I believe a lot of somewhat contrarian things about Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. “Contrarian” to the gossip narrative, I mean. The gossip narrative is that Kim is controlling Kanye or not controlling him enough, that his mental illness is her fault and her responsibility, that she and her family use Kanye for fame, and that if Kim ever left him, her fame and finances would collapse. I don’t believe ANY of that. If Kim left Kanye today, she would be fine. Her businesses would be fine, and they might even improve. She would still be incredibly famous – we would just stop calling her “Kanye’s wife” and start calling her “Kanye’s ex-wife.” That’s it. That’s all that would happen to Kim. I even think that given the extensive documentation of Kanye’s mental illness, Kim would not have an issue getting full custody of their children. Plus, she’s tight with the entire LA legal community through her late father. Basically, Kim could divorce Kanye and come out ahead in nearly every way.
So the question becomes, why hasn’t she left him? I don’t know, honestly. I think she cares about him and even loves him. I think they made some kind of deal in late 2016/early 2017 following his breakdown (which required hospitalization) in which she wouldn’t divorce him but they would lead mostly separate lives. We also know around that time, she did consult with divorce attorneys, but she decided to stick it out. And finally, we know that whenever Kanye goes through a publicly manic phase, Kim basically calls up TMZ and offers up thoughts and prayers.
Kanye West’s off-the-rails campaign stop Sunday in North Charleston, South Carolina may not only hurt Ye politically, he has concerned, upset and alarmed many of his friends and the Kardashians … sources connected to Kanye tell TMZ. Our sources say those around him believe Kanye is in desperate need of professional help and is in the middle of a serious bipolar episode, but he won’t listen to them.
We’re told they also believe Kanye is tanking some of his businesses, if not all of them, with rants like when he went on about Harriet Tubman, claiming she did not free slaves. His family and friends know comments like these are the things that trigger boycotts.
Suffice it to say … we’re told the family is upset that Kanye talked about Kim’s first pregnancy and how they discussed abortion, something he says he wanted. Then he blurted out that Kim might divorce him for saying that, but even if she does, he’d thank her for having North. It’s curious he mentioned divorce … it’s usually a topic married folk don’t say out loud unless it’s been discussed. Whether it was or not … between Kanye’s Forbes interview and Sunday’s rally … you gotta think it puts a strain on the relationship.
BTW … we’re told there’s not much concern that Kanye’s comments will adversely affect Kim’s businesses. We’re told their money is separate and her and Kanye’s brands are distinguishable. Finally, we’re told his family and friends are also upset because they feel Kanye is a distraction to what is a very important election.
Yeah. Kim hasn’t actually said anything publicly since this manic episode started. She did retweet his presidential announcement, and that’s it. Kim hasn’t even been around him during this manic episode – I think she’s mostly just tired of this, tired of being forced into the caretaker role for her husband, tired of trying to comfort him and not agitate him during his manic episodes. It would not surprise me at all if Kim really does file for divorce before the year is over.
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Kanye did nothing to deserve to lose custody of his kids. Being bipolar is not equal to being dangerous. He is not being more toxic than the KJ clan. He won’t lose a thing and they know it. The KJ, on the other hand, will suffer greatly if a divorce was to come.
If they got a divorce he would get the kids every other weekend except when he’s having a manic episode.
+1. These Kardashian women constantly pick men that they can exploit. I am tired. Kanye is an adult but he has narcissistic personality disorder and bi polar disorder. Kim Kardashian was never the right spouse for him. She has her own issues and she does not want to FAIL at another marriage and be without a famous husband.
There is no RIGHT spouse for this kind of personality, maybe apart from a trained psychiatric nurse.
If he has narcissistic personality disorder there is no right spouse for him. I’m not a fan of the Kardashians, but Kanye is an adult, and doesn’t seem to a be a threat to himself or anyone else during this manic phase, so Kim can’t force him to seek help, or make him take his medication.
@Tanguerita, psychiatric nurse practitioner here, and knowing what this trajectory looks like – that’s a big NO! kudos to people who can, but I have a pretty good idea of what the behind the scenes looks like and no to allllllllll of that!
He doesn’t seem like someone with NPD to me – he seems like he can be a loving and empathetic person, when he isn’t manic. He’s probably a fairly self-involved artiste-type, but just because someone has some narcissistic traits doesn’t mean they have a full blown personality disorder.
Yes, he would for sure get 50/50, with the kids moving between residences. Whenever I hear people speculate about a father loosing custody I can see that they don’t know how dramatically the family laws have changed.
Is there a way for her to win full custody by documenting that Kanye very rarely saw/lived with his kids even when they were married? Because I get the distinct impression, confirmed by his tweets about how it’s time for his family to finally come live with him full time, that they don’t live together and the only time Kanye spends in the same house with the children is when Kim is visiting him or they’re on a family vacation, and that appears to be rarely. He seems like he lives in Wyoming and travels for work a lot and she lives in California with the kids and takes them with her or leaves them with her mom/sisters/nannies whenever she has to travel for work or leisure. They probably even have separate houses in LA/Calabasas in addition to their “family home” that they live in only when they’re together. If he were to end up with 50/50 physical custody of the children after a divorce, he would be seeing them suddenly way MORE often than he sees them now.
I also would not be surprised if there was some kind of prenup or legally binding agreement between them that in case of divorce, she gets full custody of the children. It seems like all of the men who have children with the kardashian women just accept that the children belong to the Kardashians now and always and the they don’t even attempt to challenge them on custody or visitation. Do we think Kanye would even want his kids with him 50% of the time if he didn’t also have Kim there to manage the children and their nannies? He seems like the type who probably wouldn’t even take advantage of all of his legally allotted time with the kids. I can see him giving up any custody in exchange for paying Kim less support.
@Amy uhmmmmm in the bad/absent parenting olympics, Kim and Kanye are both medaling.
If they get divorced, I hope that’ll put a stop to the Klan’s influence. They were D-list before him and they only manage to climb their way up because of Kanye.
The only reason any of us still talk about the Kardashians is because of Kanye. He keeps then in the press. If Kim was still married to Humphries, she’d long been forgotten.
Agree that marrying Kayne was more like a business plan that needed to happen for Kim to stay relevant. The timing was perfect because nobody took them seriously as major A listers until this marriage. She will not leave Kayne so fast.
If he’s refusing to take his bipolar medication that is absolutely grounds for limited, supervised, or revoked visitation of the children.
Yup! Not getting the proper treatment would be a reason for suspending/limiting visitations until the parent gets back on their meds. It’s hard to force someone to get treatment if they don’t want to, but kids don’t have to be subjected to a parent in the midst of a manic phase
I know somebody who lost custody of their kids because they are bipolar and they left them alone in the back yard of a house when they were 3.
It wouldn’t surprise me if she files for divorce, but I think she has love for Kanye and the fact that Kanye doesn’t have (he doesnt seem) to have a family makes it hard to divorce and just leave him alone with no support system. Hope Kanye gets better
Kanye has a family.
I wonder what did they have in common in the first place to fall in love
They are both infamous narcissists and they go way back.
Well, I’m not sure “in love” is the right way to put it. They never seemed to spend much time together or know each other that well.To me it always looked like he was happy to have “won” a famous trophy wife whom he could play dress up with and she gained respectability and access to the fashion world.And they both liked the idea of being a part of a power couple. A mix of ego,business and narcissism but not much “love”.
Nothing says love like, “I’m worried you’re hurting my bottom line profits.”
Gee, who else does that sound like?
a narcissist only truly loves their reflection in the mirror. they “love” another person only as much as that person can boost up their own image and self-esteem. this is why children of narcissists often grow up with an empty sense of self, they are only acknowledged when they are seen as perfect. see paris hilton.
He likes to have a trophy around to dress up – he did the same with Amber Rose. And Kim was getting some bad publicity after ending things with Humphries so quickly, plus Kanye was a bigger celebrity with a level of credibility that she didn’t have as a reality TV personality – without him she wouldn’t have been invited to the Met ball or gotten her Vogue cover.
I assume she got pregnant with North to lock things down.
I think they’re both narcissists, and catering to a narcissist is familiar for Kim after growing up as the golden child to her likely narcissist Mom.
Kardashian “love” is an illusion. They’re only loyal to each other, and everyone else is expendable. I think the only person who ever really mattered to Kim was Reggie Bush, and he didn’t want what she did (fame and notoriety) so she did her best to prove that what she wanted could/would work no matter the consequences, but even that wasn’t love.
She got “lucky” with one of the most famous rappers in the game, but didn’t realize what kind of work being with him entailed. She married someone who has NPD and BPD, probably thinking she could “fix” him with her sex appeal. She tried being the muse, then the savior, and neither of them worked. Now she’s going to attempt to be the martyr.
And left in the mix are the kids whose father is deteriorating publicly, using their existence as political fodder, and whose mother flits from one pet project to another because her own mother cannot value her for anything other than what kind of attention she can bring to the family that can be monetized.
@Daisyfly this is soooo spot on.
They were on holiday together in the Dominican only last week.
This is what I don’t understand. Don’t you have to self-isolate upon return to the U.S.? How was Kanye allowed to bypass that law???
In the US, a lot of states aren’t passing laws so much as issuing guidelines, which is why we’re not flattening the curve.
If the Kardashians ever turn on Kanye they way they have anyone that has ever ‘wronged’ them it will be a stuff of nightmares. He will not go down quietly.
@Noki right ? He is already shading kris Jenner on twitter which means he is not scared of them at all, if they try to throw him under the bus, he will take them down with him.
This is probably the reason why she hasn’t divorced him. Kanye has a big mouth and he likes to use it. I’m guessing he doesn’t have a NDA with them so he could say whatever he wants about them. They are walking on eggshells right now.
@Angel i think she finally met her match Lol
@ME an NDA for your husband? I understand for random hanger ons and staff but I Would not sign an NDA with someone i am married to,is this part of prenups nowadays?
@ Noki
He may have had to sign an NDA when he first appeared on their show as a “friend”. Remember Kim and Kanye have known each other for a long time before they got married and he made a few appearances on their show way before they dated or got married. I definitely think they make everyone who enters that family or has any contact with that family sign an NDA. This is probably why NO ONE can ever talk about them…not Jordyn Woods, not Lamar, not Reggie Bush, not Humphries, not Larsa…literally no one. Why is that?
@ME , Well that aint right, IF i am signing an NDA so are YOU!whether i am as powerful or not,they get to drag people who ‘betrayed’ them to hell and back via their show and TMZ and no one can say sh*t about them???
She doesn’t leave him because she is too invested in the power couple dynamic she’s been trying to attain since marrying him – she desperately wants the same level of popularity of Jay Z and Beyonce.
She’ll divorce him once his illness quits being something they can manipulate for press.
Exactly.
Yup, she is only worried about her image, and how it will look if she leaves him.
I gotta admit I didn’t expect him to shade Kris Jenner so publicly like that. And he also basically said that they were exploiting him like the in Get Out movie. I don’t know how they can come from this. I feel he wants out of this mariage. Those poor kids.
Honestly that is where I’m at also. I think he wants a divorce, he just doesn’t want to be the one to ask for it and is trying to push Kim to do it with all these shenanigans.
I agree, he has talked about not caring if Kim wants to divorce him previously to this. Sorry, I don`t remember where exactly. I am sure he loves her but I also am sure that he realizes how toxic she is for him.
None of this makes him a good person. You don´t have to be a good person to be a victim. Bad people get abused too.
She won’t divorce him until she has another sure thing lined up.
Would probably be some one older with a few divorces and children behind them too. Young Athletes and rappers at this stage in her life will be foolish.
ITA. She will be looking for some kind of producer or executive or celebrity lawyer in his late 50s/early 60s.
She’ll date a much younger guy who is either very famous or about to become very famous. Kim loves attention. She’s not going to marry some old serious guy with kids from a previous marriage. I doubt it anyways.
Kim is not responsible for his mental illness but IMO she is an enabler.When she tweeted stuff about him a “free thinker” when he says stuff that makes no sense.When she endorses his “presidential campaign” by retweeting his announcement knowing full well he is mentally unstable she enables or encourages his delusional thoughts.
Also having all these kids,bringing them into this mess.They had two kids after his 2016 breakdown.Whatever we are witnessing in public I bet Kanye’s behaviour is far more erratic behind closed doors in front of Kim and his kids,when they are living under the same roof.
That’s what I’ve been thinking about, how much worse is it at home?
Another thought is, has he in a manic moment signed power of attorney over to a kardashian? I’m thinking the absolute worst thing he’s done in his life is hooking up with those ghouls.
What do you all think about the tweet thread that went around saying Kanye and the Kardashians were the inspiration for “Get Out”? Kanye retweeted and Jordan Peele favorited. In the movie, the white families take body parts and talents from the black people – kinda like how the kardashians have carved their bodies to look like black women. The other black men in the family (Lamar being a principal example) haven’t done so well.. Idk, it was interesting to me!
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/07/21/kanye-west-get-out/
True, they chew up the men and spit them out and then chew them up some more. The only one that seems to have avoided that fate so far is Travis Scott.
And Reggie Bush – I think he saw something was not right and got out.
Reggie Bush knew it was time to beat feet after he won the Superbowl – Kim made some weird statements about it being time for him to “settle down” after winning. Reggie saw the writing on the wall.
And Travis, I think, is too famous in his own right for them to take him down. Thought I can’t imagine he enjoyed that family allowing the rumors to promulgate about his baby not being his.
@ Sam the Pink
LOL I remember when the Saints won the Super Bowl. Kim was on the field and sat next to Reggie while he was being interviewed. The next day everyone congratulated Kim for winning the Super Bowl. It was hilarious.
I’m a little suspicious of his breakdown coming the week of an album release, so we’ll see.
Kris Jenner will try to monetize anything – her daughter’s sex lives, her daughter’s husband’s drug overdose, etc.
Well he always seems to have a “breakdown” when he has something to promote so…
Exactly. And they are the masters of spin PLUS they have TMZ in their pocket, so I think he’s getting the needed publicity and then in a couple weeks we’ll hear they’re getting help and focusing on family and these stories will be mostly forgotten by the gossip media.
Pretty common actually for stress and sleep disruption, like what might come around being up all night trying to finish an album, to induce a manic episode.
Great point – having a regular sleep pattern can be one of the most important elements in staving off manic episodes. (I had two hypermanic episodes triggered by jet lag.)
It could be that he stops taking his meds because he’s making an album/fashion collection and wants to let his “genius creativity” come out. Then it feels good and he feels creative and able to be up all the time working and promoting, so he stays off the meds. Once the album/collection is released, he doesn’t need to be creative and genius anymore, so it’s easier to convince him to go back on the meds and he stabilizes. And once he stabilizes and things slow down and he’s being a more reliable husband, father, Kardashian fame-making accessory, the Kardashians try to act like nothing happened and nothing was wrong and everyone is just blowing things out of proportion and making stuff up about Kanye, because “look how good he’s being now.”
They get way too much attention and publicity.
I’m no fan of his but have felt sorry for him since his mother died. It’s frankly amazing a talentless hack like him became rich and famous.
Kim, run for the hills and don’t look back. Husband #4 is right around the corner.
With Kris as your mother you’ll never fade from public view.
That woman is the true genius. She’s despicable but I give credit when due .
My sister in law was in a similar situation with trying to care for a bipolar husband, delaying divorce because she didn’t want to leave him in that state. It took him shooting up their house (she somehow survived unscathed) during a delusional/paranoid episode for her to realize she needed to protect herself first and get out.
Kim clearly wanted to have children with this man so she stuck it out, but hopefully she realizes it’s only a matter of time until he’s not only a danger to himself but her family as well. Her only “duty” is to protect herself and her children, full stop.
When she turned 30 she just HAD to marry Kris H. She felt like 30 was some milestone. I think she will view 40 the same way. 40 will be the year she brands herself as a hard working single mom of 4 kids who uses the legal system for her causes etc. She is just waiting for the 40 and free headlines.
Does Kanye know he has 3 other kids besides North? He only mentions North like he has totally forgotten about the other 3. It just strikes me as odd. Those poor kids.
Narcissists tend to have one child who they fixate on as the golden child – I guess North is it for him.
Maybe she’s the only child for whom abortion was on the table. They were just dating then. He said he thought he gave his girlfriend AIDS when he got the call. They married three or four months after North West was born, right?
I don’t think Kim would marry anyone if it were not opportunistic. And I don’t think she would divorce anyone if it weren’t opportunistic. That’s not a comment or speculation about how much she loves her husbands. You can love someone without marrying them, obviously.
I’m sure Kris was rigorous, but a lot of prenups are invalidated if one person leaves the other because of a sickness. Even if the prenup doesn’t state it, it is a compelling case. Kim likely has more assets than Kanye. In a divorce case, proclaiming in a huge public arena that she had pills in her hand to “kill” their child and he intervened is parental alienation, even if it is true. Not if they’re married.
She’ll have to consider if she has more control over him as a spouse or an ex. What dirt will come out in a contentious divorce? How will her advertisers respond to her being Kanye-less. It’s clear Kanye is a loose cannon, so she can’t NDA him and expect him to bite his tongue. She’s in a very complex position, legally and in terms of promo contracts and PR spin.
I’m sure Kris will figure it out.
Well said! Yes I’m sure Kanye has a LOT more dirt he could blurt out, which puts the Klan in a complex position. Love that last sentence– Kris will figure it out lol.