Prince Harry is being criticized for saying white people benefit from systemic racism

Nominee, Beyonce Knowles-Carter, and Jay-Z at the 77th Annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton in Beverly Hills, CA on Sunday, January 5, 2020.

I covered the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s discussion with Black leaders from the British commonwealth on the day the video was released. The video was part of Harry and Meghan’s continued work with the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, positions they were given because Harry and Meghan are “younger royals” and they appeal demographically to the British commonwealth countries, which are full of young people of color. The Queen didn’t make Harry and Meghan withdraw from their QCT positions because even those fussy courtiers knew that it would look bad to replace the first black duchess with… you know, the Countess of Wessex or someone like that.

When I covered the video, I got mad because it was yet another example of the royal family wanting credit for Harry and Meghan bring to the table, yet the Windsors won’t support them or stop smearing them. I felt like Harry and Meghan should withdraw from the QCT out of a refusal to continue to be used as Inclusion Props. But as it turns out, those petty Windsors and the courtiers used Harry and Meghan’s QCT video for something else entirely: to simply further the smear campaign. In the video, Harry said this:

“When you look across the Commonwealth, there is no way that we can move forward unless we acknowledge the past. It’s not going to be easy, and in some cases, it’s not going to be comfortable. But it needs to be done, because guess what: Everybody benefits.”

Acknowledging his own bias— “we can’t deny or ignore the fact that all of us have been educated to see the world differently”—Harry then went on to call out systemic racism: “It’s there and it stays there because someone, somewhere is benefiting from it,” he said.

[From Vogue]

None of this is particularly controversial as far as content, it’s just that nothing like that has ever been said by a member of the royal family. There’s never been an acknowledgement that the family has historically been a group of racists and colonizers and they’ve benefited from it massively, as has the British establishment and aristocracy. The idea that systemic racism exists and thrives because white people benefit from it …is not a new thing. But there are so many white people in the British media who seem utterly shocked and appalled by Harry’s words, and the idea that he would turn his back on his racist, colonizer family and call them out this way.

There are “calls” for Harry to be stripped of his title. Many feel that the Queen will be very angry at Harry because he… acknowledged that systemic racism exists. An Oxford professor says the British empire has no dirty secrets! And Harry and Meghan are being called “woke” or performatively woke. All because Harry talked about racism. I cannot.

Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex, and Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, attend a roundtable discussion on gender equality!

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  1. Alexandria says:

    Harry I hope you read this. I am a minority in a Commonwealth member state. You are doing good and you have my support.

    • Snazzy says:

      We love you Harry!!

    • Edna says:

      H&M continue to show their work. Meghan is scheduled to be the keynote speaker at the upcoming Girlup virtual conference.
      https://girlup.org/programs/leadership-summit

    • Tealie says:

      Me too i am a British citizen and from a commonwealth state and i agree!

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Harry thank you for standing up and being a needed voice. It isn’t always easy to be on the right side of history, but you are doing the right thing.

      • Peony_Wise says:

        Right! Thanks @Liz Version 700, and others for standing in solidarity with Harry for speaking out. As I pointed out in the other thread, Harry was the main person involved in creating the QCT in 2016. I believe Sir Christopher Geidt who is an administrator with the organization assisted Harry in it’s development.

        Geidt used to serve as the Queen’s private secretary until he was ousted by Andrew’s and Charles’s people for daring to suggest all the palaces should be centralized under one communication umbrella. That idea was threatening to the grey men among the various fiefdoms and the Queen decided not to back Geidt up. I suppose she felt like she’ll be checking out soon and didn’t want to go against her sons.

        Anyway, the Queen gave Geidt a full time position at QCT. Please understand everyone that the QCT is a separate entity from the monarchy, despite the fact it was created at her behest. I believe Harry was directly involved because the Queen had promised him he would be given an important role, and working with Commonwealth Youth is right up Harry’s alley. It’s one of his strengths, which in turn helps his country.

        Again, the QCT is way beyond being about the Queen and the monarchy. That’s why Harry’s and Meghan’s positions with the group could not simply be taken away. I’m sure the group has a Board that is made up of some young people from the Commonwealth, and some British individuals too who have nothing to do with the monarchy.

        Maybe it would be helpful if they dropped ‘Queen’ from the organization’s title, and just call it ‘The Commonwealth Trust’. Would that help people realize that the Queen doesn’t have control over the running of this group? It is separate from the monarchy.

      • Peony_Wise says:

        Sorry, duplicate post got submitted

    • Alex says:

      I am a POC from a Commonwealth country currently living in the UK and would like very much like Harry, the epitome of white privilege, to sit down.

    • PrincessK says:

      Yes we love you Harry!

  2. Carol says:

    Time for the Brits to stand up to racism in their own country. They should be toppling statues too, they have so many racists bigots in their history. Time for a reckoning.

    • Ruby_Woo says:

      A slave trader was toppled in Bristol and thrown in the waters (the way threw thousands of Africans into the water). Now there are charges to the people who toppled it and the BBC printed their faces!

      This has resulted in a review of all statues in London (there are A LOT of slave-owners).

      And the statue of Rhodes that is on the front of one the Oxford University Colleges has been ordered to be removed… and donors of the University threatened to stop funding scholarships if they remove the statue! They will anyway.

    • PrincessK says:

      What is really interesting and you couldn’t make it up . Up until 2015 British tax payers, including black British tax payers were paying back the interest incurred on the debt, which arose from the compensation paid to slave owners for relinquishing their slaves in the 19th century.

  3. Priscila Bezerra-Fischer says:

    I keep saying this: insisting on blaming the victim campaign is their choice. It exonerates them of ALL blame and it gives them an explanation for their shitty behavior.

    More and more I am convinced mostly William and certainly, Betty gave at least tacital approval to continue with this narrative. William, for some reason, wants Harry never to come back, and Betty took Harry leaving personally, and they are both not used at people telling them ” no”.

    In their eyes, it is a win-win situation. For Betty, the more people worry about Meghan and Harry upsetting her in her old age, the less they will speak about her, in her old age, going to great lengths to provide and care for her shitty son.

    For William, making Harry and Meghan the villains works in many, many levels. It feeds into Kate´s need for competition and her inadequacies as a medicore woman with few legitimate interests, constantly putting Meghan down for her real accomplishments. It also makes William seems wise and stable in oposition to his younger brother, because somehow being normal, bland and not taking any risks in life is better than saying meaningful wordsand actually trying to do something.

    They will continue with this narrative for as long as they possibly can. It sells newspapers, it prevents their audience from making uncomfortable questions and it saves the asses of the Queen,. who did nothing to shield her grandson from racism reaction to his interracial marriage, and the future King,w ho is a piece of work.

    Charles, on the other hand…he is the one losing from all this.

    • Layday says:

      I agree with your assessment Priscila. I guess they’ve never heard the adage, you might win the battle and lose the war though since they’re only reading books where they’ve won all the wars lol. Perpetuating an outdated institution that is tone deaf with no faults benefits so few at the expense of the masses is actually a model for long-term sustainability. People don’t need the royal family (and they obviously don’t have the reach, authority, or command that they Did in prior centuries) and justifying your existence in a way that is the antithesis of being inclusive in an increasingly diverse and multicultural society, well at least they can’t say they didn’t make their own bed and fully lay in it. Nothing that Harry and Meghan said was controversial (unless you have an agenda for wanting it to be), and the fact that those who embolden the royal family treat it as such, let’s just say that might be a Titanic size miscalculation.

    • Nic919 says:

      William and Kate have a painting of a slave boy in their living room. I am sure they agree with the racists denouncing Harry as well. Because to acknowledge his words would also mean some introspection and realizing that they are racist themselves.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Spot on Priscilla. They are the ultimate abusive family. I hope Harry and Meghan have plenty of mental and emotional support from others. This family will never do anything other than the worst possible thing regarding Harry. They are pissed that someone would dare to stop begging for scraps.

      • Nyro says:

        Liz,

        The tabloids have got the royal family by the balls and have for decades. Harry and Meghan are now free of that and the royals hate that fact and will punish them for it. Harry’s “I won’t play that game” was like a declaration of war to these people.

  4. Britt says:

    Everyday since they made the decision to leave and people are seeing them thrive and work without the RF or RR’s, people have lost their minds. Piers Morgan, Angela Levin and various other press people are pushing conspiracy theories. You have Kensington Palace, who is clearly jealous of the Sussexes, trying to follow them to America along with the rest of the stalkerish press. For a couple many seem irrelevant, their haters can’t get enough of them.

    • Ruby_Woo says:

      What Angela Levin said was disgusting!

      • Britt says:

        Truly. She is truly obsessed and like Piers Morgan, obsessed with Harry and Meghan. I think shes truly losing it because her claim to fame was Harry and it seems to have broke her that Harry, her meal ticket, is no longer in Britain and she will likely never see him again.

    • Ginger says:

      Angela Levin is awful. She retweeted a hate account and said Meghan and Harry were not together in the video even though it’s obvious that they were. She is so clearly racist. I have no doubt she makes hate accounts on twitter.

      Didn’t the royal family say that they saw the video and had no issues with it?

      • ABritGuest says:

        yes I think seeing Harry& Meghan together in a video looking happy AND engaging with young leaders about the commonwealth has triggered the crazy trolls, royal experts& reporters etc. Remember they’ve been reporting on how miserable both are in recent weeks.

        Piers Morgan said he wasn’t going to talk about them again but he’s obviously been triggered seeing object of his stalking sitting so close to her husband! And he’s upset his right wing fans recently with anti government broadcasts and tweets so Meghan bashing is a signal to get them back.

        Angela levin& Piers Morgan pushing trolls conspiracies tells me of link between SM trolls& mainstream media& that some reporters likely have anti Meghan burner accounts. Robert Jobson has been found retweeting a troll account before.

      • 809Matriarch says:

        Yes. The royal family said that. But I believe they say that to avoid looking complicit. REmember the Queen said there was precedent for family members to sometimes spend Xmas away from Sandringham and she approved of the Sussex plans. But still a antagonistic avalanche of criticism erupted about the Sussex family “snubbing” the Queen and the DoE, with who knows how many more years left on this mortal coil. Piers Muttbreath unleashed constant attacks about this and other things. If the Queen was really sincere about not minding where the DDoS spent their holiday perhaps a word would have squelched the hatred. But she and her KLAN sat back and watched complacently as everyone from Dicked Neon Tie and Rod Stewart attacked them about their Xmas plans.

        The statement of quiet approval from the Palace is just another fake out. They made their statement so they can look innocent, meanwhile the hounds of hell are unleashed once again.

      • NoWords says:

        Good god, imagine being that immature and petty as a full grown adult. It’s embarrassing. 🤦‍♀️

      • PrincessK says:

        Angela Levin is dreadful. Harry must be bitterly regretting giving her access. She pretended to be like a kind old aunt but she is showing her true colours now.

    • Edna says:

      Everyday more of the RRs lies get exposed. The SussexSquad has connected dots and it appears that William is the source of a lot of the bile. Apparently, Martin Ivens admitted in an article that William said this quote to him over drinks at a pub: “I’ve put my arms around my brother all our lives. I can’t do it anymore.” And yet, Roya Nikkah, was the one who wrote about palace sources telling her that.

      • Nic919 says:

        Really makes you wonder how much of this comes directly from William. Christian Jones still has his job because he clearly is supported by William with the leaks against H and M to the press.

    • Nyro says:

      I think that old creep Angela might be even worse than Piers. Not even Piers has suggested that Meghan didn’t carry Archie. That’s some deep cut B-side Meghan hating right there. I’m convinced that Angela has a mugxit hate account in twitter. She’s constantly interacting with Meghan hating racists like Yankee Wally and Murky Meg. You can’t tell me she doesn’t comment secretly.

      • Nic919 says:

        Piers is a jerk but you can tell he says this stuff because he knows it gets him attention and clicks. Note how he pretended to change positions when it looked like bashing them wasn’t as profitable. Angela Levin seems like she’s actually believes this racist stuff. Not that it makes Piers a good guy, but she is far more disturbing and she’s not disparaged in the media the same way piers is.

      • NoWords says:

        I’ve never heard of this woman (sounds like someone I shouldn’t give attention to) but she doesn’t sound like she’s a part of this reality. Like, if this is her response to losing access to Harry she needs a therapist or something. She seems like a mentally unstable racist.

  5. ziaaa says:

    “There are “calls” for Harry to be stripped of his title.” There are also petitions being filed to call for Harry and Meghan to divorce because apparently, according to royalists, Meghan and her devilry has held hostage, hypnotized, and poisoned the mind of poor Harry. People are actually angry that Harry has moved on from his teenage mess-ups and has evolved into a rational compassionate individual.

    Meanwhile royal reporters are peddling conspiracy theories on social media that Harry has left Meghan and she just gave her message to the QCT with Harry’s hologram/clone. Seriously, I don’t know what is going on over there at that island……

    • Britt says:

      They’re going bonkers. All because their obsessions left the island and they have no access. They’re upset about the dozens of lawsuits and I just saw that the tabloids are cutting jobs. I think the tabloids seem to believe that if Harry and Meghan Just embraced the tabloid media, Therefore those reporters and papers would get worldwide attention especially in America, which is the biggest market, their jobs would be secure. It’s a lot of motives and delusions when it comes to this couple. You would think their livelyhood depended on the Sussexes.

    • NoWords says:

      Um, what? That’s, um… holograms? Wow. If they really believe that they should probably get professional help.

      • Ellen Olenska says:

        Maybe the holograms idea is a Test balloon to see if they can create a hologram of Prince andrew in Woking eating pizza.

      • bettyrose says:

        Wow, that’s some seriously good technology. I mean, they were sitting really close together in that video, so either they were both real or they were both holograms. OMG, what if Meghan is a hologram and never really existed??

      • Ginger says:

        Its so sad what these people want to believe. It’s clear as day that they were together in the video. You can see the shadow on Harry’s shirt from her standing next to him.

  6. Jessica says:

    I feel like they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. No matter what they do, the British press will find a way to spin it negatively.

    • Sarah says:

      That’s exactly what I came here to say, ‘Prince Harry criticised for opening a door/wearing a jacket/driving a car/existing’. Anything they do will be spun into the most AWFUL thing every to happen to Britain/the royal family/etc. So I applaud them and encourage them to keep living their lives and doing good work!

  7. Nev says:

    Go on Duke!!!

  8. S808 says:

    Don’t quote me but I’m pretty sure Charles has also spoken about something similar. Not systemic racism but the part Britain played in the commonwealth/imperialism. I’ll have to search. None of what he said hasn’t been said before but talking heads rather be outraged than have a genuine conversation. Makes it hard for any real growth to happen.

    • Priscila Bezerra-Fischer says:

      The Windsors do not want people to grow, to change or evolve. They want things to remain the same, people to know their places and to bow to them. That is literally what they want: to keep surviving in a world that does not need Kings and Queens anymore.

      .

    • Becks1 says:

      Yup, and it wasn’t that long ago. I don’t think he apologized, but he spoke about the slave trade and acknowledged what an atrocity it was when he was in Ghana in 2018.

    • truthSF says:

      Charles did back in 2018! Let’s be honest, Harry would’ve been praised for making these comments….if only he wasn’t working with and supporting his biracial Black wife while doing so!

      Honestly, I’m so glad H & M got those KP/CH/BM/RR to reveal so much of their racism just by hating Meghan so much! It helps for the rest of the (open-minded) world to see who’s really the problem within the Royal family!!

    • Penguin says:

      He was actually universally panned for that speech in the British media. Hence why he’s not made another similar speech since.

    • Harla says:

      Here is part of his quote that I got from the MadaboutMeghan blog.

      “Only two years ago, Prince Charles, in a landmark speech from Ghana, described Britain’s involvement in the “abject horror” of the transatlantic slave trade as an “appalling atrocity” that left an “indelible stain” on the world.”

  9. Valiantly Varnished says:

    There is a saying, “hit dogs holler”. Which essentially means that a person or group gets defensive when a statement applies to them. And the royal courtiers and racist Brits are howling.

  10. Becks1 says:

    I mean, I can’t even with these people sometimes. Harry says its going to be uncomfortable but necessary and people act like he said the Queen should be drawn and quartered or something.

    I realize part of it is the RRs just waiting to jump on anything he says, and I understand that conversations about race are uncomfortable, but get a hold of yourself british media and twitter.

    (side note: there was a link on medium from one of the participants who said that she found H&M to be very engaged in the conversation etc.)

  11. Sadiebelle says:

    The newspapers here are outraged – outraged! – at Harry’s comments. I think it was the Daily Mail who likened it to a hostage video. But… not a whisper about Prince Andrew allowing Ghislane and Kevin Spacey to pose on the thrones. It’s amazing.
    I have an acquaintance who hates Meghan to a crazed degree, but when Andrew’s many faults, failings, and crimes are pointed out simply says ‘what did you expect?’
    There are statues coming down, and people of all colours are acknowledging racism and saying Black Lives Matter. But the xenophobia runs deep, and as a (white) immigrant I’m often told it’s not my place to speak. Grrrr.

    • Calibration says:

      @sadie there was the ‘body language expert’ saying he looked trapped or something? Dumbest thing ever. I have a, crazed Meg hater friend too. She’s in her 60s and is politically extremely conservative. She also reads the Mail every day

      • Ginger says:

        No, the body language article said Harry and Meghan are so in love, etc…a very nice article on them from the DM which is odd. It was deleted and replaced with the hostage video. Someone must have called them to replace it.

      • 809Matriarch says:

        There were two articles. I guess the first one, where the body language expert simply stated the obvious was unacceptable. The very next day, they had an article by body language hack Judi James who along with other social media observers said Harry looked like he was being held hostage.

        What a clown show. Two back to back articles from the same paper? They don’t even realize how crazy it looks as long as the lemmings keep buying the BS.

  12. Ruby_Woo says:

    The initial pile-on was by Andrew Neil on Twitter who works for the BBC.

    It was so painful to watch! They twisted it into Harry attacking the commonwealth – the trickery!

    On a good note, apparently the Royal Family are reviewing all their objects to see which ones have a link to slavery, lol.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Did they start with the picture in the Cambridge’s Kensington Palace drawing room?

      • Ruby_Woo says:

        Lol, lets hope so!

      • C-Shell says:

        Or the lamp in Camilla’s front hall that was pictured in a magazine?

      • Mary says:

        I could NOT believe it when I saw a picture of that lamp at Ray Mill. And, Camilla happily shows it off for a magazine??!! She knows of the racist connotations, especially after Princess Michael’s Blackamoor brooch fiasco. BTW, there is another suspicious looking object on the landing in that same photo!

        That photo really makes me shake my head. It is like those people flashing the white power sign on camera to their buddies. Do they think we can’t see them?

      • L4frimaire says:

        That lamp looks like a body hanging. It’s utterly disgusting and why anyone would want that in their house is both gross, and just tacky.

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        Please, where can I see this lamp? I know a little about art history and I’m trying to picture which time period and artist would have produced such a monstrosity.

    • Jaded says:

      Well they should get Princess Michael’s blackamoor brooch away from her ASAP.

      • Peony_Wise says:

        Sorry to break it to you, but the brooch Princess Michael wore is NOT a derogatory ‘blackamoor’ brooch. That is a completely mistaken and false reading. As humans, we know next to nothing about human history, to our own unfortunate detriment. I know this because I looked into the brooch’s history and origins.

        An article was recently written that included an interview with the Venetian jeweler who crafted the brooch. It is a celebratory depiction of an ancient Moorish prince. It is not made as a caricature. I will try to locate the article and link it. Or just search for it: haaretz.com “Why the world got the ‘racist’ jewelry wrong.”

        Most likely Princess Michael is unaware of the brooch’s actual history and meaning too. I’m suspicious of her motivations in wearing it. Still, if you check out the article I mentioned, you will see a gorgeous close-up color photograph of the brooch in all its exquisite, finely-crafted detail. Its true meaning is NOT derogatory.

      • Nic919 says:

        A white woman whose father was an actual nazi was not wearing that brooch to honour an ancient Moorish prince. She was objectifying a person of colour and doing that to insult Meghan. She named her dogs Serena and Venus. Her only intent was racist and that brooch should be in a museum not worn by a hateful racist troll.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Peony, if you need to do this whole explanation, there is a problem. Do you think that woman, Princess Michael ( whose name I don’t even know), wore it to be nice? I don’t care how finely crafted it is, it’s offensive and she wore it to be that way. Interesting how it’s always this ancient noble Moor, but they can’t give a living Black person in the family even a hint of respect and kindness. They can shove that finely crafted brooch.

      • anotherlily says:

        ‘Blackamoor art’ depicts African figures, usually male and in subservient roles – e.g. holding up a lamp or table or a tray. They were fashionable during the 17th and 18th century when many wealthy European households had African slaves as servants. These servants were often dressed in exotic stylised ‘African’ outfits. Jewellery was a further development of this. It is now regarded as racist because of its connection to slavery and subservience.

        Princess Michael and her ‘blackamoor brooch’ were widely reported as a racist insult to Meghan. One published comment I recall from that time came from a taxi driver who said he’d picked up a couple outside Buckingham Palace that day and on the journey they’d talked about the ‘atrocious behaviour’ of Princess Michael during the lunch. According to one of the press accounts Prince Harry had taken Meghan for a walk in the gardens. My impression is that the brooch was a calculated insult to Meghan, that Princess Michael was personally offensive to her and that Meghan and Harry walked out of the party because of this.

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        Thank you for the information, Peony, from an art perspective. I’d doubted from its appearance that the piece itself was racist- it was obviously representing a nobleman- however, we know the owner and her intent, and she is absolute trash. Made the mistake of buying one of her history books years ago and this was immediately evident.

  13. Eleonor says:

    Britain has a Royal Family which is the personification of racism, classism and entitlement, in one word: discrimination.
    Good luck trying to tell them to aknowledge their priviledges.

    • NoWords says:

      That’s literally my entire problem with what Harry – and ONLY Harry – said. He isn’t acknowledging HIS past racism, he isn’t acknowlegedging HIS white privilege, he isn’t acknowledging HIS royal privileges, he isn’t acknowledging how HE is one of the greatest examples, in the world, of a person benefiting from the atrocities committed across the globe to POC. But all he has to say is “somebody, somewhere…”? I’m just not impressed. He, William etc preach on about stuff they all do. Until they do what they are telling us to do I’m only hear to listen to people like Meghan.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        I don’t really know what else you expect him to do? He is married to a black woman, he’s has left the royal family and is speaking out against racism (despite plenty of expected criticism). What else are you hoping to see from him?

      • nvyWife says:

        @bella maybe stop taking his daddies money? Money that is earned from exactly what he’s speaking out against? Maybe renounce his title, the ultimate sign of unearned privilege? Or do the bare minimum and acknowledge just how much HE has gained or been handed? That seems to be the biggest issue from the comments I’ve seen (not here obviously or the DM but other gossip sites). Hes not acknowledging how much he himself has benefited but seems ok with calling others out.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Well, I see where you guys are coming from, but I feel like he’s tacitly admiting/admited that he’s a beneficiary of the system.

        But actually, moving beyond Harry, I think we really should be careful about these really stringent purity tests that we apply to allies. I feel like this is a monumental fight and the other side is fighting very hard and very dirty indeed. I would much rather have a half-ally than a full on enemy and in the fight against racism, there are enemies everywhere.

        If you’re expecting people to give up *all* of their privileges in order to be an ally, we will have very, very few indeed and we have to be realistic about that. Some of these people (potential allies, not Prince Harry) need to take baby steps forward and then firm up their stances over time. Lets let them. Not because it’s right or even fair, but because it’s a war and we need everyone we can get fighting this scourge together, or at the very least, for them to stand to the side and not join the other side.

        For instance, I can’t staaaaannnnddd William. He’s absolute poison. But if he gave a talk against racism or spoke up for BLM, I would grit my teeth and swallow my opinion because you can’t punish people for doing the right thing, even when they are terrible people. If you do, you’ll chase away other people from starting to take that step towards equality. That’s just my own little opinion, obviously.

      • Jaded says:

        @NoWords and nvyWife: He’s not taking daddy’s money. They are independent now. He is including himself in wanting people to come together and realize how deep-rooted white privilege is, not just “calling others out”. Sh*tting all over him is a childish reaction and I don’t see any relevant opinions from you or others on what he should do that he hasn’t already done. Give back the money he inherited? Sure, that would really work, sending it back to the royal family. Give it all away to charity? Sure that would really work because he wouldn’t be able to afford to create a charitable foundation to actually do some meaningful work. Oh, and he’d probably get himself and his wife killed if he didn’t have enough money to afford security.

        He’s married to a bi-racial woman whom he adores and is happy for the first time in his life that he’s doing meaningful work. He’s actually putting his money where his mouth is.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Just to add, my father used to say to us that “you can be right or you can win”. And I’ve found this to be true in my life. Being right and winning are two completely different things and require different strategies.

        In my very humble opinion, I think you guys are absolutely “right”, but I’m not convinced it’s the right approach to “win” the fight against racism. I hope that makes sense.

      • El says:

        @NoWords, @nvyWife
        Yes, all of this. I tried to articulate the same point under the initial article. “Someone somewhere” is actually a cop out, if you look at this rationally. You’re the ROYAL white privilege, personified, but sure, let’s talk about everyone else first, God forbid we upset Betty.

      • El says:

        @Bella DuPoint
        you make a good point too

      • El says:

        @Jaded
        No one is sh*tting on him, people are allowed to disagree, no need to make them sound spiteful for it.
        I see a relevant opinion, the same that has been offered to white people here over and over again: stop talking, sit down and listen. Meghan can do the talking. Feel free to stand by to show support.
        And yes, quite frankly, I’d rather Harry gave his money to charity. He has no education or real qualification to be truly useful to any charity, aside from being a prince. Meaning – he’s only relevant due to the massive privilege he was born with, not due to skills or education. The fact that we’d rather hear from Harry than from some relevant PhD is a symptom (of celebrity culture) to treat, not a mindset to perpetuate.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Ah the tumblr trolls have arrived grinding the same axe.

      • GuestWho says:

        Not for nothing…but Harry has acknowledge his past racism, and he has acknowledge his unconscious bias, and he has acknowledged his privilege. He’s not a perfect person, but he is one who is obviously open to and making an effort to change his world view.

        @El – you spend too much time trolling for people to take what you say as constructive.

      • Peony_Wise says:

        Thanks @Bella Dupont and others for delineating what Harry is doing that matters, and for making the distinction that constructing ‘allyship’ purity tests is non-productive.

        All those giving Harry side-eye, some of whom appear to be trolling, please provide us with your credentials. IOW, are you putting your money and your time where your mouth is?

        It’s easy for all of us to sound off on social media. Meanwhile, it takes rare courage to do the out front advocating and passionate speaking out that Harry and Meghan are doing, along with their volunteer work and fundraising for worthy causes.

      • Jaded says:

        @EI – some of the worst people I’ve known are PhD’s. Arrogant, tunnel-visioned and smug. You don’t need a bunch of degrees to do good work. His qualifications come from his military work – both in the field and off – he’s done two tours of duty and has found his niche using his good fortune to help those less fortunate, especially those who have suffered horrific injuries and PTSD as a result of their military duty. Give it a rest OK?

  14. ABritGuest says:

    Meghan said uncomfortable conversations need to be had but typically white& British fragility is trying to prevent any discussion.

    It’s interesting as the discussion was about acknowledging the past which people in the royal family have done before. Thanks Nobody said zip when Charles talked about UK’s involvement in slavery in Ghana two years ago but guess it’s because he’s not a ‘race traitor’ like Harry. I already mentioned my reservations on Harry talking about people benefiting from a system without noting how he’s a key beneficiary& acknowledging again his past behaviour. However I appreciate it’s a difficult balance without throwing family under the bus& probably distracting from the broader conversation which is what the media want.

    Brits are very misinformed about atrocities of slavery, colonisation& empire because of the education system& empire& colonisation are regarded as good things by many Brits. I really despair at the lack of nuance in mainstream media conversations about race, empire etc in Britain.

    • Alexandria says:

      And detractors also miss the point that this is uncomfortable exactly because they are still part of the royal family. HM especially Harry acknowledge their privilege but nooooooooo they cannot even do that.

      The British colonisers are also responsible for perpetuating the myth that my minority group is lazy. It’s 2020, yup. And the law prosecuting homosexual sex (specifically men having sex with men) was enacted by our colonial masters. That law is still here!

      • Penguin says:

        How do their acknowledge their privilege though? By saying so? Is the bar really that low?

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Penguin, sometimes its best not to click and comment in a thread if you so repulsed by the mere topic or subject of said thread. Last day, you posted several posts of how Harry or any white person have no place in discussions about racism, systemic or otherwise. Many pro “ALL should be involved in this discussion” were vigorously challenged by you and another poster for over 15 posts, which was okay. IMVHO, same arguments brought to yet another thread word for word is pointless. You made your point yesterday in the last thread; what’s the point of repeatedly posting the same thing over and over and over countless times on countless threads?

      • NoWords says:

        Harry said “somebody.” He didn’t talk about his privilege. In fact, I’ve never heard ANY of them acknowledge their privilege because if it did that would mean they’d have to come to terms with the fact that everything they have has been built off the backs of people from Africa, Asia, the Pacific, and the Americas.

      • Alexandria says:

        Penguin, as far back as May 2016 he has been aware of his privileges as a Prince and he started channeling that privilege into the military community first. Now he wants to do the same for minority communities. A white person like him who is not aware of his privilege, will not acknowledge bias or speak of systemic racism. They will likely say things like AllLivesMatter and racism bores them.

        “But what I learned through serving was that the extraordinary privileges of being a Prince gave me an extraordinary opportunity to help my military family.”

        Even in July 2019, he talks about unconscious bias because of what you’re exposed to as you grew up. Harry has grown. William and the rest of the BRF have not. Unfortunately, Harry is now going through the immediate and nasty impact of racism after marrying Meghan. As one Celebitchy poster put it, Harry wouldn’t be the first white person to marry outside their race and discover that his family harbored racist tendencies towards their significant other.

        So you think this is a low bar. Fine. I say white movers and shakers of the world need to start this conversation because they can shift the paradigm. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. These 2 do not have to do all these. They do not have to raise talking points. They can do nothing and earn from their royalty cheques and inheritance. I cannot even say with certainty I can do the same if I had their wealth. But they don’t just sit back and relax. And they still get attacked for trying to do some good in the world. For trying to be an ally.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I see the tumblr trolls are back.

      • Jaded says:

        @Penguin and NoWords – you really are tilting at windmills here. We are an educated bunch and don’t post comments without solid back-up as you may have noticed. Just go back to tumblr.

      • NoWords says:

        Jaded & Nota,

        I don’t really know why “Go back to tumblr” is your response to anyone who you disagree with. I don’t have a tumblr or know how it works because I don’t do social media so telling me to go back there is irrelevant. I’m sorry my belief that the people who have benefitted from exploiting POC. All I want is members of the BRF (H included) to say, “yep, we benefit. Yep we have done racist things but here’s how we’ve grown and changed blah blah blah.” Seems more meaningful than generalities because maybe it could help other white people 🤷‍♀️

      • NoWords says:

        Alexandria,

        When people say “All Lives Matter” they betray their own argument because to say that they HAVE to believe Black Lives Matter. It might literally be one of the stupidest rebuttals to something I’ve ever heard. I like pointing this out and watching their heads explode.

      • notasugarhere says:

        NoWords, when brand new fonts arrive on here, grinding a particular axe and with no logical backup to what they’re writing? Long-time posters on here recognize them for what they are – Meghan-hating racist trolls who have escaped from tumblr.

  15. Mez says:

    ‘Performatively woke.’ Ouch.

    • Exhausted says:

      ??? Lol.coming from those boarding school elitists who won’t acknowledge its past? It doesn’t sting, just means that they have hit a nerve. Charles has spoken about similar stuff yet they are unboathered by it. Its funny how Brits think that harry and Meghan lecture them but everyone else is raising an issue. Like how they mention Tyler’s house like the rf are slumming it. I guess H&M are powerful after all since nothing they have said is groundbreaking.

      • Ruby_Woo says:

        I saw a funny tweet about how the ‘British love to lecture on not being lectured’.

        No one is holding a gun to head to listen.

        And to dismiss a woman who’s been racially abused and parents who’s child was compared to a chimp as ‘performing’ – there is no empathy.

  16. aquarius64 says:

    The idiot RRs are cutting off the Windsor nose to spite the monarchy’s face. Head of the Commonwealth is a position that is voted on by 53 countries; the British sovereign doesn’t automatically get the title. Some of those countries are majority minority. Apparently the Sussexes appeal to a diverse population. Keep this up and the vote may swing to not support Charles or William.

    • Ruby_Woo says:

      What are the requirements for being Head of Commonwealth? Do you have to be part of the Royal Family; who votes?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        No you do not have to be a member of the British Royal Family to be Head of the Commonwealth. The member states of the Commonwealth can chose whomever they want as their “Head”.

      • Exhausted says:

        In Charles case your mother has to practically beg for you to become the head. Meaning that without her, we will see if the RF is as powerful as they think they are. It seems like people don’t want to upset the old lady.

    • Edna says:

      This is what gets me. It shows clear cognitive dissonance to not connect how your actions, words and thoughts play out throughout the Commonwealth that is compromised of a majority of people of color. What Harry said is true and makes total sense yet the Colonizers are upset and ranting against it. What message is that sending to Commonwealth members and obviously the British don’t care how it’s received.

    • Harla says:

      The Commonwealth already voted to have Charles as it’s next head a few years ago, after much lobbying by the Queen.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They can vote to remove-and-replace him at any time. I expect they will immediately after the Queen passes.

  17. anotherlily says:

    The Queen is Head of the Church of England. In 2018 on the 70th anniversary of the arrival of HMS Windrush, General Synod voted to apologize to Commonwealth citizens for the racism many have experienced in the UK.

    ” .. noting with joy the 70th anniversary of the arrival of the Empire Windrush liner in the United Kingdom in June 1948 bringing nearly 500 Commonwealth citizens, mainly from the Caribbean, to mainland UK; and the eventual arrival of approximately half a million people from the West Indies, who were called to Britain as British subjects to help rebuild the post-war United Kingdom: ………………… a) lament, on behalf of Christ’s Church, and apologises for, the conscious and unconscious racism experienced by countless black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) Anglicans in 1948 and subsequent years, when seeking to find a spiritual home in their local Church of England parish churches…”

    Commonwealth citizens were invited to the UK after WW11. They were needed in manufacturing, in building, in transport and also in the new National Health Service. Many were Anglicans and expected to be able to worship in their parish churches. Instead, they were turned away. A 1950s TV news report shows a local vicar saying that he couldn’t let these people join the church and take communion because they were “swinging around in trees” a few generations back. In other words, descended from apes. Thiswas the attitude of slave traders.

    Acknowledging that racism exists is not political and if the Queen cannot give a lead in this then she is not fit for purpose and should stand down for Charles to take over.

    • Mignionette says:

      @anotherliliy I have been saying the very same thing.

      I have never understood how denouncing racism is political, because that in itself suggests that equality for POC and eradicating anti-blackness is up for debate.

      I have noticed however in the UK the alarming trend of allowing far right pundits like Katie Hopkins to sit in on TV debates thereby normalising hate of all kinds. They even described one extremists as a ‘anti anti-racism activist’. Essentially a pro racism activist if such a thing legitimately exists even within the confines of UK law.

      On a practical note I am not sure how well it would go down for Lilibet to speak to the great unwashed re slavery. The Queen’s mother was from a wealthy industrialist Scot’s family that depended on slavery for wealth. The messaging therefore would look awful coming from the ultimate family of colonizers.

      I do think however that Harry and Meghan are the right people to speak on racism given they’ve literally had to leave Little Britain to escape it. I wish those two nothing but the best for making Lilibet and her clan squirm on a daily basis as they ring their hands laden with white fragility.

  18. Marjorie says:

    What Harry said is the most important thing a royal has done since his mother hugged an AIDS patient.

    • Mara says:

      It will be insteresting to see what the impact is. Do you think it will put pressure on the Royal Family to talk more about the uncomfortable issues or to double down into white fragility?

      • Alexandria says:

        Likely no it won’t. They are set in their ways and their strategy is to put their heads in the sand and attack through the press and courtiers.

    • MA says:

      +1 Yes his statements were imperfect and he isn’t the perfect ally but that’s the case for any famous white ally I’ve seen. And yes nothing he said was revolutionary. BUT look at the waves it caused, the thousands of right wing brains exploding, the media attention. Just mild steps in this direction speak volumes because of who he is and what he represents.

  19. cisne says:

    when i looked at their (H&M) video clips from this QCT event I knew right away the backlash would be real. In the press and among the racist know it all experts nbd pundints would be in a tizzy …and here they are…

    It also provides a distraction for the pedo Andy and worthless Cambridges. I hope this duty in public press especially unscripted is their last for the year…because i need to have them provide no nore cover for the corrupted RF nor fodder for the equally carnal BP.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      The silver lining is that Harry and Meghan are *absolutely* on the right side of history, while the BRF and their attack dogs, the BM are on the wrong, very ugly side of history. This will all age horribly for them, i guarantee it.

  20. Mumbles says:

    What Harry and Meghan said was correct. Harry’s family benefitted economically from this racism. I assume he’ll put his money where his mouth is, and refuse any financial support from his family immediately and now – not eventually.

    And while it’s never too late to be right, I’m curious as to when they arrived at this realization.

    • 809Matriarch says:

      He has already put his money where is mouth is. I assure you, they are not hurting financially. They just don’t put all their business in the street. They can actually keep some of their private affairs private now, since they are away from that dreadful Island full of snoopy trolls.

    • Penguin says:

      He won’t refuse any financial support or refuse his inheritance from his aristocrat mother or his great-grandmother. Saying that we have all benefited from it when he is the one rolling in millions is a bit disingenuous.

      • 809Matriarch says:

        He has already put his money where is mouth is. I assure you, they are not hurting financially. They just don’t put all their business in the street. They can actually keep some of their private affairs private now, since they are away from that dreadful Island full of snoopy trolls.

      • NoWords says:

        See, this is why I’m only interested in what Meghan has to say. I’m not interested in listening to Harry say “somebody somewhere benefits.” He is literally one of those somebodies, one of the greatest examples too. Yet, I only hear him speak in generalities. I want him to actually acknowledge HIS privilege. I want him to say “I have always benefited from the horrors of colonization. I have racist incidents in my past. I recognize this and my position in the world.” But I don’t think we will hear anything like that from him. So unless that happens I’m only here for Meghan and her experiences.

        Also, I wish we lived in a world where Liz, Charles, William, Harry etc., were never heard of. The monarchy should’ve died out a long time ago. Every one of them benefits from their ancestors ravaging place where POC live. I’m so sick of all those idiots, Harry included, hypocritically lecturing us plebs about the very crap they engage in and benefit from.

      • 809Matriarch says:

        Well who made you the successor to Miss Cleo? Hmm? At least Harry’s money and substantial resources are constantly being put to use by helping others. What the heck are most of his critics doing? He founded Sentebale, he founded the Invictus Games, and actually went on a grueling Walking With the Wounded trek in the arctic to help hurting veterans. He doesn’t have to do what the Lord has called him to do just because he hurt somebody’s racist feelings. You sound like the Devil telling Jesus, “If you are the son of God throw yourself down from this great height.” Your dumb idea that if Harry is serious, he should do this, that or the other. Nope. I and many other people of color see you and others like you for what you are trying to do and we don’t buy it. Harry don’t stop! Keep working! Keep talking! You too Meghan!

      • BabsORIG says:

        Aaaaaweeee, @809matriarch, I really love your post (@0921HRS) and I wish I could marry it, LOL. And as a WOC, I’m so f-ing tired,— tired of SOME POC “lecturing” about who is fit to and should be involved in this racism discussion and who isn’t/shouldn’t.

      • Jaded says:

        @Penguin – his mother may have been an aristocrat but the work she did made history. – banning landmines, HIV/AIDS awareness and research, leprosy awareness and research, supporting homeless shelters, work with sick and dying children through a number of hospitals and hospices, etc. etc. Had she lived she would have been front and centre working to raise awareness of endemic racism and BLM.

        In all your posts you’ve not come up with anything other than bitter kvetching. Harry didn’t choose to be born royal, however he has chosen to go against the grain and use his money and celebrity for real philanthropy, not ribbon-cutting and baby-kissing. Sentebale? Walking Wounded? The Warrior Program? Tusk Trust? Well Child? Invictus Games? As I have stated before, do some research before you throw out these comments – Harry didn’t create this problem, he and Meghan are trying to rectify it.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ 809 Matriach

        “If you are the son of God throw yourself down from this great height.”

        EXACTLY!!!!! Your post is 100% spot on. The idea of creating these exacting, almost impossible standards in order to qualify for ally-ship is so damaging and very also unrealistic. You don’t catch flies with vinegar.

      • Olenna says:

        @Penguin, I’m not gonna mince words. You are a troll.

    • Helen says:

      Don’t you ever get tired of consistently having the worst takes, Mumbles?

      • Mumbles says:

        I said that Harry and Meghan were correct. How is that a bad take?

      • Olenna says:

        “I’m curious as to when they arrived at this realization.” That was not half as slick as you thought it was.

    • ABritGuest says:

      If you are genuine about idea of Britain paying for its past including one that Harry’s family has benefited from, then it’s a structural issue which needs to be resolved through Britain paying reparations to the countries it has oppressed and plundered.

    • whateveryousay says:

      You stay exhausting.

      I am sure that Harry and Meghan who have said repeatedly they are going forward on a path to not be taking money from the Queen or Charles will get to it. But they sure as heck have real life security concerns that take precedence. And honestly, screw Charles after it’s come out that Wikileaks was behind most of the crap that was thrown at them. I would take Charles money and put it away for their son and or security costs.

    • MsIam says:

      Racist and bullies are always quick to talk about who should and shouldn’t have agency in talking about these things. You see this tactic used by the right wing commentators on Fox News and other racist media in an attempt to shut down conversation and impede any progress. Because you can bet cash money that all of these folks that are so concerned about “hypocrisy “ and who has the right to speak are not the ones at the table. When you looked at the young leaders from the Commonwealth on the video, people who presumably have skin in the game, none of them seemed bothered by talking to Harry or seemed to have a problem with what he was saying.

    • GuestWho says:

      Well, when the financial support he takes from his father is directly tied to the security of his wife and child, you can bet that he’s going to continue to take it – and he should.

  21. Talie says:

    They are setting it up so that if countries decide to leave the Commonwealth, they can blame Harry and Meghan.

    • Mumbles says:

      Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

      And do “they” (not sure who they are) have such little regard for the governments and people of these countries that they would imply that they would leave the Commonweakth not because of centuries of exploitation, but because Harry and Meghan said something?

    • HeatherC says:

      But I thought they were calling Harry and Meghan “irrelevant” and inconsequential?

      • Desert Lizard says:

        That’s only until the RF and the RR can find something to blame them for. They are only irrelevant until a scapegoat is needed.

  22. Murphy says:

    If they strip him of his title, we’ll start calling him King Harry.

    • Mara says:

      Given that monarchy is inherently an unfair, undemocratic, discriminatory insititution (whatever its form), what do you think of Harry giving up his title alltogether and embracing being Mr Harry Mountbatten-Winsdor (or Sussex)?

      • Prayer Warrior says:

        Wouldn’t he be Harry Wales? Wasn’t that his name through school and in the army? So would they be simply Meghan and Harry Wales? But on the other hand, the DM would spell it Harry Wails, so that’s probably not my best idea ever………

      • notasugarhere says:

        The ‘Wales’ name was related to his father being Prince of Wales at the time. If he hadn’t been given a new title, his name would have changed anyway the moment Charles became king. He wouldn’t keep ‘Wales’ as his name, because that would be implying that he was somehow William’s son.

        After getting the Duke of Sussex title, his name would be Sussex if he was still using that title.

        Mara, they likely are using ‘Mountbatten-Windsor’ as their name now.

      • FicklePickle says:

        Considering it would require a literal act of Parliament, I would be wondering how on Earth either the Sussexes or The Firm had managed to get enough support for something that Parliament would likely consider either a massive waste of time or a dangerous precedent.

    • Mumbles says:

      Given his seemingly bona fide rejection of the Royal titles, why would he want that?

      People don’t need kings or queens (or princes, princesses, dukes, duchesses, etc.) any more.

    • Mary-Katherine Goode says:

      Hmm, I like that idea. “Long live King Henry IX!” would be something that would make a lot of the others jump like scared rats. The two of them have to garner a bit more than just fans before that stage, if it ever came to that, but I do think it is notable that big brother is silent as a tomb on BLM and racism in the UK. Wants badly to be king. Doesn’t know jack about a large chunk of his own people. Won’t accept that the country he shall rule over is no longer a lily white nation state where whites only get to dictate what culture and society should be, evidenced by the company he keeps.

      Sorry, Billy boy: you cannot get away with taking flowers from black people and glad-handing like a politician when you go to South Africa when so many are waking up. The original laws for segregation and apartheid started under BRITISH rule and law. You can’t do that anymore. Closer inspection makes it seem like you think you are taking a trip to EPCOT-you and your wife were even dumb enough to be photographed on a litter carried by brown people and thought that happened in Tuvalu it proves that you would do the same in Africa if someone offered. It is even bloody WEIRD: your own nephew, a child with black blood in his veins who you forsake by your silence, will be better able to understand the difference between a fake Disneyfied tour of SA with loads of butt kissing of the monarchy and the real EPCOT, and the real EPCOT is less likely to deny the truth.. Shit, he at least has parents who will let him GO to Disney as soon as he is old enough and won’t behave like a Catherine Tate sketch-“The HOLIDAY!! It is surrounded by men in MOUSE EARS!!”

      BONUS: I dwell on this: 1922. The 100th anniversary of the foundation of the Irish Free State is in 2 years. Arguably Ireland was the first colony of the UK. They were out of the Commonwealth by 1948. Only three Imperial colonies off the top of my head ever were successful in breaking away, all involved violence: Ireland, the US, and India. The current curriculum in the UK teaches more about Ireland’s fight than anything that happened in either the USA in the 17th-18th century or India from the 18th-20th. Too many brown people, I guess.

  23. MellyMel says:

    The only ppl bothered by this are racists…keep talking Harry!

    • MsIam says:

      Especially the really “clever” racists who want to shut down the conversation by deciding who has the “right” to speak on certain subjects.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Many of whom are brand new trolls who’ve been cluttering up these threads the last couple days. Good news is, people call them out immediately to shut them down.

      • Ginger says:

        This!

      • NoWords says:

        The royals’ entire existance is based on hypocrisy, never acknowledging THEIR privileges be it wealth, race, connections, etc; everything they do feels disingenuous. C was one of the 1st to talk about climate change but has the carbon footprint of a town&says nada. He can go pound sand. Did he acknowledge HIS privilege when talking about racism? No. Pound sand. William says “am bored of racism,” whatever the hell that means, before going back to a painting of slaves–he can go pound sand as well. He also said what = “I teach my kids about the homeless before we go back to our mansions&ask the less fortunate to donate so we don’t have to.” Well, go pound more sand, W.
        I said I think it would be more meaningful for H to talk about his process of growth. Maybe it could help other white people understand how to grow as well.

    • Nic919 says:

      White people are not in a position to criticize Harry for not doing enough because unless you are also willing to give up all the money you got from your parents or the white privilege that gets you a better job than a person of colour then you are a hypocrite as much as Harry on this. And you don’t need to be part of the BRF to have benefitted from white privilege.

      There are valid criticisms that can be made about Harry on what he has done to help rectify racism, but it has to come from someone who hasn’t benefitted from white privilege. So none of the British media that has criticized him so far is any better than him.

      • Becks1 says:

        THANK YOU. If you are white, you have benefited from the systemic racism and white privilege that Harry talked about. So if we are demanding Harry give up his wealth, does that mean we all should be willing to do so – give up the things that we have gained through our white privilege? I imagine many on here criticizing Harry would not do that.

      • notasugarhere says:

        That’s because many on here criticizing Harry are tumblr trolls. Always easy to spot.

    • Jaded says:

      @NoWords: “Pound sand. William says “am bored of racism,” First of all, “pound sand” is a horrible, rude and immature response and one that will get you repeatedly shamed on this site. Second, we’re not talking about William, we’re talking about Harry, who has done a ton of legitimately good work with his so-called privilege. Diana taught her kids about the homeless, had them visiting shelters and spending the night on the street sleeping rough to teach them that lesson. It didn’t seem to sink into William’s brain but it certainly did with Harry.

      Now STOP with the “pound sand” stuff. You are a rude and ill-informed person with a huge chip on your shoulder and unless you can cooperate in an informed and respectful discussion you are not welcome here.

      • NoWords says:

        Jaded, 1: I’m not sure how tell the BRF to screw off/get lost makes me so horrible, immature&rude; they honestly should. Maybe you thought I was directing that at all of you? I checked after your reply to make sure it doesn’t have an -ist roots I was ignorant of. It seems it doesn’t?
        2: I brought W&C up to show my dislike goes beyond H–I’d say he’s the least bad out of the born members. His wife on the other hand? M is too good for them&I’m glad she said “nope” to their BS. She deserves better than the BRF.
        3: My opinion differs but I’ve never attacked/been disrespectful to anyone here, even in response to direct insults like, “You are a rude and ill-informed person.” I may have a chip on my shoulder with the blood royals but I’d say everyone here has a chip on their shoulder with 1< member. Mine just happens to be for all of them. Now to quote my all time favorite movie: "I blow my nose at you, so-called "Elizabeth Queen."

      • Jaded says:

        @NoWords – stop. Just stop. The BRF is horrible, the Queen is horrible. The Cambridges are horrible. Andrew is horrible. Meghan and Harry are not and your constant attacks against them make no sense. Attack the rest of the family all you like, I hate them too. But to attack them when they have shown again and again that they have chosen the right path to follow is just bitter vitriol. Don’t reply to this either, have a good day.

      • NoWords says:

        Jaded:
        I want to respond because I feel like we’re having a misunderstanding. I can’t remember ever attacking M because there’s 0 to attack. I’ve said she’s too good for the BRF&deserves better though.
        You told me to participate in a respectful discussion or to leave, yet my character has been attacked and I’ve been told to shut up because, even though you and I have the same opinion as you about M and the whole family, I disagree with you to some extent about H.
        I’m sorry I’ve upset you, Jaded; it really wasn’t my intent to cause any sort of tension or issue. I may have expressed my views poorly so in the future just ask me to clarify or say something like, “here’s why I disagree with you.” I’m more than happy to explain better or listen. I’m really not some evil witch or troll haha. And I think that we probably agree on a lot more than it appears right now so I hope we can try again on a better foot! I hope you have a good evening

  24. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    And this is why there’s a problem, why there’s always been a problem and why it’s called systemic. If you’re white, living a fabulous happy life and you have a problem with these words, then yes, you should be worried about your position. But if you’re white, living a fabulous happy life and you take pause to digest somber truths, recognize needs for change and welcome long-overdue transitions and shifts, then no. You have nothing to worry about. It’s quite simple. Be a loud dissenter and lose. Be part of change, love and balance–win. Evolution not revolution.

  25. Harla says:

    Well isn’t this interesting?? Apparently, Harry “gifted” the QCT to the Queen in 2018.

    “The Queen’s Commonwealth Trust was launched to the public on Her Majesty The Queen’s 92nd birthday, 21st April 2018. The Trust was gifted to Her Majesty by The Duke of Sussex in recognition of her lifelong belief in young people as a force for good in the world.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen%27s_Commonwealth_Trust

    • panda says:

      That Wiki section has been flagged as inaccurate because the Queen established the QCT. Harry became involved later when the Queen named him President.

      • Harla says:

        From the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust Instagram:

        “On The Commonwealth’s 70th anniversary, we are also reflecting on an incredible first year for QCT. In April 2018, QCT was presented to Her Majesty by our President, The Duke of Sussex @sussexroyal, in recognition of her lifetime belief in the power of young people to drive positive change.”

    • notasugarhere says:

      Reading their previous report (ending 31 March 2018). It reads to me like the Queen and Harry worked together to create this starting in 2016. That really, they created it together for it to be one of Harry’s flagship projects for the Queen.

  26. Zappy says:

    BRF is racist. I still couldnt believe that a royal family just keep quiet when someone called their family member, a baby, a royal baby, the grandson of the next king, a chimp.
    There was only one explanation for that, for them, I think, Archie is an outsider because he has biracial Mom.
    So of course, for them that commonwealth’s people, the brown and black people are their object that have to bow down to them, and we must be thankfull that they invaded & colonialized our country.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      “I still couldn’t believe that a royal family just keep quiet when someone called their family member, a baby, a royal baby, the grandson of the next king, a chimp.”

      Well, KP already explained to us that they can’t deny stories when they are true. So……you have your answer on what they think about little Archie. 🙂

  27. Vanessa says:

    The royals are only allowed to say something about racism when they say things like I’m bored of racism in sports. And when Kate the great is photography with black kids To proved their not racist . Those Royal reporters and the petty courtiers are just showing the world who the royal family really are at the core a bunch of out touch out dated racist who don’t want to change they don’t need to change because the British public is brainwashed for birth that the royal family are needed . With the whole world watching the royal family still continues to operate in bullying and smeared Meghan and Harry because they dare to stand up for what they believe in . This isn’t not a performance of wokeness by Harry this is a man who benefited from extremely privileged on the backs of the commonwealth countries he able to acknowledge it and work to be better. All this smeared and the British press making this into a scandal they look ridiculously to anyone who is not racist.

  28. Rani says:

    Yeah people in the UK are mad at Harry for acknowledging systemic racism. It’s because people here are in deep denial about the country’s history of empire and colonialism. The education system here does a terrible job of educating the population about their history and you can really see that in the discourse.
    But some of us have criticised Harry for speaking because he does so as a still current member of the Royal family. I know people love him here and I’m sure he’s great and of course he’s done lots of good work, but surely there is no place for royalty if we are talking about real equality. I don’t think that’s a controversial opinion. I think there’s a disconnect between what he’s saying and the life he’s actually living and the benefits that he is currently receiving as a royal. But of course it’s hard to have this conversation while there are loud voices denying even the existence of racism.

    • MsIam says:

      I think you are talking about two different conversations. Really it’s about the economic structure of the whole world because in every country there is some form of economic classism in play. Whether by virtue of birth or political or economic might you will always have those with plenty and those who lack. As for Harry, I don’t think he is claiming to have all of the answers nor should he. But I think he is brave to step out of his Royal bubble and get bricks thrown at him for speaking out.

    • GuestWho says:

      Who benefits if he doesn’t speak?

      If you’re looking for perfect allies, you’re going to be continually disappointed.

  29. L4frimaire says:

    They’re just pissed because Harry said it while married to Meghan. What I find pathetic about this is the refusal to have any real public discourse or debate on this in the UK. It gets shut down and gaslighted very quickly, they bring on a bunch of bloated white men to dismiss it, and then squawk “Empire, the Queen, that was hundreds of years ago,I’m so insulted by the wokes”. Also, H&M were there but the conversation was being had by everyone on that screen. Everyone acts like this is from the distant past but it’s not.My dad is from a Commonwealth country, born in 1950s. When he was a kid, the majority had very limited voting rights, he had to celebrate Empire day, there was only one public high school for black children ( until the mid 1960s), while the private schools were only for whites, with a few black scholarship students. Most of his older siblings only had 6th grade educations and he was the first to go on to high school and higher education. The policy at the time was to give them enough education to be service workers in the newly emerging tourism industry. That was it.To this day, the majority of the wealth is still held by a white elite, or now, multinationals, and our economy is dominated by tourism and offshore banking. There is a real brain drain and immigration. This stuff doesn’t just go away with independence and a few elections. The vestiges are still there. Anyway, the Brits need to take several seats on this and get over themselves and their intransigence.

    • Nic919 says:

      In Canada, the white British did not have to even bother becoming Canadian citizens until the 1970s when they were finally placed on par with immigrants from the rest of the countries. (Pierre Trudeau overhauled the Immigration and Citizenship to make it more equitable). The British had special status here and often were given better positions than the Canadians, especially those who didn’t have a WASP ethnic heritage. So the legacy of colonialism lasted in Canada even as late as then and Canada is a majority white country. The British are just now having to deal with a level playing field and it bothers them to do this. Especially as the UK is a shadow of what it was in the early 1900s and now they have to be subordinate to other more dominant cultures and economies.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Same here. A British person could come in and have full voting rights the next day, think until the late 60s. And another colonial relic was you could vote in any district you owned property in, which of course favored the wealthy, and a corporation also had a vote. Very similar to early American law when at first, only white male property owners had the vote. We still have a lot of old colonial laws on the books that no one has bothered to review and gotten rid of. I read somewhere that Ireland was finally getting rid of some old and antiquated laws from the British period a few years ago, and some were really weird and backwards.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Mediocrity has killed/is killing the U.K. but we’re far too arrogant to see it.

    • A says:

      In India, the British had a policy of shutting out the local population from ascending to positions of higher authority within the colonial administration. They did this for the specific purpose of keeping power out of their hands. Most of the lower ranks of the administration were filled with locals, but the higher positions in the civil service, the police, and the military were all filled by white British people.

      This left a great deal of qualified people unable to climb the ranks beyond a certain point, and the same policy was then used as a justification to explain why the Indian people weren’t fit to rule themselves and therefore needed the British to do it.

  30. HK9 says:

    “The British Empire has no dirty secrets” Hmm, well I guess so because they openly built it for fee on the backs of black and brown people, through blood soaked colonialist dealings, with lots of rape and murder thrown in for good measure. To say those secrets are ‘dirty’ doesn’t even come close. These people must be joking. Harry spoke the truth and I respect him for it.

  31. Lisa says:

    Harry and Meghan said what needed to be said and I applaud them for it even though they knew there would be criticism.

  32. Kem says:

    I hope there’s more to come, because we have had many acknowledgements over the years. What we want are reparations. And to remove them as our head of state.

  33. Mariane says:

    Those dissecting his words and making speaking up against racism “political” aught to be ashamed with themselves. They’re practically announcing their disapproval of the call for equality and accountability in relation to police brutality. It says alot how majority British papers are adopting this whilst almost everywhere in the world they are praising the sussexs especially harry for making this comment as a royal born.

    The palace thinks this will “die down” after awhile particularly as British press stopped reporting on BLM protests (which are still going strong throughout the UK). I’m glad H&M spoke with QCT as it now put spotlight on commonwealth countries to join the discussion and perhaps demand changes. Already Jamaica and other counties seized using that racist medal and now some are calling for reforms and recognising the history of the Empire and what was taken from colonies

    • A says:

      Britain got off relatively lucky. They’re lucky that there aren’t more nations around the world demanding restitution and reparations. They’re lucky people think they’re that quirky little podunk island off of the coast of Europe with the funny hats and the police boxes. Much like the Queen, they’ve skated on a relatively benign reputation that doesn’t come close to the truth. They’re lucky to escape the accountability that comes with reckoning with their history. They are not fit to cope with their truth, but they’ll have to at some point.

  34. Alexandria says:

    Seems like maybe both of them should just retire from the public eye, give up all their charity work. It would be saner and safer for them. Let the BRF do their thing. Since the UK wants to keep them that’s who they deserve.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Why should Harry and Meghan stop doing charity work they enjoy, work they find important and meaningful? Because racist trolls want them to? All the more reason to work hard and thrive as global humanitarians.

      • Alexandria says:

        So much hate…so much burden on them to always say the right thing…they have to please all parties while Andrew walks free. His own brother backstabs him and takes the side of the vengeful media. His dad and grandma says nothing. The haters wanted Meghan to miscarry…It’s just sad! The press would not be easy but where is the fairness…

        Sorry I’m just depressed right now. It’s me.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It isn’t you, Alexandria, I think it is the situation coupled with the overall state of the world. I’m limiting the news I look at now, trying to encounter less of all the horrible things going on.

      • NoWords says:

        Aw, Alexandria, no need to apologize! It’s a really hard/scary/painful time right now. Depression is a PITA and it’s not your fault. Your feelings/emotions are valid and it’s okay to not be okay; at least that’s what I tell myself when MDD&GAD are kicking my butt like they are today. Sending virtual hugs! We’ve got this!

    • Jaded says:

      Well that’s just dumb. It’s not just the UK they’re working for it’s the entire world. Retire? Run away and live life as rich toffs? Hardly, they were born to do this work. It’s what gives them hope and meaning.

  35. Curryong says:

    One of the young participants in the Queen’s Commonwealth discussion , a woman of colour from the Bahamas, speaks about Harry and Meghan joining the video with them.

    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a33248588/meghan-markle-prince-harry-racial-justice-call-calm-comment/

    • NoWords says:

      Thank you for sharing this!!!! I loved her “Zora” article. I wish more mainstream outlets were picking her piece up instead of the RRs. It’s not the idiotic Royal Reporters’ articles that should be making waves. It’s articles like Alicia’s, that should take center stage.

    • Thirtynine says:

      That interview has been picked up in a few places. I was glad to see it.

  36. A says:

    “The British empire has no dirty secrets.” Oh??? So is the British government, the Foreign office, and the Commonwealth office going to commit to a sincere effort to be transparent in providing access to “”sensitive”” paperwork and documentation from Britain’s former colonial govts that they continued to hide and deny for decades?

    Is Britain going to open an honest investigation into the allegations of collusion between the British armed forces, British intelligence, and loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland during the Troubles? Will it investigate up the chain of command and hold the necessary people accountable for their actions?

    Will Britain reassess the way they teach, talk about and look back on the British empire to include a more diverse range of perspectives from people aside from just the British?

    What’s that???? No they won’t???? They’re just gonna act like butthurt eejits abt the fact that they’re being called racist, thereby proving literally everyone’s point about their racism????? Okay then.

  37. blunt talker says:

    The Uk is scared, upset, and afraid that the Commonwealth Countries will leave-this is about money and power-With Brexit winding down-they are trying to make deals with these countries to stay afloat financially during this pandemic-they think Harry and Meghan are hurting this process. The way they are acting about the Sussex comments shows the world that they have not evolved or matured since the 1600’s. If they cannot admit the mistakes of the past the going forward into the future will be very painful. Those protests in the Uk are happening for a reason. They need to look in the mirror and search their souls/hearts.

  38. Jenilee says:

    That screen shot. I can’t. All focus on Meghan.