I got it wrong yesterday when I said (initially) that A Berry Royal Christmas had aired in the UK on Sunday night. It did not! It aired last night. There are some YouTube videos, but none of them are official BBC videos. I feel like they’ll probably be taken down, so I won’t even bother with them. I was online as the show aired in the UK and there seemed to be a lot of Kate-defenders – like, just specifically Kate, not Cambridge-defenders – going on and on about how she is the most regal woman to ever marry into the family. Everything was a subtweet of the Duchess of Sussex, basically. And yet, here was a scene which got a lot of attention:
Kate shaking off William's hand on her shoulder during #ABerryRoyalChristmas pic.twitter.com/NyzjdKC3rk
— Caitlin McBride (@mcbride_caitlin) December 16, 2019
I mean… maybe it was just one slightly awkward moment of the Future Queen Kate looking like she could not stand to be touched by the Future King’s rose-trimming hands. Interesting, huh? I eagerly await all of the Daily Mail and Sun’s coverage of this moment, complete with body-language experts analyzing exactly what happened here.
Here’s the “cheating on roulade” part. Will is such a cheater. “She’s not watching…” He’s said that before.
Things get competitive when The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge try making Christmas roulades with Mary Berry and Nadiya Hussain! @KensingtonRoyal #ABerryRoyalChristmas pic.twitter.com/kEggJt7jmH
— BBC One (@BBCOne) December 16, 2019
Here’s Kate and Mary Berry talking about cooking with kids & keen gardens.
The Duchess of Cambridge and Mary Berry discuss why it’s so important for children to spend time outdoors… and in the kitchen! @KensingtonRoyal #ABerryRoyalChristmas pic.twitter.com/i4tYtHUgTC
— BBC One (@BBCOne) December 16, 2019
Photos courtesy of Kensington Palace and WENN.
The video is really funny
No one can say that isn’t what it is. Because we all know that move and he retracted way too quickly for it to be a ‘she was just shifting in her chair’
She was probably thinking, ‘Didnt I tell his behind he gets 10 touches today and he really had the nerve to go for eleven?!? Oh, now I’m definitely getting baby number 4.’
It was an instinctual reaction which does make it interesting. But we are going to see a ton of spin about it.
Yeah Will’s reaction is interesting too. He immediately pulls his hand away. I don’t think you would see that if she was just moving about and laughing or whatever.
But they will certainly try with long meandering comments trying to distract from what we can all see.
I said this elsewhere but can anyone explain the context of the clip in the twitter comments where Will pushes Kate away from him. It’s so open and rude that is there something more there?
I’ve said before, Kate is always “wired” in public. It could be nervousness, or because she isn’t allowed to be seen smoking and maybe she’s going through withdrawal, or she might be hopped up on caffeine (because she can’t be seen yawning either), so her fidgeting in the chair may not be *just* because William touched her. But more telling to me than Kate’s body language is Williams — for a split second you can see how annoyed he is to have been (seemingly) brushed off, then he puts on his happy face a second later and engages with the ladies. I will give him that — he knows how to appear engaged and charming when he wants to, more than Kate does. But then, he’s had more years of practice.
I have recorded it from Catchup, not seen it yet, but from the little clip that I saw, it looks like an instinctive reaction against an unwanted touch, rather than adjusting her seating position, because, it was a single shoulder pull back, and returned it to the same position. No bottom shuffle to sit comfortably. Where is Judy James, when you need her, or she is only contracted to work on The Suxess’s? The silence from RR is deafening ! Such hypocrites and prejudice!
I can affirm out of 25 years of experience: that wasn’t a reflex, tickles, surprise or whatever someone can imagine. That was the reaction of a really angry woman towards her man. I confess that I did the same sometimes (not many) but never so vigorously; she must be really mad at him. And he didn’t act differentely of my hubby in any way: he looks like nothing happened.
Wow, I really enjoyed watching that! Very entertaining to see William loosen up a bit and not be such a sourpuss.
The Duchess of Sussex really has a lot to answer for! 😁
He was actually affable in the clip which is weird… Kate the Mute just giggles as usual. Does she have a thought in her head? Or did that get emptied when her family sold her soul for the Royal Family?
@Ashley G The only way for her to survive this family is to smile and Kardashian her way through these engagements. Not to be mean, but if she were a person of any depth the partnership wouldn’t work.
Sorry to be mean but I just don’t think there is a lot of depth to Kate or intellectual curiosity for that matter.
William doesn’t seem to have noticed.
Wow she really flung her shoulder away from him. What was that supposed to be? She seems to professional to just do that even if she feels that way, weird!
Forgot she was suppose to be in character, maybe?
RunCMC, If she doesn’t want him to touch her, she doesn’t have to let him touch her. Something about your comment rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t think we would tell any other woman that in order to be properly professional she needs to ignore her own discomfort and allow people at work to touch her even when she doesn’t like it.
While I agree with what you are saying that women shouldn’t have to be touched if they don’t want to, it does seem odd that she is reacting to her husband this way. You might expect to see a flinch from a male coworker not a husband, and with the pigeon couple PR happening, this flinch goes against their own narrative.
Strong agree on what you are saying. However, it doesn’t really apply here. She may be at work, but the job is appear on a show with your husband to promote the charities you work on while showcasing your happy marriage and that you are a stable family the nation can count on to maintain the royal line once the Queen is no longer on the throne. *breath* So, if you are pissed off at your husband, not showing it IS the job. Literally.
I hear what you’re saying Amy. I think runCMC’s point is that Kate is fully invested in the “we are a loving couple” show and if she is, it is strange that she would break character in public. She’s usually so controlled. For her to have an unguarded moment like that is really surprising.
There’s a huge difference between people at work and your husband – that clearly is not the situation here. I find it very interesting how often Kate’s hand reaches out to touch Mary B.’s shoulder. Now that is a case of ‘people touching you at work’. Also, if Kate can dish out the touchy-feely, rather odd she can’t take it herself. It is quite patronizing to loom over others as she does and immediately start patting their shoulders.
“Breaking character” seems like a better way to put it. Because it’s not the same as being touched by a random coworker, but it’s also not unprofessional to not want to be touched, no matter who’s doing the touching.
Exactly. Why did William touch her anyway? It can be viewed as a controlling and dominating action actually so he’s the one out of line here.
I agree, Amy. Everyone starts to do the happy dance when William is the one captured pushing her away (with all sorts of theories to boot), but the one time Kate does it, everyone is like ohhh she shouldn’t be brushing off her husband, it’s not the done thing! What we have here is a shift in their dynamic and people can’t stand to see it. If the roles were reserved the tone of the comments would be mighty different. Yes, Kate didn’t want to be touched by him in this particular moment, and that is her right….. Who are you to tell her she shouldn’t have done that?
Well there are a whole lot of people unwilling to even admit that she pushed him away. If she is asserting more power good for her. She’s given him too much power from day one.
Hey I’m actually kinda proud of her. Didn’t think she had it in her, he must have really pissed her off. I don’t think he expected her to do that, either.
Mego- because they’re married? It’s not out of the ordinary for a husband to lovingly touch a wife?
Clearly they are going through something here, and it may be undesired, clearly, but to imply it’s unfounded that this man should touch this woman is silly because they aren’t just a couple of randos. They’re married, with children.
Lucky she’s not in the Henry VIII/Anne Boleyn era.
What’s strange is that it stayed in the program. There was no need to include it.
They definitely shouldn’t complain or explain on this one. Just move on and pretend it didn’t happen. Keep that stiff upper lip with a swig of gin. By the way Mary Berry seemed marvelous as usual. Princess Anne should go to her hairdresser.
She’s pissed at him, and I can’t believe she did that. Chickie might just have some backbone after all.
lol, I meant to type Kate not Chickie. He’s actually my cat (short for Checkers) and he was headbutting me for attention while I was typing.
Chickie sounds like a great nickname for Kate tho, kinda suits her, lol!
I totally love the name Chickie also!!!! And I love that Chickie might have a backbone also! Shake that cheater off. XO
Eh,,, I don’t know. I’ve shrugged off loved ones (and S.Os) when I”m talking to someone, doesn’t mean I’m pissed off at them or I don’t love them. I’m just concentrating on someone/thing else. Everyone will do it at one time or another. Doesn’t mean much of anything imo
It was more aggressive than a shrug though, she jerked his hand off.
And it was on camera, in front of a bunch of people, not just some random shrug in private.
This is the most interesting Kate has ever been! It makes me like her. Chica clearly knows what’s up, has set boundaries for Will, and SNAPPED when he crossed the line.
ITA. She’s mid-30s mom of 3. Problem with plucking women young and docile is we don’t stay that way. Looks like Kate is finding herself.
Probably explains why William had such an issue with Meghan. He saw her individuality and strength of character as problematic, a possible contagion and he was right.
Yeah, the spin on that clip is beyond funny, and the silence from “body language” experts that the Brit press usually love to pull out for others is not shocking either.
That was a straight don’t touch me angry move that many have seen and done. Don’t give me the spiel about Kate was trying to not “break protocol ” with being touched in public because there is no such protocol.
Anyone trying to push that last excuse conveniently forgets that Kate has touched Will in public (hello Eugenie’s broadcasted wedding where she was gripping his thigh).
And yet, the British tabloids analyzed every single frame of film of Meghan and Harry on the balcony, in the carriage, etc with lip readers and body language experts to “prove” there was trouble in paradise. For me, it’s not so much William and Kate, but the unbelievable nastiness to the Sussexes and the over the top fawning the press has towards the Cambridges.
Definitely the hypocrisy gripes people
This TV appearance is damage control for Andrew’s mess. But the hand push? The Cambridges like to promote themselves as the perfect British family, which is why the quick shut down on the cheating rumors.
So much for being like a couple of pigeons
Rose -trimming hands is EVERYTHING! Thanks for a laugh
I watched the entire Christmas special and William & Kate both looked comfortable throughout with some playful moments. My only takeaway is that Kate still needs to work on giving interviews but she has improved!
The problem when you have only two seconds of footage to go by is that it makes it easier to create any narrative you want. Same thing with the balcony appearance at trooping where some were saying Harry was telling off Meghan & she looked upset, then you had so called body language experts giving an entire thesis on 2 seconds of footage…smh! And a similar thing happened just this weekend with Kanye & Jay Z where in one photo Jay Z wasn’t smiling & social media went into overdrive, but in another photo they were both smiling at each other. Social media at times can be so tiresome!
cosign all this. to me it looked like she was excited and moving around
I watched the whole things and I agree. This is a few seconds that have been taken out of context. Kate in particular did come across very well in the show.
100x cosigning this
I have not watched anything other than the one-second clip, but it looks like they were joking around…
Watched the whole thing. They looked comfortable, but not with each other. They maybe looked at each other once, the whole time. And watching the whole thing as opposed to one second made it stand out even more, frankly. She JERKED away from him, quickly. That was a “get off me” shrug.
I agree, but the voice of reason is not always appreciated. These seconds of video are like Rorschach tests, the viewer sees what they want to see. I like delicious gossip as much as the next, but I’ll need more than this crumb.
Lol, the voice of reason. Sure Jan.
There’s a clip in the twitter post from yesterday where William pushes Kate away duting a sporting event. Good for her for shrugging him off.
Yeah—I feel like without being able to hear the conversation they were having in that moment people can only make assumptions about this the way they did with the Meghan/Harry balcony moment. I first assumed Will made an annoying joke about him beating her with the roulade (or something similar) and that’s why she brushes him off. But looking at it slowed down, I think she either does the wiggle as a relaxed joking thing or momentarily turns more fully to look at the woman sitting beside Will, who says something in response to what Will said (specifically because that woman raises her brows in a joking way), but the women is actually finished speaking so Kate turns back to center and then they all pivot to the next person who starts talking. I know others think it was subconscious (And it could be!) but I’m not seeing any other uncontrolled signs of irritation or even a moment her expression changes as he does it so I don’t feel as certain it was a brush off.
Someone said, “I think she was just itching her butt”. Hilarious.
Wow, she’s pissed and he’s acting so guilty. First time I have ever thought that she might have the upper hand. “The tradition in his family”? Shady snark, Waity.
Idk, I think she looks annoyed and he is otherwise unconcerned. But if she’s this angry about him and whatever he’s doing, that Royal Victorian Order is starting to make a lot more sense as a reward for keeping a stiff upper lip…
Expect a lovey dovey appearance from Kant and Baldy soon to deflect attention from this
Or photos of the kids!
Thats very much a ‘don’t effing touch me you scumbag’ move – Kate may have found her backbone again after all these years. His reaction is like ‘fine be like that’, he seemed pissed as well.
Remember this his how his parents marriage started to disintegrate. Diana couldn’t hide her feelings in public any longer. When people front really really hard that they have the most perfect family and marriage you just know its all lies. I have always said that this marriage would go the same way his parents did and I don’t think she would fight against a divorce to be honest. I think she’d be happy with a nice quiet life of luxury paid for by him with the kids away from it all as long as she got to keep her title. She got a taste of how royal life really is and am not convinced it’s what she fantasised it would be, I think she’d take the opportunity to get out regardless of what Mummy says.
Yeah, that’s just … not even subtle. Like, even when Melania batted Trump’s hand away, it wasn’t so obvious. I have no doubt that the Cambridges don’t have the world’s best marriage, but I thought Kate for sure was invested in not letting the cracks appear in public. But she’s held on this long — almost 20 years of putting up with his asshattery at this point — that IDK if she’d really leave willingly.
…or maybe she’s getting ready to run? It’s been 20 years, she might be thinking, another 20 years of this at least before I even get the title? Will she stay for the children’s sake is the question.
She would not be keeping the kids. They belong to the Firm. Line of succession! I’m sure she’d have visitation but they stay with the court. Technically the queen is in charge of the lot of them, already.
They said the same thing when Charles and Di were divorcing, that she would never get the children, they belong to the crown. If they take Kate’s children from her when she has been nothing but an excellent mother to them, the outcry might end the monarchy. It would be the worst of publicity for William. The harm it would cause those children would be heartbreaking.
Kate won’t get the kids or the title. She’ll get a lump sum (say, $30 million) and probably an annual maintenance amount, like $500k per year. Then she stops being invited to royal events and holidays, goes back to being a commoner, and see her kids when William wants her to. Kate will NEVER initiate a divorce, no matter how badly William treats her. If they do split, it will be because that’s what William wants.
ITA. Kate knows very well that if she leaves, that’s buh buy to her kids. And I’m sure William reminds her of that and does so constantly to keep her in line. Kate’s not giving up those little guys for anything. If push comes to shove, shell negotiate a divorce with a 50-50 child custody.
And to the poster that said kids belong to the crown, no they don’t actually.
@babs The kid’s legal guardian is the Queen. Not William or Kate. The Queen obviously doesn’t interfere, but she could. If they divorce, Kate will stay at KP and share the kids as long as she stays there and doesn’t rock the boat. William knows better than to try to take those kids away from her. Kate’s aggressive “just a regular mom who lives for her kids” PR exists for a reason. It’s made it impossible for William to simply take the kids without huge public outcry. She won’t divorce him until he is Prince of Wales. Not because she wants the title, but because he’ll have way more money through the Duchy. Right now, she would end up like Fergie because William hasn’t earned money during the marriage.
That shoulder shake makes me think of Kate pulling out of the evening Tusk event surprisingly that just happened.
Remember the lame excuse that was used? Couldn’t find a babysitter for royals, yeah I think something has happened again and Kate didn’t want to spend evening faking it with the public around.
ITA – there was so much more behind that hence why the RRs ran with it so cryptically… the cracks are now surely showing…
Woooooooo… I too look forward to the reams & screeds of print & blogs that the Murdoch press-nazi-mail going into analysing Wills & Kate shoulder flip-off!!! Ha, right! They’ll cover it in one soft article and then get right back into pay-for-play second hateful cousin of the black (wrong) upstart Meg!
Maybe with that one gesture they put into slight niggling doubt all that Mary Berry & Nadia charm that they are trying to capitalise on.
I don’t know… she looks like she was just animated and turning this way and that during the conversation, in an “I’m excited about this whole thing” sort of way.
Yeah, I think that’s more likely. I think Kate and her family are so grateful of the status her marriage gave them that there is no way they’re going to walk away from it. She waited around for years, including a few breakups, for the ring, she is not going to suddenly get some self-respect all of the sudden. Especially with children now.
Diana was a different person. She grew up in old aristocratic privilege and wasn’t intimidated by it, or craved it. And frankly by growing up in the late 1960s/1970s she was likely influenced by feminist thought.
+1, no way she is leaving him. IMO he has been cheating on her for years and she is fine with it…
That clip is hilarious.
I saw a clip of Kate’s one on one interview With Berry and I could not understand what she was saying.
That pussy bow dress seems dated.
The bow is an extremely odd choice for a cooking show! Won’t it drag in the cake batter?
The pussy bow needs to be retired form fashion asap.
That loose hair hanging over the food made me cringe. How about pulling it back in a ponytail for the sake of hygiene?
Yes please o’clock the pussy bows in a locked box and never take them out.
Big WORD on the hair! I pull my shoulder-length bob back in the kitchen…her’s is practically dusting the roulade!
It’s already being spun as not wanting to show ‘PDA’ on TV. I’m just wondering why it wasn’t edited out. Even if it’s nothing, it certainly doesn’t LOOK good.
Agree with this totally. It would’ve been a really easy clip to edit out and then no one would be having this conversation.
The videos are super cute, they both come across as having a sense of humour and Kate seems really sweet. They should do more of this sort of thing.
I really enjoyed the roulade clip and thought they seemed very comfortable and fun with each other. I thought Kate was charming the way she was chatting away while assembling her cake.
If you go under the clip theres endless similar interactions of blocking her off like during the BAFTA event and another during Ireland visit where he pushed her way as she went to hug him!!🙈 so much for being pigeon mates🤣🤣 and their daily fail mouthpieces aren’t helping with their ridiculous and obvious DAMAGE CONTROL fanfiction especially with endless proof of their PDA in public engagements during their early years.
Gosh, the whole thing was so awkward to watch🙈 if you watch again from bbc YT account look at Mary’s face the whole time. In one instance shes so dumbfounded by katie Keen’s random ramblings..
https://twitter.com/RoyalDetective8/status/1206715534915592192?s=19
Its so painfuly obvious how the show was heavily edited and that’s expected but it felt like they were out of material so they had to use the shrug part and other parts
Aw, come on. I got what Kate was saying. She isn’t the most succinct speaker but I did get the gist of it. She’s trying, y’all!
Yep. I totally understood what she meant. My mom went to rehab for drug abuse when I was about 10 and my sisters and I were all included in group counseling sessions during her stay.
9 years and people are still making excuses for the old girl. Diana took public speaking lessons because she knew she wasnt good at it.
Seriously, the whole “she’s trying!” excuse for this 37 year old woman who has been at this for 8 years is extremely tired.
She’s going to be 38 in a few weeks and has been in this family for nine years. Trying isn’t good enough anymore.
All I took from that clip is that it’s taken Kate about 2 years to learn what we all already know about the cycle of abuse and addiction and how it can be passed down to children growing up in that environment. Truly the little she’s said about her children’s initiative is all stuff we all already know, and she’s presenting it as a new discovered fact, when in reality it just sounds like it’s new to her and she wants a pat on the head for learning it, which is why it’s probably so hard for her to articulate.
@Mtec – that was my takeaway from that clip as well. Kate is acting like she JUST learned this about addiction and is so excited to pass her learning on to Mary Berry.
Maybe she got help from Pippa. Remember #pippatips? Telling people how to make ice cubes and cups of tea. When you are as ignorant and lazy as Kate, you have nothing more to offer than state the obvious.
#katetips
#playoutside
Was going to comment yesterday how the two of them in the car looked as if there was a ocean between them. Held my comment and today this. Remember the naysayers about Charles and Diana…we all know how that turned out.
The Fail has done an article on this& seems like mischief on their part to even draw attention to it even if it looks like spinning, especially as the special had really positive feedback online.
Oh my gosh, much uproar about nothing. I watched a longer clip and she was just shifting around when he touched her.
That makes more sense to me. I do not think she is so careless as to reject him on national television.
Jo, it may be nothing, but I’d call that deliberate gesture universal. I don’t know a single woman who hasn’t used that very gesture to convey one thing one only, and that’s get your hands off me.
@ Joanna + Chilly
Yup, agree totally. I think it’s much ado about not very much. If she had a genuine problem with him, she most certainly wouldn’t advertise it so openly for the world to see and judge. (I don’t think, anyway)
Nah, the longer clip showed she wasn’t shifting around, it was a kneejerk reaction.
Except that the woman in the split second before also makes a bob’n’move gesture and Will’s hand was coming off her back before she even started moving… Many of the women were bopping about in the clip as well. Seems that Kate is awkwardly mirroring them to me
I remember when a Meghan hate account said that Harry told Meghan off at Trooping and Meghan cried. The video made so many rounds with RR’s retweeting it and the body language experts came out. Nothing from the RR’s about this clip and the body language experts are silent. Amazing.
Yup I remember this. They’re so luckily to have Meghan as a scapegoat/distraction man. I wouldn’t do anything to drive her away if I were will and/or kate.
The haters edited the video to try to make their (false) point. No editing required on this one. He reached out, Kate moved away to avoid his touch.
I don’t know. Did I watch the same video as everyone else? It’s hard to say from the angle, but it looks to me like she’s laughing as she’s doing it. Without more context and a longer clip I don’t think I could say one way or the other what that was all about.
I can’t believe she would “disrespect” him in public like that but it sure looks like that’s exactly what she did! She just doesn’t seem that stupid or reckless. Regardless, Bill deserves it so I hope she really was shrugging off his affections.
It’s so bizarre because she’s usual thrilled to pieces when he touches her or even acknowledges her.
This was filmed a few months ago. The blue and pink dress was from where the Duchess and Queen Berry opened the garden together in early September. Were there any tiff stories then?
Mary Berry is, as always, a delight, as is Nadiya.
Yes. the rumors about the affair started making the rounds last spring.
I’m sorry – I don’t understand why that rumor is floated around on this website when the person who started it very clearly stated that she made it up. Anyone who has been in a loving relationship can see that Kate and William are utterly happy together and in love. Why is there such a need for people to believe otherwise? This website is literally the only place where that rumor is repeated over and over again.
Well, its still all over twitter, soooo….no, its not just this website.
And who started it that very clearly stated she made it up?
@mia lol, this website is not “LITERALLY the ONLY place where that rumor is repeated over and over again.” you need to get around the internet more if you think that.
“Anyone who has been in a loving relationship can see that Kate and William are utterly happy together and in love.”
If you’re sure about that, LOL.
Yes, because there is a pathological need for some people in the world to believe that others are miserable in their lives and marriages. Other people’s happiness rankles them. That’s why the rumor is all over twitter – but only in the Sussex fandom. Nowhere else. That doesn’t make it true. And anyone who has a pair of eyes and any conscience whatsoever knows that. Not a single tabloid picked up that rumor because they knew William would sue the heck out of them because it’s not true. Do you ladies really believe that he’s cheating on her? After decades of these two parading in public.. it’s clear that he is besotted with her. It’s unfortunate that many women don’t know a happy loving relationship because they’ve never been in one. And hence they must believe the worst of other people’s relationships.
I guess we are looking at different couples, because I don’t think its clear at all that he is besotted with her. And I’ve been happily married for almost 13 years, but nice try.
William threatened to sue over the story that Kate and Rose Hanbury had a falling out. Reporters were told they couldn’t cover it. I mean, you don’t think that’s a little fishy?
If people look to Kate and William for the example of a loving and faithful relationship then I feel bad for them. I mean doesn’t everyone want their husband and father of young children to not be involved when they are babies or to take off during holidays to go to another woman’s wedding? Or barely look at you in public and talk down to you in front of others. There is nothing about William that says besotted and if people actually believe that’s what it looks like then they haven’t actually been in a loving relationship. Respecting your partner is pretty fundamental to it and William has not done that to Kate.
If your statements about Will and Kate’s obvious happiness rankling us were true, wouldn’t you think more of us would be snarking on how happy Harry and Meghan are?
Or is it possible we aren’t new here or to royal-watching in general, and that the facts/patterns/context don’t exactly all combine to indicate a husband who treats his wife well?
I’ve noticed a pattern with Kate stans – it’s always “anyone who mention’s Kate’s style must be fat!” “Anyone who doesn’t think they’re the perfect couple must be lonely and bitter!” Give it up.
Reporters tweet they have evidence, their office all talking about it, and they admit they’re ordered to delete the tweets. William has lawyers threaten a lawsuit in European courts to get it silenced. Not claiming libel (ie. able to prove the affair talk was lies) but under ‘right to a private life’. KP staff giving advice to Rose during all of this. A parade of stories about William working out with other mums as cover, the long walks and private dinners with Rose. W&K break their own years-long practice and start trotting the kids out for frequent pap opportunities. Rose’s drunk brother overheard talking about all of it at his private club and people from the club talking about what he said. Kate given the RFO at an obvious time, smack in the middle of sitting back and putting up with it all.
No, it wasn’t one person making it up. William cheated on her for 10 years. Nothing has changed.
I’ve been married 10 years and no, they are absolutely not a clear example of an obviously happy couple. In most, not all, but MOST, photos of them he isn’t even looking at her. And I don’t buy the protocol excuse — I don’t think there’s anything “professional” “elegant” or “regal” about not outwardly showing your life partner affection. I thought they were supposed to be so “modern”?
@Mia nah, the rumor is out there and crops up in various discussion forums, I don’t know of another site that is so invested in the destruction of this family, but it definitely gets mentioned elsewhere.
No one on this site is invested in the ‘destruction of this family’. If any one is destroying it, it is William. We just don’t fall for the W&K PR and haven’t for a decade. If you want a site invested in the attempted destruction of an openly-happy marriage, go see RD, RG, and tumblr re. the Sussex family.
Oh, the infamous Mia. I certainly admire your persistence.
@Nota — I agree with you about the sites you mentioned and the treatment of the Sussex family.
Let’s be honest here, no one spends hours speculating on ANY couple, dissecting every article, gesture, statement etc. hoping they are wrong. That’s the whole point of gossip! We want the juicy, dirty details and once we form an opinion, we want validation… receipts if you will.
But yea, let’s pretend it’s only constructive criticism.
Mia, I hear you. People see what they want to see. Other images can easily be found- scads of them- of W&K laughing, his arm on the small of her back, whispering to each other, and so on. Anyone can be portrayed any way. No one except them knows what goes on in their real lives, and the decades of those lives that they’ve spent together.
Aren’t you doing the same thing, seeing what you want to see from the video, just like everyone else?
Lady D is that comment to me? I haven’t even commented. I don’t know what’s going there/if there’s anything there. But my broader comment was that people often see what they want- be that in the leaders they support or loathe, any of these royal couples, royals in other countries, politics in general, etc.
I watched the video a few times and what I noted was that Kate’s brush off seemed unconscious and reflexive , which I feel is far more telling as it shows deep down all is not well.
We’ve seen these two play nice in front of the cameras and Kate is not the type to make waves – EVER, but that snippet was oh so very telling. It pretty much backed up what casual observers have always said about these two…. i.e. that very little passion lies between them.
Finally what was interesting from the body language is that Kate appeared to have the upper hand and that William is very much on the back foot about something.
That was my thought. It seemed like a reflex, something automatic. Maybe other times she is more conscious in public about not stepping away, but in that clip she seemed relaxed and so it seemed more telling IMO.
The funny part to me though is whether or not it means anything (and I’ll admit that it probably does not mean anything and we’re just making a big to-do over one 2 second clip lol), you know we are not going to have the body language analysis that we have with ANY public appearance from Meghan and Harry together.
I think it was a reflex however she was at first sitting still, then shrugged him off and then went back to being still – there ain’t gonna be a 4th Cambridge kid now. Whatever is/has been going on I think she’s had enough.
Agreed Becks, it could be something or it could be nothing. It may be that William simply caught her off guard with his ‘playing at nice’ in front of the camera’s (which has been happening a lot recently). But what cannot be denied is the fact that she (a) was not expecting/ used to it (b) was not comfortable with it…. hence the flinch…
Hahahahahaha
The second video is just cringe-worthy. They’re trying so hard to look normal, they even got Mary Berry to play along.
It looked like Kate was speaking animatedly to the woman opposite her and she twisted her body to brush William’s hand off as if it were a fly. Even if it were an unintentional reflex, it was awkward to see.
I am no fan of William and Kate to say the least. Watched the video and would not equate this with Melania slapping Donald’s hand away. I t almost looks to me as if he startled her.
There will be no analysis of it in the Dim or DF because it would break the deal they have with Carole. Also racist are breathlessly looking for signs that Will and Kate’s marriage is on the rocks 🙄
Even so, couples who are intimately connected don’t flinch or get startled by each other this way. Kate is naturally very nervy and this reaction was very telling…
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Eh. I’ve jumped when my husband has put his arm on me and I’m not paying attention to where he is. I’ll either just be too focused on something else, or he’ll move quietly and I’ll think he’s not near by and then all of a sudden I have someone touching me lol. And there are PLENTY of people who just don’t like being touched very much, regardless of who is doing it.
I also get allodynia, which is literally a painful sensation from a non-painful stimulus. So while I love my husband beyond words – sometimes I am also shrugging away because of pain if I’m in a flareup of symptoms.
I think people tend to forget that there are a LOT of people out there who are very different from themselves. There are people who are very tactile and show their love physically. There are people who do service, or pay compliments or whatever. No two couples are the exact same, and just because there’s a difference doesn’t mean a lack of love.
Kate has always been the one to seek a physical connection as we have seen in photos and videos for the last nine years. They aren’t a couple who “don’t touch” at least on her end so it just makes her flinching reaction very interesting when he initiated the contact.
Maybe she has some nerve pain or a bruise/pimple in that spot and it looked like he was tapping/patting her and she shifted instinctively cause its irritating/painful. I have some nerve damage in one of my hands and sometimes even when my beloved grandchildren go to hold my hand I instinctively shake them off. Of course, then I explain why and grab their darling hands for the rest of the time.
I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one however, I have done that shoulder shrug when I wish a MF would! lol
I’d say she’s not used to him touching her but Louie blows a hole in that theory.
Lady D – it’s a whole other ball game at that level of society hence the fact the Aristo’s coined the term ‘breeding’.
Having children together does not mean they actually like each other. After all Kate’s job was to provide an heir and a spare or two. All done now…
Louie… and George and Charlotte?
@Louisa why are people surprised by this ? It’s a very Aristo thing to ‘marry well’ for social standing then cheat like crazy. Look at Charles and Diana, Camilla and the list goes on…
@Mignionette I was actually replying to Lady D, sorry if that wasn’t clear! 😀
I do agree with your comment though. They already have two ‘spares’, I don’t think they’ll be trying for a fourth.
Well you can have children without having sex. IVF so if she wanted a child but not have him touch her, still possible.
I singled out Louie because their rift if you will, wasn’t obvious during the G&C years. It’s only the last 18-24 months that things have seemed frosty between them. If they weren’t getting along, there wouldn’t have been a young Louie.
Ok so I rescind my above comments because I watched another video and this wasn’t a startle reflex but a deliberate turning away.
Really? Any chance we could get a link? Pwetty please? 🤓
Lol. D@mn. She didnt even try to be subtle. At first I thought it was joking because she was smiling but no she was smiling at the woman talking then turned her attention to the other woman.
Lol. There’s really no spinning of this one. It certainly doesn’t look like she’s adjusting her seating as Cambridge fans have claimed. And as for the smiling/laughing…of course she’s going to keep on a happy face in front of the cameras. One of the VERY few things Kate is good at is grinning and laughing for the public. There’s been few times where she was grim-faced. Anyway, what I find interesting is that this clip was kept in. I would’ve thought whoever was editing the special would’ve cut out this brief but telling moment.
Something tells me the royal reporters would have such a juicy gossip story if they dug into the cambridges. But nope. eventually all chickens come home to roost.
But they do. If they print it however then their access disappears… however just like the Andrew story when the Cambs do anything to fuel the speculation then the kid gloves will come off…
Wow. Maybe the pigeons decided to peck at each other.
Jen…thanks for my morning laugh!
But their PR team said that they’re like a couple of pigeons! LMAO
The video is yikes but all I can think about is her hair dangling down as she prepares that food. Ponytails are your friend, Kate.
Yeah, and used her hands to brush her hair to the side. Yuck.
I normally try not to over analyze this kind of stuff, but WOW. My mouth actually flopped open. That was clearly a “don’t f***ing touch me” move. I think it was absolutely a momentary slip where it was so instinctual to move away that she forgot in that split second where they were. Sorry, the stans are not going to convince me. There is some bad, bad juju happening in their marriage. Something has felt very off with them, particularly Kate, lately, and this just confirmed it 100%.
Yeah, a lot of resentment building up. It eventually shows. Yowza.
Yeah, she clearly has a lot of resentment and disdain for him. It’s an interesting dynamic change as for years he was like that to her esp in public but the power balance has changed. I think when the Rose story broke she made it clear that she was not going to turn a blind eye anymore to his cheating esp as the affect that would have on the kids.
As I said above this is what happened with his parents marriage, Diana couldn’t hide her disdain for Chuck in public.
Kate’s his show pony. She’s the image that their fans seek out and Kate and her family handle all the daily work of keeping the happy family image going. William is the sensible right-wing toff who won’t disturb anything for the other Turnip toffs.
But Kate would not be accepted without William and William would actually have to face some real scrutiny without Kate. Maybe the Rose affair made it unignorable for Kate that the Toffs will never really accept her.
@Digital Unicorn very interesting – I agree.
BTW I also spoke to a non Royal watching office buddy about this and she thinks that this was a definite shrug as in crystal clear with some signs of anger dear I say it showing from Kate.
She also thinks that Kate and Will have some sort of ‘political marriage’ going on for the cameras and part of the deal post the Rose affair was that Kate would smile and continue as usual but maybe Kate is not ok with playing up with the cameras so that she won’t look like a hypocrite should she ever need to tell her side of the story one day. When I think about this theory it dovetails with so many other snippets of evidence i.e. Carole stepping back from the Cambridges, William not attending Carole’s 60th etc etc
Don’t think there is going to be a fourth child 😳
I don’t care for these two at all and I dont think this means much. They’ve been together long enough to have their dog and pony act down.
If anyone wants to examine the state of the Cambridge’s union, explore the rumours of him and other women (Rose who?) and their willingness to stab his brother in the back. Those are signs of an unhappy home.
I can’t stop watching/re-watching. I would like to see more than a 2-3 second clip, but highly doubt that’d make it any better. Yikes!
yeah I spent a few minutes at the gym just now watching it (I know, I KNOW) and the more I watch the more pointed it seems. It was a very deliberate and swift “get off me.” Actually fairly elegant in its way, LOL.
Meghan certainly wouldn’t have done that…but she actually LIKES the Prince she married. 🤷🏽♀️
…and he appears to adore her and not able to keep his hands to himself. Lol!
Ooh, I love the shade!
Valiantly Varnished, yes, but Meghan has a husband who is actually likable as well as lovable.
Sure. But Kate knew that going in.
Very true, Kate knew what she was marrying but I think whatever deal they had going into the marriage changed when the kids came along. The Cambridge’s have made a very big deal about recreating the Middleton family environment, Mike was clearly an involved father and obviously Kate wants that for her children. William by his own recent admission says that he is too busy to spend as much time with them as he’d like – the big question is what is he busy doing? It’s not his duties.
That deal involved him getting to jet off to see Jecca whenever (hunting, wedding, Tusk Trust events in several countries solo), him partying with the lads (drunken wedding injuries, skiing and dad dancing).
The one time Kate broke up with him was over public humiliation about his open cheating. Maybe the deal between William and the Middletons/Kate involves him being required to keep the cheating quiet. He messed up on that big time this round.
“Sure. But Kate knew that going in.”
She did. I completely understand your point and agree.
But it reminds me of something my friend said as her marriage was crumbling. She told her husband that when he acted a specific way, “it made forever seem like a really, really long time.” That stuck with me. Her husband had not changed much over the years. You can’t really boil down the end of a marriage to ONE thing really, but in their case, one major issue was that she is a social butterfly that wants to be out with people a lot, and he is a homebody that wants to stay home a lot. They tried just doing their own thing, she went out with friends and he stayed in. But they grew apart because they weren’t spending quality time together. And he was also a bit grumpy while she was a very upbeat person.
Those personalities were there when they met and fell in love, and dated, and decided to marry. But over time, he became more of a recluse, and she became less tolerant of it. Until it was too much and they divorced.
Maybe Kate thought Wills would change? (I know, I know) Or maybe she just overestimated her ability to put up with his antics for *decades*.
Your point still makes plenty of sense, she absolutely knew what she was getting into. I am just saying that maybe she had not counted on how SHE would react in the long term? When she was “Waity Katie” I think she might have struggled with just trying to “win” him. And now she got the damn “prize” and she is thinking “well shit, why did I do that? This prize sucks!”
@turtledove – I think you are correct and we see that struggle manifest itself in many ways.
@Turtledove – you have a good point. There’s “knowing” and then there’s living it. Or maybe Kate didn’t realize how subconsciously she assumed William would change- treat her with more respect, or be warmer, or something (stop cheating?) I also think its different when you have kids. You may be okay with a certain dynamic in your marriage/relationship for yourself but aren’t necessarily okay with your children seeing it and absorbing it.
@Kaiser I see an increase in snark in your posts and I LOVE IT. You’re getting funnier and funnier 😀
WORD.
“Rose trimming hands”….LOL…Kaiser you made my day!
Ok so I watched another video of this from another angle and Kate actually changes her facial expression almost to a grimace as she flinches away….
Something is defo off about these two. Kate is not even hiding it here.
Are you able to post the link?
She didn’t just move her shoulder. She moved her whole body. She didn’t want to be touched by him. At. All.
I adore my husband, yet I hate it when he puts his hand on my shoulder. It means nothing in the scheme of things. It’s just uncomfortable.
Lol who knows maybe he was making a joke at her expense and she reacted in playful way
Okay Okay Okay….
Now I know what the Fail are up to…. I DETEST that paper and detest giving them clicks but mehn…. the comments section is littered with innuendo about William and Rose….
The Fail are trying to break the story just in time for Christmas….
Yeah – now that the Sussex’s are off limits (due to them being away and the court case) part of me thinks that the ‘men in grey’ are going to chuck the Cambridges under the bus to distract from Andrew. Remember there is supposedly more documents being released soon from that court case in NY.
That story was never going to go away not matter what William gave the press. There is def something going on with the W&K, maybe she’s just got sick of his behaviour.
Goes back to what people have alluded to…without the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, their click count fails as well as revenue. They must be pretty desparate. And no, Pippa walking her dog again can’t cut it. Lol!
@Mignionette see this is what I mean about the Fail being mischievous. How often do they leave comments on articles about any royal except Meghan unmoderated? Major stirring going on. Awful ‘newspaper’
@Rogue they certainly tried it.,… William must have know that they were NEVER going to let that story lie. The minute someone speaks he’s toast….
Same way I don’t read more into what happens between Meghan and Harry (him making her cry on the balcony anyone?), I’m not going to read more into this.
I guess, except that the Harry and Meghan balcony thing was truly a split second off the cuff deal and this was part of a scripted program that’s meant to be PR for the Cambridges…
Everything anyone does in the RF is PR. She let her true feelings out for once and you’re going to criticize her for it? Okay. I thought this is what commenters on here wanted her to do all along. I actually have respect for her because she was unwilling to play the part, even if it was for a few seconds. Shows she has a backbone.
Where did I criticize her for the shoulder shrugging? All I have said is that this shoulder shrugging is obviously symptomatic of something bigger. I was replying to the idea that there was no need to “read into it”. Read more closely.
Also LOL at the idea that two words caught from a casual unscripted conversation are somehow the same as this television program.
Her voice annoys me. I watched the clip of her talking about gardening. Yuck. It seems so fake like she’s trying to talk in a fancy way.
I’m with you there. Not only her fake accent, but all that hand movement just is so annoying. I really can’t stand either of them, I only follow them to see the fashions.
I think she’s speaking with her true accent here and her “faux posh” accent was largely a combination of ill-advised elocution lessons and her being very nervous and mumbling/speaking too softly because she didn’t have confidence about her delivery. I watched this special and she sounds just like the way she did in that paparazzi video from the dating years (the one where she told them what they were doing was unacceptable).
I’m also very forgiving of the gesticulating as someone who also talks with her hands. LOL For me, it’s tied to my public anxiety about meeting new people and/or speaking publicly and I’d rather use focus for what I’m saying rather than to try to force myself to stop moving my hands when most people don’t care about it.
I have two friends who talk with their hands, a lot. To ask either of them to stop using their hands would be no different than asking them to stop breathing. They would both probably be truly baffled by the notion of not using their hands.
Or perhaps he was trying to speak to the lady on Kate’s right and was asking Kate to move back a little so he could see the lady better.
Could be, but she still removed his hand from her shoulder with a decisive jerk.
Yes, she could have just leaned back without doing that.
I think alot of the stans & sceptics here haven’t seen the show yet so here’s a link..
https://youtu.be/rTO_0kG8dog
It’s very clear to me that this was a subconscious reflex and she forgot to play the part and that cameras were rolling in that split second. I mean you could see shes already sitting and she wasn’t smiling as she flinched!!!
How far into this clip is Kate’s shrug?
Don’t know if there’s an issue with them but her immediate expression after the shrug was fake smiling. She’s either uncomfortable here and/or annoyed at him.
Well done Kate. I have more respect for her now.
Before viewing the video, I thought it may have been taken out of context. But nope, she definitely shrugged his hand off her, with the tightest smile I have seen. I cannot wait to see how they try to spin this. Maybe they will say the Duchess thought it was a fly or something, LOL. What a farce!
It looks like she shook him off, then tried to cover it to look like she was moving positions. Even if she finds him annoying, wouldn’t read too much into this. No one will say anything beyond the usual perfect couple line.
I wonder why the show left that in- did they miss it? Did the editors want that in there? Or did the Cambridges approve b/c any publicity is good publicity? Also, was this pre-taped? Perhaps it was pre-taped way back when, when the Rose Hanbury stuff was still fresh.
All I can say is I’d hate to be in that marriage, it must be lonely for her to not have William’s full love and affection, and having to deal with repeated infidelities. In a situation like that trust naturally breaks down and communication dries up. I wonder if they’re getting marriage counseling?
Hummmmm I wonder how many “Wonderful and wondrous Future Queen Kate” stories William has to leak before he is out of the dog house. She is super pissed at him with probably 99 reasons
Interesting. Watching the clip, I see her doing a little 1-2-3, back to the left, back to the right, and centering herself. It seems more like an intentional seat shimmy, and Will is patting her shoulder as if to say “your turn, go ahead.” Look forward to seeing the full thing!
“…rose-trimming hands” – I LOVE YOU
Now I have the image of Edward Scissorhands with rose bushes .
It seems to me that william wants her to stop talking to the person on his left. He wants to hear what the person near Kate is saying.
He tries to turn Kate to the other side. She resists, but then obeys and turn.
That take on the situation doesn’t sound much better I.e. he’s controlling, she resists, then capitulates. Mind you this is on a scripted television special that’s about Christmas, cakes, and giving back, so that was not part of the plan. Whatever it is, it is off script.
Maybe he gave her a carpet shock?
Idk, but having suffered fr anxiety and panic attacks for a looong time, I recognize this jumpy startle. It’s also why she prob doesn’t say much. You can smile and act your way thru the anxiety if you don’t have to yak or make eye contact too much. Playing w the hair or other fidgeting also a dead giveaway. No one would ever know if you didn’t live it but I def see it as an anxious response not a resp to Wm touching her.
Holy Shit that was awkward.
I was wondering why The Queen opened the vault and let Kate wear the crown jewels at the Diplomatic Reception not to mention the new ring. My guess is William was indeed caught trimming the roses again
Queenie is going to have to come up with some more ribbons and trinkets to keep that schrade going. Yikes!
Kate slipped out of character! The Rose rumors were true, whoever first said it is very perceptive I’ll never doubt you again. I don’t think William respects Kate not in the way Harry does Meghan. Kate has WAY too much of a past where she let William’s cheating roll off her back, he probably feels she’s the same Kate.
So I watched the clips and while I don’t get a gooey gushy omg we are head over heels in love vibe from these two, I feel like Kate and William are comfortable with each other? I don’t necessarily disbelieve the rumors of William’s affair but I also don’t get the feeling that this is a couple that barely tolerates each other, Kate’s brush off notwithstanding. It’s odd but one gesture does not signify a couple hates each other.
The thing that annoyed me was when Kate and Mary were talking as they were making the roulade and Kate revealed that William’s family opens gifts on Christmas Eve (not uncommon by the way) and was about to go on with her story, when William interrupted her saying “Time!” because he had finished his roulade. I thought that was rude and not sure he did it because he didn’t want Kate revealing royal family Christmas details or he was just being an ahole in general.
I watched a longer version of it. He touched her, his hand lingered, and then she shook it off. That is much worse than I thought. Initially, I thought maybe she was surprised or reacted instinctively to something unexpected. Then I realized his hang lingered and she literally shook it off.
That is how I react to someone whose touch I find revolting or when I am super pissed.
Yikes.
Kate is holding all the cards. Because whether they are happy or not does not matter. Her children will inherit the throne no matter what. This is what she wants and this is what will happen in the future. Her children’s futures are safe and secure. So Willy boy can just suck it up and deal with it. Kate has done her duty for the crown and nothing will change for her children’s future.
If William doesn’t want to be married to her anymore, he won’t be. The kids, whatever their inheritance (and never say never, since Brexit is coming up and a hard Brexit is going to impact peoples’ views of the monarchy), are in the custody of the Queen.
Kate holds no cards.
Lol wrong. The monarchy isn’t going anywhere, the Conservatives won with a landslide, there is no never say never for the near future. The taxpayers have voted for the Conservatives and they don’t care about a hard Brexit and it’s affects. If they did, the whole country wouldn’t have been blue on election night. Kate does hold the cards because even if Will decided to divorce her, like she said, her children’s and grandchildren’s and great grandchildren’s lives are set for life and secure, no matter what happens. Kate would receive a healthy settlement amount – and William’s reputation and popularity based on his mother would go down the drain in a heartbeat. He isn’t stupid. He gets to have his cake and it eat it with Kate because she isn’t going to do anything to make waves. Kate and the kids present to the world a happy stable PR perfect image of a loving family. He would never willingly mess that up. He wants to be seen as better than Charles. So yup she does hold the upper hand here.
I absolutely adore my husband, but I have done this. It’s an involuntary response most of the time, and I think people are going way overboard with this. Maybe it’s a “people with anxiety” thing, but I suppose I assumed this happens to everyone. I’ve done exactly that, involuntarily, when surprised by a touch when I wasn’t expecting it. I’ve done that even when my daughter came up to hug me, and I always love a hug from my kid. It didn’t mean ANYTHING negative when I’ve done that.
The natural response of others when someone jerks away at touch like that is to remove their hands. I normally love being touched socially by people I know (especially my family), but if I’m really anxious, I have involuntary responses, and that’s what that looked like to me.
To me, it looks like the video is played backwards!
to me it looked like he was sort of teasing her a little (can’t hear what was being said) and said something mildly saucy and she was like OH YOU? Like, I don’t see a Don and Melan I HATE YOU DONT TOUCH ME there.
I’ve been married for 25 yrs together 27. What I saw when he touched her shoulder and her flinching, is she was pissed at him for some reason or another, whether it being his rose tending tending fingers, which it probably was. I have never flinched away from my husbands touch unless I was furious with him.