The rumors have been around for months now, this idea that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex would live abroad, either because they were exiled by Prince William’s hand, or because the press, the courtiers and the Windsors had succeeded in making Harry and Meghan’s existence so toxic and awful that living abroad was their only choice. Personally, I still believe that William really wants to push them out of the UK. I think William has absolutely been behind most (if not all) of the rumors. The problem with the Sussexes leaving the UK is that it wouldn’t really solve anything, and it would probably end up being a massive ass-ache at every level. So far, those rumors have been circulating in the British media quite heavily. Over the weekend, the Mail claimed that the Sussexes were now considering a move to America. I dismissed it as a William-fantasy. But what does it mean when People Magazine’s sources – presumably pro-Sussex sources – are saying something similar?
Behind the scenes, Meghan Markle is still adjusting to the massive changes in her life since marrying Prince Harry in 2018 and welcoming son Archie in May. Several insiders say the couple are eager to escape the intense tabloid scrutiny in the U.K. — maybe even by establishing a second “base” in the U.S., Canada or Africa.
“It’s not possible for them to be [in the U.K.] like this,” a source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “There’s more pressure now. There’s a shift that is happening.”
In an effort to regroup, the royal couple are now planning to take six weeks of “much-needed family time” from mid-November through the end of the year, says an insider, noting that Meghan, 38, quietly worked throughout much of her maternity leave. The young family will undoubtedly go to Meghan’s hometown of Los Angeles to spend time with her mom, Doria Ragland, with whom she’s very close.
“This would be Harry’s first Thanksgiving in the States,” adds the source. “It will be nice for them to be around people that love them and have him understand her traditions too.”
It’s also been rumored that the couple could spend some time in Canada, where Meghan lived before marrying Harry to film her TV show Suits.
“It’s not possible for them to be [in the U.K.] like this. There’s more pressure now. There’s a shift that is happening.” Yeah, I still don’t know what to think. My gut says that of course Meghan and Harry are truly considering a move and it’s something they talk about openly. But I have to think that they both understand that… moving won’t solve anything. They’ll look like they’re running away. They’ll be telling the racists that their smear campaign worked. They’ll be leaving William, Charles and the courtiers to control the narrative. I don’t know. I really don’t.
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Why are you confused? It’s all BS. No one has any idea what they’re doing or considering. All these dumb articles are just people reaching for things to say.
“All these dumb articles are just people reaching for things to say” AND trying to make as much money as possible!
TOTAL BS. Also a few things to consider:
One: Meghan can’t “move” anywhere or she jeopardizes her Brit citizenship. She MUST be in the country, what…270 days/yr? (Don’t know if they have to be consecutive or not, but there is a mandatory number of days).
Two: The press will be relentless no matter WHERE they go, and the BM will CONTINUE their hounding in absentia in their papers.
Three: over female 70 MPs have “stood in solidarity” with Meghan over this press intrusion. Perhaps this is a start…?
The residency requirement alone is enough to confirm that they aren’t moving to the US. Maybe once she has UK citizenship, but even then I doubt it.
They would be huge celebrities in the US. Meghan would be on the cover of People every week. The tabs, RRs, and courtiers know this. Perhaps H+M are sending a little warning to their detractors.
Megan:
IKR? I don’t think it’s realistic at all that they’d moved to the U.S. right now (Is Canada still an option for securing citizenship?) but it’s a funny game. Like, “Oh, you want us exiled to never be heard from again? I’m from L.A. and have tons of famous friends, but okay.”
I do think Canada – at least someday – is a good option for them though. It’s a great middle ground for a Brit & an American.
I would give some weight to the fact that People was the designated vehicle for quite a number of Meghan’s friends to speak out about her treatment earlier this year. It may be well one of her chosen U.S. media outlets. Others that may be: CNN (modernising monarchy source), CBS Morning News/Gayle King (Daniel Martin appearance last week which was most definitely approved by Meghan).
I agree. I think people put way to much stock in these rumors that are primarily spun by the press. Even “sources” don’t need to be real. That’s why I honestly don’t buy that William is the primary leaker. I just…don’t. I know the Cambridges like to play their own media game and such, but I don’t think they spend their days mustache-twirling over how to ruin the Sussexes’ lives via tabloids.
How do you explain William’s plane stunt? To me it looked deliberate and calculated to help further harm the Sussexes.
IMO, I think there was a lot of shit that was unloaded with Charles’ biographer, and things that William and Prince Phillip said about Meghan. Very hurtful things. I also think Harry might have had a hand in spilling some gossip about the Turnip and Rosebush scenarios and then it’s been war between those two brothers since. Harry was incredibly supportive of Kate at the beginning and there has been none of that for Meghan. Besides, the news should be about the pedophile in their presence and why is everybody avoiding this? It’s disgusting and after the queen passes, I would hope that this monarchy is abolished.
@lady d. Lainey thinks it was the airline who took the pics from W&K to promote their company. How do we explain the pics taken from H&M from their private plane? It was perfect for the tabloids narrative. So who benefited the most of it? Definitely Not W&K or H&M. W looked shallow and H like a hypocrite. Nothing they want.
@Dali: how do you explain the fact that the airline got a last minute call from W&K’s staff (the night before the plane stunt) to request an empty plane be flown to them?
Empty legs are flown empty all the time though. How do you think planes end up in different airports? Lol. An empty plane with the company’s logo was flown to the airport, then the Cambridges, alongside the plebs, boarded the plane and the rest is history. It made the Cambridges look cheap for the day (PR win) and well Harry did look like a hypocrite after all his preaching to the plebs about their carbon footprints & carbon emissions. One is a winning PR strategy, the other one got lost in translation. Everyone knows every Royal lives in luxury, a few PR stunts from the Cambridges to look ‘relatable’ aren’t hurting them, it’s helping, trust me. Whoever their advisers are, are reading the mood of the nation and acting accordingly. They need normal Brits to be on their side & these little PR outings are winning random Brits over. Like, that is the whole damn point of Paid PR. So why complain when it’s put in place and evidently works *shrugs*
Sonia, exactly. It’s all another propaganda, Harry even said, in SA, that it won’t be possible. All Royals finish their royal duties around Nov, so they all have a break. However, the media narrative is that The Sussexes will take a break from royal duties and go abroad, they probably know that, H&M will be going to America for Thanksgiving with Doria, but they have to present it in such a negative way, to solicit for abuse in their comment sections and from the general public who may not have this information. It is so exhausting!
Sorry. But I desagree. If the comments were taken by the RF (and that you read, courtiers too) like they are, senseless attacks on M&H, exposing their life to the trolls in daily basis, generating tension and mortification for both, specially with a new born baby and a brandy new family (the couple is still adjusting to each other, and it’s not as easy as it seems, royal or not), the press would have been blocked a long time ago. Like it was blocked for Andrews’ … humm… let’s say, friendship, or William’s little problem with Rose (Human Rights?! Serious?) , or the malfunctions of Kate’s wardrobe… When the Queen took the photo op with a grinning W&k in the car, was advertised to everyone: look, I’m on their side, the others can fend for themselves. And that picture of W&K, kids and nanny running to get a commercial plane… Ridiculous, to say the minimum. There, Will was saying to anyone who cared: they can go to hell.
I wish them nothing but the very best and if having a second home outside of the UK is part of that, then great.
If they’re forced out, then no.
I’m at the point now where I post supportive remarks on their social media and on twitter, not because that’s my normal habit to do so, but instead because I feel as if those of us who wish them well don’t speak up, then what? The trolls win?
I wish them nothing but the very best. What else can I say to this?
That might be a great idea. It’s one thing to think that support is out there; it’s another thing to SEE the support. I think I’ll do it, too! Thanks for the good idea! 😊
They should go wherever they feel they can have the best family life regardless of how it looks to people on the outside. They’re the ones that actually have to live with the mounting stressors. The U.S. will certainly be glad to have them if they do come here 🙂
Agreed wholeheartedly. So what if they appear to be “running away”? If it guarantees them a happier existence it should be considered….let Karma bite the BRF and those courtiers in the A!
Everything you said.👍👍👍
I’m perplexed as to those who think they should ‘stick around’ in Britain. For what?🤨
The RF are loyal to the crown, not to blood.
And it’s clear they’ll (inc. couriters), continue to make H & M roadkill for the foreseeable future.
The press & royal pack, have already declared war on them.
Lawsuit win or not, many of those ba$tards are going to steadfastly make the Sussex lives miserable.
The sneers from some quarters, to the MPs’ letters is just a start.
With this and Brexit, history will judge the Windsors brutally.
Harry and Meghan are best out of it
I don’t think the narrative matters to Harry much anymore. His priorities have shifted to his been-under-attack-from-the-beginning family. I can’t believe BP did nothing when that picture of a chimp being compared to their child was printed. Disgustingly low of them.
“The RF are loyal to the crown, not to blood.”
+1
Also, I wonder how the dynamics will change if they lose / win the law suit. IMO that might have a major impact on where they want to live. And in the meantime – until the law suit is over – the tabloids will continue with their smear campaigns.
It really seems like there is no good solution at this point. Whether they stay or go, they’ll be criticized. They can’t win, and it’s just so sad.
I agree moving, and especially to the US, won’t solve anything. The press is global and will follow them everywhere and the British tabloids will just report from LA.
It would solve the problem if they were to relinquish their royal titles. They would of course still get celeb press, but the BRF will no longer be able to use them to deflect.
Meghan has to spend a certain amount of time in the UK to get her British citizenship. She can’t live in the States or anywhere else for an extended period of time over the next 4 years. This story is BS.
I said earlier this week that I definitely don’t think they will leave the UK permanently or walk away from the royal family, but I can see them buying a house somewhere in the US and spending significant time here – a month or two in the summers, a month in the winter maybe over school breaks, that kind of thing.
If Meghan and Harry were to leave the UK and move to the US or Canada they would at least not have to deal with the none stop crap from the Brit press. Yeah, it’ll be news all around the world, but it’ll be better probably for their piece of mind.
And the world will know why they moved.
If they move to (or ‘establish a second base’ in) Canada, a commonwealth country, wouldn’t Canada have to foot the bill for their accommodations, security, transportation, living expenses and so forth? This wouldn’t seem fair to canadians who already pay handsomely for the upkeep of an unelected Queen’s representative in the form of their Governor General. Of course H&M are free to move wherever in the world they wish – on their own dime – otherwise it’s just more royal entitlement.
@celeste – this. They are welcome to come to Canada but I would be furious if my taxes went to support them and I do not support that one bit. No no no – in this day & age where teachers & nurses & skilled workers are being laid off left right & centre claiming government budget cuts the optics of funding ANY royal’s lifestyle here would not fly.
I think this is all pure speculation, just like the “Queen’s birthday cake for Meghan at Balmoral” last summer. People might be a Sussex source, but that doesn’t mean they don’t offer speculation as well, and that’s what this is. Even if the Sussexes were planning a move, I doubt they would tell anyone. We don’t even know where they went for their honeymoon, or their dog’s name, ffs! At most, they might be listening carefully to see the response to such a move, but I doubt even that. Harry as Counselor of State probably can’t live outside the UK, Meghan’s citizenship status means she can’t live outside the Uk for very long. Also, if they came out openly about a move, that would just mean swarms of reporters would start scouting out where they would be living, and some of the nastier sort would even use the Markles to stage confrontations wherever possible. Even if Toxic Tom is muzzled, her nasty siblings could be paid to “move” close to the Sussexes supposed location with the cameras ready. If they are going to establish a place in the US, it would be an insurance policy at best and no one will know where they are–a holding company to buy the house, no names on deeds, etc. They might even already have a US base.
Canada would make sense as it is part of the Commonwealth, plus it is close to her home country.
In order to obtain British citizenship you have to live in Britain for a certain number of days per year for a several years and have it be your primary residence. Meghan would to need that status if she and Harry ever divorce (the royal family isn’t exactly known for fidelity).
A move to the US would also require British and US taxpayers to foot the security bill. That would piss off people on both sides of the pond, including those who currently support or are ambivalent to her.
It is understandable why they would want to escape England, but it would be a shortsighted mistake.
They will leave the UK. I’m certain of this. They will not allow that their child is being exposed to such a toxic atmosphere. For Meghan the UK is a living hell and why should she bear this? England is a very toxic place. And the weather is rotten too.
Spot on!
That rotten weather is responsible for the beauty of Ireland and Scotland the land of lakes and lochs.
I’m guessing they will split their time more and more.
So they’ll be based in the UK when they’re actively working and then spend a majority of the periods between November to January and July/ August in LA near her mother.
The whole thing is being exaggerated when viewed objectively bc essentially Meghan is doing EXACTLY what Kate did in the early years i.e. spending more time with family. For example George spent the first few months of his life in Buckleberry and not at KP.
I feel like Meghan is constantly torn down for doing what other Royal women have done before her. Personally I think she has done remarkably well by transitioning into Royal Life in spite of such a toxic family of origin and the toxic family she married into.
Statistically it rains more in Miami than it does in London. The idea of London being foggy and rainy is a myth.
If they do move to the US, they will have to be removed from the civil list – there is no way British taxpayers will be willing to fund them if they are no longer living in the UK and carrying out duties in the UK.
I hear you, but I think Meghan and Harry would be just fine if they are not funded by the tax payers. They are known globally as hard working individuals and they certainly have the connections to work with several non-profits and other organizations, they can even look at becoming Ambassadors. They would be just FINE without the royal family and the British tax paying dollars.
Yeah, but charities aren’t gonna pay for their lifestyle. Trust that this is not a way of living that can be funded off residuals from Suits.
Its a tough one. I can see the downsides for the Royal family – when they cut Fergie off with nothing, it became a disaster. Hanging out with unsavoury characters and kleptocrats to pay the bills (see: epstein) casts the whole RF in a bad light, and that’s the path of Meghan and Harry if they are removed from Dad’s purse (and oversight). But funding them while they live abroad is not going to go down well with the tax paying public. My advice to Harry (ha! He might be reading). Go back, kiss the ring and make it work with your family. Charm the courtiers, bring them on side. Then take on the media. This is a battle to the death and you need the protection of the Royal Industrial Complex, you can’t go this alone.
@wowsers, hopefully you’re right. they would be much better off reading celebitchy over the british tabs which they clearly read way too often.
@wowsers unlike Fergie, Diana left Harry £30 mln. Unlike Fergie, Meghan has lived a reasonably modest life for most of her adulthood. Unlike Fergie, Meghan has a husband. Unlike Fergie, Meghan has a career and is resilient enough to get another.
Agreed. They really don’t need the BRF. Harry inherited 30 million. Meghan, if they move back to the states, comes back with SUCH A HIGH PROFILE. Instant A+ list. The opportunities for income, sponsorships, and acting roles would go through the roof. They can both still work on their charities and earn income just by being at that point “former royals.”
Although, let’s face it. Harry, no matter how removed from succession he is, will never be a “former royal.” He will always be “Prince Harry” just like his mom was the beloved Princess Diana…even after the divorce (she was never technically Princess Diana either, but I digress…).
This idea that the Sussexes can’t live well and with wealth apart from the BRF is just another talking point of the anti-Meghan narrative. Capable, smart and already wealthy people know how to turn assets, both tangible and intangible, into more wealth and opportunities. And, that’s what separates the Sussexes even more from the people who constantly underestimate and try to belittle them.
I agree Olenna. But the last time a young woc gurl came on here to talk about her wealthy lifestyle, in addition to defending Meghan, she was mocked & shamed & called a social climber for having wealth. So obviously certain people on here can’t stand us woc having money and access to a luxury lifestyle without having to work so hard because our money makes money. From what I’ve seen, both ‘fan bases’ are very similar when it comes to being envious of wealth. Those Meghan snipes are unsurprising, she will do absolutely fine. Harry has never lived in the real world though. He wouldn’t know what to do without Charles’ allowance and that’s the truth. He hasn’t had to dip into the bulk of his money to live his luxury lifestyle because Harry is supported by the taxpayer and Charles. Taking that security blanket away from him would be a shock.
It’s BS. People hasn’t been pro-Sussex. They’ve been playing both sides. Meghan is in the middle of her UK citizenship process. She only gets a small window of time to stay overseas in any one go. She CAN’T move out of the UK until that process is complete or it’s voided.
Also, as long as Harry is a Counsellor of State, he’s required to be a resident of the UK. I THINK this means living there at least half the year (stated as 183 days for tax purposes) but the residence regulations are confusing so am not sure if that’s completely accurate for his case.
Agree. People is not a reliable source (despite the “friends” talking about bad dad) and, if I’m not mistaken, it was one of Jason’s favored outlets. I don’t doubt the Sussex PR team has a very careful, restrictive approach to releasing even work-related information about the couple to the press, US or UK.
This is obvious BS. Especially if you look at it logistically. Meghan is trying to become a British citizen. Legally she CANT move to the US and still do that. Also – Harry very much still works for the Firm so unless he is going to retire from all of his British endeavors – which I highly doubt – he has to stay in the UK. Im sure they have talked about it but I highly doubt they are taking any steps to do this anytime soon.
Also let me just say this: no one should have to stay in a situation that makes them emotionally and psychologically unhappy to prove a point. Black people have been doing this for years and it’s time to stop asking them to. IF Meghan and Harry decided ultimately that there happiness and welfare outweighed ALL of what I mentioned above and decided tk leave we should support them in that choice. Meghan is one woman and it is NOT her responsibility to fix racism in the UK by being a punching bag. Stop asking black women to do the heavy lifting.
To me it doesn’t sounds like they’re moving away, it just sounds like they’re planning to set up another home either in the US or Canada—which wouldn’t be odd considering she probably has family/close friends in both.
I don’t get how “establishing a second base” becomes “they’re leaving the UK.”
Annnnnnd, there it is. Perhaps they are considering a “second base”. And it gets turned into a “they’re leaving the UK story”. William wishes. What a wanker.
Exactly! It wouldn’t surprise me if they want to expand their Sussex mental health initiatives to the US, Canada, etc, and that planning has been misinterpreted as “Harry and Meg can’t take the heat, will get out of the kitchen” 🙄
A move to the US doesn’t seem beneficial to me unless they leave the BRF and move their permanently where they can ignore the British press all together. We all know how pissy they were that the US press was at the wedding and the presenting of Archie, I don’t think they’d be able to compete. Tbh as long as Meghan isn’t in the line of fire I really don’t care how Charles or William deal with all of this.
I think there are two (interrelated) factors at work, the British tabloid media, and the British royal family/courtiers/palace system. The second factor is being underestimated.
What is making the tabloid madness and venom even worse is that the BRF system appears to be absolutely colluding with it. By strategic leaking, for example, by having those quoted as senior Buckingham Palace aides in the other day’s Mail on Sunday, the same paper that the Sussexes are suing, making snide remarks. Given their role in the BRF and the super hierarchical and hidebound way the BRF operates, even doing their charity and public role is not going to be a safe haven for the Sussexes. Because it is said they have to coordinate and get approval from the higher-ups including the Queen’s muckety mucks for all their plans. And on the roster they will be lower priority than the more “senior royals” and will be constantly scolded to know their place. So I can see that the Sussexes feel they are in a sort of enemy camp within the BRF and of course they are considering all their options because they have the public presence/other tools (and even money, if Harry wants to touch his multi-million dollar inheritances) to succeed outside the BRF with their public endeavors. Not saying they would formally leave the BRF but they could possibly try to operate outside of its strictures as much as possible.
They could also be trying to call the BRF bluff with stories like this–to make them realize the stakes are high and to quit treating them badly.
Thank you for saying that royal family/ courtiers/ palace system is being underestimated here. I’ve always stated, for the past year, it was the most senior of the royal households leaking to the press. There are some very old vipers in Buckingham Palace & Clarence House. They are manipulating both William & Harry with William being particularly blind at first..now he’s just turning a blind eye to it.
you’re are not alone: this is sanctioned by the senior royals = TQ and Charles. TQ to protect Andrew, Charles because he (and Camilla) look very good in this whole mess. Otherwise they would have stopped the leaks by the courtiers long ago.
Someone should tell them they no longer look good. Or let them find out the hard way.
This is like the magnification of the 10 Africa trip into “they’re moving to Africa”. My prediction is that Meghan and Harry are planning to spend a month in North America each year- maybe partly in LA with Doria and partly in Toronto with the Mulrony’s, or maybe actually buy a property. It will be like the Anmer Norfolk home of the Cambridges. My only worry is the cost of security… it would be smart if they reimburse the UK taxpayer paid security service.
Not unless you ask all the other royals to do the same things. Like the Yorks with their Swiss chalet where they spend a lot of time.
To clarify – Eugenie and Beatrice do not receive taxpayer funded security, that was pulled many, many years ago, by the Met Police. And I will never understand the vitriol those 2 sisters get, their private holidays have nothing to do with anyone because they aren’t official publicly funded Royals. Fergie, as atrocious as she is, doesn’t receive taxpayer funded security, which leaves yucky Andrew. He still works as official Royal, much to my dismay, so along with that role, he does have a right to taxpayer funded security, unfortunately. If the Sussex household were to leave absolutely everything, titles and all, Harry would need to secure his family security, first and foremost.
As much as they would be welcomed here, they don’t strike me as people who run away from an issue. Them moving won’t really solve anything either. Also, Meg is in the process of becoming a UK citizen. You can’t move to the US or wherever if you’re trying to do that. At the most they will be here for Thanksgiving to visit Doria and may at one point buy a home here but that’s the most I see happening.
I don’t see any major relocation while the Queen is alive. But once she passes there will be a period of chaos and reorganization (maybe the monarchy survives, maybe it doesn’t) and depending on how that goes, I think that’s when they’ll make their exit.
As far as the press still hounding them in LA, eh. I’d rather be miserable on my own turf than theirs. I want to see Harry step out of the line of succession and see them blaze their own path together.
I think the re-organization after the queen dies is a great time to haul ass out of there if that’s what they decide to do. Charles is planning to slim down the monarchy anyway. They all deserve the anxiety of having the Yorks closer to the throne.
“They all deserve the anxiety of having the Yorks closer to the throne.”
😂😁😄😄😄😁😀😀
Honestly, I think the press in LA would be following them for about one year (at most) if they moved out here, and then things would settle down as everyone moved on to the next shiny thing/celeb. Yeah, they’d still pop up in a lot of news and gossip celeb mags like People Mag and such, but the hunting would be nowhere *near* what they are getting in the UK.
And, more importantly, Archie would be WAY more protected from the press given the pap laws wrt kids of famous people that are in LA. I think protecting Archie would also be a huge thing Meghan and Harry are weighing if it comes to any idea of leaving the UK.
I don’t think the American media would be that interested in the Sussexes, not to the point of crazy stories and smears like the British press. There are plenty of celebrities who go about their day unbothered by the tabloids and the paps. It will be easier for them to blend in living in NYC (where I think at least one of the York girls lived for a time) or Toronto than L.A. (celebrity city), though.
If Charles and/or William “slim down” the monarchy, the Sussexes could easily set up shop in the United States (after Meghan gains her citizenship) …just like Princess Madeleine of Sweden is living in the United States with her family.
As far as money is concerned, both Harry & Meghan have money of their own so they’ll be alright. Security is a concern but I’m sure the heavy hitters they’re connected with (Obamas, Oprah, Serena etc.) could give them recommendations for security (even though Mr. & Mrs. Obama have Secret Service, I’m not sure either of the girls still do).
If the Sussexes leave the BRF, whether by choice or by force, they’ll be alright. The BRF won’t be alright, though.
Sure…
I’ve said it before in another article but they likely won’t move.
They would need security officers, even more because they would be out of the “protection of the BRF” (not that they’re doing much now) and paying for them would add up. At least now they don’t have to worry about the pay check of the guys in charge of their safety.
It may look to others like they will be running away but to me, thats a perfectly normal response when it comes to protecting your mental health. When you are being abused in any situation, in any way, shape or form, eg in the office, in a rrlationship, etc, would you expect people to encourage you to continue staying in that situation? Stay in order to prove what exactly? You cant change an asshat. They will always be who they are. You can take it up with the authorities, which theyve done by suing the tabloids, after which, the reasonable thing to do would be to carefully extricate yourself from the situation. Seems like a normal and healthy thing to do. I say move. Let William and Charles have their lives in the tabloids for a change. It would make the UK tabloids go crazy if they moved and went ahead to collaborate with US mainstream US media outlets by giving them exclusive interviews and access haha i hope they do that. I wonder if is easier to sue the press in the US than the UK i.e. if the UK press follow them there.
I dont know why people think it impossible for Harry to leave the BRF. To be fair, he seemed to think so too in their latest interview. But if the Queen passes on, and by whatever twist of fate the monarchy crumbles, wont it be the same outcome? Honestly, nothing is worth losing your peace of mind over.
I really think the Charles and William would do anything to prevent them from actually leaving the RF, even outright bribery. The optics of banishment would look terrible, unless the RF wants be seen as racist. Also, if Harry resigns as counselor of state, that would mean Andrew was next in line to be a regent for Prince George in case something went wrong. Even worse. While Andrew would probably love that role, it would be unconscionable that a pedophile were held up in preference as regent while William’s beloved brother was cast out. The RF has been stupid and myopic beyond my expectation, but are they really THAT stupid? Would they really be happy as the Brexiteer Royals reigning over a White Supremist little England? The people who would cheer the “banishment” of Harry and Meghan would be that crew. What happens when the tide of populism turns and racism no longer receives a wink and nod? The Spanish Royals were re-instituted by Franco, but turned around and disavowed facism. Many of the German princely families sided with the Nazis–no one talks about restoration of any German princely houses. Wallace Simpson is seen in some circles as the savior of the British monarchy–King Edward’s abdication got rid of a Nazi-friendly king. The British royal family would have never survived Edward buddy-buddy with Hitler. Willy might want to give some thought to this new “popularity” and and Kate are enjoying. Are these the people he really wants to be his admirers? I think not, based on how wary they were to be seen with the Trumps.
@lanne Andrew does not have to be Regent – that role isn’t really dependent on who is next in line for the monarchy, it’s dependent on who is best suited to stand in for a monarch who is a minor or otherwise not quite fit to carry out monarchical duties.
Kate would be an obvious choice for Regent for a minor George, or Harry if he is still living ft in the UK. Edward is available, as is Princess Anne who (imo) would be the best of them all.
The most recent Regency Act (of 1953) appointed Philip as Regent for a minor Prince Charles in event of the death of TQ. Margaret otherwise would have been next in line, which wasn’t palatable. These things can be legislated as needed, given current situations. Andrew won’t be allowed near the Regency.
I should add to above that if things continue on current trajectory, there’s a chance Andrew will resign/be removed as UK Counsellor of State anyway, esp once Charles is King. That moves Beatrice up the line.
If Harry were also to resign as CoS due to leaving the UK (hypothetically), then Eugenie would also be appointed CoS. And then Edward, his children (if 18) and Princess Anne. There are plenty of qualified royals to move up in line.
If the BRF was concerned about racist optics, they wouldn’t have let this smear campaign against Meghan go on for 3 years.
I think Charles would not want them to leave the BRF.
William absolutely WOULD.
I’m really tired of all this speculation of where they will or won’t go. It’s makes zero sense. All these news outlets send people to the US and people need to stop speculating. Why is it so hard to even give them even a sliver of privacy? Whether they go to LA or somewhere else is no one’s business, especially if it is private family time. Like the Archbishop said, they are legally entitled to the leave and it’s no one’s business. This is filler.
Meghan is entitled to her full 1 year British maternity leave, the same as the other Royal women. But if the Archbishop wants to get technical lol Harry isn’t “legally entitled” to anything, because he doesn’t work in the same way other British men work, ditto William. That’s actually an insult to men who have real careers/jobs in demanding industries, who aren’t entitled to paid paternity leave or any paid leave, for that matter.
How can you help run the British monarchy if you live in LA? Aren’t their assigned patronages all located across the pond? As long as you are receiving payment from UK taxpayers, you aren’t a “global brand.” Sorry!
The State Department currently protects royals who visit the US on trips as a goodwill gesture. But long term? For a monarchy that doesn’t belong to us? (see: 1776) Yeah, don’t think that’s going to fly (no pun intended) especially if the reason is “press.”
This is the very reason they need to think long & hard about this move. If they give up their titles & patronage’s in the U.K., it takes away their cachet. They’ll end up being just another A List celebrity couple. Royalty isn’t celebrity, no matter what people say! All these powerful connections they have made are only due to their Royal status.
Yay…come on over friends!
People is a legitimate source particularly out of camp sussex. Just not sure how she will obtain her British citizenship without being in the UK for the majority of the year. It does say “second” base, i.e., not all the time. Last year they were looking for homes in Malibu, so maybe this is just part of that roll out and has nothing to do with the smear campaign. Makes sense for them to have a home where her family is. I love picturing Harry enjoying Thanksgiving! It’s my favorite holiday.
I agree that a second home in the U.S. makes a lot of sense!
We do that, and we don’t have royal family-level money. We are only in the States for two or three months of the year, but it’s enough time to give our kids a sense of home and belonging.
We’re both Americans, though, and not citizens of our country of residence. M and H have a lot more variables, especially with her British citizenship in progress.
@sandra. Maybe she does not want British citizenship. Why does she need it if she’s not living there?
She applied for it.
I would not be surprised if Meghan had second thoughts about obtaining British citizenship. I think the only reason she would go forth now is because of Archie.
Come to New York! You’ll meet a real President and the woman who won the popular vote to be President (Bill and Hillary Clinton). You know President Obama lives in the U.S. too. We need you here!
I’m confused about their income. And duchys. I thought they were funded by all tax payers and also got a separate income from the duchy of Sussex. Even if they lost the tax payer money, couldn’t they live off the Sussex money? Is Charles the only one with a duchy income?
I think you are confused….. there’s no such thing as a ‘duchy of Sussex’. Right now, taxpayers fund their security, transportation, staff, etc. I’m sure they dip into their personal funds too and receive freebies here & there but the bulk of their money does come from the public. The Duchy of Cornwall is public money from the land of Cornwall. Where on earth do people think the money comes from? Huge swathes of land in Cornwall & beyond. And who do you think works the land, pays taxes? Charles receives a huge chunk every year and he divides the rest of the money to give to Will and Kate, and Harry and Meghan.
I am leaning towards them moving, especially as Archie gets older. Tehre is no way in hell I would expose my child to their toxic BS. IRT Meghan getting British citizenship…that was before she knew how horrible it would be. Now she sees how it is. She didn’t think it would be this horrible. She said so herself. Some are crying about paying for them with their taxes. Both M & H are millionaires. They will be fine. They will go the road of Barack and Michelle writing books, making money giving speeches and living their best lives. If you think Harry wouldn’t choose M and Archie over the RF…please. Like DeNiro said…fucc em.
The problem with articles like this is that they are not calling this situation for what it is. It is a relentless campaign of mobbing/bullying of a woman of colour. So far the BRF, who are supposed to be her ally as she is one of them, have offered nothing in terms of support or resources to help her (that we know of). As well there are strong indications that members of the BRF and most certainly courtiers are colluding in the mobbing.
This situation is completely and utterly toxic and shows no sign of changing as sadly these situations usually don’t get better. Often times the victim’s best decision is to get out for the sake of their sanity. I would never encourage Meghan and Harry to stay at the expense of their health and well being. In order to thrive they may simply, at the end of the day, need to walk away.
I too thought if they left it would be seen as them running away – until they started the lawsuits against the tabloids. Now, if they leave I wouldn’t see it as them running away at all, especially if the win the lawsuits. Suing show them standing up for themselves against the tabloids.
However, as others have said, the other factor in all of this is the Royal Family and Courtiers. *That* is something you *can’t* sue wrt even if they are behind a lot of the smear campaign.
Sometimes, the only way to deal with toxic family, is to leave that toxic family behind. Meghan has had to deal with that when it comes to her father. It looks like Harry is also having to face that when it comes to some of his family now.
If they leave, I don’t think it will be anytime in the immediate future (I think they would wait until after the 2020 elections if the place they are thinking of coming is the US). But I DO think they will at some point slowly being to phase out living fully time in the UK. After all of this, I don’t think Harry might want to raise Archie or any other kids he and Meghan have around the UK tabs or even some members of his family anymore. Harry was barely staying in the RF as it is, and reported only stayed because and for his grandmother. I personally always thought he and Meghan would leave the RF after William ascended the throne anyway.
I do believe all of this is nonsense. But if they do, then it’s not the same as telling the bullies they got away with it and you submit. No, it’s because people do have a breaking point. If a muderer kills you it’s not because “you gave in”, it’s because he had the upper hand. As do the royals, the tabloids and other awful people. But you can fight it in other ways. Like spending your money in lawyers battling tabloids or even better, keep your chin up, show your face at positive events and by just doing that prove you have a better work ethic than any of them. Moving out of the way of a knife and fighting back in a way you can win (by running away and getting help) is not the same as letting bullies win.
I do believe all of this is nonsense. But if they do, then it’s not the same as telling the bullies they got away with it and you submit. No, it’s because people do have a breaking point. If a muderer kills you it’s not because “you gave in”, it’s because he had the upper hand. As do the royals, the tabloids and other awful people. But you can fight it in other ways. Like spending your money in lawyers battling tabloids or even better, keep your chin up, show your face at positive events and by just doing that prove you have a better work ethic than any of them. Moving out of the way of a knife and fighting back in a way you can win (by running away and getting help) is not the same as letting bullies win.
It’s not about letting the bullies win. Bullies win all the time because they have the power to do so. A lot of the time it’s a matter of discerning a way of cutting your losses as a victim.