Clearly, the biggest gossip story going around is still Sussexit, and the icy drama that went down on Commonwealth Day at Westminster Abbey. I’ve been enjoying all of your theories about what went down behind the scenes, and whether Prince Charles told William and Kate to sit the f–k down and stop being petty a–holes. As cathartic as it is to imagine that happening, I have doubts. I don’t believe the cover story, of course, because that was what Willileaks and his office gave to Becky English at the Mail, that being that William and Kate selflessly agreed to step aside so that the “emotional” Sussexes wouldn’t feel snubbed. Horsesh-t. That wouldn’t explain the cold greeting between the couples AT ALL. Maybe we’ll never know, or we’ll never know anything beyond the Willileaks lie. One thing we do know: the brothers’ relationship will never be the same after all of this.
Prince Harry and Prince William will always be brothers, but their bond has been tested in recent years. The rift between the siblings first emerged when William cautioned his younger brother against moving too fast in his relationship with Meghan Markle. Now, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have decided to step down from their royal roles — effective at the end of March — and the dynamic between Prince William and Prince Harry will never be the same, says an insider.
The brother’s relationship is “forever changed,” a source tells PEOPLE in this week’s cover story. “They won’t get back to the way they were. Harry is looking straight ahead at his future with his family.”
The insider adds that Prince Harry and his wife plan to spend time in California, Meghan’s home state, and Canada with their 10-month-old son Archie. “He’s not looking back,” the source says.
Prince William and Prince Harry were just 15 and 12 when their mother, Princess Diana, died — and she hoped they would always stay close. “One thing Diana said was, ‘Please, whatever happens, remember you always have each other, and I want you always to stick together.’ And clearly that can’t happen for a long time,” says Ingrid Seward, a veteran royal biographer who knew the late princess.
I hate that Diana’s memory is being used as a cudgel against Harry, like IF ONLY Harry hadn’t been so emotional and if only he hadn’t married that horrid American, then he could have hung around and been William’s doormat for eternity, LIKE DIANA WANTED. Diana didn’t want that. Diana worried about William’s temperament too, and she always thought Harry had the better temperament to be king. But most of all, she worried that the royal system and the Men In Grey would chew up her sons. Those Men In Grey only chose to chew up one of her sons.
Meanwhile, the Daily Mail has another suspicious “exclusive” about what the Duchess of Sussex actually thinks about all the sh-t that went down. These DM exclusives always have the feel of some Royal Rota reporter just making halfway educated guesses.
Meghan Markle has told close friends that her farewell tour in the UK is ‘confirmation’ that she and Prince Harry ‘made the right choice in parting ways’ with the royal family, DailyMail.com can reveal. Meghan told her inner circle of friends that her last trip as a senior royal has been ‘bittersweet’ but she was ‘eager to get back home to Archie’ before the Duke and Duchess of Sussex officially walk away from the monarchy on March 31.
‘She said [the trip] has been a confirmation that they made the right choice in parting ways. There’s no warmth between the family members and she wants to raise Archie in a household that is filled with laughter and joy and lots of hugs,’ a close friend of Meghan told DailyMail.com. ‘It’s still weird to her that no one hugs and that everyone is so uptight, especially Kate. She said it’s obvious that Kate and William do not approve of their choices and that you could cut the tension with a knife. Kate barely even looked at her and their interaction was kept to a bare minimum.’
Yep. This is what I keep saying when people (unnamed sources) are like “oh, it’s bittersweet” and “oh, Meghan and Harry are so sad.” Harry is flat-out PISSED. He’s angry as hell, not sad. And Meghan is blissed out, knowing that they don’t have to deal with these dry charisma-vacuums for another year.
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I think the final straw for Harry would have been proof that Willy and Katie were behind the smear campaign against his wife. There would be no coming back from that.
Yeah – its pretty obvious to me that Harry has receipts that the Cambridges and Middletons were behind the leaking to the tabloids not just about the Sussexit negotiations but everything else. Things changed very obviously when they joined that lawsuit against the tabloids AND why certain people are bricking it.
It will be very interesting to see what happens when this gets to a court room, IF it gets to a court room as I still think Granny will try and make it go away to protect Cain and Unable who are still her heirs.
Harry may also very well have receipts on the smear campaign… coming from Kate and Carole. Perhaps that’s why Will looks so chagrined?
Tin foil tiara theory: Will and Kate basically lead separate lives, and Will is really in love with Rose Hanbury. He may have just refused to defend Meg/Harry to keep the press quiet on the Rose story. Meanwhile, Katie Buttons and Pimp Mama Carole are doing real smears. Will may very well have been betrayed by Kate. This could be what led to whatever fight caused Kate to cancel one time due to “lack of childcare” Now Will is trapped protecting himself because of Kate’s machinations are exposed, he’s screwed. Hence glowing Kate PR.
But wait: the embiggening of Kate might be to set up a fall. I mentioned that Will could use such a setup to justify divorce. What if that’s the plan this year, which is why the Sussex issue will be reevaluated?
Picture it: Waity becomes the lazy, vile, racist woman who drove out Meg and Harry and betrayed Diana’s other son William as well. Will comes out with how he feels betrayed by his wife, public sentiment gets Will the kids, and Will saves the monarchy by getting Harry and Meg back after vanquishing Kate.
This could explain a lot.
,@ Rapunzel, yr tin foil tiara theory is a veiled attempt at crucifying the women while you let the guy off the hook. It’s once again, attempting to vilify the woman while the guy is left to sit pretty and watch gleefully. Look, I’m not a Kate Middleton fan by any stretch, but William is the vilest man in that family.
Hmmmm. I see what @Babs is saying about letting William off the hook, but I can also see what Rapunzel is saying – except that I don’t think William was just off in Norfolk with Rose. I still think he was an active participant in what was going on, but to play along with Rapunzel’s theory – I could see him spinning it to be all Kate’s fault if they divorce down the road. So the last paragraph is what ends up happening, even though it doesn’t reflect the reality of what happened behind the scenes. (if that makes sense lol.)
It’s definitely a Tinfoil Tiara theory, but there are crazier ones out there.
Imo, Harry doesn’t give up his country, patronages, and military titles… over something Kate and her Mommy were leaking to the press. It’s bigger than that. The family wants you to think it’s small pettiness. It’s not.
@Babs – no, the vilest person in that family is the child rapist, hands down. Willy is vile, but I think rape is worse.
I think Tessa has I
Hit the nail on its head. Thanks Tessa.
I personally actually think that both William and Kate are too high and mighty to get their hands dirty like that with the press. That’s why they have “palace sources” and stuff to leak stories for them with their covert approval. I think Harry, who knows how this convoluted world of leaking and unofficial spokespeople works would know immediately who leaked what and who “authorized” it so to speak. But William and Kate have to make it look like they’re just passive, oblivious bosses so that an appropriate underling can take the fall for them and get shunted off to working as some Tory MP’s aid out of sight and out of mind with a pay raise.
Wasn’t there some hubbub about how KP was firing staffers left right and center? And how William tried to do something really shady with the money raised by their trust, which is why Harry and Meghan had to separate their operations from Will and Kate? I feel like there’s a lot of details here and the whole, William and Kate leaked stories to the press is just one part of it.
Yep. It’s obvious that Wallace (of Wallace and Gromit) could not stomach their popularity and orchestrated it all.
What a POS.
I definitely think him and Kate live separate lives. Eventually the chickens come home to roost and when they do the entertainment will be glorious
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William looks like an angry man with the eyes to the side and the grimace. HE is no longer the “hope” of the Monarchy. That has changed forever IMO. Even Charles never put on these ugly expressions.
His anger at his brother is healthy. Harry’s brother is an A-ho#e.
Racism. That I believe is what the break is all about.
100% agreed. The Windsors are vile.
Do you suppose if Meghan had been an ordinary, uncharismatic woc, Kate would have been bothered by her at all? Do you really think it was blind hatred of a woc or the fact the woc was charismatic, competent and showed them up? I think it’s the latter and racism made it very easy to bully Meghan and turn the media and public against her. Extreme jealousy is mostly what the break is all about. Had Meghan been white the smear campaign wouldn’t have worked so well.
I do suppose.
If she had been unassuming and just a shade darker, hair just a bit curlier, and not as pretty. . . I think she would have gotten it worse. Megan is very fair, with very srraightened, long hair, and is pretty. Of she wasn’t, this would have been waaaaaay worse.
GirlMonday yes you are correct, she would have gotten it worse, but for reasons other than Kate’s jealousy. Jealousy was a powerful force that initiated the smearing of Meghan. She wasn’t supposed to be a star, she wasn’t supposed to be better than them but she was. The nature of the smears were full of racial undertones, and some overt racism. I’m not minimizing racism but arguing that it would have played out differently if Kate and William weren’t jealous and mad at Harry and Meghan for being stars.
@MJM – I get your point, I think. For KATE, the jealousy stemmed from the whole Meghan “package” in my opinion. She was much better at the job than Kate was and people loved her for it. For all the talk of Kate as the next Diana, it was clear that it was Meghan who had that same element of star power Diana had, not Kate.
If she had been duller, less interesting, lazier, less pretty, less charismatic – and was still a black woman – I do think Kate would have reacted differently.
@Becks – for Kate at least I think the jealousy/competition/being shown up was so much worse than the racism. Although I can no longer remember which smears and leaks came from who and with what dog whistles or flat out racism.
What a sad commentary on Kate’s character that we’re debating whether it was racism, jealousy, or pettiness. It was all three if anyone’s wondering.
If Meghan had been marginally less charismatic, the press and everyone else would have had grounds to hate her even more. “New biracial duchess is a big bore” would have been the headlines. People would have been vicious. Racism is not always a reaction to a POC’s success. It’s about causing pain and hurt and damage to their self-esteem no matter what. If you’re good, you’re too good, and you need to be brought down. If you’re not good enough, we will make sure to tell you this every single day of your life until you internalize it and feel utterly worthless, just as we intended. To racists, your existence is an affront, good or bad.
the “William cautioned Harry about moving to fast with Meghan” jumped out at me this time. We’ve heard about this before, of course. I’m just wondering now if that sentence is code for “William said something really racist and ugly about Meghan”.
And yes, the press smears were one thing, but I believe the fact that NONE of the family defended them really caused the rift. So yes, racism coupled with immense privilege / snobbery and a complete disconnect from modern british society.
All those comments are out there about Meghan being “manipulative” and “controlling Harry” in the comments and blogs are so ugly. William is not Harry’s guardian and he should have gotten over himself and welcomed Meghan into the family and tried to be nicer or even just polite and courteous.
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Of everyone in the BRF, the fact that William didn’t even make the effort to stop the tabloid press, even though he could have done that with a phone call and had no issues doing it to shut down the Rose Hanbury rumours, is what always gets me. He did it for himself to serve his own interests, but his brother is just chopped liver I guess. And what’s worse is that he was either feeding stories to the press himself, or had people working for him at KP who were and he didn’t bother doing anything about it even though he saw how much it hurt Harry and Meghan.
It can’t be overstated just how many resources these people had at their disposal to do something about this harassment. Imagine if the Queen, Charles, William or Kate had done one appearance at some type of anti-racism initiative in London. Had one line in a speech firmly condemning racism. If Kate had reached out to Meghan and offered to team up to do events together. If the Queen and Meghan allowed for some papshots of them in a car going to church.
Instead, William chose to use his clout to shut down stories about his infidelities. And the Queen used hers to desperately rehab her disgusting sex offender son. And nothing for Meghan or Harry.
Exactly- it’s the racism and seeing your own child be characterized as a monkey along w your wife is just intolerable.
I feel like most of us here would be such good “insiders” in terms of “sources” for the DM et al. Of course Meghan thinks they made the right choice. Anyone with eyes could see that!
I did get a good laugh at the part about Kate being uptight though and being able to cut the tension with a knife. I didn’t expect the DM to come out and say that, even if its through a “source.”
As for the brothers – I don’t generally like when people play the “what would Diana think” game, because it usually comes from a place where Diana is either a total saint or total villain, but here – I think its pretty clear that Diana would be very upset over how Harry and Meghan have been treated, and she would be very proud of Harry for walking away like he is.
From the beginning Kate has been/was described as uptight and cold, that narrative only changed when they got engaged. Kate has ALWAYS been about the status and she has a long history of welding it like a weapon. I think that was part of why she was so openly cold on Monday – she was pissed that she was robbed of the status that came with walking in with TQ.
@DU it will be interesting to see if the narrative re: Kate continues to change and to swing away from the “embiggening.” I think her behavior at WA was embarrassing for the royal family and I’m sure some of them realize that.
I agree with you that she was pissed about not walking in with the Queen. There’s obviously a lot more there, but I think that was why she refused to acknowledge the Sussexes and looked so visibly pissed.
@Becks: I think Kate was cold because she blames the Sussexes for not being able to walk in the procession.
Now idk if the Sussexes provided receipts and Charles and HM said “alright you’re out” or the Sussexes had no involvement but somebody realised that making the Sussexes sit alone wasn’t great PR hence tried to make the Cambridges sit with them so they could try and pretend unity is there (Lol!) or if Kate and William took themselves out because they didn’t want to be the lowest ranking members in the procession and blame the Sussexes for making them do that.
Imagine how petty and insecure Kate must be if she would act the way she did at WA because she couldn’t walk in a procession? yikes.
OriginalLala, EXACTLY. She wanted to walk in a PROCESSION? I do enjoy how much bad press Kate is getting, but I am also nervous if, in fact, Normal Bill is setting *her* up for the next exit. If he is maneuvering to get rid of Kate (to prune rosebushes or whatever), I certainly hope Kate has some receipts. I’m pretty sure Carole wouldn’t let Kate go down without an ugly fight.
@DigitalUnicorn She and Pippa were known as the Wisteria Sisters, after all: fragrant, clingy social climbers
@redweathertiger the irony would be that he would now be stuck in a marriage for years to come. No way could he split, especially for another woman. Not on the heels of Sussexit and Andy. That would just be a pr nightmare. If this was his play, to maneuver her out next, it would publicly show just what a dunderhead he is. It would be a disaster.
Agree Becks1. While Kate’s public behavior and subsequent call out by some in the media has been interesting, I still find it fascinating that she went there. Kate must feel very secure in her role to have publicly shown her ass like that, because I can’t imagine there hasn’t been some sort of displeasure over it from the Queen or Charles. Sadly, I imagine their displeasure would be more about Kate allowing the public to see her unchecked anger, than about the reasons for the anger itself. Like Andrew being forced to step down for a bad interview and not for his relationship and behavior with Epstein. One must be perceived to not be affected; a bland persona is the proper royal response to anything. Karma’s a bitch though. To quote one great article headline from The Cut: “Imagine Being Rude in this Dumb Little Hat”. I absolutely love that their are some media calling her out instead of trying to make us believe that we didn’t see her behavior with our own eyes.
I think she was just pissed because she’s jealous and insecure and doesn’t like Meghan or Harry and isn’t actually the Pollyanna saviour the press tried to portray her as. I think she’s unhappy Meghan and Harry were there at all, as was William, because both of them have made it openly clear that they loathe getting their spotlight taken away from them. They wanted to be top dog. They weren’t. Meghan and Harry had been showing them up for days, and they couldn’t deal with that.
Kate probably wants to be uptight and ruthless, but she’s sloppy af about it if you ask me. It took her ten years to bag William. If Carole were younger, she’d have done it in five. She couldn’t insulate herself from all of the humiliation in the process. She tried to freeze out Rose Chumley and failed big time. I honestly think a lot of it is because she’s bad at setting down firm boundaries and second guesses herself and people take advantage of that. She’s great at acting petulant and surly and childish but not so good at sticking to her guns if you ask me.
Kate had just spent the last 5 days getting comprehensively crushed in every direction, as far as the eye can see. She had her ass handed to her by Meghan on f-cking everything: impact of their engagements, publicity, wardrobe, make-up, speeches, romance, charm/charisma, looks…..*everything*.
Whatever happened behind the scenes at that church was probably just ***the last f-cking straw***. Then the indignity of sitting down like (and with) the peasants. Kate was ready to cut a bitch at that stage. 🤬😡🤬😡
Yup! This!
You’d almost feel sorry for Kate if she wasn’t such a lazy, vapid person. If she’d been willing to put in the work over the years, she could have been receiving a similar kind of reception to Meghan’s. She’s also very pretty, and dresses nicely, if boring. The difference is, Meghan is more than just her outfit, her character shines through. Kate may lack the same natural charisma, but putting in the effort and really being interested would give her some shine. She’s still got being one of the young royals, the wife of a son of Diana, on her side. At least until George gets older.
Kate doesn’t get that, though; she thinks it’s all about the appearance (should I smile for the cameras here?). Hence the attempt to compete with Meghan, with the powder blue pap stroll and royal blue photo op, which both fell flat.
Yeah, that face is about not getting her’s as the wife of the FFK and walking in the procession
This. She cannot coast on her privileged white mediocrity anymore and she’s pissed. She has to deliver and she is not up to the task.
Bingo!
@windyriver, it’s not even the laziness or the vapidity. I can forgive that in people tbh. What I think I really don’t care for with Kate is her profound lack of sincerity. Like come ON girl. Come on! Who are you trying to kid? You’re a human like the rest of us. We know you’re not a perfect Stepford wife. We know you’re not just a cozy chutney mom making the school run with her kids. We know that you’re not any of these Instagram influencer type personalities that you constantly put on in order to make yourself more palatable to people. It’s all so disingenuous and frankly insulting.
I would actually respect Kate so much more if she were actually honest for a change. There are plenty of people in this world who I don’t necessarily like, whose choices I disagree with, but I respect them for their honesty if nothing else. But Kate acts like a prototypical mean girl. She’s nice to you to your face, and then talks shit behind your back. She let the press run with this narrative about how she’s such a peacemaker between the brothers for months and then in the span of two seconds showed us all how she really feels. How much effort does it take for her to stomach all of those emotions and keep them bottled up tight inside so that no one can past the facade she projects to the world?
How sad and disheartening to be treated like this by your own family and more so your brother. They only had each other after their mother’s death and I’m sure a strong bond took hold. And I’m sure if we are theorizing correctly, Harry must be angry, hurt and deeply wounded by what has happened. Time to start your own dynasty Henry – and I wish him and Meghan all the best: living your best life is the best revenge.
I agree.
Convinced H and M know the family is trying to punish them for wanting freedom. That Harry is pissed he’s been a model family member and his family is turning their back on him. He really thought they’d be happy for him and accept his wife into the fold. The disillusionment has made him angry. Meg, otoh, is used to this kind of drama. So she can deal with it better.
Obviously, there was a lot of hostility and continued lack of connection between the Sussexes and Harry’s family. Its so ugly that not even the Queen’s desire for them all to join together in welcoming the Sussexes back made a dent. So, given that the tension seems to be escalating instead of easing, I wonder if one or both the Sussexes will find a reason to bow out of Beatrice’s wedding. Frankly, if I were either one of them, I’d feel I’d done enough time in the royal family snake pit for this year.
Agreed, make an excuse and send a nice teapot …with the receipt
I think that really is what hurts Harry the most, out of everything else in the situation that hurts the most.
He gave his life for this institution. He was dedicated and committed to doing the best job he could, even though he would have much rather progressed with his military career than anything else. He had to end the first job where he likely felt confident and good about himself and do something he had lots of misgivings about but ultimately chose to do anyway because he cared about his family and he respected his grandma and the institution she worked so hard to represent. He let himself get used as a shield in the press to protect his older brother and didn’t complain. He stuck up for Kate on numerous occasions, was nothing but friendly and kind and genuinely caring towards her. He did all of this for years, and got f-ck all in return.
He got his reputation thrown under the bus constantly for the sake of others. His brother wouldn’t lift a finger to help him against a hostile press, even though he had every capacity to shut every negative story down within seconds if he wanted to. His sister-in-law isn’t even worth mentioning. The grandma who worked so hard to convince him to stay won’t do anything. All of these people had every ability to help, and they didn’t. All of these years he spent, giving them his time, his energy, his efforts, the best parts of himself for their sake…and this is how they repay him. By abandoning him and leaving him out in the cold to deal with all this sh-t against his wife and child by himself. When people say the royal family are grifters, they truly are grifters in every sense. I’d call them trailer trash, but that’s an insult to people who live in trailers and are actually more generous in spirit than the British royal family tbh.
As if any of Meghan’s friends would speak to daily mail hahahha.
I don’t k’ow What members of the royal family think they are doing.
They will never make Harry come back with their weird behavior and their coldness
Yeah that’s always the dead give away isn’t it Nina. Meghan’s friends talking to media sources she’s actively suing. It’s also interesting that it’s only Meghan who has such chatty disloyal friends. If Harry’s friends are the supposed source they are always referenced as former friends.
Of course their relationship will never be the same? How could it be after everything? Maybe one day they’ll be cordial but I don’t see it going further than that for a while.
Still printing lies I see…..and those who are weponizing Harry’s mother against him-how awful. We all know peace at any price is no piece at all and Diana wouldn’t have stood for it, so why should he. My god, people are cruel.
Harry’s face when he sees the royal reporters is the stuff of memes…gotta love the guy. He’s a true soldier…only, this time, he’s fighting to protect his wife and child. Meghan hit the jackpot with this one…he’s become not just her husband, but best friend, defender and protector…basically what every heterosexual woman hopes for in a life partner. I stan!!!
Still funny that some crazy people thought Harry would always be third wheel to his brother and Kate. I have a younger brother whom I love with my life but when he gets married, his first priority had better be to his wife…and then children!!!
I’m totally in support of Sussexit and I thoroughly admire Meghan. However I can’t seem to wrap my mind around the fact that whilst Harry seems terribly and honestly pissed at something or “someone” , Meghan still remains smiling?????
Like I don’t get it. Even Kate couldn’t summon her usual fake smile!!!!
When in doubt Megs , please stay expressionless… !
She’s smiling cause they’re at an event that is supposed to celebrate the Commonwealth. W,H & K are the ones who should’ve been expressionless if they can’t muster up a smile while at work. They’re the ones being unprofessional and shady. Not her.
I don’t see what the issue is. Meghan was being perfectly poised – she looked happy to be there, was engaged with what was happening, and very graciously opted not to see the ugliness around her (a truly royal attribute and skill).
Oh I think Meghan sees the ugliness and hatred, The Amazon —- and I know you know it too. Like you I would love to see her shut their shit down. My god, she’s living in it —- but she is just one class act. I admire her enormously. That kind of inner strength is formidable. In her autobiography and in her recent public forums Michelle Obama so eloquently expresses that same formidable will in how (and why) she chose to respond to all that hatred when she was First Lady. Someday, I hope we get to hear Meghan use what is happening to her now as a teachable moment. But for now, why should she give any of them the satisfaction of owning any piece of her, including her hurt. Team Meghan! Stay high and leave the low to all those knuckle dragging royals.
Oh yes, she saw it! I meant that she was very elegant and supremely royal in not acknowledging it one bit.
Meghan is not going to let those folks get her down! Harry, on the other hand must still have some expectations. And why shouldn’t Meg be smiling? She knows freedom and seeing Archie are close at hand.
Yup, that’s my take too, especially with her expression in the group picture walking behind Charles – she knows in a few hours (as per Omid) she’ll be on a plane back to her baby boy. Mission accomplished, last job successfully completed, outta there.
Harry on the other hand, is stuck there for a few more days…
Everything before the “but” [or “however”] is irrelevant. I’m not sure what you mean here … you really think Meghan’s good grace to maintain a pleasant expression is a mistake? That she should instead show no expression (and be accused of being a b!tch, sulking or worst an angry black woman?) Are you serious?
Yep she is a true role model. I cannot summon that kind of grace towards my haters tbh. I’m like a huge chunk of dry ice in their presence. She truly is one in a million but it points to how secure within herself she is. She knows her worth.
she clearly wasn’t “in doubt.” It seems she rarely is. stop policing people’s faces.
She’s the only one who has the emotional maturity to see how ridiculous the Royal family is. She has been through a lot, is resilient, and knows the future looks brighter for her and Harry than for Will & Kate. I’d be smiling too in her shoes.
She was smiling because the event was meant to celebrate the Commonwealth, and she was smart enough to know to put on a happy face. Everyone else except for Edward are the ones who did it wrong. And in fact there were comments in the news that the BRF as a group brought the mood down by sitting there with their pinched faces.
She remains smiling because Meghan has more class than the rest of the BRF.
Meghan simply rose above the fray and mustered far more dignity and aplomb than the rest of that vile nest of vipers. That’s what people like the Cambridges hate, when you don’t respond in kind – instead kill them with kindness. It’s karma in action.
She understands what my mother has told me since…the beginning of my life: “You’ll never encounter a traffic jam on the high road.” She drove that road solo.
@Honeybeeblues: I love that statement, your mother sounds like a very wise woman!
Jaded, indeed she is.
This fail article is lifted word for word from the Toronto Star article by Vinay Menon. Maybe now Toronto Star is Meghan inner circle 🙄🙄🙄
I know this may be an unpopular opinion around here, but the whole BRF seems like a bunch of petty, salty, tantrum-prone a**es. Some are much worse than others. Harry has a lot of charisma and warmth and has been treated horrifically by his family, but honestly I think he can be a petulant brat as well. Meghan, on the other hand, seems lovely, intelligent and level-headed. I wish her the best.
Yes to all. Harry will be much better the longer he is with Meghan and the further he is from William and Kate.
The only BRF members worth anything are the Canadian branch. I gotta say, miserable Sophie has been a surprise these past weeks. I had thought better of her, and boy wasn’t I wrong?
Feel just the opposite Lady D —- I love that the Queen’s favorite is being outed as being the bitch I’ve always thought her to be. But again, Sophie like Kate must be extremely secure in her position with the Queen to behave as she did on Sunday. Also, go back and look at the footage of her on small balcony for the Remembrance Day laying of the wreath ceremony. Sophie’s behavior was exactly the same then: she stood next to Meghan and totally ignored her wearing that same bitch face.
I’m with Lady D. I really thought differently of Sophie. She’s now in the same bitchy pile as the rest of them. I thought she was different, but she isn’t.
Sophie knows which side her bread is buttered on so she’s sticking with the solidarity of the royals against the outcasts. Maybe she’s hoping for a better tiara too if she stays on the queen’s good side and WK’s if they ever get to the throne.😉
@ladyD – I agree with the whole “Sophie” was a surprise. Maybe because I didn’t pay so much attention to her before. . .
but like @JA Lowcountry Lady says, look back at Rememberance Day. And yep, she stands there like a damn sour puss, absolutely put out because she has to stand with Meghan. Highly disappointing.
Wasn’t Sophie the one who was photographed yelling at a member of her staff a few years back? Old girl is as snobby and awful as any of the rest of them. Why did anyone assume differently?
Picture worth a thousand words. Harry’s anger and lack of familial support. William the Terrible, arrogant and smug. Chuckie, oblivious, uncaring, all’s well in my world.
Willie and katie are a$$wh0les. I hope they read this: if willie and katie show up on harry and megz front steps with their kids for a vacation together, i might change my mind about them, meanwhile there just petty jealous lazy racists betrayers to me. Diana would not be proud of the older brother being mentally abusive to his younger brother like this.
Dry- charisma vacuums shall hereby be the ONLY acceptable names for W&K.
I really dislike these People fluff articles that start out with the rift emerged when Wills warned Harry against Megs and then skips to … and now Harry is leaving! A whole lot of very unpleasant shady things went down between the brothers since then. Harry is not wearing that murderous look in the Commonwealth pics ONLY because of that long-ago warning.
I agree, Harper. I also can totally understand Harry’s inability to hide the obvious rage he was feeling after that nasty public performance toward him and Meghan on Sunday. I really hope for Harry that he finally got just how awful they are. Watching the video, you can see his anger grow the longer he sits there and thinks about how William and Kate just acted. I know I would be angry … and not just at them, but at myself for once again thinking people I loved and whom I thought loved me would once again hurt and betray me and my spouse in such a public way. And, that I had once again allowed them the opportunity to hurt and belittle my beloved spouse. Meghan handled it better because she has a calmer inner strength and because Harry’s family has never been her family. They made sure of that; I don’t think they’ve ever let her in. Plus, she’s dealt with the heartache of her family’s betrayal already and that has made her stronger because she has done the work of not letting them break her. Supposedly Charles’ nickname for her is ‘Tungsten’ as he said she is stronger than steel. I believe Meghan will use that wonderful strength of hers to help get them both through this and I pray that Harry continues his therapy in order to process and grow from this horrible betrayal by his immediate family.
I’m thinking he won’t return for the wedding or the Trooping. Or if he does, it will be him alone? Not sure, but M&H need months away from these people.
I once went 8 years without speaking to my older sister. Family stuff happened…we disagreed…and we’re both stubborn mules about being right sometimes. LOL! But, time and maturity brought us back together and healed the wounds.
All that is to say that, at the end of the day, these two are brothers. They may have fallen out for the moment, but I highly doubt it’s forever. In fact, I think it’s ridiculous to speculate that they’ll never speak or become close again. And I think their rift would heal even faster if the media and the “royal courtiers” would just back off.
But if racism is at the core? I don’t think I’d ever be able to look past that. Not towards my wife and son.
This is not some simple falling out. Some pretty gross and unforgivable stuff has happened here. I seriously doubt their relationship will ever go back to the way it was.
W&K behind some the unhinged, racist attacks against Meghan in the press. W&K using Meghan as a human shield re. William’s wandering Willy. William using his connection to Wootten to endanger Harry’s son by revealing their Canadian location. William leaking their plans to leave, not knowing Harry and Meghan already had their exit plan and website ready to go. William leaking he thinks his ‘fragile’ brother is making a bad choice.
No, what William and Kate have done is unforgivable. Harry has chosen his wife and son over the BRF, and he’s better for it.
@S808 and @notasugarhere – yep. Something vile happened and H is done with them. They revealed themselves, and while Harry might have expected something from his dad (know what he did to his mother), he probably thought his brother would have his back (us against them when they were children) – and not to stab him in it.
Harry and Meghan will have The best revenge of all. A happy life filled with warmth. That beats a crown in my opinion
This is sad because it’s on a public stage, but this happens all the time. I know tons of people who don’t speak to a sibling. I have a brother in law who made an absolute ass of himself at my wedding. I’m talking name calling, trying to pick fights, guzzling from a bottle of Jack. Real classy stuff. My husband hasn’t spoken to him in the five years since then. Just because you’re brothers, doesn’t mean you have to be friends.
Your family, at the end of the day, consists of people, just like everyone else in the world. They’re not infallible. The ties you have with them aren’t infallible either. They are as imperfect as any of us and we should all learn that sooner to save ourselves the heartache.
I’m so sick of the “fragile” narrative for Harry. This is the strongest decision he has ever made. He is proving that he is a man and not some sick man child like his brother. Bryony said in her article about the Sussex’s final engagement that said: why bother advocating for mental health if you don’t make yours a priority?
So agree with you, Marie —— I hate the way a lot of commenters are calling Harry out for his obvious anger on Sunday. He was behaving very appropriately until the Cambridge’s came in and deliberately lit his fuse. If it had been me, I think I would have gotten just as furious. Sometimes it hurts so much it is impossible to hide it —- unless you have a heart of stone. And Wow, I love that…….’why bother advocating for mental health if you don’t make yours a priority’. That is a truth well said.
I wonder since Britain is all “stiff upper lip” if the slur of “emotional” is just that – a contemptuous slur they can give to a white man?
The more I get on with my life, the more I’m realizing that all of this bog standard hatred for “emotional” behaviour and supposed “fragility” and the importance of bottling everything up inside and keeping a “stiff upper lip” is just a deeply rooted disgust and discomfort for anything bordering on vulnerability.
People loathe seeing vulnerability on display, not necessarily because they think it makes the person displaying it look weak, but mostly because it reminds them of their own vulnerability. They’d rather think of anything except how many different places there are in their minds and in their hearts that could be used to hurt them. They don’t want to think about the times they were helpless and sad and afraid, because who would? And yet, talking about those exact experiences is what strengthens us. Not repressing it. Not being afraid of being honest about it.
Well said Marie. And herein lies the difference, Harry willing to grow, move beyond the old paradigm, change location and direction, and W, seething with and remaining in resentment. Minute possibility these two will ever find a way to each other.
You know it’s made up when they hit up the ole’ “everyone knows”.
I still believe that besides H getting confirmation that the smears came from his brother/family, Willileaks insinuated/tried to make Harry cheat.
I bet, he did the whole everybody does it and M should know that it comes with the job.
Men that cheat will always try to make others do it.
You know, when I married Mouki, I was shocked how all of a sudden we weren’t invited to my sister’s home for family meals. We live 5 houses apart. Anytime I popped over my brother in law would ignore or be rude to me. It came to a head when a tshirt I wore when I was painting my house insulted him and he became enraged. I’m a lefty. That was 8 years ago and we don’t ever speak. I know its racism driving the insane angry behaviour. Were like H and M only I’m the ginger and he’s African. He’s the best thing that ever happened to me so I’m kinda down a sister, but I know I’m way happier this way.
Good for you Mouki’s Wife for refusing to be less than you are. I’ve been there too and sometimes the only choice is to cut that cancerous toxicity out of your life.
My best friend married an African American fellow in 1981. He was in public relations for the American Air Force, very smart and articulate. I could not believe the number of “friends” who dropped her and she was very hurt. You totally did the right thing even though I know how painful it must have been for you.
It’s like all those covert racists who had seemingly been either somewhat liberal or mostly to the center their whole lives…until 2008 after which point they got enraged enough to ditch all of their principles and tune into Fox News on a 24/7 basis. It’s funny. I wonder what happened in 2008 that made all of these supposedly middle-of-the-road white people so angry. It’s a real mystery huh.
I don’t really believe that Kate was upset at not walking in the procession. I think she was upset because she knew she’d have to deal with William’s tantrums over not being in the procession once they got home.
I agree with Kaiser that the reports are guesses. I don’t think any friend of Meghan’s is going to spill all that to a reporter or they would cease being her friend. I also think Meghan is too smart to discuss this sort of stuff with friends.
Tin foil tiara – I think the Sussexes, particularly Meghan, brought up the Cambridge kids and the potential exposure of the coronavirus at their school. The Sussexes may not wanted to walk with them out of fear of exposing Archie and not self isolating. H & M may think W & K should have stood down.
Only thing is they both met with scores of people themselves while they were in the UK, so I don’t think exposure to the Cambridge kids (and not even directly) would be any more of a threat of them getting it.
So much is not known. I absolutely hope that the lawsuit clearly reveals the source of the smears and hate campaigns.
I honestly think Harry prepared for a semi break from royalty years ago and regardless of who his spouse was, he was tired of being the foil for his brother. Harry even gave his mom’s most famous ring to Will to propose to Kate. So to paint him as a petulant brat is painting with a broad stroke.
He played 3rd wheel and was openly kind to Kate. So to have them be rude to his wife/child is hurtful as hell.
To remove the military titles after 10 years of duty, more effort to control him.
He had enough and it probably is bittersweet to cut ties and leave the country but he’s allowed to feel how he feels.
I wish the Sussex family the best and some peace too!
I think to Harry the betrayal even after the cambridges team released that statement to deny NormalBill bullying the Sussexs out. The continued harassment of Meghan and hate pieces by well known Kensington palace linked reporters.
No friends of Meghan will talk with this XENOPHOBIC rag. I cant wait for her court cases to start. The whole world will become more aware of their smearing campaign.
And meanwhile, the Cambridges are in lockdown as they assess the fallout of their epic rudeness. Future King Charles 3 must have given them a dressing down.
There is no coming back from that brotherly free-fall.
You know who we haven’t seen in all this? Princess Anne.
I just saw it announced that Princess Anne is going to Canada soon for an official visit. . . .?
So, does she like H and M? Will she ignore them? I mean Zara was a complete jerk at the wedding and afterwards. . .is Anne the same way? I have no idea. Out of all the senor royals, she has distanced herself miles and miles away from the blast point. . .not even coming out to the commonwealth ceremonies. So I’m not sure if she’s staying out of range because she too loathes them or not. . .?
Anyone know?
Princess Anne has always stayed up and out of the fray. She’s largely uninterested in the rest of the royal family, she even told a reporter “oh I don’t get into all that” when they asked her about Prince Louis. She’s as snobby as they come, but she’s not petty or vindictive, or at least doesn’t have a history of it. She just cares about her engagements and her kids and her horses. Meghan is a hard worker so she probably doesn’t have an issue with her, and Princess Diana said Anne was one of the few in that family that didn’t constantly put Harry down.
Of course their relationship is changed forever. Any idiot could see that. It’ll be interesting to see how things go in the future.
Meghan is pregnant.
Harry looked like he was just waiting for someone to say one thing about Meghan or Archie so he could beat them down. He has shown from the very beginning that he will defend Meghan and that goes double for his son.
I think Diana would have been conflicted if she were still here. She would be proud that Harry was strong enough to walk away for love, but would have hoped he would there to balance out William. I believe she saw that together William and Harry would have been good for the monarchy, but William alone was not a good leader.
Forward, Harry. Always forward.
Protect your wife and child as you see needed.
This goes for a lot of people and their toxic families.
I think it’s hilarious how they’re trying to otherise Meghan by making her this stupid American who doesn’t understand the British proclivity for being emotionally constipated, but it’s not working because it’s just making them look like sh-t. The royal family doesn’t even HUG. There is no joy and no laughter. Everyone is so uptight. Kate is the ultra snob school marm who “disapproves” of Meghan and Harry’s choices. What type of picture does this paint of Will, Kate and the RF to anyone who doesn’t read the Fail every day of their life?
If I were Harry & Meghan, I’d say f*ck that wedding and anything else those asshats want them to do. You know if Diana were still alive, she would be 100% behind them leaving this royally dysfunctional family!
You mean a mother is eager to get back home to her less than a year old baby? WHAAAT? Whoa DM! Whaat? What?
“But most of all, she worried that the royal system and the Men In Grey would chew up her sons. Those Men In Grey only chose to chew up one of her sons.”
I disagree with this Kaiser. They tried to chew him up but he surprised them. I will concede that they did naw at him for a while (years) but that was before he had a family of his own to look out for. If they had succeeded, he would be broken, he would have let Meghan and Archie go. I think they gave him a purpose far stronger than family duties/titles.
Meghan is smiling because the ugliness is honestly not her problem. She has done absolutely nothing to deserve their behavior and now the whole world can see what they were dealing with for themselves.
Justice is being served in real time and she gets to go home in peace to her baby & husband.
Integrity & courage mean things & have power. A lesson the House of Windsor needs to understand.
That will go without saying. Harry is no longer the spare. William produced his heir and spares , so Harry can live his life as he wants within the confines of his birth not the control of his brother. He chose to walk away from the bullying and ,with honour and integrity , protect his family from said brother and BTM.