Second coroner says Jeffrey Epstein’s death could have been murder

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Jeffrey Epstein died in jail on August 10th. His body was found that Saturday morning, and it appeared that he had hanged himself, maybe. There was always a lot of shady things happening around Epstein, and his death was no different. The FBI was investigating the death and even if it was suicide, there were significant questions about why no one looked in on him and why he wasn’t on suicide watch. But there were also questions about who had access to his jail cell and why there’s no footage – ??? – of what happened around the time of his death from the security cameras. And, I mean, Epstein could have taken down some massively powerful people. Tons of people wanted to see him dead. So… suicide or murder?

A forensic pathologist hired by Jeffrey Epstein’s brother claimed on Wednesday that evidence suggested that Mr. Epstein did not die by suicide, but may have been strangled. The authorities, including the New York City medical examiner, have concluded that the death of Mr. Epstein, the financier who was awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges, was caused by hanging in his jail cell. But the pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden, said on the morning TV show “Fox & Friends” that Mr. Epstein, 66, experienced a number of injuries that “are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation.”

“I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” Dr. Baden said, who observed the autopsy, which was conducted by city officials. Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor, added, “I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

The findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city’s chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson, who previously ruled Mr. Epstein’s death on Aug. 10 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center a suicide. The death led to several investigations into how a high-profile inmate died by suicide soon after having attempted to take his own life and being placed under additional supervision.

[From The New York Times]

As you know, I love conspiracies. I want to believe that there are hidden forces at work and that there are truly some huge secrets hiding in plain sight, like Tupac living in Cuba or Taylor Swift being a satanist clone. So… of course, I thought there was something fishy about Epstein’s “suicide.” He just had too many powerful friends, friends who wanted to silence him forever. I’m not saying the Queen definitely arranged for MI6 to break into the jail and strangle him. But it’s a possibility, isn’t it?

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  1. Tiffany says:


    *drops head to desk*

  2. Bryn says:

    Is he going to say what evidence leads him to think its murder and not suicide?

    • Tiffany says:

      The brother must be looking to cash in a insurance policy somewhere.

      Isn’t Epstein’s assets still frozen?

    • The Other Katherine says:

      He did say why he thought it was likely not self-inflicted: larynx and hyoid fractures that would be unusual in a suicidal hanging. Not stated but implied, especially a hanging like this where there was no significant drop involved. I don’t think the disclosure of this evidence is new, but having a well-known forensic pathologist with such extensive experience opine publicly on it in this way is. (I really dislike clicking on anything from the Daily Mail, but their article lays out the entirety of what he said.)

  3. Who ARE These People? says:

    Why did he have to go on Fox & Friends to report his conclusions? Oh, I looked him up. He’s a celebrity coroner and the forensic specialist for Fox generally. He was NYC coroner in the late ’70s.

  4. What. . .now? says:

    Duh. Of course he was. We all said it here. This is not surprising in the least.

  5. Harla says:

    That’s why the Queen was all smiles!

  6. Betsy says:

    I don’t quite get why he would have been murdered. The guy seemed remorseless and seemed unlikely to talk.

    But the atypical broken bones + *two* sleeping guards + the video not working + reports of shouting/a scuffle…. homicide seems more likely than suicide to me.

  7. Valerie says:

    Of course he was murdered. Maybe even willingly, if that’s possible. But not by the Queen. Andrew is a skeevy spoiled brat, but he’s just the famous poster boy for this scandal. There are likely dozens of less well-known, but far more powerful people who needed Epstein dead.

  8. Cara says:

    Duh!!! Of course it was murder!!

  9. Ann says:

    Yeah duh. I never thought it was suicide. Perhaps assisted suicide, as in he was willingly murdered. One conspiracy I’ve read that hasn’t gained any traction is that he’s still alive. I think him being alive was more plausible than it being a legit suicide.

    • Becks1 says:

      I’m not sure if it was suicide or murder (being far from an expert in such matters lol) but my personal theory is that if it WAS suicide, it was “encouraged” suicide. Like he was basically told “kill yourself or we will do it for you.” That would explain the guards sleeping, the lack of cameras, etc.

    • Nightsky says:

      Yikes, the thought of being willingly murdered….that goes against every human instinct to protect ourselves from harm and stay alive. Although I also have a very hard time understanding suicide. In any case, I believe there was intense pressure on him to die, whether it was from himself or from others. I believe he was murdered.

  10. Scorpio ♏️ Rants says:

    I usually think most conspiracy theories are tinfoil hat looney driven.

    There is no way this man wasn’t murdered….l

  11. Sean says:

    Here’s an Epstein-related conspiracy for you. By now it’s well known that Epstein had many powerful acquaintances ranging from politics and entertainment to academics. The circumstances of his death a quite suspiciously to say the least and his connections and death alone are enough to fuel speculation on shadow governments, etc. I can link any thing right now because I’m on my phone but one of the victims testified that Matt Groening, yes creator of The Simpsons Matt Groening flew on Epstein’s plane a few times. He even got a foot massage from one of the victims.

    Why does this matter other than Groening possibly being a criminal? Think about all of the predictions made on The Simpsons that eventually came true. The NSA spying scandal, America’s Ebola outbreak, the discovery of the God Particle, FIFA’s corruption scandal, Greece’s debt default, technology like FaceTime and smart watches and of course Donald Trump’s presidency. All of these were predicted on The Simpsons YEARS before they were revealed/came to fruition.

    Remember the Stonecutters episode?

    What if Groening is or was privy to information or was hiding stuff in plain sight?

  12. TQ says:

    Yeah, I’m with you on the conspiracy @kaiser. I totally believe it was homicide. There were too many powerful people he could have named.

  13. MariaS says:

    Folks, I’m listening to the Wondery podcast, The Mysterious Mr. Epstein, and the crimes are even worse than I imagined. The death threats to the pregnant Vanity Fair reporter, the police shaming and ignoring the victims, the false imprisonment of one of the victims by Epstein’s friend, the bribes to the Palm Beach sheriff to let him leave his cell as much as he liked…I have to keep taking breaks because it’s awful. I’m sorry he’s dead because I wanted everyone around him to fall too (looking at you Dershowitz and Prince Andrew). That Ghislaine Maxwell walks free today after participating in some of the sexual assaults, threatening people, and transporting the victims to the island infuriates me.

  14. N says:

    I guess he was the scapegoat for these unscrupulous people like Lori L and her Mossimo?

  15. Lorelei says:

    This came from a Fox contributor and was aired on Fox News. I would bet my firstborn that this is laying the groundwork to pin his “murder” on the Clintons. They are such transparent, nefarious trash at Fox. Take them as seriously as you would the Daily Fail.

    • greenmonster says:

      That’s what I’m wondering too. All of a sudden Fox and Friends is a credible source? Is it possible Epstein was murdered? Yeah, maybe. Is it possible that he was such a narcissist that he would rather kill himself (and maybe pay the guards off to look away) than rotting in prison? Yeah, maybe.

      But this interview is absolutely the groundwork to put this on the Clintons and THAT is the real conspiracy here. Epstein’s brother could have a financial interest in claiming his brother was murdered. Fox and Friends surely have an interest here as well – pointing towards the Clintons and turning this into a ‘Democrats are rotten pedophiles who kill people’ debacle.

  16. Senator Fan says:

    I believe he was murdered as well, too many coincidences to not think it’s true. I thought it was murder from the moment he died. I wonder if we’ll ever get the truth. And if there will be any justice for these victims. And where is the Madam hiding? Why is she walking free when there is so much evidence?

  17. EveV says:

    I think it was definitely murder, but nobody broke into the jail to do it. Other inmates or possibly guards were paid to do it. It’s actually pretty sick when you think about it. And because he was a slug of a human being, nobody cares and there won’t be any real investigation into what happened.

  18. Nightsky says:

    I smell a royal rat in the woodpile.