As the beginning of 2019, I predicted that the Duchess of Cambridge would announce a fourth pregnancy. I was wrong! I thought that Kate would be especially baby-crazy following Meghan’s pregnancy and the birth of Archie. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn’t. But we can surmise that Kate probably does want a fourth kid. She was the one pushing for a third child, while William was reportedly fine with just staying with two, George and Charlotte. But Kate pushed and she got what she wanted: Prince Louis. I figured that it would be the same last year, and that William might actually be keen on having a fourth just to put a bow on his wholesome family-man image, plus it would change the subject from all of the rose-trimming. But alas, no pregnancy announcement came. In William and Kate’s first events of 2020, Kate did make a reference to how William still doesn’t want another kid:
Kate Middleton and Prince William‘s family is complete! After meeting with leaders from various different faith and community groups at Khidmat Centre in Bradford, Yorkshire on Wednesday, Kate, 38, chatted with the crowd and revealed that William, 37, doesn’t want any more kids.
While chatting with royal fan Josh Macpalce, who excitedly told the duchess that he has sent cards congratulating her after each of her three children were born, she revealed that it is unlikely she will become a mom of four in the future.
“I don’t think William wants any more,” Kate told the 25-year-old as she and William stepped out for their first outing since news broke that Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will be stepping back as senior members of the royal family.
Macplace, who is autistic and has DiGeorge syndrome, which is caused by the deletion of a small segment of chromosome 22, held out his arms to Kate, who bent down and gave him a hug. “Thank you for the hug,” she told him.
What’s up with William? Doesn’t he realize that if he and Kate have another, it’s a great deflection from rose bushes? The sycophantic British press would actually frame it as “William and Kate reconnect after a difficult year.” Just goes to show that William’s PR instincts are crap! I’m being crazy cynical, I know. To be fair, I think on William’s side, having a fourth kid would be a cynical PR move. On Kate’s side, I think she just wants a fourth kid. She just wants to keep having babies. I’ve said this before, but I think it’s true: she loves children and is happiest when she has a baby in the house. Lou is coming up on two years old! She needs that new-baby fix.
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LOL at the third picture. It looks as she’s about to slap him
He needs a good wack.
Lol I like the backhand picture too. Especially because she looks so happy haha.
Really? To me, she seems to be looking at him with those goo goo eyes she is fond of giving him. The — my William can crap on his brother, make war on SIL, and not bother with his new nephew — but I’m so proud of his ability to breath and stand next to me for a few minutes — look. Also, wouldn’t a wife know DEFINITELY whether husband wanted a fourth child or not. I took her statement here as her throwing the gauntlet down in public to William that she wants another child and she is going to keep the pressure on him
Heavens forbid it! I don’t think the situation she is recalls romantic diapers. No, seriously, if the couple has problems, having babies is a very risky solution. And, as she made plain several weeks ago, they have issues.
I was thinking she was gonna backhand him one! Hahaha! “On accident”
Interesting choice of wording there. I’d have thought they’d be keen to present the perfect united front.
yes agreed. this is her way of publicly admonishing him I think.
deliberately worded this way. its a bit passive aggressive.
i bet she will get her way and get her 4th bc he needs her to be happy and fully team RF
I would love a 3rd and my hub just got a vasec and Im sad. If I were interviewed and put him on blast prior it would be to manipulate him and public opinion in my favor
Yes, I think Kate was making a point, and it is not the first time she has said that in public.
“I don’t think he wants anymore”??
You’re married to him, honey. Don’t you know?
Right? Have they not discussed this?
The phrasing though makes it sound to me like the door is definitely still open for a fourth. If they had decided they were done, I don’t think she would have put it all on William like that. So yeah, Kate def wants a fourth.
You’re reading too much into it. She means he doesn’t want any more. They’ve discussed it. She phrased it like that to make the statement less of a thud. Gentle word padding around the truth.
This. My tolerance for Willnot and Kate is low, but you know they’ve discussed this endlessly.
Exactly. Everyone couches phrases that way.. “I think”. Sounds gentler.
Agreed, I believe this is just a polite way of expressing that information. In interviews with posh Brits, you’ll find lots of polite padding phrases like, “sort of,” “perhaps” and “nearly.” It aligns with the self-deprecating humor, passive aggression and humble-bragging common in the culture.
To me that comment reads that she wants another one, has raised it with him and he’s said no but she is working on him to change his mind. Either that given how sour he’s been looking this is her passive aggressive way to raising it with him – she’s put it out there that there could be a 4th Cambridge child so that the press will pick it up and run with it.
Eh, not necessarily. I really, really want 3 kids. My husband probably only wants 2. That’s fine, because the person who wants fewer humans to support should win that argument. But, saying “he doesn’t want a 3rd/4th/5th/whatever” isn’t necessarily a way to manipulate, it can just be stating the truth. We all know she’s baby crazy (no shade, I am too), so I don’t think anyone would buy her saying SHE didn’t want more.
You never know. I remember they took their time getting around to meeting baby Archie, but I also seem to remember she took her time getting around to meeting Pippa’s baby too. So, as we get closer to the possibility that Meghan and Poppa would be considering babies number 2, we will see what Kate does.
You cannot be champions of climate action and keep producing children that will have a huge carbon footprint. If we are going to solve the climate crisis everyone has to make sacrifices, even the BRF.
She could have said “we are happy with three kids” but she didn’t because playing these baby or no baby games works for her.
Babies are not bandaids or collectibles. I wouldn’t be eager to bring another baby into that situation either. Get a puppy or something Kate.
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I was just thinking about Lupo! Poor pup, they just used him for PR #savelupo
Standing ovation for so good comment. If more people observed this common sense we would have less unhappy children in this world.
Well for me she made it clear she wants another kid but won’t have it because of William. 4 Kids is a bunch so for William to be a father of 4 just because of the pr is a stretch too far. I get him.
I am convinced she was coached to say this at an opportune moment, because lets face it everyone has been speculating about it.
Also notice how she puts the decision firmly at Bill’s feet, just enough so the baying masses can start chanting ‘one more baby Kate to push Harry firmly out of the way’. It’s already started and Kate just fed it.
It was odd. I mean, did Josh specifically asked her about having another kid. He just said he sent a card when the other three arrived. If I wanted to analyze it more this story read like Josh did ask her flat out if they were having another kid and if so, that is not cool press. Not cool.
People have been saying for months on here that William really only wanted two. So I’m not surprised to hear he’s not too eager about having a 4th kid
He even publicly said (more than once) that two was enough for him. Hope Louis doesn’t see that when he’s older.
She DID manage to get Louis after William’s adventures in Switzerland. Maybe she’s waiting for another transgression (on top of Rose) to push for a fourth kid.
Rubbing the roses’ bushes in Kate’s face was the worse he could do to her. And I think that walk to the church “among friends” was the public acceptance that she is and she will always be part of the group.
One commentator here observed, very sharply, that Carole and Kate were not smiling widely like always.
I do think she’ll have a fourth eventually because old girl loves a royal cosplay. She’s was either having two like Diana or 4 like queenie.
I have the same thoughts on the cosplaying, she and Mother take the dynastic cosplay so seriously so people can point out how dedicated she is like the Queen balancing duty and motherhood etc. and that she’s the next golden Elizabethan age continuing the Queen’s legacy. Gosh Camilla must be laughing with her glass of wine sometimes.
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Not everything she does has to be about replicating Diana or the Queen. She might have wanted three children because she grew up feeling safe and loved with her parents and two siblings. Maybe all this talk about William and Harry’s relationship repeating itself with George and Louis will be wrong, and instead, George and Louis’s relationship will mirror Kate and Pippa
It’s actually pretty common that people (un)consciously want the same amount of children as in the family grew up with.
An old room mate of mine had a teacher at uni who talked about this and even did a little experiment where he asked the students how many children they’d like in the future and then asked how many children in their family unit when they grew up. Most of the time, those numbers matched – and that surprised them a lot. Of course, my room mate started joking that she’d better get started because she has 4 full-siblings and 5 half-siblings. 😉
That’s interesting that people end up wanting the same number of children they grew up in. I know a bizarre number of people who have two siblings (myself included), and not a one of them is on board for three. I think it’s the worst number of kids to have, and you’re better off making the jump to four.
I don’t plan on having any kids at all, but I know that I would never have three. And I don’t think that most of the people I’ve spoken to had terrible childhoods, but the dynamics with three kids can get very complicated.
At Arthistorian — but doesn’t it sound like Kate wants a fourth child, and William does not? If so, then neither Kate nor William want the same number of kids as their own childhoods. There were three kids in Kate’s home, yet she wants four. There were two kids in William’s home, but he wanted (or was “ok” with) three kids. I do not think there is any correlation in *this* situation.
@insertpunhere I’m the middle of three and I want three! Not sure if I’ll have the third (I have 2) but I think three is nice. It is hard for the parents I think. My sister has three and my brother has four ( he would have stopped with three but his wife wanted another). So I guess we are pretty consistent with that theory.
@ArtHistorian, that’s really funny, because I’m one of 2, and I always maintained that I didn’t want to have 2 kids because I had grown up in a family like that and I didn’t want to replicate it! It’s not because I had a bad experience, it’s just that I wanted to mix it up, lol. Now that I’m a bit older, I’m coming around to the idea of having 2 kids a lot more. It used to be that I wanted either 1 or 3.
Queen Elizabeth has 16 years between her oldest and youngest. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kate has one more, but my guess is that it will be 3-4 years from now.
The Queen was also 22 when she had her first, 16 years later she was Kate’s age welcoming her fourth.
If only she had the means and opportunity to, I don’t know, volunteer her time somewhere with infants? Like NICUs? My kids only had week long stints so we could be there almost all the time, but some of those longer stay kids didn’t have anyone visit them ever. Some kids shouldn’t be held for immune reasons, but some want snuggles. If only if only she had a way to do this!
I’ve read comments that when Kate visited a hospice with dying children, she was all smiles and thumb’s up. So I don’t think she can handle unfortunate environments. She needs to stick with professional athletes, famous entertainers, and pretty flower gardens. She simply doesn’t have the emotional gravitas for anything else.
I think Kate is at her best in sports related events with children. She really shines and you can tell she loves it. I wish she focused more on outings with kids organizations.
I do voluntary work in a hospice and the smiles and thumbs up are just the thing. The last thing anyone wants are tears and long faces from a celebrity visitor.
I agree 150%. She probably doesn’t know how to deal with unfortunate people, I mean, the extreme cases. Empathy or mercy isn’t something you learn our you are coached into doing it. Either you have or you don’t have. It’s painful to see when you try to pretend it; as an example, your comment is perfect.
The problem was not her smiles or thumbs up, the problem is that you can see, through the photos or videos the lack of empathy. To be cheerful or hiding your comotion in public is one thing. To be empty of conexion is other.
Watching the videos of Diana’s interaction is a totaly different matter. Her face, her eyes, the way she talks and looks, is the real deal. I’m not saying there was not a PR hand on it. I’m just saying she had the necessary empathy. Unlike the queen, Charles, Camilla, you name it.
I think that’s a great idea, Betsy. And unlike dealing with severely ill children, I think she could emotionally handle snuggling babies in a NICU for an hour a week, or even a month.
One thing I have noticed is that these two act like awkward teenagers around each other, as if still in the very early dating phase.
That contrasts quite markedly with H&M who seem at ease in each other’s company.
They act like cousins in public, frankly. It’s weird.
@Maria – I think you hit the nail on the head. My brain woke up like – Oh my God, she’s right! The accurately describes the awkwardness between them. Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day and month!
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Excellent observation! You noticed it because that’s an act, I mean, they are perfoming what they think a couple must manifest when they love each other. Someone talented for stage can do it easily; for us, normal people is hard to perform. Acting is difficult, specially if you don’t have a good director or talent.
Even with all the mess her marriage was, Diana looked… well, sweet… I don’t know the word, at Charlie.
The weird thing is that they weren’t always like this. They liked each other a lot more even a few years back. They’ve gotten much more cold towards each other recently.
She’s looking at him so lovingly and he’s not. When he answers her he’s looking elsewhere. Very interesting. (This is in regards to some photos that appeared yesterday at the engagement they were at. One of the photos from it is on this post. And it reminded me.)
I was just thinking about Lupo where is Lupo?
This is ALWAYS the case. He very, very rarely engages with her when they are out in public. It’s just odd.
The pact was probably to have the heir and the spare; the Rose blow-up got her Louis. Now she knows Will is a firm no on number four but she figures he won’t want any bad press now so she’ll put out a few public teasers to build pressure.
I’ve read several articles that indicate the affair — if it took place — was while she was pregnant with Louis! But that she didn’t find out about it until after he was born.
Yeah, the popular assumption is that his Swiss ski trip (and whatever might have happened there) was what got her Louis. That was in March 2017, and it was a big deal partially because he skipped Commonwealth Day.
He was cheating on Kate when she was pregnant with Louis, no? Unless my timelines aren’t correct here?
I always got the impression that she wanted 3 children because she grew up as one of three siblings, and she wanted to recreate that family for herself. William would have been happy with just two.
I thought he just didn’t want AFRICANS to have more babies.
Come now. It’s isn’t just Africans he doesn’t want having children, it’s anyone darker than a Twinkie.
(Although for the record, number of children born per woman drops with education and access to health care and birth control – basically the tools of self-determination – so I really applaud the groups bringing this to their countries.)
True.
I don’t think that William cared about African women’s self determination. He just wants fewer Africans. And anyone else ‘darker than Twinkie’.
Ok, that Twinkie line comment is not only funny as hell, but I think spot on. 😱
The whole line about how Africans should have less children is a pretty racist thing to say, lmao. The last I checked, Britain might have a much lower population growth rate than anywhere else in the world, but they pollute a lot more per individual than anyone in Africa. Families in Africa might have more than 2 children, but at least they’re not out here wearing polyester clothes made by fast fashion outlets and buying multiples of the exact same coat dress, just in different colours, when they have the same cut and style in their closet. William lives well beyond his means as a single PERSON than most people in Africa, and yet he sees fit to lecture to them on family planning. The hypocrisy is something I will never, ever get over, and it’s something I will never, ever fail to point out whenever people talk about William and his efforts for the environment come up. He can go f-ck himself for those comments.
lol. I am so worried about the shake spilling in the last picture!
I’m sooooo BORED….would rather watch paint dry
It’s strange that they’re never holding hands. I’ve been with my partner for 15 years and every chance I get I’m linking arms or holding hands. Is this a British thing? Or a unhappily married thing?
They do hold hands. Not as much as Harry and Megan, but a quick Google search shows, they, due indeed, hold hands.
Those are probably older photos from when they were first married. It’s been extremely unusual for them to show any outward affection whatsoever in the last several years.
I do recall them holding hands at one point during Meghan’s first Christmas walk in 2017. Can’t think of any other recent(ish) times. They used to be fairly affectionate publicly in their first 2-3 years of marriage.
They used to be a little more tactile with each other in the early years of their marriage. Not like, all up in each other’s spaces, but enough for them that people thought they were openly affectionate. I remember them holding hands in that one shot of them taking a walk up some mountain in Bhutan and everything. It’s only quite recently that she visibly shrugged his hand off her shoulder on tv lol.
I dunno. Kate always struck me as someone with a personality that we don’t see much of. I’ll bet she’s a lot of fun in the right situations, if she felt comfortable enough to just be open about it. Maybe as the years go by she’ll start giving less of an eff.
I have 4 kids. I don’t recommend it, lol. I guess w/ nannies and a ton of money it would be easier.
I’m one of four. Two of us had 2 children, two of us had one. None of us were interested in recreating what we had.
I hope she doesn’t have another one, we are already paying for her three, why should she be allowed to have all the children she wants on the dole but nobody else can. I don’t want to pay for these people, I can’t stand her or her husband or the rest of that family excluding Harry, Meghan and Archie. We are in uncertain times with Brexit, another 4 years under the tories, working people such as nurses are using food banks, there are more homeless people than ever in recent times because of the tories and their housing benefit Cap. So no she shouldn’t have another, get out and bloody work you good for nothing cow.
As far as I can see that marriage is done and bringing another child into it would be incredibly selfish.
Sorry not sorry but these two have really rubbed me up the wrong way and I really hope karma comes for them and quick.
Isn’t it funny how people complain from day until night about how the Sussexes are a drain on tax payer money, but William having three children while lecturing poor black people in Africa on how they should stop breeding too much while he’s a glorified welfare recipient having children on the public dime doesn’t get any response from people whatsoever?
I don’t want to think about them procreating. Good God imagine his “O” face. **Shudder**
It’s on record from previous lovers that Charles likes to be called Arthur when he’s “O”ing. Wonder what William likes? Perhaps, Master or He Who Must Be Obeyed.
My husband wants a 3rd and brings it up a lot but I barely have enough time with the 2 we have and I honestly hate the baby period when you want to spend time with your older kid(s) but are endlessly trying to feed or change or get your baby to sleep. It’s not like we fight about it but it sucks not being in agreement and feeling that pressure.
Same. I never have baby fever, I have like, toddler fever. I absolutely love my children with my whole heart, but I didnt enjoy pregnancy or the exhausted/repetitive/mind-numbing newborn phase. I wish adopting a child was easier. I would have so many kids if I could skip pregnancy and the anxiety-inducing SIDs fears in the first year.
Do you mind me asking where you live? Adopting a child from foster care involves some hoops to jump through, but it’s practically free ($200-$2000, depending on the state in the US), and there are a surplus of children, so unlike private infant adoption, the need does not oustrip the demand. That makes us more wiling/able to work with families to try to resolve problems.
Also, you do not have to foster in order to adopt, and if someone tells you that you do, you should check your state laws. Some agencies require it, but most will work with you, especially if you’re looking harder to place (3 year olds and up).
This has been my daily PSA on the benefits of foster care adoption. I can’t see someone say anything about adoption without asking if they’ve considered this route. I’m like an MLM salesperson, but the product I’m pushing isn’t a scam, and nobody is making any money.
@insertpunhere, I know you mean well, but can we please, for the love of GOD, stop referring to children in foster care as if they’re commodities? “surplus” of children, “need does not outstrip demand.” We’re not talking about grommets being punched out on a conveyor belt here. They’re kids! Defending yourself by saying, “I KNOW I sound like an MLM salesperson,” doesn’t do anything for you, it just makes you sound even more dubious if anything.
Well…remember how she shrugged his hand off her shoulder? Maybe she doesn’t even want him touching her, so her line is “I don’t think William wants any more”.
Well as we know, whatever William wants…
Their “family is complete”? My instinct says their “marriage is done.” It was always a pseudo-business arrangement, and now I think it is completely so.
What a fuddy duddy outfit. I see she really loves those b**ch bows (that’s how we used call them in Wall Street in the 80s).
And I think she’s tied it wrong. There’s a gap of 3-4 inches below that but she’s got the bow tied right at her neck. I think the bow should have been lower, at the top of the dress closure (button, I assume).
Global warming is a big thing at the moment in the UK. They would get so many nasty comments if they had a 4th. Three is bad enough to get away with.
About the post regarding Lupo. Lupo is still very much “there”. There was a mention in the British press a few months ago of Kate being seen in one of the London Parks with Louis and Lupo. Just because we don’t hear about him…
Yes by all means add another member to your toxic family environment. Why not? I mean U.K. tax payers love spending their hard earned money on Royals.
Gosh imagine if Meghan had said something like that? The UK tabloids would be overjoyed with headlines claiming H&M’s marriage is in trouble, how Meghan is pressuring Harry and probably “tricked” him into having Archie, how she’s gonna destroy the environment with another baby and be an extra burden on british taxpayers, you name it!… But thankfully it was Kate who said it so of course nothing can be said about their supposed united “pigeon love.”
Harry got dragged for saying he wanted only two kids. Apparently the number of kids he should have said is however many children William has.
Wow, people on this site are incredibly callow.
Didn’t she say this before her pregnancy with Louis was announced? And he also had the audacity during that time to lecture Africans about procreation🤬
Seeing how she LOVES copying the Queen, I predict that we’ll hear about baby no.4 by end of the year!
Hallelujah!
The dress is not bad (credit goes to simon case or whoever chose her stylist team) on Kate it looks boring, Meghan would have brought it to life.
I think William’s ambivalence towards babies and the grunt work of parenting in general is stronger than his desire for good press and deflecting the bad narrative that surrounds him. He has enough children to trot out for media appearances at this point, and I frankly don’t think he gives much of an eff about kids when they’re still in the baby/toddler stage. He was much more involved with Charlotte and George when they got to being around 4 or 5 years old. Some parents aren’t all that enamoured with that stage in their kids’ lives.
I usually stick up for her since she seems to get a lot of hostility for things out of her control BUT that was tacky! “Our family is complete” would have sufficed.
Maybe William worries about Kate? She’s so tiny, and her pregnancies haven’t been easy ones (although it seems like they got the morning sickness a bit under control — I recall she was briefly hospitalized during the first pregnancy).