Before we get into this bonkers Daily Mail story, I’d just like to take a moment and recap two stories which happened last year (both in April 2019) which perfectly encapsulated what was really happening behind the scenes between the Cambridges, the Sussexes and Buckingham Palace. Story #1: William had his panties in a bunch about the very idea of Meghan being allowed to borrow any jewelry from the Royal Collection, so to stop William’s ass from hurting, she promised William that Meghan would never again be allowed to wear any Royal Collection jewelry. Story #2: William and his advisors were truly PLOTTING to have the Sussexes sent away, exiled to another country, and even then, William was worried that if he exiled them to Australia or Canada, they would still get too much attention, so he plotted to have the first biracial duchess “sent to Africa.” This was William consulting with Kensington Palace staff AND Buckingham Palace staff.
So, keep all of that in mind when you read this Daily Mail piece, wherein some unnamed “royal insiders” are throwing an absolute HISSY FIT about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex withdrawing from senior-royal status.
Harry and Meghan last night ‘pressed the nuclear button’ on their royal careers by announcing they are quitting their frontline roles. Their dramatic decision was taken without the knowledge of the Queen, Prince Charles or Prince William, who learnt about the announcement as it broke on television news channels. A senior royal source said the Queen and her family were ‘deeply disappointed’. Another said the royals were ‘shocked, saddened and downright furious’ at the couple. In a terse statement, Buckingham Palace said: ‘Discussions with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are at an early stage. We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work though.’
Well-placed sources made clear that the shock announcement was a personal statement and ‘members of the family were not consulted on the contents’. One exasperated aide said: ‘People had bent over backwards for them. They were given the wedding they wanted, the house they wanted, the office they wanted, the money they wanted, the staff they wanted, the tours they wanted and had the backing of their family. What more did they want?’
Another royal source said: ‘It’s deeply unfair to the Queen who doesn’t deserve to be treated this way. It is a shoddy way to treat her. The family understands that they want to do something different and is perfectly willing to help them. People are just devastated.’
The Mail has been told the couple ‘secretly plotted’ their decision during their stay in Canada, even conspiring to create a new website independent of the Royal Family and ready to launch it when they returned. This was without the knowledge of their own loyal UK-based press team.
‘The level of deceit has been staggering and everyone from the top of the royal household to the bottom feels like they have been stabbed in the back,’ one source said.
Harry and Meghan have, in the words of one aide, ‘no clue’ as to how they will become financially independent – although for the moment are insisting they will continue to take money from the Queen and the Prince of Wales to fund their official work. ‘It’s a masterclass in wanting to have your cake and eat it,’ one royal insider raged. ‘Even their own staff cautioned against them making this public until they actually sat down and discussed it with the family properly. But they are in this weird bubble and have this strange siege mentality. They feel like it’s them against the world and are painting a very unfair picture of how this is a family that supposedly doesn’t understand or support them, which is complete and utter rubbish.’
‘They have got to start working with people. It’s hugely unfair to paint out that this is a fusty old institution that doesn’t want to help them. People have been bending over backwards looking at different ways of doing things.
The level of deceit! No, they didn’t tell the fusty old courtiers because those are the same a–holes who have been stabbing them in the back for the past two years. The one thing I will give this “insider” is that it would have been better to announce everything when there was a firm plan in place about where they’re going and what they’ll do once they get there. But, you know…Meghan is the planner. I’m sure she’s already figured it out and they’re just making this announcement in stages. As for the feeling of BETRAYAL felt by the Queen, Charles and whoever else… LMAO. Harry warned ‘em. He tried to tell ‘em. They didn’t listen.
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I think they should have at least told the queen before making the announcement .it was kindda disrespectful
And we know they didn’t tell the queen because? Because the Charles and William are livid and the couriers are pissed Harry and Meg pulled a fast one on them. Despite how the trash media is spinning this, Harry and Megan have been making it clear for months that they’re fed up and even the statement released by the palace proved the Queen knew. The Royal family are upset they didn’t get to release their own statement about how Harry and Megan ‘have been asked to step back’ and spin it as though they’re being punished. No, the way they’ve done it is best for them, getting it out that it’s their choice to be free, not some exile makes me so happy. F what the queen thinks after she stood by and let them get abused for the past 2 years.
Agreed. I also think they were willing to wait on announcement until the leaks started. Once the leaks started they were also prepared to release their statement immediately. I think the Sussexes have learned the hard way that when negotiating with the Firm, they hope for the best but are prepared for the worst.
Yeah I don’t know how I feel about the surprise, but I will point out that the queen doesn’t have their photo on the desk, so…
It wouldn’t have been humiliating if BP hadn’t released that statement that basically said “We’re as surprised as anyone!” They could have said “While details are still being ironed out, we support the Duke and Duchess in their attempts to redefine their roles.” Instead they released a passive aggressive statement that made it clear they weren’t in favor of the statement.
Also, reports are that the Sussexes had talked to The Queen, Charles, and the Cambridges about it, and that’s when it leaked to The Sun. If they can’t keep their mouths shut, they get shut out of info. That’s how things have to be done when you’re dealing with the kind of treachery they have been facing.
At another point In this “bombshell” they *do* say that Charles and TQ knew. That it’d been discuss in “prior weeks”. It’s only news to US.
On a side note, I do LOVE it that they released this info nd their new website ONE DAY before Kate’s birthday…because I’m petty that way 😄😆😁
ETA: the BM, all the toxic RRs, the racists…all kept calling on M&H to “Mexit”, and now they are doing just that, it’s all: “HOW DARE THEY?” True disconnect from THEIR behaviours!
Jen, Exactly.
“They could have said ‘While details are still being ironed out, we support the Duke and Duchess in their attempts to redefine their roles.'”
The BRF does not support them in this decision so why lie about it?
“The BRF does not support them in this decision so why lie about it?”
That’s what I was thinking too. No one is happy here — that much is clear from both sides.
About the pictures though: if you look it’s only pictures of past (her dad) or futur monarchs and their spouses. There are lots of shades thrown in that family for sure, but those pics aren’t one.
I agree.
I just figured that they would have given the Queen a heads-up, if for no other reason than she and Harry always appeared to have had a decent relationship in the past (this could just be my imagination, of course), she is the ‘head of the family’ and heck, she is his gran too.
Of course, if they did tell her I am guessing she didn’t react well, but who knows? It’s all speculation at this point, and TBH I’m happy that they’ve chosen to step away…after everything that Meghan has had to go through they deserve to find some peace and happiness away from that madness.
Harry tried to set up a meeting with Her Maj, and was rebuffed.
She told him to go through Charles, Charles told him to go through her… and basically ghosted him while Harry was BEGGING for a meeting.
Then someone decided to throw in the hand grenade of leaking to The Sun and Harry knew that he had no choice but to get ahead of the smear campaign.
He didn’t set out with the mindset to “publish and be damned” – his hand was forced. He clearly attempted to go through the proper channels on this and his own toxic family screwed him over, yet again. Because they want to hang on to their scapegoat.
What’s disrespectful is the way Meghan has been treated for 3 years without a peep from her but her rushing to protect and support her pedo son.
+1
Exactly. If anyone has the right to be “deeply disappointed” it’s Harry and Meghan.
It sounds to me like they both really looked at the situation with clear eyes, and said no more. And I admire the hell out of both of them for doing so.
AAAAALLLL OF THIS.
+1
I believe the Queen and Charles knew. Harry/Meghan had nothing scheduled on the books. That would’ve raised concerns unless they knew. The British Media has dirt on the RF..ie Rose. I found it strange to see yet another pic of Rose today in the Daily Fail. Sort of a reminder of what they know. Regardless it’s the British Media that is outrage because there millions of clicks and abuse of Meghan just disappeared in a matter of seconds. The Sussex hit them in the pocket. Not to mention selectively decided they would not take the abuse and play the game. Watching American news I find it interesting when the American anchor ask why are they leaving the Royal Reporter usual states something like they could handle the pressures of Royal Life, never the full truth. That leads me to believe that they know exactly the abuse they applied to Meghan and are shame to admit it outside of the UK. Regardless my advice to Harry and Meghan would be to lay low. Pack their bags, Archie and get the hell out of the UK. Those people are RABID and out of control.
Hello magazine also did a piece about Kate’s friend Rose. La La Land.
Agreed, Myra. The reaction from the BRP is all
About $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Harry’s been in a fishbowl for years that he hates, and his brother messed hard with his happiness with Megan out of jealousy. Harry is down to earth and likable. William is not. Now William, Kate, and Rose Hanbury get to be the focus, and Andrew, too, because $$$$$.
The tabs will keep writing about them and I’m sure the coverage will be fabricated nonsense to keep the clicks coming.
I heard a piece on the BBC this morning that it is very hard for American women to fit into British society because they are expected to be more British than the British. That was never going to work for Meghan. They should have made this decision from the get go.
The Queen, Charles and William all knew what was happening. The Queen and Charles like to bury their heads in the sand and pretend not to know what is happening. They keep a distance from messy situations so they can appear blameless.
Charles in particular needs to keep his distance especially since William’s infidelity is mixed in all this, and it could all boomerang back to hit Charles, whose image has been improving.
Then Queenie should have kept the other senior royals from blabbing to the Press.
There is a very interesting sentence in one of the recent Daily Mail articles about Harry contacting, and trying to schedule a meeting with, the Queen at Sandringham upon their return to the US but that it was “blocked” by the courtiers.
The Queen had all the warning she deserved.
The meeting was blocked because she wanted him to talk to Charles first. This impacts Charles’ reign more than it will hers and so all details should really be worked out through him. Charles felt that it was very complicated and would need some more thought when they first proposed the idea and then didn’t try to meet with him at all when they got back.
It’s interesting because Charles had a similar plan to the Sussexes a while ago. He wanted to give up the Sovereign Grant entirely and stop paying tax on the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster instead. So, all their money would be privately earned, but not taxed. He was told no. The government didn’t want to lose control over the monarchy. I don’t think the government is going to allow Harry and Meghan to be any kind of working Royal unless they have control over them.
Charles was trying to pull a fast one and get billions in property transferred to him privately. The government may be in chaos, but at least they weren’t stupid enough to fall for that.
This change has been coming for months, the SussexRoyal page shows months of thought and prep. If the two ostriches in charge thought blocking meetings would make this go away? If they though petulant William wasn’t going to leak via Wooten to try to make this look like his decision to thrown them out? The Windsors are as stupid as generally portrayed.
Exactly Nota, “ostrich” is the perfect term for them. How long have they known about Pedo and his mess? Which conveniently is no longer even in the memory of the press. Lucky for them. Watch him pop back into the picture any minute. So all this hand wringing and incandescent rage be damned, if they are mad at anyone it should be William. He’s the one who launched the grenade.
Totally agree. They could have/should have done this anyway, but without it being handled so brutally. They’ve gone out of their way to isolate & now they’re Edward & Wallis.
Handled brutally by whom? The queen and Chucky don’t have their act together period.
I am deeply disappointed she chose to protect a pedophile son rather than protect a young, pregnant woman from toxic, racist, misogynistic press.
Drop the mic.
No further comments needed!
Yes absolutely to this. I don’t think the BRF understands that they come across now as the shadiest and most toxic of freeloader oligarchs. Every move they make now cements that impression.
Yes exactly Pineapple! Came here to say the same thing.
“A senior royal source said the Queen and her family were ‘deeply disappointed’. Another said the royals were ‘shocked, saddened and downright furious’” – this is what should have been said about Andrew! How out of touch and stupid are these courtiers anyway?
Despite my politics I’ve always loved the british royal family but their behaviour since Meghan joined completely changed that. I hope the whole institution goes at this point.
Also a big f u to all the commenters worrying about their titles/frogmore but said *nothing* about the money Andrew spent on renovating his place?! Do you not know you’re racist or you don’t care?
Love the boundary setting that Harry and Meghan are doing to protect their family, what a great way to start 2020!
“Do you not know you’re racist or you don’t care?”
I think they honestly believe their racist, worthless nitpicking to be fair.
Yep! The Queen is trash with trash judgment. Why should they continue to kowtow to her?
WORD UP.
This is all hearsay, one person told another person she said it, and now it has become a fact. We do know that negotiations are under way and therefore the Queen was not kept in the dark.
Well maybe she can go play “Cry me a river” on that solid gold piano she has.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 l can’t stop laughing!
Man some of the responses to this post are just pure genius lol. Zapp is on FIRE today!
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Chuurs, that was amazing. 👍😁
LMAO
Zapp is on a roll today! Love it!
Sick of hearing about her only when she is “disappointed” about Harry and Meghan but never about prince Andrew and others members of her deranged family.
I’m done w the royal family.
It is clear They are colluding with British media to abuse Harry and Meghan.
It is inhuman to do that even coming from.
So Disgusted .
Good luck to Harry and Meghan will follow what they do.
But did she really say that? This is all coming from RRs and their ‘sources’.
Agree +1000 on this. They know they are now shut out of anything official from the Sussexes from now on and the Sussexes let their followers know the RR are shut out so do not believe anything they print.
The British RF and media (along with their racist and bigoted supporters) really have no shame. I’m so glad Harry and Megan have chosen their own way of doing this and I hope they’re standing strong and firm against the ridiculously overblown flak they’re getting for choosing to live their own lives free from the vipers they’ve been surrounded by for the past 3 years! Enough is enough!
And we’re deeply disappointed you continued to stand with sleezy ass son Lizzie. I guess we’ll just have to be disappointed.
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I think most of the family knew what their plans were. How else did The Sun get knowledge of this yesterday? What surprised them was Harry & Meghan breaking the news without consulting them first & working out the details.
Yes, they were surprised at the announcement, not at the decision to step back from being senior royals and instead be minor working royals. And I think that it’s more the courtiers who are so pissy about not being in the loop and not being able to leak things and spin things to make themselves look great.
Their statements (the courtiers and “sources”) are so hypocritical. In the same statement they claim that everyone was treating the Sussexes so well, giving them everything they ever wanted (notice how it’s all stuff though, not emotional connections or support), claiming that people bent over backwards to accommodate them; and yet they also claim that they’re furious and super disappointed and throw all kinds of shade at the Sussexes. This is what the Sussexes are talking about! This is the exact behavior they’re trying to get away from. The reaction from the various palaces is just more evidence of how poorly they’ve been treated.
Notice how these sorts of articles always include a shady statement about how the Sussexes are going against their own personal staff’s recommendations? They tried to spin this same drama between Sussexes and their team around the documentary as well. I think Sussex team is behind them and not leaking anything. This is the men in grey.
I am so happy for them! This woman has been dragged through the mud for no reason other than being half black. I’m glad they’re leaving to do what’s best for their family unit. Wishing Meghan and Harry the best!
Absolutely! Remember at the wedding how chatty and friendly Prince Philip and Camilla were with Doria and Meghan? Even the first 3-4 events where Meghan attended (usually sitting next to one another), she was smiling so was the queen and they were chatty. Sooo what happened? Harry and Meghan became popular and certainly worked harder than Will and Kate and Will lost it. I also believe that initially Harry and Meghan kept Philip and the queen in the loop. However, when mature adults are told they cant make their own decisions of deviate from the script I think H and M said, no. If you are constantly criticized then do what is best for you.
I also think BP and CH were told by William that if they wanted him to continue everyone needed to do what he wanted concerning keeping Sussexes where he wanted them. I truly think the family’s behavior all comes down to Team William. Queen and Charles are going to do anything it takes to ensure the Monarchy continues, so what William wanted William got.
I know this from personal experience. If someone makes an announcement without telling anyone, it’s because they people they didn’t tell are the problem. The problems have been discussed, the RF didn’t move, so they have to. We’re talking about an establishment who couldn’t harness the good work H & M are doing to make everyone look good and issue a few statements to the press to reiterate support for Megan. So easy, and they chose not to do it, so, this is what you get.
Totally agree. Harry has most likely been having “private discussions” with the Queen and Charles about the situation. But obviously it’s all fallen on deaf ears. Guess the expectation was that H&M were to shut up and just take the abuse cause of receiving “taxpayer funds.” H&M didn’t see it that way, and said, you know what, we’re out…done with this BS.
Folks keep talking about how will they become financially independent and what about the titles and Frogmore house, etc. IMO, at this point, H&M are just done. They want out and the BRF can keep the money, titles, houses, etc. They just want their freedom at this point.
Exactly. An issue this big was definitely on a “need to know” basis and if someone didn’t know it’s cause they purposely didn’t need to or aren’t relevant to the situation. I still think this leak sped EVERYTHING up.
Shouldn’t have leaked to the Sun then. I have no doubt that pushed up the announcement timeline.
There is some interesting writing regarding “Meg-xit” on The Atlantic’s website, FYI
I can’t believe the hashtag for this isn’t #Sussexit. I mean, please. Low hanging fruit.
Well, well, well, C. To mi ney tweeted “A penny for Carole’s thoughts right now!”
Would that be one of the sources?
Exactly. She might as well have said, “carole, call me!”
I’m sure Andrew can console mummy. He will be her rock, right?
These people.
The Queen should be disappointed in herself.
This! All her support for Andrew who is a complete ass and nothing for her own Grandson. A car ride to church smiling with the Sussex’s would have lovely for them and a show of support from her. I used to like her but watching her ignore the blatant racism against the Sussex’s I am just over her and the RF.
I think there is a difference between announcing they are leaving and debuting the new website with a detailed explanation of how they *want* it all to work as if it was decided. I was reading that Harry wanted to talk to the Queen, which her staff blocked (so that one is their bad) and then he was told to talk to Charles. Which he did not do in any detail.
Assuming that is actually true, I am totally sympathetic to their desire to get out, but if they are expecting Charles to pay their way during the transition, maybe taking this battle public is not the way to go. Or maybe they don’t care. But ultimately, what makes them marketable is the “royal” part of Sussex royal. Yes, they do have money of their own. But now I suspect it will be a much more abrupt transition than they may have envisioned.
But they’re not leaving completely. They’re transitioning from senior working royals to minor working royals. Senior working royals get sovereign grant money. Minor working royals are supported by the family, but not by the sovereign grant. They’re demoting themselves to less prestigious position, not quitting the family entirely. Like how Beatrice or Eugenie, I forget which, worked (works?) for an American company, so presumably spent a lot of time in America. She split(s) her time: making her own supplemental income, yet still being funded by her dad and the royal family, she has a royal-owned home in England and also probably an apartment in America. She has her HRH and is still part of the family and attends stuff like weddings, trooping, royal ascot, Christmas, Easter, and even has some charities she supports. She’s just not a senior working royal. Apparently there are other minor working royals who are even better, more comparable examples.
The Yorks do charity work privately, not for the Crown.
The homes at the Palace have a yearly rent that is paid by Andrew as far as we know.
Appearances at weddings and Ascot are not “official royal appearances” for the Yorks, I’m not sure about the balcony.
It sounds like they want to forego the SG money but keep the Duchy income so they lose the strings that go with RR but they keep 95% of the support and Frogmore as a ‘base’ in the UK, all while working towards financial independence i.e. creating personal wealth? Not sure where I land on that just yet.
I have a question for you Brits. What, precisely, is it that you want? You were deeply butthurt that Harry was marrying an American. You were aghast that she should be living in your country. You and your press waged a years-long libellous campaign against her to drive her out of the UK (strange considering you’re always banging on that none of you even care about the royal family and it’s only Americans who care, but that’s for another time). Now that your haranguing has come to fruition, you’re foaming at the mouth that she’s leaving, which…was your goal all along? It absolutely beggars belief. In the interest of preserving my health and sanity this is the last time I will ever click or comment on an article about YOUR royals.
Oh, they really thought he would choose his wretched, unsupportive family over the love of his life and their son.
Royal reporters like Richard Palmer let the nutjob conspiracy theorists flourish in their Twitter feeds without rebuttal. “Meghan wasn’t pregnant, Meghan’s baby was bought, the baby’s really a girl,” It’s really disgusting.
@ Starkille – the vast majority of the Brits are seriously uninterested in the goings on of the Royal Family, aren’t really bothered who Harry married and are considerably less invested in the news of them than many CB posters. We, the British public, are not the British press, and have much the same opinion of the press as you do – that they stink.
And nobody I know is foaming at the mouth.
My earlier post went, but it is interesting that for 65 years and until last year on here, the queen was the best thing since sliced bread, now she is the spawn of the devil??
I am happily surprised that almost all the comments I see under some royal “reporters” tweets are “and pedo Andrew???????”
Yeah that made my day too.
Today in Petty AF: Mme. Tussaud’s has announced, LESS THAN 24HRS AFTER THE STORY BROKE, that they are removing the H&M waxworks from the Royal Family.
The tweet:
“We’ve got to respect their wishes” :shrug: #Megxit
and posted a picture of the RF with H&M ALREADY REMOVED.
https://twitter.com/MadameTussauds/status/1215338581042122754
So that was disgusting.
#BoycottMadameTussauds is now trending. :sips tea:
I just came to say:
Pls stop reading the Daily Mail. This event is just giving them more clicks, they will churn 1000 stories out of this if we keep clicking.
I have no intention of going on DM, where they are churning out over 20 different articles. Raking it in and bleeding it dry as usual.
Yeah agreed, I occasionally looked at the DM for pictures of the family walks etc… but that site is so awful I would feel like I needed a shower. That sight is evil trash. It isn’t like we Americans don’t have our own Trumpian Clown show, but the evil directed at Harry and Meghan is next level. I will continue to follow those two, but unless Celebitchy has stories I am done with the rest of that family or giving my occasional clicks to those tabloids.
This gossip site gives clicks to The Daily Mail. That’s the part I don’t get – railing against them but giving a link to their site. Doesn’t make sense.
@Alexandria +1
@perplexed – I come to Celebitchy to read the summary of DM rubbish precisely so I do not have to give them my clicks?
This is what she disappointed over? Not andrew? Lmao. I hope harry cuts it all off and say fck you to his family.
Reading the comments here is so refreshing. Most media sources are just filled with vitriol toward Harry and Meghan.
So a departure from ‘The Firm’ causes deep disappointment, but hanging around with wealthy pedophiles doesnt. So speaketh the head of the Church of England.
The level of deceit. That’s some royal rich shit right there. That crusty family planted it. They watered it. They watched it grow, and then they harvested. Now they bitch and moan because they have to eat it? Are they ever NOT complaining?
Thanks for the laugh. Love your take on it.
And Charles is an organic gardener and farmer! He should know all about using shit for fertilizer and reaping what he sows – and what happens to the vegetable patch when you let an insidious, twining weed grow amok.
Honestly, I love it. It is so American- in the best way. No she will not be taking anymore abuse from the British and she will be declaring her independence and take the prince with her. 👋BYE.
It isn’t though. They are the epitome of spoilt privilege, they are no different from the rest of the royals. They are so ‘woke’ and yet they want to keep titles and wealth directly derived from oppression and subjugation. And they complain about lack of financial independence when he has a trust fund of £30million. What would be amazing and brave would be to give up the titles and all royal funding and make their own way in the world without those trappings. Anything else is just pathetic and no better than the rest sadly.
Grumpy I completely agree with you. Still taking money which is contributing to their drive for independence. They seem to be trying to have it both ways. This almost makes them worse than the rest of them
No reason to give up the titles, but tumblr types love that idea. Beatrice and Eugenie have royal titles and HRH. They are private citizens who have jobs, but they still have their titles.
Harry and Meghan are looking at stepping back, working for The Queen and Charles, but not funding that work themselves. Similar to the arrangement of Princess Madeleine in Sweden. When she does work for the Crown, her expenses are paid by taxpayers. Otherwise, she lives her live in Florida, supported by her husband, and works her job at the World Childhood Foundation. Her brother and his wife have also stated recently they’re looking at moving out of Sweden too.
Harry and Meghan have recently hired in some high-quality staff, staff who appear to want to stay with them. They want to transition to being independent, without costing those staff their jobs. Duke of Kent is a minor royal and has taxpayer-funded staff. Duke and Duchess of Gloucester are minor royals and have taxpayer-funded staff. They have taxpayer-funded housing and titles too.
You only protest when it is Harry and Meghan looking at the same arrangement. Obvious.
I love how the storyline in the British media is all “How DARE they take their ball and go home when we weren’t done being racist assholes yet!!”. And the same goes for the Queen and the Palace and the rest of the family.
The message that Harry and Meghan were not going to get ANY support was loud and clear to everyone who was looking so this move is really just a logical consequence.
I buy that the Queen is disappointed but actually more because she’s of the opinion that things like public opinion shouldn’t matter – she’s just from a completely different generation and with the history of abdication in her family of course she would never be thrilled about one of her grandchildren essentially abandoning what she sees as a duty.
I think Harry is an emotional guy. He has a lot of feelings and has had to stifle them and hold back his tears his whole life. His mom died, and any warmth and love that he had was gone. Meghan showed him warmth and love and Harry began to see his family for the cold rocks that they are, and worse, they showed no love for Meghan, and likely Archie. He wants nothing to do with them. He doesn’t want to bow to his asshole brother anymore. Burn it all down! He doesn’t care. They’ll figure it out. They have some very powerful friends and always have a soft place to land…
I also really, really believe that information has come to light in their legal case that proves someone in his family (William or Charles probably) was responsible for leaks to the press or harassment of Meghan and that was the last straw for Harry. It’s one thing to think something but another to have clear evidence of it, and I believe that’s what happened. It might also explain why the family never offered any public support because they knew the press would turn around and show them to be the leakers. I think we’ll get lots more details soon.
And not sure why William would be livid since he’s wanted his family to “take back the spotlight” and exile the Sussexes to Africa…so now he’s angry he actually getting what he wants?!
This connection to their court case is what I thought of when this dropped yesterday as well. Perhaps now they have all the proof they need regarding the leaker(s) and they know it will never stop.
Cross fingers for a large payout from the DM, which would help them towards their goal of financial independence.
The evening standard has an article from Jobson on how it went down.
Seems like a lot of discussions have been happening with the Queen, Charles although seems like courtiers have been blocking further discussions. Apparently BP knew they wanted to make this announcement but said no, not yet. I have a feeling Sussexes were concerned any announcement BP made would throw them under a bus again.
I wonder if the courtiers leaked the plans to the Sun to derail it all& that’s why Sussexes rushed to announce. This could have been cleaner- just a shame so much leaking& lack of trust. Will be interesting how the palace reacts. P Morgan is calling for them to be fired (essentially abusers want them to stay and take it but if they leave the abusers want it on their terms) and stripped off their titles.
Andrew has kept his title& at the time he stepped down, it was suggested room would be open for him to return, the palace should tread carefully. But they aren’t smart so they will surely stuff up further reactions lol.
In some ways Harry is taking off where his mother left. Diana was involved in an interracial relationship before that fatal night trying to escape…the press. Harry and Meghan need to get out of the U.K. ASAP. The Brits are RABID and out of control and it all makes for something bad could happen. I wish them the best. I will never look at the Brits in the same light again. Fool me once but not twice…
Yes, except- it’s the British tabloid press, not the people of Great Britain. (Come on guys, they’re our allies against Putin, and the worldwide right-wing conspiracy he’s launched.) But the rest of your comment is great.
We got a whole ass statement in hours about this from the queen but where’s the disappointment statement over Andrew’s bullshit?
I never really had a whole lot of respect for queen and company but this is straight garbage.
Old lady has the strength to be disappointed about two grown adults speaking in their own behalf but can’t be assed to condemn sex trafficking?
This is likely the crux of why H&M have proceeded the way they have.
I think Diana would 100% support this. She would be sad that Will turned out to be a jerk, but pleased that Harry married a smart, strong, independent and beautiful woman who loves him very much. Diana had her issues but she knew a thing or two about not being supported by The Firm. Smart man, that Harry. He is her son, and Will is The Firm’s.
I think she would too.
It’s really sad that the brothers, who went through so much together and are the only 2 in the world who know what all that is like to experience, didn’t stay bonded and friends. But William made his choices, and now Harry has made his.
I don’t think she would. She wanted her sons to be the King and Spare. Her interview with Bashir indicated what she wanted for her sons. She wanted her independence, but she still wanted her sons to rule over the rest of the royals.
She also knew what it was like to be betrayed by a sibling, to not have that support at crucial moments in her life. That new-found knowledge about how her family would throw her under the bus after separation or divorce? That all came after the Bashir interview.
The list of things they’ve done for Meg and Harry then saying what more do they want? Reminds me so much of the toxic people I removed from my life in my early 20s. I’ve been rest nice to you so I don’t know what you’re talking about.’ when in reality she bad-mouthed me to anyone who would listen even in front of me, never asked about my life only talked about herself as if j was her audience and thought that was being ‘really nice.’
They have no self awareness and that list they made are basic things they do for every family member right? What more do they want? Not to be bad-mouthed constantly in the press, let’s start there
I’ll always remember Harry, so young, walking his dead mother’s cortège, looking broken.
Utterly and completely broken.
Anyone who saw that has to know that he’d never willingly allow his wife to be attacked in the media the way his mother was attacked prior to her death.
The Queen had to know this.
I’ve always greatly respected the Queen for her wartime efforts, and for her unwavering dedication to Britain; but her willingness to throw H&M under the bus in the wake of Diana’s death have changed that.
Harry has suffered enough for several lifetimes because of the tabloids media.
Demanding that he “take one for the Firm” in a manner similar to his mother is too far.
Harry did warn everyone, twice. So it’s not his fault they didn’t listen.
Man, I love reading all of the different little takes on this situation. This is a good one, Bunny.
This is the best episode of Suits ever. Ever.
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This actually makes me want to and watch suits! I think I will do that! And I’m prob not the only one. Get that bumped up residual check Megan!
The idea that the queen was blindsided is absurd. Didn’t we just see the picture of the four generations heirs to the throne? Hasn’t Charles been communicating a pared down monarchy for years? Is Harry supposed to sit on his hands just in case something happens to Charles, Normal Bill, George, Charlotte and Louis? All the spares start finding a life of their own at some point. The Queen’s own father was the spare. Surely she understands the kind of life she could’ve had if her uncle wasn’t a Nazi sympathizer. William may be throwing a fit because Harry is getting the life he wanted. Pedo Andy is tarnishing the brand, and yet he’s still there next to the queen at church. All the British royal reporters have had their knives out since Harry married an American biracial woman. They’ve been wanting Harry and Meghan pushed out from the beginning. Well, now they are throwing a fit because they’re starting their exit.
Good summary. You may wish to add that now they have been pushed out of the U.K. the agenda will be to try to break the marriage.
I believe that was the plan from the beginning. They do not want him married to an American WOC. They wanted to bully her out of the family. And then they will get their Harry back and he would remarry a proper English Rose. What they didn’t count on was Harry’s love for his wife and their family. So they are shocked he chose her over them. And they are livid! And they will try even harder now to break the marriage.
@prettykrazee. Yep. The pregnancy was the beginning of the end and the knives came out.
Yes. They want the marriage broken. They will probably cutoff all financing.
the royal family was most likely pissed that they couldn’t write their own narrative about Harry and Meghan’s decision. They would have probably spin it like h&m’s were being punished or pushed out but Harry & Meghan were two steps in front of them.
Media can try to make this all about evil materialistic Megan. It’s really all about Archie. Harry is picking his son. Not his wife or the RF. He saw how the media treated his bi-racial wife and how he was treated as a child so he KNOWS what life will be like for his son. So he has no choice but to GTFO.
Seems like they’re leaving a toxic, abusive relationship. The abuser(s) are never pleased when Power & Control are taken away. Well played.
This is now the second time that TQ has used “I didn’t know” as a defense, the first after the Andrew interview that took place in her living room. The fact that she’s allowing the narrative to be that she’s grossly incompetent and “doesn’t know” what people are doing and therefore has no control over her own family is strange, but it doesn’t distract from the truth which is she allowed Andrew to do what he wanted and has for decades covered for him, but wouldn’t lift a finger to protect the first woman of color in her family from vicious racism. History will not look kindly on her for this. After the stain of colonization, and knowing how conflicted many in the Commonwealth feel about The Firm, I do not believe she has made the right choice by not supporting them. I wish Harry and Meghan the best. It will not be easy but peace of mind is worth it.
@LC Interesting observation.
Be deeply disappointed in your golden child Andrew, Elizabeth! Harry not telling her tells me everything I need to know. This family is toxic and she’s at the head.
All those “Elizabeth in private” comments I have ever read, about her liking a good joke or being mischievous or sporty or really clever… I never saw her called kind, compassionate, wise.
The RF let Meghan be brutalized on the world level for two years. That is unacceptable! They are not going to let it go on! No matter what MM does, everyone thinks she’s evil and horrible. I hope they ride off into the sunset and live happily together! Love wins!
I am currently reading “White Fragility” by Robin Deangelo for a work assignment. This book is about how defensive white people become when discussing issues of race and diversity. While racism is one of many undercurrents rushing through this narrative, it’s amazing how the responses of the RF (at least as reported, since we haven’t actually heard from any of them firsthand), the Courtiers, and the RR sure sound A LOT like what’s described as White Fragility within the book. This sense of false victim hood, blaming the real victim(s), virtue signaling, “We’ve done all we can to help and look how they repay us” — these all reek of White Fragility. I am white, and while I will never fully understand the struggle of a POC in today’s world, it’s almost scary to see that struggle and the response of the powerful so clearly through my own lens.
I really don’t blame them and I don’t have any problem with the fact that they didn’t alert anyone, if that is in fact true. However, I also have a real problem with ‘double dipping’. If they are going on their own, then they need to truly go at it on their own (obviously, they do require security because there are crazy people everywhere, but hey, pay for it yourself). They both have money. He has Diana’s money, she has some too. Charles will still give them some dough, I always got the feeling that he really got along well with Meghan. They can make a ton of money on the speaker circuit and still do all the charity work they desire. But, sorry kids, drop the royal titles, like Zara and Peter and remove yourselves from that circle and truly go at it on your own. You may not be able to wear Givenchy to every event, but everything will still be fine. You can’t have your cake and eat it too and gain any respect from anyone.
The title is Harry’s birthright, he should not have to drop it to appease a bunch of racists. Peter and Zara do not have titles because that is their mother’s choice, just like for Archie. Harry is the son of the future king, hence he is a prince.
oh ok, gotcha. I didn’t know all that. Thanks for clarifying!
but how “disappointed” were you when a radio host portrayed newborn baby Archie as a monkey??
I’m sure that the Queen is devastated. She’s 93, her husband is fading away, her favourite son is an accused sex offender. Now two of the people who were worth ANYTHING in her enormous toxic family are breaking away.
I hope the Queen blames herself for this mess because she could have put a stop to it with a drop of her handbag. All she had to do was send out the message that enough was ENOUGH. But how is a wealthy, WHITE woman who has been royalty all of her life to understand what it’s like to be the victim of racism. How could she understand the daily abuse and insult that every Black man, and especially woman has to face. Harry probably had no idea himself until the day after he announced he was dating Megan. The shock when he realized that all of his wealth and privilege weren’t enough to protect his woman and his baby from the evil of racism must have been overwhelming. But his grandmother, the QUEEN OF ENGLAND, could have protected them, the way she protected her son who raped young girls. But his grandmother, the Queen of England, DID NOTHING.
Well put, Kerwood. That family is trash. I’m glad Harry, Meghan and Archie took this step.
She has a choice. She can change her will and leave a large sum of money to Harry and Archie. She won’t do that of course, but she is free to leave her private wealth to whomever she chooses.
This family would make a great reality show. I wonder what the conversations are like behind closed doors…so juicy.
Anyways, maybe it’s time this whole family becomes “financially independent”…I mean that’s what they’re really worried about anyways isn’t it?
Anyone else feel like Olivia Colman does a great “disappointed” QEII face? That’s who I see when I read anything about the Queen now.
I’m probably alone in this, but I feel sorry for Charles. He had to take over the parenting of the boys after they lost their mother. And I do believe he did his level best to be a single parent. And now he probably feels like he is losing a son. And seeing the rift between his sons must be making him deeply unhappy.
Just my opinion, I have two boys roughly the same ages as William and Harry, who also lost their Dad when they were young, and it would tear me apart if they were estranged.
Losing a son – or throwing him and his bride under the wheels of a great big double decker bus?
@Maria, You’re not alone. I’ve always liked Charles. I think he got a raw deal with Diana because she knew how to use the media better than he did. And I think that he probably indulged both boys but especially William out of guilt and shame over what happened with their mother. He probably wanted to be a good parent, but look at what he had for examples.
But I’m very disappointed that he didn’t do more to protect Harry and Megan. I have no doubt that he likes Megan. He probably showed support privately, telling them to keep their chins up and all that shit. But he, like too many of the Royal family, refused to see that times have changed. The ‘stiff upper lip’ bullshit is passed. If people don’t SEE support, it’s easy for them to believe (especially if they want to believe it) that there is no support.
Charles might be sad and hurt and angry but I hope he has enough self-awareness to realize that he brought it on himself. If his family is falling apart, a lot of it is on him.
You’re not alone, I’m always rooting for Charles.
Charles chose to protect William in the press and not protect Harry. He didn’t renegotiate the press code when Harry didn’t go to Uni, throwing him to the wolves at 17 while William was protected until 22. He only punished Harry for the costume party event, when William picked out the costume and himself went as a Zulu warrior. Charles has chosen heir vs. spare for years, but it hasn’t been as obvious until recently. He could have chosen to work publicly with Meghan on a project, like his copycat fashion one, but he didn’t.
“…and had the backing of their family…”
If by that you mean “backing the bus over them again and again,” then sure, the RF backed the hell outta them…
I am really sad that it has come to this. I was hoping both sides would take some time to reflect on the issue and talk about how they could work better together (a phrase Harry and Meghan often use). I definitely see Harry and Meghan’s side of things and the Monarchy really failed to help both Harry and Meghan deal with the onslaught their popularity brought. It seems they were just concerned with their bruised egos. But there are always three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. I hope cooler heads will prevail and they can work out an arrangement that works for all. I started following the royal family because of Diana. The fact that Harry is the same age as Diana was when she started negotiating her out from the royal family gives me chills. Harry and Meghan have the same star power as Diana and the Monarchy doesn’t want distractions.
Tinfoil hat
the courtiers were only delaying the conversation with the queen to secretly give William time to come up with a counterstrike. So they leak to William first and he is aware of their plans and decides to leak what pieces of the story he can interpret. Talking with Charles was not an issue because he is firmly entrenched in the Cambridges corner. The only voice of reason is granny and her courtiers did not want her to be swayed by Archie’s dad. It is in fact not the queen that is disappointed but her courtiers.
This is not a family, it is a business run on a strict hierarchical chain of command. Poor Harry never had a true sense of warmth of a family. No wonder he only talks fondly of his mother. His grandparents are too feeble now to have much influence. I fear the queen is only the queen in name only and Someone else is pulling the strings.
Just putting this question out there, but I wonder how much of this internal through the roof drama is as a result of the decline of Phillip,,,,meaning, if he was the one that ran the household and parented and managed all of the many egos, how much of this can be traced to the familial gatekeeper fading away. The queen is clearly shit at it so maybe that explains the debacle of the last 2-3 years….
@NIK It’s definitely an interesting question.
Phillip was right there for 1992. Hearing him described as sort of the family diplomat is hilarious knowing his temperament.
I’m deeply disappointed she’s protected her predator son and couldn’t find it in her to condemn the racist attacks on her beloved grandson’s wife and child. F*ck her disappointment.
This is about controlling Harry because of what he KNOWS. He knows how his mum was treated by his father and the royal family. He witnessed it. He knows things Andrew has said and talked about doing – he heard it. He knows what Bill has done in the past (in regard to cheating and such). The royal family want to keep any of this from coming out, and now they can’t.
Tom Bradby had interesting take on ITV news. He said there had been a fallout around the wedding and many harsh words said so things had been difficult.
Sussexes have felt they’ve been essentially exiled (chimes with infamous Tim Shipman piece) and said around the 6 week break it had been made clear to them that slimmed down monarchy wouldn’t include them so they went to Queen, Charles etc and were told to draw up a plan for their future. They didn’t want to write plan down fearing leaks but did anyway. That of course leaked to the Sun. So he said the Firm knew of their plans.
There was never any plan to slim down the monarchy to exclude Harry and spouse. The slimming down has only ever been to exclude lower-down nieces and nephews of Charles (Zara, Peter, Louise, James). Originally, Beatrice and Eugenie were supposed to be working royals. Charles saw that wasn’t going to work, mostly to spite his brother Andrew. The slimdown became his line in this generation (William, Harry, and spouses), then the heir line only in the next (W&K’s kids but not Harry’s kids).
The Queen didn’t hand them the Presidency and Vice-Presidency of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust while plotting to throw them out. She didn’t hand Meghan the National Theatre patronage a year ago while plotting to throw them out. Nice try though.
Intrigued by all this BUT Harry & Meg should just move, give up their fancy Brit manse, money from both the Queen’s Purse AND Charles’ duchy, paid-for security and travel, etc. and go away. I’ll give them a tent and Coleman lamp.
They interpreted the pictures on the table as them being cut out.
Unless it turns out Harry is peado too he would have been on track to be part of it.
The need to leave now.
Ps there was a fallout around the wedding yet harry looked happy with everyone ? Charles walked her down the aisle.