Tom Sykes was told about ‘Prince William having an affair’ by a daughter of an earl

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It would have been the best gossip ever if Finding Freedom had made any kind of reference to Rose Hanbury. Alas, having finished the book, it feels like there were some large chunks about Prince William edited out of the final product. I get that Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand were never going to spill major tea on Prince William’s alleged affair with the Marchioness of Chholmondeley, but there was definitely room for a shady reference about rose bushes or something. I’m just saying! While Scobie and Durand avoided it, Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast is not. Sykes was never a fan of the Duchess of Sussex, and that’s one of the reasons why I’ve avoided his royal coverage for months now, but Sykes also broke a few stories about Prince William, like the fact in April 2019, William’s lawyers were furiously trying to shut down the affair story and threatening legal action (which is how you know it’s true). So, Tom Sykes dropped this into a Daily Beast piece about where he gets his gossip:

While the working life of my hard-bitten colleagues at The Daily Beast involves a punishing regimen of worn shoe leather, lightning-fast shorthand and an easy facility with navigating the murkier corners of the dark web, my working life is rather different. My best scoops all seem to come from country house dinner parties, shooting weekends and my network of family, friends, and old school and university friends.

…It was at a dinner party attended by one of my top sources, the daughter of an earl, that I first heard the shocking rumors that Prince William was having an affair with one of his neighbors and it was over a family lunch that I was told that William and Harry really, really don’t get on with their dad, and he finds their habit of publicly emoting embarrassing and undignified. Both stories were denied by the Palace, of course.

[From The Daily Beast]

“The daughter of an earl” well that’s interesting! It just goes to the theory that William and Rose’s affair was common knowledge among the aristocrats and Turnip Toffs. It also goes to the theory that those people – the sons and daughters of earls, the sons and daughters of dukes, the old money blue-bloods – feel like the Duchess of Cambridge is not one of them, and they’ll get their revenge on her. They were mad when Kate tried to phase out Rose. And that Tatler debacle a few months back – that was one part of this too.

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  1. SJR says:

    The rich really are different from us.
    Part of Kates’ bargain includes kissy-kissy for the cameras w/her Husband mistress?
    No thank you.

    • Annie says:

      She didn’t know it at the time. Those pictures were probably taken before the affair. They’ve known her for a long time.

      • Becks1 says:

        the pictures from the EACH gala were likely before Kate knew, but they went to church with the Cholmondeleys (I know I spelled that wrong, sorry, lol) in early 2020, long after the rural rival story had broken.

      • Kalana says:

        I feel like she did know and made the Chomondolelys throw a very expensive party essentially to celebrate her. She put Will and Rose on blast to their Toff circle that she was in charge. There’s that picture of Rose looking uncomfortable, Kate gloating and William looking uneasy.

        Similar dynamics to the birthday church walk. Kate’s family is between the two women. Rose looks very uncomfortable while Kate seems very cared for and protected.

        Kate’s manipulative AF. She’s not some kind of shrinking violet.

        If the Chomondoleys really were the victims of a rumor that got out of control, then how cold of Kate and William to not at least walk with their friends.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The EACH fundraiser was in June 2016. The affair was rumored to happen late 2017 / early 2018.

      • lili says:

        Kelana, very interesting input!

    • KL says:

      Yeah, they have more money. (c/o Hemmingway)

  2. S808 says:

    I feel like he wrote this article solely to bring back up Rose lmao.

    This confirms there was an affair for me. I’ve seen tooo many people confirm it and say it’s common knowledge.

    • Love says:

      Also, to let W&K know that their friends are not really their friends.

      This was written to put them in their place

      • bamaborn says:

        Wills and Rose looking like, “I wonder if she knows?” Kate there looking clueless as usual.

    • Annie says:

      I was on the fence. I certainly believe he has affairs, but the origins for this particular version at first seemed speculation and not enough direct tea. But then came the defensive account that he and Rose “just” had private dinners together which made it seem much more likely; that’s a very bad defense. Then the pictures of them all in January, with Rose slightly isolated and awkward, looked highly forced: “Nothing to see here!” And this now totally confirms it for me. The source is too believable and Sykes is taking a real risk. Very interested to see if this gets a new life.

      And if it’s true and they dragged Kate and Rose to perform a weird propaganda stunt on Kate’s birthday on behalf of the monarchy, that’s just really despicable towards both women.

      • bettyrose says:

        My main source of doubt is that I don’t get what’s in it for Rose. I understand the affairs are supposed to happen within their own social circles to limit exposure, but surely there are much more desirable lovers in the Turnip Toff set?

      • Taylor says:

        @bettyrose, I think there might still be that “oh I slept with the future king!!”. It has to be that because, yeah, theres gotta be more desirable people out there lol. Also, and this is straight conspiracy, not even a real rumor- but I wonder about the Chomondley’s (sp) marriage. I think there ARE rumors about the husband being gay, but I wonder if this is kind of a power play on Rose’s part within her marriage. :shrugs:

      • Tealie says:

        In reply to @bettyrose > don’t think there’s anything ‘in it’ for Rose like they was for Camilla, they just had an affair like normal people do. Her husband Lord Rocksavage is 20 years older than her so I wouldn’t be surprised if she just felt alone and isolated. Loads of people always miss this out as evidence, but her brother after the news broke talked to a reporter on a drunken night out and spilled the tea saying Rose and her husband are very distant from each other and don’t have much in common because of the age gap, and also because she is always left at home when he travels to America for business.
        I think this is just a case of two people not being happy in their marriage and finding comfort in each other over a quickie. Rose was also pictured without her in at a gala a few months after without a ring and people are speculating whether a divorce may be on the rise…

  3. Princess Peach says:

    I mean only the most delusional Cambridge stans think this story isn’t true.

    Kate also must be profoundly unlikable as she appears to not have a friend in the world. No aristos, not friendly with her SIL, and apparently not close to Pippa anymore. She really should have tried with Meghan as she apparently is the rare friend who wouldn’t touch William with a ten foot pole.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      I have often wondered this too. We never really see Kate with friends or hear about her close friends from childhood or school. Why? What’s the story there?

      • Tealie says:

        She ditched all her university friends mainly in 2007 when she THOUGHT she was going to get engaged to William and started integrating herself into his friendship group to not only stop him from having female friends and eliminating competition, but also to try and move with the turnip toff crew and aristo circles (Despite them all hating her) . Rose has been her only female friend since (but we all know how that went, otherwise she sticks to Pippa and Carole.

    • Aurora says:

      Kate is one of those guy’s girls who lights up around men but views every woman she meets as competition and as a result has no female friends. She’s going to be very lonely as she continues to rapidly age out of her looks and the guys stop paying her much attention.

      • khaveman says:

        YES! This with regard to her. I have a friend who doesn’t really like her female friends but men are always right, always the “thing” with her. A guy’s girl. It’s really astonishing insecurity.

      • Anna says:

        Interesting that I’ve read the same about Angelina Jolie on these pages and even AJ has said as much herself but…two *very* different people, clearly, but I’m guessing she won’t be met with the same disdain (now, at least) for being a “guy’s girl”.

      • Nic919 says:

        Why is Angelina being brought into this? She’s contributed far more to the world than Kate ever has and she doesn’t live off taxpayer money.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Why knows why she’s being brought in, Nic919. AJ is known to have close female friends, she spoken and written of them before.

    • Becks1 says:

      She has one friend that we see usually around her birthday – I think that’s sophie carter? Or Emilia Jardine-Patterson? But those are usually the only two who are mentioned. Even in FF, when Omid rattles off a bunch of names of Kate’s friends, he mentions they’re all married to friends of William, so it seems more that she is friendly with some of the wives and has very few friends on her own.

      (as an aside, I just googled Kate Middleton Best Friend bc I couldn’t remember EJP’s name, and the first response is Rose Hanbury lol.)

      • Cari says:

        She made friends with Emilia at Marlborough because Emilia was friends with William. It worked – Emilia introduced Kate to William.
        Sophie was dating williams best friend.
        She used to be friends with holly Branson. Sam Branson said the two were close… but holly never seems to be mentioned any more. Are they still friends? Holly is now friends with her sister in law Isabella calthorpe.

    • Eleonor says:

      I would run away from all those aristo too.

      • Tealie says:

        Loll me too Eleanor (well depending on how good the gossip is, I wouldn’t mind being on the sidelines), but difference is Kate did not ‘run away’ nor has she tried to avoid them, they ACTIVELY don’t like her and don’t want her,ndespite her and Carole’s many attempts to be in the group. E.g their mean nickname for them, ‘The Wisteria sisters’.

    • Stacy Dresden says:

      Kate missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime with Meghan.

      • bettyrose says:

        So.much. They really could have been allies. Meghan was never a threat to her regarding Wills and probably would’ve been very supportive of Kate, but she always would have and always will shine brighter. I felt bad for Kate for a long time. She’s had no control at all over her own life, but it is kinda hard to keep viewing her as a victim of Carol & Will with all this.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      “Cold”, “guarded”, “competitive”, “grand”…descriptions in this vein have been the most common and consistent for Miss Keen over the years. I think it’s safe to say she isn’t exactly a ray of sunshine.

      • bettyrose says:

        I gotta say, it’s never healthy for any woman (or man) to have nothing besides their marriage. That level of dependence on one person for your whole existence, financial & emotional, is worrisome.

      • Chrissy says:

        @bettyrose
        IMO I think it’s also really unhealthy to have your mother as your best friend. Especially a mother like Carole. It sounds like incredibly manipulative Carole has choreographed Keen’s whole life so that lazy Keen never rebelled, developed any independent thought or normal relationships with anyone who might distract from the goal of ensnaring and keeping PWT. As far as we know, any relationship she has is either linked to PWT or in the service of her stage mother. Also, Carole has acted as Keen’s fixer over the years, what with her links to the DM and her brother’s dirty money financing the Middleton facade. If something ever happened to Carole, Keen would be completely lost. I feel really bad for how this will affect her kids given how much time we think Carole spends with them, especially George.

      • Tealie says:

        In reply to @bettyrose > don’t think there’s anything ‘in it’ for Rose like they was for Camilla, they just had an affair like normal people do. Her husband Lord Rocksavage is 20 years older than her so I wouldn’t be surprised if she just felt alone and isolated. Loads of people always miss this out as evidence, but her brother after the news broke talked to a reporter on a drunken night out and spilled the tea saying Rose and her husband are very distant from each other and don’t have much in common because of the age gap, and also because she is always left at home when he travels to America for business.
        I think this is just a case of two people not being happy in their marriage and finding comfort in each other over a quickie. Rose was also pictured without her in at a gala a few months after without a ring and people are speculating whether a divorce may be on the rise…

      • Tealie says:

        Ignore my last reply, it’s on the word comment thread. But @bettyrose and @chrissy yes very much so and I think there’s a name for that sort of relationship whether mother purposely stunts their child’s growth so they can’t live without them and can live vicariously through them, a bit like Munchhausen by proxy (where the parents poisons /makes the child ill and makes up illnesses not only for sympathy, but so the child will be dependent on them)

    • February-Pisces says:

      Keenbridge stans would never admit that he’s cheating on her, not even if there was a whole damn sex tape to prove it. They’re already so sensitive that her brother in law doesn’t want to screw her. I think if her own husband rejects her too it might send them over the edge. The Karen’s live their basic life through Kate and are desperate to validate her desirability and sex appeal, because they know she’s as dull as they are. In their own head kate is married to both Willie and Harry.

      • goofpuff says:

        I agree. Its like they are living in their own twihard fantasy and forget that real life doesn’t work that way. At all.

    • KellyRyan says:

      Over attachment and highly dependent on mommy.

    • Maria says:

      She once had friends (I don’t know how close). She dropped them all. Pulled a couple out of hiding for the 2007 clubbing campaign, then dropped them too. The rest are just wives of William’s friends or people she met through William (or through trying to get to William, lol).

  4. Nancy says:

    This is…so wild.

  5. VS says:

    Wow this story doesn’t want to die….

  6. Ginger says:

    This definitely feels like a warning shot to William. He needs to pay up on info regarding the Sussex’s or else. The leaks have dried up. Harry and Meghan bought a house and moved and no one in the British media knew about it.

    The British media are having crazy meltdowns right now. They are going after the Sussex Squad on twitter for being “mean” to the RF. They have nothing on the Sussex’s now and it’s driving them crazy. William better be prepared.

    • Becks1 says:

      The RRs on twitter are making me nervous. They’re really going to attack people for criticizing the royal family on twitter, considering what anti-Meghan people have been saying for years? that’s the battle they want to fight?

      I don’t have a large twitter following and my twitter account is mostly retweets and replies, but even so, I’m nervous about being targeted, which is ridiculous.

      • Love says:

        Omg, be careful Becks1. I saw some nasty headlines over the weekend, and an interview of DW (sun gossip) where he was smirking and baiting the SS… in hindsight, it’s chilly and creepy. It’s clear they have reached peak desperation. DM is cutting down on staff, so they’re fighting for their “survival”.

      • Babz says:

        I actually checked to make sure I’m not on any lists, due to a warning from a Sussex Squaddie who discovered some of the supporters’ comments are being used for “news” to attack H&M. I’m giving major side eye to some of those accounts, because there’s the possibility they are burner accounts used by the RR for trolling squaddies. You’re wise to be nervous. I am too.

    • Izzy says:

      Well, they are SOL. One of the reasons Meghan and Harry split was because of the leaks. How freaking long is it going to take for them to realize that no amount of blackmail can magically create gossip for Willie to offer up to them? They all grossly overplayed their hands and got burned. Too bad.

    • Microsoft says:

      Yeah it’s crazy and who will be sorry for royal family of white . They really think many people will sorry for them because twitter is mean to them. Lol dan Wooten is losing his mind over them now majority of them ignore. Also they cant doxxed, or sue them because twitter wont allow them. Also with BLM they should lay low but they keep reminding people of their white privilege.

    • Chica1971 says:

      I’m done with FF only because it’s seems like a rehash of the last few years where certain things are amplified. There is no new gossip. Everything from Sussex is professional and charity- related. Gossip needs jealousy, rivalry and proximity which means the Cambridge’s have the target on their backs again.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Chica1971 – I did not care for Finding Freedom either. No new information and limited commentary from the authors on background information. I was VERY disappointed.

      • Ginger says:

        You can tell large parts of the book were edited out. One minute Harry and William were friends and the next they weren’t speaking. William doesn’t come out looking bad. The only one that did was Kate.

        I wish William was exposed more but legal reasons prevented that.

      • Becks1 says:

        You can tell where either the sources dried up (not likely) or legal took over. the beginning is very detailed, especially the part about Harry’s military service and the Invictus games with the Obamas, and then the last few chapters are very vague and seem like they were sourced from the headlines. I think someone took a red pen to huge parts of the book for legal reasons.

      • MsIam says:

        Supposedly there will be more juice when the paperback version comes out. Don’t know if I would buy it though.

      • L4frimaire says:

        I felt the book left a lot out as well. This is why I actually believe the authors when they say they didn’t interview Harry and Meghan directly. There seems a lot of insider details on their dating life, but once they got to UK, everything is vague with a lot left unsaid. Anyway, it debunked a lot of silliness, and this along with the house move s d their recent a this event shut down some if the tabloids gross narratives. Not all, but some.

    • Snuffles says:

      They are going after the Sussex Squad. They already wrote and article about one of them who coordinated a fundraising drive for Archie (the global baby shower one) and got a call from Meghan thanking her. They named her and printed all kinds of personal information. Now they are threatening to go after another one who coordinated a recent fundraiser for Meghan’s birthday and got a call too. Dan Wilton has hissed about them on TV and his podcast too. The squad is clearly getting under their skin. But all they are doing is raising the squad to the level of other fandoms like the Beyhive or BTS ARMY.

      This will backfire on the royal rota too.

      • mynameispearl says:

        Well in fairness, H&M actually phoned the person to congratulate them for raising 40k for charity in their name (a laudable achievement for sure), but had they done a bit of a scroll through her Twitter feed would have realised that she had been saying pretty nasty things about the RF for quite some time (calling Kate an anorexic hag was one example).

        Considering what Harry has said recently about social media, and internet hate etc this is a really sloppy mistake. Who vets these things for them??

      • ABritGuest says:

        No, there was a separate twitter account set up for the Archie birthday fundraiser and they were made aware of that twitter account & called one of the organisers after she had been interviewed in Harper’s bazaar etc.

        They wouldn’t have known of tweets on her individual account. And reporters like Dan Wootton have no room to talk. Many of them follow and openly interact with vicious anti Meghan trolls who spread disgusting images and rumours. And they push out their theories in the mainstream eg Piers Morgan claiming Harry is like a hostage victim was from trolls. Angela Levin was retweeting moonbump theories recently.

      • mre says:

        Are you talking about that user formally know as henryscousin? That person was not only tweeting pretty gross comments about the royal family like calling female members of the royal family “anorexic wrinkly hoe” and “ugly horse face bitch. Then there was the time she called another user a coon simply for disagreeing with her, and when she was called out on it, she doubled down.

        And before people start, I’m sure that their have been Cambridge stans, who’ve said horrid shit about Meghan. Speaking of doxing, the Sussex Squad has done that too. Stan Twitter is the worst.

      • ABritGuest says:

        Emily rashaw said that royal twitter is the worst she has come across and I am not surprised.

        I don’t think you can compare the White supremacists who are suddenly into Kate as future queen since Meghan came on the scene to Sussex stans though. These people came up with megxit which was a hashtag full of racist slurs etc to drive Meghan out and have loads of petitions going to strip titles etc. They push moonbump and all type of theories& harass charities and anybody who posts about Meghan (hence Emily’s tweet). They stalk locations (one went to NYC to
        confront Meghan at her baby shower) and floor plans for the Sussexes. I don’t see Sussex fans going to these extremes for any royals or setting up dedicated hate channels on them. And the British press has emboldened these types.

      • Nic919 says:

        One “reporter” made a public tweet to the other person they called to ask about “bullying William “ and other members of the BRF. Being critical of William is not bullying and why are they so concerned about the FFK and critical comments as opposed to the outright racist comments made by the trolls who follow many of the RRs? This is not a both sides issue.

      • Nic919 says:

        Also, blaming Meghan for thanking someone who raised money for charity who may have made mean comments on a twitter account is nowhere on the same level as being friends with a pedo, and I am talking about Charles and Jimmy Saville, not Andy, so let’s not even pretend that this is on the same level at all. And can we review all the criminals and other shady types linked to the other royals?

      • Sid says:

        ITA Snuffles.

        And as always, people come along with false equivalencies. Some of those Twitter Sussex fans are over the top, yes. But please let me know when they start parking themselves en masse under the SM accounts of the royal families and start spewing the sort of hate that many of those self-proclaimed Cambridge fans spew, to the point where the comments section is completely overtaken. Please let me know when those Sussex fans start harassing celebrities for simply putting up a nice thank you post, as many of the self-proclaimed Cambridge fans did to Jennifer Garner. I won’t even get into the “Blackfishing” I see happening, with some of them using stolen or stock photos of Black people as their avatars. I am getting extremely tired of the “both sides are bad” argument, when it is plainly obvious to anyone that the abuse targeted at Meghan is above and beyond anything that other members of that family receive.

      • ennie says:

        POC avatars, and even names.

      • Lady D says:

        Surprise, surprise. Cambridge stans are cowards. Probably learned it watching the royal family in action.

  7. Microsoft says:

    I predict this from Sussex announcement of leaving brf. The press are mad as hell because their wiping boy is out of country and Sussex is engaging with us press and this pissed them off. Also many in blue blood which include tom is jealous of harry brought the home. If harry is in uk he may not able to buy it . William is the one pushed them out so they are all coming for him. You may ask why on earth they will be jealous of Sussex particularly harry buying home because all those blue blood homes comes from their ancestors and majority of them cant able to maintain their home and property that’s why they open their home for tourist. Other than duke of Wellington rest of blue blood in uk are poor when comes to liquid cash and their wealth comes from their market value of their home. Remember that future future king of uk doesnt own any property of his own. That’s why harry buying his first home drive them nuts. No matter what Kate does they will never accept her. She can live in her own misery. I know william will inherit some of queen private property when he become king , the thing is he is only legal guardian it doesnt fully belong to him. Even if they release the s$x video of william and rose and publicy embarrassed Kate, she wont leave him because title and tiara is more worth for her than her husband love and loyalty.

    • manda says:

      whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute…. there’s a video?!?!?!????

      • Juliette says:

        Exactly? First I’ve heard of a video. If true, would be glorious if it were leaked.

      • Microsoft says:

        No video I’m just saying hypothetically. Kate the coat hanger wont leave .

      • Alexandria says:

        I think Microsoft is saying even if there’s a sex video Kate would still stay cos you know why.

      • tcbc says:

        Look, I don’t care for William, but releasing a sex tape without the consent of its participants is not only unforgivable, it is a crime, and no one should be advocating for it.

  8. Izzy says:

    Now that the story is out with a source, can the RF stop throwing the Sussexes under the bus? By now they should understand that no smear campaign will distract from the Epstein/Prince Pedo debacle either.

    • Nic919 says:

      Remember when the sunflowers tried to claim that Nicole Cliffe invented the William is having an affair with Rose Hanbury story? This is a pretty obvious rebuke of that camb stan fantasy.

      Also it will be very interesting once EU laws have no more effect in the UK because the human rights threat only exists in EU law, not the UK.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Those stans were also claiming that Nicole admitted she lied and apologized when she did no such thing. They were parroting that same talking point for months too. It’s amazing how readily and insistently they’ll lie for their agenda.

      • Maria says:

        Ugh! I followed a fantastic IG page on the royals that has turned to garbage, and yes, the Cambridge stans were in full force screaming about how Cliffe “admitted she made it up”. I pointed out Giles Coren’s tweet and someone replied that he had apologized for it. Where??
        The comments about how William and Kate “don’t care about gossip” and “are living their lives without the haters bothering them” are so unreal. If they didn’t care then why were the Royal reporters not even allowed to MENTION Rose’s presence at that last State Banquet? Why are these people so delusional???
        Oh and of course they swallowed that “Rose with Kate church walk” bait hook line and sinker.
        One user said they “didn’t believe William would cheat because of what happened with his parents” – I also pointed out that Anmer Hall was the site of several rendezvous between Charles and Camilla before Charles and Diana divorced so if the infidelity bothered William so much why is it their base? You can imagine how well that went over, lol.

    • Tealie says:

      Beach Dreams says: those racist ‘stans‘ are delusional Nicole Cliff said no such thing and stands by her words vehemently, she even has ‘Sussex Squad’ in her bio which indicates she is not trying to remove herself for the situation, and knows the truth…

  9. Becks1 says:

    I didn’t realize until reading that article that tom Sykes was from an old aristocratic (or just old money?) family – he talks about how his grandfather was friends with the Queen’s father and used to make fun of his accent to his face. He admits he missed William at Eton by a few years but it definitely seems that there is significant overlap in connections even with “missing” him.

    Anyway, all that to say – Sykes definitely knew what he was doing with bringing up this story again, over a year after William first tried to shut it down, and that’s interesting.

    • Chica1971 says:

      His sister Lucy was one of Anna Wintour’s pets at Vogue, I think that’s how Tom got into US media.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I think Tom Sykes is also related to the writer Plum Sykes.

    • Tealie says:

      @becks1 Yes, it shows his full confidence in his allegations and sources and hints at the fact that he has further evidence and proof of what is going/went on… I’m excited.

  10. Maliksmama says:

    Sometimes if you pray hard enough, God will give you what you asked for. Kate prayed for a king. God gave her 10 years to really see William for who he is and that family for what it is. She jumped in eyes wide open.

    Kate hasn’t looked as happy as she was on her wedding day for quite some time. When together, she and William look like strangers standing next to one another. I would say paid actors, but actors can fake being in love better than they can.

    Kate scratched and clawed her way to the top of the heap in order to be queen. Found out it isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Each year her face ages 5 years. And is adopting a sister-wife uniform for public outings.

    After what she and her husband did to the Sussex folk, I say this couldn’t have happen to a more deserving person.

    • Willz (not THAT one) says:

      I have a modicum of pity for Kate. It’s been instilled in her from the start that money and status equal happiness and take precedence over all else. And when the possibility of her becoming royalty came along, Ma Middleton was never going to let that go. Unfortunately, her education included competition over comeraderie, backstabbing over bonding, hindering over helping, etc., and likely by example. I imagine she might feel stuck if she ever experiences a moment of self-awareness.

      • lucy2 says:

        I imagine, aside from her children, she has an unhappy life.

      • February-Pisces says:

        You can see the difference in doria and Carole during their daughters weddings. Doria looked a little sad and worried for Meghan, Carole looked smug AF and was grinning like a Cheshire Cat. She’s a mother who doesn’t give af about her daughters wellbeing, as long as she’s royal.

      • Tealie says:

        I used to have respect for her or at least pity, but after the leaks obvious leaks, Tatler gate, Sussexit and her trying to weaponise her white tears again Meghan, I lost every single form of human respect and decency for her. I’m glad she is suffering, she deserves everything she gets and I hope it gets worse.

        For me the fake tears were the last straw.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Very, very well said.

    • Lowrider says:

      Kate does not look unhappy. How could she when she has so far achieved everything she wanted? Her attitude when Meghan showed up on the scene revealed her true self.

    • Korra says:

      I use to think people were overly harsh on Kate with the whole “looking older” thing, but her rapid aging has become so apparent this past year. It really struck when I saw those photos back in July with her new Melania-inspired hair. For a woman who has all sorts of aging interventions at her disposal, including fillers and botox, she is gaining the face she deserves.

    • HeyJude says:

      She’s a picture of Katie Gray.

      It’s actually rather sad, I saw pictures from their college days a while back and it looks like a whole different person. I know 3 kids even with help is going to take a toll, but she’s physically bounced back from carrying them and yet she’s still very different.

      • Granger says:

        I think her aging face is also partially down to extreme calorie restriction. She is way too thin.

      • Chrissy says:

        I guess chasing an heir for ten years has it’s downside. Though she bought Carole’s fantasy of her being FFQC, and being “taken care of”, the price she paid was a husband who doesn’t love or respect her, him having affairs that everyone knows about and living your life where you’re expected to work (which we know she hates doing). Lazy Katie thought she could live a leisurely life where she and her family would be respected by the Aristocracy (a dream of Carole’s) but instead she lives in a gilded cage. We see the results in her looking looking 20 years older than she is and dieting/ exercising as a way to somewhat controlling her life. Between the demands of her petulant husband and the demands of her climbing mother, I wonder if she has any regrets.

  11. Noki says:

    I would really love to hear more details on Kates failed attempt to socially exile Rose. Lol it reminds me of an episode of SATC when Samantha went too far and slept with a major socialites husband.

    • S808 says:

      Kate really thought she was gonna get William to phase out Rose……I think those aristos would phase out Kate AND William before Rose goes. Kate probably, at the very least, severely annoyed the toffs with this. William probably cheats all the time so I’m thinking him and rose got closer than just being FWB.

      • HeyJude says:

        Rose is phase-proof so long as she’s married to the Lord Great Chamberlain (and once he’s passed, she’ll be the mother of the Lord Great Chamberlain), who’s required to be present and serve a special ceremonial role at all formal state occasions.

        I mean he dresses the monarch upon their coronation, and his son will do the same, she’s not going anywhere.

        That in fact could be Kate’s great anger with all this. Rose’s son will dress William and maybe even George on their coronation days in all likelihood. That’s a bitter pill to have to swallow after an affair.

  12. Harper says:

    How delightfully shady of Sykes to say he won’t repeat a story until he has had three sources confirm it while in the same breath casually relate how he first heard about Prince William’s affair. We’ve been waiting for the royal reporters to start leaking about the Turnip Toffs in the American press. This isn’t much, but maybe it’s the start?

  13. Redgrl says:

    You know, it just occurred to me that this makes William even more of a lousy person. He would know that the Toffs don’t accept his wife and that their horse-faced classism is a big part of the reason. And then he apparently goes and bangs one of the leaders of the Toffs? Think about that for a second. Bad enough to have an affair, 10/x worse to do so with the head of the group that openly mocks your wife and her family based on outdated notions of “breeding”.

    • Alexandria says:

      He’s a massive jerk periodt. Forget Kate, talk about William more.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Yep. I don’t like Kate but I actively DESPISE William – and I wish there would be more focus on his flaws and bad behaviour.

        He treated his own brother abominably, I think he’s awful to his wife and I worry about how he’ll treat his own children when they grow up to be teenagers.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        I’m also rather shocked at Rose’s behaviour. I mean, just how desperate do you have to be to go for the Penis With Teeth?

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt Rose is desperate for anything. She has the set-up of a lifetime and wouldn’t leave that for William. If she wanted a fling with future POW? That’s why women would sleep with Charles, for the status or for future access. It may be simple FWB, companionable, fine with a little cheating here and there. Nothing serious as they have no expectations of each other.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        All of these aristocrats and wealthy landed gentry are very incestuous with each other. These people do not marry for love; they marry for position, breeding, protection of assess and the family estate. IMPO, Rose having an affair with William does not affect David Rocksavage in the same way it would, may or does affect Kate.

    • Darla says:

      I agree and I find the glee taken in this being done to Kate very untoward.

      • Lowrider says:

        Possibly because Kate seems like a person who lacks self respect. A vain person who puts material possessions and status above all else. She’s a person that will accept infidelity and the media’s verbal abuse to keep the status quo. I can’t sympathize with Kate’s predicament.

        Though, Will is a turd and I do wish people would call out his behavior a lot more.

      • Becks1 says:

        ?? no one is gleeful about Kate being cheated on (although I do think she knew it was part of the deal when she got married but I imagine she thought it would stay secret.)

        What we are “gleeful” about is that this story wont die – William and the palace basically forbid reporters a year ago from talking about it, while the palace actively continued to throw Meghan under the bus for living. So whenever anyone says “there was nothing they could do” to stop the negative press coverage – well, there was something they could do. William shut this story down as fast as he could (and a few decades ago, it would have worked, but in social media, tweets are forever.)

        that said, William is definitely an asshole in more ways than one, and the church appearance with Rose and her husband this winter was definitely a power move on his part, designed to hurt Kate, which just proves how big an asshole he is.

      • Deedee says:

        Normal Bill and Keen Kate performed that plane stunt to make the Sussexes look bad. Also, we got press release denials about Kate’s hair (even though she was wearing extensions) and yet, nothing to defend the Sussexes from the most vile attacks. Kate could’ve said that Meghan was great to work with, taken her to lunch, sent a letter defending her, but no, nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

      • Sid says:

        I find it untoward to walk into a Commonwealth Service where even though you know millions of eyes will be on you and you are in an exalted position through no real merit of your own, you still decide to behave in a blatantly rude manner toward your in-laws. I find it untoward to basically ignore your sister-in-law and her brand new baby and not even get up to offer a friendly helping hand at an informal event. I find it untoward not to make sure your skirt will stay in place at a ceremony at a war memorial during a foreign tour, even though you already know it’s a problem you have since your skirts have gone flying in the air multiple times before.

        All that said, I am not seeing much glee here at all over William allegedly cheating on Kate. William is the one we are mocking, and rightfully so.

      • VS says:

        Why should people feel any type of pity for Kate? the same woman who willingly participated in the FlyBe stunt? the same woman at the CW services? it is amazing how the suffering of others should be minimized while hers should have people rally around her for comfort

        This couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person; I am indifferent to any suffering she may endure because of this. She is not a woman who can support others. She is a woman who let the ‘Meghan made kate cry go’ so her SIL could be attacked while defending her baby botox BS….should I mention the FlyBe debacle again?

        The only people who I think people should feel sorry for are the kids; they did nothing to deserve this; they are the only innocent people in that household

      • Alexandria says:

        Kate is still a mean girl. I’m just relishing the gossip spotlight on William for once because he is the worst.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate knew who and what she was marrying. He cheated on her for 10 years, and the only time she broke it off was when it was too public. Otherwise, she and her family put up with all the cheating because they wanted the prize of titles, access, status.

        She could have chosen to stalk a different man for a decade, but she chose The Prince. This is the deal she made, stand back while he cheats, because William will always cheat. She could have found sympathy with Harry and Meghan, but she chose to throw them under the bus out of jealousy and resentment of their happiness.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Kate’s conduct towards Meghan defines untoward. Why should she get any pity or sympathy when she clearly doesn’t deserve it? She wanted this life, and now she gets to have it and *everything* it entails. She knew what William was like and had plenty of time to walk away.

      • Tealie says:

        I didn’t feel ‘gleefully’ and wouldn’t feel gleeful If they haven’t did what they did to the Sussex‘s, completely unforgivable.

      • Tealie says:

        Re VS says is the classic white woman tears thing that they talked about in the 19th summit, where NO MATTER WHAT when a white woman cries everyone rallies around them and portrays them as the ‘victim’ and the POC as the ‘aggressor’. Kate crying over not being the centre of attention at Meghan‘s = Kate’s victim. Meghan crying at Kates wedding over KATES wedding decision = Meghan the violent aggressor. Which is why they so pushed the Meghan made cake cry thing, Kate and KP knew what they were doing and it disgusts me.
        There is a historical powerplay that comes with the weaponisation of white tears e.g Emmet Till which is why they will claw and die over that story. I have no sympathy for kate, and am indeed as gleeful as she was when she was using her whiteness and the allure of white supremacy to plot against Meghan. May Rose and Wills affair live on!

    • windyriver says:

      We’ve heard how William was supposedly Diana’s confidant when it came to her issues with Charles. So, he knows the pain it caused for her. Plus, he knows how he himself felt as a child 1) listening to this from his mother; and 2) with Diana’s and Charles’ private lives and various involvements played out publicly in the media. Does he ever consider how the way he treats Kate, and how he conducts his personal life, affects his children? Or is this entire family just too selfish and screwed up for that to even register?

      Probably just answered my own question.

      • Mumbles says:

        I heard that too. A child should not be a confidant for one parent’s unhappiness and complaints about the other. There was a lot to admire about Diana, but this was not. Could explain the attraction of Carole to him.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He accepted Anmer Hall as a family home, the same house where the Van Cutsems helped Charles and Camilla have their affair. William has no problem with infidelity.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Those stories have been vastly exaggerated by Diana herself, who wasn’t exactly known for telling the truth when a lie got her better PR. Remember, Harry and William were away at boarding school the majority of the War of the Waleses. It isn’t like he was home with mummy every night; he saw her a few weeks of the year.

      • windyriver says:

        Yes, it’s not specifically that Will cheats, which he clearly has no problem doing, or that maybe/maybe not he heard a lot of Diana’s problems. I meant, Will should (in theory) have some sense of what it feels like for a child to be in a situation where his parents have issues to begin with, but also those issues are played out publicly (among the people they know and/or in the media). That includes Will’s visible and blatant disrespect for Kate, that he chooses to screw the neighbor, etc.

        George is seven years old, not such a little kid any more. You wonder how much he’s aware of what goes on.

      • ennie says:

        nota, and Will is close friends with that family, including being godparents of their youngest son.
        Think he is the same as Charles, how will he be the only PoW/king without a mistress?

      • Nikki* says:

        I DO feel sorry for Kate; no one wants a spouse to cheat. She may well have thought that in this age of internet media scrutiny, William couldn’t get away with it once they were married. She will also want to protect her children from any pain from fallout of this type.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He might be ennie.

        Nikki*, the Middletons have been in bed with paps and tabloids for 20 years. They know how the system works, do their own leaking, get their own story out through those photos and leaks. They knew William would continue to cheat, they knew they’d do their own pro-Kate PR and pressure him to get something they wanted as part of the bargain. When he strayed with the skiing trip, she got Baby #3 out of it. We may see Baby #4 for Rose.

      • Babz says:

        I wonder, in William’s childhood mind, if, even though he loved his mother and hated seeing her so unhappy, there also wasn’t a tiny, deeply buried kernel of anger towards her too? Anger that she couldn’t keep the family together, even though both his parents were involved. Anger like that can breed a lack of respect towards all women, and if we’ve learned anything, it’s that there’s a lot of rage behind that toothy grin. Anger and sadness and grief can also lead to rebellion and reckless behavior, as we’ve seen in both princes, but only Harry seems to have done the hard emotional work to grow out of those feelings. I think Will is emotionally crippled, and those emotions became crippled in childhood, and carry over to today. The prime examples are his disrespect for his wife, his willingness to abuse and conspire against the brother he supposedly loves, and his belief that he doesn’t need to do anything meaningful with his life because of when he was born, and to whom. If anyone ever needed serious, long-term therapy, it’s Will, but he has a long way to go before hitting the bottom and realizing he needs help. If he ever does.

      • Tessa says:

        William was cosseted and protected for years by his father, his father had to apologize for WIlliam’s speeding along on a neighboring estate, William skipped out on royal duties for “fun” events. Kate also enabled WIlliam’s bad treatment. She could have told him to get lost instead she conspired to “win him back” getting the press to photograph her at clubs and her wearing short skirt and being seen with other men. Kate had no life other than being on call for william. She should never have let him get away with it. Kate is not nice to other women and has no close women friends, she sacrificed having real friends by thinking of the as threats when she was pursuing william, he was the be all and end all. Isabella and others turned him down,

      • Tessa says:

        I think William as confidante has been overstated. She would have had to explain a marital split but she told William that she and Charles still loved each other. I think Diana would “upset” William because she did not coddle him when he wanted her to coddle him and was known to call him out when he did not behave well.. I think that he may have felt cheated because Diana did not treat him as more “special” than his brother. I am worried about the Cambridges because I think WIlliam is taking the route that George is the “important one.”

      • Tealie says:

        Reply to @ Tessa

        I agree that worries me too. Obviously we don’t see the full picture but I don’t like how Louis is ALWAYS as left out and I originally thought it was due to age, but when Charlotte and George were that young they were always included in pics and Charlotte was always included in pics with George, the first time we saw him again was in lockdown after year and a bit. Even in recent family pictures he is no where to be found which strikes me as very odd. Another thing that that stuck out to me was that during that fake lockdown/charlottes birthday photo shoots where William completely leaves Charlotte out of the Umbrella – the same way he does to Kate and only slight covers George. I get that George will be future King however 7 is definitely too early to be starting to treat siblings differently. I feel that we can already see that George is getting a bit of a hoity-toity like William.

    • bamaborn says:

      Not too hard to see when you had no respect for the person in the first place. And, to be honest, Kate and her family, egging her on to chase this man, show they didn’t have a lot of respect either.

      • Tessa says:

        Kate even felt she had to strut down that fashion runway in a see through dress so WIll would be interested yet now her PR is that she is “shy and demure”.

  14. ABritGuest says:

    Sykes is an odd one. He will play along like the rota and claim that Meghan broke protocol for having Bryony Gordon do a profile. But keep quiet when Sophie does one with the Sunday times months later. He also claimed the Vogue issue had flopped

    But he’s called out Harry, William& Kate in the past and was one of the first to predict the Sussexes’ popularity on Oceana tour could be a problem. He also noted the change in the Cambridges media approach after that. I don’t think he really likes any of them

    He totally wrote this just to discuss the affair rumours but interesting that he really spelt out how connected he was to royal circles and how he gets gossip

    I saw an old Tatler post that made reference to Rose& her husband and how “certain neighbours no longer swing by’ so seems the gossip was out there before Dan Wootton feud article. I do feel for Kate if these rumours were an open secret. It’s embarrassing no matter the arrangements.

    Guardian also slyly referenced the rumours in a finding freedom book review. Journalists hate being hamstrung this way so you will see journalists have sly comments about William’s ‘friend’. But I think that the media gatekeepers are also invested in keeping the rumours under the lid and preserving William’s image

    • Harper says:

      Could be the royal reporters were anxiously waiting for FF to bring up the affair, opening the door for them to cover it under the excuse that they were reviewing the book. Since that didn’t happen, why not find other ways to start getting the word out?

    • Sofia says:

      Well considering this article where he talks about how connected he is, I think his thoughts are influenced through the aristos. The aristos apparently don’t care for the royal family in general and it would make sense why they would dislike Meghan the most . Hence why Sykes doesn’t care for any of them but seems to have a particular dislike of Meghan.

      • windyriver says:

        I knew Tom Sykes didn’t like Meghan, but didn’t realize he came from such a privileged background. Could be he doesn’t like her because he knows she doesn’t give a sh*t about the aristocracy.

        I immediately thought of the end of Pretty in Pink, if anyone here remembers that movie. Molly Ringwald, a girl from the literal wrong side of the tracks, is involved with Andrew McCarthy, a boy (we’re talking HS) from a wealthy family. His close friend (James Spader) is constantly putting her down. At the end, McCarthy tells his friend: “That’s it! You buy everything, but you couldn’t buy her. She thinks you’re sh*t, and deep down, you know she’s right”.

      • Nic919 says:

        Hahaha. I thought of that too. Meghan didn’t beg for approval from the aristos like Kate does, and so they can’t control her because their approval means nothing to her.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      He definitely doesn’t like any of the younger royals. I think he and Richard Kay are alike in that regard. I’m super curious as to why he’s bringing up the affair now (and slyly highlighting its veracity through his discussion of sourcing and his own social connections).

      • L84Tea says:

        Could it be that the Sussex’s purchasing the house is the absolute final nail in the coffin? Like absolute 100% proof to the UK that they are not coming back. Could it be that they are now looking at William like “this is YOUR fault”, and are now going to punish him for driving away their gravy train?

  15. Alexandria says:

    Didn’t someone publicly tweet this was true and then deleted it?

    IIRC a commentator here also chimed in to say she’s within the circle or knows someone, and she also claimed this affair is true (of course, anyone could claim this under an avatar).

    • Becks1 says:

      Yes, we got a tweet that it was true, and that got deleted, and then we had confirmation of a media blackout on this story, and we got a story from Tom Sykes last year about how William’s lawyers were threatening to sue if anyone wrote about it.

      And yes, there was a commentator here who said that she knows the toffs (I don’t think she’s part of them, just knows them) and said that this is the worst kept secret in Norfolk. But like you said, anyone could claim that.

      There just continues to be just enough smoke to confirm that there is a fire.

      • Alexandria says:

        Oh yes there is smoke indeed. I’ve been waiting for the press to talk about William, not the Duchesses, not Harry. We shall wait for more? 😌

    • Belli says:

      Giles Core tweeted “Everybody knows about the affair, darling” in response to another journalist mentioning it. He deleted it shortly after.

    • Nic919 says:

      A few reporters also chimed in about it and the media blackout about it, but their tweets were deleted shortly after. There is a thread on twitter that tracks a lot of the now deleted tweets on this topic.

      It really should be a concern to the people in the UK that William can get a media blackout regarding a personal issue like this. Libel laws are strong enough to prevent falsehoods from being published and this isn’t a matter of national security so having the power to even ban the discussion of what is normally a trivial topic is a dangerous power indeed. And he’s not even king yet.

  16. Züri says:

    “My best scoops all seem to come from country house dinner parties, shooting weekends and my network of family, friends, and old school and university friends.”

    Cue my eyeroll, what an entitled tw•t (I mean this in the British sense, not the American that refers to women’s bodies).

  17. Digital Unicorn says:

    Its common knowledge that Willileaks and Harry have had a difficult relationship with Chuck over the years and that Chuck struggled to understand their public ‘emoting’. I read that to be more of a generational thing rather than him being a bad parent – he doesn’t understand where his sons are coming from and struggles to see their PoV. I see it in my own family with older family members.

    As for the Earls daughter bit – old news as it was reported at the time it was one of the toffs who leaked to the press.

    • Lowrider says:

      Regarding the relationship gossip Harry and Will have with their father, Tom Skyes wrote a follow up article stating that Harry and Charles have a great relationship.

    • Korra says:

      Maybe I misread, but I remember coming across an expose about Charles from the New Yorker a few years back that took a sympathetic angle on him explaining how he was always the odd duck of his immediate family. It seems Prince Phillip was a pretty unforgiving father towards Chuck when he was younger, perceiving him as weak. So I imagine Charles internalized this and feels the need to hide emotions as a way to appear outwardly more in charge and in control.

      • A says:

        @Korra, except the problem with Charles is that he expects a certain level of allowance with himself when it comes to his own emotions, but he looks down his nose at his own sons when they want the same. He’s complained about Philip his whole life, always with the idea that he should have had more understanding, loving parents, who cared about his emotional well-being. But he thinks his sons are embarrassing for actually living that way. He can’t have it both ways.

  18. VS says:

    Why doesn’t the RF stop working with the royal rota? why don’t they open their coverage to any press willing to cover them? wouldn’t that stop all of this nonsense?

    Gosh Meghan must have been tired of such BS; can you imagine any rational person who wouldn’t be? the CEO (the queen) is really incompetent!

    • Lowrider says:

      The rota knows their secrets and the RF members are deeply image conscious.

      • VS says:

        yeah but they should ask them to go to hell; let the royal rota publish what they want; they are tabloids! only certain type of people read and believe what tabloids publish

    • Tealie says:

      The Royal rota was put in place after Diana died to stop loads of paparazzi and press following them and to streamline the information that was being fed to the public. You think this little leak about the affair is bad but they have worse and MUCH worse.

  19. L84Tea says:

    Wow. If this doesn’t come off to William as “Come at me, bro”, then I don’t know what does. I’m really dying to know what set this off again. The leaky well for Sussex scoops drying up is my only guess. But I’m amazed at him putting it out there so plainly. From a gossip standpoint, I salute you Tom Sykes, you old dog.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yes, good way to look at it! Tom Sykes is dropping his pedigree while bringing up two juicy gossip tidbits – the affair, and the boys relationship with their father. He’s definitely daring William to do something about it.

      • Tealie says:

        The way he put his pedigree in there was amazing, he really said, ‘William you can do what you like, but I’m more connected and respected than you and I’ve got a support network of sources who are willing to go public with the story’, the namedrop even though still anonymous of an Early daughter showed that the turnip toffs really don’t give a fuck since 1) William probably knows who to unidentified to us ‘Earls daughter’ is. And 2) Tom likely got permission to use her identification and if he had exposed a source unpermissed it would likely endanger his other sources and people’s willingness to come foreward. I wonder who he is pissed off in that group 🙊🙊

    • S808 says:

      I think the RRs are deeply annoyed imo. Not only with the Sussexes but with the Cambridges too. They coordinated with the Cambridges to prop up Kate and cover up this affair thinking they’d be able to eat off the Sussexes for years but that took a very sharp left when the Sussexes peaced out. Now BM don’t control the narrative around H&M, get stories about them secondhand from American media and are stuck about writing about bathrooms (which aren’t juicy at all) while still propping up Kate, covering up this affair AND Andrew’s shit. They got the short end of the stick, they know it and they’re annoyed.

      • L84Tea says:

        BINGO!! I think that’s exactly what is going on. William has failed to deliver on his end of the bargain to keep this covered up. No more Sussex stories means all bets are off.

      • Becks1 says:

        And the British media is becoming a laughingstock every time they publish a story about H&M. the Independent had a headline about the bathrooms and all of the response were about Brexit or Andrew, etc. (and they weren’t from Sussex supporters either.) They look foolish for their obsession with this couple and they cant seem to help themselves.

    • Alexandria says:

      I definitely see this as threatening William.

      • Annie says:

        Me too. I also think that this story is so bad that if it’s verified it spells the end of the monarchy. Regardless of my opinions of the individuals involved, William is tolerated because he seems safe and boring compared to the dramatic antics of the Queen’s children. But if William is engaged in a sordid mess just like his dad, and has to issue some ham-faced apology to the public, people are going to scream “chuck them out.” I would be extraordinarily interested to find out just how high the stakes are behind the scenes; she might be completely complicit, but I bet there’s a lot of fear and plotting around even the barest possibility that Kate could bolt. If the happy Cambridge image collapses the Queen’s legacy is utterly destroyed.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Queen has destroyed any positive legacy she had by coddling and protecting her rapist son.

      • Annie says:

        @notasugerhere – completely agreed, it’s hard to get across in brief comments but that’s why I added “regardless of my opinion.” It’s unfortunate that the media often picks out the wrong story to focus on; the Queen’s protection of Andrew is disgusting.

      • Tessa says:

        I think there would be damage control if something comes back. Kate could play the ‘forgiving’ spouse and she loves William so much, he made a mistake and won’t hold it against him and give him Loving looks. But if William wants someone else and wants Kate out she would be out.

  20. Bren says:

    It’s interesting that Tom would write such a revealing article about his sources. I always liked reading the Daily Beast political commentary through the years, but I finally subscribed for the royal content. After a year of disappointing royal articles, I canceled my subscription in February.

    I’ve been waiting for the affair topic to make the rounds again. Despite William’s best effort to suppress the story, I don’t think it will ever go away. Now it’s just a matter of when the British tabloids will freely have at it.

  21. aquarius64 says:

    William hooks up with a Toff because he knows women from this social strata won’t run to the Fail et al and spill. Kate and the Midds got their start of karma by way of Tatler. The Rose trimming will eventually come out complete with receipts.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      And no Toff went to The Fail or other tabloids until Kate appeared to turn on Rose with the “phase-out” request.

    • Tealie says:

      No doubt, I’m sure William, David as well as Kate and Rose have signed an NDA against talking about it as well as the rota in exchange for exclusives and info against the Sussexes as a replacement.

  22. Lizzie says:

    Leaks about Cambridges have never come from the Sussex. The ffk did a great job exiling the only loyal family members he has. Did FF call William the calm and level headed brother? I guess smart was left out of the description on purpose.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      I agree with this. I think if/when William is King, he’s going to regret having not been loyal to his brother because he’s going to need that loyalty when he’s surrounded by vipers trying to make a name for themselves. It was such a major dumb move not supporting Harry and Meghan, I will never understand that level of insecurity.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Well, the Windsors have never been known or their smarts.

      • Tealie says:

        It’s actually crazy how short-term they are in their thinking, I honestly don’t know if Charles can go ahead with the slim down monarchy anymore i’ll probably say it was a lie and pretend I never said anything), because there is literally no available to do working royal duties. Harry, gone. Zara gone. Anne gone and likely too old, although I don’t doubt she might continue some as her own personal endeavours but not as a working royal. Peter, selling milk in China loll. Andrew gone. Foot sucker, gone. The York sisters gone (And likely wouldn’t mind not helping and sticking it to Kate, who they hate. Edward and Ford Fiesta, gone. They’re beyond fuuckeddd

  23. Sofia says:

    Okay everyone grab your tinfoil tiaras for this theory:

    My theory is that Sykes wants to do a whole piece about the Rose/William situation in the future (and I mean /future/. I don’t expect anything else other than this to come out if I’m honest. But then again, I didn’t even expect this article). So he’s letting everyone know where he gets his gossip (the toffs own circle), how connected he is to the aristos, how he only repeats gossip he’s heard at least 3 times and his family’s own royal connections. So when people inevitably say he’s got no “real sources” or he’s lying, he can point to this article as “proof” of his connections.

    *tinfoil tiara off*

    • What...now? says:

      I don’t think your theory qualifies as a “tinfoil tiara,” because to me this doesn’t seem far-fetched at all. I think you nailed it by saying he is basically laying the groundwork for when he spills some major tea. He’s already laid out his “bona fides” so people will trust his stories.

      Good call.

    • Jaded says:

      Good theory Sofia – Sykes is playing the long game really well. Just drops the occasional “tidbit” of information about his airtight connections and the alleged affair to keep it in circulation. Once England is fully out of the EU I think some real bombshells are going to be dropped.

      • Lady D says:

        Or he will wait for Charles coronation to drop the bomb. That would have a lot of impact worldwide, if Willie’s affair were to end up attached to Charles becoming king.

    • Likeyoucare says:

      Tom sykes is jealous of scooby’s Finding Freedom sales. Maybe he is writing a book right about now.

    • A says:

      Yup. Tom Sykes is really just establishing his bona fides here with this article, and the “sources.”

    • Tealie says:

      I agree the daily beast is going through some rough times and are starting to sell through paid subscriptions so I think this Might be one of the big leading sellers. I saw the head editor/owner of the daily beast awhile ago on Twitter asking what and why people subscribe to the daily beast, I think they know that this could be one of their biggest Easter eggs. They have been asking most of the writers to do a profile on themselves their sources and their information.

    • Tealie says:

      @sofia Yes! And he even said he doesn’t gossip unless it’s work, as to make sure it’s not just his own stories getting back to him. Which means each confirmation is from three COMPLETELY separated uninstigated sources.

  24. Marigold says:

    I hate a cheater. It makes me really despise William.

  25. Snuffles says:

    Oh, the Royal reporters are THISCLOSE to cracking. They are cut off from the Sussex’s. Getting out scooped by US outlets left and right. Meanwhile their tacit agreement to keep Will’s dirty little secrets, studiously pretending Prince Andrew isn’t an international incident about to blow up, and Coronavirus are killing their profits. The money is drying up and they’re wondering why they continue to sit on all of this explosive gossip when they could EASILY break the news and profit like crazy from it.

    • S808 says:

      They wanna spill so bad. The kiddies aren’t cutting it and everyone is over their coverage of H&M. The evening standard got chewed up on Twitter yesterday for their article about H&M’s bathrooms. They don’t get any exclusives from leakers about H&M. Harry has put down roots in America signifying that he’s not coming back anytime soon. They need a new target.

      • June-o says:

        Yes, that Evening Standard tweet was the canary in the coal mine. Totally ratioed with a paltry number of likes to responses and retweets. One reply calling on them to focus on Andrew instead got over 100k likes in a few hours. The tide has turned.

  26. Charfromdarock says:

    An affair is the type of story about the Cambridges that would generate clicks and revenue.

    They wanted all the attention and now they have it.

    William certainly has a type.

    • Lady D says:

      If there is karma, it will use the queen to throw William and his affair under a bus to protect her pedo son. That would be a great laugh.

  27. Lizzie says:

    William fighting so hard to keep this quiet tells me that Charles didn’t completely open the door for future monarchs/head of church to divorce. Legally yes, but he is only going to win the public over because it seems Camilla was the love of his life and he stuck with her and when he becomes king he will not have a living ex-wife.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yeah, they leaned in hard to the Charles/Camilla love story, the whole “he wanted to marry her but couldn’t” thing, even though that wasn’t how it happened. But its the kind of story that’s been repeated so many times that many people just accept it as the truth and its part of why Camilla has been accepted (I also just think age has something to do with it, a lot of the diehard Diana fans are getting older and the younger generation isn’t as invested in the “Diana was a perfect princess” fantasy.)

      I don’t think they could make the same work for William, especially if he’s having an affair with a member of the aristocracy who has no plans to divorce.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        IMHO, if Diana had lived, Charles would never had been able to marry a Camilla. As head of the Church of England, being a divorcee and being a widower is two very different things.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles was not Diana’s widower. Ever. He still was a divorced man. If he were a widower, he could not have been seen with Camilla while Diana was alive and would not have had to pay all that money to Diana and Diana would still have the titles including that HRH. Charles was planning to marry Camilla while Diana was still alive. Before DIana died there was a costly documentary about Camilla and she was set to appear with Charles at a fundraiser for Osteoporosis he also made it clear that she was his future when he had that very public lavish birthday party for her at Highgrove. It might have been more “sticky” and taken longer with two living ex spouses but it would have happened. CHarles did not spend all that money on Camilla PR for nothing. Charles and Diana were divorced. And it was recognized as divorce. Charles had to wait for his grandmother to pass on because she did not to see an C and C marriage in her lifetime. For a time it was spun that Charles was the “widower” then that quickly stopped because it was questioned by the media and by blogs. When DIana died she was not Charles’ wife but his ex wife. Charles would have married Camilla if Diana had been alive, and she would have remarried most likely. The divorce would have been recognized for both of them the marriage was dissolved in 1996.

    • notasugarhere says:

      40 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce. The Church has allowed divorced people to marry in the Church for nearly 20 years. Even that backwards institution, founded by a cheating-and-murdering king, is moving forward into modern times.

      If William wants to divorce Kate, he will. But he wants the PR upper hand when it happens. He doesn’t want it to be a result of tabloids writing about an affair he’s had. He’d want to make it look like, a year or two from now, he and Kate grew apart. Stress of their positions, married as friends, teenage romance lasting too long, they part amicably. The Middletons play ball or the royal machine rips open every Middleton secret and exposes it in the tabloids.

      As Becks1 pointed out yesterday, Charles would work with William on this. Duke of Cornwall title is automatic, Prince of Wales title has to be granted separately. Charles wasn’t granted the POW title until 1958, six years after his mother became Queen. He wasn’t formally invested as POW until 1969.

      Charles could hold off on giving William the Prince of Wales title until after a divorce from Kate. That way, Kate would keep the Cambridge title while any future wife would be HRH Princess of Wales.

      • TheOriginalMia says:

        @Nota, wouldn’t Kate get the Duchess of Cornwall title if William divorced her prior to his investiture as PoW? I can see that being problematic if that’s the case.

      • Lady D says:

        Tit for tat. The Middleton machine could expose 20 years worth of dirty secrets in that palace, e.g., Kate could tell the FBI where to pick up Andrew. It’s not like the old days where one could control what was printed. There are far too many ways to access news that don’t involve a newspaper, so the tabs couldn’t cover it up.

      • Sid says:

        Lady D, Kate and her family could threaten that but would they want to ruin things for George? Social standing seems to be very, very important to the Middletons and I don’t know if they would want to risk doing anything that could result in the BRF being such a laughingstock (more than they already are) or worse that by the time it’s George’s turn on throne, it’s all barely more than a joke.

      • notasugarhere says:

        If they divorce before QEII passes, Kate would be D of Cambridge.

        If they divorce after QEII passes but before William is POW, she would be D of Cambridge and Cornwall. That would lead to more confusion around Camilla’s title, so at a minimum Camilla would be Princess Consort.

        William and Kate/Carole have several things in common. One of which is, they think they are smarter than they really are. They think they are PR geniuses, but have no real idea how the game is played. W&K now being beholden to the RRs in exchange for keeping the affair quiet is one example. The Tatler article the Midds thought would be pro-Kate and pro-Carole is another.

        What little the Middletons have on William pale in comparison to what the Windsors have on the Middletons. Their paid contacts with paps and tabloids, what they may have done against Harry and Meghan. Talk of royal lawyers putting pressure on the nation of France to drop charges against Pippa and her (alleged) rapist FIL. James and the Nazi party supplies, plus the facts of his shady business. All of Gary’s shady business, the Middleton’s mortgage, PP being offshore. Middletons vs. Royal Machine? Royal Machine wins hands down.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I read some really “below the line” non-reliable gossip that Camilla may be titled “The Duchess of Lancaster” when Charles ascends the throne. Who knows???

      • Lady D says:

        @Sid, I forgot about George. So far he’s an innocent little boy. Who knows what his future is.

      • A says:

        It all depends hugely on how Kate + the Midds handle the press. I think, if Kate and William ever got to a point of divorcing, William would immediately see the details of his affairs strewn out in the press the next day. I could see the Midds gaining the upper hand if they really lean heavily on making a thoroughly damning comparison to Charles.

        It wouldn’t be hard, since William is rumoured to not be a nice person behind closed doors either.
        William, who is willful, petty, stroppy, jealous, and, according to some, really rather reactionary in a lot of his political views, which are quite right leaning, would come off pretty badly if the truth were ever printed about any of it. He doesn’t have any of the redeeming qualities that Charles does either, since he does a fraction of the work that Charles did by the same age. And I doubt very much if he has a Camilla. I’m fairly certain that he’s a fleeting affair sort of person, and he burns through his passions quickly. Spun the right way, imagine how that would make William, the future King, look. He was supposed to be better than Charles, but he’s not even the same, he’s an even bigger cad than even CHARLES was. What would Diana think!? Etc.

        And I can’t see him divorcing Kate before the Queen passes. The Queen and her courtiers want this marriage to work. They need William to have a successful marriage after Charles. Once she’s gone though, Charles is not going to have that same outlook. I imagine he’d be quite happy to throw William under the bus, so that he can boost himself with the coverage.

        The other issue with all of this is whether or not Kate would get very sympathetic coverage. And I doubt she would. I think William would expose her and the Midds head on if it came to it, just as she would to him. He would make sure everyone knew she was a social climber, who only married him for the title. I could see Kate refuting this by saying no one else wanted to marry William, and portraying herself as a loyal, selfless soldier for the institution of the monarchy, who sacrificed her happiness and self worth to preserve its image by staying married to William. But the coverage could go any way, I’m just spitballing and writing my own fanfic here, lmao.

        What I think is more likely is that we’re probably going to get some fluffy articles in the upcoming years about how W&K have hit some bumps in their marriage, but it’s okay! It’s all okay! They’ll probably try to spin it as another oh-so-modern thing they’re doing, by actually talking and working through their marriage. It’ll be followed by a very cloying article abt how all is forgiven, and they’ve weathered the storms, and its all good.

        But again, y’know, I’m just spitballing and writing my own fanfic. We’ll have to see how it plays out.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Any Middleton PR strategy would rely on the public having sympathy for Kate or the Midds. They don’t. They see Kate never worked, did nothing but stalk a prince for a decade with the help of her stage mother.

        No matter what they might try, William comes out on top. Especially if he claims he was vulnerable because of his mother’s death and the Middletons took advantage of him.

      • A says:

        @nota, they could generate sympathy from the public though. That’s what I’m saying. They might not have it now, but they could very well get it based on how they’re playing it in the media. Variables change, public empathy can be changed depending on how the information is presented to them. Nobody predicted that the press would hype up Kate to such a degree, after Meghan married into the family, or that she would have such a hard fall, after the Tatler article. Life comes at you fast.

        The Midds also have a huge advantage in another way, which is that they don’t need public approval to survive. The monarchy does. William does. If Kate being Queen is no longer on offer, the Midds don’t have to care about endearing themselves to the public. Their lifestyles aren’t bankrolled by the tax payer dime. They would have nothing to lose at all by being reviled by the public.

        The same can’t be said for William. People have to like him enough to want to keep him around as a monarch. And the truth is that he’s not exactly adored by the public. People like him just fine, respect him as heir, and tolerate the rest. But he’s not loved. He doesn’t have a great deal of public support to fall back on to tide over periods of unpopularity.

        If he got a divorce, what would we be left with? A single, balding penis-with-teeth, who’s rumoured to express some fairly right-wing Tory views behind closed doors, who has been described as rather entitled, thoughtless, with an inflated sense of self-importance. What happens if we add unfaithful cad on top of that?

        The monarchy needs to be liked by its people, otherwise it will stop existing. As such, the monarchy will never do anything to knowingly jeopardize their approval from the public. William might want to get out of his marriage with Kate, but would not do that if it came at the potential cost of him being King.

        But you’re also right. William can do whatever he wants about his life. If he wants to divorce Kate, he can do that, regardless of the consequences. But the thing is, there will be consequences, seen and unforseen. It’s a question of if he can bear with those in order to get what he wants. My guess is that he can’t, and the fact that he can’t is why he won’t bother upsetting his current set up. But I can see it from your perspective too. We know he does what he wants, and doesn’t bother thinking about the outcome, and in this case, it wouldn’t be any different.

    • Korra says:

      William also invested too much capital with the RR to make Kate look good, especially in comparison to Meghan. Not only would the details of him working behind the scenes to wage a smear campaign against the Sussexes get out, he would look awfully disingenuous propping up a woman he didn’t even love that much.

      Theoretically, Kate could be turned into a lamb to the slaughter if the RF had no value for her any longer, but William would also not be winning in the court of public opinion if he divorced her.

      • notasugarhere says:

        If he played #PoorWilliam manipulated by the Middletons, he would win. People do not like the Middletons. They’ll have no problem believing Diana’s Golden Child, shattered by his mother’s death, fell prey to cunning social climbers who destroyed his life.

        Kate has done nothing to endear herself to the general public. Big mistake.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate isn’t Diana and even when Diana divorced Charles some in the media attacked her. The media will turn on Kate if there is a divorce with ease. She doesn’t have any of the public goodwill that Diana had.

      • AMM says:

        Look at how much blame is put on Meghan instead of Harry. William could totally turn the press against Kate, play the victim and claim it was her smearing his brother that broke his heart and destroyed his family. Pre-Meghan, Kate’s press ranged from bad to ok. Her family’s was worse. All the bricks are there to lay the foundation for divorcing Kate.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I do not think Kevin & Karen will ever divorce. I think that after Louis goes to boarding school, Karen will retire from public life due to “health reasons”. The Cambridges will then begin to lead even more separate lives than they are already leading. IMPO. Kevin really has nothing to gain in a divorce as long as Karen agrees to let him lead his private life they way he wants to lead it as he appears to be doing now.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt William would be willing to face all the work of being POW or King without someone at his side, if only to coddle him through every event. It is too inconvenient if nothing else. That’s why Edward and Sophie were trotted out as the ones to attend all the foreign royal weddings – because Charles and Andrew were both divorced.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Attending all the foreign royal weddings”; Where do I apply for this job? LOL! LOL

  28. Scollins says:

    Marchioness of Cholomondeley sounds like a character in an SNL skit. Try saying it out loud while pinching your nose.

  29. jbyrdku says:

    That makes me feel a little sorry for her. She spent all that time, her most of her entire life really, waiting around for William and he still cheats on her.

    • notasugarhere says:

      He cheated on her for 10 years; she stood back and accepted it. She knew she was marrying a cheater and she did it anyway.

      • A Guest says:

        Will cheated on his girlfriend before Kate, with Kate “allegedly”.

      • A says:

        @A Guest, oh it wasn’t with Kate, or at least, it wasn’t just with Kate. It was with Arabella Musgrave. That girl told William that he had to choose between Arabella or her, and I forget what William did after that, lol.

      • Cari says:

        He was seeing Charley Massey birch, cheated with Kate. Then later over a drinking game she asked William if he’d um… done stuff.. with Kate and the answer was yes so she dumped him. Later, when appearing on stage, she was into amateur dramatics, she was delivering lines about a man and another woman, when she pronounced “the minx….” She looked directly at Kate. It made A scene.

    • MF1 says:

      He despises her because she’s not a Toff. She’s beneath him. She also has no personality, no passion or drive, nothing going for her to hold his interest. (Good looks only last so long!)

      It’s terribly sad that she doesn’t have the self-esteem to leave him and build a life with someone who likes and respects. But she’s done this to herself, so *shrugs*.

    • TeamMeg says:

      English Kings and Future Kings always keep mistresses—this is practically royal protocol! The Queen/Future Queen produces heirs to secure her position and wealth, and puts up with the rest. I doubt that going in, Kate had any delusions about the kind of man she was marrying, or what she was signing up for. Meanwhile, she is fulfilling her filthy rich role keenly, with 3 cute-as-a-button kids to enjoy when they are young, and who hopefully won’t hate her when they grow up. Even if the little darlings do turn on her one day, even if Wills divorces her, she’ll always be loaded. Coarse, mean and loaded. When she chose to treat Meghan poorly, she lost a great opportunity to rise as a person and a celebrity. That’s on Kate, nobody else.

      • L4frimaire says:

        I’m not sure I have much sympathy for Kate because she’s got a lot of flaws that bother me, but I will say that what stands out to me is that this happened so soon into her marriage when they are still young with very small children. It’s very disrespectful how indiscreet Will is. If this affair had taken place with a 48 y.o William/Kate, it’s still bad but marriages at that stage go through things. It just seems so selfish and thoughtless. Anyway, what stands out to me is Sykes source. These Upper crust people are insular and callous. He circulates among that aristocratic bubble, which also explains his contempt for Meghan. I still remember how he called her Vogue issue an embarrassing flop. Jerk. Anyway, there was always truth to this story but why is he bringing it up again?

      • A says:

        @L4frimaire, is he indiscreet though? This is the first we’ve heard anything about an affair he’s possibly having after his marriage. He’s kept that shit on tight lockdown for years after he married Kate, bc he knows it’ll make him look like a dog, and he cares very very deeply about his reputation. There was a small whiff of this, and he threatened lawsuits. It could be that he’s just discreet with the press, but doesn’t care to hide anything with his own group of friends, or in front of Kate.

      • Tealie says:

        Replying to A, this is NOT the first time we have heard about an affair if you look back on lipstick alley and other forums, you will find there have been numerous spillings throughout the years about Williams cheating habits which kate has stomached. Most notably with Jecca Craig (one of the other women he wanted to marry instead of Kate), although most of them are very brief one night stands. The reason the Rose affair sticks out, is because of WHO she is and the fact it was a MUCH longer, more intimate affair.

      • A says:

        @Tealie, a little bit different from this instance though. First, those were rumblings before William got married, when it was “fine” for him to have his dalliances and mess around. Even if he was cheating, it didn’t have the same impact as it would if he had been married.

        After marriage is another story though. We didn’t have anything come out then, just all that stuff from before marriage to ruminate over. We knew that William was in touch with his exs with whom he’d been cheating on Kate with. But nothing quite like the Rose Hanbury story.

        Also, how do people know that it was a much longer, more intimate affair? I was always under the impression that they did fuck around, on and off, for a year or more, but it was just fun hookups for people bored in their marriage lol. Why do people think it was more intimate?

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Eh, I don’t. She could leave him if she really wanted to be done with it all. Obviously that option comes with its own challenges, but if she were really *that* miserable, then I think we’d at least be hearing whispers of separation. Clearly the prospect of being FFQC is too appealing to give up, so she’s going to accept his behavior no matter how appalling it is.

      • notasugarhere says:

        That was part of the talk going around. William hoping to set Kate aside, formal separation leading to divorce in a few years. Harry and Meghan leaving would mess up that plan, which could add to William being incandescent with rage about it all.

    • Tessa says:

      I would have felt sorry for Kate except for how she treated Harry and Meghan. She could have denied the “crying ” story for instance, but didn’t.

      • A says:

        I would feel sorry for Kate, if I wasn’t certain that she knew exactly what she wanted from this marriage, and is fine putting up with everything else.

        I don’t particularly know what it is about Rose Hanbury boning William that angered her enough to try and freeze her out, which is a huge, disproportionate step to try and take. Maybe the details of that would make Kate seem a bit more sympathetic, but I don’t know.

        As it stands now, there’s nothing to distinguish this from any other affair William has probably had, aside from the fact that we know about it. She was fine with all the rest of it, for all this time. So I don’t think she needs us to feel sorry for her anyway.

      • L84Tea says:

        I think part of Kate’s attempt to phase Rose out has to do with timing. At the time all of that was going down, Kate was riding a high. She was being propped up in all the papers as the best thing to ever happen to Britain and to the monarchy, and I think she believed every word of it (remember, the tatler articles had not happened yet). I believe Kate truly thought she had achieved the Queen Bee status among all the toffs that she’d been chasing, and in doing so, tried her hand at knocking the other Queen Bee off her pedestal. But it backfired spectacularly in her face.

      • Tealie says:

        A says, yeah I think what is different about this one is the fact that they are such close neighbours and the history of ANIMASHAUN with Charles and Camilla as well as the fact that it was with Kates friend

    • kelleybelle says:

      No one held a gun to her head … save for mother, maybe. There are really three people in that marriage.

  30. Marjorie says:

    So, in the VIP section of H&M’s wedding congregation, on Meghan’s side, front row, they invited QEII’s horse manager. I forget his name, but he was there with his wife who is a daughter of the Earl of Carnavon. Don’t know how I remember this, I guess I thought it was odd that they were in the expensive seats, they must be close to the RF.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Sideways attempt at that old chestnut? Philip is Andrew’s father. The rumour was about the previous Earl of Carnavon, known as Porchie. The one who died in 2001.

      QEII often values horses above people. Anyone who makes her horses win is considered valuable. John Warren makes horses win, he’s in demand all over the world for his horse breeding knowledge. He was also openly friendly and welcoming to Meghan when they both attended Ascot a month after the wedding.

      Jake Warren, one of the sons of Carolyn Herbert (Porchie’s third child) and John Warren? He’s close friends with Harry. His daughter was one of the bridesmaids at Harry and Meghan’s wedding, as she’s one of Harry’s goddaughters.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nota – I don’t think she was implying that. I think she was just saying that the wife is the daughter of an earl who is apparently close to the RF – so would probably have heard if William was cheating on Kate (so could be Sykes’ source.)

      • Marjorie says:

        Yeah, what Becks says, I think she could be a source. I don’t care who Andrew’s sire was.

        I mean like the Spencers didn’t sit in VIP seats (I think) but this couple did? These royals, so weird.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Could be. I’m thinking Jake Warren was one of the friends Harry made sure to introduce to Meghan during the courtship. As so much of that took place at Windsor, running into Jake’s father and being friendly with him wouldn’t be a surprise.

    • SofiasSideEye says:

      Oh, you think the wife might be the source of the turnip toff affair story? I’ll have to look that name up somewhere. Thanks.

    • A says:

      Is that John Warren, Jake Warren’s father?

  31. Esme says:

    Honestly, every time I see those pics I simply want to know who designed Rose’s dress. It’s beautiful and I want it. (also, a woman named Rose wearing a dress with embroidered flowers, but non a flower print, it’s lovely and subtle and elegant – so full fashion points to the Marchioness)
    I think most people kinda believe the affair happened, but also most people do not care much? I mean, if you’re not a super fan who buys the “perfect family” pr, it’s not really surprising, right?
    Even if it’s confirmed, Kate just has to say “we worked through our differences, we love our children” and it’s over, basically.
    And Rose might not want have a Camilla-style notoriety to the nation at large, so the rumor will probably never be confirmed. The aristos have already put Kate in her place – mission accomplished – and now they’ll circle the wagons and shut up.
    I think Tom Skies is just trying to stay relevant, justify his position to his employer (I have connections!). With blogs and SM, I think a flimsy profession like “royal reporter” is truly at risk.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Rose’s gown is 2016 Valentino.

    • Snuffles says:

      My gut tells me that Will has had WAY more affairs than just Rose and that the RRs were sitting on ALL of in exchange for access and dirt on the Sussexs. Now that well has run dry and now they’re itching to go in on the Cambridges for clicks and profit.

      • Becks1 says:

        It’s definitely not just Rose. I said last year when that random story came out about William working out at the gym after dropping the kids off at school that it seemed someone was trying to drop very strong hints – “he says he’s going to the gym to work out but really he’s……”

        The press is sitting on some big stuff related to the Cambridges.

      • Nic919 says:

        There were references to a banker and a lawyer In London when the story first came out, and so it is unlikely to just be Rose.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Those were weird hints, weren’t they Becks1? Especially as the Kate/Carole team (including Tanna on twitter) keep insisting Kate is rushed off her feet doing all the school runs, activities, and doing all the heavy lifting of child care herself. Never mind the three nannies.

        I figured that story about working out with mums was cover for any pictures tabloids got of William with other women. Oh no, they’re just friends, fellow parents at the school.

        Nic919, I remember that talk, and that it was thought to be serious. In that, William was considering moving on from Kate for the new person.

        I don’t remember which poster on here theorized Rose was just cover for multiple William affairs. That Rose and Rocksavage were opening their house up, as the Van Cutsems did, for William to do his straying.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nota I don’t think I was the first one but I remember mentioning that a year ago – that the affair wasn’t with Rose, but with someone she knew and she provided the house for it – that’s why she wasn’t bothered by the story, because she knew it wasn’t her, and David Rocksavage wouldn’t care anyway, but they kept mum because it was to protect someone else. And that’s also why William freaked out, because he didn’t want there to be too much digging and for someone to find out who he was REALLY sleeping with – which then leads you to think that whoever he WAS sleeping with (or still is) is for some reason a bigger deal than Rose Hanbury – something makes it more serious/significant.

      • Becks1 says:

        Also whenever we have these discussions I fall down the rabbit hole of the original Rose Hanbury posts, and it is interesting because at first most of us didn’t think it was an affair (I think the closest theory at the time that was deemed “Credible” was that Rose had made a pass at William and he turned her down but Kate found out) but as soon as that damn Richard Eden article came out we were like, huh. So it is an affair.

      • CourtneyL says:

        I agree. Unless it’s some grand love affair (and those mostly took place when divorce was unthinkable) cheaters in this world don’t cheat with just one person.

      • A says:

        There was something else about a very beautiful, very intelligent lady working in the “finance sector” who lives in London, who William has been having dinners with at her place for a while.

      • Lady D says:

        How many times do you think William the dick told Kate he was thinking about moving on with someone else? He really strikes me as the type that would enjoy saying that to her.

  32. dawnchild says:

    While a part of me feels sorry for Kate, I really wonder how much she loves William as a person and for himself. If Harry was the heir, would she have turned herself inside out to pursue and keep him? I think yes, because nothing questionable that William has done seems to be enough to cross her boundaries. So that really says it’s about the position and the money…
    In which case, I think she’s certainly earning them, and not much else. Apart from her kids I suppose. In a way, I pity her deeply. And what a great set of values to pass on to your kids.

    Now if William were to truly walk away from the crown (somehow he seems less able to do so than ever before, since he really has nothing to fall back on) then I think she might want a comfortable, rich divorce.

  33. February-Pisces says:

    Ok there are so many thing to say. Firstly thank you Tom from bringing this up again, please let’s not let this cheating story die down. Siting his source was a great move because it shows that people in those circles are actually talking about it, and it isn’t a rumour started by Meghan/Sussex squad, which was the only thing lamebridge stans were holding on to.

    It’s interesting that Tom is the second toff to try and take out the Keenbridges, the first being the toffs at Tatler. I think there is some sort of coup going on in the toff set to out the Cambridge’s and put them in their place, especially Kate. I don’t think they are very popular so it must be extremely nauseating for people who actually know them and know how awful they are to see them being called ‘saints’ by the British media. If I knew someone was an absolute asshole and the whole world though they were wonderful, I would hope they would get exposed too.

    Anyway why has Tom said this now, and in a very matter of fact way. He didn’t even dance around it? What happened to willies threatening lawsuit? Is this a warning shot? It’s time for Willie to pay up or else. I actually think Tom may be sat on actual proof which he is using as leverage.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “please let’s not let this cheating story die down”

      “Rose Who?”

      I have tried to keep it going at every opportunity presented!!! LOL! LOL!

      • L84Tea says:

        I have too–Williams’s stupidity is a thing of beauty. I immediately thought of you when I saw this post today. Rose Who? is back and, oh please, let it be here to stay…

      • Nic919 says:

        I saw the Sykes story online yesterday and thought of you as well.

    • Lady D says:

      Someone said the toffs were outraged that Kate and her mother had the temerity to run a genuine blue blood prince out of the country. Perhaps they are starting to express their displeasure?

      • Tealie says:

        Interesting I would say yes, but Harry was never really part of them anyway so I doubt they are phased. They all know that family is absolutely insane and rotten with jealousy to its core (even more than them lol) which is why none of them want to marry into the Windsor klan, I think for the turnip toffs it’s very expected. Sykes being able to label one of his sources however shows that they are PISSED and wants William to know about it, because William likely knows who these people are. He has definitely done something to them (or Kate) and overexerted his power.

      • A says:

        I doubt it. Remember what that absolute cow, Colin Tennant’s wife, said about Meghan? “We expected they’d only be married around three years.” I don’t think they care that Harry’s gone. They’ll be happy if he comes back alone, so they can say, “We told you so,” but otherwise? I don’t think they concern themselves with this stuff.

    • morrigan01 says:

      Will can’t sure an American publication over “human rights” because that whole thing falls under the EU, and the US, of course, isn’t a part of the EU. Plus the fact that William is a public figure means that such talk is fair game from US-based publications because it falls under public intrest.

      That is why all the articles that talk about the “rumor” of the affair on The Daily Beast are still up and have never been taken down. Sykes’ isn’t blocked or muzzled like his colleagues who write for UK publications are. Not only was this a warning shot, but I’d also bet Sykes is trying to position himself to be the person who first is able to talk about it in any detail without the threat of a lawsuit or any threat of it being taken down.

  34. candy says:

    The daughter of an Earl is actually a pretty specific clue. Lady Laura Meade?

    • Becks1 says:

      I thought it was a specific detail to drop. It goes back, in my mind, to what L84Tea said above – that this is a direct challenge to William. He’s reminding William that he knows, he’s basically telling him who the source is, AND he’s saying that she told him at a dinner party – i.e. it was gossip fodder, I’m sure she told more than Tom Sykes.

      I feel like Lady Laura Meade would definitely know what was going on, whether she would tell Tom Sykes is a different story since they are so close to the Cambridges.

      • candy says:

        I always felt like Lady Laura’s husband, James, was pretty flirty with Kate going back to the early days. Makes me wonder. However, it does seem unlikely she would go to the press after all these years. None of the van cutsem brides are daughters of earls, so I am wracking my brain. They definitely have a million society friends, so I’d have to dig through all the wedding pics.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Neither are the van Straubenzee brides daughters of a Earl.

      • ABritGuest says:

        When the Tatler CTG piece went awry I remember reading that Kate snubbing Prince Harry in the CW service& any sense Middletons helped drive a blood royal prince AND a blue blood Spencer out of the country wouldn’t hadn’t gone down well in aristo circles. Maybe this shot is continuation of that. Plus I feel Sykes really doesn’t like the Wales brothers so wouldn’t mind needling William a bit

    • Elizabeth says:

      There are almost two hundred earls in England. Idk how specific it is.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Lady Amelia Windsor, daughter of George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews????

        Lady Amelia Windsor is a big favorite of Tatler and very much in the Tatler crowd.

      • CourtneyL says:

        @BayTampaBay Oh, for it to be an actual member of the royal family would be incredibly juicy. And like you said, she *is* the daughter of an Earl.

      • A says:

        @Bay, she’s a bit young though, to be running around in Tom Sykes’ crowd, right?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @A – I would say yes but the titled aristocrats and wealthy landed gentry invite the younger generation to their weekend country house parties all time if they are single.

        Do not forget that there is a 20+ year age difference between Rose Hanbury and David Rocksavage.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        David Rocksavage – Born 1960
        George Windsor – Born 1962
        Tom Sykes – born 1974
        Rose Hanbury – born 1984
        Amelia Windsor – born 1995

        There is plenty of overlap in the titled aristocracy and wealth landed gentry generations attending country house parties and shoots at grand estates. I could see all the people I listed above knowing each other well to be invited to the same country house party for a three-day shoot.

      • A says:

        @Bay, that’s true. The explanation for that in the tabs was that Rose Hanbury’s parents are “so modern”, and that their kids have always been around more grown-ups than they have been around people their own age. So they’re “at home” with the older crowd, which is why Rose is suited so well to be David Rocksavage’s wife.

        Me, personally, I think it’s one of William’s aunts on his mother’s side who spilled the beans. Either Jane Fellowes or Sarah McCorquodale. Both daughters of Earl Spencer, both in a position to know what’s going on.

    • HeyJude says:

      That would be a special kind of betrayal since Laura Meade’s one of Louis’ godparents.

    • Carrie says:

      Any one of Earl Spencer’s children. They are W & H cousins and so could artlessly be dropping a comment about cousin Wills. I am sure I read somewhere that W is not close to the Spencer family but that Harry is.

  35. Dani says:

    I honestly feel really bad for Kate. William is a dog, Rose is a dog, everyone constantly bringing this up and throwing it in her face is disgusting. She’s future Queen Consort and has to be on her best behavior 24/7 and probably can’t even defend herself throughout this entire debacle.

    • Lowrider says:

      LMAO!

      Sure.

      Will is a dog, Rose is a dog and Kate is complicit.

      Kate could get some self respect but she’s not interested in upsetting her status.

    • Lady D says:

      You mean she’s getting a small taste of what she put Meghan through, for three years?
      p.s., If her behaviour in church on CW Day was her on her best behaviour…

    • Lizzie says:

      And Kate knows where the door is. She makes a decision to stay everyday and she has the financial resources to do as she pleases. I personally think her mother flat out told her long ago to expect affairs.

      • Annie says:

        If I were Kate I’d be very nervous about upsetting the monarchy. As I said above, if the happy Cambridge family image collapses the Queen’s legacy collapses. There are a number of people who depend on the status quo for their livelihoods, and if Kate rebelled she might find herself in a very bad situation. Perhaps that accounts for part of the strained and miserable look she has in so many situations. In a sense it should be easy to leave, but in another sense she could be afraid she’d never see her children again.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Queen has destroyed any positive legacy she had with her support of her criminal son Andrew.

        If W&K divorce? Other than a handful of Kate stans, no one would care. 40 percent of people in the UK divorce.

      • Tessa says:

        I read that she told Chelsy to expect Harry to cheat. Kate speaking from experience no doubt.

      • A says:

        @nota, I don’t know, it depends on how the Cambs spin their divorce to the media. They’ve banked their popularity on portraying themselves as the perfectly normal, happy, middle-class, Little England family. I imagine that if the divorce happens, they will do everything they can to prevent any news of William cheating from leaking out to the press. William is the Good One, while Charles is the Adulterous Cad. If William also winds up being a let down in the eyes of the public? Eh. That matters a lot.

      • notasugarhere says:

        If he goes the route of ‘Evil Middletons manipulated the grieving son of Diana’? William wins.

        Carole gets what she wants in the end – her descendant on the throne. If that means Kate doesn’t become consort, so what? Carole’s ultimate aim has been met.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      I used to feel this way about Kate and in fact I was certain that Meghan and Kate given the fact that their position is so unique would develop a solid work friendship. Little by little that was blown when I watched the treatment of Meghan played out and Kate not seeming to lift a finger to assist. When she didn’t contradict the Meghan making Kate cry stories, consistently repeating outfits close together when Meghan was being blasted for clothing cost when that was not Kate’s usual M.O. Then the plane stunt truly made me see her in a different light, so when she CUT Meghan at the CW celebration I knew I was correct in thinking that Kate is a horrible person. I don’t feel badly for her, she would do it all again if she was promised a prominent place in their entitled little world.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Kate would have had all the sympathy and support in the world if only she didn’t get her hands dirty. She has accumulated so much bad karma I don’t think I’ll ever sympathise with her over anything. Willie ain’t shit and neither is rose. I don’t feel sorry for any of them, he made the choice to marry a woman who was only interested in a title, she chose to accept the title and be cheated on. She took part in a bullying hate campaign against another woman, without giving AF about her or her unborn baby. Kate isn’t fighting to save her marriage, she’s fighting to save her ‘position’.

      • Nic919 says:

        This is it. Kate can get a divorce and come out quite well. She’s staying for ego reasons and while William is the jerk for cheating, she’s condoning it by staying.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She’s always condoned it and accepted it in exchange for position and titles. That doesn’t gain her sympathy with the public.

    • A says:

      @Dani, meh. She knew what she was signing up for. I have never had that sentiment towards her before, and I don’t mean it in a bad way, but it’s the truth. She will never speak up. She made that choice when she decided to be with William. She will stay silent until she’s achieved what she set out to do, which is become Queen.

    • Tealie says:

      Promise you I don’t give a single fuck. Meghan couldn’t defend herself either and didn’t have the media or a family on her side and Kate didn’t give a fuck and In fact kept slinging the mud even when she was pregnant AND after they had left. If you lie down with dogs you get fleas hunny.

  36. Beech says:

    Why did the Chumleys go to church same as the royals? Was that some sort of set up?

    • Becks1 says:

      They live in the same area, so I would not be surprised if that is their usual church. But the whole “lets go to church together when there will be photographers around” was definitely a set up of some sort, I’m not sure who the message was meant for – the press or Kate – but it was a message. She tried to phase out Rose and failed miserably, as evidenced by that appearance.

      • Harper says:

        I really thought we’d get more analysis out of that awkward church walk but as it happened, two days later, Sussexit broke, and the Rose/Will/Kate promenade faded away. Remember, Wills knew that Harry was trying to step back and he knew it would soon blow up in the media. I think Wills thought it was good timing to appear with Rose then because even if it got tongues wagging, he knew it’d be buried under the upcoming Harry & Meghan storm. Maybe he even talked Kate into agreeing to do it by telling her that if she appeared with Rose then, it wouldn’t have legs since he was already leaking to Wooten about Sussexit and Will knew for a fact it was going to blow up that week.

    • Julia K. says:

      Keeping your friends close but the enemy even closer. Kate’s idea?

    • Maria says:

      I think so. And I think it was most likely orchestrated by William so people would shut up. Why would Kate initiate that when even palace officials were confirming she and Rose were no longer friends?

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t recall any palace official going on record stating Kate and Rose were no longer friends. I doubt they ever were friends, but a Palace official on record about ‘no longer friends’? I’d be very surprised if that happened.

      • Maria says:

        Oh, it was in some publication – a small aside, something about palace officials confirming they weren’t friends. Nothing like a statement. Of course, it could have been invented, lol. Anyway, I think my point still stands- if the narrative is that they aren’t friends, why would Kate be the one in charge of orchestrating that PR move? Going along with it as ordered, yes, but I doubt it was her idea.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The overall theme was, the Queen ordered it. As in, I don’t care which bedrooms you are in, you WILL all walk nicely to church together and play nice.

      • Maria says:

        That’s what I heard and read (here and elsewhere), but I feel like the Queen maybe thought the matter was settled when she gave Kate the Royal Victorian Order as a reward for putting up with it (I remember the reporters on Twitter being massively frustrated that they couldn’t even mention Rose’s presence at the banquet because of William’s gag orders) – I didn’t feel like anyone was still really talking about it by the time of the church walk (though I could be wrong) – it felt like maybe William being paranoid because he likely is still carrying on said affair, but of course it is entirely likely that maybe they were being children behind the scenes and the Queen really did order it. And on the other hand, Rose doesn’t seem like the type of woman who feels she needs to perform a PR stunt like that out of insecurity (or at William’s ordering), but obeying the Queen’s command in that circumstance makes sense.

  37. Valiantly Varnished says:

    All I can do is cackle in karma

    • notasugarhere says:

      As someone else wrote on here months ago. Karma may arrive late, but it is always on time.

  38. Beech says:

    There was a picture of the Chumleys, yes, I will spell as pronounced, with Mike and Carole, yes? How does one even begin to decipher such between the lines photo ops?! Perhaps a “there’s nothing to see here folks”?

    • A says:

      Nah. The posh toff rulebook states that infidelity is perfectly fine, but rudeness is absolutely intolerable. Which is why Rose took it so badly when Kate tried to freeze her out. That’s simply not done. You smile and bear on, and you never behave ungraciously in public. That’s why the Chumleys will stand around for a photo-op with the Middletons. It’s nothing sinister, just an example of how the aristocrats do things.

  39. Maria says:

    Cambridge stans are frightening (and usually Trump supporters, so that makes sense I suppose). The vehement defiance that their marriage is anything but fairy tale is scary. Their minds will convolute into so many loops to excuse and brush off obvious evidence you can almost see the gears smoking. And then if all else fails, it’s “GET A LIFE! It’s obvious they are so happy and in love!”
    I’ve been told a number of things on various pages on IG – “Rose and Kate are still friends and it’s a lie”; “William and Kate always brush these rumors off because they’re so happy and in love”; “Any reporters hinting at it have admitted they made it up/apologized for lying”; “William wouldn’t ever cheat because of what happened to his mother”; “No one would do that to our Future Queen”, and so forth. Whatever you say, darlings.

    • Lizzie says:

      I agree Maria, they seem fueled by hatred. I like gossip and I feel like there has been a great injustice done but I am not so invested in H&M that I personally feel hatred toward anyone. One of the anti- meghan blogs I use to occasionally browse is seething with really awful references that make me uncomfortable so I haven’t clicked on it since January.

      • Maria says:

        It’s horrifying! You can disagree with someone and still be rational. They act like she murdered their child; I suppose she did in a way – she murdered the image of the goofy but dim Harry who loved Kate “like the sister he never had” and was too irresponsible but adored his “rational, just, and calm” brother William and had no problem being their third wheel– of course this Harry never existed except in their minds, and I suppose that’s what makes them the angriest. The idea that they might not be experts at what’s happened behind the scenes (I won’t either – nobody knows for sure, although the evidence can illuminate a lot) just will never sink in.

    • Nic919 says:

      William treats Kate poorly in public for all to see and you don’t even need to bring in any talk of affairs. Most self respecting women would not tolerate being treated with disdain the way he does to her and that applies to people in long term relationships more than the rest. A partner who respects the other partner would not be so dismissive of his spouse like William is always seen to be with Kate. I often wonder if these people defending them have ever been in healthy respectful relationships because it’s not normal.

      • Maria says:

        Exactly. He NEVER looks at her unless forced to, and always looks bored or doubtful. They are like teenaged cousins in public. It is so weird.

      • Andrea says:

        Agreed on how they look at one another–I can’t imagine any passion every being ignited between. However, that one time during the Olympics she seemed excited with him and I was like oh that must have been how one of those children was produced, but otherwise..

      • A says:

        I think they defend them because they want to see what they want to see, and turn a blind eye to the rest. They’d rather look at the PR work, fill in the gaps with their own imagination, and swoon over an idealized picture with no resemblance to reality.

    • A says:

      In some fairness, I was chatting with my parents about the allegations of William’s affairs. My parents were around for the Diana years, and my dad in particular has a dislike for Charles and Camilla as a result. When I mentioned it, my dad flat out said, “That can’t be true. He knows what happened with his mother. Why would he do something like that?”

      So I get it. I get the kneejerk reaction. But obviously it’s not something that bears close resemblance to reality, so.

      • Maria says:

        Well, I think a sensible person WOULD think over the concept of infidelity if their parents’ marriage had been blown to bits by a similar scandal. Unfortunately William is not that person, as you say.

  40. Marigold says:

    I do feel for Kate. It is hard to leave when you have kids. Money helps, but it is still a bad situation. I don’t think William gets a free pass because of who he is. And I don’t like Rose either. She deserves to be cut off. I can’t stand people who think they are better than others by the accident of how they were born.

    • A says:

      It’s complicated. I feel for Kate in that I don’t like how she’s treated by the posh crowd. They bear down the full weight of their snobbery on her. I do think she married William, fully aware of what she was signing up for, and accepting that this marriage would not be how she liked it, but would put up with it for the sake of the “ultimate prize” of being Queen.

      I don’t even mind that she’s going for the big win, but what I can’t abide by is what I feel is her and William’s disingenuous public image. They are not modern people. They try to brand themselves as such, but there is very little about their marriage or their life that is modern.

      But Rose, her husband, and the posh aristocratic circle don’t criticize Kate for that alone. They criticize her because they see her as common. And I can’t abide by that class snobbery. There’s plenty of other things to not like her for. Her background is just not one of them.

  41. anon says:

    Honestly. These. People.

    You know. I’m Native American. The British aristocracy reminds me of one big ol’ Indian reservation. Think about it: They’re trapped and don’t have much freedom, and have to swallow a lot of bullshit to keep the rest of the country from rising up and grabbing what lands they have left.

    Really they’re just sad creatures with no way out. I can see why Harry bolted for the states. At least here he can put distance between him and his cheatin’ heart brother and his paper doll sister-in-law and manage his own life and narrative.

    I mean, the best part was when H&M rolled out a $14 million spread in Santa Barbara, which was a total mic drop, lol! The British media is still shitting their pants that they’re behind the curve now, scrambling to creep Zillow pages and pulling mortgage rates out of their asses. So what? He and Meghan are millionaires. They can afford it, so big deal.

    It was a stroke of genius.

    Meanwhile, all the poor relations (I’m looking at you, York Sisters) are still waiting for their monthly block of commodity cheese.

    Yes. It’s come to this.

    • Babz says:

      I love this comment so much I want to marry it!! 👏🏻👏🏻

    • bamaborn says:

      My second LOL today!

    • L4frimaire says:

      So true! 💯That house has them all rattled and they are all lashing out in all directions. That Sykes guy though is a hateful weasel , but no sympathy for Will with this little drop.

    • A says:

      I know that the American Revolution is basically thought of as ancient history to the British, but I really do think that that whole shebang left them with a massive chip on their shoulder. SO much of what they write and say about Americans, particularly Americans who veer close to the royal family, is just barely disguised insecurity. They cannot stand that America saw the writing on the wall, in 1776, and dumped the monarchy and never looked back, except when reading the tabloid implosions with a bucket of popcorn. America gets the best deal of all. All the fun drama, all the ability to snark, and none of the costs or the frustrations of having to deal with a bunch of unelected grifters. You can’t say a lot for some of the politicians, but at least people will take responsibility for having voted them into power.

      • Maria says:

        Dunno about that. If the British got a chip on their shoulder from that I think they were able to remove it by burning down the White House and getting an immense upper hand in the War of 1812. They did sort of have the option of taking the States back if they really wanted to – although of course it would have made their relations with other nations VERY strained and it would have required an extremely large occupying force (that they did not have) to do so.

      • A says:

        Well it’s a question of what occupies the cultural memory in peoples’ minds and what doesn’t. The American Revolution occupies a certain position on that landscape, because it’s essentially the founding myth of America. The War of 1812 is not. The American Revolution gets talked about as the start of a major, major period of time in world history. The War of 1812 is a blip, and aside from burning down the White House, it doesn’t exactly have that same sort of myth making effect to it.

        You don’t get points for “almost.” You either do, or you don’t. If Britain had retaken America, that might be a different story. But they didn’t. So it’s basically a footnote to pretty much everyone except the most interested. I mean, it wasn’t even the most interesting incident that happened in the year 1812, in Europe or Britain.

  42. bitchy architect says:

    I remember when the documentary on M&H in Africa came out and Meghan said she knew there would be criticism but she thought it would be fair- Tom Sykes completely mocked her and generally ripped her to shreds for that- using Ann Boleyn as an example. As if to say she doesn’t really have it so bad because she didn’t get her head chopped off? I mean WTF. Guy is a TOTAL racist misogynist entitled DB.

    • A says:

      I mean, par for the course. He moves around with the posh toff circle, so no shit he apes their values.

  43. Beech says:

    Let’s say an American columnist spilled a story on William’s cheating in an American outlet, say social media or magazine. With facts. Would the RF sue? Or could the RR repeat the story without worry of being sued?

    • A says:

      They could repeat the story without worry of being sued, under the guise of “quoting” the article in order to “refute” it. We saw this with the Tatler article on Kate.

  44. Vanessa says:

    I don’t get why people still continue to have any sympathy for Kate she participated in the smeared campaign against Meghan. Kate was the other woman while William had a girlfriend in college kate was a willing participant being William side piece she didn’t care she chased William for years change school to follow William . Kate didn’t work for years Her solely focus was getting William to marry her when he publicly dumped her she show up at clubs with photographers dress as scandalized as possible to show William what he was missing her mother begged and pleaded for William to take her back . Kate was the last woman standing because no one wanted William that’s why he mistreatments her William as the heir to the throne is entitled. You know who I feel sorry for Meghan who had to suffer through relentlessly racist abuse who reputations has been destroyed by the British tabloids and social media. Kate doesn’t deserve at sort of sympathy she made her bed she and her mother collusion with the media to destroy Meghan Kate particular in everything her hands are not clean she knew what she doing every step of the way she is a mean cruel human being who help the media go after Meghan with such cruelty to watch . And when the dust was done kate still continued to tried to bully Meghan with her false story about Meghan making her cry she blame everything on Meghan she claim she couldn’t be hands on parents to her kids because Meghan and Harry left it’s all Meghan fault that she couldn’t be more involved parent. Tell me again why we should feel sorry for woman who helped bullied her sister in law while she was pregnant with no consideration for Archie life . Kate is getting what she deserves it’s called karma if William cheating comes out and Kate humiliation so what .

    • Q says:

      I don’t get it either and couldn’t agree with you more.

    • A says:

      You know what the most telling part of the whole Rose Hanbury affair was for me? The fact that the Queen rewarded Kate with the family order. That was a huge thing that stood out in my mind at the time, because it’s so clear what the Queen was doing with that move. She was thanking and rewarding Kate for coming through for the institution, by putting up with the infidelities in her marriage with a quiet, stiff upper lip. By not making a big stink, Kate was sparing them the embarrassment that they went through with Charles and Diana.

      • Chrissy says:

        So sad that Diana earned and received her Family Order during her first year of marriage (age 20) during which she worked her ass off the the BRF while pregnant and dealing with her straying husband. Why did it take Kate 8 years of marriage, 3 kids and laziness personified to finally get her Family Order? Only because she looked the other way while her entitled husband blatantly screwed around with a titled neighbour? What a joke that family is!

    • Tealie says:

      PREACH!!! 🙌🙌

    • Judy says:

      Vanessa-I couldn’t agree more!! You are absolutely right! That woman deserves everything & anything she’s got coming her way! She & Meghan could have forged a unique & distinct bond for their one of a kind positions-& had each other to rely and lean on. It could have been a beautiful relationship for the both of them but instead Kate decided to go “mean girl” on the newest addition to that toxic family. You would think Kate would have welcomed the female companionship of someone her own age-apparently her jealousy, envy and cold personality won out instead. I still think that William’s affair is a big part of the reason for Harry’s distance from his brother these past months, along with the 900 other crappy reasons. I bet William loved the timing of Meghan’s bad press-it was a great smokescreen and oh so convenient for the real news that was going on within the family, between William cheating, not to mention the bomb that was about to drop with Andrew. But, Meghan wore the wrong color nail polish. It’s no wonder Harry wanted out of there!! They were treated like the enemy; never mind family! What a joke it is that Kate and William promote mental health awareness! They both make me furious! Again, excellent post!!

  45. Mina_Esq says:

    Rose’s husband has that sexy older powerful man vibe. I don’t understand the attraction to Will.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Mina_Esq – I do not get the attraction to William either. But then again, I am attracted to the sexy older powerful man vibe of David Rocksavage. When one adds the on the European, NYC and Hollywood culture he also possess, I just shake my head at the PWT and think out loud: “YOU DID WHAT with William”.

    • KL says:

      Never underestimate the absolute boredom of the wealthy and unemployed.

      I swear sometimes people at that tax bracket deliberately trouble their social waters just so there’s something to talk about.

    • Kkat says:

      Also there is a lot of talk that Rocksavage is gay.

      • HeyJude says:

        Ah! I didn’t want to be the one to put it out there, because I didn’t know any reports about it, but as an LGBT person he lights up on my radar.

        Mostly because other straight artistos of his age usually look and comport themselves like Andrew or Charles. He’s so different from them.

        They have no taste at all, turn into big dowdy stiffs with age. David’s very cosmopolitan. He dresses well even casually. He has impeccable tastes and enjoys high culture. (Which of course aren’t straight excluding qualities, but they’re not nearly as common in straight folks.)

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I think Rocksavage is viewed by many people in the know as bi-sexual but I could be wrong.

    • JaneBee87 says:

      @mina_esq As Kkat notes, it appears to be accepted that he is gay or bisexual. It’s been reported he has an exceptionally close relationship with a male friend who is French, and that he spends half the year living in France together with said friend.

    • Chartreuse says:

      I thought DR is meant to be gay and lives in Paris a lot of the time with his boyfriend? Married to have heirs? His bf is Francois Banier who is known to be gay and DR was called ‘not the marrying kind’. Rose is much younger. eta : I just saw other comments saying same thing

      • A says:

        My impression of David Rocksavage has always been that he’s at least bisexual, and just never really interested in settling down. I do think he likes Rose, and she likes him in turn, and he’s actually pretty surprised at how happy he is to have a family. There was an magazine piece on an art showing at his estate that I was reading about, and that was the impression that I got. That he never really expected to marry and settle down at his age, but now that it’s happened, he’s okay with it and it’s been good for him.

        Wrt Rose Hanbury, her mother is who Carole Middleton wishes she could be. Both Rose and her sister, Marina, married rich, titled aristocrats, who are much older than them. There was a lot of really unsubtle hinting in some articles about how “”eager”" (read: desperate) Rose’s mother was for her and her sister to “marry well” and “settle down.” There was an article where her mom was quoted at being “delighted” with how well her daughters were doing in their respective marriages.

        Rose and Marina were essentially party girls who lived it up for a good while before marrying. My impression of Rose and David Rocksavage’s relationship was that they were definitely just fucking around for a while, and then she got pregnant, and he had to marry her quickly because this was his chance to have an heir to the estate. But I do think they care for each other, but are just cool with either of them fucking around if that’s what it means to keep their relationship intact. Such it is with the aristocracy.

      • Chartreuse says:

        It must be a lonely life, even knowing the score, when your husband lives most of the time with his lover. Even penis with teeth might be attractive

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I do not get the feeling that Rose or David is unhappy.

        I think they have a relationship they agreed upon and that works for them; three beautiful children, two stunningly grand country estates (Houghton Hall and Cholmondeley Castle) and lots of moderate to high impact charity work. They seem to me to be the type of people who do whatever they want to do; sometimes together and sometimes apart.

    • Tealie says:

      I’m glad someone else finally said it 🙊🙊 that man is so hot and the scariest part is he doesn’t look that much older than William and yet his 20 years his senior with a full head of hair.
      I looked up some pictures of him when he was younger, and he was a real looker, he kind of reminded me of Thomas Shelby from Peaky Blinders – i’m sure the age gap probably add strain to their relationship, but I can’t believe Rose cheated on David with PWT 🤢🤢

      Oh and I agree with hey dude I don’t know if it’s because he’s very effeminate (especially when you watch him on video) but Rocksavage definitely seems to be gay or and least bi

  46. blunt talker says:

    I guess Mr. Sykes is pointing out something on a small link-daring the royal family to do something about it. I hope he realize other news outlet that picked up on it may try to delve further into the story. Let’s just send Beyonce squad to have a little talk with the British tabloid press-If you leave the Sussex family alone-we will leave the royal family alone.

  47. A says:

    I haven’t read the full article. I didn’t know this about Tom Sykes’ background, and frankly, I’m just really not into it. The whole article reads like little more than low key bragging from him about just how well-connected he is within the snob circle. Good for you, I guess. Congratulations on doing what they all do, leveraging their rarefied background and connections to write a gossip column. I guess the Tatler wasn’t hiring.

    I’ll bet that everyone did know about William and Rose. And we’ll know more in the upcoming years too, probably. William and Kate haven’t lived much of a life to write a whole book on, tbh. I’m really looking forward to the inevitable, unauthorized tell-all that lays bare all the ugly truths in the next five to ten years or so.

    My prediction is that the details about the affair will slowly trickle out. William and Kate will pivot their mental health stuff towards talking about marital counseling. Either that, or there will be an article in the Fail at some point, when one of them hits 45, about how their marriage is “stronger than ever” because they’ve actively “worked on it” and have “weathered the ups and downs.”

  48. starryfish29 says:

    William is the absolute worst and I cannot wait for karma to come for him. Community peen never dips in the pool just once, Rose is just one of several and everyone knows it. One day the devil will come and collect on the deal he made and it will be glorious.

  49. lili says:

    Kalana’s comment is gold:
    “I feel like she did know and made the Chomondolelys throw a very expensive party essentially to celebrate her. She put Will and Rose on blast to their Toff circle that she was in charge. There’s that picture of Rose looking uncomfortable, Kate gloating and William looking uneasy.
    Similar dynamics to the birthday church walk. Kate’s family is between the two women. Rose looks very uncomfortable while Kate seems very cared for and protected.
    Kate’s manipulative AF. She’s not some kind of shrinking violet.
    If the Chomondoleys really were the victims of a rumor that got out of control, then how cold of Kate and William to not at least walk with their friends.”
    As for Kate walking away from William would be a disaster for everyone especially kids! RF owns them. Also who would hire Kate? I assume she’s not interesting in being a celebrity. She’d be lonely, have to deal with press. Maybe kids are her thing.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The RF does not ‘own’ the children. Kate would get a limited settlement, based only on William’s current net worth not any future inheritances. There would be shared custody with Kate living in a grace-and-favour home at Sandringham until the kids get older. They head to boarding school at 8, and George is one year from that. If Kate remarries, she’s required to move from any home at Sandringham.

      In a year or two, particularly if William remarried? No one would give Kate a backwards glance.

      • Lizzie says:

        I guess similar to Diana custody arrangement. It’s hard on the kids period, not just divorce but cheating parents. Just ask William.
        Maybe Kate could go back to her job from before she got married. Oh wait that’s right, she made a career out of waiting for a proposal. I think she would be on the hunt for the next husband.

      • Becks1 says:

        Huh. @Nota, just occurred to me – your comment about the current net worth – we were speculating the other day about Charles holding off on the PoW title and divorce and titles etc. Maybe, Kate is waiting for William to become Duke of Cornwall. Wouldn’t then her divorce settlement probably be a lot more significant? I wonder if they have a pre-nup and if there is anything in there time-wise (some pre-nups have different settlement amounts depending on the length of the marriage.)

      • JaneBee87 says:

        @Becks1 That’s a super interesting observation re: pre-nup terms and possible divorce settlement.

  50. Ella says:

    Interestingly, the curious Rose mention in THAT Tatler article has been quietly removed from the online version (see recent Little Things: British Journalist Says Details Of Prince William’s Alleged Affair Came From The Royal’s Friends). Tells you what all the fuss was about.

    Accusing H&M of censorship when all they wanted was fairness. Hah! Seems W&K are actually the ones censoring free speech and not a peep from the BM colluding with them.

    From the original Tatler article:

    ‘A curious mention of Rose Hanbury: Then there’s her ‘Turnip Toff’ crowd, the Norfolk Sloanes, including Sophie Carter and Robert Snuggs, who live near Anmer Hall. And the Cambridges’ glamorous Houghton Hall neighbours, Rose Hanbury and her husband, the Marquess of Cholmondeley – with whom there was an alleged falling-out last year, over Rose’s apparent closeness to William. The whole of Norfolk was agog and the story spilled over into the newspapers. No party has commented publicly on the matter.’