Last Wednesday, the New York Times published the Duchess of Sussex’s op-ed about her miscarriage, and all of the pain and grief we’ve had this year in particular. I thought her essay had a hopeful tone, not upbeat, but just forward-looking, that there exists the possibility that we can really see each other and check in with one another. Many UK charities made positive statements about Meghan’s op-ed, and she was even credited with an increase in visibility for issues like miscarriage and child loss. Obviously, some people are always going to be racist, snide and hateful, but those people were generally drowned out by the sea of well-wishes for the Sussexes. Tom Sykes notes, at the Daily Beast, that this might even be a “royal reset” for the Sussexes’ strained relations with the Windsors.
Immediately after reading Meghan Markle’s brave and brilliant op-ed about her miscarriage in the New York Times this week, The Daily Beast reached out to the offices of Prince Charles, Prince William, and Queen Elizabeth to try and get a sense of the mood in their camps. While Charles and William more or less stuck to the usual “no comment”, the response that came from the queen’s office was rather unusual. While saying that they wouldn’t comment, they did, noting this was a “deeply personal” issue, a phrase which, while not exactly warm, encouraging or supportive, appeared to at least show a modicum of empathy and compassion for Meghan and Harry.
Empathy and compassion, as anyone who has been watching The Crown, Peter Morgan’s devastating portrait of the Windsors on Netflix, over the past few weeks, are not exactly the royal family’s stock in trade. What’s also important is what didn’t happen next. The palace didn’t get on the phone to friendly journalists and start decrying Meghan—as it did when Diana revealed her bulimia all those years ago—as an attention-seeker or self-publicist.
For those who have spent the past few years observing the ruthless but, simultaneously, bizarrely cack-handed way the royals have sought to censor and control Meghan, the absence of approved royal sources slamming her is a welcome development. (However, it should be said that had they even attempted any such heartless criticism it would have been met with rightful condemnation by the public.) For Meghan, it will be a relief; not because she needs anyone’s permission to speak her truth, but, more prosaically, because a “royal row” narrative would have distracted from the message of the article itself.
This is not to say, of course, that there won’t be petty quarrels and sniping at Meghan and Harry again. There will. But it seems that even the famously hard-hearted Windsors saw the wisdom of not responding to Meghan’s pain in a critical way. That in itself feels like it could herald a major reset in relations between the Sussexes and the Establishment.
The Daily Beast also exclusively revealed that Harry and Meghan had discussed with his family her decision to write her convention-shattering piece, which is being widely hailed—much as was Chrissy Teigen’s photographic account of her miscarriage—as an attitude-altering contribution to the conversation around this everyday tragedy. Friends of the couple told The Daily Beast that they had discussed the “very painful” experience with Harry’s family.
The royal family deserves no medals for showing themselves to be human, but its senior members do appear to have finally accepted that Meghan—who has complained of being deprived of her voice and silenced as a royal—has a right to be heard. That is progress.
On the bigger question of whether this traumatic event will repair any rifts in the royal family, or even put things into perspective a little, it is probably too early to say. Meghan’s camp have been guarded in their use of language, pointedly saying that the painful experience has been “discussed” with Harry’s family. That in itself is encouraging, but they have not, however, used words to suggest that the royals’ input has been a great source of solace or comfort for Harry and Meghan.
Yeah, I noticed that too – for all of the negativity from the peanut gallery (commenters, tweets, etc), the palace didn’t actually send courtiers out to trash Meghan. But I think that’s more about those courtiers knowing that it would not end well if they tried to play the “we were blind-sided, how dare this impertinent American” game in this particular situation. Besides, there’s a limit to how many times the palace can reasonably claim to be blind-sided without looking completely out of touch. I also think that “not sending people out to trash and smear Meghan” isn’t quite enough for a “reset” in royal relations. If anything, this is a stalemate, and that might be the best anyone can hope for the future – the Sussexes are clearly building their future in California and the jealous, petty, hopeless Windsors don’t actually want them to come back. So a stalemate it is. Also: we’ll never find out for sure, but I would be interested in knowing when Harry and Meghan told the Windsors about her miscarriage and about the op-ed.
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Most likely they were told the night before it came out or right before. I just don’t believe they would have “learned their lessons” from all their leaks.
night before? I think you are very generous. Too much time for them to leak….they were told 1-2 hours before the Op-ed went out
“Cack-handed”, indeed.
They will NEVER change. Didn’t it come out that William didn’t even tell Petty Betty about his engagement press announcement until the same morning?? Funnily, we didn’t get press about how “angrily they were blindsided” by W.
I saw an article headline on The Fail about how “William went to the Queen to ask permission AND GET DIANA’S RING FROM *HER*” HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
(Yes, I know he had to ask “permission”, but that was to marry her…NOT the timing of the announcement).
She shouldn’t need to write an OP-Ed about her miscarriage for the Windsors to do the bare minimum i.e not trash her in the tabloids. And if a miscarriage was the one time the courtiers would not trash her in the press, then I hope her and Harry never go back.
Edit: And I think it’s interesting that Sykes, who in the past has bragged about his aristo connections and has said a daughter of an Earl is his top source, admits that the palace handled Meghan badly. I wonder if that’s a view the wider aristocracy holds? They dislike Meghan, consider her an outsider and will never accept her but also grudgingly admit to themselves and their peers that the palace did not “deal” with Meghan “properly”
It is huge that Sykes has pointed out that the Palace was behind the press harassment. The royals were harassing Meghan through the press just like Thomas Markle. Sykes just let the cat out of the bag.
And it points out the different treatment. When did the Palace ever approve of the press harassing Camilla, Kate, or Sophie?
Yes, he’s admitting that the palace NOT sending out the courtiers to trash Meghan is a “reset” for their relationship and a big deal and because of the topic involved, which means that before they WERE sending out the courtiers to trash her.
Which we obviously knew, but it flies in the face of the palace pretending they were soooo supportive and pro-Meghan and that the bad press was all her fault.
Yep. Add him to Peter Hunt, Dan Wooton& Emily Andrews who indicated palace briefings against Meghan in particular.
And another article over the weekend pointed out that the Firm was quick to circle the wagons& protect Camilla from backlash from latest season of the Crown, including closing twitter comments so queried if they are moving like this over a TV drama, why wasn’t this done for Meghan who was facing fake stories& way more nastiness in the press and on the Firm’s social media.
Agreed. This is a huge admission. And it sounds like they’re refraining quite grudgingly.
@ABritGuest I love that they are pointing out the inconsistencies in how the women are protected.
@Kalana…this is the highlight of the story for me. That the palace(s) would have Courtiers or whoever going to the media about Meghan.
This story that is being spun by the RR that Harry and Meghan left to make a fortune and be independent because they wanted to do things their way is thrown out the window.
Harry and Meghan left because they were being smeared by their family through the RR. They could not trust the people who should have been supporting them.
I see the comments on articles and the British Tabloids did a wonderful job of setting a particular narrative, especially about Meghan.
The Courtiers actually don’t have a lot of work to do. The people who read and believe the RR’s stories make the comments for them and keep the narrative going.
It is truly horrible.
Yeah, the whole “no one was briefing against Meghan this time” just shows that there were palace sources actively briefing against her before.
I think the op-ed caught the palace and the RRs off guard in that even if the palace knew about this, they did not anticipate its impact and how moving it would be and how it would become a significant international story. And, I do think many people were reading the op-ed and then looking at the royal family and thinking how cold and heartless they were, so the royal family probably realized, on some level at least, that this was the time to keep their mouths shut.
Is this a reset? I doubt it. But I do think this hammered home for the royals Meghan’s international appeal/reach and how she 100% does not need the royal family to get her message out, and never will again – and that may be a tipping point.
Agreed. And I also do think that for this scenario, the palace staying silent was best. Anything negative would have been seen as cold. Anything positive would have been seen as fake and “where was the compassion before?” questions would have been asked.
I don’t think it’s a truce at all either. It’s just the palace realising that if they opened their mouths, they wouldn’t be able to spin it to their benefit, even if they used the rota.
I don’t think it’s the subject matter that shut them up. They could easily have framed it as cruel that distant relative Y “learned about this tragedy in the press because Megan is sooooooy cruel”.
This is the effect of The Crown. The chatter for the past two weeks has been about how snobby and cold and judgemental that family was towards Princess Diana. I’ve seen a huge spike in posts now understanding why Harry left. The tide of opinion is shifting and the palace senses it. They’re going to be moving a lot more strategically until the next season.
@Julie while I don’t deny that the Crown played a role, I also do think we shouldn’t brush off the actual miscarriage as a reason. Even Piers Morgan decided not to attack and Richard Palmer was sympathetic because his own wife suffered a miscarriage too.
I think the aristos are not impressed with the RF not for throwing Meghan under several buses but for washing their dirty linen in very muddy waters in public. The aristos are just as bad but the concept here is one of keeping the faith and keeping certain things private and not losing face with the public
Imagine thinking that not abusing someone is a reset. They should be thankful to The Crown for being lenient in the portrayal of their characters.
Sophia, I think has more to do with the aristocracy being jealous and feeling some type of way that Meghan did not care to be a part of their social set. Meghan, for all her outsider-ness, was actually a bit of a unicorn too, and while not wanting to welcome her into that world, they remain flummoxed and offended she did not care to endear herself to them and their ilk, denying then the opportunity to reject her (which is their biggest pastime). They are miffed she didn’t give them the time of day to mistreat her. Unlike keen.
I doubt it because so far whenever the Royal family gets into trouble they focus on something M&H are doing to distract. It is just that someone for once realized there would be more negative repercussions to it if they did it this time and did not.
They will trash her whenever it is convenient. They knew trashing her over this would generate backlash. No one on their side wants that. They may be the most PR incompetent corporation but even an idiot would know better than delegitimising a miscarriage.
The fact they didn’t come out to rip her to pieces means nothing.
I agree with this. They will go right back to ripping her to shred when it’s convenient. They are probably busy trying to figure out how to protect Camilla and Charles by throwing Meghan to the wolves. Just give them a few more days, they will come up with something and it will be open season again.
I totally agree. Why should the Sussexes want a reset after all that has happened. Anything that happens from now on must be on their terms. The Sussexes really hold the power. They are thousands of miles away in America but the Palace must watching their every move, and factoring in what to do or say next.
If they had trashed them in any way it would have come back and bit them hard. I still think that Top CEO rushed out her ‘ground breaking’ survey earlier than planned to ride Meghan’s coattails.
One thing is clear, the Sussex’s are still in contact with the RF but only certain members who clearly are NOT sharing information with a certain other household.
Plus I think the bad PR they are getting from the Crown might be giving them the reality check they need. People now see that they not only didn’t stop the harassment of Meghan but certain factions/people inside the households and family were actively participating.
I think the royals they are in contact with are the queen and York princesses and occasionally Charles. But never ever ever William. I think the fact the queen knew about the Frogmore sublet but kept quiet means that harry will only communicate with those who he can trust, if he even trusts any of them at all.
One thing I hope they realise when watching the crown, is that this story in the future will not reflect well on the Keenbridges. They are basically Charles in this, and harry and Meghan are Diana. Everyone knows it’s a smear campaign and we all know who’s behind it. Today’s press will cover for William, but how will this look in 30 years from now.
If Charles and Camilla are getting shit for something they did 30-40 years ago, then William and Kate really need to look at how the smear campaign that they orchestrated is going to reflect on them further down the line.
@ BnLurkN4eva and @ Digital Unicorn, I agree with you both. The Firm will certainly in the near future return to bashing Meghan and its won’t be long. They have an agenda and Meghan is the sacrificial lamb. As for Keen, she certainly jumped on top of Meghans curtails to ride on this wave as I have seen an unprecedented amount of Keen articles lately, including Hapers Bazaar, though I never read any of her so called ground breaking “news”. All of a sudden it’s what she learnt by her long and deeply thought out 5 question survey. My god, Keen cannot allow a Meghan to have one moment of spotlight in the press. Is she that insecure that she must storm the RR’s the minute that Meghans piece came out!?! Or is it that she knows how magnificent, articulate, brilliant and popular Meghan is and she will never amount to one tenth of the magnifying that Meghans is and will be. As for an affirmation to resetting the rift, don’t hold your breathe, because they will be up to their old antics soon enough. Also, lest us not forget that PWT will never let go of his anger and jealousy of his brother as long as he lives.
“People now see that they not only didn’t stop the harassment of Meghan but certain factions/people inside the households and family were actively participating.”
Seeing how they went after Meghan also reinforces the idea that they previously did the same thing to Diana, and makes it easier to see details in the Crown as valid. Diana had flaws of her own, and played her own media game, but when she talked, for example, about the role of “the grey men”, it appears, from what we’ve seen of Meghan’s treatment, that she was speaking the truth.
It’s like when you dump a toxic dude and they’re like “you’ll never be anything without me!”… Only to go begrudgingly silent when you build your own success.
If this is the Windsor’s making progress than man if that bar is set low. Not making a derogatory statement about a miscarriage. Wow.
Thank you! On what planet is not attacking the wife of the family matriarch’s grandson for opening up about a miscarriage restraint? And the fact that it was ever in question of how things would go? These people are seriously deranged.
Sykes is snarky, but he’s one of the few who has consistently acknowledged that The Firm really screwed up with their handling of Meghan. That being said, they’ll likely be back on their bs the next time she opens her mouth (to not reveal tragic news). Their silence was a PR decision, not one born out of newfound empathy.
RF are some clowns 🤡… that’s all I got
“The royal family deserves no medals for showing themselves to be human” – I love this line, a great burn.
Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but to refer to it as “deeply personal” after Meghan published an op-ed does come across as a criticism to me.
When they’re saying they’re not going to comment because it’s personal when Meghan’s whole point was that it’s personal and something that should be talked about more to help everyone going through it and for compassionate reasons, it feels like they just straight up didn’t get it at best and critical at worst.
But then the royals wouldn’t know compassion if it bit them on the nose.
This is the palace showing restraint. Any outward criticism would have exacerbated the backlash they are already getting from the Crown.
I read it that way too. A somewhat veiled criticism because Zara Tindall has also spoken about her miscarriages. I also think the Sussex lawyers are involved which may be why the tabloids and the likes of Piers Morgan are being careful. Extreme emotional stress can cause miscarriage. What the Palace and the tabloid press have subjected Meghan to could certainly cause great stress. The dailymail comments were supposedly being moderated but many were abusive and defamatory. I reported a particularly nasty comment which stated that the baby was better off dead than being born to Meghan and Harry. As well as being grossly offensive and defamatory such a comment carries an implied threat to Archie. The Mail is legally responsible for moderated comments. I hope the Sussex lawyers have screen shots.
Brit here. TBQH. I don’t see things ever getting adequately sorted out (i.e. public and written support of The D&DoS.) We much prefer to bury our heads like ostriches, sometimes for months, the RF seems to prefer decades. My personal opinion is that they are fuming, incandescent even. I think we may only see H+M+A+? with The RF in 2022 for the Jubilee. As time goes on, I find myself thinking “What is there to comeback to for them, they were meant for bigger things” The Queen is only interested in her heirs and I do not trust Charles or William one teeny bit not to quietly “punish” them :’(
Harry will return for diana’s statue. And i sincerely hope that when that happens archie and meghan are in Cali.
Did Harry release a statement that he was coming for the unveiling? Because if I remember correctly, KP sent out that press release that both brothers would be there. It was odd that Will would make a statement about this event 1 year in advance and making a point that Harry would be there; the RR were in a real tizzy about that piece of news. I’ll believe it when Harry says something.
If he returns for the statue unveiling he will get that he’s “capitalizing on Diana again”. If he doesn’t return it will be “he doesn’t really care or Meghan wouldn’t allow him.” There is no winning in the situation. Of course, if William is invested, he isn’t just capitalizing off Diana. Either way the press will have their spin.
I have my doubts that Harry will come back for the unveiling, especially if KP invites the media to it.
He should not go back there alone. Then Kate and William will want him ‘crawling back’ and he can walk a few paces behind them with Kate coming over to have a “giggle” with him. Too sickening for words. Meghan’s place is at her husband’s side. Also the social media and media will want Harry never to go back and the QUeen take their son from Meghan.
@Tessa-
Forget Harry ‘walking behind’ them.
William has NEVER hidden his contempt for Meghan.
Be it briefing against her via his press lackeys. Or publicly snubbing her at the Commonwealth service and ‘scarfing’ her at Sandringham.🙄
The BRF and their minions – Tom Bower, Celia Walden, Arthur Edwards, Hugo Vickers – have let it be known several times that Meghan isn’t welcome back.
I don’t want her to be in a situation where she’s solidly around people who have made very public their disdain for her, simply so the paps can get their pictures.
And the troglodyte columnists can have yet another Sussex vs. Cambridge story they can milk for years.😑😑😑
I hope Meghan blanks Britain for the next 5 years.
Harry and Meghan are grown adults and whatever decisions they make going forward regarding the UK I am fine with. I trust them.
@Tessa Harry is a grown man who has been in a warzone. He can handle standing next to a bunch of jerks for a couple of hours on his own.
@ Hannah, I appreciate your input as I am extremely curious as to what the British citizens think about this entire dichotomy. Do the Brits generally dislike Meghan as much as the press present to the world? I cannot imagine a more wonderful person to join The Form to help them move into the 21st century, but that’s my opinion. It would also seem to me that The Firm would be thrilled that Harry has found the love and a wife that he has pined for and is truly happy. It’s so sad that they are incapable from their incredibly toxic attitude that they could not, for one moment, set aside their hatred and jealousy to accept Meghan and welcome her as Harry’s wife and allowed them peace and happiness. I wonder if all of the intensive smear campaign was down to the fact that PWT couldn’t handle having his brother and his fabulous and successful wife within the same country as him and his incompetent and insufferable wife.
They didn’t know because from July till last Wednesday the press was gleefully smearing the couple. Sykes just revealed that all that happened with approval of the palace. So if they knew that the couple when was grieving and still didn’t tell the press to lay it off they are even more horrible than i thought they were
So because they didn’t trash her for having a miscarriage, he thinks things could be “reset”….
The bar is in hell.
After all we’ve seen, I confess the “deeply personal” comment rang more of a bell of “this shouldn’t have been brought to the public” than empathy. But who knows
That was my take. One does not share one’s personal experiences with the great unwashed.
“the ruthless but, simultaneously, bizarrely cack-handed way the royals have sought to censor and control Meghan”
Possibly one of the better summaries I’ve read of their approach. I’m glad someone is pointing all of this out but let’s be honest, not trashing a family who have suffered a miscarriage is setting the bar D&D of Doolittle low.
So obvious the family is a toxic one.
Harry has always been the one with the significant work who was associated with great causes because it showed his interest was genuine and he worked hard at it- not in his personal interest. William had these weird conservatory causes while hunting on the side any other species not so protected in his eyes- so I always thought people were confused about his ‘causes’. It may makes sense in his mind but most don’t understand why one kills some animals but is making speeches about not killing others.
Yet, Harry was always referred to whenever convenient for W, as a bit of a airhead party boy despite all his work in the ‘real world’.
Their wifes are treated the same way.
For the op-ed, it is like trashing Harry for being in the army- there is a limit where the trashing becomes too obvious and it stops there? But the pattern is there for all to see.
How it doesn’t make sense with William is because of the grouse hunting which is on estates that are managed to the detriment of other endangered species but he is criticizing other countries for management that impacts endangered species. And yet, Harry and Meghan are being criticized because Harry gave up the grouse hunts.
I really hate william and think hunting, especially practiced Royal style, is a goofy habit, but hunting grouse or whatever is just not remotely even a little bit like hunting elephants.
When the endangered predators and raptors are killed to maintain the grouse population, it is similar to hunting elephants. Even the estates are managed to the detriment of other wildlife populations. They could continue the hunting but it would need to be restructured; they wouldn’t be able to kill as many at one time.
here in the US, hunting organizations do the most towards conservation — Rocky Mountain Elk foundation, Ducks Unlimited (which is HUGE), Wild Turkey Federation etc…
Those organizations raise obscene amounts of money towards conservation, purchasing and maintaining wetland and migration routes and a variety of other issues. Hunting is not necessarily the opposite of conservation.
Why didn’t the heads together write supportive words to Meghan because of this painful situation she went through? They don’t deserve the good work that Harry did for them…
and Kate, who went to the October miscarriage awareness event!! How could they not incorporate Meghan’s miscarriage into some kind words?? now this comes back to the question of when they told the family about the miscarriage – did Kate just coincidentally do that Oct event? or she did it to show support knowing what happened ? or somehow to make Meghan feel bad?
@ mytwocents, the fact that Keen, out of the blue, promoting a trip to the center was nothing but a ploy for her to ride on Meghan and Harry’s tragedy to show the public that she is a supporter of their tragedy, but make no mistake about it. Keen ONLY visited that center as a PR stunt to make herself look as if she was doing this on an emotional level of support to Harry and Meghan with the goal to make herself look better, nothing more and nothing less. Keen will only venture out in matters that will benefit her and place the spotlight on her, she is insufferable and a petty jealous woman.
It must be killing Baldy that he cannot call Meghan attention seeking about this. No reset, just hands tied on this one. He will probably keep crying day and night over The Crown because that is the only way to try and sabotage Harry’s Netflix deal, and Baldy is deeply jealous of that deal.
Are there paid trolls? On social media I see the trashing of Meghan “seeking attention” and it should have been “kept private” and how dare she do this just when Lupo’s death is being announced (!!!!). Some accuse her of “making it up.” It’s amazing how those posts get to stay and are not removed.
The Sussex Instagram was rife with paid troll bots. I took screen grabs of some of the comments, some of them were racist to baby archie. Most of the bots who trashed Meghan also would praise kate, so no guesses who paid for them. I once saw one comment on the Sussex’s Mother’s Day post saying “ I can’t believe you hired a photographer to take your picture when Kate takes hers herself”. It’s was funny because they didn’t even post a photograph, just a text image of the word “mother, mum, mama” etc. Lol.
I think since they closed their Instagram KP may have bought dormant twitter pages to look like the trolls are genuine haters, cos on twitter it shows the date you signed up. But they do also get genuine nut cases who hate them too.
A lot of the hate accounts make multiple accounts. I know one of the accounts has 71 other twitter accounts. It’s crazy. It was glorious to see a lot of blue checked twitter accounts call out the hate accounts and report them.
I know a lot of people like to focus on the hate comments but Meghan received a lot of positive comments that drowned out the hate. She has helped so many people with her essay. A lot more people feel comfortable with talking about it. That’s all she wanted.
71 accounts?!! Who on earth has the time and energy to deal with that? It must be someone with no job, family, or friends because that’s abjectly insane. Some of these people really need interventions — this is scary, unhealthy behavior. JFC
Aside from how wrong and disgusting it is, from a logistical POV, imagine logging in and out of 71 (!!) accounts over and over again every day? It’s beyond comprehension. I will never understand the level of vitriol these people have toward Meghan — and that they have maintained this level of hatred since 2016, never once letting up. It’s just staggering.
@Lorelei, the reason they can do this and are so dedicated is because some of them are being paid to troll Meghan. Not long ago one of them actually slipped up and admitted they were being paid to attack her. That explains the dedication some have at spending all day signing in and out of accounts to post horrific things about her, it’s their job. Now I am sure there are some account holders who are simply unwell and their particular concern expresses itself this way. Then there’s Meghan’s sister and her followers who are driven by pure hatred, which frankly is another form of unwell. How else does one explain having someone live rent free in your head like that.
I’m sorry but I don’t think they deserve a medal for not publicly trashing Meghan *one* time. Their actions here were 100% selfish; they knew how awful it would make them look, considering the subject of her op-ed. This is literally the only time someone on their staff ever made the correct PR call.
In any other situation, they would have sent the vultures out, imo. They are vile, ignorant people who never learn from the past and just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again with each new generation.
I sense that even though they didn’t get their mouthpieces to trash her, that Willie still desperately wanted to. I’m pretty sure behind the scenes he was incandescent with rage. I bet his first thoughts when he heard about the miscarriage were about himself and what he action he should take. He’s a selfish prick, and I bet he and keen didn’t have one ounce of sympathy for them.
I am sure they unleashed the paid trolls they have on payroll to mange the job when they weren’t able to use their mouth pieces in the BM. Sane humans do spout the things some have said in response to Meghan’s op-ed unless they are being directed to with the incentive being a paycheck.
They don’t have to put out propaganda anymore. They now have their loyal fans on SM to make the comments about how “Meghan is just seeking attention” and “it probably is a lie” or “the surrogate miscarried” along with pictures supposedly showing Meghan’s bump with Archie sliding down to her knees. Are there really people stupid enough to believe that happened in public and no major media picked up on it or reported it? These morons with their photo shopped pictures are beyond disgusting.
Equally or even more vile, shortly after Meghan’s essay dropped, a troll reached out to another one and claimed that Samantha told them Archie is a lie. She never had a baby and this miscarriage is another big lie.
I cannot understand how much hatred these entities have (I cannot call them human) to latch on to ANYTHING that viper says about her half sister. Even Stevie Wonder can see Samantha for what she is. Lying just for the heck of it.
How do they think Samantha has these insights when she hasn’t seen Meghan in years?
Samantha is even more of a stranger to Meghan than you or I are. She has no relationship with her or connection to her, hasn’t seen her in years and did not grow up with her. They share DNA, that’s it. The only connection Samantha had to Meghan was via their father, who could have fed her information, but Thomas has been out of the loop since the wedding. He has nothing to feed her either.
I’ve never understood this whole, she has a pillow under her dress thing. It’s also said about other women, so not just Meghan, but what the heck? and who would lie about a miscarriage? i also read some awful comments that ‘ IF it’s true then it’s sad, but it’s hard to believe Meghan because of all the lying she’s done.’ When has Meghan ever lied?
Those comments are sickening.
Disgusting misogyny, that’s all it is. A lot of people truly hate women, including other women. Very sick stuff. They also pushed this crap about Beyonce when she was pregnant with Blue Ivy, the pillow/fake pregnancy garbage. Awful, awful people.
Agreed. I’ve seen it said about Kate for years (that her bump was fake and she didn’t actually carry George. Probably Charlotte and Louis too although I was off those sites by then.) There was a cottage industry devoted to claiming Beyonce faked her first pregnancy. I remember it being said about Katie Holmes too. It’s such a weird conspiracy theory to latch onto. Maybe it matters in the case of a royal heir, but otherwise why would a celebrity go through that charade?
You know what’s funny @MYTWOCENTS ?
If you go back to post of Kim Kardashian ON THIS SITE, saying Kim was pregnant with a pillow baby, when she was carrying Saint. It was ridiculous. If we were to look up the comments on any Beyoncé posts that was saying she wasn’t actually pregnant with Blue, I’m sure we’d find then there too.
In the end, a few years down, Harry and Meghan will be the one ‘relevant’, as really simply put: a monarchy in 2020 or even 2030 is an anachronism that should not warrant nor justify more family members abuse or disrupting children upbringing by overemphazing the importance of one above the others (as we saw was the case in the past).
@ MLouise, you make an excellent point and are spot on!! Harry and Meghan have left the ship as it sinks and they will continue to inspire and promote great endeavors and philanthropy as the years pass, with the Rf looking dated and archaic. My father used to say, lose the battle to win the war. Which eventually, Harry and Meghan will do brilliantly!!
The courtiers are too busy firefighting the backlash from crown and spamming the public with Kate’s project. The other shoe will drop shortly.
The Royal Family failure to smear Meghan this time has more to do with protecting Kate and nothing to do with a “reset” of relations between Meghan and the Palace. Kate has put herself forward as an advocate for children and mothers and recently did engagements around Baby Loss Awareness Week. The Palace condemning Meghan for speaking out would have damaged Kate’s reputation. It was unfortunate that KP didn’t seize on the opportunity to amplify Kate’s voice on this issue by retweeting Meghan’s article and reminding its followers that she visited Tommy’s etc in October but they’re not known for smart and forward thinking. I still don’t believe that Harry told the family about the miscarriage because there was no let up in the briefing against Harry and Meghan during and following the time of the miscarriage and had they known the information would have been leaked to the papers.
I am wondering if Thomas Markle is going to leave her alone now.
Sadly he won’t. He will be wheeled out around Christmas time to whine about dying alone at this time of year etc He has other children and grandchildren he does not see but Archie is the one he whinges about.
why have he and Samantha been so quiet lately? are the Daily Mail et al paying them?
I agree this is not a reset, their hands are tied as commented above. No way KP knew about this very much in advance of the editorial or it would have leaked. I agree with other comments that perhaps Charles and the Queen were informed of the pregnancy and/or miscarriage but were threatened to keep it confidential (how would that be worded I wonder). Regardless of who and when, Harry has made it abundantly clear to his family that he does not trust them and that he’s putting his and Meghan’s interests first. That’s got to be really really galling. That’s the kind of insubordination that the royal family really has a problem with and little experience dealing with
They are already trying to nudge the conversation back towards criticizing them for the Netflix deal when The Crown, blah blah. I’ve noticed more of those comments and articles creeping back over the weekend, as if they want to change the subject back to an area they’re more comfortable with.
Yeah, I noticed that. These people will never release H/M from their tentacles of doom.
Congratulations to the British Royal Family for not being the absolute worst kind of trash in this one instance of someone dealing with a profound tragedy.
Ugh.
That’s the best they can do.
That’s literally as good as it gets for them.
Only done to save themselves because they would have been dragged to beyond if they had sent their proxies out to attack at such a time. Never fear, they will be back to their old tricks again because, why learn when you are never truly held accountable for your actions. Worse that happens to them is a cycle of bad press, they are old pros at that.
No reset. Too much damage has been done.
It seems like there is no reset. William, Kate, the courtiers, and the Royal Rota are at it again. Trending worldwide, they all couldn’t hack and believe Meghan’s global acclaim for “The Losses We Share” and the successful exposure she got from it obscuring Kate’s Early Years launch which was a dud. Now they are touting Kate’s readiness to take on controversial tasks based on the pronouncement of a body language expert Judi James. She assessed that Kate’s body language in her latest video is professional, caring, and shows an air of authority that is determined to make an impact. Really now? After 9 years ? Lol.
Also these Cambridge sycophants and Sussex haters in the royal family and the royal Rota are now all over the press harping that the Sussexes will soon lose their HRH and face a total exit from the Royal Family in the March 2021 review. No chance for a favorable review .
They are seething with anger and consumed by intense envy because no matter what they do, they cannot dim the light of Meghan’s international impact and appeal.
Why is it so f*cking impossible for the Queen to simply say something like “Our sympathies are with Meghan and Harry at this sad time” and leave it at that.
Honestly, this family….they are the embodiment of selfish, unfeeling toxicity.
The BRF truly believe that they are the pinnacle to which others aspire. The world has now seen otherwise but yet they still believe.
I think Sykes is being highly naive. They didn’t care about her well-being when she was pregnant with Archie. I doubt they care now.
The only reason the BRF haven’t attacked Meghan and the op-Ed is because it had such a global outpouring of support. They are using her painful experience to try to make themselves look good, while only acknowledging Harry . The next time they do anything, they’ll be attacking them again
This family is full of abusers. At the moment the abusers have to keep quiet because they look bad, but they will never stop abusing H&M. They did the most evil son possible… they left the abuse. And just like with Diana this family will haunt them until the grave.
You say that Chrissy Teigen had a miscarriage. I’m pretty sure she was past 20 weeks. Miscarriage is a medical term that refers to pregnancy loss prior to the 20th week of pregnancy. At 20 weeks and later, a woman usually goes into labor. Legally, there is a live birth. There is no intervention that can be taken for the baby, but the baby is born after hours of laboring. You just hold the baby until he or she passes on. There is a birth and death certificate. You will lactate, as a painful reminder of what was lost. As an example of the difference, is that if you have family life insurance, it may be covered because it was a live birth. Writers should be careful with medical terminology. It makes a difference to those of use who have been through it. Miscarriage is not an interchangeable term for any negative pregnancy outcome.
They’ll have their next line of attack ready for the British press to launch by Christmas. I’m certain they’re seething in their (relative) silence because they know they’ll sink the palace into an even deeper PR disaster otherwise. They’re also seeing yet another demonstration of the fact that Harry and Meghan are easily drawing global attention and making an impact without them. Between the ongoing discussions of Meghan’s op-ed and the nonexistent reception of Kate’s “big project”, the RF is likely feeling extremely resentful right now. The last week will only serve to deepen the hostility they have towards Meghan.
I’m keep hoping Harry and Meghan bought a winter vacation home in Aspen or somewhere and drop the news that they will be spending Christmas there this year and every year.
A reset is what happens when both sides want to start the relationship again on new terms — I don’t think that’s the case here.
It seems like it is the royal family (and the reporters they feed) that keep offering new terms or conditions for improving this relationship, and all the while Meghan and Harry seem to have simply moved on. It’s the brf that is constantly discussing the one year review and griping about money, not H and M.
This would be like if you quit a toxic workplace and your manager kept emailing you about potentially upgrading your office if you were to reapply – at some point it just seems desperate and sad, and reinforces that you were right to quit in the first place.
It’s not a reset unless both sides want to engage!
Exactly. It’s just like when they were having the one sided competition with the Sussexes and the Cambridges when H/M were still working royals. the Sussexes were just out there doing the work they were doing to the best of their abilities and the other ones kept reacting to whatever the Sussexes were doing by using the BM to trash it. Now they keep threatening the one year review that the family asked for and Harry reluctantly agreed to. Even though H/M have made it clear they are done, by paying back monies, not taking further monies, buying a home with mortgage and signing a lucrative multi-year deal, they are still being threatened with this one year review. Cancel your lucrative multi-year deal, or you might not be able to return to the family! Give up your deals, or it won’t be good for you at the review! Stop existing, or we will take your titles and a way back to the family! It’s like, what else is there left to say to convince these people that H/M are out and they are determined to stay out.
Unless Harry and Meghan committed treason in the UK their HRH’s better remain. One it puts the spotlight on Andrew. Two the Biden administration means a new Justice Department and a more intense interest in the Duke of Yuck. They better hope the FBI doesn’t want to talk to the Sussexes about Andy.
I couldn’t have said it better:
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/palaces-reaction-to-camilla-backlash-proves-meghan-double-standard/news-story/65b123f1a4c87a678abe01a54c7f9ad7
The quote from the article I completely agree with: ” It is horribly fitting that this week, after Meghan published a personal essay in the New York Times revealing she had suffered from a miscarriage earlier this year, that the palace and Clarence House have both remained tight-lipped, refusing to publicly comment or to offer any sort of public sympathy for the couple.”