Donald Trump thinks everyone who serves in the military is a ‘loser’ and a ‘sucker’

President Trump lays wreath at Korean War Memorial in DC

The Jerry Falwell Jr. story highlighted the utter hypocrisy of the Evangelical community’s support of Donald Trump. The fact that so many Evangelicals are still ride-or-die for this disgusting sexual predator, serial adulterer and chief death cultist says more about the American Evangelical community than anything else. But there’s another group which is ride-or-die for Trump: the white dudes in the American military (although that is hopefully changing). You would think with Trump Vietnam War-era deferments and fictitious bone spurs and his generally flaccid and toxic masculinity, that these soldiers and generals would want to stay the f–k away from Trump. And in return for their support, Donald Trump thinks they’re all a bunch of suckers and losers.

Donald Trump is denying a report that he called U.S. soldiers “losers” and “suckers” during a 2018 trip to Paris when he canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery. Trump, 74, slammed a report from the Atlantic on Thursday that said he “rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day.” The magazine did not identify the four sources.

“Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers,” Trump reportedly said to senior staff members the morning the trip was scheduled to take place.

He also reportedly later called the marines who died at Belleau Wood — the battle during which American troops and allies halted Germany’s advance into Paris during WWI in 1918 —”suckers,” and asked his aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?”

Sources also told the magazine that in a 2018 White House planning meeting for a military parade, Trump allegedly did not want wounded veterans included as “Nobody wants to see that.”

The Atlantic report also touched on Trump’s repeated criticisms of the late Sen. John McCain, both on his 2016 campaign trail and after the senator died of brain cancer in August 2018.

“We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” Trump reportedly told senior staff members of McCain after he died. Trump on Thursday told reporters that though he disagreed with McCain, he had to “approve” his funeral in 2018 “without hesitation and without complaint.”

“I felt he deserved it,” Trump said Thursday. Trump did not have to approve McCain’s funeral.

His heated denials — on Twitter and at the foot of the stairs of Air Force One — rang hollow alongside his past public, on-the-record disparagements of McCain which has included calling the late senator “not a hero” and “horrible” as recently as last year.

[From People]

I haven’t read the entire Atlantic piece yet, I’ve only read these highlights and the highlights I’ve seen on Twitter. The Atlantic piece focuses not just on Trump’s hatred of the American military, but also his general worldview, that patriotism and service to one’s country is a fool’s errand and a weakness. He thinks that if you’re smart enough and a winner, you don’t have to concern yourself with serving your country. Smart people go and make money. That’s it. That’s his whole deal. He doesn’t respect people whose motives aren’t monetary. When he sees a cemetery full of fallen soldiers, he thinks they all died because they were losers and poor.

Trump tweeted some pathetic denials which are not even worth posting. I will give you this one though:

President Trump lays wreath at Korean War Memorial in DC

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  1. Lizzie says:

    This is how he thinks. He cheated so he didn’t have to serve and thinks anyone who does serve is a loser. Maybe this is why he doesn’t care if Russia put a bounty on the heads of our brave solders. He should borrow Malania’s I don’t really care jacket.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      It wouldn’t fit his bulk.

    • Mexicalidesi says:

      God damn it. I just can’t take it anymore. I am a naturalized American, and was always so proud of my country. Truly bought into the “greatest country in the world” myth. Now, as a WOC, no matter what happens in the election, and during the period leading to inauguration, I will feel that I have no idea what kind of hatred and anger hides in the hearts of white people that I don’t know.

      And I am lucky, a hyper-well educated, well placed model minority. Didn’t face the daily reality checks of less lucky BIPOC people. Sisters married to wonderful, thoughtful white guys who would kill to protect their brown children. What hope is there for a legitimate racial discourse in America?

      Also for f**cks sake, how is telling people to vote twice *not* conspiracy to commit fraud. Barr should be prosecuted and disbarred. F**ck him and his disgusting overlord.

  2. Noodle says:

    According to another story, he asked John Kelly, his former Chief of Staff whose son died in Afghanistan, why someone would choose to go into the military. Utterly depraved.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-questioned-kellys-sons-sacrifice-on-memorial-day-grave-visit-2020-9

    • EM says:

      This is classic Trump though. He doesn’t understand why anyone acts in a selfless way, he doesn’t get those that follow rules and laws even. All those people are suckers and losers. You’re a military person that was injured/killed – sucker. You’re a military person that committed war crimes and made money off your time (i.e. Gallagher, Eric Prince) = hero.

    • Mumbles says:

      Kelly let kids get locked in cages and didn’t care that a lot of the unaccompanied minors would never find their families again. To meet someone who cares so little about *his* son is just desserts.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      He asked Kelly that at the grave of Kelly’s son!!!!

    • Sue M says:

      The Associated Press, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and also Fox News have confirmed the story in The Atlantic. How much more proof do you need? I repeat, the story has been confirmed by multiple media that Trump did, in fact, say these things and that is his opinion of people who serve in the military.

  3. Jennifer says:

    As much as I loathe him and believe he would say this, I wish the article had more concrete evidence because I think this might convince people to vote him out.

    • Diana says:

      Exactly this is just “fake news” to those lost causes….

      • tealily says:

        Yup. I’ve seen people jumping through hoops to call this “fake news.” Even the McCain stuff is dismissed as “well, he was a political opponent, of course he’s going to say stuff like that.” Truly maddening justification.

      • Snappyfish says:

        Fake news with a whole lot of video & audio clips. Pretty amazing how all of those were “manufactured”. Calling him a POS really seems like an affront to sh&t. I never thought I would actually loathe, abhor & detest another human but I do

    • EM says:

      I disagree – there is nothing that will convince his base to vote him out. They could have him on tape and it won’t matter, they will find an excuse. For goodness sake people think Trump was sent from God. The laziest entitled malevolent man sent from God – no words except VOTE!

      • Mac says:

        His base doesn’t need to be convinced. The Obama/Trump swing voters need to be convinced. Insulting the military doesn’t play well with swing voters and Trump and his goons know they are in trouble.

      • LadyMTL says:

        I tend to agree with you, EM. I remember in 2016 when he started insulting a gold-star family (the Khans, I believe) how little impact it seemed to have outside of the news media anyway. At this point I think that he’d have to shoot a disabled Vet on the south lawn of the WH for any of his supporters to turn on him.

        Mac, I truly hope you’re right and this will have an impact on the swing voters, but at this point I’m just discouraged about it all…and I’m not even American so can’t vote! Gah.

      • Anne Call says:

        Yeah his base are deplorables who like his behavior and evangelicals who only vote repub because of abortion. This solidifies the Biden vote from college educated white people and especially suburban women who have enough of his chaos, incompetence and overall sociopathic behavior.

      • janine says:

        There’s enough corroborating evidence for anyone who cares. He’s insulted Gold Star families, he’s only received 4 of the bodies of soldiers brought home, he made fun of McCain being a prisoner of war on camera (He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured”), he forgot the name of a soldier while he was on the phone with his widow and Trump told her that her husband “knew what he had signed up for.” All those are either on the record or on tape.

    • Ann says:

      I believe that if he is recorded killing Melania and Barron in a fit of rage at the White House during one of their visits (because they don’t live there,) his base will assume they had it coming to them and say, “So what?” His followers are sick, sick, sick.

    • MaryContrary says:

      Multiple eyewitnesses for this article-and it’s the Atlantic, not a tabloid. But his brain washed supporters could see a video of him saying these horrible things and still make excuses for him.

      • Suz says:

        Agreed @marycontrary. His brainwashed supporters heard him on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women and still voted him in. They saw him ridicule a man’s physical disability and still voted him in. They heard him call Nazis “very fine people” and don’t care. They saw him tweet that American citizens who live in cities with Democrat mayors “can rot.” They heard him say he’s “in love” with the brutal North Korean dictator who has threatened to nuke the United States.
        It doesn’t matter. They are in a cult. As long as he keeps hating the same people they hate, they like him.

      • Jaxonmeh says:

        @JLYNN you forgot your question because you’re not very smart. If you think you’ve made a point, it’s because you’ve deluded yourself on your own emotions. Bye.

    • Louisa says:

      Sorry Jennifer, but I’m with EM on this. There is NOTHING that will turn his base against him at this point. Right now it’s “fake news” but even if any of the generals came out and confirmed this story his supporters would just turn against them claiming they were “out to get Trump”. Trump is the only one they trust and believe. It’s insanity.

    • Veronica S. says:

      LOL, Republicans don’t give a shit about veterans. They just use it as a political mechanism to leverage their access to legislative office. Their suffering is just a battering ram by which they silence opponents. Actually caring about them as people, though? Unlikely. Veterans make up an obscene percentage of homelessness (11%), and a lot of that is because neither political coalition gives enough of a damn to give them proper healthcare, financial, or long term psychological support.

      • Christin says:

        They like making money from wars, in my opinion. It takes volunteers to front up the armed forces and use all that equipment.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      The 4 sources have verified the story with the Washington Post for certain and I also believe with the AP.

      Trump’s approval with the military is also currently at 37%, which is shocking, but really good news. He doesn’t deserve their support.

      • Jen says:

        Yes – just about to post this. Other news sources including the Washington Post have confirmed the story.

      • What...now? says:

        Even Fox New confirmed this story. Trumpers can scream fake news at the WaPo or NYT, or CNN, but maybe since it’s on Fox, some might say, “Hmmmm” instead of “Fake News.”

    • Ariel says:

      His supports who purport to be patriotic, pro-military, and “christian” are just racist garbage.
      So they don’t really care about any of that other stuff.
      They LOVE to use “patriotism” and “christianity” against people who don’t support their bigotry.
      But bigotry is their only real allegiance. I think most don’t admit that even to themselves, b/c even racists know that racism is evil- that’s why they fight so hard against being labeled racist, or argue that “racism” doesn’t really exist.
      But none of this matters to them.
      They just want the racist in chief to remain in control.

      They are not concerned with democracy, corruption, the economy, and certainly not with justice, compassion, or equality.

      • Betsy says:

        “Bigotry is their only real allegiance.” So among the Trumpsters, I find this to be a glass shattering truth. But you are also right when you say that they don’t admit this, even to themselves. It is as if the even the thought is just too big to penetrate. The bigoted notions are wrapped up in Biblical teachings (specifically the sexism, homophobia and transphobia aspects) and what they learned when they were children (about Democrats and Black people). It truly doesn’t strike them as “bigotry,” but rather just as the “way things are and should always be.” Like they will consistently rewrite the rules just enough so that Black people who die at the hands of the police were being bad and deserved it, whereas Kyle Rittenhouse – who arguably deserved to be killed as he walked toward police brandishing a weapon – was right and good and pure.

        If you know a way to combat that, LMK. Desperate to change a few minds over here.

      • Holly hobby says:

        His supporters are uneducated racists who Are inbred. I don’t care what they think. You need to get the saner gop to vote against him.

    • H says:

      I’ve blocked so many people on FB this morning. I’m tired of dropping the video of Bone Spurs mocking John McCain and calling him a ‘loser.’ McCain was many things, but the man was a hero and a POW.

      I’m hoping General Kelly will finally come out against this loser. Maybe that would finally sink Trump with vets. Can you imagine being at your son’s GRAVE and the president says crap like that? I’ve been livid since reading The Atlantic article and booting and blocking anyone (including family) who calls this “fake news.”

      I’m a veteran and I have no f’s left to give in trying to make nice with the Cultists.

    • Amber says:

      Captain Sully wrote a scathing denouncement on Twitter, if a few more prominent veterans come out and denounce him, it will probably turn the heads of a few people. And yeah even Fox News confirmed it. I think it will only matter to his supporters that are current or former military, but that’s still something.

  4. Boo says:

    I live on a military base because my husband is a Marine, and while I don’t interact much with other Marines, I have noticed more outspoken support for left-leaning causes like BLM from other wives, some my age (40) but some younger wives as well. That being said, there are plenty, and I mean PLENTY, of liberal-hating, confederate flag waving, scary ass knuckle-dragging, Trump loving rednecks in my neighborhood. And I’m not sure Trump insulting the military is enough to change their minds. They’ve been conditioned to hate liberals more than anything else, even when it goes against their own self-interest.

    • MaryContrary says:

      My friends who’s husband is retired Navy is uber Catholic-so even with this, she’d support Trump because her only issue is anti-abortion. It’s mind boggling.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        So save the “unborn”, but once they’re here, forget about them/cruelty is the point. Nice. Organized religion can BITE me!

      • tealily says:

        Same with my retired military uncle and half my family. I’ve tried arguing “well, if you’re really pro-life you should be supporting free healthcare and child care and not putting children in cages,” etc. and nothing gets through. During Obama’s tenure I tried “well, the rate of abortions now is lower than it’s ever been since Roe v. Wade” and he told he’d have to “check those numbers.” I’m like, dude, this is your single issue and you don’t even know the stats? Brainwashed.

    • Jenn says:

      I’ve never understood how he had any support from military families at all. But I don’t understand how he has any support from Christians either. 🤷🏻‍♀️

      • Lizzieb says:

        @Jenn. I’m not American but am Christian and I don’t get it either. When I ask for examples of what he has done that is so great I just get the party line. Some are starting to see he is not so great but there is also a rumour out there that he was born again after being elected which seems to be how his first few decades are explained. Strangely no one chats up Pence…and there is still a consensus that Nancy Pelosi is evil. My opinion is that there is probably some bad at the top level of each party…but otherwise am a bit unclear

    • Mac says:

      A poll came out this week that Biden is leading Trump 41 to 37 among active duty members.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I’ve read that as well. It makes me so happy, because he doesn’t deserve their support. He has no respect for them, and only uses them as props.

      • Sarah says:

        I’m old enough to remember Hillary Clinton having an 85% chance of winning on election night. Do not trust the polls. Check every day to make sure you are registered to vote and do it. Volunteer to text bank or be a poll worker. VOTE.

      • Godwina says:

        WHAT SARAH SAID.

    • Wamama says:

      I also live on a military base. Last week my family participated in a walk around the base, officially authorized by the base military brass, that was to fight racism and start difficult conversations. It had such a turnout that it had to be divided into different waves and start times. We weren’t allowed to have signs or anything with “political” messages, but my husband wore his BLM shirt and mask and I was so proud to see the amount of people who turned up for it.

      But like you, Boo, I see plenty of Trump flags flying from servicemembers houses, and despite how “socially just” a lot of the members and their spouses sound on a lot of topics, I still fear how they’ll actually vote, just because Republican administrations are usually more “pro-military.”

    • PugMom says:

      I’m an Army veteran. Veterans are not happy with Trump at all, and there are way more of us than there are active duty. I will also say that my friends that are still in the Army are not supportive of Trump.

    • Pusspants says:

      My husband is an officer in the Navy & according to him, in the officer core, there is little support for Trump. Of course officers are a smaller % of the military. I work at a VA & the trump supporters tend to be more vocal, but fewer in number. And current active duty military has a growing number of women & minority service members, so the Republicans will likely loose support from the military over time.

      ETA: And F*CK trump for so many things including disparaging disabled veterans!

      • H says:

        I’m a disabled veteran and everytime I go to the VA I see tons of vets wearing Trump hats or T-shirts. Next time, I’m rolling in wearing my Biden/Harris top and my Navy hat. BTW, its ALL old white guys wearing this stuff. People 35 and younger who were in Iraq/Afghanistan? I hardly ever see them wearing Trump gear.

        Hopefully, after this the tide is turning.

      • Suz says:

        My cousin is an active Marine stationed overseas and has said the USMC is anti Trump. Especially after he fired Mattis whom they revere.

  5. Nothankyou says:

    God he’s a piece of shit.

  6. Lightpurple says:

    The White House was warned this story was coming. They had coordinated responses, all almost word for word exactly the same, from sycophants like Sarah Huckabee Sanders all ready to go as the story was breaking. It’s amazing how many claim to have been right by his side all day the day of the Belleau Wood incident. His fringe lunatics like Junior and Charlie Kirk are responding to it by accusing Kamala Harris of endorsing pedophilia or some other ridiculous claim. Their frantic, coordinated response tells me every word of it is true.

    And no, he didn’t easily agree to honor McCain. he had to be shamed into it and initially refused to acknowledge his death, just like he refused to honor Elijah Cummings and John Lewis. And then Nagini crashed the funeral to play with her phone during Meghan McCain’s eulogy.

    This morning, they’re trying to distract with a jobs report and Nagini’s illegal campaign trip to Pennsylvania.

  7. antipodean says:

    Why am I so,so tired and full of dread? Will this ever end? How can this piece of excrement be tolerated by decent people? Where are the decent people? Is it just me?

    • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

      *waving hand wildly*. HERE WE ARE!!! All up and down CB, in The Resistor Family on Twitter, in Swing Left, and Vote.org…all working on turning local/state/House/Senate BLUE ALLLLLLLLLLLL the way down!!

      #WeThePeopleAreHere #UnitedWeStand

  8. Ann says:

    This one is bleak. I’ve tried explaining to certain trump supporters in my life that he hates all of us. All of us. And they say he loves them. No he doesn’t. And it’s infuriating that all these people are ok with him hating me as long as he loves them. These are close friends and coworkers. I keep waiting for something to finally get through but it doesn’t. He now openly hates the military and fallen troops. How more anti-American and inhumane can you get?

    • phaedra7 says:

      Yes! He only loves himself. But the with the way he eats and he is always (from sundown to sunset, day in-day out) causing sooo much STRESSFUL DRAMA AND TRAUMA–which could eventually cause medical problems (i.e., cancers and other diseases) if he in actuality cares about himself. . . . . . . . .🤔

    • Mac says:

      When his supporters try to vote twice they will find out how much he really hates them.

    • tealily says:

      I’ve yet to see this man express love of any kind. These must be very lonely people to be able to project that on him.

      • Jaded says:

        Sociopaths like Trump don’t feel love, nor do they feel remorse or empathy. They have no issues manipulating those closest to them, even spouses and children. Their driving force is simply to dominate others and they’re addicted to the feeling of power and control it gives them. Sociopaths lack a conscience, so they will do pretty much anything it takes to get what they want, willfully disregarding or violating the rights of others.

        In short, they’re monsters and completely unable to be rehabilitated into nice people.

      • lisanne says:

        Jaded, I think that’s the best, most succinct description of Trump/the sociopathic personality I’ve every seen!

      • Nic919 says:

        There is no psychological difference between dump and most serial killers. He’s just too weak and lazy to kill anyone himself although he’s probably hired people to do it. He’s a monster and everyone needs to understand this.

  9. lobstah says:

    I sent this article to my relatives who are Trump supporters and was read the riot act – unnamed sources, no proof, he’s the most “patriotic American” ever. One person said that most members of the military support Trump so this is clearly fake news. So sad.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      The sources are unnamed but not unknown. The 4 sources for the story have verified the account with The Washington Post (and I also heard the AP verified, but I haven’t directly read their statement).

      He already insulted POWs on camera, why would Trump supporters be surprised that his disrespect extends to those killed in action? This is entirely CONSISTENT with who he has shown himself to be: a man who is incredibly vain about his hair, who didn’t show up for the 100 year anniversary of the armistice of WWI, on the birthday of the U.S. Marine Corps at a site where many Marines died, who insults POWs and Gold Star families. This is just an extension of a per-existing narrative that Trump has written for himself.

      If my Trump supporting family members challenge me when I talk to them about this, I will say the proof is in the pudding: he didn’t show up to the 100 year anniversary, when all the other world leaders did. He didn’t care, he didn’t show up. THAT alone should be enough to tell them how little regard he has for those who’ve served.

      • lobstah says:

        I’m with you! I just shake my head at their unending support of this massive piece of sh*t dictator wannabe.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I’m in the same boat. It’s so hard to see family members fall for this con! Hugs to you.

        I’ve been mentally strategizing for months, trying to think of a plan to somehow engage them in a way that will change their minds.

    • H says:

      I sent family and friends VIDEO of Trump mocking McCain and was told in response that “McCain was a loser.” I blocked that person immediately. You can debate me about McCain’s political record, but to call a POW a “loser,” get out!

  10. Betty says:

    My mom is an evangelical republican. She agrees with me that Trump is a malignant narcissist however crossing the aisle to vote democrat is a bridge too far (something something scary Nancy pelosi). We got into it last night about this article. I feel so sad and hopeless today, worse than the day he was elected.

    • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

      I just do NOT understand, how people who consider themselves “such GOOD, “God Fearing” CHRISTIANS can condone:
      A “Christian” who NEVER goes to church (except *maybe* Christmas/Easter, and ONLY since in office),
      a serial cheater, a rapist of women/child,
      a predator who claims he “grabs ‘em by the pussy”,
      who separates families, caging the children (most to NEVER see their families again,
      someone who PERSONIFIES the “Seven Deadly Sins” (and has broken each and every one)…

      HOW do they justify their support????

      • Regina Falangie says:

        Because they are not actually Christians. Satan can quote the Bible too. They are using their “religion” as a shield and an excuse to go against everything the Bible says all while maintaining a false sense of superiority. They are followers of the devil, through and through. They are evil rebranded.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        Exactly, Regina…exactly.

    • Kkat says:

      My mom is a evangelical republican, doesn’t like trump but likes what he does for the far right. i.e. elect judges and supreme court, enable pro birth, racism and homophobic policy

  11. ClaireB says:

    This small, petty man is ruining our country with the support and encouragement of the Republican party. He thinks that he can say whatever he wants and there will never be any consequences for him. And, so far, there haven’t been.

    I was in Target yesterday, out for the first time in weeks, and a woman at the register next to me was having problems buying baby food with her WIC card. Turns out you can’t have more than 50 items? Whatever, she’s trying to feed her baby. And the woman waiting behind her started saying nasty things to her because she was going to be delayed. The mean woman had a perfectly quiet 2 year old in her cart and kept referring to that as why she shouldn’t be inconvenienced by someone in front of her having a problem. She was so nasty and horrible and thought it was perfectly okay for her to be saying these things to a random stranger in a store. She’s the kind of person that Trump is influencing with his own behavior. I knew my area was full of Trump supporters, but it really brought home to me the damage he’s done to us as a society.

    Sorry for the vent, but it was really upsetting even as a bystander and illustrated how far we’ve fallen in just a few years.

    • goofpuff says:

      I hope you spoke up. I’ve learned that the best way to deal with people like that is to not let them get away with attacking other people. If you call them out on their behavior, it helps the poor person they are attacking.

      • Juls says:

        I get what you’re saying, and I agree with you. The problem is, a lot of these brazen wackos are armed and just itching to use their guns on somebody. They create confrontation and dare anybody to say anything, because then they will scream about being a victim and they ‘felt threatened.’ Example: the mccloskeys. So, a lot of people would prefer to suffer the verbal abuse and walk away for fear of being killed.

  12. Tiffany says:

    This is why he never went to Dover. Someone in that administration kept him away when the Gold Star families are there to me the bodies.

    We have seen him just be horrible to the ones he has spoken about publicly. What more will it take for racist to see he don’t care about them either.

    • Boo says:

      Well thank God he didn’t. If my husband were killed in action and I had to go there, I certainly wouldn’t want Trump there, too.

  13. Becks1 says:

    This is appalling. The commander in chief, the person in charge of the military, says that those who die in combat are “losers.” all of them apparently, even the boys who died a hundred years ago!!

    People are crying “Fake news” but this is the Atlantic and Washington Post. They check their sources thoroughly. This isn’t fake.

    BUT, its also not that surprising. He said that John Mccain wasn’t a hero because “I like people who don’t get caught” or whatever the quote was, he attacked the Khans after the DNC, etc – he has no respect for the troops and military. And he never has.

  14. Just a thought says:

    It’s time that you all wrap your head around the fact that 40% of your fellow citizens are: racist, greedy, selfish, amoral, stupid, self-harming, ignorant, or some combination of all of the above. Look around you at any given moment, even if it’s just out of your window, and count off at least 4 out of ten and remind yourself that they do not care about you or really even themselves at the end of the day. It’s not about wishful thinking, it’s about facing the truth. Once you get your mind to accept that fact, you can start to get moving to change things.

    • Heylee says:

      This is where I’m at too. And honestly, hearing you say that you think only 40% of our fellow citizens are garbage… makes me feel better. I have been feeling the number is higher. Since this pandemic has started, I’ve let go of a lot of people that I realize are just not who I want to be around.

      Now I have to read this article. Though I have thought that Trump hates everyone for a while now.

    • Christin says:

      This realization, while depressing at first, can be life-changing in a broader way. Time is a valuable resource.

      When you realize there are a fair number of people around you who really do not care about anything outside themselves or their immediate family only, you learn to not waste time with them. The past four years have helped confirm what I started learning a couple of years before that – how utterly mean-spirited and self-serving some people truly are.

    • Godwina says:

      Yup.

  15. KellyRyan says:

    I’m taking a hard line on Twitter against Republican politicians, registered Republicans and Democratic politicians. “Take action now or we will consider you complicit. Be prepared to suffer backlash if you do not.” You do not need to select the Democratic party. Do what 38% of Americans, 23% of Californians do, register as an Independent. As to Drumpf, Mary Trump tweeted this morning calling for Trump to resign. She posted my tweet on her Twitter feed, “Wishful thinking.” Prior to the election the only way he will be removed is if he becomes incapacitated.”

  16. Meg says:

    Openly unapologeticly being very judgemental of others for superficial things, only seeing money as a worthwhile motivation for anything and as a result not having hobbies because of this belief is all very familiar to me-why spend time doing paint by number or interior decorating your home, rearranging furniture etc all of those things were criticized by my parents growing up with them constantly asking ‘why are you doing that?’ and ‘what are you realistically going to do with that once it’s done? Sell it?’ no people paint by number because they like it it doesn’t have to be financially profitable to be worthwhile. My major in college was criticized years after I’d finished school because they didn’t understand why I wouldn’t do something more traditionally profitable and assumed I’d never get work or make money in my field. When I got work in my field they disregarded it as invalid because it showed they were wrong and as we’ve seen from Trump he cannot admit he’s wrong.
    Of course chasing money is a hollow goal, both my dad and brothers have let their guards down from time to time and admitted ‘i hate my job’ (my dad did this constantly growing up actually, biggest memory of him coming home from work sitting at the dinner table with his jacket still on sulking repeating, I hate my job. To dump that on a kid was so selfish.) well yeah you chased $. Then they’d go right back to criticizing art and people who don’t go into the most profitable fields. It’s like they’re constantly at war with themselves, Trump overeats, my relatives have had depression

    • Christin says:

      @Meg – Sounds like a case of family being jealous of how you found your personal path early in life and pursued a career close to your heart.

      The thing about chasing money is that there never seems to be enough, once someone is in that mindset. As the saying goes, we can’t take it with us. We never see an armored truck follow a hearse.

      People like your father and Orange are truly poor, no matter how much money they attain. They are poor in what really matters in life, because they are clearly miserable.

  17. TQ says:

    Yeah, Trump has no respect for the military, or the sacrifices of those in the military and their families. In 2016 he said horrible things about the gold star family of Humayun Khan, who was killed in Iraq (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html). People in the military still supporting him is such a vote against their own interests.

  18. Veronica S. says:

    I’m wary of anybody in uniform with a gun, but I trust military a hell of a lot more than I do police, at least because they’re actually properly trained professionals. But in a way, GOOD, that this is coming out, and the Russian bounties story, so that American military can have it reinforced repeatedly for them how little their lives matter to this administration and what that may mean for them down the road.

  19. Tiffany :) says:

    It is hurting people deeply to have these things said about fallen veterans. One of my family members was already supporting Biden, but she is thinking about her brother killed in Vietnam, and this story has been gut wrenching for her. I just wanted to take a moment to offer my thanks and sincere gratitude to those in service, and also to their families.

  20. Liz version 700 says:

    I hate this man with every pore of my body. To trash our fallen soldiers in sacred ground. It makes me nauseous. Oh and today, since it was reported in the Stars and Stripes Military newspaper Trump has ordered it to be closed. It has operated since the Civil War.

  21. Boo says:

    Now he’s ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down after 160 years reporting the news for members of the armed forces. Is it time for the military coup now?

  22. Darla says:

    John Kelly should definitely come out and say it’s true, but he hasn’t denied this story has he? So, there you have it.

    • H says:

      @Darla, Kelly knows he’ll be attacked by Trump and his supporters like LtCol Vindman was. Who would want that sort of craziness in their life during a global pandemic. But, I wish Kelly would confirm too.

  23. Mamasan says:

    I’m proud to say I’m an Army veteran. 🙋‍♀️ Ashamed to say Donald Trump is the President of the United States. 🤷‍♀️

    • H says:

      @Mamasan, Navy veteran here. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I gave him a chance to live up to the oath of the office. I’ve been done awhile. I’m hoping this will put the final nail in his coffin, so to speak.

      • Mamasan says:

        Tip my hat to you, H, and the other vets on this thread. I think until we get a handle on the corruption in the White House and Congress, the US is on a slippery slope. Even more so if Trump gets 4 more years. Amazing how far we’ve fallen in such a short time.

    • Truthiness says:

      Thank you both for your service, Mamasan and H. ❤ Trump could not walk miles in your shoes, he is too undisciplined and out of shape.

  24. Suz says:

    I drove home from vacation today and took rural county roads instead of the thruway. Soooooo many Dump signs and flags in front of so many houses.
    My point: it doesn’t matter what he says or does, no matter how horrible. These supporters of his are in a cult mentality and don’t care what he says about the people they supposedly support (“Support the troops”). As long as he still says and does horrible things to the people they hate, he gets a pass.
    Note: this isn’t just in rural areas. I know that. My city has shown its true colors this summer with just how bigoted too many people here are.

  25. Andrea says:

    My cousin is a woman and an educator and is a Trump supporter. Honestly, some people just can’t see the forest for the trees. Until their own family member dies of covid, they will blindly follow. If this isn’t reason to dump more money into education and critical thinking programs–I don’t know what is.

  26. Bratt Pitt says:

    Hearsay from ‘sources’ that surfaces two years after it allegedly happened during the pointy end of an election campaign. If you fall for this you’d fall for anything.

    • Juls says:

      Well you fall for all the lies that spew from Trumps pie hole on the daily so, Im not really sure what your point is. You’ve been tricked by a con man so, point that finger right back at yourself.

      • Bratt Pitt says:

        I’m no Trump supporter. I just don’t believe every unsubstantiated thing I hear just because it’s politically convenient and neither should you.

      • Juls says:

        I believe everything Trump says is a lie. If he says something happened, it didn’t. If he says something didn’t happen, I know it did. This is substantiated by him and the words that have come out of his mouth. He has personally taught me to believe the opposite of what he says. I don’t need news sources for that. HE is the source.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      It has been verified by named sources on Of all places…Fox News.

      • Bratt Pitt says:

        Link?

        It wasn’t verified in the article on this site. But I bet that didn’t stop people from automatically believing it and rushing to pile on before doing their due diligence.

    • H says:

      @Brad Pitt, It just was verified by Fox News. Thread: https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975321495973889

    • AMAyson1977 says:

      Unnamed sources are known to the reporter and vetted by them and their paper within an inch of their lives, especially with sensitive information like this. Just because WE don’t have their names doesn’t mean they aren’t credible and truthful. 🙄

      • Bratt Pitt says:

        And you know this because?🙄

        Sensitive information? There’s nothing sensitive about the political commentary in the current climate. It’s a soap opera.

      • AMAyson1977 says:

        I know it because these are publications with the highest journalistic standards and they take their duty to inform the public seriously. Any serious news organization verifies published information multiple ways prior to going to press, AND gives the subject of the story an opportunity to credibly refute the information before publication. I used the term “sensitive information” because a story of this nature that was NOT rigorously vetted according to common journalistic practice would constitute libel. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

      • shanaynay says:

        AMAyson1977 says:
        Don’t waste your time trying to debate a DT supporter. It’s a waste of time. It’s like talking to a brick wall. You’d be more successful at debating a young child instead one of them.

    • Meg says:

      Countless sources were quoted in this articke. Countless. He already said he doesnt rhink jon McCain was a war hero after 5 years as a POW so this is not shocking at all

      • Bratt Pitt says:

        It’s not a question of liking or not liking. It’s a question of whether or not there’s enough evidence to support the claim. I’m yet to see sufficient evidence to sustain this particular claim. Where’s the evidence?

      • Jaxonmeh says:

        @Bratt Pitt – just because you don’t understand journalism or how sourcing works doesn’t mean this information isn’t verified and factual.

  27. Juxtapoze says:

    Pretty damning when even Fox News confirms the story:
    “ On Friday, Fox News too lent credence to the report, saying two former Trump administration officials had confirmed details in the story.”
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5f517e63c5b62b3add3e1e45

  28. Liz version 700 says:

    I’m gonna guess one source was John Kelly since Trump just railed at him in his unhinged press conference. He went off on Kelly after saying “India people are going to vote for me.” And before encouraging people to vote twice yet again.

  29. shanaynay says:

    Maybe the only way DT supporters will finally see the light that they’re supporting an racist animal is if something personally affects them. Until them, they are obsessed with DT and it’s scary. These people are going to find out in the end when he f*^*s them over, then maybe then, they will finally realize what everybody else already knows. I question the morals of anybody that supports DT. You’re priorities, soul, and integrity flew out the window the minute you supported him.

  30. Jaxonmeh says:

    Retired Air Force here. I haven’t read all of the comments yet, but so happy to see so many military and military adjacent Celebitches.

    The tide has been turning for awhile. I remember having to keep my mouth shut back in the day when some of my fellow airmen were screaming to the rafters at how amazing Ann Coulter was and how they modeled themselves after her. She was a conservative woman they wanted to be. Bleh.
    It definitely took me time to evolve from some of my more conservative views, but I’ve always found that shrew absolutely repellant. And any followers she had, I ran away from.

    Before I retired, I saw DADT repealed and younger gay airmen actually enter the military not ever feeling the pressure to hide who they were during their career and do the normal things like get married and start their lives…in ways so mundane that the bigots who sat next to them obviously didn’t know their lives when they were saying shitty things, because it wasn’t a big deal for them get married and do the normal things. As it should be. And when these bigots found out or said something that was offensive, the bigots were the ones told by leadership to shut up and keep it to themselves at the threat of their careers instead.

    These changes and others have had a butterfly effect. The military is always changing. Nothing bad is happening because of it. Just like when African Americans were allowed to join up. And combat roles being opened up to women. Etc, etc, etc. The naysayers just look stupid as normal.

    I read something in my military FB community not long ago where one of my fellow airmen thanked some other friends for friending him in real life and opening his eyes and doing the work on educating him about basically how uneducated and racist he was when he first joined the military. He joined in the late 90s for context.

    It’s a process. And it’s work. But there has been some positive change. Many of us keep quiet on our politics when we’re in because that’s what we’re supposed to do. But there’s still plenty of racists and bigots who are loud and proud about who they are. It’s definitely going to come to a head there too though. It will be interesting to see how it’s dealt with. Because they do have to deal with it.

  31. Jace says:

    I am a military brat. My parents voted for DT the first time and probably will again. It’s hard having conflicting views from family. Even harder to understand how they could support someone so disgusting on so many levels. I’ll vote and hope we’re coming to the end. Thank you for your service vets!!!

  32. Kate says:

    My own mother, whose father was held in a POW camp in Germany for a year after being shot down into the forest, is STILL voting for Trump. I can’t even attempt to have civil conversations about “doing what is right” with my white, well-off parents because they’re so blinded about how well the “economy has done under Trump.”

    This is an absolute parallel universe, living nightmare. When otherwise rational people excuse things left and right under the guise of “freedom” and “avoiding leftist tactics” then I have lost all hope.

    Is Joe Biden ideal? Absolutely not.

    But I fear that four more years of damage to our country will be irreversible.

  33. Jay says:

    The best and most persuasive political arguments confirm rather than assert – this won’t reach his die hards, but it might give a permission structure for wavering Republican voters not to reelect him. Pete Butteigeg made a fantastic appeal on Fox, asking viewers if they wanted to be a “McCain” Republican or a “Trump” one. I’m optimistic enough to hope that will sway some people, but it won’t happen on its own – now the work begins!

    We all know, because we have seen and heard Trump as a public figure for many years, that he has never and will never care about anybody other than himself.

    Of COURSE he doesn’t care about answering a call or duty or loyalty – he has shown us that he doesn’t understand these concepts, how could he value them? He sees the glitz of medals and wants to be associated with power, but has no understanding of the work or sacrifice involved.

    It would be pitiful if it weren’t so dangerous.

    • pottymouth pup says:

      please, anyone still siding with the GOP on anything is a Trumpist. Even Been Domenech (aka Meghan “MY FATHER” McCain’s husband) is protecting Trump on this