If the following stories are true, than I halfway respect the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge for their next-level bitchy strategy. Usually, I think William and Kate’s PR strategy is dull and obvious, but there could be some evidence that they’re actually making some interesting moves and thinking ahead. First up, as we all know, Tatler did a pretty harsh editorial/article on Duchess Meghan. It felt like it came out of nowhere, but it also felt like Kensington Palace’s Revenge, a final farewell from KP to the Sussexes as they organize their new office. Well, here’s another explanation – a report from early February:
Yesterday Tatler announced Richard Dennen as its new editor, and he promised a new day for the magazine. “The Tatler I edit will access an even wider world,” he said. Will it also include his candid memories of the Duchess of Cambridge? Dennen was a student at the University of St Andrews at the same time as the then Kate Middleton. Back in 2015, Dennen shared [a] candid throwback photograph of the Duchess at the airport, tucking into a sandwich. He posted it on his Instagram along with a caption: “Before life got serious and we still ate wheat and flew economy.”
So, Dennen became the new editor in early/mid-February and one month later, a major item on his agenda was that brutal character assassination of the Duchess of Sussex? I wouldn’t think too much of it with respect to Dennen and Kate’s friendship, only as we saw this week with Prince William running to Richard Kay, William and Kate are perfectly willing to make the effort to slap down certain reports. The fact that they have never stepped in to deny literally any story about their relationship with Meghan speaks volumes. And the fact that Kate and Dennen are friends and he oversaw the character assassination article speaks volumes too.
Meanwhile, here’s something else that could be next-level strategy from William in particular:
A royal commentator has claimed Prince William was instrumental in helping Harry and Meghan to secure their own household. Just weeks ago Buckingham Palace announced a new household had been created for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex following their marriage last year, which would mean their staff would be separated from William and Kate’s team.
Speaking in podcast On Heir this week, British correspondent Omid Scobie revealed that the Queen and Prince Charles were initially hesitant to grant Harry his own household as he is not a direct heir to the throne. However, understanding how important Meghan and Harry are to the royal family’s global image, William was said to have stepped in and fought for his younger brother to get a bigger budget for his own team.
Speaking on the podcast, Omid said: ‘Charles and the Queen did not want the Sussexes to have their own individual household, and indeed how could they because the money has to come from somewhere. It was actually Prince William who had to step in and fight to get Harry a little bit more money to spend on building a team because he understands what this means to Harry and how much he wants to achieve. He also understands how important Harry and Meghan are for the image, the brand and the future of the royal family.’
Arguing that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were the ‘nation’s favourites’, he explained that William understood that Harry and Meghan were ‘global ambassadors’ for the royal family.
“…Because he understands what this means to Harry and how much he wants to achieve…” Yeah, doubt it. I mean, William might have gone to Charles and the Queen and maybe William even advocated for a separate office for the Sussexes, but it’s not because William “understands what this means to Harry.” It’s because William and Harry’s relationship has grown so toxic and dysfunctional, they literally don’t want to share staffers anymore. And no, I don’t believe that the Queen and Charles were reticent about it either – I think it’s far more likely that William demanded that Harry and Meghan get their own office and Charles and the Queen quickly agreed, because they saw how toxic everything had become too.
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The shenanigans.
This.
I know all these stories are to meant to demean Meghan while making others look good, but they have made me lose respect for the Royal Family. Gossip may be fun to read, but it can also ruin an organization. This attempt to ruin Meghan’s image is going to end up harming the Royal Family.
And once again I have to question Harry and Meghan. Why would they want to continue being a part of an organization that is willing to tear them down? And why would they bring children into this toxic situation? Having access to all of that money may sound nice, but it comes at a steep price. I don’t think moving to BP will change much if the Palace allows the courtiers to have the power to leak info to tabloids.
New Theory: Perhaps what happened is Kate’s mother Carole is behind the attacks on Megan. Carole could have done it with Kate’s blessing or they could be in on it together. Once William found out he pulled the funding on “Party Pieces”…
William’s Turnip Toff friends see that the Middletons have lost William’s support, so now they are being loose with the gossip about William cheating on Kate.
Yet people still remain unconvinced. At this point, you’d need to get actual leaked emails or a picture of someone from KP/RR/Camp Cambridge in a car with the press before people bleieve it.
Um… according to the editor of Tatler via instagram, Kate just said that Tatler is her favorite magazine.
Just FYI, Omid was misquoted and he corrected it on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1110935730426134528?s=20
Thanks for the update!
But he did say that Will stood up for his bro and sister in law. So let’s stop vilifing him without proof.
@Milla how is this vilifying anyone?! I was just pointing out Omid’s correction.
And Omid is likely getting things straight from Meghan She knows how to use her friends for her media strategy and she’s savvy. So I look at things from him with a glance towards Meg and her agenda, too.
The Cambridges have been pushing smears against Meghan. I like Omid but I don’t believe him on this.
This is startling. How could they make up a quote like that? It is so easily verified and of course Omid would say something.
Will this article eventually lead to stories about how wastful Harry and Meghan are because even the Queen and Prince Charles were concerned about the cost. There is already such hostile tension about Harry and Meghan needing to be put in their place.
I realize this is a long shot, but I hope when the tabs see their pretty little baby they stop this BS.
@megan I hope so to but I have this fear that if the baby doesn’t have red hair that will give the conspriacy nuts something new to go after ☹️
@Scal They won’t be able to win with the baby among a certain faction of loons. If it doesn’t have red hair, its paternity will be questioned. If its too white, they’ll say she was faking her pregnancy and they had to use a donor egg and surrogate.
I’m still scratching my head about the “nation’s favorites” part.
It’s interesting in a good way how Tatler got a lot of heat for its Meghan article. On its Facebook page, many said how terrible the article was. At that time, only one person supported it. People’s eyes are open about the Meghsn slandering.
Sure, Jan.
LOL. William is always somehow disapproving of Meghan, or Harry’s relationship with Meghan, yet somehow also their great benefactor and advocate.
William has been pretty busy being a peacemaker and advocate for Harry and Meghan.
Lol, right. The guy has spent the last 15 years throwing his brother under the bus to help his own PR but all of a sudden he cares about Harry? Sure, Jan.
Just out of curiosity, how has William thrown Harry under the bus? I’ve read this repeatedly, and the only instance I can think of is when William apologized to a polo player for Harry’s foul-mouthed temper tantrum, which hardly seems harsh. I’m not doubting it, it just seems a lot of Harry’s past problems – excessive partying to the point of falling down drunk, Nazi costumes, naked billiards – were purely of his own making,
The Nazi costume event had William wearing an equally horrid costume and you didn’t hear boo about it because Will fed Harry to the wolves so he’d get a free pass. Will drank as much if not more than Harry and the tabs covered it up as long as they got to go after Harry. There were scores of articles written on it years ago with media confirming that was Wills MO.
Thanks, Bluthfan-you’re right-I never heard a word about Will’s costume nor had I ever heard of any partying.
What was William’s costume (i.e. what did he wear) when Harry wore the Nazi costume?
William went as a Zulu warrior, complete with the black tights.
LOLOLOLOL! So busy…
With advocates like these, who needs enemies?
It is true that he can’t treat Harry and Meghan like dirt, even when he has the purse strings. He is going to want his kids to hold off as long as they can from royal duties and he will need to put up if he wants his very popular brother and SIL to rep for him with enthusiasm.
This. He and Kate did not become full time Royals until well into their 30s. They speak of wanting normalcy for their children, which probably means the same thing for them. To keep the minimum amount of royals going, even in a slimmed down manner, they’re going to need Harry and Meghan for another 30 years.
Yep. Charles has all these streamlined monarchy plans, and William is no fool. He absolutely needs Harry and Meghan to share the work (and attention).
He wants it both ways-he wants Harry and Meghan to share the workload, but to be more popular. He and Kate have no charisma, though, so it just won’t work.
Will is fine with Harry doing all the work as long as Will stays more popular. That’s the problem for Will and why all the negative articles about the Sussexes sourced from KP
I listened to the podcast last week and it was Emily Andrews who first mentions that William stepped in to help sort out where some of the money would come from for Harry and Meghan’s Office. It wasn’t characterized so much as the Queen and Charles saying no to money, but sorting out where the money for the office would come from. It is far more benign when you hear what they say because it’s more like a budgetary discussion instead of being overly generous by William or miserly by Charles or the Queen.
Considering Andrew has his own office I’m not sure why they are making a big deal about who is giving money and from where.
A big deal is being made because it involves Meghan. The same Meghan who gets hell when doing things all other royals do. The same Meghan who is getting trashed by Dickie A right now for ‘thinking she’s a bigger star than the queen’ even though we haven’t seen her for weeks. The same Meghan who gets trashed by her own brother and sister in law (not to mention staff) and KP is crickets. The same Meghan who is ruining the monarchy by duchessing while black. You know, reasons. 🙄
“duchessing while black” This +1,000,000 Thank you for summoning up all this constant crap in 3 words.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
OMG I can’t it is a big deal because of Brexit!!!! England is going through some economic messes and Brexit is setting up to be a massive disaster for the country and its economy. Not to mention the non stop comments from Brits on this site about the countries increase in homeless and healthcare issues.
All of these things add up to the royal family not wanting to look like they are spending money unnecessarily. Andrew doesn’t deserve his own office/court whatever they are called but it was set up in the 80s/90s right when England was in a different situation. And isn’t there a lot of talk about Charles trying to get rid of the siblings when he is king?
I am not saying that racism doesn’t play a role in a lot of the coverage especially from Murdoch papers, but I do think the Royal family is trying to look frugal and prudent during Brexit.
“Duchessing while Black” is the only phrase needed to describe the Meghan hatred and criticism going forth.
I was over on Twitter watching some women give hell to the Sussex detractors.
This story about William’s ‘generosity’ only came out because KP and Cambridge were starting to take direct hits for Megan’s bad press. And, rightly so. The Cambridges are very much behind a lot of the dirty press on the Sussexes.
R, I’m sure that’s a large part of it. Here in the US, we don’t experience the angst of Brexit, so we don’t think about it in regards to the RF, but I’m sure it has a great effect.
Amen lets call this hate for what it is. Racism.
A big deal is being made because the world thrives on gossip!
Err…Omid said he was misquoted and he did not say anything about the queen or Charles. So I’m not going to believe the rest of the article trying to make William out to be some generous benefactor. It doesn’t match his personality or past behavior up to this point anyway. I don’t think he’d suddenly be worried about helping the Sussexes when he’s always been a me first type of person. It’s just more distraction from the articles about him having an affair.
“Omid said he was misquoted and he did not say anything about the queen or Charles. So I’m not going to believe the rest of the article trying to make William out to be some generous benefactor.”
Except – would he not have corrected that train of thought too if he didn’t discuss it? I mean, he’s literally only taking exception to the Queen and Charles being brought up. Choose to believe the narrative that you prefer, but he literally never negated William’s involvement.
And Omid saying that he didn’t say anything about the Queen or Charles is weird. Who else would William be talking to about it? If Charles and the Queen were on board right away, William’s involvement doesn’t matter. The only other option is the Sussexes refusing their own office/more money and William having to convince them. That makes even less sense. I wish Omid would be a little more clear about what he is actually saying happened. His correction just makes William’s role unclear. Personally, I think Charles refused to give more money as was reported weeks ago and William went to the Queen and that’s why she is co-funding the office.
William could be talking to the courtiers and not necessarily the Queen or Charles if this is about a budgetary issue. The Queen isn’t micromanaging things. She has people to do that work.
I think you are twisting Omids words into a pretzel to try to find evidence that William did something nice for once. Considering William has spent 15 years using his brother for PR purposes and has a history of being jealous of Harry’s popularity, this story rings false.
But William is only the hero if the Queen and Charles are involved. Otherwise, who cares? Where’s the drama? This is article is trying to prop up William and Omid called b.s. on it. Maybe William is trying to cover his tracks from the H/M smear in his / Carole’s rebuttal article.
The William as hero is damage control from Turnip gate and the Tattler hit piece. Both made the Cambridges look bad.
Turnipgate! 😂😂😂
I wonder who the “lucky” lady is! (Presuming it’s a lady, could be a lad. Who knows?!)
(Sh)It’s happening in Norfo(uc)k!
Something is definitely going on behind the scenes because William is trying to sell an ‘elder stateman’ vibe & that he is the peacemaker and so wise that his counsel is necessary which is ridiculous because William only gives a damn about William. Why has Kp has started issued press releases in regards to significant global events (terror attack, Cyclones, etc)? It only use to be done by the queen and in some instances, Charles.
Is Will that insecure about harry and meghan’s press coverage and Charles 70th last year that he is trying a new pr angle so that people remember he exists? I mean, the kate stans have been out for months going on about how she will be queen but they aren’t talking about and selling the fact that William will be king someday. If it is the case, I do find it classic William the amount of time it took him to do something – he couldn’t be bothered for almost a year then decided he had to do something to highlight his increase in engagements when he is not getting the front page or a huge amount of coverage.
Or is it cover for whatever is happening in Norfolk?
I think William being insecure makes the most sense. There clearly is hostility between the brothers and this seems like William’s attempt to get ahead of any positive Sussex story by taking credit for separate households and putting the Sussexes in their place as beneath him.
As others have said on here before, this is what Charles and Di did with Andrew and Fergie. It came out years later that the Wales’s were behind the leaking and bad press the Yorks got to cover their marital strife.
History has been repeating itself with William and it will all come out in the wash. Harry will know what his brother is like and he will also know that William will throw Meghan under the bus to make his family look better – Harry allowed William to do it to him but its seem a line has been drawn. Harry is not prepared to allow William to use Meghan like this and good on him. William is loosing control over his brother and he is not reacting well to that.
If he wants that elder statesman role he’s going to need to work at it. His comments post-New Zealand terrorist attacks were terribly insensitive.
It’s interesting that he’s the most senior of the 4 younger royals in rank, yet attracts the least attention and popularity among them. Can’t imagine that playing well to his the ego of someone raised to believe they’re the most important person in the world.
Wonder if going to New Zealand is an attempt to gloss over his comments at the football game. He seemed clueless and callous.
Agree. This sounds like Cambridge spin.
When it was first mentioned that the Sussexes were moving to Frogmore all reports were that they were still going to have their office at KP, but KP hasn’t done crap to stop the barrage of crap against Meghan so the Queen and Charles are allowing them a team that will only focus on them.
This scripting of the Cambridges as power brokers is laughable. Nope, don’t buy it.
I’ve nothing to add here, but must share a convo I had with my mom about this:
Me: have you heard the latest royal rumors?
Mom: no…what’s going on?
Me: Well, there’s a rumor, only a rumor, that a certain prince might be cheating on his wife.
Mom: Harry? I hope he’s not cheating on Meghan.
Me: No, not Harry.
Mom: The other one? The ugly one?
Hahahaha. William was hot for a second and then the Windsor genes set in. Harry takes after his grandfather, google images of Prince Phillip as a young man – he was hot.
@Digital Unicorn, oh yes Prince Phillip was fine. I”m laughing over the ugly one?
Now now I’m sure Willy has a nice personality (rolling eyes)
LOL!
*Cringe face* Eesh. At a recent engagement, a young boy said that he didn’t know who William was until someone told him he was “Harry’s brother.”
I’m laughing..only because most people on this side of the pond don’t have a clue what is going on in the British Royal Family. Some parts of this story is most likely true just like some of the attacks on Meghan were most likely from the courtiers & no one else…not Kate, not William. Yes, Harry & Meghan wanted to be independent of the crown. They wanted their own household, staff & office due to what was happening with the courtiers during the wedding. That idea was quickly shot down but William most likely did request a separate household for his brother. The Queen instead gave them a household in Buckingham Palace. So she can oversee it. Their office might be separate but I don’t know. I don’t know how this works & wouldn’t presume to know how it does. I am only commenting & writing the above after reading various articles on it.
You…know that people on both sides of the pond comment here, right? And that commenting is done anonymously? I’m not saying that any of us have any great insight into any royal households (it would be very silly for anyone who does to comment here), but we know that royals have leaked to the papers directly many times before, and it’s not outside the bounds of probability that they might be doing so again.
The idea that all these attacks came from courtiers just doesn’t ring true.
” I am only commenting & writing the above after reading various articles on it. ” You’re giving your game way with this…
LOL
Don’t buy it, William doesn’t hold the purse strings his father and grandmother do. This is just spin to made Big Willy look good, he’s on the defensive. Wonder why?
Also as I said a few days ago, William has always exerted control over Harry and since Harry married that control is lessening and he is not reacting well to loosing his falll guy. This is William attempting to keep that control over Harry’s life by making out that he has some influence over the purse strings. As I said above he doesn’t, not yet anyway. The Sussex’s will eventually be funded by the sovereign grant, which is controlled by parliament not the Monarch directly IIRC, although I think the Monarch has the final say so on how the money is divided up.
Why is it so hard to believe that William and Harry are brothers who care about each other?
That does not mean they can’t have their issues, I see this with my own family. As siblings at heart we care about each other but we also have our issues with one another and dysfunctional relationships. Am sure many people can relate.
The fact that William made no attempt, through KP, to rebutt any of the cruel gossip about Meghan. The fact that he, Carole or both are likely to be instgators of the attacks because William has a history of scapegoating Harry and the Cambridges are threatened by H&M’s popularity.
To put it bluntly, I think Kate sees Meghan as a rival and a threat. Meghan has proven herself to be a more competant and harder worker than Kate is or ever was. Her years of laziness around her role caught up with her big time. Her recourse, likely through Carole and William, was to discredit Meghan via the media.
People don’t want to believe it but I think the Cambridge-Middletons are quite capable of such treachery tbh. The split of the courts points to a huge rift between the couples – I believe that if they got along they would have stayed together because despite what people say, a split doesn’t make a lot of sense right now. Also the Sussexes move to Windsor points to a rift. They leased a place in the Cotswolds that they loved while spending part of the week at KP and then abruptly announce a move to Windsor while giving up the Cotswolds home. It’s like they wanted to get out of a toxic situation quickly. I think eventually the tea will be spilled that this is what went down.
There is no “abrupt” move to Frogmore! It’s been said that while TQ didn’t gift it until they had the baby on the way, they were looking at it to be their home since getting engaged.
TQ doesn’t gift homes during engagements or as wedding gifts.
Also, WHY would you think W&H have to be attached like co-joined twins for the rest of their lives?? Because they are “Diana’s *Boys*”?? They are different men, with families of their own, with their own duties! TQ’s own children have their own offices. Why wouldn’t W&H have their own, as their own duties dictate?
I really just don’t understand why everyone is casting this as some big conspiracy between W&K and the Middletons against H&M.
I don’t think William and Harry should be “conjoined” but the fab four thing really caught on during the engagement and they could have capitalized on that in a perfect world. We really don’t know the truth as to whether the Queen gave them Frogmore Cottage because they were expecting. For me the evidence points to Harry and Meghan bailing from a toxic situation at KP. I truly hope that I am mistaken and that you are correct because if I am right it’s very sad indeed.
I think Frogmore is their “special place” because of their pre-engagement picnics there (that they spoke of in interviews), they had their wedding party there as well. I’m sure they mentioned it once or twice to Granny, which is why this is the property that was gifted. JMO, of course 😊
While I, too, thought the “Fab Four” was a great idea, in practicality, with duties going separate ways, it would be hard to maintain with consistency. Hasn’t it been said that they would still do at least 3-4 engagements per year together?
HM arranged for Frogmore Cottage while they were engaged. The initial plans for the revamp were submitted/approved April 2018. That means they were talking with architects and designers for months before their wedding. The second set of plans, which addressed different parts of the revamp like landscaping and solariums, were submitted/approved October 2018.
Perhaps what happened is Kate’s mother Carole is behind the attacks on Megan. Carole could have done it with Kate’s blessing or they could be in on it together. Once William found out he pulled the funding on “Party Pieces”…
William’s Turnip Toff friends see that the Middletons have lost William’s support, so now they are being loose with the gossip about William cheating on Kate.
Omid Scobie has already corrected the Mirror on their story. He never mentioned the Queen or Charles in his podcast. He’s not here to prop up William with lies.
William has been a busy boy these last few months, attempting save his brother and the monarchy from Meghan and the Turnip Toffs!
I think the anti-Meghan stories with ties to KP staff were too obvious. And the stories that William was furious Harry and Meghan were moving to BP and out from his control. This is just more after the fact spin to try to clean up William’s petulance about the whole thing.
Yep, the Cambridges overplayed their hand. Now Harry is on his own and they can’t use him to fix their PR issues or try to minimize the Sussexs work.
When Prince Charles and Diana were having problems, her private secretary wanted her office based out of BP. Prince Charles said no because BP is were the real power is.
I can see William supporting Harry having his own office, and the queen and Charles not opposing it. So basically I can see this story being true, but not with william being quite the hero this story makes him out to be.
Yeah, I’m not sure why so many people think it’s insane. I can see him saying “yeah, that’s a good idea – that’s what would be fair” or whatever. It’s not like I’m picturing him rushing in wearing a cape and smacking the Queen and Charles until they agree to grant this for Harry. But I can see him conveying to them that it’d be a good move for everyone. Beyond that – the only denial was the mention of Q&C – no denial on William supporting/requesting it.
Because Will has never been about fair with Harry.
William is off to New Zealand, hope when he get there, he is a a little more diplomatic, and don’t repeat, the nonsense that happened down there.
What happen?
He was at a Rugby match, when he made that silly statement.
I thought the NZ event for the mass-shooting victims was at the end of April, around Louis’ 1st bday…?
Could be, I just read he was going to NZ.
Hopefully he won’t decide to “wing” any comments this time and just go with prepared remarks.
Brother says hey, I want my own office, older brother says hey good idea.
Scandal, intrigue, ulterior motives.
I am sure there were quibbles, I am sure more than one person close to Harry had reservations and voiced them. By now it’s clear the House of Sussex are deeply in love and happy. I just don’t see the deep toxicity between these families so many want to see.
We have never once argued for or against the 472 tabloid pregnancies Jennifer Aniston has had yet these stories are defended with vengeance.
Richard Dennen, new Tatler editor, is a college friend of Kate’s. They went on vacation together several times. Expect Tatler to be furiously anti-Meghan until he is fired.
Indeed and that says EVERYTHING about these Sussex bashing articles.
Yep, and the Sussexes have to know about the connection and that contributed to them getting all of their own staff and moving away from KP.
exactly, I saw the photo of one them and a bunch of friends on holiday.
Its a lot like those years when Camilla would brief the Sun on a weekly basis, when Charles and Diana were married. That paper pummeled Diana.
The Tatler piece was brutal. My only question is: would W+K be so open and transparent in their take-down of Meghan? Like, run to a former college friend to write nasty stories about her rather than just whispering to royal reporters?
If that is the case, then the brothers are at an all-out open war. And maybe Harry’s camp/friends planted the William affair story? The Tatler piece has been in the pipeline for at least a few weeks, and the affair story appeared out of nowhere just as it came out. Harry and Meghan know how to play the PR game as well.
I know we all think much more highly of H+M than of W+K, but if these people are getting so PR dirty, maybe its coming from all sides?
Harry and Meghan hang out in the Cotswolds with their “Hollywood” friends, too busy with pregnancy, work, renovations and moving households, to have time for the Norfolk Toffs.
if Harry dump all or most of his friends, why would they be leaking stories on his behalf, Harry has shown he is man enough, not to resort to mud slinging.
@Cara, this actually makes sense. The Turnip toffs story leaked by the Sussex camp, a premeditated attack once they found out about the Tatler take down. So I wonder if we are going to be seeing this kind of back and forth more often. Perhaps it will be a war of the British rags vs the American ones, with both camps rushing to one or the other. Can’t wait. (sarcasm). Aren’t the royals so classy and mysterious?
I don’t think that Meghan and Harry leaked this story about William but it’s clearly that the Cambridge stans are going to spread this line around to place the blame squarely on the Meghan and Harry . If William didn’t thrown a tantrum and get his friend Richard to write a unhinged article throwing Meghan and Harry under the bus to repair his and Kate perfect image of the golden couple the story about alleged fued between Kate and some woman the story would have been died out by the next day. William made the story bigger than it was the only person responsible for William and Kate gossip about a affair is William. I find it so funny that the cambridge stans are coming up with conspiracy theories to placed blame on Meghan and Harry for William badpress right now. But when it was Meghan getting dragged by the racist unhinged royal reporters daily through her pregnancy anyone who dare said it the Cambridge camps behind the smear campaign they were called all sorts of names but now the table are turns it’s now it’s the evil Meghan and Harry playing pr games with the perfect future queen and king . The Richard guy who wrote the article spew nothing but racist hateful comments about Meghan daily why would Meghan and Harry speak to this man on or off the record to spread a rumor about William .
@Gemima my money would be on the Turnip story being leaked by somebody close to Rose. The original story about Kate thinking she was the Queen Bee but people liking the other woman as much or more than Kate? That sounds like they are closing ranks against Kate, future queen notwithstanding. H&M are collateral damage for this story, whether its an affair, feud whatever. Plus the Tatler story is just a rehash of the same old gossip, i.e. the tiara, hatgate, evil Sammy and Daddy Dearest, etc. Big yawn. I dont see H&M working up a sweat about this. But it sounds like W&K (and Carole) are sweating big time.
@Vanessa, I have no idea what is a “Cambridge stan”, I am certainly not one! I am actually not sure what you are even really saying, but as far as I can see Sussex fans routinely make the claim that the Cambridges are responsible for every single smear against Meghan, so why the rage when someone is speculating that maybe it goes the other way too? Maybe it doesn’t, it’s just gossip and speculation.
Of course the really ugly racism Meghan faces goes beyond just gossip and I certainly don’t approve of any of that. But I’m just speculating and I freely admit I have no proof of anything!
@Msiam: I’ve been wondering about that. The initial story didn’t necessarily make Kate seem awful, but it made sure to emphasize how well-liked Rose was among the Norfolk set. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of them still viewed Kate as an outsider. They’re extremely snobbish and insular. Harry and Meghan don’t even run with that crowd, so it’s funny that some people are so eager to claim they’re behind it.
There is zero evidence that Harry had anything to do with the turnip rumors. That has never been his MO. Running to reporters to smear Harry has been a Cambridge and Middleton special for years.
@Bluthfan, so you are saying there is evidence of the Cambridges scheming against Meghan? There’s evidence that William doesn’t love Kate and is cheating on her left and right? All these things are said with such finality and certainty, as if we really know anything! I know today’s gossip followers are very serious and remember happenings from decades ago and manage to keep track of which journalist went to school with which aristo, etc. but at the end of the day it is all just gossip and speculation. So I decided to do some of my own, I’m fine with being wrong.
How would Harry or Meghan even know about the Turnip Toff Tiff when they have only been in Sandringham a few times per year? Who is going to given them all the dirt? The desperate need to blame H & M for this story when it’s obvious that William screwed up in his sad PR attempts is hilarious. If the story was based in KP or somewhere they have actually been staying it might be plausible, but as it stands, there are a whole lot of people unwilling to admit their precious Normal Bill screwed up.
@Gemima, I think the knock on William &Kate is that they have maintained radio silence on what has happened to Meghan. The story I have always heard that it is the courtiers and the press who are roasting her but no one from KP has lifted a finger (and some rumors say they are fine with the bad press. Maybe they feel Meghan should take her lumps like the rest of them have in the press.) If you love your brother and his wife is being tormented why maintain silence on that? But if it’s your policy not to comment on stories in the press,ok fine, then why go postal about this Kate story?
@nic919, is this directed at me? I’m afraid I don’t know the answers to any of your questions! Maybe they have a contact that none of us knows about and they, like, use the telephone to gossip? Or the Internet? Maybe they go to Sandringham all the time and we don’t know about it? Like I said above, I am fine with being wrong, just speculating here like anybody else. I don’t need anyone to “prove” to me how this can or cannot be. I am fine with “admitting” that William screwed up, he’s not my “precious” anything LOL. I don’t actually know him? Apologies if this wasn’t directed at me, the reply and commenting here is a bit wonky sometimes isn’t it?
@MsIam, you’re certainly bringing up a valid point re: silence on the treatment of Meghan. But it’s not just Kate and William who are silent, it is the whole lot of them including Charles and the Queen. Surely they are all following some kind of strategy, whether it is right or not. Regarding this thing that we all know for certain, that William is the one who has rushed and “gone postal” on this Kate story, do we know this for a fact? Yes, we do not need actual facts to gossip and I suppose we can make educated guesses, but my point remains that we actually don’t know any of this.
I’d also like to add something, as a British person. I can see that people are very angry on behalf of Meghan. I see this as a response to terrible treatment meted out to her by the tabloid press. The Daily Mail and their ilk are truly vile and the best thing to do is really not give them any attention, any clicks etc. I think it is easy to become consumed by such media stories and assume that everyone here (general public and general media) are total racists who hate Meghan. We are not. Listen, I know as a British WOC that there is racism here and the tabloids stoke whatever they can for clicks and money. I find it easier to just not engage on that level. Meghan claimed recently that she doesn’t engage with all that, she doesn’t go on twitter or read comments. I think she has the right idea and I think I would follow her lead on this.
This doesn’t ring true at all. Harry and Meghan have weathered incredibly vicious, hateful, slanderous publicity for the last 2+ years and not ONCE retaliated. We’ve never heard so much as a negative peep about the Cambridges, the White Markles, Ninaki, Meghan’s ex. Nothing. Since Meghan, it’s been nonstop worship of the perfect white future king, queen, and their children. We only know about how trashy the White Markles are because of their other family members who revealed things like the other sister calling Doria “the maid”, their own criminal arrests, etc. We think Ninaki is terrible because we think, what kind of person takes the side of her friend’s husband? Other than that, we’ve had no details of the falling out other than people speculating about cheating. We know the ex is trash because his circle has leaked stories of Meghan leaving with her blender, public records reveal she didn’t ask for a cent of his money, and his thirsty circle are still promoting him/his wedding/his pilot/etc. In short, the only negative publicity attached to H&M’s “enemies” have been sourced elsewhere.
Also, H&M don’t even run in their circles. There’s a coordinated effort by tinhats to promote this narrative and blame W’s shenanigans on Meghan, somehow, when he’s been caught with some questionable behavior over the years. It’s not the first time it’s gotten out, and it looks like it won’t be the last.
Ok. You heard it here first. I don’t think Harry’s camp leaked anything. I would bet everything I own that the “rift“, is because Billy boy is cheating on Kate and Harry loves Kate and views her as his big sister. Harry called Billy out on it and that led to the current war between the brothers. As you were.
They are two contradicting statements from daily cancer. First Prince William seek advice from his Grandfather about separating the households
Was it to establish who wanted out?
Then the above story. Both cannot be seen as reasonable as a ongoing explanation.
Most likely Prince Harry chose his wife and ask for clarification as to whom his immediate bosses are. This is possible due to the three successful tours; the duchess impeccable work ethic and obvious results. The leaks did not define the duchess. Her demeanor and actions did.
I hope that they can mend their differences. But I sincerely wish Prince Harry and his family all the best. It has to be demoralizing to have your expectations dashed by a close relative. He has his own family with the addition of baby Sussex. The present is good.
That Evening Standard piece is from February 2018 not February 2019, but point still stands. From his Instagram, he looks like The Worst.
According to some poster on here the royals are supposedly to never ever complain about the press that William and Kate would never ever complain and explain they just let things go because their the future queen and king. Their both so matured and they would never let their friends speak out on their behalf like Meghan did . I don’t buy that William is this protected older brother looking out for his brother and his wife best interest when Meghan was getting attack daily by the royal reporters William did nothing both him And Kensington did nothing they own responds when their was a rumors about Kate yelling at Meghan that’s the only time they said anything .I honestly think this is just a damaging control by William and Kensington palace because of that story about him blown up because of that Richard guy William wants to played the role of being the protected older brother who is just looking out for his dumb implused 34 younger brother who married a American black woman who clearly out to destroy the royal family with her work ethic and wearing black nail polish not wearing a hat when the queen wears a hat . I’m not buying what William and Kensington palace is trying to sell us now William wants to acted like he cares about Harry and Meghan please
Bullshit. There’s has been no evidence that William has done anything to help the Sussexes. Considering KP has come out and refuted or pushed back on recent negative stories on Cambridges & Middletons and nothing was done to refuted the Sussex smears, no part of this passes the smell test. Looks like the Cambridges are just pushing more positive stories while stepping on Sussexes
My working theory is that the whole “Escandaloso Affair” bit involving W+K was a bit of payback from Harry, upset and irritated with his brother for not supporting his marriage and not supporting his wife, and generally being a Class A d*** regarding staff and so forth. It’s well known that William is a bit of an arrogant a$$. So, on the way out, Harry made sure everyone in the entire world knows that his brother isn’t exactly the family man that he’s made himself out to be.
Yeah. That doesn’t really make sense. Harry has never been one to run to the media to smear his brother while William has been doing that for over a decade. Harry also doesn’t have the connections in the media that the Middletons or Cambridges do. Richard Kay’s article is the one that blew the story up and that was clearly pushed by KP. It also smears Meghan in the article and makes Kate looks like a saint. Why would Harry want that article published? I think a lot of Cambridge fans are desperately trying to find some way to blame the affair rumors on the Sussexes to avoid facing how sleazy the Cambridges behavior has been.
Isn’t it funny how many of them are so quick to point the finger at the Sussexes but refuse to believe the Cambridges would ever sanction negative stories against other people?
The conspiracy theories that Kate and William stans is just ridiculous William is friends with the guy Richard who wrote the article not Harry . Why in the hell would Meghan and Harry speak to this Richard guy when he writes nothing but negative racist hateful things about Meghan daily . i think this leaked about William helping Harry is damage control to change the narrative to William and Kate are not what they seem and William is more like his father than he realize.The fact that in the article Meghan and Harry were throw under the bus again by William their were clearly diggs made at Meghan how kate is this perfect unicorn who never ever made mistakes while being a royal clearly in dig toward Meghan .The article also went out of their way to disparage Meghan friends because their from Hollywood. It’s was oh she doesn’t want friends from aristocratic crowds she too Hollywood the way these so called aristocratic talked about her before they even meet her proves Harry and Meghan point .
@Anon the affair rumors came to the front because of the the OTT rebuttal story regarding William being upset over the Kate/Rose feud story.
Where do you see Harry’s hand in that? Why would Harry care who W&K are friends with?
People are assuming (yes assuming) it’s an affair because of William’s (Carole’s) reaction to the original Kate feud story. What is he trying to hide that he needs to silence/bury this story? Because the next question to ask is why are they feuding? Over what? Or who, lol?
Exactly. We’re supposed to believe that Harry told the Sun that “Kate and her friend aren’t friends anymore”? Unless the conspiracy theory now is that Harry ran to Richard Kay who proceeded to…trash the rumors and the Sussexes, while elevating the Cambridges?
I can’t stand the Cambridges anymore.
I doubt PW had any say on the matter. PC and the Queen made the decision because they have the money. William, like Harry, counts on daddy for his household. PW probably threw a tantrum because Harry was getting his own household and wouldn’t have to report into him.
@ geminana I’m not raging at you you’re line about Meghan and Harry being responsible for the rumors are exactly what Kate and William stans are saying on the internet. And my point is that if William would have let the original story go it wouldn’t have blown up the way it did if he didn’t go to Richard Kay to write article thrown Meghan and Harry under the bus in the same article painting himself and Kate are the most perfect future queen and king of England. Where their smoke their fire if William would have kept to the party line constantly being thrown around here when Meghan friends defend her for the racist hateful campaign never explain never complain that mudune story about Kate and Rose would have die out by the next day .
*As Richard Scarry* What do people do all day?
That Richard Kay’s piece looks something he wrote on his own to draw attention to a story that was ignored the first time it was published by the daily mail. I don’t believe anyone ran to him,above all when the piece itself is not only weirdly written but parts of it seem absolutely designated to fuel speculation. Honestly,I see a lot of assumptions,noticeably the fact that everyone involved is a Middletons’ friend,a William’s friend,a Kate’s classmate willing to do the ugly work on her behalf.. And why? Because there’s something shady,negative written about the other two.
If Kay has written plenty of petty pieces about the Cambridges in the past,where does the notion that he’s their mouthpiece come from? Same for his remarks about M&H. Why we can’t assume that he’s just expressing his own feelings,since evidently he doesn’t like them?
I also don’t understand why some people are so sure that KP is busy issuing denials for this feud non-story,threatening with legal actions.. There’s no evidence about it.
As for the Tatler piece,it was obviously written a while ago for their wedding anniversary,and it was published on their site the other day because the May issue has already hit the newsstands.
While the wording is very often shady,and actually it’s not incredibly nice towards Kate and William either,it doesn’t even look to me a “takedown”. It regurgitates some recycled gossip,but I agree with other posters that it offers a good insight in their circles’ dynamics.
Also, I don’t know.. has Tatler been overly nice in the past writing about Meghan? No,because the style of that piece is exactly their brand,without looking into Kate’s old classmates..
This constant research for the extra “connections” to prove a conspiracy theory is also funny because a lot of times these people,including Harry,used to run or still run in the same circles. It isn’t surprising in the least.
The one thing I know for certain is Harry married a woman who was up for the job. He clearly loves and adores her, but she also has the intelligence and backbone to deal with being a royal. Talk about never putting a foot wrong, Meghan hasn’t done anything wrong. Nail polish? Bullshit. What she is like behind closed doors? Only the people who met her would know. The same for all of the Windsor’s. The truth is they could not be people you necessarily would want to hang out with, but as far as the job, Meghan has the ability to connect, she is interested in the people she meets, etc. the cookbook and the handmade banana bread she brought to the farm were simply inspirered.