as they mean to go on, so (assuming my theory is correct) I wish the queen would have issued new LP to make them HRH from birth. Also, not to be morbid, but what if Charles predeceases the queen? Then the kids would never become HRH, even if that was the intention all along.

      • Lorelei says:

        @RoyalWatcher that is an excellent point, and one I hadn’t thought of. Obviously the chances of Charles passing before the Queen are incredibly slim, but it’s possible. So if H&M want the titles, it’s risky to just wait until Charles ascends to the throne because there are no guarantees.

  15. R says:

    I am sorry this is just dumb of course they want their kids to have royal titles if they didn’t they would give up the ones they have. I am sure they are lovely people but they both love love love the titles and privileges that come with it and want their kids to have them as well.

    For the record ALL THE ROYALS DO. These two aren’t special down to earth regular people so lets stop;.

    Also can we stop acting like the Cambridges are this all powerful string pulling and that they completely control KP press staff at this time. I mean honestly the believing the W&K are behind all this is like believing in chem trails.

    • Lady D says:

      Of course they control KP staff. The staff do exactly what they say or they get fired.

      • R says:

        RME so does Harry at this point. But go ahead and think the Cambridge are behind it all even though it is beyond obvious the staff and papers are but whatever.

  16. Cee says:

    If the first biracial grandchild of a future Monarch does not have the same titles as his/hers white cousins… it will be a PR disaster. So, I don’t believe Harry/Meghan have a choice in this – their children will bear titles. The only way I see for them declining titles is if Harry relinquished his succession rights.

    • LivePlantsCleanAir says:

      What would happen, then, if the kid is given a title..and THEN LATER Harry relinquishes his succession rights. Do the kids lose the title? If Harry relinquishes his right, is he no longer a Prince? How does that work?

      • Cee says:

        They wouldn’t lose titles that belong to them by right. But if Harry would decide to relinquish his rights and those of his descendants then it could be argued that they could then be styled as children of a Duke and not a Prince.
        Harry will always be a Prince and so will his children (if they are styled as such)

    • TheOtherSam says:

      Harry and Meghan can’t decline what at this point probably hasn’t been offered (HRH for the new baby). It’s the Queen’s decision to grant the HRH via Letters Patent, not Charles’s or anyone else. If she hasn’t done it by now – a few weeks before birth – safe to say it’s not forthcoming. To give a framework for this, she issued an LP re the Cambridge children very early in Kate’s pregnancy with George (in Dec 2012).

      The Sussex child/ren automatically become HRH the moment Charles becomes King. Which likely isn’t too far away time-wise. I think the primary line of thought here is to wait until that time and have the titles come naturally, rather than artificially create them now.

      Harry and Meghan can decide then if they want their child/ren to use HRH publicly, or have them styled as Lord/Lady as the Wessexes did with theirs.

      • Cee says:

        Yes – but they could decline any titles in the future, this is what people are speculating on. Even if by right they will be HRHs and Princes/esses once Charles is King, some believe they will decline this and just use courtesy titles like the Wessexes.
        It would be interesting to see any of the Wessex children’s birth certificate to see if they’re legally HRHs or not. I assume that even though they have a right to it, they’re legally Mountbatten-Windsors with courtesy titles.

      • Cee says:

        From searching online I came across the LPs issued by any British Monarch and it says, regarding Louise’s birth:
        (1) “The Queen had decided, with the agreement of Prince Edward and Miss Rhys-Jones, that any children of their marriage should not be given the style of His or Her Royal Highness, but would have courtesy titles as sons or daughters of an Earl ”
        (2) “At the time, many people have expressed the notion that a press release was not sufficient to modify the Letters Patent of 1917, and that Louise could not be deprived of her “rights” without letters patent. The fact is that royal styles and titles are a matter of royal prerogative, that does not require the advice of the government (the Letters Patent of 1917 were issued without any such advice). The sovereign’s will and pleasure is all that matters, and she can change styles and titles as she pleases. How that pleasure is publicized, by letters patent, warrant, press release or verbal declaration, is immaterial.”

        It could very well be that Louise and James are not legally princess/prince of the UK.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        Cee – it’s funny because I could swear I once read something once where Sophie was talking about it and she said that they (she and Edward) knew their children were technically HRH, but they would just be styled as the children of an earl. Something like that. So, it sounded like – technically – they do acknowledge the current LP – and the Wessex children are technically HRH – but would sort of ignore them.

      • TheOtherSam says:

        @Cee Louise and James are legally Princess and Prince of the UK, respectively. Not sure what is on their birth certs, but that is their current legal rank as grandchildren of the monarch in the male line. That wasn’t changed via the LP issued when their parents married.

        The monarch can decide (with/without input from others) as to how they are -styled- or “titled” as your posts states. The monarch is the ‘font of all honor/s’ in the UK and can do as she wishes whether via issued LP, written or verbal statement (as you stated). However this didn’t change their legal rank as HRH Prince/Princess. Rank, or legal standing, is a different concept from styling/titling.

        This is the same concept applies to Camilla since she married Charles: she is legally at the rank of HRH Princess of the UK, and is in actuality HRH The Princess of Wales, but is styled/titled HRH Duchess of Cornwall.

        I’ve actually read that Louise and James can potentially ‘take back’ their HRH once they reach 18, and begin to style themselves Prince/cess as that is still their legal rank. Unless the then-monarch declares otherwise – but these are trickier questions and space here is limited.

      • TheOtherSam says:

        Want to briefly add the purpose of the 2012 LP issued by the Queen re future Cambridge children was because Kate has just announced her 1st pregnancy, and no one knew if it was a boy or girl. Male-preference primogeniture was being eliminated, meaning that the 1st born would become monarch re of sex. So if Kate had a daughter, the way the rules then stood meant that she would only be ranked/titled “Lady xx Cambridge” due to the old rules promulgated by George the V in 1917 (only the eldest SON of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales can be HRH Prince xx, until their grandfather passes and all children elevated to HRH).

        That of course wouldn’t fly so QEII went ahead and declared all future Cambridge children as HRHs. It really wasn’t about favoritism to the heir’s kids but an attempt to do away with sexist rules and appearances.

    • Princessk says:

      The child will not be exactly biracial but l do understand the very special significance of this child and for that reason l would like a title.

  17. Tw says:

    Can we stop trying to make “Polo Baby” happen? It’s not your best work.

  18. Ader says:

    Last night I ventured out into the wilderness known as “The Sun’s” comment section. A few commenters were blaming the latest “turnip toff” scandal leak on…wait for it…Hillary Clinton! I sh*t you not. Apparently, ‘ole Hill orchestrated this whole round of gossip as a way to help her s*x-trafficking pals, including Prince Andrew.

    And these people were dead serious!

    When I see crap like this, I’m convinced that the great human experiment has failed. Because sometimes it seems like there are more of “them” than “us.”

  19. RoyalBlue says:

    I think at this point in time they should follow protocol and receive the title they are entitled to. That place is toxic, it’s like swimming with sharks.

  20. Digital Unicorn says:

    If that baby does not get a title it might just push Evil Papa Smurf over the edge – those fake heart attacks might become real.

  21. Peg says:

    Evil Papa Smurf is busy writing his picture book, just waiting for a picture of baby Sussex, since he ran out of Meghan’s baby pictures.

  22. Peg says:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com
    Boco Raton seniors throw Royal baby shower for Prince Harry and Meghan.
    Oh dear, will the Dailyfail complain about this baby shower? the thirty ladies wore fascinators, drank English tea, played traditional baby shower games and had a luncheon.
    Participants brought a gift to donate to Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition of Palm Beach County.

    • Olenna says:

      Aww, that is so sweet! Yeah, the DF readers will probably ridicule these ladies, but some of us do like hearing good news related to the DDoS. So, thanks for posting it.