By now, I think every single person with a passing interest in gossip or pop culture knows the basic gist of the Kanye West-Taylor Swift saga. Ten years ago, Kanye bum-rushed Taylor at the VMAs, stole her moment and her mic and “Imma let you finish…” became instantly iconic. Time passed. Kanye apologized a million times. Kanye and Taylor both made lots of music and both became even more successful and even more popular. At some point, it seemed like they truly buried the hatchet. At the 2015 VMAs, Taylor presented Kanye with his Vanguard Award.
Then, in January/February 2016, sh-t fell apart again. Kanye released The Life of Pablo, and one of the songs was “Famous,” which included the lyrics: “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex/Why? I made that bitch famous.” As soon as it came out, Taylor turned on Kanye publicly, and acted like the lyrics were so inappropriate. Kanye tried to tell people that he had gotten Tay’s permission, but the Tay-Victim train was already on the tracks. It wasn’t until months later that Kim Kardashian posted (on Snapchat) the tape of the conversation Kanye and Taylor had over the phone about the lyrics. To be fair to Tay, all the Snaps proved was that she gave her permission for the “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex” line. To be fair to Kanye, he was telling the truth about seeking her approval and she even told him that it was no problem if he wanted to name-check her. She had played it for months like Kanye had not even given her a heads up, when clearly, he did.
Why all this background? Because three years after the Summer of Receipts, Taylor is still talking about that sh-t. Kanye and Kim have truly moved on – they haven’t mentioned her in YEARS. Meanwhile, Taylor lives her entire life boiling with rage about how Kim briefly owned her publicly. Kimye lives in Taylor’s head rent-free in the year of our lord 2019. All of this is from Taylor’s completely bonkers Rolling Stone interview, which you can read here.
The hate frenzy of 2016: “People love a hate frenzy. It’s like piranhas. People had so much fun hating me, and they didn’t really need very many reasons to do it. I felt like the situation was pretty hopeless. I wrote a lot of really aggressively bitter poems constantly. I wrote a lot of think pieces that I knew I’d never publish, about what it’s like to feel like you’re in a shame spiral. And I couldn’t figure out how to learn from it. Because I wasn’t sure exactly what I did that was so wrong. That was really hard for me, because I cannot stand it when people can’t take criticism. So I try to self-examine, and even though that’s really hard and hurts a lot sometimes, I really try to understand where people are coming from when they don’t like me. And I completely get why people wouldn’t like me. Because, you know, I’ve had my insecurities say those things — and things 1,000 times worse.
The context behind Kanye’s phone call to her about “Famous”: “The world didn’t understand the context and the events that led up to it. Because nothing ever just happens like that without some lead-up. Some events took place to cause me to be pissed off when he called me a bitch. That was not just a singular event. Basically, I got really sick of the dynamic between he and I. And that wasn’t just based on what happened on that phone call and with that song — it was kind of a chain reaction of things.”
Reconnecting with Kanye in 2015: “I started to feel like we reconnected, which felt great for me — because all I ever wanted my whole career after that thing happened in 2009 was for him to respect me. When someone doesn’t respect you so loudly and says you literally don’t deserve to be here — I just so badly wanted that respect from him, and I hate that about myself, that I was like, “This guy who’s antagonizing me, I just want his approval.” But that’s where I was. And so we’d go to dinner and stuff. And I was so happy, because he would say really nice things about my music. It just felt like I was healing some childhood rejection or something from when I was 19.”
The 2015 VMAs: “But the 2015 VMAs come around. He’s getting the Vanguard Award. He called me up beforehand — I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you. But he called me up, maybe a week or so before the event, and we had maybe over an hourlong conversation, and he’s like, “I really, really would like for you to present this Vanguard Award to me, this would mean so much to me,” and went into all the reasons why it means so much, because he can be so sweet. He can be the sweetest. And I was so stoked that he asked me that. And so I wrote this speech up, and then we get to the VMAs and I make this speech and he screams, “MTV got Taylor Swift up here to present me this award for ratings!” [His exact words: “You know how many times they announced Taylor was going to give me the award ’cause it got them more ratings?”] And I’m standing in the audience with my arm around his wife, and this chill ran through my body. I realized he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk sh-t. And I was so upset. He wanted me to come talk to him after the event in his dressing room. I wouldn’t go. So then he sent this big, big thing of flowers the next day to apologize. And I was like, “You know what? I really don’t want us to be on bad terms again. So whatever, I’m just going to move past this.”
The call about “Famous”: “So when he gets on the phone with me, and I was so touched that he would be respectful and, like, tell me about this one line in the song…And I was like, “OK, good. We’re back on good terms.” And then when I heard the song, I was like, “I’m done with this. If you want to be on bad terms, let’s be on bad terms, but just be real about it.” And then he literally did the same thing to Drake. He gravely affected the trajectory of Drake’s family and their lives. It’s the same thing. Getting close to you, earning your trust, detonating you. I really don’t want to talk about it anymore because I get worked up, and I don’t want to just talk about negative sh-t all day, but it’s the same thing. Go watch Drake talk about what happened. [West denied any involvement in Pusha-T’s revelation of Drake’s child and apologized for sending “negative energy” toward Drake.]
Reader, I laughed when she brought up DRAKE! Drake tried to hide a whole-ass child from the world and Pusha T spilled all the TEA and Kanye was like “I want no part of this!” Seriously, the most anyone could ever say about Kanye’s involvement in the Drake-Pusha thing is that he was possibly-maybe indiscreet about some gossip. Kanye wasn’t pushing Pusha T to spill the tea about Drake’s child. And Taylor is like “THIS IS KANYE’S FAULT TOO!”
I’m not going to get into as much detail as Taylor about all the timelines and all of that, partly because Rolling Stone was kind of calling her out on her bullsh-t through their bracketed notes too. Kanye wasn’t criticizing Taylor in his 2015 VMA speech, he was criticizing MTV for turning the sh-t into a circus. And I remember that Kanye sent Taylor flowers after the VMAs too – he didn’t send them as an apology, he sent them as a f–king “thank you.” But do you see how everything gets distorted in TayWorld? When you live inside your own ass, you see everything through the prism of “I’m always the victim in every story.” What’s f–ked up is that if Taylor actually let some sh-t go and stopped misrepresenting herself into a corner, we might actually be able to see, “oh right, Kanye is a piece of sh-t for this and that.” We know Kanye’s problematic behavior well enough – she should not have to work this f–king hard to villainize him, you know?
Photos courtesy of Getty.
Where were K&K when they recorded Kanye’s phone call w/ Taylor. Bc NY is a one-party consent state where you can record whatever business call you want so long as you’re a part of the conversation. (I know this after many years of recording calls with shady male managers who always had any semblance of nefarious intentions with me.)
Kim wasn’t there. Kanye recorded it in California. And then somebody badly cut and spliced it.
THIS!! While I’m no KS fan, and actually I truly dislike K&K, when they say Kimmode “dropped the receipts”, it bugs the hell out of me, because it was SO OBVIOUSLY edited.
As discussed on twitter. She either needs to drop the gossip bomb or shut up about it. Hinting about Kimye’s nefarious acts without providing details is just boring. And I’m a proud member of the snake fam 🐍
The way Taylor structures this narrative lessens all legitimacy of her issues with Kanye. Kanye is problematic af. We know this.
But Taylor uses her words to ignite the fury of her masses, and TRULY the way I’ve seen some of her die hard fans discuss the Kanye-Taylor beef is really problematic. Sometimes just downright racist. The mean black man and white female victim trope is bad for society. Nevermind that we are talking about Kanye, a black man with self admitted mental health issues. This beef has so many implications outside of just Kanye and Taylor. I cannot with it anymore.
She criticizes white supremacy and yet, she acts as a white victim all the time. Kanye was stupid af? Yes and we all know that. But own the fact you lied and move on. Taylor knows her fans act like bullies and she enables them. She knew she was considered a sort of Arian princess and said nothing until going against it benefited her.
I agree with this. she actually makes me want to side with Kanye here and I feel all sorts of confused about that, lol. But she knows what she is doing, and that’s playing her part as the white woman who is victimized by a black man.
The fact that Rolling Stone keeps inserting those comments tells me that even the reporter/editor were rolling their eyes at a lot of her comments.
This beef has so many implications outside of just Kanye and Taylor. I cannot with it anymore.
@T. Perfect, sentence is perfect. Thank you.
There’s a lot of talk about how Kanye is a narcissist, but we all know Swifty is also a giant narcissist, right? RIGHT?!
This whole thing was bonkers and you’ve summed it up perfectly.
I totally agree except for the part about mental health issues. Kanye obviously suffers from mental health issues but that’s not excuse for his actions or behavior. Personally I found the Famous music video to be vile and his mental issues were not to blame for that piece of trash.
Yup. It says a lot that so much of the world has washed its hands of Kanye, and yet Swift still can’t get enough people (in her mind) to feel sorry for her.
Even if we put aside (not that we should, yikes) her pandering and encouraging a racist narrative… girl, you are the highest-paid celebrity of 2019 with yet another chart-topping album where you cannot stop gushing about your inhumanly beautiful and oh-so-entrancingly British boyfriend. (Which, full disclosure, I have been listening to on repeat!) Also: the world is on fire. And yet a few months in 2016 is where your head’s at? Seriously, what are these choices.
“Nevermind that we are talking about Kanye, a black man with self admitted mental health issues.”
Sorry, but just because he has mental issues, self-admitted or by a professional, it doesn’t give him a pass to say/do whatever he wants w/out repercussions. Neither does being black.
Again… I don’t have a dog in this fight. Not a KS fan by any stretch, and I don’t care for K&K either. But doctored “receipts” and the naked mannequin crap… yeah, no. Just no. And TS needs to grow the hell up out of this perpetual teen princess victim mode.
Kanye 100% is responsible for his actions. What I’m trying to articulate is how Taylor and her fans have continued to discuss him feeds into a larger and dangerous trope. And THAT is not OK.
I’m tired of hearing about this, period. Good God. While I can believe he did manipulate her & all she wanted was for him to accept her she does need to accept responsibility for her own behavior. I’d own the b*tch comment but that’s me. And Kanye, there’s no excuse for his behavior. I’m not talking about how he interrupted her acceptance speech…I’m talking about the Famous video. You can be mentally ill & a jerk. We are allowed to criticize both Kanye & Taylor for their behaviors in this feud.
She is one of the biggest liars, and I’m not even sure she’s aware of it. It’s completely frustrating to see her get away with articles like this. It’s exhausting. One doesn’t have to side with Kanye to see Taylor is the one is who is wrong in this “feud”. She has nothing else going on that interests the public so she keeps going back to it, I wish she would just realize that she shouldn’t need feuds and blind items to keep her on the charts.
I totally agree. She’s so out of her mind, and when this interview goes tits up, it will be the reporters fault, her teams fault, but not hers. It’s obnoxious.
Well, to be fair, this album cycle is the first time she’s talked about it. Problem is it’s three-year old news.
Later in the article she says she’s never been to therapy. In my armchair opinion, she really, really (really) needs to go. A think a therapist could help her sort out her feelings (and I really do think it would be traumatic to be so roundly “cancelled” by so many people), but I also think a good therapist could low-key call her out on inventing narratives that don’t always reflect the 100% truth and work with her on that.
This is peak white privilege.
For sure. It’s definitely rich white people problems, but it’s just super clear to me that she has no one in her life telling her the truth and that everyone around her is enabling this weird mental narrative she’s built (probably because she bankrolls them).
‘That was really hard for me, because I cannot stand it when people can’t take criticism.’ Seriously?????? I’m dying over here.
Right?? The whole interview was like that, it was f–king bonkers
I WOOFED. This from the girl who answered a throwaway joke from Poehler and Fey with the “there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t support other women” quote.
Yup, and it’s worth reading this 2010 post from NPR’s Pop Culture observer, Linda Holmes:
https://www.npr.org/2010/02/05/114515149/a-response-to-taylor-swifts-label-on-tuning-hating-and-tearing-down
Back then, NPR had an open comment forum, and let me tell you, young girls who probably tuned out their parent’s public radio choice suddenly had accounts & proceeded to tsunami the comment section w/ their lack of critical thinking skills.
Another 2010 from Linda “Taylor Swift Sings That Kanye Can Get to Heaven”.
She’s ridiculous. She writes some catchy songs, but her persona is so ick that I could not and will never be a fan.
Read some of this yesterday and while I’m no Swift ‘stan (far too old, for one), it all sounds plausible to me. Does this main Taylor is a saint, and Kayne a sinner? Nah. I don’t feel sorry for any of these incredibly rich and pampered people. But always baffled by idea that Kim and Kayne are some paragons of virtue beyond taking stuff out of context and serious spin. I mean, that’s kind of Kim’s ENTIRE career.
Yes, Swift should just let it go. But, at same time, didn’t feel like she was throwing anyone under the bus. Never got all the hate for her, beyond just being a prissy pop princess. She’s certainly no more spoiled than the Kardashian-Wests, and both have enthusiastic, to an unhealthy degree, fanbases they’ve frequently sicc-ed on their so-called haters.
I mean, they’re basically all snakes in my books. #TeamNoOne
Taylor sounds like me when I was an insecure teenager. Wanting the approval of a popular guy who was mean to me in front of the other popular kids but nice to me over AOL instant messenger. Kanye does sound like a two faced a-hole. But my gosh, she really is immature. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me… Taylor at a certain point you have to take ownership for the fact that you’re playing the game just as much as he is after he has shown you who he is numerous times. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. She seriously needs to take some time to mature as a person. She is coming across as a bit Borderline and codependent. I still have hope for her. Kanye, not so much. He is who he is.
I’ve always been fairly neutral about the whole kimye vs Taylor thing, but what she said here actually resonated with me. I can totally believe that he was manipulative-sweet to her in private, but then trying to act cool by distancing himself from her in public, and I can see how she snapped.
That said, it is a bit boring to still be talking about it so much now. She should have given these interviews, while promoting her Reputation album, but she made a big thing about how she wasn’t doing interviews.
Is her new album not selling well enough? Why can’t she ever stop talking about Kanye? She seems to think/talk more about him than all of her ex-boyfriends and friends combined. If he’s such a horrible person then why did she crave his respect for so long? Why did/does she care at all? It’s really weird/sad.
Her album is doing fine…though it didn’t do a million first week sales like she’s used to. She’s probably more than a little annoyed by that, especially with the multiple editions that she likes to release to bulk up her sales.
No, she just seems to like going back to the same old schtick of playing the victim. She really has the nerve to condemn white supremacy in one breath while continuing to lean hard on the “fragile white girl” trope in another. It’s appalling. I really do wish the 2009 incident hadn’t happened…she would’ve just been another Carrie Underwood without it.
I just gave her flak for obsessing in another comment, but you’ve just made me consider it’s entirely possible she’s obsessed because that moment was the tipping point, career- and image-wise. It might not actually be about Kanye at all — although I give her no points for not being aware of how she pandered to racist tropes of dangerous black men and frail white women needing the protection and support of the masses from those men. She might have focused on whatever it was that marked the point where she went from insane critical and commercial success to… something slightly less than that. Because I do believe she’s a self-critical perfectionist, while still lacking in self-awareness.
But you know, I’m always going to suspect this got under her skin because Kim just proved to be better and sneakier at Swift’s own Mean Girl game. She won’t ever NAME Kim, because she knows feuding directly with a reality TV star with a sex tape would do more damage to her optics than anything else, so she tries to make it about the fellow super-accoladed musician (and aforementioned scary black man, a less riskier target). But even now Swift’s little “I didn’t illegally record it for you, so I can’t play it” remark is so, so telling. She thinks she’s better than Kim Kardashian-West in almost every way — in terms of talent, intelligence, brand, and overall classiness — and so she never saw Kim coming. I don’t think she’s ever going to get over that.
No one gets points…lol. I read the article. I disagree that Taylor’s bonkers. She’s narcissistic.
So basically now that some time has passed she is trying to re-write history. Being the most recent voice on the matter doesn’t make your story the ‘right’ one. Yes Kanye is problematic, yes Kanye has mental health issues, and no Taylor, you aren’t perfect – you just happened to get caught out on this occasion. Own it – it is possible for both you and Kanye to be wrong and still have a fan base.
I like Taylor and I have come to love her music, but… for the love of God woman SHUT UP about Kanye. She’s been beefing with him for 10 freaking years! Kanye got over this stuff 3 years ago. She’s goading him to keep up this stupid feud and it’s so tiresome.
It also seems Tay Tay is conveniently forgetting Kanye has known, formally diagnosed mental illness. An almost 30 year old woman continually picking on a man with BPD who doesn’t want to fight with her. This is bad optics all around and it doesn’t seem she’ll ever figure this out.
My conspiracy theory after reading the article is that she thought ‘aha, Kanye said in private that it would mean so much to him if i presented that vanguard award to him, but then acted like he was calling it (and by extension me) out as publicity-grubbing in public. So now I’ll turn the tables and act like I’m cool with the lyric in private and call it out in public, and then he’ll see how it feels!’ Except it backfired because Kimye were recording the call.
Mama Mia!
Here we go again!
Kanye is two faced, unstable, and generally ain’t shit even in the better phases of his life…
AND Tay Tay is a codependent, narcissistic, truth twisting, dog whistling darth becky who needs to get a damned grip and get some therapy.
And I have real issues with “calling” out as two faced someone we know to be have bipolar disorder and who is usually untreated or undertreated for it.
Her Fay Wray routine is old as hell. If she had an ounce of maturity or introspection or true self preservation, she’d put an embargo on it before walking into interviews.
But old girl thrives on it. She really cannot see that she can succeed on her own.
Thing is: she is just perfect to be picked as the clueless privileged white girl and be hated for it.
And she doesn’t get it. She keeps talking and talking.
Or maybe she does because she became woke not to be antagonised y the industry.
S!!! Yes, yes, TeamNoOne. Me too. Taylor get some THERAPY. Seriously. If you can’t, on your own, and in good time, let crap go … see a therapist. A good one can change your friggin’ life. She wasn’t put on this earth to make Kanye 100% happy and he wasn’t put on this earth to make Taylor 100% happy. And can I just say, as a human who has let other humans live “rent free” in my mind my whole life, it is so, so, so amazingly freeing to work to get to a place where you are like, nah, no more.
Shut up about it. (Said in Sandor Clegane’s voice). Quit your whinging.
I do miss The Hound.
My mouth fell open when I read the line about Kim K trying to “destroy her life” and stayed frozen like that until I read “look at Drake” and I started to laugh and fondly reminisced on that beef for a while. I see why she compared herself to Drake, they both always want to play the victim.
This entire interview was NUTS! From her mom dyeing her hair pink, to the smell of the fresh baked cookies she just made, to the big black man tricking her into trusting him and taking advantage of the poor little blonde white child. GTFOH, she’s a whole grown woman and Kimye hasn’t said a word about her in YEARS!! In the article she talks about never going to therapy. I hope she reads this and decides to seek some.
That story about presenting Kanye with the Vanguard award really shows that she’s surrounded herself with sycophants. She heard something entirely different from what he actually said, blew it up into this big epic drama she’s still stewing about years later, and apparently not a single person in her life was like ‘uh, I think you just misunderstood him’.
She really does need therapy.
One step forward, two steps back. I hate that she occasionally says thoughtful things, but then bookends them with all these ridiculous interviews about her eternal victimhood. She’s so much work!
On a related note, her song “Begin Again” cracks me up every single time I hear it. It’s her narrating this first date after another failed relationship. And there’s a moment where the dude starts babbling about something and it derails her…because she was dying to talk about her ex on the very first date! I’m sure Taylor really is like that. You don’t have to know her long at all before you get the laundry list of all the people who have wronged her. And then hear it over, and over, and over…
Kanye started this whole sh-tty mess. End of story. Yes he did apologize, but he is still an entitled tool – not that Taylor isn’t – but Kanye started this sh-t. It never needed to happen. Kanye is just a narcissistic invasive fool. The only thing I’m surprised about is that he hasn’t done it to multiple other people.
And Taylor keeps it going. So that makes her not a victim but willing participant. Especially considering that literally EVERYONE else involved has moved on. Kanye apologized. NUMEROUS times. At what point does a person get to stop apologizing for $hit that happened ten years ago?? You don’t have to like Kanye to get how messed up that is And don’t get me started with her not so thinly veiled “scary black man scares innocent white woman” trope that she’s been playing at for years.
I agree with you about Kanye starting this but come on, it’s been years now. A f*cking KARDASHIAN was involved in this mess and she’s moved on and is not milking this story for media attention.
Taylor needs to calm down.
She’ll be 80 and still talking about it. I know as children our parents would tell us to “let it go.” Seriously there are bigger things in life than this. Obviously her mama didn’t teach her to let things go. Yes she needs a therapist.
A lot of people think she’s narcissist, but she very much comes off as borderline. Girl get yourself some therapy, and I mean that in a good way. You have the resources. Do it.
I think she is baiting them to start a fight.
She is baiting all the scooter minions so that when they fight back, she will recorded her old songs then swifties will buy her cd to pay back at scooter.
I think so too. I think it will always bother her and the fact that Kim and Kanye carry on without giving her any attention kills her so she’s picking at him. It’s not a good look at all. Not only does she seem pretty and delusional she is also goading a man with BPD. She wants to be the victim so bad but she is the bully here.
*edit to add because I can’t edit my other comment: the first song on Lover is I Forgot That You Existed. Lol Tay, you so have not! This whole interview is bonkers. Zero self awareness. I agree with other comments that she needs therapy because this is some hard core delusion.
Every time this woman opens her mouth she confirms why I can’t f*cking stand her. She is a liar who got caught and yet still wants to blame other people. She plays with the “scary black man” narrative with Kanye while talking about how bad white supremacy is. She is a 30 year old woman with the emotional maturity of a 16 year old. Again – in case you were wondering…I can’t STAND HER.
you expressed my feelings for her exactly. i’ve never been able to stand this girl. her emotional development is stuck in ‘teenager’ – because that’s what happens when you become famous at that age.
I literally said exactly this on the other Taytay post about how people get stuck at the age they become famous. Taylor became famous at 16. And she’s stuck there. And not normal
16. Rich, mean, popular girl 16.
This! Preach. She acts and talks like she’s still in.high school. I like her music but I can’t listen or read anything she says it’s so immature! She reminds me or Trump actually. like there are people struggling to make ends meet in the real world must be nice to stir up drama. I still don’t and never will understand what Tom saw in her. She is the epitome of white priv.
The more and more Swifty speaks, the more and more I know that she has a ton of fantastic people around her to cultivate this image that she is this genius businesswoman.
She is not.
Oh my God, she needs to STOP! Get over it woman! I have no idea why she bought it up AGAIN! It’s done and dusted and literally NO ONE cares about it anymore. Kim and Kanye, separately and together, have gone through like ten different controversies and been cancelled and rehabilitated and dominated entire news cycles all over the world about so much stupid stuff they do and she is still living 2016 over and over again.
I could not believe it that she is still rehashing it. Blows my mind.
Remember that Taylor basically has to talk about this shit because the normal narratives for her album launch won’t work anymore. She’s in a fairly stable long term relationship that she wants to “keep private” so there’s no more crazy liner note clues and guessing games about which ex belongs to which song. All the mushy songs are about Joe, the end. This is what she’s left with as a self-promotion tool. It’s a shame too, because I like the album! It’s good pop music!
As someone who has bipolar disorder, I kind of resent people saying that she shouldn’t taunt him/try to get him worked up because of his diagnosis.
No.
She shouldn’t do that simply because it’s dumb and bratty. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, mental illness notwithstanding.
I struggle with my illness every single day. But the last thing I want is to be treated differently. How am I supposed to cope and learn how to act in a world that views me as weird (even in a sensitive way) with kid gloves on?
It must be extremely hard being a public figure with a known mental illness. But he still deserves to be treated like a human being, not some defective creature.
I hope he’s getting the help he needs.
I deeply apologize, it’s not my intention to make anyone feel defective.
I do feel it’s the human thing to do, the compassionate thing to do to treat others with care generally speaking, yes but also specifically if you are aware of an issue.
I wouldn’t invite a vegan to a steakhouse, an atheist to church, serve milk to someone who is lactose intolerant. And I certainly wouldn’t use loaded terms to describe an interaction with someone I knew to be dealing with a complicated issue.
We can speak of behavior without devolving to stereotypes and trading in stigma.
I apologize too. This was so not my intention. I don’t think she’s taunting him, but I think she very carefully inspires her fans to attack Kanye in ways that are simply not OK. Like you said, any human being – mentally ill or not – does not deserve that. And I am speaking as a person who has HUGE issues with Kanye. But this narrative Taylor tauts is dangerous.
I loathe Taylor and even more so when she made me side with Kimye (barf).
I’m choosing to side with neither bc they are all trash
Taylor’s approval or not, I still think Kanye deserved to be roasted to hell and back for that lyric. It was mysoginistic as hell, and even if Taylor manipulated the whole thing to be the victim, I don’t like that people acted like Kanye did nothing wrong. That lyric was awful, and he’s the one who wrote it.
As for Taylor… I really think she suffers of a Benjamin Button kind of syndrome, and it especially shows in her music. She’s growing up backwards. She seemed more mature and smart in the beggining of her career than she does now.
I agree with all the people here saying she’s surrounded by too many yes-people. Someone needs to slap her with a reality check. I used to not mind her, but her whole victim schtick is getting way too old. I feel like every interview I read of her, every song she puts out there now, has some degree of victimization to it.
you summed it up perfectly! Benjamin Button syndrome is exactly what she has. I remember when her third album came out and the review in (I think it was) Rolling Stone marveled at how a twenty-year-old could write such sharply observed, thoughtful lyrics–they pointed out that even people twice her age couldn’t manage the same thing. She came across as poised and relatively grounded in interviews when she was eighteen, nineteen. Now we have brilliant lines like “shade never made anyone less gay” (???) and the endless foofaraw around Kanye and Kim, like she’s in high school.
Just casually sliding in “I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you.”
This woman STICKS. TO. HER. TALKING. POINTS.
hahahahaha #truth. At least we can give her that
These two assholes in the news again? This girl lives in the past, and has zero insight into herself.
Honey find another angle to promote you $hitty music. Her inane lyrics make my ears bleed (see Blank space or tape or whatever that crappy song is. Shouting out random words are lyrics?).
I’m glad her album sales aren’t what they used to be. It’s about time her fanbase grew up and out of her. She’s a one-note talentless hack who just got great marketing people surrounding her.
I really don’t like how she is painting this master manipulative and evil image over someone with real mental health issues. It just seems really wrong to me.
Not that Kanye should be free of criticism (he shouldn’t), but the way she phrased things I don’t like
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Also, THIS is how you know girlfriend is nowhere near the realm of engaged. She wouldn’t be repackaging her precious white lady victim complex AGAIN if she had literally anything else to talk about.
I know everyone has their problems… But I’m just so SICK of Taylor Swift wanting me to feel sorry for her. She’s Taylor Swift! Beautiful, talented, rich! I don’t feel sorry for her! I just don’t! Shut up already!
I liked it better when she gave no interviews.
She sounds so… white all the time. She’s like those people who say big words in the internet to get cookies points and seem “woke” when in reality they don’t know anything.
Also, she lied. The first thing she said was that Kanye never called her in the first place, then she changed the script when Kim dropped the receipts. But honestly, get over it, move on because not even the Kardashians mention this as much as her.
I don’t like her at all but quite frankly find her stupid to not use the situation to her advantage at all. Instead she played a victim knowing how it would play in the media and her fandom.
She SHOULD have used his ‘diss’ and responded lightheartedly in kind via her own track. Then the audience for both artists would have followed along like it was their favorite telenovela. Eventually they could have found some sort of professional reconciliation and just moved on to other projects.
But noooooo, first she is the fragile white victim that no one needed and then later drums up an awkward bad girl power image that DOESN’T WORK.
On Kanye’s part, man, I havre REAL issues with using her naked body in effigy without consent. I feel like so many women are ignoring this hugely problematic behavior because of their dislike for Taylor but in any other case would be absolutely outraged. Soon enough it’ll happen again (like with those porn dolls made in anyone’s image without permission) and the women that stayed silent are going to start protesting. Hypocrits.
Looking at the rolling stone article, it seems to me TScwas only answering the interviewers questions. He asked her about Kanye and the phone call and she responding. She does talk about her insecurities a lot, but again, that to me was because of the direction the interviewer went.
They field those questions first. She’s only discussing Kanye because she wanted to.
Can someone please explain to me how the song “Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince” is about politics??? Is Obama the Heartbreak Prince or something? lol
THANK YOU!! It’s just Taylor and her fans to trying to throw stuff to the wall to see what sticks.
It’s not a great political song because she had to mix in a romance angle that doesn’t really work with it. But people interpret the verse that goes:
American glory
Faded before me
Now I’m feeling hopeless
Ripped up my prom dress
Running through rose thorns
I saw the scoreboard
And ran for my life
as about the Trump election. I think if you take that verse in isolation it works, and I like the idea of equating high school naivety with her personal relationship with politics/being apolitical. Dismissing her previous insistence on staying quiet on politics to avoid pissing people off the way the Dixie Chicks did as “You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes” is a great idea. But the song as a whole is just too disjointed and so it doesn’t quite get there IMO – it’s almost a good song I think.
I keep coming back to this because her angst over being “cancelled” and how devastating that was is such a clear example of why many of us have a visceral reaction to her.
She was not canceled. Her base still loves her and stood by her. Only people who already felt some kind of way or didn’t care at all came for her. The defense of her has been rigorous and vocal. There was no commercial blowback. She lost no gigs, no deals, nothing.
Meanwhile, we saw Janet’s boob curve and she not only lost years of her career but Les Moonves had a complete hatefire for her.
And Janet was a grown established adult who hit celebrity as a child.
So I need this chick to get it to damned gether
Ha…she tries to self-examine? BS. She is a forever victim who will never understand criticism about her…whether it’s her love life, song writing, voice, friendships, etc. Meanwhile, Kanye is an asshole who thinks he’s a lot smarter than he really is. They are both narcissistic and don’t seem to have a single person in their life who doesn’t enable their behavior. I appreciate the tea, but I only believe half of what she says because of her reputation for playing victim. It’s been years and she’s still talking about him. I think she’s poking the bear to get some kind of response from Kanye/Kim – which they are wisely not giving into. Just let it go Taylor. Your true colors came out and you are still fine. You are still popular, in love, rich and successful. Most people did not buy the fake, innocent, “American’s Sweetheart” routine anyway.
Her comment about not being able to stand people who can’t take criticism has me cracking up. Taylor is totally Little Miss Perfect and I bet she allows no one in her circle to tell her like it is.
I actually feel sad for her in the sense that she is surrounded by yes- people, and will forever be running on this hamster wheel of self- pity and victimization. It’s the same story with all these young stars, they have people feeding off of them, who will continue to prop them up as celebrities. Despite their shitty behavior. Why should she change and grow up if no one is calling her out on her shit? She is a horrible example to her young fans. Assuming she has fans, I’ve yet to meet someone who likes her.
For different reasons I wouldn’t want to be in the same room with either of these people. However, I’d pick his music over hers any day if I had to choose. They’re both irritating people.
Like many said this woman is emotionally stunted. The original incident happened ten years ago. Ten years ago! So much has happened in that time. Yes it was bad but damn Taylor keep his name out your mouth! She did this constant fueding with Katy Perry for what another decade and now they are supposed to be friends, just like she was with Kanye for awhile, right? The girl has problems. Remember her buying the house next to the Kennedy boy that didn’t want her.
I didn’t even read her article. I like to keep scrolling when she comes up but I just had to comment here because it’s so exhausting. She may not have had therapy but clearly she needs it.
“I couldn’t figure out how to learn from it” is basically all you need to know about Taylor Swift.