Kanye West & Kim were talking about divorce well before his current manic episode

Paris Jackson attends church with Kanye West and the Kardashians in Calabasas

It was nice to wake up this morning and not be greeted by dozens of tweets-and-deletes from Kanye West. Maybe after Kim Kardashian issued that statement about his bipolar disorder, Kanye finally calmed down a little bit. Or maybe the people around him at the Wyoming Dome are doing a better job of getting Kanye some help. According to People Magazine, Kanye’s “close childhood friends from Chicago, Don “Don C” Crawley and John Monopoly flew in to Cody, Wyoming, joining West’s manager Bu Thiam who has been by his side.” Those dudes are “very concerned about his mental health and taking action. They are working to get him the help he needs. He’s been seen by a doctor. He was assessed, and the assessment on Monday determined that he did not need immediate hospitalization and that he was in a stable mental state at the time.” I mean… for someone with a bipolar disorder, this manic episode was nothing new. It’s just that it was all happening in public.

As for Kanye’s future with his wife Kim Kardashian, there’s still a stead drumbeat of stories about an impending divorce. I called this months ago – in April, May and June, there were TONS of stories about Kim and Kanye’s relationship struggles in lockdown, and they were pretty much taking a trial separation. That too is a pattern with Kanye – when Kim needs a full partner in marriage and parenting, Kanye isn’t there. Now sources tell People that yes, they were talking about divorce before this manic episode:

Kim Kardashian West and Kanye West had been discussing a split some time prior to the rapper’s latest string of controversial statements and Twitter sprees, multiple sources tell PEOPLE. Late Tuesday night, West, 43, claimed on Twitter that he had been considering divorcing Kardashian, 39, since November 2018. Now, one insider confirms to PEOPLE that the “divorce had been in the process for several weeks.”

A second source with knowledge of the situation says, “There has been enough communication, both in the past few days and in the weeks prior, to establish that both sides feel the marriage is over.” The source says discussions of divorce have been “a long time coming.” The stars, who have been married since 2014 and share four kids, “were even attempting to figure out the most amicable and loving co-parenting situation,” the source adds. “But now Kanye has, well, he has gone down a different path. Both in terms of deciding to announce his presidential bid, and also in terms of how he is choosing to express himself and the things he is choosing to say.”

“They have work to do, as parents and as spouses who want to end this phase of their relationship,” the source continues. “Kanye knows all of this, and everything that is happening right now is just like a horrible sideshow to what the real issues are. First and foremost, he has some needs that have to be met, urgently,” the source adds. “Then they need to move forward in terms of structuring a split that can be amicable and healthy for both of them and most of all for their four children.”

According to the source, the two “were already nearing the end of their marriage” prior to West’s recent actions. “There have been multiple attempts to talk to him about the situation, but right now nothing is proving successful,” the source says.

The source adds that Kardashian’s priority is her children: daughters North, 7, and Chicago, 2, and sons Saint, 4, and Psalm, 14 months. “The Kardashian women stand by their men, that’s true,” the source says. “But Kim is also a mother and a fierce protector of what she holds dear: her children first and foremost, but also her image and her reputation and what she’s worked for. She is not going to standby and act like what Kanye is saying and doing doesn’t matter or doesn’t have a lasting impact.”

“They are done,” the source adds. “And it’s time for some real work to be done to get everyone healthy and moving forward with their lives.”

[From People]

I’ve been reminded so much this week about the 2016 Paris armed robbery, how Kim thought she was going to die and how traumatized she was. There have been shades of that moment this week – in 2016, Kim got dragged and blamed for being a victim of a crime, and Kanye simply was not there to support her (his breakdown soon followed her trauma, and she had to be HIS support when she was still dealing with her trauma). This month, we’ve seen Kim has been the long-suffering pillar of strength to a man with a mental illness. Once again, she’s getting dragged for it and blamed for it, and once again, she could use an equal partner and no one is there.

Kim Kardashian steps out of her hotel in Asian inspired top in NY

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  1. Izzy says:

    He’ Very publicly having a major manic episode but he seemed stable? Are we sure his friends and manager aren’t hindering him from getting the help he needs?

    • Blondems says:

      My sister is severely bipolar and unfortunately, when she is having an episode, for the most part she doesn’t ‘seem’ crazy. Like, she says horrible, unfair, hurtful things to us – it’s like a form of gaslighting, but to someone outside the situation, she doesn’t necessarily look unwell. That’s one of the horrors of the condition. :(

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        This sounds very familiar to me. The hurtful explosions, then the silence, then it’s as if none of it ever happened. Just slate wiped clean. It is nothing less than exhausting, and being accused by this person of gaslighting him/her when I am simply trying to point out that we have differing opinions cuts me to the core. Over and over again.

    • Donn says:

      I’ve been reading about his acquaintances going to see him. This actually may be helpful. Sometimes when my husband has been in a manic episode, I’m too close to it. If his friends are here dealing with it, they can even somewhat disagree with him and he handles it much better than me doing it. I don’t know why but if a family member seems to be against him, he can’t deal with it. I also think someone not related disagrees, it doesn’t seem like as much of a betrayal. They have an easier time changing his focus and the subject.

    • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

      This is why it’s so gross that these “sources” keep commenting on his mental health. Most people have a very specific and narrow view of what ‘crazy’ looks like. So “sources” saying a doctor ‘determined that he did not need immediate hospitalization’, what does that mean to people who don’t understand that mental illnesses are chronic conditions that need perpetual management? When a ‘source’ says Kanye West is stable but he’s in the middle of a manic episode…what does that even mean?
      My guess is that they’re implying he’s not experiencing any suicidal ideation.

      I don’t think his friends are necessarily hindering from getting help, but this backchannel of updates on Kanye’s mental condition is not helping at all.

      • Ronaldinhio says:

        Don’t forget you can be stable in mania as odd as that sounds.
        We have no idea of his pattern Of BP
        What I dislike is that I feel he has been beginning to become controlling and abusive around her
        What she wears, who she sees, where she is. Then the idea of do this or I start to drop information about you and your family
        The thing is that people believe mental illness to equal stupidity.
        He can have 1000 things in his mind at once and give equal weight to them all. This finesse is what he lacks.
        So,etching in his turn to Jesus has made him hate everything the woman he married stands for
        Personally I didn’t like the racial slurring or dropping Larsa Pippen’s name

        My experience tells me that as his mood will move so will his feelings. Eventually if unmedicated it becomes to hard and to painful to bear for the patient and those close to them
        I am concerned for KK and her family

  2. Eleonor says:

    She is not my favourite person, but this “blame the woman” it’s awful.

    • Char says:

      Exactly.

    • vanna says:

      It’s awful. She’s been a good wife to Kanye, by all accounts he got everything he asked for and wanted. And now she’s again being dragged down for his mess. I am glad the K-Klan is tightly knit and I am happy her family is probably assembling around her to support her and the kids.

  3. Jekelly says:

    I think for her own mental health and that of the kids that a divorce maybe the best thing for her. It’s sad and upsetting how she keeps getting blamed for his mental illness. I’m so concerned for those kids.

  4. Aang says:

    We are worried about her children. Now think about all the kids who’s parents aren’t rich. Who’s parent can’t even afford a lawyer so a drug addicted, mentally ill (untreated), or otherwise dangerous parent gets access to or even custody of a child. It happens every day. Her kids will be far better off than any other children in this situation.

    • ooshpick says:

      amen!

    • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

      @Aang That’s an excellent point, and I wish there were more articles out there to report on this and advocate for these children. Lockdown has made such situations infinitely worse.
      In the UK, the number of children in crisis has gone through the roof. Much of it is down to extreme poverty, children relying on school because they will be fed there (and many teachers pay from their own pockets to feed the hungry little ones, and buy them coats and shoes). The Tories had to be shamed into giving poor families food vouchers. With mental health, it’s ten times worse. Mental health services were already in crisis. The NHS shut down everything that wasn’t Covid related (10+ million people out of a population of 68m are on waiting lists now) just when demand for mental health help skyrocketed. The service is stretched so thin its dissolved into lace. Getting targeted help for urgent cases of self-harm, bipolar and schizophrenia is exceptionally difficult (and even more difficult for juveniles). Sectioning someone is almost impossible to achieve unless they have caused harm. These poor kids in my country are stuck in the home with volatile and often unmedicated people (because, again, Covid has made a •LOT• of cases slip through the cracks) and they have literally nowhere to go. It’s weepworthy. Thank you for posting about this.

  5. Restless Bitch Face says:

    What I can say from personal observations is that sometimes a person having a manic episode can mask their symptoms for short periods, mostly to protect themselves. I’m not saying everyone can, but it is possible that when people come to visit him, he plays the part long enough to make his friends question whether or not there’s a problem. Especially for someone who has been hospitalized and wants to avoid it at all costs. It’s not really manipulation, it’s self-preservation. And I also think that people with mental health issues know the questions they will be asked and know how to answer, for example, “do you ever think of hurting yourself?”, “of course not. I love my life.” Plus the added stress of knowing the divorce is coming, even if that’s what he wants, will definitely kick off another episode. That’s my opinion.

    • Soupie says:

      ^^Bingo. Absolutely. They behave well with judges, law enforcement, probation officers, drug testers, at AA meetings etc. With people that they think matter more than you do – the person they live with that loves them the most! Self preservation: that’s really what they care about. Staying the same, having freedom ,making their own choices, not being controlled by anyone. Those are things they rant on and on about every single day.

      • Mira says:

        Speaking from personal experience. I was diagnosed 11 years ago.

        “They behave well with judges, law enforcement, probation officers, drug testers, at AA meetings etc. With people that they think matter more than you do – the person they live with that loves them the most!”

        For me, this is the most difficult thing about being bipolar: hurting the people I love. Even when your loved ones know that you’re mentally ill and that every horrible thing you say and do is caused by the manic episode, it hurts their feelings in an irrevocable way. And when the manic episode is over, you are overwhelmed by guilt and such a massive guilt is so very difficult to deal with when you’re already sinking into a deep, paralyzing depression. It takes the entire family a lot of time and patience to heal after this experience, and I’m very grateful that my husband has decided to stay with me even after everything me (my illness) put us through.

        But I wanted to comment on how the people you love don’t matter when you’re manic. This is true, at least according to my experience. (I can’t talk for anyone else.) It is very difficult to explain but let me try. Try to imagine that there is a part in your mind that “handles” feelings you have for your loved ones, your partner and kids, your mom and dad, siblings, friends etc. Next, try to imagine how that part of your mind is simply cut out. It is not there anymore. Where it used to be, there is now only an empty space.

        Normally, when you see your kids when they come home from school, you feel love, you want to hug them, you want to ask them how they are, you want to make sure they’re okay. During a manic episode, those feelings are not there. (Again, just speaking for myself here.) They don’t “activate themselves”. For me, my loved ones were meaningless. They didn’t matter. Until one of them tried to stop me from doing something I wanted to do (move to another continent without my family, because why not). Then they became annoying people, who I tried to avoid as much as I could because they didn’t understand anything. In the end, I wanted them to just disappear. They did not matter.

        This sounds sad and hopeless, but my husband always says that this explanation about the part of my mind not being there at all helped him to understand. It made him feel a lot better knowing that I didn’t have some kind of internal struggle over what I should and shouldn’t do. Because that means I never made a conscious choice to hurt him. Instead, this illness changed my mind in a way that prevented me from having the feelings I usually have. Now he says that the only thing that would really hurt him would be me choosing to not take my meds. I haven’t done that so far and I hope to god I never will.

      • Saartjie says:

        Mira, thank you for sharing – that sounds absolutely terrifying.

      • Donn says:

        Mira, I made my comment above somewhat on the same issue. You nailed it.

      • Dl says:

        Oh jesh. You just described my youngest and her behavior for 20+ years

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @Mira Thank you so much for sharing your story – it is fantastically brave of you to have done so, and I hope you know how much you are admired for being so honest and forthright about this condition. All the best wishes in the world to you.

    • Soupie says:

      (Duplicate)

    • STRIPE says:

      Yes I have seen the same. My family member stays employed at her waitress job (where she has to interact with people all day) well into if not entirely through her manic episodes.

  6. Soupie says:

    Thank you Kaiser for defending Kim in this situation. Not every situation, but THIS situation. It is not unreasonable for Kim to hope and expect that Kanye step up and be a real parent. I doubt that he has ever done that. Maybe here and there but not on an on going frequent basis. I don’t doubt that the kids love him and sometimes have a good experience of him but at this point it’s better that they divorce and Kanye have visitation and that someone be present when he is with the children. Kim may not really want a husband and I think that is true but I do believe that she really wants Kanye to be a good and involved parent which I doubt he is.

    • MA says:

      +1 Kaiser’s analysis is open minded and spot on. This is usually a progressive site but a good number of the comments are twisted with misogyny and hatefulness. It’s not hard to separate a problematic person from real issues like mental illness if you just have a dose of empathy. Attitudes like this contribute to the stigma and ignorance around mental illness: Funny how Catelynn Jenner is actually an asshole but progressives weren’t transphobic, in fact she got sympathy despite being an asshole.

  7. Scollins says:

    Kim’s entire adult history has been money & fame at all costs. Kanye has had mental health issues his entire adult life. She profits off of him at every turn and grins all the while. Zero sympathy for the kardashian vultures. They’re laughing all the way to the bank, excited for their next season theme. ,,

    • ME says:

      I have to agree. They are currently filming for the next season. You really think we won’t see this all on the show? Of course we will, but it will be heavily edited to fit the Kardashian narrative. Also, Kanye WAS there for Kim after the robbery. He flew all the way to Paris to be with her and fly back to LA with her.

      • babsjohnson says:

        Exactly. He left abruptly one of his shows to be with Kim on that day.

      • Kebbie says:

        The immediate aftermath is not even necessarily the most difficult part of recovering from trauma like that. It is the weeks and months that follow that are most difficult.

        Six weeks after she suffered that trauma, he had to be hospitalized. And only then did he cancel the rest of the tour. Like four days after she was robbed, he was back on stage in Chicago. He kept touring throughout October and November while she was in Los Angeles. His mental illness is not his fault, but she needed a stable supportive partner and he wasn’t able to be that for her.

      • Krystina says:

        @ME
        They actually won’t be filming what’s going on with Kanye. Kim is apparently putting her foot down and refusing to document it for the show, and refusing to allow them to film how their kids are dealing with it.
        Which I think is a smart move.

    • Sid says:

      Same. The men and women in that family have shown who they are time and time again. Look at what Rob has been trying to do to Blac Chyna. The only people who have my sympathy are all the children involved in this circus who have to grow up amidst this nonsense.

    • Delight_ says:

      I really dislike these kinds of comments; I completely respect your opinion of the Kardahians, because monetizing everything they touch is their business. But I don’t think for a second that Kim Kardashian is in this situation snickering and laughing all the way to the bank. You don’t stick it out with someone who has mental health issues and acts out this way (saying a lot of hurtful things) publicly because you want to make more money; you stick it out because you love the person and want them, and have hope that, they will get better even when it’s obvious they won’t. So yes, everyone is worried about the kids, and rightly so; and yes, she’s making money as we speak. But saying that she’s making money out of this, and excited until next season of KUWTK, is completely cancelling her feelings and disregarding the emotional toll this has probably taken on her and her family. A little empathy goes a long way. Just because she’s Kim Kardashian doesn’t mean she isn’t hurting like the rest of families who have someone with a mental disorder that refuse treatment and lash out, even if she lives in a big mansion and is worth millions of dollars.

      • Scollins says:

        I respect your view but as I’ve learned with trump & crew is that there really are soulless people all around us.

      • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

        KKW is not smiling and I am sure she is hurt and disappointed to be approaching the end of her third marriage, divorcing the father of her children. She seems like a person who truly enjoys being a wife and I am sad that what seemed initially like a pretty good match has been a crappy relationship.
        It is terrible however how she, her team, and her family are operating an anonymous backchannel of updates on Kanye’s medical condition. That is not only destructive to Kanye’s relationship with the family, but ultimately a calculation to rehabilitate her brand image after the divorce. This is the way she operates the business of being KKW. So, no she is not ‘laughing to the bank’, but having unnamed sources narrate her husband’s manic episode to frame the conversation to her benefit is a decision that ultimately effects her brand’s bottom line.
        I think it’s gross that this is part of her strategy, but one could make the argument that Kanye’s had this coming to him (not the episode, but her brand spin) because he has been an absent partner for the better part of their union (I don’t agree with that).
        We don’t need to make KKW into a cold-hearted soulless she-devil to say that her bread-and-butter is the court of public opinion.

      • MA says:

        +1 Delight
        It’s gross and reminds me of how so called feminists accused Kim of lying about her Paris ordeal when she was assaulted, robbed, and thought she was going to be raped and murdered. Or they said she deserved it.

    • Jules says:

      It’s as simple as: when two narcissistic fame-whore assholes unite and then break-up, this is what ya get.

      The Kris Jong Un memes from yesterday gave me life.

    • lucy2 says:

      Up to this point, I agree with you, but I think this situation might be different and one they can’t control and manipulate. I don’t doubt they will try to in the future, I do not look forward to all the endless “Kim’s rebuilding her life” articles and stuff, but I think this has gotten beyond their control.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      She is setting this up for her revisionist history – something the Ktrashians are famous for.

  8. taylor says:

    It’s for the best. She’ll do perfectly fine without him, and they’ll always have an association via their children (the association/status/cute kids seemed to be the only reason she put up with him). As for him, I imagine things get much worse before they get better.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      I think everything you just said is spot on. But man alive she sure paid a big price for whatever reasons she had for marrying him. Now there are 4 kids who are publically riding this train with their parents.

  9. Girl with the Soup Tattoo says:

    Wait, so back in 2018 they were discussing divorce (after just having another kid) and they still went forward and had the last one? Come on….I feel for Kim here but if his issues were that deep what the hell were either of them thinking going through the process of having another gestational carrier? It’s not like it’s an accidental pregnancy. I feel for the kids so much more, the disclosure of the timing in this….doesn’t look great.

    • Renee says:

      Exactly!!!!!!

    • jenjamTX says:

      That was my first thought after reading this article. Why did she keep having kids?

    • Trashaddict says:

      Yeah, thought of that. Thinking the kids would save the marriage would be the nicest thought. More alimony would be the worst. Could be that, like a lot of bipolars, maybe Kanye is really fun when he’s a bit manic and that was attractive. Seems like for bipolars they try to keep their meds dosed in a way that they feel a little up instead of down, so they’ll keep taking them.
      It must be weird being their kids, either super public life or having to hide out to avoid the paps. Hope none of them inherits the bipolar gene.

    • Ange says:

      Yes! He’s been unwell and unreliable for so long but Kim just kept capitulating and having more kids. It’s not enough to have a man to father the kids, he has to be worthy of the role for the kid’s sake.

  10. Dutch says:

    “The Kardashian women stand by their men, that’s true,” the source says about the family that has around six divorces on its resume.

    FTFY People.

    Got no problem with anybody getting about of a bad marriage/relatonship, but let’s not hold Kim, who is staring down the barrel of divorce No. 3, up as some paragon of marital virtue.

    • Bevvie says:

      Right, none of the K women have stable relationships with their baby daddies. And while I have never been a Kanye fan (I don’t find him talented or attractive). But this is some karma for Kimmy, as she treated her last husband horribly in order to get back at Reggie Bush and made a spectacle of herself, not in a good way. You reap what you sow.

    • Jules says:

      The “source” must be exhausted from running to the press every 10 minutes yesterday. Trying to win the battle of public image.

  11. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    Kim Kardashian has been turned into a comedy figure, a pantomine villain about whom it’s easy to have strong feelings. Everything is exaggerated: her looks, her ass, her house, her cars, her ego. She’s capitalised very well on it. Rather than being broken by her initial exposure to, er, fame, she’s built an empire around her body and appearance, and the character she plays on her reality TV show. She’s not taken seriously as a prospective lawyer because of her past (which can be seen as inevitable, albeit unfair) and she’s being dragged through the dirt by a man who, if his lyrics and public outbursts are anything to go by, really does not like women. He, like most narcissists, sees others only as they are useful to him.
    I really don’t believe that Kim deserves any of the opprobrium she’s getting. Yes, she can be sharp, brash, calculating and ruthless. In a man that’s celebrated and turned into films like ‘Wall Street’. We women are still stuck in the nurturing/caregiver mould, and it stinks. It seems she tried to get Kanye medical help and he lambasted her on Twitter, slandering his child in the process. If she stays away she’s accused of being uncaring. She can’t win, and this must be crippling for her mental health. It’s traumatic. She’s managed, however, to display dignity, kindness and support. I don’t care if that’s just good PR. She doesn’t deserve to be attacked and slut-shamed by a man who pledged to honour her.

    • Otaku fairy says:

      This. At the same time, the slut-shaming and the whole blame the woman approach haven’t exactly been discouraged prior to this. When women are told not to look at misogyny as minority or marginalized status, it’s downgraded to ‘just criticism’, and age limits are imposed on how long girls like Billie Eilish can even talk about misogyny, it’s not really surprising that people see nothing wrong with that where 39-year-old Kim Kardashian is concerned.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @OtakuFairy You’re correct, in that misogyny and concomitant slut-shaming are so internalised and encoded in the collective consciousness that to challenge it elicits derision, invective or more commonly, more of same. It’s the extension of the – British, at least – trope: ‘get back in the kitchen. Get your tits out, darling. He didn’t marry her for her brains’, and the microaggressions of mansplanations, overtalking/ignoring, and spatial dominance. I don’t know which wave of feminism we’re on now, but we’re still at the bottom of the mountain.
        In the narrative surrounding Kim Kardashian, the public slut-shaming and Kanye’s outbursts seem disingenuous to the extreme. Kim has never been apologetic (nor should she) about her sexuality. She’s a beautiful woman who has made an empire off her appearance and has not been exploited; rather, she’s monetised desire. (She’s not, for example, and you and I have debated on this point, an Emily Ratjatowski (sp. incorrect?) who has tried to represent herself as a feminist while playing on purely misogynistic tropes.) Kanye knew who and what Kim was when he married her. He wrote some (pretty misogynistic) songs about his desire for her, that she represented the culmination of sexual fantasy. To then disrespect the core of her being, to accuse her of immorality and to rail at her family re: Playboy (I can’t begin to accurately process his claims about North, which I find utterly reprehensible) shoots is the worst kind of hypocrisy. Misogyny in a nutshell, really. He ‘acquires’ the ‘dream’ and then sets about denigrating her, clothing her, dictating her behaviour and lastly shames her for the very facets he found attractive. People are being far too kind to him, I think. Would you agree, or…?

      • Otaku fairy says:

        The only time she (Emily ) played on misogynistic tropes, as far as I know of, was with that Blurred Lines video. But I agree with the rest of what you said.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @OtakuFairy Thanks for your response… I do like to be able to have intelligent conversations with intellectuals on this site! (My town is high on gossip, low on books – it’s pretty barren, debate-wise.) I was referring to the spaghetti-writhing-because-feminism incident. I don’t want to fall into the trap of defining someone’s feminism or its limits for them, but… that simply played into misogynistic tropes: women as purely sexual objects who exist to draw and please the male gaze. If she wants to draw and please the male gaze, fair play to her: she’s achieved what she wanted. But the idea that it’s empowering and a feminist moment… no. I just can’t square that circle.

    • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

      Have you read Jia Tollentino’s Trick Mirror? In the book she has an essay that deals with this form of argument, “The Cult of the Difficult Woman.”
      The thesis is essentially how the ‘reframing of female difficulty’ in the context of white women celebrities and power figures negates or at the very least ignores power dynamics and structures feminism addresses.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @QueenMeghan’sHand (I •love• your username, by the way) I haven’t read the book, no: I shall see if I can get hold of a copy, because the chapter you cite sounds fascinating. Does it deal with intersectional dynamics? Thank you for the recommendation.

      • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

        @Andrew’s Nemesis I love yours too!
        Yes. It’s really thought-provoking and explores the limitations of applying feminist critique to women celebrities. The essay doesn’t seek to resolve *how* to critique women celebrities in a way that doesn’t perpetuate misogyny but rather complicates using feminist language and basic ideas when talking about famous women, particularly white famous women.

    • K. Tate says:

      PREEECH!!! ^^^This is so very true! If only everyone could have capitalized on the silly things we’ve done in our youth! I feel so sad for her and the kids. I always figured Kanye’s hate for women would eventually start to shine on the Kim and also Kris. This is not over.

  12. Lory says:

    How worried has she been? She endorsed him for president. What a reckless and short-sighted thing to do.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Did it occur to you that the reason she did that (and she didn’t actually endorse anything) to keep the lines of communication open with him?? To make sure that behind the scenes she was keeping a connection open with someone who in all likelihood was isolating during his episode.

      • Lory says:

        She retweeted his announcement and added an American flag. She’s his WIFE. She can contact him any number of ways, least of which in a public forum like Twitter.

      • Anne Call says:

        Yeah. They’re both selfish raging narcissists and I feel really sorry for their kids (why did she have 4 children with a man with serious mental issues?). Also, when trump loses and starts trumpTV, Kanye will probably happily have his own show. Trump and Kanye are like two peas in a pod.

    • Scollins says:

      No kidding. And all his loathsome racist crap.

    • Jules says:

      Right. It would be interesting now to look back on her posts and how many times she’s posted adoring family photos, painting the perfect family image, gushing over Kanye. When now her team is saying they’ve been considering divorce for months. Everything about this family, FAKE.

      • ME says:

        Kim and Kanye were on vacation in the Dominican Republic just last week ! None of this makes sense to me. Also, why didn’t they have to quarantine upon return to the U.S. ?

  13. zwella Ingrid says:

    Kim is a “long suffering pillar of strength”? You’ve got to be f@cking kidding me. She does not have a clue what f@cking suffering is.

  14. Jessica says:

    Are we sure Kayne is only bipolar? He’s showing signs of schizophrenia to as well to me.

    • Scollins says:

      Think that’s a possibility also.

    • Jensies says:

      He seems pretty classic bipolar 1 to me, with psychotic features. With schizophrenia, you’d expect to see a flatter affect, more bizarre delusions, and more cognitive decline.

  15. Daisyfly says:

    Yeah, no.

    Is it good that she’s saying to offer compassion to those suffering from a mental illness? Yes. It’s fantastic.

    But this is a woman who is all about her image. She and her sisters have done their best to monetize every single thing about their lives and purport themselves to be victims at every single turn, turning that into money through their show.

    Kanye needs help. His manic phases get more and more self-destructive and no one around him has been doing anything to disturb his “genius” because of one thing and one thing only: money. I’ve seen this before in my own family and the end result was a violent suicide and no one wanting to accept responsibility for anything because they all still got paid.

    If you think this isn’t part of the long game, you’re fooling yourself. She knows she can’t bash him without damaging her brand. She knows the public is aware that she spends little to no time with him if it isn’t necessary for filming. Her awareness of his illness is only through secondhand knowledge as a result. This Instagram post? It’s a well written screed put forth to garner sympathy and praise, and it’s worked.

    • sunny says:

      Yes to all of this!

      For Kim this is probably about her children yes but it is also a business decision about her brand. I do feel sympathy for both of them though- Kim because she probably has been struggling to manage a troubled partner for years and Kayne for his mental health struggles.

      Both of these people have shown themselves as horrible- Ye is a misogynist and a racist and Kim who has exploited black people and culture to a sickening degree. However in this case, they both deserve sympathy and I hope they and their children come out of this in a better place.

    • Scollins says:

      +1

    • Jules says:

      Yes! A quote from Kim, I mean the source spilling all the beans: “But Kim is also a mother and a fierce protector of what she holds dear: her children first and foremost, but also her image and her reputation and what she’s worked for.”

      I mean, she spells it right out for us. Image, reputation, her business empire.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @Jules But what is actually •wrong• with that statement? She’s worked hard, after being made a figure of derision and sexual excess through that sex tape, to be successful in her own way, and is now one of the most famous women on the planet. She’s created a business empire despite the endless mockery, misogyny and snap judgments. She’s chameleonic, inasmuch as she’s morphed from ‘internet sleaze girl’ (not my words) to prisoner advocate, helped to get people released from unjust sentences, and the Armenian genocide recognised. She’s a household name, Vogue cover and has extended her influence from film to fashion. Why should she lose all this? Why should someone who is racist, misogynistic, narcissistic and lacking in any self-awareness and self-control vis-a-vis his medication, destroy it all for her? Where is the justice in that; that he has a meltdown (which always seems to coincide with a new album drop), slut-shames her, betrays his little daughter in the worst way, and ruins her life?
        Disclaimer: I can’t stand the woman or what she stands for. I find her vapid and vulgar and a pretty atrocious influence in many ways. But, objectively, I don’t see why she ‘deserves’ to lose everything because Kanye’s off on one again.

  16. Jan says:

    The problem I have had with this whole situation from the very beginning is Kim knew when she married him that he was Bi-polar. Why would you have children with a man that dooms them all to have a 50% chance of being Bi-polar?? I have worked as a therapist at a Psychiatric facility for 34 years and having this disorder is hell for so many people. Why would you selfishly take that chance on your children???? And yes, this is a proven medical fact!

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      This. I actually edited my post because I thought I was being too harsh & discriminatory. But this!!

    • AMM says:

      You’ve been a therapist for that long and you believe that one parent with BPD means the kids have a 50% chance of getting it? That is absolutely not a proven medical fact.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @Amm Right? According to this there is a 15-30% chance of a child with one parent who is bipolar and one who isn’t, and a 50% chance if •both• are bipolar:
        “A child of one parent with bipolar disorder and one without has a 15 to 30 percent chance of having BP.
        If both parents have bipolar disorder, there’s a 50 to 75 percent chance that a child of theirs will, too.
        If you already have one child with BP, there is a 15 to 25 percent chance that another of your children will also have it.
        If one identical twin has BP, there’s about an 85 percent chance that the other one will as well. In three other studies, the chance of an identical twin also having bipolar disorder ranges from 38 to 43 percent with that of dizygotic (non-identical) twins being between 4.5 and 5.6 percent.”
        https://www.verywellmind.com/will-my-child-inherit-my-bipolar-disorder-380477

    • MuttonChop says:

      @ Jan This is incredibly offensive to those of us who live with either our own mental illness or a family member’s. How dare you suggest that we not have children? I suppose you’d prefer sterilization for anyone diagnosed with bipolar disorder? I’m so angry I can’t even coherently respond to this garbage. That you are a mental health professional and carry this much disdain for those you were supposed to help is disgusting. Your comments/ beliefs are the reason stigma around mental health exists. Your thoughts are the reason why people don’t seek help for fear of judgement. The vast majority of people with a mental illness can go on to live productive and fulfilling lives when they have access to medication and mental health professionals who actually have the compassion and desire to help.

  17. MamaFierce says:

    When these two got married, the last thing I would have expected would be being sad when they got divorced. But here I am, sad for them. After watching all they have been through, plus having four kids, it’s just sad to watch the marriage disintegrate. I’m holding out hope that they manage to pull though and stay together.

    • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

      @MamaFierce I don’t. His feelings towards little North are profoundly frightening, actually. He treats her like his only child (perhaps because she was the only one Kim could carry to term?) and seems intent on enforcing a Bible-or-nothing life on her. He’s already policing her sexuality. He’s slut-shaming her mother, the woman he had desired for years and then went full narcissist on (perfect-not so perfect-imperfect-change-evolve or be destroyed-nuclear button on the relationship – oh, and he wants control of the ACTUAL nuclear button as president). He has a very troubling attitude towards women and people of colour. And he won’t accept help, censure, advice – anything.
      I’d want to get my child far, far away from him (if I had one).

  18. Meg says:

    Man- ‘pillar of stength’? Really? Laying it on a bit thick dont you think?
    ‘when Kim needs a full partner in marriage and parenting, Kanye isn’t there’
    Other posts have been written here about other celebs not accustomed to being around each other this much due to quarantine but when it happens to kim shes the lonely pillar of strength, partnerless- but other celebs aren’t?
    This is the same family desperate for attention at all costs, the relationship decisions these women make are 100% for that purpose. Use the men for attention and discard them. Kanye is even calling that out in his tweets. She wanted attention for being married to a famous rapper more than someone who’d stick around otherwise she would’ve married someone like that.

  19. Dani says:

    Anyone who has been a fan of Kanye before he got with Kim and before this clothing line etc, the ‘old days’ Kanye…he has ALWAYS been this way. Maybe his behavior has become more erratic lately but I don’t know if this is the mental illness. I’m not disputing that he’s bipolar or even schizo, but I don’t think this is a manic outburst. I think this is just someone who is done being chewed out and spit out by this money hungry narcissistic family. We refer to Kris as Pimp Momma Kris here…is anyone surprised he referred to her as Kris Jong Un??? They are notorious for destroying men in their family. I think Kanye wants out and he has receipts.

    • Jules says:

      I think he has a lot of dirt too. But the K family will now try to spin everything to their advantage and say that he is mentally ill… which he clearly is. But where is the truth in all this? They have lost control of him and this is just the beginning.
      Kris Jong Un is the best thing that came out of this mess.

    • babsjohnson says:

      This. Kanye is how he always was. Superstardom probably worsened him a little but that man is stable. I don’t understand all the dramatics made about him. He has polarizing and sometimes shitty opinions which he is very vocal about like he always did. He is not acting erratic. He is the same as he was in 2009 and before. That’s how he promotes himself and his projects. Infamy is his brand. And the Kardashians know that damn well. Now stop the madness.

      • pk says:

        They have never cared about his public rants/tweets before, but this time he talked about Kim and Kris, so now they care. Now they want to talk about his mental illness. When he was attacking Taylor Swift and Amber Rose, Kim said Kanye didn’t have a mental illness and that he was just misunderstood. Hypocrites to the fullest.

  20. Mel says:

    Kris and Kim , reading the writing on the wall are now reframing Kanye’s issues into ” Poor, long-suffering Kim, she’s been through sooooo much and will rise from the ashes”. They will splash and spin this for their next season(respectful, right?) , there will be the magazine covers ” Kim fights for the kids, Kim looks for love again, Kim finds love again. blah, blah,blah. I’m sorry, but she has co-signed every manic thing he has said and done and made excuses for it, she is not responsible for this or him but she is no victim here, the only victims are those children, you know the children she continued to have with a man who she KNEW was mentally ill without thinking about the consequences for THEIR lives or mental health.

    • ME says:

      But come on, they make cute babies ! You know that’s all that matters to them right? The kids are beautiful so we need to keep having them…

    • meh says:

      The victimizing of Kim is just another pr stunt.

  21. emu says:

    So true. Kim needs some love right now.

  22. Rad says:

    The relationship was ruining the fine Kardashian name…

  23. Linda says:

    He is so gross I can’t even imagine waking up to that petulant face every day. I’m no Kardashian fan but she really lowered the bar when she married him.

  24. Toepietas says:

    The song n**** in Paris, did you hear what he sang about his own wife? It wasn’t flattering. I don’t feel sorry for her.

    I feel sorry for what they’re both going true.
    But: she got the vogue cover, she met AnnaW in person. Because of her fam, we can now wear leggings and sportswear outside the gym, and also spandex shorts, or biker shorts as we know them, yuck.
    She got all the media attention she wanted.

    Aldo very sad, that this is the receipt she gets: (but) Nothing, don’t forget, nothing is free, Only the sun, and air. For now.

    Now it’s all about securing the money…

    This is gonna be 😬🍿🥤