Following Kanye West’s absurdist, manic “campaign stop” in South Carolina, the Kardashians – mainly Kim Kardashian – seemed to blanket the gossip media with anonymous statements. They ran to TMZ first, but Kim also went to Entertainment Tonight, with a source saying that Kim was deeply upset by Kanye’s comments about abortion: “Kanye isn’t in a good place and isn’t listening to anyone trying to talk him into getting help. Kim is upset with Kanye for his rants yesterday, especially talking about the possibility of having an abortion and not giving birth to North. She knows this is something North will see when she gets older and that’s heartbreaking.” I felt like Kim had largely tapped out of Kanye’s narrative, perhaps because there was nothing TO do unless Kanye understands that he needs to be medicated. Well, apparently last night Kim did try to bring a doctor to Kanye in his Wyoming Dome. Kanye live-tweeted it (most of these are now deleted, so I’m using People’s coverage):
In a string of tweets Monday evening, the 43-year-old rapper asked both Kim and her mom, Kris Jenner, to contact him as he claimed they were trying to “lock me up.”
“Kim was trying to fly to Wyoming with a doctor to lock me up like on the movie Get Out because I cried about saving my daughters life yesterday,” West wrote on Twitter, referring to his comments about North West during his first campaign rally over the weekend.
“Kriss don’t play with me you and that calmye are not allowed around my children Ya’ll tried to lock me up,” West wrote in one tweet, seemingly referring to his mother-in-law and her boyfriend Corey Gamble. A few minutes later, he added, “Kim tried to bring a doctor to lock me up with a doctor.”
“If I get locked up like Mandela Ya’ll will know why,” West wrote in another tweet.
“Everybody knows the movie get out is about me,’ he also wrote.
A representative for Kim did not immediately respond to PEOPLE’s request for comment.
It’s kind of what I suspected – Kim has been in LA this whole time while Kanye was flying back and forth from Wyoming to various “campaign stops.” Kim was like “I’m tired of this, please take your meds” and Kanye was like “Harriet Tubman didn’t free the slaves!” After Kanye made an ass out of himself in South Carolina, Kim brought in a doctor and Kanye fought her on that. So… please stop putting this on Kim. It’s clearly all on Kanye.
Oh and Kanye really needs to stop talking about Bill Cosby being innocent, or how there’s some kind of plot against Cosby. Enough.
not kanye defending bill cosby again 🙁 pic.twitter.com/wEegv7CjzR
— blm (@pissduster) July 21, 2020
The full Kanye rant. #kanye pic.twitter.com/sNziN02fV3
— Solita 🌞 (@SleepInside3) July 21, 2020
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I dont live in US so Im not certain about involuntary medicalisation over there, but cant someone step in and help him?
Imminent threat of harm to self or others. That’s it. They won’t be able to involuntarily hospitalize him until he transitions into the depressive phase and becomes suicidal.
The US health system is broken. The mental health side of the US health system is even worse.
The us health care system is a tragedy. In France he would have been hospitalized a long time ago. I hope someone get him the help he needs before it’s too late. I have a hard time feeling sorry for Kim, she was always there defending and enabling his rants ( remember the psychotic rant against Drake? ) now that’s he is turning against her and her mom she is « worried », Goodbye Kim.
Thing is though, not all bi-polar types are suicidal. There are at least 4 types of bipolar. Some have manic states or hypo-mania states. And may include a “crash” but may not be suicidal. So he may never get that bad. Also, with the meds, they don’t cure you, just make your symptoms less intense.
The 72 hour hold laws are weak on purpose because they were abused earlier in history. Which isn’t to say that our healthcare system-mental health especially- isn’t broken, cause it is.
Kanye has unlimited access to as much medical care as he wants, unfortunately he’s not healthy enough to realize he needs it.
It’s really, really hard to get a court order to hospitalized a person against their will anywhere, it’s not a US-thing (I’m in Canada and we had to request one for my granddad and another for my aunt, and one of my friend was also forced hospitalized). As Cassandra said, it’s like this because it has been abused over and over, you really need to show that the person is in imminent danger to themselves or others, that it’s not just a question of wanting to live differently, even it seemingly doesn’t make sense. Think how deep Britney had gone before they could send her to the hospital
But it seems like Kanye is getting real close to this stage; I hope that they’re trying to get a court order as we speak. If he’s like this in public, I can’t imagine how bad it is in private
I have done hundreds of involuntary committals, unfortunately. It’s imminent harm (Suicidal intent) to self or others, or inability to care for self. So not eating, not sleeping, that kind of thing.
He’s riding the line right now, but it’s true that he’s likely not hold-able. Which is very difficult for family to deal with, because being in a mental health crisis doesn’t necessarily mean you meet criteria for a commitment. Often not, actually. The rules are strict, as they should be for taking someone’s freedom away.
No, not unless he’s considered a danger to himself or others. My dad started telling us he was working for the FBI. My mom took him to a “meeting,” no one showed up. He started saying and doing other strange things. We called the cops, hospital, mental places. All said he had to agree to be checked in which he was not going to do. We were so distraught. Then one day he wouldn’t go home w mom, saying she was trying to poison him. A cop car cruised by in the neighborhood. I told the cop what was going on and how he wouldnt eat. I signed a statement and they took him in under the Baker Act. I thank God to this day for that lady. That allowed him to be observed for a certain amount of hours and diagnose him.
That’s great! How is he doing today? Does he stick to a treatment plan & is he better?
I also had a ton of difficulty getting help for my dad, who has dementia and couldn’t properly care for himself, but is stubborn af and refused help. I couldn’t do anything about it for years.
The rules vary from State to State. It’s difficult to institutionalize someone in the State of CA, some would argue *too* difficult, but CA has a long and sordid history of forced institutionalization. Many husbands got “rid” of their mentally healthy wives by claiming hysteria. I don’t know the rules in WY, but I imagine the standard is lower than the State of CA.
No. Someone would have to prove in court that he’s a threat. He has lawyers and money, and he’d be hard to pin down, since he has airplanes and the ability to travel.
He’s never going to be locked up without wanting to be.
Right now he is just a guy saying incredibly dumb stuff. As others have pointed out, until he becomes a threat to someone or himself, there isn’t anything people can do.
Same old stunt. I hope we get a good album out of this.
That’s how it started with my friend’s daughter, comments that were bizarre and made no sense. She said my friend was conspiring with the CIA against her, and the “judges” too. She has since been diagnosed as having both schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder.
agreed. It’s been bugging me that people have been putting a lot of the blame on kardashian for not ‘stopping him’ or anything like that. Kanye is a grown ass man, they have four kids, and it has been clear to me for years now that kanye tends to be very resistant to treatment and tends to do his own thing. Their marriage might be a mess but its theirs. Dont start putting the responsibility on a woman to wait hand and foot on a man and ‘safe-guard’ his mental health. its not fair and this kind of narrative would not have been happening if it had been the other way around. then everybody would be praising the man for ‘putting up’ with somebody with mental health problems. stop shaming Kim for Kanye’s out of controllness, thats all him.
YES JUDITH. Well said.
So so true. This is in NO WAY Kim’s responsibility. Clearly she is doing her best to help.
For everyone who thinks otherwise – I hope that one day you get to experience this first hand. A number of you will, when your parents are elderly and suffering cognitive decline. They may very well be stubborn about accepting help, ceasing to drive, or leaving their homes for a facility. You’ll find out then exactly what it’s like to try to navigate healthcare & legal systems in order to force help upon someone who doesn’t want it.
You are so right. It is really hard to get help for someone who does not want it. it took my sister-in-law years to get the authorities diagnose my father-in-law with dementia and get power of attorney to get him to a suitable home. The council pointed at the GP, the GP pointed at social care…
in the meantime he was in and out of hospital with falls and strokes and all sorts as he was also drinking heavily with being diabetic.
@Abby – I’ve been through this with my elderly mother as she slid down the slippery slope into dementia. It is eminently better to get a Durable Power of Attorney and a Durable Power of Attorney for Healthcare Decisions before your elderly relative becomes incapacitated. They have input to appoint who they trust to make decisions about their care – they can choose someone who would have their best interests at heart. So DO bring this subject up with them; you will be so glad you did. It protects them and provides you with options.
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Yes! You cannot Force treatment and bipolar patients sometimes hate taking their meds. Kim cannot do much unless and until he is a danger to himself or others. Otherwise he has to want the treatment. It is not an easy position.
100% And I think the comments suggesting that the Ks are deliberately pushing him into episodes or using these episodes as publicity are especially cruel. You can’t imagine what goes on behind closed doors when family has to deal with a mentally ill person who refuses to medicate.
While she’s not to blame, I think folks mostly believe that she would never have his best interest at heart, that any action would have to be weighted against their own commercial interests. And in my opinion, that’s valid — they seem willing to use anything or anyone, including their own family members, so long as it keeps their empire going.
Yep, they used Lamar Odom when he was at his lowest.
Yes, they have a history of exploiting people when they need help.
Additionally, when it comes to mental health interventions, it is my understanding that the court system prefers that family members are appointed as conservators, etc. So there are things that Kim specifically can do to help Kanye, because she has unique legal status as his wife. If action is going to be taken to help him, it isn’t going to come from the bodyguards, drivers, assistants, managers, non-relatives.
@Tiffany There is practically nothing Kim can do if he is unwilling to cooperate. The standard for involuntary commitment is extremely high. She is uniquely situated to be harmed by his behavior, not to prevent it.
Yes, this. The thread from yesterday where there were so many comments criticizing Kim and her family for “doing nothing” made me frustrated. Anyone who has tried to help someone with a mental illness (when the person didn’t think they needed help) knows that it’s really difficult. I would not be surprised to find out Kim has been trying to get him to accept help for years. I definitely feel for her. There was a lot of judgment in those comments, and a lot came from people who didn’t seem to have any experience with serious mental illness in themselves or a loved one.
Not quite sure why she decided to have 4 children with such a troubled individual. Sadly some of these problems can be passed down genetically.
Nah he straight up said years ago on TMZs show that he stopped taking his meds because they interfered with his thoughts/creativity process. I think this the same or around the same time he said black people wanted to be slaves. More people focused on the slave quote than the he’s not taking his medication part.
While I empathize with Kim because there’s been mental illness in my family, so I know it’s hard when they won’t listen but she still decided to have 4 kids with him. Any one of them could have the same problems.
this tweet about North sex tape is super nasty… If you are OK with marrying and having kids with someone with this (or other) kind of past like Kim, you cannot use it as derogatory argument
I think that was a jab at Kris, because that’s what she did with Kim.
This. The whole narrative that “look at what I DID to save my wife!” When in reality she was (both were, really) better off before they married and had kids. He poked the dragon and now he is going to pay. Don’t mess with the KKKlan image.
I would not tangle with Kris Jenner. I think the remarks he made about the daughter finished him off with the Kardashians for good.
She knew he had his issues and went ahead to have four kids with him so I don’t feel sorry for her. I only feel for the kids cos they don’t deserve this.
Also I’d like to say that we need to stop blaming Kanye’s rant on his mental illness I know so many people who have mental illness even in their lowest of lows they do not have this damaging ideologies that Kanye has. Kanye is just being Kanye and also he has an album coming out on Friday so I don’t even know what to make of this anymore
She knew who he was when she married him. He had already been exhibiting mental health episodes before she got with him. I also know a few people with Bipolar disorders. They don’t go off spewing the things that Kanye does. I wonder if he has a comorbidity with some other mental illness, like schizophrenia? The car accident he was in years could have caused some brain damage. Kanye needs help.
I think you’re right about the comorbidity issue. He could be showing symptoms of other personality disorders like raging narcissism, schizotypal personality disorder, psychotic breaks, etc. along with bi-polar. The fact remains he is a very sick man and the best thing for the sake of his family is to get himself into treatment STAT instead of waiting until he does something dangerous.
You may know a “few people with Bipolar disorders”, but you don’t know all of the people with bipolar disorder. The people you know don’t “go off spewing the things that Kanye does.”? So? What are you saying?
The people you know and your experiences have nothing to do with other mentally ill people.
Mental illness or brain trauma aren’t as nearly predictable as you imply they are.
Kim “knew who he was” or knew everything about his day-to-day behaviour and is thus responsible for him? Absolutely not.
No one is responsible for or to blame for the behaviour of another adult. No one. Ever.
People who have mental health issues deserve a chance at love and happiness too, you know. Many are able to stay on their meds, have healthy marriages, etc.
“Many are able to stay on their meds, have healthy marriages, etc.”
and Ye ain’t one of them. until he wants to take his meds, he’s no good to anyone, even himself.
Disagree Tanya – they can have love from friends, etc. without marriage and kids. Some of them should have a caretaker only, and cannot contribute as a peer and partner to a marriage. It is setting them up for failure to have them do so and hurts others. I have seen this a million times in my own family.
Holy shit Lisa, that’s a horrible thing to say.
I’m sorry your family sucked, but to say no one with mental health issues should have a relationship or family? Wtf.
This is such an incredibly harmful comment.
People with mental health issues can and are wonderful parents.
Acting like ‘she knew what he was’ and shouldn’t have had children with him in regards to his mental health demonizes people who struggle. No one says that about diabetics, or amputees, or other physical ailments and it shows how far we have to go on understanding mental health.
Thank you, @detritus. I work with many people with bipolar disorder. Many are horrified by things they’ve said and done when they’ve been manic, it’s a huge cause of shame and depression and suicidal ideation, because how can anyone ever love them when they’ve done these things. They often even worry about feeling happy at all, worrying it will lead to mania. They’re often really kind, lovely, thoughtful people, who have a chemical issue with their brains that can often be worked out with meds, exercise, sleep, and therapy.
Thank you Det!
I spend the most of my Positive energy on focusing on being a good parent. I seriously dedicate myself. I think possibly in part due to my experiences and hardships.
While I’m not diagnosed bipolar, I struggle with (c)ptsd.
Maybe the comment meant that she forged ahead with kids asap without first thinking through whether he would be willing to get the help that he needed. I do think most people would hesitate to start a family with someone who is unwilling to deal with serious mental health issues. That is very, very different from saying that no one should start a family with someone who has a mental health issue.
Thank you @detritus – your compassion is needed. ❤️
Hi @detritus. Just to add that, unfortunately, people say that type of thing to diabetics too. As a person with Type 1 Diabetes, I can assure you that there are people that try to doubt your ability to be a parent or even have someone interest in having a relationship with you. So I think that all people with disabilities and diseases deal with a lot of bullying and shaming. Hope that this testimony helps to understand how profound and scaring this problem is, and how much make you doubt yourself when you have a disability.
The children are the only ones I feel for in all this. The K Klan operate by: all publicity is good publicity. No doubt the cameras are rolling for the next season of Kim’s cry face. Why would they rush to help him if they can capitalize on this. No doubt they will turn this all around and manipulate things so that Kim comes out shining.
I think it is bipolar combined with huge fame, that makes him different from other bipolar cases you may know of.
What about ALL the other famous celebrities with bipolar both past and present?
Saying that she knew what she was getting into is rather unfair. Unless a person is a mental health professional, no one really knows what they’re getting into at the beginning. And, most often, people believe that they can help the other person, simply by loving them enough, or think that they can “fix” them. It’s a tale as old as time.
Yeah I happened to be on twitter while it was happening. So I saw all of them, because people were talking, as you can imagine. Yesterday, we found out that a woman-hater murdered Judge Salas’ 20 yo son, and critically injured her husband because he hates women, especially Latina women, but he was on a life long quest of woman hatred. I actually remember this goon from back in the day with his feminist blogoshpere harassment and his lawsuits against lady’s nights.
Also yesterday, it was revealed that Ed Henry (allegedly okay) brutally raped a 24 yo underling at FOX. You should read his text messages. You will throw up. He owns her, you see. And Tucker Carson and Sean Hannity were also named as sexual harassers, not assaulters, YET.
And of course, we live under Donald Trump, who famously said “women, you gotta treat them like sh*t”, and boy has he, huh? Oh and that shooter? Big Donald Trump fan, hugely.
So yesterday was not a good day for women, and when Kayne had his “meltdown” I couldn’t help but notice all of his posts were misogynistic (and why was he googling Jennifer Lawrence? Is he looking to Taylor her in his next video and put her in bed with Trump?). And I also couldn’t help but notice he deleted them and followed up with “now, about my music, don’t forget my new album is dropping!!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$”
So, I don’t care about Kayne. What happens to him, whether he’s ill or just stunting. I. Don’t. Care. I know he’s hurting women, and I know we have enough people hurting us already. That’s what I care about.
And along the lines of all that misogyny, there are so many people blaming Kim for what’s going on with Kanye. It’s all so disheartening.
“Yesterday, we found out that a woman-hater murdered Judge Salas’ 20 yo son, and critically injured her husband because he hates women, especially Latina women, but he was on a life long quest of woman hatred. I actually remember this goon from back in the day with his feminist blogoshpere harassment and his lawsuits against lady’s nights.” Throughout his life, there were people who enabled his misogyny and probably manipulated, groomed, or even bullied others into accepting that from him too. MRAs are dangerous, whether they get caught behaving violently or not.
@Darla Yes! All of this so much.
@Darla, that is a poignant comment that you have made. Yes, the POS that killed the son of a listing Federal Judge has a proven track record of decades of degrading women and insisting that women are not as worthy as men and are not on the same level as men, which should uphold not paying women as much as men.
In regards to Faux News, the lawsuits filed are not a surprise there as the talent at Faux News are categorically sexist, racist and narcissistic with delusions of grandeur. Faux News has only become more bolden with Drumpf due to his nightly/daily calls their talent for advise on national matters and probably shares national security matters. They have been a boil on the planet and the sexual harassments and/or rapes, intimidation and have been a long history at their network and others alike.
In regards to Kanye, he is a grown ass man and is responsible for himself and his own health Though I agree with most of you that the true victims are his children. I feel so bad for their kids! I have never personally seen metal health in the first person, so I cannot and should not make judgements in regards to his ongoing struggles. Though I will throw in that his announcement of his album after or during his rant was tasteless and disgusting. Plus I completely loathe him for what he did to Taylor Swift at the music awards. WTF does that?
I wonder if he refuses to accept his mental health diagnosis so he fights taking his medication as a way of declaring that he does not suffer from mental health? I don’t know that is why I am asking.
@NatureLover – It’s my understanding that meds like some that he’s been prescribed can dampen a person’s mental acuity and inhibit their creativity. Many people refuse to take them due to the mental “fog” they cause. I think Kanye has previously stated or implied that he feels this way about being medicated. He has not denied his diagnosis.
I blame Kim for a lot of things but not for this.
She is not in an easy position.
My dad is Bipolar and it is unbelievably hard to experience as a family. BUT we don’t have to watch his episodes play out on the world stage. I know people have criticized Kim for having children with him and I get that.
But man, I feel so sorry for Kim and those kids right now.
My mom is bipolar, I sympathise with you, and also with Kim and her kids even though I’m not a fan of hers at all. Just “getting” someone to take their meds, as people put it, is easier said than done, and didn’t Kanye pull out a gun or something last time, when he was sectioned? Not exactly a conversation I would want to have with a person who’s severely manic and potentially dangerous. I kind of think Kanye is psychotic though, not just manic right now, he seems waaaaaay way out there too me, not just “up”.
Poor Kim and his poor children, that’s all I’ll say. I feel for them.
I feel for those kids as well Jess. I am not on the attention train with this last go around because I am old enough to remember Kurt Cobain.
Questlove was the 1st on Twitter last night to say what most of us were thinking.
I think that kim thought his issues were cute, manageable, and apart of his money making genius. Something that would serve her and her family’s pockets very well. I hope for everyone’s sake his true friends and family are able to reach him and get him the help that he needs.
He concluded all of this with a plug for his album release on Friday.
He sure did. I bet it’s gonna seeeeellllllll. People really overlook his game when they harp on his alleged mental illness.
of course he did!
I feel really bad for Kim. Kanye is clearly in a very bad mental place. And thats very hard to deal with.
I hope he gets help, if nothing else then for his kids sake.
People are still trying to blame Kim saying that she made him “crazy”. That’s not how mental illness -especially bipolar disorder works. Kanye has stated publicly that he refuses to take meds and unless he were to harm himself or harm someone else there’s not a whole lot legally that she can do.
I don’t think Kim or the family made Kanye do anything. He went into that relationship with eyes WIDE open, and thought he was getting Bey & Jey business & love.
But Kanye has not been well. Before Kim, we knew Kanye was troubled, and those “in the community” have always felt that he needed someone grounded which is not what Kim’s lifestyle provides. And Kanye’s illness means that he needs a different lifestyle that isn’t defined by cameras, publicity and shock value. But their egos got the best of them both and here we are.
Kanye just needs to get medicated, take a sabbatical, and figure out why he loves harming those he claims to love.
I don’t care what anyone says, I respect Kim, and I am sorry she’s been going through this. People can have all the money in the world, but emotionally you never know what you are in for, and I certainly don’t think she ever suspected it will come to this.
Every. Single. Word. Out. Of. Her. Mouth. Is. A. Lie.
I’m just sitting here, waiting for the sickening comments about how much the Klan is loving all of this for show ratings. I’m not a KUWTK fan, but this goes far beyond a television show.
This man has obvious mental illness.
If no information goes out to the media, after his latest rants/tweet-storms, everyone will say that Kim is doing nothing and doesn’t care. But, if information is shared to the media, everyone says it’s for attention.
I would not want to be Kim right now.
This is brutal to watch play out. Bipolar is a serious disease and he is refusing help. And the tabloids are eating it up. I feel awful for his family. He could be causing serious damage to his kids refusing to get help like this.
My brother is bipolar and has manic episodes like this so watching this play out is triggering 😪 he seems to be having a classic manic episode which explain his actions but doesn’t excuse them in any way, especially since he’s refusing to take his meds. there’s not much Kim can do if he won’t get help. We were only able to step in with my brother because he became a danger to himself and others.
FINALLY, something to put a stop to all the “Kim needs to do something!” chatter. Unsurprisingly, she has been trying. Of course she has.
She’s not an idiot, altho she has been known to play one on tv. Her show isn’t real life – it’s a modern soap opera. Maybe Kanye will get amnesia next, and wake up in a hospital bed. Har har.
Yes, he’s a narci and yes, he’s in a manic state right now. Being manic doesn’t cause the narcisissim. Of course not. It’s just bringing it to the forefront. See, people can have more than one thing wrong with them simultaneously!
I’m not even a Kim fan but I have experience living under the same roof as someone in a manic state (as well as a non manic narci/socio) and it is not easy. You can’t disagree with even the most delusional ideas or at best they will blow you off, at worst, they get big mad. You cannot argue or even disagree much or they become agitated. Because they fully believe everything they are saying and doing. It’s literally being delusional.
They truly believe it all. They can’t tell they are off the rails. It’s everyone else who is wrong. From the inside, it eats people up.
As far as the sunken place, he’s been there ever since he put on the red hat.
Some chick, fully agree
Fully agree
What a mess. Before his bipolar disorder was disclosed he was already known for going off on his egomaniacal delusions-of-grandeur rants, mostly for publicity it seemed. But now…he just sounds like an unhinged lunatic who needs to be held in a psychiatric lockdown. I still firmly believe that his mother “managed” his mental illness and after her passing he was basically sent adrift. I don’t think Kim is responsible for his mental health, that’s on him, but he obviously can’t manage it on his own and she obviously doesn’t have the influence over him that his mother apparently did. Not that Kim needs to be his mother but you (hopefully) know what I mean. He has such a huge public stage & following, which make his rantings all the more dangerous.
I wholeheartedly agree with the assessment that Donda managed Kayne’s illness. While I’m completely confident it was done out of love, and would even argue that Kim’s might be as well, there’s a point where “love” and “protection” become enabling, and thus harmful denial.
A narcissist with full blown bipolar disorder that he refuses to treat, marrying into a family full of opportunistic narcissists, was never, ever going to go well. Not to say that’s particularly on the Kardashians, but it was completely foreseeable. And anyone who doesn’t think at least part of the Kim-Kayne pairing isn’t about profit…Well, I’ve got several lovely bridges in New York you might be interested in purchasing.
He is bi polar and needs anti-psychotics. But this only works if he wants to get help. Many people with bi-polar remain unmedicated. It’s very sad for his kids to have to see their dad like this.
My first thought when reading the headline: setting things up for the excuse for the divorce? By that I mean both him and her, especially him.
On another note, my ex partner was diagnosed schizophrenic in the late teens and has a co- morbidity of borderline personality disorder. Drug use and severe alcoholism to self medicate. You cannot talk sense into these people. They love their illness. They hate it but they love it too. It’s very sad. And crazy making for the loved ones.
And by the way Kanye, it’s “our” daughter not “my” daughter.
Freudian Slip, or simply an error in speech?
I’ll just add this terrific tweet about how Kanye’s mental illness and his misogyny & anti-Blackness coexist, but do not have a causal relationship (i.e., being biopolar does *not* explain or justify or rationalize his abhorrent politics): https://twitter.com/Imani_Barbarin/status/1285017570614087682
yes, thank you. he is absolutely mentally ill but that is not what is causing his views on politics and women and black people. he ALSO has likely, undiagnosed, personality disorders which i think can be more of a driver for those things.
WOW that’s such a great tweet. She said it so well. Succinct.
@Naomi I wonder how the Kardashians, who have cosplayed and accumulated a fortune off their portrayal of the black community, deal with Kanye’s racist outpourings?
Basically what he said about his daughter was emotional child abuse. What an absolute arsehole. His ego is so out of control he won’t take the meds to protect his children from his mental projections, cause ‘creativity’. Whatever Ye, take the effing meds!!
This! Even if Kim is able to shield North from this at home, the child is going to go to school and possibly be taunted or even bullied because of this!
Kanye needs psychiatric intervention, for sure, and it seems that Kim is doing what she can to get that for her husband. But that doesn’t mean that she needs to excuse his behaviour, or stay with him. She needs to protect her children.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if we learn she hid his medicine or switched it out for placebos so she could get some positive press. The Ks will stop at nothing – it’s documented that they set up meetings with Lamar and then pretended he was stalking Khloe when he showed up to their agreed upon meeting, etc.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanye is absolutely fine and wants publicity for his album that drops Friday.
I highly doubt your first theory. Unmedicated, manic Kanye is a loose cannon and the Koven is full of secrets Kanye has been privy to for years. If anything, she’d be trying to sneak his medication into his food to bring him back in line. Not like he’d trust any food she served him in this state, anyway. It could be purely PR shenanigans, but the thing that makes me question that is his reference to an almost-abortion, it just seems a bridge too far to be only for press.
“I really wouldn’t be surprised if we learn she hid his medicine or switched it out for placebos so she could get some positive press.”
that’s a pretty serious accusation. and would likely be a crime. and I, for one, don’t believe that for a second.
he has said that he doesn’t want or like to take his meds because they stifle his creativity. don’t put this on Kim. she may be a lot of things, and girl loves attention, but I do NOT believe for one second that she’d do that to “get positive press”.
what you describe them doing to Odom is disgusting and the definition of gaslighting, but hiding someone’s meds is a whole other level of criminal behavior.
Wow, Jen, that would actually really surprise me.
Back when I was married, the Hubs had major problems, not quite Kayne level at the time.
His Mother, an LPN, was on me to “get him into hospital” now, as a Nurse she knew damn good and well that it is not that easy, even as the spouse, to have someone signed into care if they do not want to do it. In fact, it is surprisingly difficult even when several family members came together to proceed.
It is not Kims job to parent/save Kanye!
She is aware of his medical issues, she can try, and try, etc. but ultimately unless he is a danger, it is Kanye who is responsible for getting help.
Yes, I do think Kim is trying to help him, and will need Doctors to do it.
Hell, we are not professionals and we online can see his erratic behaviour, he does need professional help.
Kim must protect their children first. Kanye should most assuredly be under a doctors care, IMO.
I worked in a secure mental health facility for 34 years. They absolutely can force him into a hospital. It’s not pleasant and takes effort. It’s a court order and right now he would be considered a danger to himself because he is obviously not in control of himself, there are small children involved and he has a history of assaulting people when he’s this sick. I would guess they don’t want to go this route because law enforcement would just go and force him into the hospital and it could get ugly.
And his wife has standing to file the petition for the court order.
No one signs up to be mentally ill. My boyfriend reminds me of this when i get annoyed with my mentally ill sister. So i try to be patient.
But publicly stating that you wanted to abort your child who is now old enough to read about how you wanted her mom to abort her- is really close to unforgivable.
It is inexcusable.
Of course, so is talking shit about Harriet Tubman- but Ms. Tubman went through a whole lot worse than a rich, crazy dumbshit putting her name in his mouth. I’d like to think if she was alive she’d hit him with a big stick though.
Additionally, i feel for Kim. When you get involved with someone manic- it feels amazing- no one else will ever love you as intensely as this person loves you. It gives you a contact high being in their spotlight. But that gets old- fast. And frankly, it is a nightmare.
I’d see your unforgivable and raise you a divorce. That is absolutely going too far.
Yeah, this is getting close to the grab the kids and get them in therapy and go for supervised visits until he can be stabilized. The stuff about North was just awful.
I have zero use for the Kardashians but this has ZERO to do with them. He is unwell, has been for a long time and is in desperate need of treatment. Hopefully they can get a 5150 hold on him now that the work week is here. I can’t stand him but I hate to see someone suffering.
Well hey there might be some truth to what he is saying about Kim and Kris. They seem to like to control every man that comes in to that family. When they don’t need the men anymore they destroy them. Kanye isn’t going to be like the others. You can’t shut him up and to be honest I’d like to hear more of what he has to say about that damn family. This family only cares about their brand.
He is Cheeto Dick’s son from another mother.
When I see those outfits above, all I see is sausage casing.
Their clan needs to band together and send him to the farm. Bathe him in white and beige and keep him sedated and separated.
He’s not going to take any meds as they ruin his “genius” mind.
And his yesterday’s rant might just be the right thing for Kim to divorce him and take full custody for the children.
If he refuses to take meds, he won’t see his kids – as simple as that so eventually he’ll cave…
My worry is that this stupid bastard will make Trump win the Re-election in November and this should really be the only worry about him…and a huge one for that matter. A lot of celebs have already given him their support – my only hope is that the recent events might have ruined his credibility and if the K klan do anything, they might just make him invisible 🙂
I’ve been guilty of saying that Kim needed to intervene. Not because she has to carry the weight of his mental illness on her shoulders, but because she is the only one in his entourage who is not on his payroll and therefore free to say things he may not like to hear but needs to hear. And she has tried.
I feel sorry for her. People saying she knew what she was getting into when she married him : sorry but he has clearly gotten worse in the past few years. I don’t think anybody could have imagined that his episodes would go as far as that.
In addition to bipolar, Kanye West clearly has trauma related to his mother’s death. I think what would help him the most is good talk therapy coupled with medication. Whether he will be willing to accept any help remains to be seen.
As to Kim’s situation, we should keep in mind that it’s easy to end up in a marriage that takes a very different turn than what you expected. A smart friend of mine married a man who early on just seemed eccentric, but steadily became more extreme in his behavior (like cleaning out their joint accounts to buy equipment to start a poorly-thought out business, without telling her). He was diagnosed with bipolar, refused to accept help, and she ended up divorcing him. She’s still co-parenting their three children with him, though.
the lack of empathy on some of these posts from people who preach it in others is kind of gross.
How is it Kanye was having a breakdown such that he tweeted all these “disturbing” tweets yet was able to think enough to delete them after a time and just maintain the last tweet of ‘Donda coming this Friday’? He definitely got people’s attention right? The fact is, nobody knows what kind of mental illness Kanye suffers from. The fact is, his detestable politics, his misogyny, his anti-Blackness, is not a sign of mental illness – these are representations of his values. This is who he is as a person. Another fact is, Kim is Melania to his Trump. She is complicit and an enabler with a large platform. She is not complicit nor an enabler of his mental illness but rather of his detestable politics, his misogyny, and his anti-Blackness. None of these people deserve sympathy but all the censure. Everything that comes from them, be it their anonymous sources are calculated to bring them more attention. These people NEVER DEALT IN TRUTH.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Kanye has someone on staff that also has access to his social media profiles. And this person does some damage control to Brand Kanye once the boss puts the phone down.
This is just a heartbreaking situation all around. Kanye is partly to blame—not for his mental illness but for going off his meds which we have seen happen several times. Even before he was diagnosed he was saying controversial statements and an all around ahole. He is so arrogant and I get taking meds is a point of pride for a lot of people. And unfortunately no one can force him to take them, not even Kim. You would think having small kids would make him want to manage his symptoms better and to be a good dad.
At this point if Kim doesn’t file for divorce soon, I’m not sure how else they can move on from this. He publicly brought up North and how they both debated on whether to have an abortion or not. That may or may not be true but the comments are out there and while North may be too young to understand how abortion exactly works, she will fully understand his rant in a few years. I always said Kim would only divorce him if it compromised the kids’ safety. I think this may be the final push she needs to divorce him. If she doesn’t, I really will not understand if she stays with him. She is putting her kids at risk at this point.
About him bringing up how they/he/Kim considered an abortion and everyone feeling like this is the worst possible thing a child could hear: I have mixed feelings about this and will probably not articulate them well but want to try. I feel like it’s almost abortion shaming/anti-choice rhetoric to suggest that once a child is born, it’s absolutely unacceptable to talk about the fact that you or your partner considered having an abortion. Obviously they did not have an abortion so the child ended up being born and loved and wanted and kept. But also, if they had decided on an abortion, they would not have been aborting the person that “Living Child” is today, they would have aborted a fetus, a cluster of cells that was not yet a baby and that was not yet “Living Child.”
I think it’s important for children and all people to see their mothers as human beings who had choices with each pregnancy and who made a choice when they were pregnant with us. Otherwise, I think we risk thinking about abortion as something that only “other women” do when they’re in some kind of absolutely desperate situation, and it’s always a sad and unfortunate choice because they’re denying the world of who the baby/child could have become. Or is it the idea that these children will suddenly look on their mothers as some kind of monster who secretly hates and resents them and doesn’t want them? Because that’s some anti-choice thinking as well.
I don’t think it would be terribly horrible or scarring to realize that my mother considered having an abortion but chose not to. If anything, I think it would make me feel like she really thought about whether or not she wanted to have a baby, and she decided that she did. I might feel extra wanted because I would know that my mom had the opportunity to terminate her pregnancy but she actively decided not to. I don’t think it would make me feel unwanted.
I might have the same existential-type thoughts upon learning that my mother considered an abortion as I have when I think about the fact that my mom might have had a miscarriage when she was pregnant with me. A bit of “how weird, I wouldn’t have been born, but on the other hand, no one would have known ‘me’ as I am now, so it wouldn’t quite be the same thing as me dying now as an adult that they all have a relationship with and know. And of course I wouldn’t be ‘sad’ that I didn’t get a chance to live because I wouldn’t have this brain to think those thoughts because I would not have developed this brain/personality yet.”
I am likely not explaining myself well but I wanted to talk about it. To bring it up and see if this is something we should maybe be examining and asking more questions about.
I love this thoughtful and empathetic response. Nothing is black and white, but full of nuance. Unfortunately most will latch onto the sound bites and instant entertainment of this Kanye episode .. though I wish everyone would look deeper as you have.
@Amy, THANK YOU!!!! yes to everything you said. I remember cringing when someone asked how I would feel if my mother had aborted me….*facepalm* “I wouldn’t be here, so don’t think I would care much now would I?” Abortion shaming is far too accepted in this society, and makes my heart ache for every person who made that difficult decision (or maybe not difficult decision!) And then hears this crap. Or someone who felt forced into carrying a child they didn’t want of which there are far too many. We need to give people permission to do what they feel is best for themselves and, should they choose to have it, their child.
This. I can think of 10,000 traumatic things that are already very public which North will someday read/see about her family, that she’ll have to process.
The thing that most endangers North, and all the Kardashian-West children’s future health and happiness, is living around their father’s untreated mental illness, and the Kardashian family business that exploits personal drama for profit.
Amy, I completely understand and also want to add that just being scared of having a baby is a legitimate feeling. I was with my first and considered in the first few weeks because my life woukd have been turned upside down. Once I heard her little heart beat I knew I would walk through fire to keep her safe, but I would be lying if I were saying that I wasn’t scared sh*tless of all the new things I would have to embark on and the old that I would have to give up. Most turned out to be missconceptions and I carried on as before but this is common if you are the first of your friends to experience this, have few people to talk to etc. I am not judgeing either for considering it. I have also shared my feelings with friends and relatives because this is so overwhelming and life changing, not everyone walks into it peacefully, not sure if I made myself clear, the expectation to be blissful since finding out is damaging in a way if you are unprepared, you know what I mean? Maybe less women would experience depression if they were allowed to express their anxiety rather than put this pressure of enjoying pregnancy as per society perception.
1. I don’t believe their first child was at risk of being aborted. they clearly have spent alot of time money and effort getting these children into the world
2. you lie with dogs, you get fleas. this woman should have thought about her children and their feelings about their father and how they might be affected by their father’s behavior and words before having FOUR CHILDREN WITH THIS MAN.
Hindsight is 20/20 . The judgement nowadays is starting to get preposterous. No one is perfect and I wish we could take a moment to step back and realize that we are all just people who live and love and take chances… and no one can predict the future.
Miss Merry 1) Yes actually, Kim disclosed to Ryan Seacrest on some big interview years ago that she was undecided if she was going through with her first pregnancy. Then she thought she was miscarrying, felt sad etc, so when the doctor confirmed North was still in there, she took it “as a sign.” Obviously the subsequent three children were consciously kept.
2) Your lack of empathy is sickening. Kanye’s manic episodes didn’t begin until after several of their children had already been born.
Oh that is not true at all, he had mania long before the kids.
You might have needed to be a professional or be bipolar yourself or have family to recognize it, in it’s various manifestations.
But it has been going on for years.
His Bush rant, his taylor swift rant at the VMA’s happened years before North was born
And yes, he was experiencing mania those times.
Kim got what she wanted out of him: legitimate fame and her children. Time to cut him loose (instead of getting him help) since his stock is dropping.
How much effect does everyone on CB think that Kanye will have on the forthcoming elections? I’m watching this absolute traincrash from Britain, so obviously am not in the thick of it. But will he, as some have been claiming in op-eds and on Twitter, take any of the black vote from Biden? Or from Trump? Is Kanye enabling Trump? What do you all see as a likely outcome of Kanye’s current malaise, based on your knowledge of US mental health?
Personally, I’m feeling sorry for Kim. Six words I never thought I’d write. She’s damned if she does and dammed if she doesn’t. He won’t help himself and judging by those tweets won’t let anyone else help either. And that poor child will read all about this crisis when she’s older. THAT is unforgivable.
I wonder this myself….there are a few schools of thought, but what I’m more worried about is there are some people who stand by this person no matter what and, like Trump, buy whatever he’s selling. So while those people might not be able to vote for him (he’s only on the ballot in a few states), they might buy into his ideologies and that would be truly dangerous. I get many people don’t understand mental illness (but think they do because their partner/parent/friend/ personal experience, which is very subjective and not representative of all people struggling) and there is a ton of speculation around what is truly going on with Kanye, but the fact remains, mental illness or not, there are people who will believe him, who will follow him, who will continue to buy his junk and provide a platform that gives him legitimacy. We should all be very worried about that, regardless of how you feel about his mental illness.
This is exactly what I worry about, all the time. With trump also, normalizing this wretched behavior for our impressionable society. It’s dangerous
Kanye’s candidacy isn’t being taken seriously. He’s filed too late to get on the ballot in many states. I think he might be on the Oklahoma ballot, though. His recent “rally” was intended to get signatures to appear on the South Carolina ballot, but he failed to get enough signatures. They don’t allow write-ins.
I don’t think he ever really intended to actually run.
The only poll I’ve seen that included Kanye had Biden’s numbers remaining unchanged with the inclusion of Kanye. It was Trump’s numbers that went down by 2 points when Kanye was factored in. But most outlets aren’t polling for Kanye because it seems like a stunt.
Locked up like Mandela? Who tf does he think he is? This is so insulting.
The man clearly doesn’t want to be helped and, as far as I’ve read, if he isn’t a danger to himself or others than nobody can do anything. So yeah, stop putting this on Kim.
I just hope she’ll keep the kids away from him.
Kim is not at fault for her husband’s mental illness, and they have the money to try to get him help, which it seems they are now trying to do, which he is also not receptive to. NONE of that is the Kardashian family’s fault.
That they continue to use his illness for publicity, very much is. That Jenner is talking to the press about being Kayne’s “running mate” for her own 15 minutes, or Kim is defending her husband’s “Presidential bid” as anything but the manifestation of an acute mental health crisis, is also on them. As is the constant manipulation of the media in order to “spin” a husband and father’s latest breakdown. It’s not his first, many of the others of which they’ve also profited from and later defended.
They are “helping” with one hand, while harming with another. Using him and publicly slamming anyone who might suggest he was unwell or try to get close enough to help, right up until the moment they felt they could no longer control the narrative.
That family of enablers is perhaps the worst possible environment for someone with untreated mental illness.
ADDING…
No one can force anyone to get help, but loved ones can definitely provide an environment where getting help is made easier.
Work with college kids—the age when serious mental illness usually emerges, especially for men—and have seen more than one family close ranks and deny reality when presented with the clear evidence that their child is in a mental health crisis. They think God will heal them, or they can manage it themselves, or it’s just, “part of their personality.” Creating an environment where, in the better times, being untreated is not only OK, but bragged about (“See, told you they were fine, after you wanted to ruin their life”). That’s hugely detrimental behavior and when a crisis situation emerges, makes it even harder to get the help their loved one so clearly needs.
We’re seeing this play out in the media with Kim and Kayne, but I’ve seen it with plenty of families who either flat out “don’t believe” in mental illness, or think it happening to them is impossible, so deny all evidence until it’s too late for them to help at all.
I agree with you, S2. I don’t think there is anyone on Celebitchy that is saying that Kanye’s mental illness and rants are Kim’s fault, so I’m always a little confused when people are super ready to preemptively fight that fight and argue against the very specific accusation that Kanye is Kim’s fault. Because who is saying that? Who are they arguing against? I’m not reading comments here saying that she made him sick, or she exasperates his illness, or it’s her duty to follow him around 24/7 babysitting him, scheduling his doctor appointments, hand feeding him his meds, and locking him out of his own social media, or that his views and rants reflect on her character, or anything. Maybe people are saying that on other sites though?
What people are noticing and commenting on is that the Kardashians tend to use or spin the things that go wrongly in their men’s’ lives as positive PR for themselves. Depending on how offensive or disruptive the issue is, (whether it be a rant, a fued, an offensive comment, running for President, starting a church, a questionable business move, an overdose, an addiction, cheating) they either claim nothing is wrong and How Very Dare anyone even question him/their relationship, or they go to all their tabloid friends and talk about how they’re so concerned or worried or upset and don’t endorse what he’s doing, or they ignore everything and just pretend it’s not happening right now because they’d rather wait to show their reaction on their show, or they actively go out of their way to amplify whatever problematic thing the guy is doing by promoting it, retweeting, linking to articles about it.
So while none of the Kardashian family is responsible for his, or any man’s, behavior or ideas or illnesses, and while we know that they are not legally able to have anyone forced into a psych ward or rehab as the case may be, they just do not always seem to come off as having anyone else’s interest at heart besides their own bottom line/image/fame level. They make all of their decisions based on what makes THEM look best to the public or makes them money or amplifies their fame: sometimes that might be standing with their obviously ranting and mentally ill husband because he’s releasing a new album/fashion line that is making money, sometimes it’s quietly admonishing the behavior of said husband when he goes too far and becomes too offensive, sometimes it’s hopping into the Taylor Swift thing (“to clear my man’s name, not for any other self serving reason!”) because no one likes TS and that’s a huge PR boost for them. They’re all over the place with their responses and nothing seems genuine.
I think the problem here is that people default to thinking that there has to be a good person in the story to balance the bad guy. But they can both be not good people. Just because his mania, illness, racism, narcissism, and misogyny aren’t Kim’s fault, doesn’t mean that Kim is a good person, it just means that all Kanye’s shit isn’t her fault. She can still be a mercenary, awful, selfish, PR-obsessed person and also not be responsible for Kanye.
YES to all these above comments. Kim is not responsible for Kanye. Kim is responsible for being addicted to herself and to her public image. For manipulating every opportunity to sell herself and her image.
Who is the “source” that People mag keeps quoting, in the many articles that put Kim in a positive light? Oooh, the suspense is just killing me.
Right now it seems that Kim and Kanye are locked in a power struggle with how the media portrays them. For Kanye to say the horrible things he said about his child, and taunting Kris… it’s almost as if he is daring Kim to divorce him.
I don’t think she is ‘responsible’ for Kanye, and I think it was awful for him to expose that abortion story without her consent. But my concern is that when the kardashians are done with Kanye, they will use this illness against him to their own advantage. They have done this to all their ex’s. Scott was an alcoholic, Tristan a cheater, Tyra was broke, Bruce was transgender, Lamar a drug addict. All of them had ‘something’ that the Kardashian’s could use against them, should any of the ex’s try to expose what goes on in that family. For example if Lamar ever did an interview when he spoke unfavourably about khloe, they would retaliate with ‘he’s an addict, he was on drugs and doesn’t know what he’s saying’. It’s was way to undermine the potential threat. Kanye’ s mental health will be used against him in the court of the press and public, and the Kardashian’s will once again come out on top. But Kanye doesn’t help himself, and he will make their job of smearing him even easier when the time comes.
Thank you for that. I’m sick of everyone trying to pin it all on Kim. I’m no fan of hers, but as someone who has a loved one who has BPD, there isn’t much you CAN do to force that person to take meds/get medical help.
For everyone advocating divorce: Do not underestimate the power of money in divorce proceedings. They could drag on for years, and despite his history of mental illness, he could easily be awarded some form of unsupervised access to the kids. I think right now Kim is probably letting him see the family when he is well, and keeping herself and the kids away when he is not. It’s more control than she might have if they were divorced.
She may have “known” he was like this, but it is possible to fall in love with someone with mental illness. You can easily believe or hope that this time they will take their meds, that it won’t go so far, that they can still make changes, etc. He probably had extended stable periods when everything seemed like it would be just fine.
I am not a fan of Kim or her family. I think they have done terrible things for fame and publicity. But I have seen this exact situation in my own family, and it is really difficult.
Woo boy…
His tweets tonight are gonna be gossip fodder in the morning…
If I were Kim, those kids would not be alone with Kanye until he gets back on his meds…I would be petrified he might hurt himself, them or both.