When Jeffrey Epstein died under mysterious circumstances last summer, my immediate thought was “well, the Queen will do anything to protect her favorite son.” While I believe that’s true – that the Queen would do and has done the most to protect Prince Andrew – I also feel like Andrew is a stand-in for the larger dark forces at work. Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell trafficked in girls and young women for all kinds of powerful men. One of the conspiracies I’ve believed for some time is that the human trafficking operation was HOW Epstein made his money – through blackmail and providing victims to powerful men, Prince Andrew among them. “Sources” now claim that Ghislaine could name names, but there are different theories about whether she’ll hold back Andrew’s name:
Many powerful people connected to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell — including Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Leslie Wexner — could be “extremely worried right now” following Maxwell’s arrest — because she wrongly believed they were protecting her. Steven Hoffenberg, a former business associate of Epstein’s (and who temporarily managed the New York Post in 1993), said, “She’s going to be naming some big names — not only in terms of those who abused underage girls at Epstein’s parties — but also those who made financial agreements with Epstein or benefited from his generosity, including flying on his plane and staying at his homes.”
He said it was a shock for Maxwell to be arrested on charges that she groomed underage women to have sex with the infamous pedophile. He explained, “Ghislaine thought she was untouchable — that she’d be protected by the intelligence communities she and Jeffrey helped with information: the Israeli intelligence services, and Les Wexner, who has given millions to Israel; by Prince Andrew, President Clinton and even by President Trump, who was well-known to be an acquaintance of her and Epstein’s.”
But another Maxwell associate, Laura Goldman, believes she would protect Andrew and be more likely to talk about the others.
“Andrew helped launch Ghislaine into the New York social scene when she was nothing after the death of her father. She always saw him as a real friend.”
One person suggested to Page Six that Maxwell “won’t be able to handle jail — and she’ll immediately start talking to try to get out of it.” I guess it depends – Maxwell’s arrest showed that she wasn’t actually being protected by those all-powerful men in the shadows. But she might have faith that those powerful figures will still do *something* to get her out.
As for Andrew, considering that he’s the most high-profile man whom we KNOW was involved in the rape and human trafficking operation, I would think that he would be the first person Maxwell names. I tend to believe Andrew thinks that too! The holiday weekend was full of various stories about whether Andrew would actually participate in an FBI questioning. The British government’s ministers are basically leaving Andrew out to dry – the FBI has already sought an interview with Andrew through the Mutual Legal Assistance treaty/filing. Andrew’s lawyers keep insisting that they’ve “offered” Andrew’s witness statement repeatedly. Again, the FBI is seeking an interview, not a witness statement. Andrew is a person of interest in the investigation, not a witness.
Also, the Telegraph’s Camilla Tominey had a story about how Ghislaine won’t sell out Andrew, and there was this photo of Ghislaine and Kevin Spacey sitting in the Throne Room at the Palace:
“Ghislaine always talks about what a true friend (Prince Andrew) is. She doesn’t see any reason to speak about him to the authorities,” Laura Goldman, one of Maxwell's closest friends tells @CamillaTominey https://t.co/EmNygUTIlm
— Josie Ensor (@Josiensor) July 3, 2020
Photos courtesy of WENN, Avalon Red and Backgrid.
Andrew will get away with it because Trump wants to rub shoulders with the monarchy to reinforce his ego. I have a feeling that Barr will make sure Clinton is implicated whether or not he actually is (if he is, he should be in jail. I’m not caping for him) while making Trump look clean (when he likely isn’t). Trump would love to lock up one of the Clintons so he can keep his campaign promise.
A MAGA on Twitter was trying to tell me that Trump doesn’t know Maxwell, despite the photographic evidence. So that’s already happening.
Fox News spent the weekend showing a picture of Maxwell, Epstein and Melania, with Trump cropped out of the picture.
Wow. Of course they did. Not that it really helps their cause- too many people have already seen that photo unedited.
Serious question, why isn’t Dershowitz named anymore? He was right in there, that POS.
This all just sounds like wishful thinking on Prince Andrew’s part. She may have considered Andrew a “friend,” but she’s not going to jail to protect him.
I do find it interesting how the coverage even in the UK is more about if Ghislaine will spill the beans about Prince Andrew – its going without saying that there are “beans to spill” so to speak. You would think the story would be “PA is not worried because he has nothing to hide,” not “he’s not worried because Ghislaine is a true friend who wont rat him out.”
This exactly.
I too saw that pic in the throne room. What a mockery they have made of all of us. We are to believe Kate and Meghan fought over hem lines and tights when you have Andrew allowing people to sit on the throne chairs. We are the fools here.
I don’t think she will name Andrew because she may need him down the road. But I do believe she will name the little fish to take eyes off the big fish.
I agree with you, but I don’t think Andrew is a big fish, so to speak. He’s already embattled, people know he’s guilty, his ‘I can’t sweat’ excuse was absurd. I think there are bigger fish she won’t name and giving up Andrew is one of the ways she will deflect from them.
I bet he’s learned how to sweat by now.
Ahm thanks, Seraphina. I was looking for a way to put it. You hit the nail on the head – offer the small fish to protect the big fish. Im hoping the FBI won’t be interested in anything she’s got to offer unless it weighs a lot. And I believe that in America, as in other countries, there are some huge fish that need reeling in. No one is that interested in Andrew. He’s been named. And if a prince, the son of a ruling monarch, can be named and shamed, you can bet there are much bigger, more *important* people who don’t want their names getting out. I’ll even bet there are some “advocates for victims of exploitation” among them.
I am so here for all of this! It does feel like we are in a time of change and something might actually happen to Ghislaine and all of the shadowy and not-so-shadowy men.
I believe Andrew will be a sacrificial lamb. The queen will do all in her power to protect him but who is Andrew in all reality? A minor royal not in the direct line of succession. There are bigger fish to fry and protect here and Andrew is high profile enough but unimportant enough to be sold down the river. Once the queen is dead Charles won’t hesitate to cut Andrew loose so its only a matter of time before they come for Andy.
THe Queen chose to throw Harry and Meghan under a bus to protect Andrew.
TQ has already made it clear that she will ruin family relationships and damage the throne to protect her favourite.
If Chuck wants a throne to inherit he HAS to talk sense into Mummy about making Andrew co-operate – all this does it make it looks like they have something to hide.
I have always believed the press have evidence on Andrew and his personal/financial shenanigans with Epstein and Maxwell. Those photo’s with Spacey prove it and they are drip drip dripping it into the public domain. They have tea and they are starting to spill it.
Filling the void left by the Sussex’s. I know this is petty, but I hope this article leaves Betty in a sour mood for days. Couldn’t happen to a kinder person.
If she does provide information to either reduce her sentence or avoid a trial the only information we’ll be given is a plea deal has been made. I think Dumpty, with all the other charges SDNY will charge him with, will be the target. Andrew is a small fish to the US, he’ll settle and avoid any threats of civil court. Her best option is to give evidence, avoid or have limited time in jail, enter WitSec and keep security 24/7. I have had to report crime, criminal behavior and my privacy has always been protected. It’s standard in CA.
First off, I think she will try to trade-off the names of those who are the least dangerous to her. I’m not sure if this would include Andrew or not. If he doesn’t have the support of the British government, then yes. But if he does, then the potential involvement of MI5 or 6 may endanger her life.
Secondly, Page Six/The New York Post make me sick. Their stories are so obviously politically slanted — generally complimentary to Republicans, while undermining Democrats at every opportunity. True to form, there is Clinton’s name right at the top, but Trump is never mentioned in connection to Epstein.
I’ve noticed this too. Despite all of the photos of Trump socializing with Epstein and Maxwell, MAGAs act like there’s no relationship there at all. Zip. Zero. Zilch. It’s so frustrating that they will condemn Clinton based on the same circumstantial evidence they deny even exists with Trump.
trump is involved in Jeffrey’s case, so as to bill gates and some others. But the thing here is andy, some troy members and bill Clinton when he was president visited Jeffrey private island, not the orange idiot. the orange idiot is many things but I don’t remember anyone accused him of being a pedophile. Clinton on the other hand is pedophile check out Ariana grande performances how sick Clinton was looking. there are many senators from both dem and republican involved in this scandal. trump jail time is coming but not for this. if he anyway invloved in this pedophile ring the media will have a open season with it.
“but I don’t remember anyone accused him of being a pedophile.”
I guess you missed the very credible accusations of rape of a 13-year old.
also, check out pics of him and Ivanka from when she was that age. her caressing his face, the two of them sitting on a bed with her kissing him, in the back of a limo with her legs across him, her “dancing” while sitting on his lap…the inappropriate photos are PLENTY.
and Ariana Grande isn’t a child. she may be young, but Clinton isn’t ogling a child or a teenager. he may be gross, but you can’t use that as evidence that he’s a pedophile.
Trump is absolutely a pedophile. There is *far* more evidence of that than anything about Clinton (who should absolutely be pursued if he did anything like Andrew, Epstein, Trump, etc).
I’m picturing Charles being really petulant over the fact that Kevin Spacey has gotten to sit in the throne that he’s still waiting for!
Of course icescream the gop troll has this exactly reversed. Clinton is a lot of things but no one ever accused him of being a pedophile. Trump HAS been accused of that and is almost definitely a pedophile. These fools don’t give up. I wonder how well disinformation trolling pays?
The Post has always leaned conservative. You will find this to be true with all their reporting, even on Page Six. Their “news” section has always been proGOP.
IMO She probably has a list in her head of who she’ll give up and in what order. There will be scandalous names, like Les Wexler/Weiner…(sp?). She won’t give big names unless she has to..meaning they’ll threaten long prison sentence.
I’m interested to watch the Wexner fall out-If it happens. I lived in Columbus for a while and his company has put a lot of money into the area and the OSU campus.
I wondered where that throne photo came from and if it wasn’t released by Ghislaine’s attorney as a silent warning to Andrew specifically, but also everyone else involved, that she has ALL of Jeff’s receipts. Allegedly EVERYTHING was taped. I think this may have been a subtle reminder to some powerful men that if they don’t help her, the leaks will only get worse.
That Netflix special said that all of the hard drives were missing when the home was raided in FL. So somebody has something. It could be Ghislaine’s attorney or maybe someone at the FBI? There was a lot of thingss found in Epstein’s NY home when it was raided.
Idk about Andrew. He has no power. I want trump named, or Dershowitz, or other powerful men. Andrew is small potatoes and already disgraced in the public’s eyes.
This. He’s a big name but has no real power or influence with anyone or anywhere. Clinton, Trump, Dershowitz are players, but I bet she also knows the big names in banking, etc. that may not be familiar to most but hold the real power in the US and internationally.
Law enforcement came for Gigi with a no knock warrant and an armed presence. She can get up to 35 years in prison if convicted. She is not treated with kid gloves; no Club Fed stays. I still vote witness protection.
LOL. They used the exact same words, “a no knock warrant, armed presence, 35 years if convicted” when describing Felicity Huffman’s arrest for bribery. I’m sincerely hoping for a different outcome here.
It always amazes me how banal evil looks.
I think she won’t do any singing until it has been worked out in the higher courts whether she is covered by Epstein’s guilty plea, which is meant to include (protect) his “unidentified associates.” I believe her lawyer has already announced that is the tack they are taking. This is going to be a long haul.
She’ll be dead inside a month, just like Epstein
They’re already claiming she has Covid19.
Exactly.
Yeah, she’s not going to like the “something” they do to get her out…
She may name names but there has to be real evidence to back up anything she says for there to be any legal action or jail time for any of them. Where’s the evidence going to come from? Photos won’t convict anyone.
Her tell would only reinforce what SDNY already knows. Notebooks, computers and cameras were seized from the BVI and Manhattan, may have from New Mexico and France. Four Epstein owned homes. I’d wonder if they had access to his 5th home in London. 🙂
They could all get away, even with evidence. I read that Strauss making it a criminal case means that the Florida DAs at the time could be charged, which would be great. Sadly, they all got away before, and they will again unless Maxwell gives up what she knows, names names, links evidence, and points fingers with evidence to back it up. Strauss has something or she wouldn’t have taken Maxwell in custody, but the names we all hear about: Trump, Clinton, all of the men at the dinners, anyone who took a trip on that private plane, are all considered innocent until there are indictments, trials, and dispositions that end up with jail time.
Hopefully the rumors are enough to keep the criminals from actively preying on new victims, but the power structures are still in place to keep them all going and protected. I still worry about Strauss and hope that she has reliable body guards now. I feel that Maxwell will be dead by the end of the year.
off with his head. *joke* but honestly f the whole royal family and clinton and dershowitz and all those scummy predators who can’t manage their outsized egos
I believe his money also came from procurement of children for these men. No where is it explained how he became so wealthy and it was wealth on a whole other level. It’s just said he was a money manager. Not sure how the manager can have more than his clients. I mean the homes alone this man had….
Apparently he was a big presence in The CDO market and created new securities and funds, he knew that game and how to make money. He also had links to International security governmental leadership. He could make money all day long but he had a crazy sex habbit and used Maxwell to prey on girls for him. But he lost money in 2008. All his cases were settled out of court there must’ve 20 or so on Wikipedia. Craziest stuff ever. If your interested in him and his fundings money read Wikipedia.
I know this is naive but I hope it ALL comes out.
I hope they enough evidence even without her testimony against every last person involved.
I’m not sure what her incentive is to talk. I mean with a plea deal where she won’t get prison time (or very little) she’s a dead woman walking. The minute she steps foot outside someone will get her. Even with witness protection, the people she will have named have the power and the resources to find her easily. I fear she is keeping quiet and hoping those she is protecting can get her out.
She wont say anything. I just… I just have trouble believing these rich pedos will ever be held accountable. Justice for the powerful is just not the sort of thing that happens on Earth anymore. If it ever did.
May she twist and burn all the way to hell.
It won’t get that far IMO she will die in jail from “covid” related symptoms or “suicide” – although people may be on to that after Epstein’s murder…I mean suicide. MI6, CIA, past and present presidents, Royalty lots of people want her silenced and after the fact what exactly can be done??? People just accepted the Epstein death…many didn’t believe it but what could be done after the fact
People are missing the forest for the trees: “Ghislaine thought she was untouchable — that she’d be protected by the intelligence communities she and Jeffrey helped with information: the Israeli intelligence services, and Les Wexner, who has given millions to Israel; by Prince Andrew, President Clinton and even by President Trump, who was well-known to be an acquaintance of her and Epstein’s.”
“She thought she’d be protected by the intelligence communities she and Jeffrey helped with information.” This says a great deal and it’s packed into one small sentence. Remember what Alex Acosta said when he was asked about Epstein in his confirmation hearings? “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,”
Add to this the very public allegations that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, was also working for the intelligence community. There are rumours that Ghislaine took over his intelligence operations after he died. I don’t think that all this stuff is incidental to the allegations of underaged sex trafficking and pedophilia. I think it’s part and parcel of it all.
One of the biggest reasons why Epstein was able to ingratiate himself with the upper classes is because he shared their outlook for the most part. I do think that, beyond a certain point, money does corrupt your attitude towards a lot of things. You stop seeing people as people, you see them as ‘resources’, as ‘assets’, etc. In that context, it’s very easy for a person like Epstein to do the things he does and get away with them for as long as he has. He’s not a bug, he’s a feature of a system that’s working precisely as intended, and that should be a wake up call for a lot of people.
I understand why the reference the intelligensia but why specifically add the reference to Wexner donating millions to Israel? That just seems like a bit of a dog whistle here
I quoted directly from what Kaiser wrote in the article above, which comes directly from Page Six. I can understand the reticence towards that reference, and I see how it can be seen as a dog whistle. But there is some context there.
Les Wexner’s charitable foundation, as with most of his financial assets, was managed by Epstein. This foundation has a number of philanthropic pursuits that have a specific focus on Israel, particularly in the training of Israeli public officials in leadership skills. It was created by Wexner for this purpose, and the vast majority of its activities are above board and transparent.
However, it was discovered in 2018 that former Israeli PM Ehud Barak had received $2.3 million dollars from the Wexner Foundation as a payment for some unspecified research that has never been fully explained.
Ehud Barak was also close friends with Epstein, and given the level of financial control that Epstein had over Wexner’s fortune, this naturally led to some deeply uncomfortable questions that haven’t been answered adequately.
Wexner has also been accused by Israeli right-wing politicians of being an American intelligence tool. His interest in training Israeli public officials in leadership skills has been scrutinized and accused of being an attempt to sow a more liberal viewpoint that would be suitable to American foreign policy. His donation to Ehud Barak, a left-wing politician, was seen as further proof of this. But Wexner has been open about his philanthropic efforts in Israel.
I’m not fully sure what this has to do with Ghislaine Maxwell in particular, let alone her own alleged involvement in intelligence activities, but I don’t think this is a dog whistle of the antisemitic variety, although a ton of people have taken it as such and run with it in a fundamentally disgusting way.
1. Alan Dershowitz melted down on Twitter.
2. Fox news edited out Trump’s photo with Epstein, Maxwell and Melanomia.
3. Bill Barr got Geoffrey Berman, U.S. Attorney for the SDNY, fired.
4. SDNY arrested Ghislaine Maxwell, who knows everything about Jeffrey Epstein, Alan Dershowitz, Bill Barr, and Donald Trump.
5. Queen Petty had a call with Trump one day before the arrest but neither got their stories right about what was discussed.
Remarkable coincidences.
Just adding that it won’t sheild her from the civil suits just because this endictment only cover a very short period of time (she can’t be charged for a large part of it because of immunity)
I’m wondering what Trump’s planning to do in his lame duck period if he loses. Does he have an agreement with the Queen to pardon Andrew after the election? What else? Does he have a pile of executive orders lined up to sign?