FF: Duchess Meghan really did tell people she was pregnant at Eugenie’s wedding

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Most of us figured out that the Duchess of Sussex was pregnant when we saw her fuller face and her loose navy coat at Princess Eugenie’s wedding in October 2018. Meghan did not announce her pregnancy until two days after Eugenie’s wedding though, and the Sussexes announced it then because they were already flying out to begin their South Pacific Tour. As it turns out, Meghan was “just under twelve weeks pregnant” when the tour began, which is around the time most women do start telling people (between the third and fourth month). But people took issue with Meghan’s timing overall, especially since there were widespread tabloid stories that Meghan was going around telling the Windsors about her pregnancy AT Eugenie’s wedding. Which, if true, would have been slightly off-side and I could see why the Yorks might be mad about it, if it happened like that. So is that what really happened? From Finding Freedom:

Meghan, expecting in the spring of 2019, was just under twelve weeks pregnant when the [South Pacific] tour began. But a Palace aide said Harry and Meghan were comfortable with the decision to announce the news early to avoid an entire trip of speculation around whether Meghan was pregnant. “She was already showing, and hiding it would not have been possible,” the aide said. “The rumors would have dominated the coverage and taken away from the entire purpose of the tour. Meghan didn’t want that.”

(The timing of the announcement might have worked with the tour, but it conflicted with another happy royal event: Princess Eugenie’s wedding. Family members had found out about the pregnancy just days prior, at the wedding of Harry’s closest cousin. It did not go down particularly well with Eugenie, who a source said told friends she felt the couple should have waited to share the news.)

[From Finding Freedom: Harry, Meghan, and the Making of a Modern Royal Family]

Well, that answers that – Meghan was telling people for the first time at the wedding, but it was more like a confirmation because she was already showing. I mean, I understand Meghan and Harry’s perspective that it is what it is and it’s not like they could hide it. But I also understand Eugenie’s perspective that it was thunder-stealing on her wedding day. This is likely why the Yorks left their fingerprints on several of the smears on Meghan following the wedding too, in my opinion.

FF also says that Eugenie and Harry are particularly close and that Harry often confided in Eugenie about his girlfriends. They also report that Eugenie is the one who introduced Harry to her friend Cressida. Still, FF says that Eugenie embraced Meghan early on and Eugenie and Jack went on several double-dates with H&M.

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  1. Nancy says:

    It’s weird but – I honestly didn’t think she was showing on the tour and I don’t think rumors would have overshadowed the tour as much as her pregnancy did. (Do not come at me, I’m not an H&M hater.)

    • Jegede says:

      She wasn’t.

      Seen in the early shots of their Aussie tour.

      They could, & should, have kept it quiet for longer.🤦‍♀️

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Agree with Jegede and Nancy. The Sussexes should have announced while on tour which is what I would have done.

        The Sussexes should not have told the family until after the wedding.

        Let Eugenie have the day she waited for so long all to herself.

      • Ennie says:

        Double, not, triple eyerroll.

      • Tessa says:

        This is not a big deal. I don’t get the uproar. I went to a wedding where someone announced a pregnancy and people were happy not outraged. There is such a problem with the RF> If it had Been Kate I think it would have been applauded.

      • julieJ says:

        I found out my cousin was pregnant with her third the day of my wedding. I told everyone. I just didn’t care. (she didn’t want to overshadow and tried hard not to take away from our day) But I thought, the whole family is together, we can celebrate multiple things. You always hear how close she is to Harry and how well liked the sisters are. Maybe she wasn’t THAT upset?

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I am a little surprised. This is a site where people have constantly been eyeing Meghan’s stomach and suggesting she has a uterine secret during the past 6 months. As much as her body is scrutinized, I doubt she could have made it through without people noticing. And she was telling family, not the press.

        They didn’t just see a 2D photo of her, they were with her and would have seen how her clothes fell around her body.

      • Cheri says:

        Also definitely not a H&M hater! I get how this happened, and all of that. It’s totally understandable, but I think a good rule of thumb is to ask in advance, “Hey is it okay if I announce this?” If the hosts/guest of honor says “no,” abide by that.

        As a guest, you’re trying to bring positive energy toward that event, and not distract from the celebration.

      • WhyAmIBeingCensored says:

        I was at one of their events in Australia, and tho she was very thin – she did look pregnant – especially if you were looking at her middle. With the way the press was focusing on how she looked, I’m sure the rumours would have started early and been incessant – so every day would be them denying or no commenting, when they had other stuff to do .

        I will say, she is more beautiful in person,as is Harry, and he was charmingly devoted to her, even tho it was an official event and they had to separate to meet all us plebs. He’s also much slimmer than pics would have you believe.

    • Laalaa says:

      I agree, and I felt the way she buttoned the coat was specific, and when I said this here, I was yelled at because how is she suppossed to button it if she has a belly already. I don’t think she had to hide anything because of any reason, but, tbh, this is the only time I thought she played the system a bit, so..

      • Priscila says:

        Maybe…or maybe she just did not drink alcohol and people start asking?

        Anyway, I am so surprised at the politics of weddings! I guess this will be Meghan´s venture into the ” Is Katre wearing offwhite” controversies?

        TBH, I truly do not think such a faux pas is reason for the Yorks to embark on a smear campaign with racial undertones, but that is just me…

      • Random user name says:

        Priscilla, that doesn’t really wash. Harry has been a member of the royal family since birth; he’s old hat at sidestepping invasive and rude questions by now. Meghan is also very poised and thoughtful with her speech. There’s about a million and one ways they could have deflected had someone asked them if they were expecting. I have trouble believing a guest at a major society wedding would even have the gall to approach them and say, “hey, heard you got knocked up!” or anything remotely to that effect. It was just a rude thing to do and some of y’all on this thread are really twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend it.

        ETA:who is this picture in my thumbnail?!

      • A says:

        @Random user, what is with this assumption. “Harry has been a member of the royal family since birth; he’s old hat at sidestepping invasive and rude questions by now” Lol no. Being a member of the royal family is not any sort of schooling on sidestepping rude and invasive questions, not by a long shot.

        I’ve seen this come up a lot in these comments, where Harry is expected to be her PhD supervisor or something in being royal, and it’s like??? ????? Where, how and what? Why?

        “It was just a rude thing to do and some of y’all on this thread are really twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend it.”

        I don’t want to toot my own horn here, but this sort of thing is what makes me think that Western wedding culture is just enormously stressful. Good lord these ridiculous rules. And the whole concept of it being “the bride’s day exclamation pointxinfinity.” I get that this is a cultural difference, but so much of it just seems so bizarre.

        We don’t even know the context here. It could very well be that Meghan had already announced her pregnancy to people before, so they knew about it. This could have included the Yorks. We don’t know the circumstances under which they were telling people about her pregnancy, and not every circumstance is created equally, or carries the same amount of rudeness.

        There are ways to discreetly, and politely, inform people that you’re expecting, not make it a big deal, and get one with one’s life. Acting like a bridezilla, pitching a fit, and refusing to behave graciously (which is pretty much what the Yorks did in the aftermath of this) is what’s rude.

      • Candikat says:

        I mean, did she grab the mic and announce it to the crowd as Jack and Eugenie cut the cake? Or did she discreetly tell a few people at her table when they offered to fill her wineglass? Pretty big difference between the two,

      • Amy Too says:

        About the way the coat was buttoned and her outfit “giving away” that she was pregnant: There are other “signs” that someone is pregnant besides just what their stomach looks like: not drinking alcohol, avoiding shellfish or other foods, being super tired, being super pukey, swollen ankles, fuller face, fuller or tender breasts, “glowing” skin, an extra solicitous spouse or partner, knowing looks between partners. There is a reason why most pregnancies, even celebrity pregnancies, are “found out” rather than “announced.”

        The not telling anyone you’re pregnant during another bride’s wedding seems misogynistic to me. Even the way it’s framed as “pregnant woman VS. bride,” and not “expecting couple VS. bride and groom,” with all the onus on the pregnant woman to not upset the bride. The suggestions on here that she lie, or evade the questions, or change the subject, or even stay home—we wouldn’t expect someone who was being asked “so did you get that job you interviewed for?” Or “did you hear back from the colleges you applied to yet?” to do those things. And a new job, or a school acceptance, do not come with obvious physical signs like a pregnancy does, but somehow the woman who looks changed and is acting changed needs to be extra careful not to confirm that she is goi bc through a change. Whereas the man who looks and is acting exactly the same is not expected to deny their new job or college acceptance.

        It just seems like people are mad that a pregnant woman was actively being pregnant in public during her pregnancy, when she should’ve been hiding her body better, or not hiding her body as much (as apparently that might “draw attention”), or feeling ashamed of the awkward timing (as if she—only she—did this on purpose to screw with everyone), or lying/denying/obfuscating when asked, or actively doing some kind of 007 undercover thing by bringing her own nonalcoholic champagne or speaking in code to the bartender (“when I ask for a whiskey soda, you just give me a ginger ale, but don’t tell anyone!”), or even literally staying home. These are all suggestions people have made.

        Why is it a shocking and somehow shamefully thunderstealing thing for a newlywed woman whom everyone knew was trying to get pregnant to be pregnant?

    • Becks1 says:

      She was showing enough that it would have definitely pulled focus and put all the RRs on “bump watch.” And it was typical early pregnancy – some days she looked more pregnant than other days, so she probably wasn’t comfortable not saying anything.

    • Artemis says:

      I’m not seeing it either (wedding or tour). She wore a baggy clothes so how exactly did people see a bump anyway? They saw one because they wanted her to be pregnant.

      Her fashion wasn’t good during the BRF period so you could have easily blamed it on bad tailoring. It really would have been easy to keep mum on somebody’s else’s special day.

    • LS says:

      This was in poor taste I’m sorry. But it seems to never be ok to say that when it comes to these two. I’m not a hater at all I just believe in calling certain behavior out as it is no matter who does it. Meg was not showing. She could’ve called the important family right after the wedding to say she was pregnant right before the tour started since they were going to officially announce it to the world on the tour. If Will and Kate had done this at their wedding nobody would think it was ok. Period.

      • minx says:

        Agree. I’ve seen this situation before—people not announcing a pregnancy at someone else’s wedding. I know it’s tempting because family are gathered and celebratory, but the announcement should be held off. If people want to speculate, fine. Give the bride and groom their day.

      • Jules says:

        Agreed. It seems that FF is balanced in that it is not showing that M and H are perfect. Of course they are not, no one is. Not sure how much the book is really helping them overall, it’s getting exhausting and simply rehashing the same old stuff. But the stans are gonna go cray.

      • Poisonella says:

        File this under people who propose at other people’s wedding- tacky.

      • Tessa says:

        If Will and Kate had made an announcement it would have been cheered. I think whatever Meghan did would be wrong with her critics. If she did not say anything she’d be accused of “hiding” the pregnancy. I was at a wedding where someone who was not showing announced a pregnancy. People thought nothing of it, and the bride and groom were happy for the person.

      • Green Desert says:

        Come on, you guys. You have no idea how this was “announced.” Maybe she quietly told one person who asked her, and that person blabbed to others who also approached and asked her and she just confirmed it.

      • Maria says:

        What we don’t know is whether Meghan discussed this ahead of time with Eugenie. Maybe Eugenie and Jack didn’t care even if her parents went through the roof. What she should have done is buttoned that coat all the way down. This is what made the press jump with all those accusations. She gave them enough of a hint that opened the door. And that Omid guy is a journalist and jumped on the bandwagon.

    • Kebbie says:

      She wasn’t showing at all, IMO. I honestly think they could have kept it a secret through the whole tour. Maybe she had already gotten in the habit of touching her stomach and that would have made it obvious. As for people speculating on pregnancy, that was happening anyway because of her age and everyone assumed they were ready to start a family.

      • s says:

        Agreed. She was not showing and did not need to announce when she did.

        It is possible they wanted announce in case she got sick/needed to rest during the tour –which I think did happen? Or did she just have a “rest day” planned… But even then, still rude to announce at Eugenie’s reception.

        I think annoucing at the end of the tour would have been better for keeping the focus on the tour and I. Games which were both over shadowed by the annoucement.

      • ShazBot says:

        I think maybe it’s more that it was SO on their minds that they couldn’t fathom that nobody would notice really based on how she looked?

        That said, I knew she was pregnant at that Cookbook launch. Her midsection was bloated and she couldn’t hide it. It’s so hit and miss on what your belly is going to do in early pregnancy – you can start the day with zero signs, and end it looking 5 months pregnant, and then be fine again in the morning.

        But I do think it was a case of it was such a huge deal to them, they didn’t realize other people weren’t as focused on it.

    • MA says:

      If you go back and look at pictures she read definitely showing. It didn’t look like she was Pregnant with a big bump but she looked visibly bigger in her midsection. A lot of her clothes were fitted and from Australian designers do it was too late to do anything about it. On a regular woman she’d just look like she gained weight but to an obsessed media it would’ve been something new to hound her over.

      • windyriver says:

        Totally agree, especially your last sentence.

        Something was noticeable – certainly noticeable enough to spark comment/speculation – in the video/photos from their first engagement, with the Governor General of Australia. Not so much in front views of her, but definitely visibly bigger when seen from the side.

      • A says:

        The fit of her clothes is a good point, and I was just about to say this. She could have had her dress + coat fitted, then started growing in the midsection afterward, at which point it might have been too late for alterations. I was honestly thinking that maybe she couldn’t button her coat down all the way, or that if she had, it would have definitely “shown” more that way than it did with the way she wore it.

        Why is it rude for Meghan to inform people she was pregnant, but it isn’t rude for the world at large to speculate on her pregnancy? Even though presuming the latter can lead to a great many more missteps in terms of etiquette and politeness than the former. (what if the person had just gained weight? Had a miscarriage or still birth? etc.)

      • Royalblue says:

        She looked pregnant on the tour while wearing some of her outfits, which I assume were selected months in advance. A fitted white dress comes to mind.

        In any case, I was thinking she thought it polite to tell the family face to face at the wedding, rather than them finding out two days later via media release when they were on tour. i assume she thought it best to announce it at the beginning of the tour to avoid explaining her avoiding wine, or her feeling tired and needing rest.

        Those people are crazy. Eugenie’s day was not spoiled in anyway. I am sure Willnot and Cannot congratulated Eugenie and Jack on their nuptials in the same manner they would have, had they not known about the pregnancy. they are so full of themselves, the whole lot of them.

    • detritus says:

      Why should she have to wait? It is what it is. She also wouldn’t be able to drink, so people would talk regardless.

      Honestly, if a damn princess can’t be gracious about the facts of life she needs to get back to finishing school.

      It’s not like their good news tarnishes someone else’s good news. It’s not like they hired a plane to fly a banner over the bridal party.

      • anonymous says:

        Thank you. If this is what’s going to tank her relationship with her “close cousin”, girl is in for a world of hurt in life. If admitting a pregnancy at a family wedding gets you put on the shit list, what does raping teenage trafficked victims get you? Hmm? I’m sorry I didn’t quite hear you dear…..

    • Priscila says:

      Ugh, this thread is delusional.

      What you are doing is :

      1) Behaving like this situation is way worse than actually was;

      2) Placing the blame of what amounts to be faux pas solely on Megahn by saying stuff like ” She was not even showing! This was uncalled for” “She could have chose another dress that was not showing so much”, behaving like the woman stood in the middle of the room and screamed ” I am preggers, suckers!

      3) Ignoring the fact that Harry knows his cousin and he obviously thought privately confirming the news to a handful of family members would not bother Eugenie, but hell yeah, it is all on Meghan

      4) Dismissing any points being made that this is a silly thing ( You should not do that!) by telling commenters they are twisting things , that you like Meghan but you MUST absoltely MUST say when she is doing something wrong, oh my, stealing poor, privelged Eugenie thunder is the worst thing ever

      5) Behaving as if any and all conversations on weddings must be about the bride. Yes, the bride should be center stage and Eugenie was center stage. The wedding was not spoiled by any of this, but you must think it was huh? Nobody is to blame the crowds were not there for Eugenie when she took her superfluous carriage ride.

      There is a difference between bad behavior and faux pas. If this hurt Eugenie´s feelings, Harry should have known better. Yes, Harry- the people I know and attend the weddings would not have minded a privately done confirmation of such news.

      I would definitely agree if it was a flashy announcement- but it was not.

      Go back and read how the sentence was structured and stop exagerating :

      “Family members had found out about the pregnancy just days prior, at the wedding of Harry’s closest cousin. It did not go down particularly well with Eugenie, who a source said told friends she felt the couple should have waited to share the news.”

      You see? They just told family members at the wedding. Eugenie would have preferred they had waited, but this did not spoil her fun!

      • goofpuff says:

        seriously though how much of a bridezilla would you have to be that this even matters? Did she announce as the bride went down the aisle? do a full press bracket?

        why are so many brides so narcissistic? a wedding day is not about you. it’s about celebrating a happy event with family and friends. and a pregnancy announcement is not a big deal. there is plenty of love and attention to go around. and yes i did a big wedding but i was more concerned about my guests having fun then how much attention was paid to me. i would be thrilled to know about my cousins pregnancy even then.

      • A says:

        Seriously, if Harry and Eugenie are as close as they are stated to be in the book, and if Eugenie is as nice a person as she comes off in the book (and she comes off as very nice and laid back), then stuff like this should be a nothingburger. If you’re letting stuff like this get in the way of sincere friendships, then that’s a major problem, and perhaps your friendships aren’t as good or as solid as you might think.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        That source was probably Fergie.

      • MsIam says:

        I think this is a juxtaposition of two things. What happened with the family at the wedding and then the media announcement the next day. I think Eugenie feels the Sussexes should have waited a few days after her wedding to announce the pregnancy so people could “ooo” and “ahh” over her wedding pics. Or I should say Fergie and Andy wanted the afterglow. It’s a toss up whether the Sussexes should have waited but honestly it’s their first pregnancy and they were excited. Plus I think it’s a bit much to want to control what happens after your big event…

      • windyriver says:

        The media announcement wasn’t the next day. Eugenie’s wedding ceremony was Friday. Saturday was Day 2 of the wedding extravaganza, outdoor carnival/fair IIRC. The public announcement of the pregnancy was on Monday, after Harry and Meghan landed in Australia. So, Eugenie got her weekend of celebration, media coverage and photos, not to mention the two previous months of PR leading up to the wedding.

        I do suspect Fergie and Andy were looking for more PR mileage than they got after the wedding; seem to recall photos released of flower arrangements (and possibly something else) from somewhere indoors, that were released early the week after, not part of the photos distributed to the media during the wedding weekend.

      • Bev says:

        Exactly. Meghan didn’t even make any kind of announcement. Eugenie was really trying to police the private conversations between her wedding guests? The narcissism is off the chains.

      • MA says:

        +1 Priscila. Some of these comments are insane. Meghan didn’t ANNOUNCE anything at the wedding, she probably CONVERSED with relatives who asked her about the news since other relatives already knew. What was she supposed to do?

        And EVEN IF SHE DID break the news to some people, none of that deserves 10% of the outsized vitriol and criticism. This is perfectly normal conversation at any gathering, including a wedding.

    • ola says:

      Same here. And I’m on Eugenie’s side in this case. Meghan wasn’t showing yet and would have no problem keeping the pregnancy secret for a couple more weeks. Eugenie had a right to feel hurt by such great news stealing her thunder. Some things you just don’t do.

      I also think Eugenie and Hary USED TO be close. She has the same circle of friends as Cressie so when Harry and Cressida broke up, he might naturally grow apart from his cousin.

      • Tessa says:

        Harry and Meghan invited Eugenie’s mother to their wedding. William and Kate did not invite Sarah which really got her upset. Eugenie needs to consider that.

      • MsIam says:

        That’s a hell of a lot of nerve thinking somebody should keep their pregnancy secret for a few weeks to spare your feelings. Who made Eugenie in charge of the world? Look she took some beautiful pics, people thought she looked wonderful, how long was this supposed to go on? Frankly though I think it was Fergie and Andy who wanted the attention and were jealous.

    • HeyJude says:

      She might not have been showing but it’s pregnancy…she most certainly could have been feeling it.

      Had she been at the wedding getting sick, or on tour doing so, that would have been noticed. And she indeed was right the range of the morning sickness period of pregnancy at the time we’re speaking of.

    • Natters5 says:

      My sister told me she was pregnant at my brother’s wedding. She had been trying for awhile and had a few miscarriages early on but she had just passed the first trimester and was so happy she was bursting with the good news. My parents then were let in and my brother came over because he saw how happy everyone was. He and his bride then practically dragged my sister to the stage and made her announce it especially since our family and friends were there to congratulate her and her husband. We were all so happy so that is why I am wondering why this is an issue in the first place. It’s not like there was a public announcement at the wedding. Honestly if I was Eugenie the only cloud I would have had at my wedding was my father and the accusations that were coming out about him.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Isn’t it bizarre when people aren’t happy for their family members? The way your family reacted sounds like how people react when they truly love and care for each other. If only the royals treated each other like family and not competition.

  2. Sierra says:

    You do not steal the thunder away from the bride. Rule number 1 when attending a wedding.

    • Priscila says:

      The only way would be to Meghan not show up so people would not ask why she was not drinking alcohol….then people would come at her for not attending Eugenie’s wedding.

      I get Eugenie, but it is, as often, a lose-lose for Meghan.

      • Belli says:

        Ugh that’s how mine came out at a family birthday party. One of my aunts wouldn’t take no for an answer when I said I didn’t want prosecco. I had to let it out weeks before I would have wanted to.

      • f says:

        just lie and say you are doing a cleanse

      • tmbg says:

        I don’t think Meghan could have said this, but I just tell the truth and say I can’t because it interacts with a medication I take.

      • Gunna says:

        There’s very few guests who would have openly asked that at the wedding though. There might have been people talking, but it would take someone pretty brazen and or completely clueless to actually ask Meghan. And if someone was rude enough to ask it’s perfectly acceptable to lie in response.

        Plus how hard is it to just ask for something non alcoholic that looks like booze, or to just take a tiny sip of two of champagne and discreetly pour the rest out. Regular people manage it all the time.

      • Kebbie says:

        Everybody knew they were trying for a baby, she could have just said she wasn’t drinking because of that. Worked for my sister in law over the holidays lol we didn’t know until she was 3 months in because they had lost one early before and didn’t want to announce too early.

      • Montrealaise says:

        There are a number of reasons why someone wouldn’t drink alcohol, none of which are anyone else’s business. I love wine, but there have been periods in my life when I didn’t drink for medical reasons such as drug interactions, and I think the question ”Why aren’t you drinking?” is just rude (my response to someone who asks me that, unless that person is really close to me is ”Why would you ask me such a personal question?”. Shuts them up every time.)

    • molly says:

      Yes, I would be super pissed….hard to defend honestly…

    • Anance says:

      100% agree. That said, the Yorkies are nasty. Again, let’s look at Kate’s experience. During her long courtship, the Yorkies took a seat at a fashion show reserved for Pippa and then refused to move. I’m sure there were other slights behind the scenes. In fact, Kate and Pippa often retaliated in petty ways, like not telling Bea that a party was a costume party.

      So, this was a misstep on Meghan’s part. But, understandable given what we know about the blood princess’s behavior toward those that marry in.

      • Montrealaise says:

        How is it understandable? The book says that Eugenie welcomed Meghan warmly, unlike some other members of the royal family. And then Meghan does this to her?

      • paranormalgirl says:

        OMG! Did she hold up the reception at gunpoint to announce her pregnancy, then hire a band of dancing elephants with confetti and signs? She told a few family members who didn’t know yet. Maybe I’m just weird because I don’t think that weddings are some kind of magical “only notice the bride” days. Yeah. I’m weird. I know that.

      • Green Desert says:

        @paranormalgirl – 100% agree with you. You are not weird in your view.

      • Oya says:

        We forget that the leak about Harry and Meghan came from Eugenie and Prince Andrew. I am sure by this point Harry wasn’t as close to Eugenie. Also, the press was already all over Meghan from getting out of the car and walking into the church. Personally, if my friend or family member announced or told a few close family members at my wedding they were preggers, we would have celebrated, but that’s just me. I am not to feel slighted or like someone took away my shine because they had good news. That is space for both.

      • Tessa says:

        Maybe Harry said something, but the Meghan critics always blame her.

      • A says:

        @Montrealaise, “And then Meghan does this to her?” Calm the everloving f-ck down, lmao. I said this upthread, but I’ll say it again–if you let this sort of petty shit get in the way of your lifelong, sincere, friendships, then it wasn’t that much of a friendship in the first place.

        Meghan didn’t kill Eugenie’s mother and eat her intestines on the dance floor. So let’s keep things in perspective, ffs.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        paranormalgirl, well said!

    • detritus says:

      This rule needs to die.

      It’s absolutely astonishing that in this day and age the wedding is still looked at as being all about the bride, her crowning achievement and that everything should be about her. This type of social rule emphasizes and puts value on that notion, so burn it to the ground.

      I notice no one mentioning about ruining her husbands day. Or how Harry ruined her husbands day.

      Nope, Meghan by saying she’s pregnant (woman’s best value #1) she’s usurping Eugenies special day (woman’s best value #2). Men aren’t valued for their procreation or ability to ‘land’ a woman.

      This whole narrative of ‘her special day’ is sexist and gross. And to say she should lie to keep the peace? Piss on that.

      • CanukFoodie says:

        This. I swear to the goddesses, continuing these RIDICULOUS sh**ty social “rule” is so freakin’ brutal.

        We should not be putting brides on pedestals..it just breeds the contemptuous behaviour that we would call out as diva in other circumstances. If a bride makes it all about her, she is a Bridezilla, but if someone else deigns to speak about something else, or someone else’s news, they are a USURPER of all things wedding.

        It was discreet conversation with other people at the wedding. Its not like they broadcast it on the BBC at the same time.

        My cousin and I were getting married within a month of each other and everyone inquired about my wedding plans at the reception, and I tried to just make it about the bride for the day, but they genuinely wanted to know. For pete’s sake, it was just a convo..and it CERTAINLY didnt take away from the brides day. Then again, we arent royals, courtiers or other folks with our selfish heads stuck up our own a$$es.

      • Anners says:

        100% this. I do not understand why this was such an egregious faux pas. It was a family gathering, they were about to leave the country for an extended public trip, they shared their exciting news with family. I doubt it pulled that much focus – people are able to be happy about more than one thing simultaneously (even the emotionally repressed BRF). I really dislike this elevation of the wedding day to be the be-all and end-all of the bride’s life – as if nothing she has done or will ever do will matter as much. It’s limiting, gross, and all sets people up for spectacular disappointment.

    • Priscila says:

      Extremely disturbing these threads, especially paired with others from the time Beatrice got married.

      But there is something about average looking, a white princess with shitty parents that some find extremely appealing to a certain audience.

      Get a grip, people. Read the passage. Stop buying into this fake narrative, This was a non problem- and if it was a problem, then the person who should be blamed is Harry, not Meghan. Harry is the cousin of Eugenie, He is supposed to know what would piss her off or not.

      and you know what? Eugenie had the wedding she wanted, Taxpayers paid it. She is not a victim- stop projecting.

    • truth fairy says:

      I thought Rule #1 was don’t wear white? 😀

    • Bev says:

      I would say making an announcement would be stealing the bride’s thunder. That didn’t happen here. Private conversations are not stealing the bride’s thunder.

  3. Sofia says:

    Okay so I agree. I do get both perspectives here.

    I understand that Eugenie, as a bride, wants the day to be hers – which is understandable because every bride wants the day to be about her. So if you hear that your cousin-in-law is spreading/confirming her pregnancy news on your big day, you’re going to feel a certain way.

    But it also seems like people sort of just came up to Meghan and said: “So I heard you’re pregnant. Is that true?” And Meghan just confirmed which could come off as Meghan willingly telling everyone who would listen. I think if she tried to deny it or say she didn’t want to discuss it, rumours would swirl about how she’s hiding something (because that Tatler article has shown how petty they can be).

    But I don’t think Meghan jumped up on a table or went to every table at the party and said “guess what! I’m pregnant!”

    • Becks1 says:

      This is what I think happened and it makes sense considering Mike Tindall did say the family already knew. So she didn’t make a huge announcement and tell the queen or anything.

    • Jen says:

      I think this is likely what happened. It was an spreading around the family. Maybe they could have disguised it better and waited, but the timing with the tour would have made that difficult. As well, with Meghan’s slim frame, she likely felt she was “showing” much more than she actually was – I think a lot of first time moms think they’re showing more than is really noticeable to others. Because your thoughts and body are so dominated by the baby, that you think it is “so obvious” when it isn’t.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Let’s not forget that the press pretty much goes on bump watch after a royal wedding (whether a British or a European one). I followed the Oceania tour in real time – and the speculated started right before they announced because Meghan held a couple of binders before her stomach when they arrived. She may not have showed much but even the slightest thickening of her waist would have prompted endless speculation.

      • Kebbie says:

        I agree Jen, I think she felt like she was showing before it was actually noticeable to anyone else. She didn’t really pop until well after the tour, but she’s got a small frame and probably felt like she looked pregnant.

      • MA says:

        People were speculating even during the Together Cookbook launch, just because she doesn’t have washboard abs even though she is slim. She would’ve been a couple months at that point.

    • windyriver says:

      So, she wasn’t telling everyone for the first time at the wedding, the news was out there for the family at least a few days before. I also heard that Mike Tindall supposedly said the family knew before the wedding via private social media (WhatsApp?).

      She was showing enough at her first engagement in Australia that people/media would have eventually asked her about it, hence why they announced it publicly when the tour began, the Monday after Eugenie’s wedding. Even if they waited until the tour started to let anyone but, say, TQ and Charles know, they’d still be accused of overshadowing Eugenie. And how would the (larger) family have reacted if the public knew before they did?

      Plus, Eugenie didn’t just have a wedding day, she had a wedding weekend, most of which didn’t involve Harry and Meghan.

      Sounds like there weren’t a lot of great options, given the stage of her pregnancy. The obvious solution was for Meghan and Harry to have made sure she didn’t get pregnant until after Eugenie was married/*sarcasm*

      Though, since according to the book “someone” working for Eugenie/Andrew leaked the news that Harry was dating Meghan in the first place, after which all hell broke loose, perhaps there was a certain karma at play.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      It specifically says “the couple” shared the news with family…so not sure why everyone is assuming it was Meghan alone who confirmed she was pregnant.

  4. Léna says:

    Not a cool move… But it’s most likely she was telling people one by one (or just a few) rather than take a mic and announce it to everybody lol

  5. Priscila says:

    Blah- if you are showing, people will ask. Period. and she was showing.

    Honestly, and this goes to all the women in the family, even the married ins: I personally do not get the whole big wedding stuff. The bridezillas. Taking offense at everything. In my head, weddings are a social event where people mingle and talk to each other. I can see being mad if someone uses a toast that should be to the bride and groom and publically announce something big that has nothing to do with the couple. But family members speaking to family members? Are brides allowed to policy conversations?

    Methinks Eugenie is a mostly lovely person, but you do not get to the daughter of ANDREW and not have your moments. She is not a particular popular royal, but got her poney ride, where the crowds were not there, but she wanted and she got it. So yes- even the best of their bunch sounds a bit ridiculous to me, and that is why it is fun!

    In fact, the Yorks are so ridiculous they went to leak awful stories as retaliation for such a sin!

    Oh well, shun the thunder stealer- all Hail the human traffiker lover!

    • crogirl says:

      “I personally do not get the whole big wedding stuff. The bridezillas. Taking offense at everything. In my head, weddings are a social event where people mingle and talk to each other.”

      This so much!!! Even here in Croatia people are starting to be influenced by all those American movies. A friend recently told me she’s a bridesmaid at a wedding (I am forty and have been to at list 30 weddings in my life and noone had bridesmaids) and that she had to buy a purple dress because that’s what the bride wants?!

      Like who are those women? Why do they care?

      Why would you get upset about someone wearing white or whatever colour? Why would you care if a 5 year old wears pantyhose or not? Why wouldn’t your cousin’s wife announce her pregnancy?

      I honestly don’t get this stuff and it sound super stressful

      • Priscila says:

        Oh my, in Croatia too? In Brazil, it gets so expensive…I had two friends who surprised me by throwing expensive parties. It was surreal. They could have changed their used cars and buy new ones, instead, they want the weekend extravaganza!

        and yes, there is this expectation…one complained the gifts did not cover the party ( my god, why did you do the party in the first place); the other, that one of the guests, who lived on another state, did not bring any gift. I know, it is rude, but , maybe the person was not in a position?

        maybe you should just be happy you got your wish instead of policing people?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I’m so happy that the people who had weddings in my social circle are very laid back and low key – made for fun parties and way less stress for the bride and groom.

    • Mel M says:

      I agree. She was showing and I could tell the moment she got out of the car. We all talked about how she has a short torso so that leaves little room for growing anywhere but out and at just under 12 weeks, yeah she was showing. I know the timing was inconvenient for Eugenie but what could she do? Especially if the family already knew for the most part. And my husbands family which consists of 16 cousins and siblings plus their significant others are all the type of people to be on bump watch at all times and get suspicious about any woman not drinking at an event. Is it invasive and rude, yeah but they still ALL do it because the family likes it’s booze so if you turn down a drink you are automatically pregnant for sure to them. When I got pregnant and went to one of their houses for my child’s birthday party I had my husband fill a beer bottle with pop, that’s the only way I could get away with it and the home owner still figured it out and I was only 8 weeks. People are nosy.

      • Thirtynine says:

        Yes, I thought it was obvious too. It wasnt just her tummy, it was an all over difference, I thought. And I would bet Harry would be giving it away at the wedding just as much as Meghan, it was clear he was over the moon with delight, and I don’t think it would occur to him to refrain from talking about it because only Euge n ie could be talked about on that day. He would have justthought she was thrilled and happy for him if they are so close.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      I grabbed the mic at my own (first) wedding and announced the engagement of my new sister-in-law. I was so happy for her and she tried so hard not to let it out (she had gotten engaged the week before my wedding) and didn’t wear her ring so as not to “overshadow” me. Screw that! Great news deserves to be shared with all the family in attendance!

      • KL says:

        See, THAT is the type of wedding I want to attend.

      • H says:

        You are the type of woman I want to be friends with!

      • Babz says:

        My cousin confirmed to me and the family that she was pregnant at my wedding reception, and it just made the celebration happier! She was dealing with all-day morning sickness and it was obvious that she was under the weather. All it took was one person to say something, and it spread like crazy. To me, it was just more family happiness to share.

      • Reece says:

        If it had been my wedding, I would have stopped everything and made a huge announcement. Or more likely just loudly blurted it out. Happy news makes the day happier imo.
        This whole scenario has made me lose respect for Eugenie. Underneath it all she’s just like the rest of them.

  6. Millennial says:

    I know that the vast majority of people think this is rude, but I just would not care if it were me. My wedding day was so busy, and I was so focused on enjoying it that I would sincerely have not given a flip if other folks used the opportunity to share good news in person with family. Just because it’s your wedding day does not mean you have to be the center of attention 100% of everyone’s day (and I know just about everyone disagrees!)

    • Hello says:

      I completely agree with you! I would have been excited for them and happy that the news was shared at my wedding. I get what others are saying – but the whole me, me, me vibe doesn’t agree with me – even if it’s your wedding day. And there is no indication that M&H we’re trying to make the day all about themselves.

    • Nic919 says:

      I don’t think it’s rude if she’s confirming what was pretty obvious to anyone looking at her. What was she supposed to do? Lie about it? This obsession over the bride having a perfect day is ridiculous and if a bride is so insecure about someone in the hundreds of guests confirming a pregnancy then she is an insecure bitch who needs to get a life.

      Had Meghan run up to the mike to announce her pregnancy then ok, the bride can be mad, but Meghan is being criticized for simply existing in her pregnant body and women get shamed enough for her body as it that getting upset if she confirmed what was obvious is just insane.

      The way she wore her coat was more because of the press, but what the fuck was she going to do? She didn’t have an arrow pointing to her belly.

      • Anita says:

        Is it necessary to call Eugenie insecure bitch who needs to get a life just because she wanted her wedding day to be about her and Jack?

      • Nic919 says:

        I have literally seen family members do this at a wedding and the bride, who was a cousin, hugged her in happiness. Not everyone is as insecure as Eugenie apparently. It wasn’t done during the speeches but after when there was dancing going on elsewhere. Maybe some families don’t raise their daughter to have their wedding day be the ultimate goal in life and have perspective on what’s important.

      • Anita says:

        Maybe we come from different cultures. I find it hard to believe that one family raises daughter who thinks pregnancy announcement at the wedding is fine but that same daughter is also raised to be forever offended if someone wears white? No perspective on that matter?

      • jenjamTX says:

        “Taking attention from the Bride” sounds like such BS to me. At my wedding, my sister had a newborn that everyone was ooh and awing over. My cousin got engaged at my reception. I never once thought “This is supposed to be about ME!” It was a joyous celebration with family and friends. People are so self-absorbed and narcissistic it seems.

  7. Bibliomommy96 says:

    They told family, it’s not as big a deal as people want it to be. They were about to leave on a trip away from family, and that’s when the family was together, so I can see why they said something then.

    • jwoolman says:

      Yes, it seems ridiculous to not tell people when they ask at a wedding if you’re pregnant. Weddings are gatherings of friends and family. Why would anybody feel obligated to lie about a pregnancy at one? It’s not like she grabbed a microphone and made a big announcement at the altar.

      Royals are so weird. No wonder Harry wants to run as fast as he can in the other direction.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Well, Eugenie’s father is an entitled prick who thinks that the world revolves around him (and his offspring) and that he should get way more deference than what he actually gets. I can totally see Andrew taking offense at Meghan confirming her pregnancy at her daughter’s wedding. After all, he lobbied EXTENSIVELY for a big wedding where he could play the doting father of the bride so that people might forget those pesky stories about him, his pedophile friend and the young girls they abused.

    • molly says:

      People make it sound like Meghan got up in front of everyone, clinked her glass to get the room’s attention, and announced she was pregnant in front of the entire reception. That did not happen. Eugenie had just a wedding where millions were spent, the world watched on tv, and she got to marry the man of her dreams in a tiara. SHE WAS FINE. No one hijacked her sweet 16 birthday party.

  8. Jegede says:

    Crappy move.👎👎

    Eugenie didn’t deserve that.

    No bride does.😶

    • jwoolman says:

      So she was supposed to lie when asked? Drink champagne so they wouldn’t suspect she was pregnant? How exactly do you keep such a “secret” from family at a wedding?

      • Jegede says:

        Just say you don’t feel like drinking, or stick to soft drinks and pretend otherwise.

        She won’t have hanged for it!🤦‍♀️

        I can’t believe the excuses being made, esp as Eugenie was one of the few royals who has supported H & M all through and deserved better on her day.

      • smcollins says:

        @jegede I feel like Meghan is the new Angelina around here. So many making any excuse for her so as not to tarnish her image of perfection. She’s human and she’s going to make mistakes and misjudgments, time for people to accept that. With that being said I’m not totally sure she was in the wrong here. If she was volunteering the information then, yes, it was absolutely wrong for her to do that. But if she was approached and asked then, no, she wasn’t in the wrong imo. It’s a tricky scenario, that’s for sure, but if the bride was feeling overshadowed her feelings shouldn’t be ignored & invalidated either.

      • Snappyfish says:

        @jegede. completely agree. Let’s not forget that Eugenie had to move her wedding back as H & M’s was far more important as he is the son of the heir. So their wedding pushed hers back & then a pretty big announcement was made on ‘Finally’ her big day. It was just bad form.

        People make mistakes all the time. H&M should have let Eugenie have her day without stealing some thunder. H&M will always be rock stars compared to the Former York Girls (former since they are now both married they have lost their York title but not their HRH)

      • Jegede says:


        Your Brangelina Bermuda triangle fandom comparison is sadly spot on.👍👍

        @snappyfish – Yup👌

      • ABritGuest says:

        I don’t understand this thing about Eugenie having to move her wedding back. She was with Jack for 6 years before they got married so had plenty of time to tie the knot before Harry&Meghan were even a thing and they got engaged in January 2018 after Harry& Meghan. When Harry and Meghan got engaged in November 2017 it was announced they would marry in Spring 2018 so how was this Eugenie’s spot?

        The family were informed of the pregnancy before Eugenie’s wedding& sounds like people just said congrats on the day. If the Sussexes had made a big deal of the pregnancy at the wedding pretty sure it would have leaked before it was officially announced the Monday when the tour started. Guests were pretty active on social media during Eugenie’s wedding weekend celebrations.

        I saw people speculating Meghan was pregnant from that July and royal photographers were openly speculating on social media in September. Her face alone was obviously rounder. I don’t think Meghan stole focus on the wedding day as her outfit was fug. The news cycle from Friday to Sunday was totally on Eugenie but was taken over on Monday when the tour started. But wouldn’t that have happened without the pregnancy news anyway- see Beatrice’s wedding news cycle.

      • bunny says:

        It is good that you are asking before this sort of thing comes up. Unless you are their doctor/pharmacist and asking this in a medical context, never ever ever ask someone if they are pregnant or think they are pregnant, no matter what signs you think you see. Don’t do that at their wedding or someone else’s wedding. It is such a frenemy trope.

        I highly doubt that people were asking them if they were pregnant. But, best case scenario, that’s what happened and Meghan and Harry are people who have no filters (which I also doubt).

        If you are at a time/place where it is inappropriate to share that news, or you just don’t want to disclose your pregnancy or other personal information for any reason and someone says…

        “Hey, you look fat! Is it because you’re pregnant or have you just been pigging out?” Answer: “Hey Princess Charlotte! Wow this dress must be less flattering than I thought. Here, have a tequila shot.”

        “S’up Meg, you’re glowing. Are you knocked up?” Answer: “Thanks Ferg, that’s sweet of you to say. Your daughter looks so beautiful.”

        “OMG Duchess, let’s get wasted and jump in the fountains again! Ugh. What’s your bloody problem…are you pregnant or something?” Answer: “Your Majesty, I am 5 days into a 14 day cleanse and abstaining from all sources of toxins including alcohol. Please let me keep an eye on your handbag though.”

        There are a lot of words other than “Yup, pregnant!!” that you can choose.

        If they were as close as described, Harry would have likely had a hunch that it would have hurt his cousin. I doubt that anyone, let alone multiple people, were approaching them and saying “Hi. Your wife looks pregnant!” “Are you pregnant?” or Meghan doing a conspicuous faux-coy “Oh, no champagne for meee! *giggle*” moves. That would be obnoxious at any wedding, let alone a very formal royal wedding. It was apparently widely enough known that it got back to the bride. Really unfortunate choice, if it is true.

      • Gunna says:

        Yes, you lie when asked. It won’t have been close family coming up and asking her, they would know it’s not the time and place (and apparently they already knew anyway).

        As for alcohol, this isn’t an event with a limited little bar. She’d have had non alcoholic options. Ask for non alcoholic champagne, or better yet have your staff arrange with the bar staff that that’s what you get when you ask for regular champagne.

    • Olenna says:

      Deserve what? What negative impact did Meghan make by telling some of his family that they were expecting have on the wedding? Seriously, I fail to see what the BFD is about this “news”. Hear tell it, no one in that family of vipers liked her, so did the “we’re never gonna get rid of her now” whispers distract from the 2-day celebration?

    • Redgrl says:

      She could have just said she didn’t feel like drinking or wasn’t feeling 100%. Any one of us non-royals could’ve just said we were the DD but the chauffeurs and limos for all of these guys gets rid of that excuse! As for “close” family knowing – one would hope they could have been counted on to not say anything if anyone asked or simply feign ignorance. And if others came up and asked H or M all they had to say was “you’ll see!” or even make a joke about it being Eugenie’s day and not talking about anything else one way or the other. I think in the average family someone confirming a pregnancy at a wedding wouldn’t be a big deal – one more happy bit of news to share. But with the BRF (including Harry at the time) they’re all in each other’s faces about news cycles and headlines and press coverage. Harry at least (and likely Meghan by then) would’ve known that so I can understand why they shouldn’t have said anything at the wedding. That said, the York response was uncalled for. Let’s face it – deep down even the Grifting York’s must’ve understood that the general public reaction to Eugenie’s wedding was “what, why are we paying for this over the top farce” so they decided to lash out in their usual racist and classist way.

      • Anonyme says:

        THIS 100%. Meghan and Harry were media savvy enough at that point to know what a huge deal it would be when they announced- their child would be the first mixed race child in the history of the BRF!

        I love H&M. but this was preventable misstep that I believe was caused by their genuine excitement rather than some nefarious narcissistic plot- but a misstep nonetheless.

        And for everyone making excuses or arguing that the wedding day isn’t just about the bride I say Bollocks. If the bride wanted to take the mike and announce that her {insert person here} had bought a new home or any other random thing, that would be fine because *it was her choice* It’s one day – no one (even privileged royals) has such a perfect life that having one day that is “all about them” doesn’t matter and feel really good.

    • Priscila says:

      “Eugenie didn’t deserve that.”

      dude, who are you? Eugenie had the big wedding she wanted, She married the man she loved. If she decides that one family member privately confirming to other family members a pregnancy- not aking any splashy announcement, just confirming it privately- on her wedding reception is the end of it all, then she is as silly and entitled as her father is!

      • Nic919 says:

        Isn’t a family wedding the time when you see a lot of family that you don’t always see in person? It would seem to be a good time to casually mention it if people asked. I would think they would be mad at a super obvious lie when the child is born later on.

      • bunny says:

        You would be MAD at someone for choosing the time to tell you about their pregnancy? And you think the only options were A) announce it at a family member’s wedding – or – B) keep the pregnancy a secret until after the baby is born, later on?

      • Otaku fairy says:

        I wouldn’t be bothered by a relative or friend revealing her pregnancy at my wedding at all. If anything, that would just be adding to the happy occasion. Someone coming out or revealing who they’re dating or engaged to wouldn’t bother me, (same sex or opposite sex) and neither would the color of their clothes or how modest a dress is.

        There are going to be people using this as confirmation that Meghan is the monster she’s been made out to be, because of course. But it’s important to respect the fact that not all women feel this competitive about being a bride, and to not weaponize situations like these when people really just want to put the woman in question in her place, or want to greenlight bigotry and abuse. (not saying that’s what you guys are doing). No matter who it is.

      • Priscila says:

        @bunny we are all different people and I think this only became a (small) problem because Harry , who know Eugenie, should have know. She might be a good noodle, by all accounts, but her father is a massive arsehole- if Eugenie would not have been bothered, her father would and Andrew is someone to make a fuss about anything. So Harry should have expected less of Andrew…

        But anyway, I do not care about weddings. I got married at the Courthouse. I allowed my psycho MIL to micromanage the whole thing because I really did not care. I understand it is important for many brides, but I have hard time finding any sympthay for “Eugenie here because, as per the passage, she just felt they could have done differently, which is a fair point. She still had the beautiful wedding, was still smiling and got her tiara and her carriage ride- it is stupid some people here are reacing like Eugenie was completely crashed, when she was not.

    • Nic919 says:

      Unless Meghan grabbed the mike to make an announcement I don’t see why she has to lie about it. She looked pregnant. She wasn’t telling people right after the the blue strip test but three months in.

      Can people not hear than one piece of good news at a wedding? Is Eugenie so insecure that everyone must focus their attention on her at all times and not have other conversations? I have never been to weddings like this. At family weddings I have heard more than once about other family members being pregnant and yet somehow the bride didn’t go ballistic and have a fit.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic – agreed. I just don’t think this is that big a deal. Eugenie still got her big wedding weekend, and obviously M’s pregnancy news was not widely circulated during the day, or else it would have leaked (if every guest there knew about it). So how it is stealing thunder or anything else to confirm to family that their supposedly beloved Harry is going to be a father?

        I would not have cared at my wedding, if someone I loved had told others they were expecting. Heck I was at a good friends wedding around 10 weeks pregnant and told some of oldesT friends who were there, bc they lived out of state and I wanted to tell them in person.

        You know what happened? I told them, they gave me a hug and said congratulations, and that was it.

      • Anita says:

        And wearing white at the wedding? How do you feel about?

      • Becks1 says:

        Kate wearing white to the wedding is the equivalent of Meghan and Harry issuing a press release the day of Eugenie’s wedding announcing the pregnancy.

        They didn’t do that. They waited for a few days.

        I still am not sure how telling a few members of the family, considering others already knew, was “stealing Eugenie’s thunder.” Did no one look at the bride for the rest of the day? Did people ignore their first dance? Did no one attend the carnival because of Meghan’s pregnancy?

        Heck just by virtue of her parentage the day was never fully about her anyway.

      • Anita says:

        Kate wearing white to the wedding is the equivalent of Meghan and Harry issuing a press release the day of Eugenie’s wedding announcing the pregnancy. Really? I don’t even know what to tell you. Wearing white unforgivable, telling people you are pregnant completely fine. How do we know it was only few family members? Kate wearing something that photographs white affected Meghans wedding how exactly? Were people confused when they saw Kate and Meghan and didn’t know who was the bride?

      • Becks1 says:

        And how did M’s pregnancy announcement affect Eugenie??

        I don’t think M cared that Kate wore white (glad we are all admitting it now though lol). But people here are arguing that this ruined Eugenie’s day and stole the spotlight and she didn’t “deserve that.”

        Honestly my guess is that people here are more upset than Eugenie was, but probably not as ticked as Andrew.

        I’m assuming she did not tell the entire wedding reception and it was just confirmed to a small group bc I think someone would have spilled the beans to a tabloid ASAP if it was spread throughout the reception.

        But, you clearly disagree with me, and it’s fine – you have your opinion and I have mine.

      • A says:

        @Anita, I don’t think this needs to be said, but the intent behind actions is a big factor in whether or not said action is a bad thing or a good thing. This is what can make bringing cake to a birthday party attempted murder, if the party happens to be for someone with celiac disease.

        We don’t know why Kate wore pale yellow. Personally, I think she is bad at this stuff, where details are important, in spite of being in the public eye for so many years. A stickler for detail would have gone over these possibilities and chosen differently. That’s the kindest read on the subject, and I’m more inclined than most to be charitable to Kate for stuff like this.

        We also don’t know why Meghan felt compelled to tell people she was expecting. Was this some whispering among people at her table? Was it Harry who told everyone because he couldn’t keep it to himself? Did someone overhear someone else in the family (who knew before the wedding itself) congratulate Meghan, and ask if she was expecting, to which she said yes?

        We don’t know. We don’t know a number of things, in the same way we don’t know why Kate wore a dress so pale yellow it looked almost white. I was raised with the understanding that, that in the absence of discernible intent, it’s best to not ascribe malice to someone’s actions. You act graciously, and make allowances for certain things, because you simply don’t know the motivating factors, and it’s best to not act like a dick based off of nothing concrete.

        Most vengeful behaviour that veers into the egregious begins off of miscommunication and misunderstanding about someone’s intent. This is why, in polite society, you’re taught to let a few things go. If people don’t extend that to Kate, it’s usually because they have a different read on her intent than I do. I don’t begrudge others that either. But what you’re describing is not how “fairness” or double standards work in real life, just saying.

  9. Noki says:

    I guess they told the Queen,Charles and William because they were about to embark on the tour. Maybe there were whispers at the wedding if she was and if someone asked she confirmed. They make it sound like she clinked her glass and grabbed the mic to announce it.

    • Ginger says:

      I agree. She almost had to confirm because they were leaving on their tour a few days later. There were some events she couldn’t do because of her pregnancy (and yes, she was showing some then) they were going to officially announce anyway. But with Meghan she is always in a lose lose position anyway.

      • MA says:

        But with Meghan she is always in a lose lose position anyway.

        This. The smear would be that she lied to royals and kept them in teh dark. Remember how she got castigated for not giving the press a play by play of hwere she’s giving birth or going into labor?

    • Lady D says:

      I’m guessing they told Charles and Liz about the pregnancy, but I doubt they rushed to fill in William. Just because he wants to pretend he’s running the show doesn’t actually mean he gets a say or a heads up.

  10. jbyrdku says:

    I don’t think she stood on a table and announced it, but it was still a slightly selfish action. I get that they’re in love and they had brand new pregnancy glow, but let it be about the bride on her wedding day. I seriously doubt royal courtiers were coming up to her at the dinner table and demanding to know if she was preggers.

  11. Digital Unicorn says:

    I understand why Eugenie would have been bothered by them telling everyone a few days before her wedding – any bride would be so am not going to shade her for that.

    I can see both sides – its a situation where you are damned if you don’t and damned if you do.

    And yes I can totally see Mummy Grifter and Daddy running their mouths off the press over it – the media coverage of E’s wedding was more about them than the actual couple.

  12. Kathgal says:

    I like Meghan. But that was not ok. She has the world of fashion to choose from, she wasn’t showing that much and she could have found something that would have hid anything. Telling people you are newly pregnant at a wedding is pretty much on par with getting engaged at someone else’s wedding reception. Your news can wait a few more hours.

    • Humbugged says:

      How cold they keep it quiet ?

      They were going on tour to an area with Zika and events had to be changed within 24 hours of the wedding, and it was going to be public at that point

    • Steph says:

      This a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Wearing clothes to hide a bump is just as obvious as the bump. Maybe people would have been polite and not asked if she was obviously trying top hide it but with that family I doubt it. They seemed to think they had a right to every part of her.
      Also, I’ve never been pregnant. Can anyone give me an estimate on how far in advance you can have dress fitting during that stage and be sure it’ll still fit as you want it to? Like, if the goal was to hide?

      • Strawberry says:

        For a first pregnancy, you don’t show until 5 or 6 months. At 12 weeks, the baby is less than half the size of a grape. You don’t need to buy new clothes for quite a while. You may get bigger in the bust, or a little softer in the face, but there is no big baby in the belly for quite some time.

      • rosie says:

        @Strawberry I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but a baby is about 2 inches long at 12 weeks – the size of a lime not half a grape. And every woman shows differently with every pregnancy. Complete BS that you don’t show until 5-6 months with a first pregnancy, especially if you’re a small, short-torsoed woman like Meghan. If you look at the photos of her on day 3 of the tour (in the blue dress), she clearly looks pregnant. And even more so in the blue evening gown in Fiji.

    • A says:

      “She has the world of fashion to choose from” No she doesn’t. Alterations are a thing. As others who have been pregnant will attest, your body size changes, sometimes within a matter of weeks. If you got fitted for something a few weeks before the wedding, only for your waist to expand in that time, you do not actually have the world of fashion to choose from. And these things are planned well ahead of time. They are not last minute decisions you make, to purchase a dress off the rack. People are forgetting that even royals live in the real world, where things like established working hours are a real thing.

      Imagine if Meghan HAD decided to ditch her outfit, rang up the designer in a panic the night before, and demanded that an alternative that hides her figure be sorted out, ASAP. How would that have been reported in the media? How would the press have taken that story? Do you think she would be seen as someone trying very hard to not detract attention away from Eugenie, even in that case? I doubt it.

    • MA says:

      Uh she DID wear something that hid her bump. Then got accused of attension seeking for bbeing too covered up. Lose-lose.

  13. Harper says:

    Meghan was obviously showing and pregnant. The minute she got out of the car at the chapel for Eugenie’s ceremony I could tell, and I didn’t even have a super-duper huge tv screen, either. I doubt Harry could have pretended otherwise. At least FF confirms that the Yorks are the big leakers since it says the first leak of M&H’s relationship came from Andrew’s team. I’m surprised Eugenie got so mad though–the book said that the two couples were close and I’d think Eugenie would be happy for Harry. The jealousy in that family is something else.

  14. Lara says:

    I mean she was showing so I do think that people were just asking her but I also get it if Eugenie was a bit peeved. If Eugenie has announced her pregnancy at Meghan and Harry’s wedding (if the timetable was different) I wonder what people’s reactions would be!

    Side note – my husband proposed to me the day after his cousins wedding when there was still events happening and everybody made a big fuss. He did this because it happened to be the town where his mum was born so had some significance. On the run up to my wedding I became more and more mortified that we had done that and apologised. Luckily she was very gracious about it!

  15. Giggles says:

    I like Meghan and Harry a lot, but this was tacky for sure.

    • Lady D says:

      Why does everyone keep saying they announced it at the wedding? Zara’s husband, Mike Tindall told a morning news show reporter that the family had heard the news a week before the wedding took place. They announced the pregnancy on their family only electronic account.(can’t remember the site they use) The wedding was the first chance everyone had to see H&M, and congratulate them on the news.

      • Rebecca says:

        I heard Mike Tindall say that as well. The family was told a week prior on the group WhatsApp. I assume that group is made up of the young royals: William, Kate, Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara, Peter, Mike, Savannah, possibly Jack, Meghan, and Harry. They likely told Charles, Camilla, and The Queen well before that. Zara or Peter could have told their mom, since Anne is said the be close to Harry, esp after Diana’s death. The York girls likely told their parents (which is where the animosity started).

        Therefore, the wedding would have been the first time most of these people had seen Harry and Meghan in person. Now, why EXACTLY would they lie over something at least 10 people already knew? That is dumb. They were getting congratulated and either Andrew or Sarah got mad and spun this tale.

        For all the people claiming she (byt never Harry) should have held off (weeks or months), how much time does a bride need to feel sufficiently centered, even with a huge televised wedding AND a THREE DAY reception? What MORE did the Yorks want? Because at this point, it seems they chose to get their noses out of joint for no reason.

  16. SJR says:

    I am a private person IRL.
    I wanted to keep my pregnancy just between my hubby and me as long as I could, once I was clearly showing I could not believe how many relatives and even coworkers would put their hands on me/baby.
    Get your paws OFF of MY body!

    Wedding days is all about happy couple. Period.
    If people would mind their manners, no one should have been yakking about anything else.
    H&M..I would not live that fish bowl lifestyle for a day, it never ends for them.

    • Priscila says:

      People are nosy. The only way Meghan would have not to say anything would be by skipping the wedding- then she would been accused of snubbing Eugenie. You would be surprised how many people make a fuss of you when you are not drinking alchool- this might have ticked some guests off.

      • Nic919 says:

        Especially in the UK since they are a drinking culture and not drinking at a wedding reception would have been obvious. That said she looked pregnant.

        And if Eugenie or Zara or whoever says they are pregnant at the next wedding, that’s fine too. I find it so weird that no one is allowed to talk about life events at a wedding amongst themselves.

      • bunny says:

        “We’re traveling in a few days and I don’t want to be too dehydrated.” “Hey, barkeep, keep the seltzers and limes in a highball glass coming so it looks like I have a cocktail -K?” Telling people that your pregnant at another person’s wedding reception is on par with belching loudly and yelling “excuse me!” during their vows.

      • Nic919 says:

        No. Confirming an obvious visible pregnancy is sharing a moment of joy with loved one who ostensibly gives a shit about your happiness. Comparing that to a belch really diminishes the value of human life.

        Putting alleged etiquette over family joy is pretty fucked up and it’s obvious why the Windsors are so dysfunctional. Had Meghan stormed the head table to announce it that would be rude, but no one is saying she did anything but confirm what people could already see. Plus Harry could have been the one saying it himself. FF has already shown that he was behind a lot of the decisions made regarding the press.

  17. Dalloway says:

    I don’t understand the problem.
    Sure at someones wedding you don’t steal the thunder, but God, weddings are LONG and you see people you haven’t see in ages. You can only comment on the dress, decorations, ceremony for so long and then you sit at your table and chat to people about your lives while you eat dinner or you stand and drink while the broad party is getting photos done…

    The minute a woman turns down a glass of champagne at a wedding… Gameover.

    Doesn’t anyone else have nosy, intrusive friends and family who sit around and say ”so when are you going to have a baby?” and then they reply ”oh well actually..”… No? Just me?

    • Priscila says:

      I think the same. It is not like all conversations have to be about the groom and bride. Eugenie sounds like the best person she could be given her upbringing and her parents…but she is still her parent´s daughter. I can see her being a bit bridezilla and taking offense. I mean, I dont care about weddings, but many women do, so it must have been important to Eugenie, and I get that but also…I dont believe this is such a terrible move you start leaking to the press?

    • Harper says:

      Agreed. Did Eugenie need every conversation to be about her after hours and hours and hours of attention? I could understand if the TV commentators pulled focus from the ceremony to go on and on about Meghan, but to me, this family was just looking for reasons to dislike Meghan. And it was Harry’s first child. Maybe people at the wedding were truly happy for Harry, and Harry got a lot of backslaps and shouting when the news got around and that annoyed Eugenie or Jack, but Meghan, again, has to be blamed.

    • The Hench says:

      Yeah, I’m with you Dalloway. Brides get PLENTY of attention on their wedding day – I was desperately trying to hide for part of mine to be able to have a good catch up with friends but I kept being hunted down by maiden aunts and a big, white, wedding dress does not good camouflage make. I wouldn’t have given a stuff if half the women guests had announced pregnancies. Everyone there was dear to me in different ways and I would have been delighted at their good news, not pissy that the spotlight wasn’t me,me,me for the full nine hours our wedding lasted (not including the four beforehand where I got ready with a photographer following me around). How much attention does one woman need?

    • Ginger says:

      I agree. I have been at weddings where an engagement or a baby on the way was confirmed and people were happy. But these are the Windsor’s so…..

      • Harper says:

        Heck, I’ve been at weddings where an ambulance had to be called to cart someone away. Would Eugenie have been mad at that, too?

      • Olenna says:

        Some people just want to be outraged on behalf of Eugenie, LOL! Get the smelling salts. Like grown-ass adults can’t focus their attention on the celebrated couple because they heard another couple were expecting. As @Harper said, sht happens at weddings. People get sick, have heart attacks, get stupid drunk (Willy breaking a tooth comes to mind), get into arguments, and little kids throw hellacious tantrums. With their all their ugly personal histories combined, the Windsors are the last family that should take issue with Meghan over anything.

      • Nic919 says:

        @harper almost dying at a wedding is clearly poor form because people can only focus on the bride at all times and no one ever talks to other guests about topics that aren’t pre approved by the bride or else her special day shall be forever ruined. It is BRF protocol rule number one.

    • Nic919 says:

      Same here. In addition to attending weddings as a guest I have also worked at banquet halls at wedding receptions and been a church organist and there is a lot of dead time during the day of the wedding. Family and friends are going to talk and catch up and if you look pregnant it’s one of the things that will come up. People aren’t all just going to stare at the bride all day because she will be gone for photos or greeting other guests etc.

      Most normal people can contain two happy things in their brain too but maybe the Windsor’s can’t.

    • Lady D says:

      @Dalloway “drink while the broad party is getting pictures done” No pun intended?
      Autocorrect makes me laugh every day, it’s a wonderful invention.

      • Dalloway says:

        Sigh…. I know. Autocorrect is the bane of my existence… punishment for commenting on celebitchy on my phone at work.

    • MA says:

      Judging by some of the comments here I guess at a wedding you’re supposed to only talk about and fixate on THE BRIDE on her day. God forbid you share any happenings in your life, exciting news, personal matters, gossip.

  18. M says:

    Y’all seem to forget this family is not close. You have to make a f*cking appointment to meet with your relatives. That was probably the only time she was going to see them before it became very obvious she was pregnant. Just get it all done at the same time. If she hadn’t told everyone then, she would have been even more attacked. They would’ve said “oh protocol blah blah blah” so she really couldn’t win.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @M – I get your point. If this was not the BRF my opinion would be very different. However, Harry & Meghan having their first baby was BIG news all over the world.

      They should have waited to announce to family and formally announce to the world until they were on tour.

      • Becks1 says:

        They did wait until they were on tour to formally announce it.

        They told family a few days before on WhatsApp, and confirmed it in person at the wedding.

        The fact that they DID confirm it at their wedding is frankly the only reason anyone is still talking about Eugenie’s wedding, so if anything the news helps to keep her wedding in the spotlight, which the York’s obviously wanted.

  19. CC says:

    Anyone thought this story may be somewhat false? Harpers Bazaar or another publication said she told them a few days before and that the family members saw her for the first time after it.

    I don’t believe everything I read obviously but it seems more logical as it makes no sense to “have to announce it” privately to people at the wedding. Either way the pregnancy would be announced at the start of the tour right? It would be possible to announce it before the wedding to keep the seniors happy, or even a day after and then announce it.

    Of course I don’t really know what happened. It just seems a little dumb to announce it at the wedding, and if Meghan did that, that’s her wrongdoing. But I will say I think the rebuttal of the story is close to the truth.

    • Priscila says:

      people here are just assuming everything on FF is accurate, Maybe it is; maybe it is not.

    • Nic919 says:

      Mike Tindall said he knew through the cousins group what’s app chat prior to the wedding so it’s likely not accurate. Why would Mike Tindall make up a story like that?

  20. anon says:

    Well look, a pregnant woman is hard to ignore. People around them clearly knew she probably was and so what was she gonna do? Lie? No. That wouldn’t have worked, either.

    It is what it is.

    In fairness to what’s her face, I get it. But come on, it was unavoidable at that point, so why lie? Because then that would have been the narrative: Oh, we knew she was pregnant and the woman LIED!

    I mean, I just saw that the Sussexes have moved to Santa Barbara. Good for them for getting the hell out of Dodge and forging their own path. Harry, bless his heart, has finally accomplished what his mother could not: Freedom from those vipers.

    And good on him.

  21. ABritGuest says:

    See this is one of those things where FF loses credibility. KP’s statement at the time said that the family had been informed earlier and Eugenie’s wedding was the first occasion some members had to congratulate them in person. I think Mike Tindall even said they found out on the family Whatsapp.

    Going by the birth announcement having to be run by the Queen first, its hard to believe that there isn’t a similar rule for pregnancy announcement so if the news was really first blurted out at the wedding, sure this would have been used as an example of ‘breaching protocol’.

    There are a couple of other discrepancies that have been called out in the book eg Camilla Tominey said KP wasn’t warned in advance of Express breaking the relationship news. And sure I saw Archbishop welby say he had invited Bishop curry to do the sermon but book claims it was Charles. If it was Charles I would have thought the family would have been more prepared & less rude at the ceremony so I doubt it.

    • Priscila says:

      Maybe they just wanted to put some spicy on the book? Journalists do that all the time. and, let´s face it: give a reason to believe Andrew started leaking as a act of revenge for such oversight is better than their whole spiel ” unnamed aides said this, said that”

      As far as I know, the book´s account sound like a comedy of errors: everybody was walking out and off of each other, but with the best intentions., Other than evil AK 7, it was just a misunderstanding, bad timing, etc…

    • MA says:

      Well there are 2 authors. Plus it depends on the source. Who would be talknig to Carolyn Durand? I bet no one told Nazi Princess Michael but maybe she heard rumors from relatives at the wedding and it’s the first time SHE heard it. Meanwhile the Queen, Philip, Charles, Camila, William, Kate, Zara, Mike at minimum already knew.

  22. Sonya says:

    Not that Meghan is petty but didn’t they also say in the book someone from Andrew/Eugenie’s team spilled the news about their relationship. Toxic pettiness is that families baseline.

  23. Bren says:

    I guess the penalty for telling the pregnancy news at Eugenie’s wedding was the smear campaign that immediately followed after the tour.

    The timing of the announcement was unfortunate. If the Sussexes weren’t leaving for the tour, I’m sure they would’ve saved the announcement for a later time.

  24. CindyP says:

    Interesting to read the takes of all the bridezillas
    Wedding optics & being the center of attention are more important than the marriage
    Who cares if people asked Meghan if she was pregnant & she said yes
    She didn’t steal the mic & announce it at the reception

    • Priscila says:

      That is my takeaway too. But even in modern days, i am suprised at how many women actually WANT this big wedding thing. I theoretically understand Eugenie, but personally…who gives a f**+? She had her tiara, she married the man she loved, she had her party paid by taxpayer money and even her poney ride that nobody watched- what is more that she wanted`?

      • Anita says:

        But why be so offended that Kate wore something that looked white?

      • Priscila says:

        @Anita I did not see any news stating Meghan was offended by Kate wearing off white. It was a discussion we had here and nobody knows the exact answer. I personally found a bit passive aggressive IN CONTEXT of the drama behind the scenes- ” tightgate”- but is IMO, beyond silly too!

        The point is: who are these people? Why the brits pay for them?

      • Anita says:

        @Priscila I think it would be interesting if we could present stories without people knowing who is being talked about. If this was story about Kate can you imagine what people would be saying here?

      • Priscila says:

        Anitta, I think the outrage this site feels us about the double standards. We heard this story about emerald tiara and poor Eugenie and evil Meghan and we compared to Kate wearing off white to a wedding after weeks if press drama in what could only be described as passive aggressive move and we barely saw being mentioned.

        Don’t try to come to Kates defense because she does not need it. She has everything are wanted and not even her bad press has implied she tried to kill a child with flowers.

        Don’t get offended people are over protective of Megan here. She makes mistakes yes but there is no such a thing as a perfect victim . Meghan did not deserve the smear.

      • Anita says:

        Yes, Meghan is human, there are going to be mistakes. Media does have double standards when it comes to Meghan and Kate but when I write here i communicate with posters not the media. Meghan did not deserve smears but I don’t think every criticism of Meghan is smearing. Is it possible to say well that wasn’t the best thing to do or it would be better if they did this. How is that smearing?

      • Priscila says:

        Anita, you seem to believe there is such a thing as neutral press nowadays. There is not. You have papers that are more serious at reporting , but reporting is a subjective art. It is not numbers, it is interpretative

        I find puzzling you are so hot at questioning the commenters here and the report. We are protective of Meghan because of the double standards spoke. Many of us are WoC. As you see, this protectivenesss comes out of compassion. Yes,here and there we make fun of Kate, we are often outraged by William and sometimes someone does cross a line- but being a commenter on an.oprnly pro- sussex site with a very strict anti harassment policy is not the same as a smear campaign.

        Moreover, Harry has known Eugenie his whole life. If they confirmed the news to a handful of family,it is because he thought his cousin would not mind.

        But anyway, if you do not understand…I don’t know what to say to you other than there are other sites to read.

      • tolly says:

        “WHAT ABOUT KATE?!?!” LOL. The GoFug regulars are obviously itching to talk about this book, despite all protestations to the contrary.
        @Priscila’s patience is admirable.

      • A says:

        I want a big wedding too. But I’m Indian, so that’s par for the course. However, big weddings in this culture are less about it being “the bride’s day” and more about it being one of the few instances where you can actually see your family, even your extended family, assembled in the same room.

        And it’s for that reason alone that I want a big wedding. I want my family there. We don’t often get a chance for reunions in this day and age like that. I want them to come, I want them to have a good time. It’s less about me, and more about the guests. What’s the point of having a life if you can’t celebrate with people?

  25. S808 says:

    Ehh I get both perspectives. It wasn’t some breaking news in the middle of the coverage of her wedding but it was her day so I get being annoyed. People had been speculated for WEEKS that Meghan was pregnant so I can see people outright asking her and her confirming. I don’t think she deliberately went up to people announcing she was pregnant.

  26. aquarius64 says:

    Harry and Meghan stepped on a social rake for this but it doesn’t justify Andrew and Fergie’s media shade. Eugenie offered congratulations on her SM page, probably because she was getting press heat for having an elaborate wedding for being ninth in line to the throne at the time.

  27. manda says:

    I feel like they would have been found out anyway, because she probably wasn’t drinking, and people are always nosey about when newlyweds will have a baby. I couldn’t say I was tired for the first five years after my marriage without someone asking if I was pregnant. And then, had they denied, then that probably would have been criticized. So whatever, I think it’s fine to have told people. They were having conversations with other guests, it’s not as if they released a statement during the reception

  28. Michelle says:

    I totally believe that H&M spilled the beans to family at the wedding which was a tacky move. They could have easily said something at a dinner the night before (if they had one, not sure if they do that in the UK) or sometime before the wedding itself.

    • GuestWho says:

      They told the family in the weeks before the wedding. This was the first opportunity for the family to see each other since it was announced – and Harry and Meghan were leaving the country on that Monday for a tour, which necessitated making a public announcement at the start of it. They didn’t announce at the wedding, they confirmed.

      You may be part of their whatsapp group and that’s why you totally believe they did something “tacky.” I’m going to go with family members’ previous statements on how they found out Meghan was pregnant.

  29. Anonymous says:

    These bridezilla comments. Being a bridezilla is cussing out the florist because they don’t have the exact arrangement you want, but it’s NOT wanting to be the center of attention at your own wedding. That is perfectly valid, even if it’s different from what you would personally feel. Like it or not, Meghan wasn’t obviously showing and could have hidden the bump and redirected attention toward Eugenie. It’s not ideal, but it would have prevented hurt feelings.

    • Priscila says:

      I dont know. If the Windsors are looks conscious, any fluctuation counts. My family, it does. I gain 2 kgs and they start asking…

      It all sounds silly IMO. What if Meghan was caught not drinking alcohol and just confirmed privately? It sounds bridezilla to me, to demand to be the talk of each and every table. People are supposed to mingle and speak about their lives on a wedding, right?

      Or it should be all small talk?

      Honestely, since I dont get big weddings, while understanding many women do, I have a hard time looking at this and going ” Oh, poor Eugenie”

      • Anonymous says:

        Generally speaking about events in your life and revealing a pregnancy are just very different things. I don’t want to die on this hill, but I don’t see why it’s more important to insult and make assumptions about Eugenie than admit Meghan did something less than angelic.

      • Priscila says:

        @Anonymous who is insulting Eugenie?I personally think it is silly, and I do think, while she sounds like a lovely person, being the daughter of Andrew, that she might have her days too. and that is fine- we do not have to be all good, all the time.

        This also applies to Meghan. She might have considered her privately confirming the news on Eugenie´sm wedding would not be a good idea and tried her best not to. But, once again, Harry knew Eugenie HIS WHOLE LIFE! and he did not see the problem ,apparently!

        I mean…more you think, more you have to agree is silly!. Eugenie had abig splash wedding. If not everything came her way should not be a big a problem in the great scheme of things. That apparently was is disappointing to me, because it makes them all look very silly- even the good ones.

    • CindyP says:

      Yes; it’s all about me, me, me….not I’m starting a new life with the man I love & want all of you to share in our happiness
      We’ve all been locked down for months, some have experienced financial ruin, death & despair but lets feign faux outrage over something this ridiculous

    • A says:

      “but it’s NOT wanting to be the center of attention at your own wedding”

      1) We don’t know if this actually happened. If you’ve announced your pregnancy in the week before, but this is the first time people can offer you face to face congratulations, are you still on the hook for stealing attention from the bride? What if the bride herself is also offering those congratulations? What do you suggest a person does in this case, when you’re faced with family members who you might not see in person for while, for whom this is the only opportunity to offer congratulations? Is Meghan still at fault if other people talk about her pregnancy, to her? Should she lie and say she’s not pregnant anymore, it was all just a hoax?

      2) We don’t actually know how Eugenie felt in this case either. From the way the book portrays her, she comes off as a sweet, lovely, laid back person who doesn’t care much about this sort of thing. I can’t imagine a situation where Eugenie wasn’t informed beforehand that Meghan was expected, and hadn’t already conveyed her congratulations. Are you still stealing attention from the bride, if the bride herself doesn’t see it that way (and we don’t know if Eugenie does)?

      3) We know for a fact who in Eugenie’s life happens to give a shit about these things. And that’s tacky old Andrew and Fergie. Are you still stealing attention if the people who think you’re stealing attention aren’t even the bride or groom, it’s the bride’s parents, who absolutely viewed Eugenie’s wedding as their own personal triumph? Who’s stealing the attention from who, in this case?

  30. Helen says:

    White people are super weird about weddings. Who gives a eff if you tell someone e about a baby or wear off white?

    • Tealie says:

      Lol Helen same, I don’t get what this whole hooplas is about, I thought it was the perfect time!

      • Candikat says:

        Agree. I found out about two pregnancies at my own wedding. The women didn’t take the stage to announce, because that would have been crass. They didn’t even tell me directly, the gossip just filtered through to me at the reception. And you know how I responded? I went running over in my ridiculous heels, veil and bustle flying in my wake, to give each of them an enormous hug. Because I was HAPPY for them. That’s what normal people do. Most people get married during the decade when friends and siblings and cousins are also getting married and having first babies. Lots of people these days are far-flung and don’t see each other much in person. Weddings are about community. And in many (not all) cases it’s also about the unspoken hope that the new couple will celebrate a pregnancy one day too. I just can’t fathom not feeling overjoyed for a wedding guest who had that kind of happy news to (discreetly) share.

  31. Angel says:

    Here the thing : don’t wear white, announce your pregnancy or your engagement to someone else wedding. It’s not cool at all.

    • Ignoto says:

      So you can’t state or confirm any personal happy news at a wedding. For example, a new job after a long period of unemployment or college/grad school acceptance. After all, you wouldn’t want to upstage the bride. The whole day is HERS and only HERS. The stories that I read concerning this incident stated that some people (close family members) already knew and were congratulating Harry and Meghan and from there word spread. I don’t think Harry and Meghan greeted guests with “hello, we’re expecting”. It was also reported that Harry and Meghan did not attend the reception because they were finishing final preparations for the Oceania tour.

  32. velvet72 says:

    I don’t understand the problem. My friend told all of our friend group that she was pregnant at my wedding because she had a little tummy and wasn’t drinking. We were all thrilled for her. My other good friend turned 30 on that day and I had them bring out his cake first and we sang to him. It would never occur to me to be upset by other people’s happy news on my wedding day. I absolutely can’t wrap my head around people being offended a woman told her close family that she was pregnant knowing it would be announced in a few days publicly and didn’t want them to find out that way.

    • Priscila says:

      Because you and your family are caring, nice people. Because you have the common sense at not treating a casual, private family announcement during a social gathering as if someone jumped on stage, grabbed the mc from you and screamed to your guests ” I am preggers!”

      But we are speaking about the Windsors- and they are certified trash.

    • Nic919 says:

      Same. It’s literally happened at family weddings I have attended and no one was offended. No one grabbed a mike to announce it but when you talk to people and it’s hard to hide it comes up. People can multi task so I don’t get this at all.

    • Redgrl says:

      @velvet – that’s what I had commented above – in an average non royal family no one would care – it would just increase the happiness. In a royal family (or at least this one) everything is micromanaged to justify their existence and their ongoing lavish lifestyles – Harry included when he was part of it. They’ve got public relations people up to their necks and they fuss about timing of announcements, projects, speeches and they get pissy about treading on each other’s news cycles. A royal wedding is a massive PR machine for the BRF – that’s the dysfunctional reality they live in. Harry would have known that. It wasn’t their “turn”, for want of a better expression, to be in the headlines. Not saying it’s logical or right but that’s my take on it.

    • SofiasSideEye says:

      I don’t get it either, this whole thing is very off putting. Some people obviously don’t have enough problems of their own, and need to resort to pettiness so they have something to complain about. I get weddings are a big deal to some people but life does still happen regardless of anyone’s plans.

  33. La says:

    I get Eugenie being upset but Meghan was in a no win situation just due to the timing.

    If she hides it: speculation and she catches hell for hiding it
    If she confirms it: she stole the bride’s thunder
    If she skips the wedding: more speculation and stories on how she snubbed Eugenie

    I actually had a family member skip my wedding and at first I was disappointed. Found out why two days later when she announced her pregnancy. She had skipped it to not steal my thunder. It was sweet but our wedding was so big and I was pulled in so many directions I wouldn’t have noticed or cared if she had confirmed it there.

    • L84Tea says:

      One of my cousins showed up at my wedding with a very obvious 5 month pregnancy belly. I was thrilled for her, while she felt so mortified because she was so afraid of “stealing my thunder”. It was just silly to me. People get pregnant–it’s a fact of life. My wearing a white dress and veil that day was not going to change the fact that she was pregnant, and her being pregnant was not going to change the fact that I was the bride that day. Same for Meghan and Eugenie.

  34. f says:

    If Kate would have doe that some of you would never shut up about it, but this is ok? hypocrites

    • Jegede says:


      My posting history shows I’m always Team Sussex.

      But I’ll also call them out when necessary.

      • Redgrl says:

        @jegede – I tend to agree with you. People lose credibility when they absolutely refuse to accept that M or H ever do anything wrong and twist themselves into knots to explain things away that they’d be jumping on others for.

      • Priscila says:

        @Redgrl People lose credibility? Is this real? We are literally on a gossip site discussing gossip. We are not running for Office, we do not know each other personally, so why the hell is talking about credibility here?

        The couple just confirmed privately to family members they were expecting during a social event. The only mistake here is Harry thinking Eugenie would not mind when she did.

      • Redgrl says:

        @priscila – yes , some people dig in and refuse at all costs to acknowledge that their favourites (whoever they may be – in this case M & H) ever make mistakes or set a foot wrong. For me, I tend to take whatever else they say with a grain of salt because it’s clear they’re just responding out of a desire to defend at all costs rather than being logical. That’s how my mind works. No need to swear and take a tone with me. People take things very seriously on this site, so let’s not pretend this is all just gossipy fun.

      • Priscila says:

        @Redgrl Apparently, you take things seriously, worry about commenter´s losing credibility, and accuse me of swearing when I did not.

        I am glad to have a place to be silly and discuss silly things. Sorry if this all- tight state, tiaragates, poor york girls having her dreams dashed- is serious for you.

        I will make sure not to comment on you ever again because I personally do not like of being accused of something I did not do.

      • Redgrl says:

        @priscila – nice projection!

    • Alexandria says:

      K. If you’ve been on this site long enough, you know there has been a good balance of views. Just scroll up and you can see some posters calling her out. Unless you’re looking for the DM type of forum that only wants one point of view, then you’re better off not reading this site. Really.

    • Becks1 says:

      There’s a lot of people saying it wasn’t cool.

      There is also a lot of people – like myself – saying it wasn’t a big deal because it wasn’t a huge announcement that took the spotlight from E. Confirming to a few family members what many already know is different from standing up and grabbing the mic and making a pregnancy announcement, which many seem to think is what happened.

    • A says:

      @f, Kate is not someone whose every misstep is breathlessly reported by the media as an example of why she’s unfit to be the future Queen. When she faces the same level of disgusting prejudice and press scrutiny that Meghan is subjected to, we can have a fair conversation about hypocrisy.

      The media didn’t report Kate wearing pale yellow at the wedding, in anywhere close to the same tone with which they reported this incident with Meghan. So who’s the hypocrite? You can’t say that both individuals need to be treated equally when the playing field has literally never been fair in the first place.

    • pnp says:

      So true f. this site is really getting narrow minded and full of hypocrites who cant even seem to reason sometimes. Will come up with any excuse or play the “what about him/her” to defend their particular fave. I truly worry about this type of mentality. its not wrong to admit somebody has done something off color. It doesn’t mean they are the devil. Which by the way most of you seem to think Kate is for the most mundane of things

    • MsIam says:

      But would Meghan have thrown a hissy fit like Fergie/ Eugenie/Andrew did? I doubt it. That is really the issue. Why couldn’t the York’s have been gracious and said congratulations? That would have been the end of it. If my cousin who had longed for a family for years announced that he was going to be a dad why wouldn’t my first thoughts be “Congrats!” instead of “What about me?” But honestly, I think a lot of the outrage is really from social media trolls that hate Meghan. That’s where I first heard all of this “what about Eugenie?” nonsense.

      • A says:

        The lack of a hissy fit is what’s especially telling through all of this. All of the most egregious negativity has not come from Meghan and Harry. They might have behaved in ways that perhaps set some people on edge, but all of that is entirely forgivable. Contrast that to the sort of behaviour they themselves have been subjected to from some corners, and you can see quite clearly the sheer amount of restraint and tact they’re displaying, time and again, in how they’re handling things.

        Finding Freedom could have easily been an all out nasty screed against the royal family, but it hasn’t been. There are literally so many qualifiers in place in the sections where William and Eugenie are spoken about. The most damning part is one single sentence that says that it was a staff member in Eugenie’s palace offices who spilled the beans to the press that Meghan and Harry were dating. That’s IT. The book takes great pains to explain that William only meant well, even if his words were received by Harry in a particular way. It excuses Kate’s behaviour by explaining that, while Meghan expected some more camaraderie from her, it’s understandable because Kate is a reserved person with a close circle of friends.

        Another example is the court filings that Meghan and Harry made against the Fail. Thomas Markle is a greedy POS who tried to capitalize on his daughter’s marriage in a truly disgusting way. And even in spite of that, the court filings don’t assign him any blame, which is f-cking remarkable. It states that Thomas Markle must have been clearly led on by the tabloids, because he would not have done something like this otherwise. That’s a huge benefit of the doubt that Meghan is giving her own father, whose disgusting behaviour is plain and obvious to everyone.

        If Meghan had done even a fraction of the stuff that others have done to her, she would have been vaporized by the press. And yet, in the face of all this, she’s still trying to maintain a degree of sympathy for all of these poorly behaved idiots. Some of us would have lost out tempers months ago, and yet, nothing. The worst anything has to say about her is that she’s forthright, honest, sincere, and a go-getting over-achiever. That’s literally it. She’s never said a rude word to William, Kate, Angela Kelly, or anyone, at all, ever. Her crimes involve buying an espresso machine for the KP staffers, and sending 5 am e-mails. I can’t stress enough just how awful all of this is, because of just how unfounded all of it is.

    • kerwood says:

      Kate knows about tacky. Her own sister padded her ass to draw the world’s attention.

  35. Abby says:

    I was 13 weeks pregnant at my brother’s wedding and I was a bridesmaid. I hid the news from my family (my mom has passed away and I’m not that close with my dad, don’t live in the same town anymore). My plan was to tell everyone the day after my brother’s wedding, after they’d left for their honeymoon. And to tell my brother right before they left. But at my SIL’s bachelorette party weekend, her cousin was pregnant the exact same due date as me and she arrived with the same freaking anti-nausea snacks as me and talked about why she needed them. There were two other pregnant girls there and that’s all they talked about. I kept quiet until she noticed that I wasn’t drinking, immediately called up my brother, who cornered my husband about it, and she asked me if I was pregnant. Ahh! I asked her to keep it a secret because I didn’t want to pull focus with the first baby our generation on my brothers side of the family.

    At the reception (dry, thank goodness) I was in line to get a sandwich, and mused aloud that I didn’t see anything but lunch meat, was looking for chicken salad. My sharp aunt looked at me and was like… can you not have lunch meat because you’re pregnant? That time I pretended I didn’t hear her. We did tell my family the next day after the wedding.

    But my point is that it’s hard to keep a secret like that if you are showing, not drinking, newly married, under enormous scrutiny like them and leaving for a trip right after. I could see them just confirming questions. Maybe not standing on stage and making an announcement.

  36. MarcelMarcel says:

    I don’t get why Meghan’s pregnancy announcement was ‘thunder stealing’. Sorry. I just don’t.
    Eugene could have gone baby shopping with her, sent her thoughtful gifts or redirected the conversation to a bump watch about her. There are a lot of ways that the Yorks could made Meghan’s pregnancy about them without weaponising misogynior against her. ‘Meghan leans on her new cousin while pregnant in the UK’ ‘Eugene spotted treating Meghan to a spa day’ ‘Mum to be, Meghan is grateful for the support of Beatrice & Eugene’…
    It’s not Meghan’s fault that the BRF is too racist to think itself out of a toxic box. And it’s not her fault that a womxn’s is still defined by reproduction so she’s still on bump watch today. (Both on this site & elsewhere). The unrelenting misogynior directed at her meant that people would pick apart her pregnancy no matter what she did.

    • Mads says:

      This thread is pissing me off. Why have we so readily accepted how egotistical weddings have become? Isn’t the ceremony supposed to stand for a union of two people and a union of two families. Not, “All Hail The Bride,” woman whom has snatched herself a man.

      If I was the bride, I would be overjoyed with the news of my cousin becoming a father. I would love that Baby Sussex was with us too, swimming around in his watery nest. But I like babies more than weddings. Then again, you are reading the words of a long ago teenage bridesmaid that was hit in the shoulder by the bridal bouquet. It bounced off. I was a basketball player. Yeah, I wanted no part of that, thank you very much.

      Food for thought. Maybe we all reconsider this “it’s your day” thinking. Invest in something more meaningful to your future. Marriage isn’t that dependable in modern times, if it ever was.

      • February-Pisces says:

        It makes Eugenie look bad that her first thought to her favourite cousin becoming a father is “your stealing my thunder😡 “ I would like to think she would have been happy about the news. But then again this is the royal family after all.

      • Deedee says:

        Agree totally. After the ceremony, the wedding reception is a party you host for your friends and family. A time to celebrate being together. Any bride who loves her cousins would be thrilled for them.

      • Meg says:

        Disagreeing with the choice of when to announce a pregnancy is not the same as saying theyre not happy youre pregnant

      • Priscila says:

        @Mads most of the readers here are women. It is disconcerting to see many buying into this fantasy that, for at least one day, the world has to revolve around you. Brides and grooms must be center stage at a wedding, but some people interpret this as giving brides a pass for terrorizing people.

        The ones here feeling strongly everything must be about the bride, at all costs, to the point they forget the passage clearly states that Meghan and HARRY confirmed it privately to family members and that Eugenie discreetly told friends she felt they should have waited, are annoying. Frankly, they are becaudee they keep saying we are twisting this just because we like Meghan and Harry when they are the ones lacking reading skills.

        This is a great self own.

    • MA says:

      +1 MarcelMarcel. It’s because the issue isn’t the alleged pregnancy announcement. The issue is with Meghan’s mere presence. Everything she does is “thunder stealing” and “wrong”, even perfectly ordinary things like exist as a pregnant woman.

  37. kessa says:

    IMO this was a bad move because this is what really fueled the fire with public hate. She didn’t look pregnant — she obviously wanted people to know with that blue coat, which was tacky. i said it. that said, at the wedding imo was fine— i mean it was her “family.” she should’ve been able to tell them at the wedding and they should’ve been happy for them. I told mine right away so i get the excitement. just my two cents

    • Nic919 says:

      Check out the posts on this site the day of the wedding where plenty of people say she looks pregnant from afar, person who has never posted before but has decided to today.

    • Redgrl says:

      Yeah Meghan is media savvy enough to know that coat would spark questions.

      • MsIam says:

        If she would have worn something tight fighting she would have been accused of “showing off her bump”. That’s what the trolls said when they were in Australia. So imo Meghan should have stayed home and told them to all kiss her ass. There was no way she could have won. And shame on Eugenie for bad mouthing Meghan to her friends because she didn’t get enough attention. It’s not Meghan’s fault the world is not enthralled with Eugenie or Beatrice.

      • Redgrl says:

        @msiam – truth be told I personally would’ve liked both M and H to say to hell with it we’re not going to this family of grifters’ wedding because we don’t want to breathe the same oxygen as a known trafficker of young girls and participate in the BRF propping him up with this farce. But that was not going to happen – at least not then.

      • MA says:

        Yes everything Meghan does is nefarious and she always has an underhanded motivation. That’s why, in the ultimate move to attract attention, she wore an unstructured, demure, navy coat over dress instead of a brightly colored bandage dress.

  38. emmy says:

    She was not showing. She had a minute bulge MAYBE but that was easily hidden. They also could have told people earlier. ANYONE else would be roasted for this.

    • Priscila says:

      but not anyone else would see this as the start of a full on smear campaign with racial undertones.

      Kate wore off white and she did not get anything bad coming her way.

      and yes, both actions are not grave sins, and yet, these people behave like it is.

      • emmy says:

        Who said that? Not me. I said nothing about deserving anything for it. There are always excuses for everything the Sussexes do and absolutely nothing Kate (especially) does is anything short of heinous. On this site. I personally don’t agree with that at all and if people want to announce pregnancies or wear the lightest of pastels at my wedding, have at it. But a lot of people wouldn’t love it and it’s not a lot to ask to be a little mindful on someone’s big day.

        I personally don’t believe it went down like that, btw. Pretty sure they would have told the family in advance of the wedding.

      • Priscila says:

        “ANYONE else would be roasted for this.

        you even wrote anyone- implying whatever it was that you were implying- so yes, that is why is poke about the smearing campaign- because you were speaking about public backlash using the term ” roasted” right?

        Or you meant…literally roasted? Like in cooked?

      • ennie says:

        good that at least in this one site there are a few people trying to balance things.
        Twitter trolls, people making awful videos and making money ,distributing horrible pictures, suspicious accounts of “pen names2 accounts that critic them incessantly and relentlessly while calling them “irrelevant”.

      • emmy says:

        @Priscila: Yes, cooked. Of course. For the love of God. Just go on deliberately misunderstanding what I wrote, it’s super mature and proves my point. Thank you.

      • Priscila says:

        @emmy I did not misunderstand, I made a very clear joke at your expense.

      • emmy says:

        @Priscila: Oh bless you for thinking that was funny.

    • MA says:

      Actually LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE would be roasted for this.

  39. Amy Bee says:

    If Eugenie was really close with Harry and Meghan, (I have my doubts, given it’s been said that the leak about Harry and Meghan’s relationship came from the Yorks), I would think she would be happy for them and would take so much offense. I believe the the emerald tiara story came from them too. The York family is just sketchy overall and I have a major issue with Eugenie being an anti-slavery advocate while her father was deeply involved in sex trafficking.

    • Priscila says:

      Thank you” Dont you know the York girls are constantly protected by people screaming” they should not answer for the sins of their father?” which is true, but these people also ignore how Beatrice was very happy at showing her support to her father by going to the China Embassy when she did not have too, and the sheer hipocrisy of Eugenie being interested in anti – human trafficking when her father…you know.

  40. Snuffles says:

    Oh, good lord. I doubt it was as dramatic as people are making it out to be.

    They probably told Charles and the Queen before the wedding and by the time the wedding happened the gossip around the family was at a fever pitch. Not to mention the fact that she was starting to show and you could see it in her face. Couple that with not drinking, I’m sure many family members were asking and they just said yes.

    And even if they tried to say no, that wouldn’t have stopped the gossip. There was nothing they could do about it. It was just unfortunate timing.

    • MsIam says:

      It would have been stupid to say no at the wedding and then announce to the world on Monday. Trust me there would have been noses out of joint about that too.

  41. TheOriginalMia says:

    I thought Meghan was showing and there was no way to keep it from people who would see her out of that coat. Did she announce it on a hot mic or did the people at the reception ask her and Harry for confirmation? Because it wasn’t just Meghan at that wedding. Harry was with her. He could have confirmed her pregnancy as well, but let’s not include him in the vitriol. Can’t make Meghan the villain if they share the blame for ruining Eugenie’s wedding. As good a reason as any to participate in a smear campaign. Right?

    • Nic919 says:

      Let’s go back to the wedding posts here and see how many said she looked pregnant and that was from photos from a distance. So of course it will be more obvious when you are right in front of her.

      • Lilly (with the double-L) says:

        That was my first thought too, I remember the comments then, it was very much thought a given. I know our family is vastly different and in any gatherings we have, we catch up on all the family news. It’s warm and celebratory for all our collective news, while still keeping the wedding the number 1 item. Which you have to anyway, because the toasts, cutting the cake and all the other scheduled and traditional things that occur keep it that way.

      • MA says:

        People even thought she looked pregnant at the Together Cookbook launch ffs.

    • SofiasSideEye says:

      I can’t believe I had to scroll this far down in the comments to see ANY mention of Harry! It’s his family after all, not Meghan’s! If anyone said anything to those stuffy people, thinking they’d be happy for him, it was Harry “the blood prince.” But, no let’s just pile it all on Meghan because *reasons*

      • Priscila says:

        I have been pointing this out. These Karens keep blaming Megahn for either wearing a revealing outfit on purpose or not really showing as it was reported, but they never mention the fact Harry was at his cousin´s wedding- if someone there would have known if it was okay to privately share the news or not, it would be him, not her.

        But hey, bridezillas must unite!

      • Tessa says:

        Harry is the father so how come he was not blamed?

      • windyriver says:

        Not only that – I’d be surprised if Meghan was anything but low key about the news at the wedding. Remember, at the last minute she didn’t go to Pippa’s ceremony because she was afraid the media crush around her would overshadow Pippa’s wedding.

        “Wears his heart on his sleeve” Harry, on the other hand, was likely over the moon, and not hiding it from anyone. So how is this all on Meghan?

  42. Alexandria says:

    I would have just kept chugging soft drinks and water. I don’t owe anyone an explanation and would just say “Let’s see”. Since we don’t know the full details, that’s my take. But I’m quite quite sure she did not stand on a podium to announce it. I just thought her pregnancy was not obvious so I don’t get it. But it was not obvious to me because I only had pictures. Was it obvious at the reception? We don’t know.

    Also Eugenie’s wedding was televised, is that not enough lol. In Asia this is largely not a big deal especially with the inquisitive aunties.

    And more questions! Do we know how Eugenie felt? Did Eugenie know? Did Eugenie and Meghan talk about it on how to handle it? We don’t know.

    Anyway she’s still my imperfect Duchess. You call me a hypocrite? My idols are not perfect. They’re decent people but not perfect. Hell I’m still making mistakes every day. Call me out, I will learn. Thank you.

  43. Katie says:

    I’m shocked by some of the comments here. I thought weddings were big family affairs where you celebrate life and love. If Meghan was pregnant, why shouldn’t she talk about it at the wedding? It’s 1) obvious and 2) her joy to share when she wants with who she wants. I’m telling you, this bride 1st culture is toxic. If this had happened at my wedding, I would have been so happy for my in law, it would have added to the special day, not taken away from it.

    Some of the comments here are shocking; I’m taken aback.

    • Nic919 says:

      Same. If the bride is that self centred that marriage has problems from the start.

    • Alexandria says:

      To be fair if this is the etiquette for US or UK weddings, then just refrain from doing this unless your pregnancy is really showing. So I get why others think (with the limited info we have) that it’s not cool. I’m from Asia and it’s a nothingburger generally. On a personal level, I also think it’s a nothingburger. I don’t want kids but pregnancies are a celebration! It is a big deal to me if she hijacked the wedding with it but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

      • SofiasSideEye says:

        It’s not etiquette I’ve ever heard mentioned in my family, and I’m from California (as long as no one’s grabbing a mic here). This stuff is new to me and that’s why it’s been so surprising reading some of these comments about weddings. The pettiness is unreal, this is family to some people? I’ll never be down with this.

    • MarcelMarcel says:

      ITA (I already commented above but still)… I would have thought that Harry’s wife being pregnant with their first child could contribute to the joy of a wedding.

      I’m not married and I don’t want kids. So I can’t speak from direct experience… but isn’t celebrating love meant to be inclusive? It’s so toxic & ridiculous that womxn is expected to hide her pregnancy for the sake of a bride.

    • Amy Bee says:

      I agree.

    • Olenna says:

      Some people just don’t like Meghan but give her a lot of power and influence (weird, I know). Others are bent on upholding their own ideas of social etiquette. Still, others seem to believe Eugenie is as petty and insecure as those TV bridezillas and wouldn’t want anyone taking her thunder. IMO, if a relative’s baby news can upstage the bride at and during a 2-day celebration, she is really wasn’t on the big stage in the first place.

    • Priscila says:

      Not to mention, these comments are placing the blame solely on Meghan, ignoring the fact Harry knew his cousin his whole life. If he thought it would be not a problem to privately confirm to his family the news during the wedding, if was because he thought she would not see it as a problem. But you know what? Eugenie, although by all accounts lovely, is still a woman of great privilege, whose parents are well-known arseholes. She getting offended by this , while understandable, is silly AF

    • FashionMaven says:

      And notice most of the angry criticism is being leveled only at Meghan, even though we don’t know how it was confirmed at the reception and by whom.

    • MA says:

      @Katie – Most of the irrational comments are new posters venturing out from their Tumblr troll caves. Definitely an influx in new posters.

      • GuestWho says:

        And they are almost all using the word “tacky.” I guess that was the thrust of this morning’s troll meeting.

  44. bluemoonhorse says:

    Women get pregnant all the time and brides need to stop being butt-hurt about it. From day one of M&H getting married, this site was speculating about baby bumps. Imagine going to a wedding and everyone coming to you and asking – oh are you? What are you going to say?

    Eugenia was dumb in several ways – the mere presence of M&H was going to overshadow her. She should have embraced M&H and leaned into it. Photos of her talking, hugging a pregnant Meghan would have given her some star power, that on her own she has like a 20 watt bulb’s worth.

    Personal case-in-point, I got pregnant the second time (after trying for a year) with no knowledge that my S-I-L (who lived in another country and never communicated with us) had miscarried. It was all a bro-haha that still effects the status of my 2nd born to this day. Get over it people.

    • Alexandria says:

      Maybe it’s not Eugenie who had issues. Maybe it’s Andrew and Fergie. They’ve always had issues so what’s new.

      Just want to hijack they look so good in that first pic – Eugenie and Jack of course.

  45. Betty says:

    Imagine the uproar if Kate had announced a pregnancy at Meghan’s wedding….

    • Alexandria says:

      The uproar will only be here. She’s ultimate white princess Barbie goddess on other sites, who is also going to be the monarchy’s saviour. So you won’t be disappointed, that elevated, embiggened Kate will still be around I promise.

      • Anita says:

        The thing some people are trying to say: if you, Alexandria, think announcing pregnancy at the wedding that isn’t yours is appropriate thing to do then it should be appropriate no matter who did it. If Kate was the one who announced pregnancy at Beatrices wedding do you think Nic919 would write 50 comments defending her?

      • ennie says:

        now, now, would KATE do this, or maybe would the actual cousin could have shared the news?

      • A says:

        @Anita, while I can’t speak for @Nic919, and while I think it’s rude of you to single out one commentator in particular like this, I will say that, if Kate was the one who informed people of her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding, people would rightfully point to her history of acting like a total lout towards both Beatrice and Eugenie in the years they’ve known each other.

        And they would point out that, given the fact there is no love lost between them, it’s not surprising that Kate isn’t exactly all that considerate of their feelings, even on their wedding day. And that, in light of this additional context, her intentions behind her behaviour is what might take this from forgivable to unforgivable.

    • SofiasSideEye says:

      Well, she wore white and no one said a word… I guess the rules are only for Meghan, which we’ve known.

    • Tessa says:

      She would be praised since she’s married to the Future King as the stans like to say.

  46. DS9 says:

    I’m amused by everyone who is so sure she’s wasn’t showing because it doesn’t seem like she is in the pictures we’ve seen.

    Yet the general in person consensus is that inside the church/reception she looked it enough that it was discussed. Was she supposed to let the is she or isn’t she whispers dominant the conversation?

    The only way she could have avoided confirming was to lie or stay home.

  47. lemon8 says:

    Depending on how it went down, it could definitely be a social faux pas. I love me some H&M, but she totally did not need to wear the very obvious maternity coat dress to the wedding. Her outfits on the tour did not scream PREGNANCY in that same way. That being said, confirming a pregnancy vs announcing a pregnancy are different. Hopefully, it was the former.

    • lili says:

      Agreed. Very fair points.

    • Priscila says:

      How about speaking about Harry too? He is Eugenie´s cousin. He knows her. If he thozght it was okay to tell some family privately there, why are commenters are insistant in placing the blame on Meghan, for not wearing a more discreet ensemble? they announced it two days later- very different things.

      The only mistake they made IMO is to think this family was a normal one.

    • MA says:

      Her outfits were Australian designers and not easy to make adjustments or re order clothes that had been ordered months in advance, unlike Clare Waight Keller on standby for any new outfits.

      It’s funny how Meghan gets railed for wearing loose clothing, and that’s somehow attention seeking. That makes no sense. You know what would scream to people you’re pregnant? Wearing tight fitting clothes when you’ve gone through an obvious weight gain as Meghan had.

  48. TeamAwesome says:

    Yes, how very dare someone confirm their personal happiness at a family event.

    • Ennie says:

      People are forgetting that they are a family, disfunctional, but family.
      All that crying about poor cousins , poor family who will Miss Harry and Archie and none of them can fathom announcing their happy news at that family event.

  49. Steph says:

    Yesterday on one of the stories (William’s pettiness) a commentor linked me to the balcony video. One of my first thoughts was “oh, I forgot she was already pregnant for this tour.” I thought this bc it was so obvious. Being so close to the wedding date it might have been obvious then too. 🤷‍♀️

  50. Ennie says:

    When I got pregnant early on in my marriage, my husband blabbered and I was not happy at all (I ended up miscarrying)
    Meghan is a tiny person, of course she was showing early. It makes me laugh that obsession line “it’s the bride’s day”, for me, family gatherings are happy occasion and seeming as the British Royal family is so disfunctional, they thought it was another happy thing to say at a rare gathering.
    They misjudged the malice of the RR and the bride’s parents

  51. Jessica says:

    Love them and the book. This was a tacky thing to do. Liking someone doesn’t mean you have to think they’re infallible. It is what it is. She sure as hell didn’t deserve the (still ongoing) media vitriol that immediately followed. Seems a bit like executing someone for jaywalking.

    • Priscila says:

      It was just a faux pas because Eugenie took offense. It would be a non- issue if not. Different things if they had announced publically or grabbed the microphone…they just confirmed to family members, per report. Eugenie still had her tiara, still had her poney ride…behaving like it spoiled all her beautiful wedding is also tacky.

      • MA says:

        Eugenie needs to remember no one from the public showed up to her wedding or the streets of Windsor, and people were starting to complain about the cost of a wedding for someone nobody knew or cared about. The Sussexes spared them from that coverage. How many days do you need to back in the afterglow of your wedding?

  52. Lizzie says:

    OMG this family and their outrage when it’s ‘my day’. I give Eugenie that it really is the brides day, I am with her to a certain extent but her wedding wasn’t ruined by any means. But the whole family live for this. Oh no, you posted on Instagram the same day I made an announcement, or on my birthday, or my anniversary, or I had a new zoom meeting.

  53. JT says:

    I think this is a case of The Yorks thinking that they are more important than they actually are. I hate to say it but she isn’t Will or Harry, sons of Diana. Her wedding would’ve been overshadowed by H&M’s tour on Monday anyway, even without the pregnancy announcement. People were already talking about the tour, what would Meghan wear, will it be successful. People were also commenting on how much H&M packed into the trip. Did she think she was going to get weeks of coverage like W&K and H&M?She had an entire wedding weekend for goodness sakes.

  54. February-Pisces says:

    Are you seeing anyone?
    When are you getting married?
    So when are you gonna having a baby?
    When are you having your second baby?

    Has no one here ever been to a wedding? These are literally the only questions anyone ever asks. If you happen to answer yes to any of them, are you making an announcement?

    People seem to have the idea that it was some big ‘announcement’ where she jumped up on the table and and shouted “I’m pregnant”. She most likely told the immediate family only because she was now in the safe zone, she was seeing them face to face, it was going to be announced in a few days anyway, and they probably asked ‘when are you having a baby’. Also she would have had her three month scan photo to show. People are obsessed with asking newlyweds that question, so if you are pregnant, are now in the safe zone, have a scan photo, and are about to announce it, why would you deny it? If she had been asked, and said no, that would have been like a snub, that she didn’t even think to tell them.

    Also people drink at weddings. Have you ever seen anyone with a soft drink at a wedding? When you do the first reaction is ‘omg are you pregnant?”

    Also they wouldn’t have told the whole wedding, because they most likely don’t know all the people there and wouldn’t be able to trust them from leaking it.

    • MrsBanjo says:

      Also, it was confirmed at the time by people actually there (Mike Tindall) that the family knew from group texts days BEFORE the wedding. This wasn’t Meghan grabbing a mic and stealing the show. This was people likely asking/talking to her about it at the reception and she engaging. She didn’t steal Eugenie’s thunder. I think the complaints are coming from Andrew and Fergie because in reality, the wedding wasn’t about their daughter, it was about them. THEY wanted the spotlight.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I agree that Andrew and fergie wanted to ride the wave of eugenies wedding for a lot longer. I think fergie wanted to milk her big comeback for as long as possible.

  55. MsIam says:

    The first time I read about pregnancy rumors was at the cookbook launch. So this was out there already. I think it’s B.S. that Eugenie was upset about the announcement at the wedding unless Harry and Meghan grabbed a microphone to do it. I think she, Fergie and Andrew were upset that the wedding didn’t get days of press following. That imo is what they were really pissed about. Remember Andrew thought the whole thing should have been televised like the Sussexes was but sorry Eugenie was not that big of a draw.

  56. What eating you says:

    Meghan would have been screwed either way. People are saying that she should have lied but if she did that then she would be accused of betraying the royal family even though she was doing it for a good reason, it’s a double edge sword.

  57. Jay says:

    As many have said, this was a no win situation for Meghan and Harry. They could a. Try to hide it and endure constant speculation over every single thing she consumes, and why she would be missing events on the tour b. Have Meghan stay home for the wedding and the tour, fueling even more speculation or c. announce it after the wedding, knowing that there is literally no amount of time they could have waited that would please the Yorks. Seriously. You know Andrew and Fergs would still have complained about them overshadowing their daughter’s honeymoon weeks after the fact.

    It seems like they told a select few family members beforehand, privately, that doesn’t seem out of line to me.

  58. LS says:

    You can still support Harry and Megan and also admit when they are wrong. The mental gymnastics some of you are doing on here regarding this pregnancy is really telling to me. And it proves this is not support and has graduated to Stan level, a level where a person can do no wrong. They are human that’s not possible we all make mistakes and this was one of them. Everyone knows that you do not announce big life events at someone else’s big life event. And honestly what in the world is “showing” to you because Megan just a few days later on the Aussie tour had a flat stomach and nothing about her looked pregnant. What made people remotely think she was pregnant at Eugenies wedding was her very loose fitting coat with buttons open around the stomach. Let’s please be honest people. It wasn’t a good move. Let’s not try to justify it because it makes any support we give look biased and crazy.

    • Priscila says:

      Dude, this is, at worst a faux pas. Please, be honest: Harry knows his cousin. He thought confirming it privatley there to family members was okay. It was not according to Eugenie. Why placing the blame on Meghan´s outfit?

      Let´s please be honest: most of us do think it is stupid. people speak about their lives at wedding parties. Social events were people meet and speak. This was not Harry asking to speak a few words and telling the crowd he was preggers- they just had conversation.

    • MrsBanjo says:

      It’s not being a stan. Talking about a pregnancy with people at a reception is not a big fucking deal. It wouldn’t have been a big deal if it were Kate either. It was a TWO DAY WEDDING CELEBRATION. The family already knew days before as confirmed by one of their own. This was chitchat at a reception that someone (likely Andrew and Fergie) threw a fit over. They didn’t steal shit from Eugenie, and this need to make a volcano out of a molehill is ridiculous.

      Good lord.

      • Thirtynine says:

        Totally agree, Mrs Banjo.

      • Otaku fairy says:

        Agreed, the word ‘stan’ seems to be being misused a little with this situation. It’s not stanning to just find this kind of competition+ the fact that it involves rich people and nepotism kind of silly. Don’t people usually have a problem with women, especially privileged ones, using their weddings for attention anyway?

      • MA says:

        I forgot the wedding was 2 days. If anyone needs to get over themselves it’s a bride who demands 100% attention for 2 full days of peoples time and a moratorium on anything not focused on her, including the opportunity to bask in post-wedding glow for several weeks. No one even knows who Eugenie is.

  59. Sara says:

    That is brave to tell everyone before 12 weeks. Everything was going great for me this time around (had early scans because of IVF) and at an 11 week dating scan, I found out I had another miscarriage at 10 weeks. It’s astonishing how everything can go from perfectly fine to tragedy within a few weeks.
    I can see if she was already showing and folks were saying to her, “Oh, you’re expecting!”….what are you supposed to say? “No?” That’s awkward.
    If she was going around and saying “Guess what! I’m pregnant!” at another person’s wedding then yeah…that’s rude. My friends had a photo booth at their wedding and you were supposed to use a hashtag so others could see the photos on Instagram. One couple actually made a little sign announcing their pregnancy for the booth. Who does that???? It’s not your day!!!!
    To her credit, Eugenie made a really sweet Instagram post for them after they had Archie. Maybe there is some class in the York family.

    • ennie says:

      ya, it happened to me,. twice, my husband was so happy, he couldn’t see quiet. Both pregnancies ended badly, but I am so happy for H and M to be able to get pregnant soon, I can’t judge.

      • Sara says:

        @Ennie – I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this. I’ve had multiple miscarriages and no kids too. Going for my D&C tomorrow and then back to IVF. Many many hugs to you.

      • ennie says:

        Good luck, Sara! lots of love your way. We had 3/4 year fertilization journey, with different procedures, but my body was not happy about it, and ended adopting privately and we have a precious (now) 3 year old! blessings!

    • Ames says:

      Wedding guests are people a couple presumably care about and want around them when they get married.

      Until someone inadvertently does or says something that the “IT’SNOTYOURDAY!!!!” enforcers deem the merest insinuation that Other People Actually Exist. And then those people can go with god, because there will be blood.

      That it tries to market itself as proper etiquette is particularly fascinating to watch.

      • Sara says:

        @Ames – I was a wedding coordinator for several years. The amount of planning and emotion that goes into the whole thing is very high. It is their day and that doesn’t need to be a spoken rule. It’s an important and momentous milestone – guests come to celebrate the couple, not themselves. I’ve seen other family members trying to make the wedding about themselves – and this happens to the nicest couples too – and you see the hurt on the couple’s faces even if they don’t say anything. It’s not someone else’s place to take that special milestone them and make it about their lives. It is self centered. It’s just one day – roughly 5 or 6 hours. People can wait to share their own special news for another time and then it can be about them.

      • Jaded says:

        @Sara – the news was already out. Guests were probably congratulating them on the pregnancy. End of story.

      • MA says:

        @Sara – The wedding was 2 days and people were complaining that Eugenie didn’t get weeks post wedding to bask in her nonexistent media attention unbothered.

  60. Meg says:

    This is a misstep for harry and meghan, she was not showing enough to need to tell. Her face wasnt that different. Its not ok to pull focus on someone elses wedding especially, when your wedding was a few months before the same year your wedding already overshadowed theirs. Id be mad if i was eugene too

    • February-Pisces says:

      I remember that day, and people were saying she looked pregnant and were getting mad at her for looking pregnant and wearing a coat that tried to hide it. Plus Meghan may have felt her body looked more different that it did, it’s like only you can tell if you’ve gained weight. I could tell she was pregnant, she just seemed different, but I can always tell. Also if your not drinking at a wedding that’s the biggest give away. If she didn’t announce it until after the tour, the whole thing would have been overshadowed by the fact she may or may not have a baby bump. In some pictures from the side you could tell there was a bump.

    • Jaded says:

      It’s not a misstep at all and their direct family knew. So f*cking what? Someone could have come up to them and said “congrats I just heard the great news”. Honestly, are you the wedding protocol police? It’s a wedding, not a coronation despite how the Yorks tried to spin it.

    • ennie says:

      here everyone was calling it, and kept calling it after she was seen covering with binders in Australia. The news came just after that.

  61. lili says:

    Yes it’s the misstep and I wonder why they admitted to it. Especially since she was so close with the bride, they met with Clooneys together. Maybe that explains the rift.
    Btw, am I the only one who finds some parts of the books cringy?

    • Olenna says:

      I’ve never read anything anywhere that states or implies Meghan and Eugenie were “close”. And, how likely is it that Meghan and Harry (yes, remember Harry, Eugenie’s cousin) asked for everyone’s attention during Eugenie’s reception, took the podium and then made an announcement? What is likely, IMO, is one or more of the family members who were told before the wedding talked about the pregnancy either to her or others, and she and/or Harry were asked about it. But, as some up-thread stated, she should have lied, and I’m sure that would have went over well later with some family members after the news broke. /s

    • s says:

      I have been reading the reviews/commentary but I have NO interest in reading the book.

      While I find the “Sussex” side of the story interesting, I have never been able to get through one of Omid’s articles–its just always too much… I can’t imagine reading an entire book…

      To each their own.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      I think they own their mistakes. No one else it that family does, but I think Harry and Meghan are not trying to push an agenda if we are perfect, they just want to let their side of things be known. They were treated horribly.

    • A says:

      “Yes it’s the misstep and I wonder why they admitted to it. ” Why wouldn’t they? This is not a big deal if everyone in the room is a grown up, who acts like how grown ups do. When you’re a mature adult, you pull someone you have a problem with to a side, and tell them, nicely, that hey, what they did was a problem and this is why it was a problem.

      And that person, if they’re also a mature adult, would say, oh I didn’t know that, I’m so sorry. I was doing this because of [x], but I can see how it happened to come off like [y], and while that wasn’t my intention, I still take responsibility for it and I apologize.

      I imagine that both Eugenie and Meghan, who are grown women in their 30s, who have seen something of the world and its ways in the time they’ve been here, would know how to handle these things with respect and consideration for each other. And more than that, they know how to separate criticism of their actions from criticism of their very existence as people. It’s what you do when you’re, again, a mature grown ass adult with a good handle on your emotional landscape.

  62. LittlePenguin says:

    We told our immediate family with our second at the start of August the year I was pregnant (At this point I was 3 months along and all testing was showing baby was healthy). We had my SIL’s wedding at the start of September. The night before the wedding we saw a bunch of the extended family and told them we were expecting in <5 months because I also was totally showing by this point. We didn't talk about it really any further, but because the wedding had a weird set up (minimal tables and chairs for the reception to encourage mingling and not enough food as it was all finger food) the family was really good about making sure I had somewhere to sit down and rest/was trying to find food they'd help me out. If we hadn't told them they would have been trying to get us to spill the news all weekend and THAT would have taken away from the wedding.
    Anyways, I totally think this is what M&H were going for. "if we do it now, then it isn't the rumour of the weekend"

  63. Liz version 700 says:

    You know what? This might be in poor taste, I wouldn’t have cared if someone announced a pregnancy at my wedding as it was friends and family and I wanted to enjoy being with my “people” most in that day. But some brides would be very upset and the York’ parents are so very awful I bet it made them mad. It I also see this as an overly enthusiastic mistake. They were excited and let it out of the bag. I think ruining your relationship with your cousin is a bit much. Those girls will need friends after Petty Betty dies and dad is exiled.

  64. JustMe says:

    Is it possible Harry was asked if Meghan was pregnant and he didn’t deny it?

    • Jessica says:

      This seems likely too. Automatically blaming Meghan seems like a great example of unconscious bias. Maybe it was her; seems more likely it was Harry and he didn’t have awareness of how it could ruffle feathers, he probably just thought he was casually chatting to his own family.

  65. Xantha says:


    People here really are gonna act like there wasn’t speculation, INCLUDING ON THIS VERY SITE, around that time about Megan being pregnant because of how she looked? And if you can be upstaged by someone’s pregnancy well…that says a lot doesn’t it.

    • Ames says:

      I know, right?

      That entire wedding was another exercise in the endless humiliation these people bring on themselves because they are clueless, tone deaf, and will never learn.

  66. JanetDR says:

    I just don’t get the excitement over this, yes it is a big day for the bride and groom, but aren’t people allowed to have conversations about their own lives? Should they have skipped the wedding so no one would congratulate them? (Because the family had already been informed.) In the real world, who would care?

  67. Vanessa says:

    To me it’s not a big deal that Meghan and Harry confirm their pregnancy at the wedding to some people who asked . This whole it’s should be all about the bride culture is really disturbing that why some many woman so obsessed with marriage and wedding day society puts so much pressure on woman about their day that’s it has to be all about them on their day it creates unhealthy behavior . Mostly people would be happy if their family were to announce a such good news as pregnancy at wedding that’s doesn’t take focused away from the bride at way people insisting that it’s has to be all about the bride at every minute it’s disturbing. Meghan didn’t do anything wrong either did Harry This family were they only seen each through appointments or events their no in contact with each other daily . You know what tacky the way Eugenie and the rest of the royal family acted at Meghan and Harry wedding Eugenie was laughing like crazy when the black preacher was doing his sermons laughing and snicker when the choir sang this little light of mine that was completely tacky disgusting disrespectful behavior. Everyone loves to give the two little white blood princess a pass from their behavior at Meghan and Harry wedding but Meghan confirmation her pregnancy to someone at the wedding and its so horribly people are labeling her and Harry tacky but what was tacky was Eugenie behavior at their wedding . I honestly believe that a lot of the faux outrage is just away for people to let out how they truly feel about Meghan under the guise of she omg she ruin Eugenie wedding even though Eugenie had a wedding week end with carnival rides and three different parties but somehow Meghan ruined the wedding because she confirmed happy news to people .

  68. S2 says:

    This is the sort of thing that families fight over ALL THE TIME, and the sort of (relatively) petty grievenaces that still get bought up at holiday dinners 20 years after they happened. That one side feels like another stole the bride’s thunder, and the other felt like they were gonna find out anyway is probably the most relatable disagreement I’ve never heard about from the British Royal Family.

  69. swirlmamad says:

    I think there are a lot of folks who are thrilled to have an excuse to use this particular example as a way to bash the Sussexes. Is making a pregnancy confirmation at a wedding ideal timing? No. But as has been mentioned numerous times here, they were seeing people they don’t often see and THEY DID NOT grab the mic and shout their baby news from the rooftops. More than likely it was already being gossiped about within the family, particular people knew already (the Queen, Charles etc) and I would bet money there was a lot of “so I hear you have good news to share?!?!” and of course they would say yes. If they are confirming to ONE or TWO people who have already figured out or have been told the news there is no need to lie — I wouldn’t. Just say “yes it’s true, thanks for the congrats” and keep it moving. Eugenie had her fairytale princess wedding day and no one was talking about the Sussex pregnancy in real-time. So much bickering and quibbling about what is a non-issue and not that serious at the end of the day.

    • Ames says:

      It struck me as a bunch of revisionist reporting after they announced it officially a few days later like it had been the “talk of the wedding.” We all knew by that point that Meghan doesn’t even have to participate in the latest controversy swirling around her for it to be laid at her feet entirely.

      Of course the usual media suspects who mostly ignored the fact that the future queen wore white to Markle’s wedding were breathlessly aghast – aghast, I say – will insist that Markle singlehandedly went out of her way to steal that poor bride’s thunder (eyeroll) on her precious wedding day.

  70. Ames says:

    Markle looked quite obviously pregnant in many of those tour photos, especially from side angles. That white Karen Gee dress? Her bump in that picture is unmistakable. Same with the blue cape dress.

  71. Betsy says:

    That’s a pretty meh revelation in the book, especially given that the family seems to already have known? I told my table mates (aunt/uncle and two cousins) at my sister’s wedding, but that’s because I didn’t touch my food and by the evening wedding time I was practically asleep at the table. I didn’t grab the mic and announce anything.

  72. Ames says:

    Personally, I would have been utterly preoccupied with the fact that a grifting pedophile was roaming around freely and nobody seemed inclined to do much about it.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      This is the best post on this thread.

    • kerwood says:

      Well said. People are talking about ‘etiquette’ and it being ‘the bride’s day’, when we all know that at least half the guests spent most of the wedding talking about how disgusting the sex offender and his grifter wife are. Hearing about Harry and Meghan’s baby (Harry was STILL a member of the family then) was probably a welcome relief to those who hated the idea of breathing the same air as the mother and father of the bride. Has anybody discussed how her mother and father stole the bride’s thunder by merely existing?

      • Gingerbee says:

        Exactly Kerwood. The trolls could not wait to invade this post, because the comments are almost at 400.

  73. LRobb says:

    I couldn’t believe at the time and can’t believe now what a big deal was made of this. It was nice news on a lovely family day. If these were my close cousins I would have been delighted for both of them that day

    • ArtHistorian says:

      The only reason a big has been made of this in the press is probably because Andrew and Fergie were big bad over the fact that they couldn’t milk the press cycle for as long as they had hoped.

    • Cynthia says:

      Also, a lot of people are acting like this is a normal family. Like they don’t have to go through 60,000 courtiers in order to see their grandmother and father 🙄

  74. K says:

    I would think it’s rude if someone purposely centered themselves at another person’s event, but I can’t see Meghan or Harry wanting to do that. They’re both empathetic, professional and have heaps of etiquette training.

    But also, I gotta say… some people get swept up into “perfect” wedding fantasies, but that is so self-aggrandizing that I have to roll my eyes. The world does not stop spinning for everyone else just because you were lucky (or determined) enough to find a life partner, bought some flowers and put on an expensive dress. Especially since we all know many marriages don’t last. Best case scenario, weddings are a day of love being shared with the important people in your life, but those people may still get pregnant, get sick, be in a mood, etc. –it can’t be helped–while you’re in celebration mode. That’s just life (and marriage): often a bit messy no matter how much careful planning we do.

  75. Jenn says:

    Told whom, how?

    I remember at our wedding, my husband’s cousin (who is the picture of genteel) came up to us and apologized for having to bail early, because his wife was… “you know…” and needed to return to her room to lie down. My jaw dropped because I had NOT known! It had not yet been announced, although family members had noticed that she wasn’t touching her drink. We hugged him with our congratulations and saw him off.

    So I can absolutely imagine a circumstance in which, not random-ass wedding guests, but the bride and groom and their most immediate family, are made aware of a fellow guest’s condition. I also knew which of my guests were vegetarian or vegan and which had a peanuts or shellfish allergy.

  76. Amelie says:

    For those up thread saying it wasn’t obvious that Meghan was pregnant at Eugenie’s wedding, you might want to get your eyes reexamined. It was very obvious from the way Meghan’s coat was buttoned as soon as she stepped out of the car for Eugenie’s wedding. Maybe she could have worn another outfit? Sure. But honestly, everything she wore in the weeks prior to the wedding really looked like she was trying to hide her midsection. People were speculating about it even before the wedding, the wedding just confirmed what people already suspected.

    As for the Australia/Pacific tour, it is true in most outfits it was hard to see her small bump but being in the public glare for 2+ weeks where her photo was being taken from every angle, there’s no way she could have hidden it the entire time. She would have been constantly avoiding alcohol and she had to skip some events (there was some bumpy ride on some island that she sat out I remember) and that alone would have fueled the headline speculation into overdrive. There is one specific dress she wore, the light blue one with a cape for the Fiji dinner, you could 100% see from the side her growing mid-section, you would have been blind not to notice. The pregnancy speculation would dominated the entire tour so instead of having the conversation be “Is she? Is she?”, they confirmed it right at the beginning. Instead of the focus being Meghan’s uterus, the tour was actually about the places and people they saw.

    As for Eugenie being annoyed, sure I buy that. But Mike Tindall himself said they had known about it a week prior before the wedding? My guess is they probably just confirmed it and told extended BRF relatives who hadn’t yet heard. I really don’t see how talking about a pregnancy at a wedding is such a no-no, especially when a pregnant woman is at that point where is she is slightly starting to show. I could see if Harry or Meghan grabbed the mic and announced it to the entire wedding but that is definitely not what happened. This weird mentality that the bride should be the focus of the day all day is something I’ve never understood. My own cousin announced her pregnancy a few days before another cousin’s wedding. She was about 3 months along and wouldn’t be drinking alcohol and she probably thought we might notice. We were happy for her and talked about it at the wedding. Nobody got mad or huffy about it.

    • whateveryousay says:

      Agree with you. Also why is she getting the blame here? It was a family group chat which to me means Harry told people. He was giddy to start a family. I mean damn. People can’t have anything or talk about themselves at a wedding? I will say though that one friend (who was white) was a total asshole at her wedding. She got mad I was on my phone when she was coming in for her entrance to the reception. I was getting ready to take her freaking picture. She literally said “whateveryousay this is my wedding how dare you be texting right now!” I have never had this mess surrounding a black relative’s wedding. My own sister just wanted me to be around constantly (I was not in the wedding party) so I just sat around all weekend so she could see me. God love her, I was ready to strangle her butt.

    • Perrine says:

      Thanks for clarifying that, and then even if she would have announced it in September, maybe it was a bit early? I know that Kate, for her three pregnancies, had to announce her pregnancy after two months because she was suffering from severe morning sickness and that inevitably, as much to announce it a little earlier which was not the case of Meghan. And in general, a pregnancy is announced after 3 months and unfortunately, it was in October, not far from Eugenie’s wedding and just after the tour. And then if she would have announced it before in public, people would still have criticized it, saying that she wanted to eclipse Eugenie’s marriage and I bet the press would have concentrated if we were going to see a slightly round belly. This is why she wanted to avoid saying it before, and so that no one would notice, she was wearing a navy blue outfit as well as a loose coat (which I have seen people criticize her for going to a funeral with this outfit on. ) but imagine she would have worn an outfit like Kate, we might have seen a little round belly and people would have criticized her for wanting to pay attention too. The ones they say it couldn’t be seen that she was pregnant, sometimes it was. Its depends on what angles the photos were taken. But we could see more of a slightly round belly on the side (when she was wearing her long blue dress for example) even sometimes from the front it was slightly visible when she was wearing a black sweater with her K-way which was open. And then, Harry had to go alone to a few places Meghan couldn’t because of the pregnancy risks. And do you all know how the press is? And then there had been a lot of speculation about her pregnancy in September, I remember it very well. Anyway, Eugenie had a whole wedding weekend and then they maybe confirmed the pregnancy because apparently Mike Tindall had that they knew it a week before because they had announced to them a week before, and that the This was a confirmation because it is the first time they have seen them since the announcement.

  77. kerwood says:

    So, they made a mistake. They were excited, the whole family was there and they told the news. Is Eugenie sooooooo petty that it would ruin her whole day?

  78. whateveryousay says:

    Is this just a white person rule? I am asking because at the last 5 weddings I have been to the following has happened 1) One cousin confirmed a pregnancy; 2) Two people confirmed they were engaged; 3) Another cousin confirmed that she was in the process of getting divorced; 4) My one cousin told us that he accepted a job and he and his family were moving from PA to FL. I am just baffled. Weddings are the time that for most of my family that we see each other unless it’s at a funeral. No one was angry and screaming about ruining the bride’s special day. Shoot, I love sitting at “the old folk’s” tables when we can move around cause they GOSSIP. I am still howling about listening to a story about a second cousin who got caught with another woman and then how his then wife threw him out naked for the neighbors to see. I personally don’t get why this is a thing.

    Back to Harry and Meghan. This was confirmed last year. Who cares about it now except to see the petty that was Eugenie who had a 2 day celebration, but was annoyed that somehow relatives who already knew had the nerve to be congratulating her cousin and his wife. I mean….the petty. I agree with some upthread though which is that the Yorks were ticked that they were not able to turn this into more positive press. And also some of you all forget, she had to disclose before the tour (which they did) because she could not go to some areas due to zika. I mean at the time everyone credited her for even going and still trying to participate. And honestly, she looked pregnant to me before this wedding. I hate bump watches cause something can always happen, but still, she looked fuller and rounder and you could tell a lot of her clothes did not fit. Since she was getting criticized at the time for spending so much on clothes I am sure they realized they were not going to just be able to go out there and buy more clothes. Eh whatever.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I’m Danish and I’ve never ever heard that it is a “rule” that you must not confirm a pregnancy or an engagement at another woman’s wedding (because apparently wedding are only the bride’s day, not the groom’s – at least that’s how it comes across when reading all these indignant posts). I honestly think that this may be a US/UK rule. I’m probably biased but it seems to me that there are a lot of rules about engagements and weddings in the Anglo-Saxon world. What do I know, I’m from a country where it is so unusual to propose with a ring that we have a special word for it.

      Honestly, the only 2 wedding rules I’ve ever heard are 1) don’t wear white (and that is just general etiquette) and 2) don’t screw the bride/groom (that’s just common decency).

      • A says:

        @ArtHistorian, same. And I come from a culture/background where there are tons of rules on what behaving politely entails. Weirdly enough, announcing your pregnancy, confirming it, confirming an engagement, a new job, etc are not faux pas. The majority of rules regarding etiquette are more or less about how the hosts themselves should behave towards their guests. This means, make sure people are well fed, make sure your venue is air conditioned, make sure people are comfortable and accommodated, and that everyone’s having a good time. And make sure the coffee is strong, and not watered down.

    • windyriver says:

      @whateveryousay – thank you for the reminder about zika! That was a very big consideration, all over the news, at the time they got married. And I’m fairly sure also there was at least one place Meghan didn’t travel to with Harry because of it.

      My nephew and his wife were married the weekend before Harry and Meghan, and the possibility of zika exposure was definitely a factor in planning their honeymoon.

      It’s amazing that it’s slipped almost everyone’s mind (including mine)!

  79. A says:

    This is like…such a total nonentity in every conceivable way. It depends on the circumstances if the news and its announcement actually stole “thunder” from the bride. But it’s also like….Eugenie’s a big girl. She can handle this stuff and doesn’t need people puffing up their chest at the ABSOLUTE INCONCEIVABLE LEVEL OF RUDENESS displayed by Meghan or whatever. Like, if you’re almost 30 something years old, and you’re hung up on sh-t like this, on your wedding day? God help you and your fragility, lol.

    • whateveryousay says:

      I did not catch that. Geez. That makes Eugenie worse IMHO. So they should not have talked about it at all and waited some time after her wedding to tell people? These people…

      • A says:

        @whateveryousay, I’m sorry, I went back and edited my comment because it turned out I had misread the excerpt myself. Per what’s written, it does say that the pregnancy was confirmed to family members at Eugenie’s wedding. It was Mike Tindall who said, a while after the official announcement, that most of the family knew as Meghan and Harry had told them a few days before Eugenie’s wedding, which is what I was thinking of when I wrote my original comment. I’m getting my wires mixed up, lol.

  80. nbfd says:

    I agree with a commenter above; these “blame Meghan” comments are disturbing. I have no doubt a giddy Harry could not contain himself. Meghan should lie about the happiest event in her life, really? Black womens’ pains and pleasures are diminished again.

    If Mike Tindall is to be believed (and why would he lie), Eugenie had a whole week to contact her cousin Harry and ask him to keep this news discreet at the wedding.

    Enough with the false equivalence. The Sussexes made an announcement only to family a week before, keeping the spotlight off themselves at someone else’s wedding. Kate’s whitely dress was trying to grab the spotlight all day long at someone else’s wedding.

    • CC says:

      I believe Mike tindal said he knew about the birth of archie through WhatsApp, not the pregnancy. May be wrong though.

  81. lily says:

    I find silly the controversy. why dont just be happy in your wedding day with good news around your loves ones? the celebration lasted enough for the couple being celebrate and the center of the attention. But if you dont cheers the good news of your cousins there is something wrong with you. Besides, that obsessions of the yorks to have such a huge and flashy wedding, even bigger than the son and brother of the future kings is what i really found tacky. And i found more problematic if you consider the parents finances and all the shady issues around them. Off topic: it is just me that found her second dress hideous and not pretty the bride looks in general? It wasn’t like she got drunk and did a spectacle like Sandra bullocks movie ’28 days’. I found worse to wear white to a wedding if you aren’t the bride…. just saying.

    Remember the time they traveled was the same the Zika virus was around some countries they visited and that virus is potentially damage for pregnant women and the fetus, so they had to tell and take precautions before the tour started.

  82. Not blind says:

    She was 100% not showing at that point. The unbuttoned coat and the announcement were both cringe. We get it, you procreated.

  83. ProfPlum says:

    Have we ruled out the possibility that Harry was so chuffed about the pregnancy that *HE* told other family members, who then went to Meghan for confirmation? I could totally see that–and him thinking it was NBD on his cousin’s wedding day. MM seems pretty savvy to me–I can’t see her being the one to spill the beans about this at someone else’s wedding unless forced to confirm the news.

  84. Ennie says:

    Yeah, I can see Meghan lying to Royal Family members (insert eyeroll).
    If other senior royals already knew, I cannot see them playing coy.
    I think they just wet with if anyone asks, we’ll answer.

  85. Kkat says:

    This was during zika, had they not announced before the trip it would have been had to explain why she wasn’t going to some areas.
    That could have been taken as an insulting slight.

  86. MA says:

    On schedule, any time a negative post comes up about Meghan, this site gets invaded by new posters and trolls complaining that this site’s biased for Meghan and full of blind sugars. Why don’t they seek out the million other sites that are all hate on Meghan? You know they never call out the hate posters on those sites and complain that they’re biased against her.

  87. Le4Frimaire says:

    I’m surprised people are so invested in this either way. Anyway, those feeling salty about it to this day should take comfort in the fact she was attacked throughout her pregnancy and the validity of both the pregnancy and child questioned to this day. Major eye roll.

  88. khaveman says:

    The fact that anyone cares about this is a sign the RF is showing its age and is outdated. Yawn.

  89. yinyang says:

    I see a lot of Meghan hating sites going on and on about this. Who cares, it’s joyous news they were probably bursting to tell, you can say it was not their time, bad taste or whatever, but who cares, it’s over now, wedding happened everything went smoothly, her haters need to get the f over it. Stop bringing up old stuff. Theres enough royals doing things currently that you can talk about. Stop hating her for exisiting.

  90. Lanie says:

    Let’s be real. No one cares about Eugenie’s wedding. They couldn’t even get it televised internationally, and no one was going to be covering it in the media past the release of the pictures.

    If Eugenie was *upstaged, it was because the York sisters have Andrew and Fergie as parents, not Charles and specifically not Diana.

    *because it is completely mental to think you’re being upstaged when you are wearing a big white dress and a tiara.

  91. Pj says:

    Are we not going to talk about the shade of Eugenie wearing the EMERALD tiara??

  92. MommaDawna says:

    Overzealous pregnant people do crap like that all the time. My sister-in-law announced she was pregnant at my sons first birthday party, after promising me she wouldn’t, I was pissed.

  93. Crowned Huntress says:

    Maybe I’m weird but as a bride I’d be so happy if a pregnancy was announced at my wedding. What a blessing and joyous announcement that would just elevate the celebrations in my opinion.
    To be honest I think this was just another way that the family & the press wanted to show Meghan that even though she married in, her & child would always been seen as an unwanted intrusion. There’s no correct way for Meghan because there just isn’t a way for her to be fully White.

    I was 100x more offended by Kate wearing white to Meghan’s wedding but that’s just me. Again death by a thousand swords thanks to the Windsors.

  94. Sass says:

    Reading that Eugenie was so welcoming to Meghan early on for it all to go so sideways makes me really sad.

  95. MA says:

    @Hillz LOL you should’ve just started like that so we could’ve marked you as a troll. You think everything with Trump is exaggerated and CNN is biased. Nuff said.