When did Prince Harry inform Buckingham Palace about the second Sussex baby?


There is, in my mind, still a lot of doubt about just how much contact Prince Harry has with the Windsor clan. I think he speaks to his father often enough, but it would not surprise me at all if Harry and William barely had any contact, and that Harry merely communicates with his grandparents through official channels. Like, I think it’s notable that Harry went through official channels last year to request that a wreath be laid at the Cenotaph and he was refused by the Queen, through official channels. I would guess that it was the same way when Harry informed the palace about Meghan’s miscarriage too – just a call to the Lord Chamberlain or someone like that to inform them that the news was coming out. So who did Harry call for the baby announcement?

The Queen led the royal family tonight in congratulating Prince Harry and Meghan Markle after the couple announced they were expecting their second child. The monarch, 94, shared her joy along with the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales and ‘the entire family’ after the the couple announced they were preparing to welcome a brother or sister for their young son Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: ‘Her Majesty, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales and the entire family are delighted and wish them well.’

It is understood the Duke and Duchess of Sussex told the royal family in advance of making the news public.

[From The Daily Mail]

While the Palace statement came out like 30/40 minutes after the Sussexes’ announcement, there were royal reporters claiming that the Sussexes’ announcement took the palace “by surprise,” or that the palace was only informed of the pregnancy minutes before the announcement. Considering all of the palaces leak like sieves, I would assume that Harry probably did inform the palace on Sunday, maybe an hour before the announcement or something like that. I also think it’s notable that the only statement is coming from Buckingham Palace and that they’re speaking for the whole family? Like, Charles has a huge communications staff at Clarence House. Charles didn’t think to issue his own “I’m hugely pleased to have another grandchild” statement? And again, radio silence from Kensington Palace. I bet they had some idea that Meghan is pregnant (just reading the tea leaves like all of us) and that’s why we got that story about Kate and William trying for a fourth.

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  1. Noki says:

    I have never seen so many comments on any story on the DM,I saw an actual 19k on the Diana -Valentines announcement how is that even possible?

    • Angel says:

      They hate her but they are obsessed with her. Meghan Markle bring them most engagement out of everyone in that family this is why they will never stop talking about her. I f**** hate them.

    • Belli says:

      Seething obsession and heavy bot usage.

      • Ronaldinhio says:

        There also seems to be no understanding of – ‘here is information I am happy to share with you ‘ and ‘you owe me and may literally sift through my rubbish and hack my telephones and that’s okay’
        Being in charge of your information and how it is used is consent based and this is what they cannot bear
        They do not wish Meghan to have rights to her own self. They have picked the wrong lady to battle

    • Cecilia says:

      There were about a 13k on the birth certificate story so it’s really not that surprising

    • PrincessK says:

      It really is unbelievable, the level of obsession over a couple that they pretend to hate.

    • Mila says:

      Me too it so crazy! I wonder if it’s fake because the Sussex stories literally get 9k 10k comments! I don’t even get why the fuck you would care that much especially if you don’t like them.

  2. CC2 says:

    I think they knew ever since Meghan postponed the trial thanks to their sources. But because they’re legally bound to shut up, they actually kept quiet. Could explain the Baby no. 4 rumour too. Harry called right before as a formality probably.

    • Julie says:

      I don’t think they did know until an hour to the release. I dont believe the firm would let their staff publicly argue with a pregnant woman who previously had a miscarriage about her first child’s birth certificate. Not because they care about an unborn child or the mum, but because it could have triggered a Diana-esque turn in public perceptions if the stress harmed her or her child.

      And frankly if Charles and QE knew and still allowed that crap to go down as it did, Harry has infinitely more self control than the Buddha himself. The Harry we know and love would be righteously raging.

      • SURE says:

        I wonder wether QEII and Charles knew about the pregnancy and H’s “righteous rage” at the Palace’s dishonest, self serving response to the BC controversy triggered the couple’s decision to flick the Oprah switch? STRAW. CAMEL. BACK!

    • Nic919 says:

      I agree. The trial was adjourned for personal reasons and it was obvious that reason was pregnancy. So this was discussed in court and the judge forbid anyone in the court to disclose this information. That’s why it didn’t hit the papers. But there is no way that news didn’t get to the palace. And considering the miscarriage, maybe someone had sense not to leak this to the tabloids.

      So basically the announcement of the pregnancy was what they learned on short notice, not the actual pregnancy.

      Also it is interesting to note that the Cambridges are excluded from the BP response. And unless I haven’t seen it, I don’t believe they have said anything directly from KP.

      • The facial expressions and body language in all those photos above taken at the memorial service are so revealing about the true dynamics of that family. I’m so glad the Sussexes took the leap to thrive not just survive.

      • Dl says:

        Is it me? Every time I see these pictures it looks to me like Katie Cannot is walking like her poo smells like roses, the rest of the worthless bunch look embarrassed and a little intimidated. Harry looks like he wants to choke the poo out of Katie Cannot and Megan is just trying to keep poor Harry from killing someone.

      • Itsme says:

        @Di, I share your view. I think when William sat down, gave a cursory nod at Harry and completely ignored Meghan, Harry was ready to rip into him. Harry can deal with his brother’s crap but he’ll be damned if his wife and the mother of his child is treated like $hit. Kate is nothing to Harry. His world doesn’t end if she doesn’t talk to him. However, when she releases her inner horrid bitch at Meghan she becomes persona non grata. I hate to pass opinion on anymore but damn, there is absolutely no instance in which Meghan deserves the absolute hatred that has been thrown her way. They are better people than I. My ass would’ve stood up and taken my husband’s hand and walked our infinitely better butts out of there.

  3. Lemons says:

    So, this sounds like, they were aware and should have prepared a statement/comms strategy in advance. Could have been done after a morning meeting by EOD. Instead, they were “caught off guard”/unprepared as usual.

    Also, why would you be caught by surprise when you were able to issue a statement the same day? Just tell people that “surprisingly” you were asked to do your job. These people are so weird.

    I’ve seen stories that they were informed days ago, so this is why we got that weird Kate article about trying for a 4th, trying to insert herself into everyone else’s real baby announcements.

    • mtec says:

      …” so this is why we got that weird Kate article about trying for a 4th, trying to insert herself into everyone else’s real baby announcements.”

      LOL once again the Cambridges announce they’re keen on doing something, but the Sussexes actually just do it 💁🏽‍♀️

      • Sandra says:

        @MTEC – Yes, this! I made that connection not long after the baby announcement came out. They had to jump in front of them to announce a hypothetical baby over an actual baby? Not to mention Eugenie having just had an actual baby?
        Bill makes me sad. His jealousy has just eaten him up.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        …” so this is why we got that weird Kate article about trying for a 4th, trying to insert herself into everyone else’s real baby announcements.”

        Yup! Same thing happened when M’s article abt her miscarriage came out. Didnt we see, a few days before the article dropped, that kHate made an appearance at a baby-loss support charity?

      • Nic919 says:

        @carmen… yes now that you mention it, I do recall there being a few days between late visiting that centre, which she had never done before, and the. Meghan’s article.

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    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I think TQ and Chuck were told days ago but the Cambridges and the rest of the family either found out just before the announcement was made or at the same time as the rest of us.

      We all know that if the Cambridges had known before they would have leaked it to Dan Wootton. Something prompted that baby no. 4 story, either it was Eugenie’s announcement or they knew about the Sussex’s but didn’t know when they were going to drop the news. That kinda of story is right up Carole’s tree.

      • Nic919 says:

        I suspect they knew she was pregnant, because the trial adjournment made it obvious and since KP staff was involved I am sure what was said in open court was relayed to them. What they didn’t know was the timing of the announcement, although they probably realized that once Eugenie gave birth that Harry and Meghan would make it public not long after. So we get a stupid trying for baby four on the literal day that Eugenie has her baby. This screams Carole to me as well

      • Yvette says:

        @Digital Unicorn … I also agree that the Queen and Charles probably knew well in advance about the pregnancy and that, since there wasn’t a leak, we can probably assume the Cambridges were left out of the loop on the baby news.

        I seem to recall reading a recent article about Charles wanting all future Sussex related news released through Clarence House rather than Buckingham Palace. Do you recall reading this? If I’m not hallucinating and I did read this somewhere, it might have something to do with the ongoing battle between Buckingham Palace and Clarence House courtiers. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Harry made an appeal to Charles because … leaks.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Lemons: Right?? All of these people are forever bitching about being “caught off guard” by this or that…as you said, they already knew and had the info to write the story, so stop whining. It’s become a default reaction for them to *any* story regarding the Sussexes — to immediately claim they were “blindsighted” or caught off guard…I think they’re addicted to it at this point because I guess they think (??) it makes Harry and Meghan look bad, and not the Palace? They’re forever acting like toddlers.

      And I hope that Harry *did* only tell them shortly before the announcement, if that. They certainly haven’t earned a place of respect in his life in which he owes them any kind of advance notice about anything that he or Meghan do.

    • Kate says:

      I don’t know why the RF thinks it’s a good look on them to say they’re surprised all the time. I know they’re trying to make Meghan/Harry look bad but honestly think its makes the RF look like amateurs. You’d think an institution would have better PR but they’re really terrible. So easy to put together a warm response congratulating a family member on a pregnancy, and they can’t help but fumble that.

      • Agree Lorelei and Lemons — Especially since the Queen hired Sara Latham after the Sussexes decided to step away. I don’t get why BP PR isn’t any better unless the little grey men have marginalized Latham. But, if so, why does she stay. Latham is a powerhouse in her field. She could get another job in a second.

        And, did anyone else see The London Sunday Times article yesterday reporting how devastated and unfair the Palace ‘Inside 4’ are that — because the judge ruled without a trial — they will not get to testify so they could “set the record straight and provide a level playing field”? Just drag, drag, drag…that’s all KP is capable of when it comes to the Sussexes.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I believe The London Sunday Times wrote that article and wrote it as a favor to their professional colleagues The Daily Fail and Fail on Sunday. We are talking professional courtesy and “honor among a$$holes”

        However, I do not believe the “Palace 4″ are in any way devastated or think not testifying is unfair. I can see no benefit to the “Palace 4″ in testifying and do not believe for once second that the “Palace 4″ really wanted to testify in this case. Nor do I believe the “Palace” wanted them to testify. The only entities that wanted the “Palace 4″ to testify were The Daily Fail and the Fail on Sunday.

      • HeyJude says:

        Exactly. “Surprise” all the time says “we’re ineffectual, out of touch, and obsolete even among our own families”.

        They really should stop saying it it makes it look like they can’t even manage their own households let alone to manage being ceremonial heads of state and involved in world affairs.

        They look perpetually inept.

      • Itsme says:

        😆😅. When you put it that way…..they’re revealing themselves to be absolute twits.

  4. Snuffles says:

    I think they guessed she was pregnant like the rest of us but weren’t told until Sunday like the rest of us. Probably an hours notice and probably only the Queen officially.

    I’m sure KP is SEETHING and Clarence House/Charles is probably disappointed.

    • Ginger says:

      I think this as well. I think it was just right before it was made public. The fact that the RF didn’t have time to put out a statement speaks volumes. They also may have found out when the public did and are trying to save face as well.

    • AVEA says:

      And let’s be real, they deserve to be treated like the general public and not family. The thought of Doria being the first to find out makes me ecstatic

    • sunny says:

      This. But honestly, after the way that family has leaked and briefed against them, as well as their tragic loss last year, no way was Harry joyously spreading the news to his family until it was absolutely necessary. His family has proven over and over, they can’t be trusted.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        Exactly this, Sunny.

        Also, the Palaces need to put Meghan’s full name on her first child’s birth certificate again, before the next one is born.

      • Mila says:

        Please no point sharing good news with a family who wishes evil over you. Add that the Sussex us were sensible enough to keep this completely private from the Windsors.

    • Myra says:

      I think they were told when they needed to know. If it was an hour or five minutes beforehand, that’s when the parents felt they needed to know. The Palace have a history of leaking with regards to the couple so it’s natural that there is mistrust there. That they felt they needed us, the general public, to know how surprised they were by the announcement, proves that not informing them earlier was the correct approach. A simple congrats on their part would have sufficed.

      • tee says:

        “ That they felt they needed us, the general public, to know how surprised they were by the announcement, proves that not informing them earlier was the correct approach” this!!!

        Any competent organization would have at least feigned preparedness, but the Firm is so focused on being petty and spiteful that they always need to throw a bone to the tabs for a negative spin. Just dreadful.

      • Over it says:

        Well petty didn’t want half in half out, her and willyleaks threw their weight around at Harry and Megs. Private citizens who pay their own damm bills can tell the world whatever they want whenever they want. It was personal when they,miscarried. The palace was cold then with no warmth of a statement. So Harry and Megs took that to mean they don’t care either way so I don’t see why the palace needs to know if they are pregnant again or if and when they tell the world. You can’t have it both ways house of Windsor .

    • Frida_K says:

      I’ll bet they are incandescent with rage over all of it.

      INCANDESCENT, I tell you!

      • one of the Marys says:

        @Frida_K I think so too, every bit of Harry’s success is eating away at his brother. That man must be terrible to deal with

    • Lorelei says:

      @Avea ITA with you that they deserve to be treated exactly like the general public. They have not earned the right to hear things like this from Harry in advance (they once had that right, but they chose to throw it away).

      I know this will make me sound petty and awful, but I have to admit I giggled last night at the knowledge that Kate was probably seething with anger and jealously.
      If she had treated Meghan better, I wouldn’t have that reaction, but she was so hideous to Meghan when it would have cost her nothing to be kind, so I have zero sympathy left for her at this point.

  5. MsDiMeanOur says:


    was that necessary?

  6. Becks1 says:

    I think the family knew, but how far in advance – I’m not sure. I also don’t think they were expecting the announcement yesterday. But I think they def knew, hence the weird story about the Cambridge’s trying for a fourth.

    Also I’m howling at the tabloids reaction. So much “no one cares” but damn if they don’t put the picture on the front page. I am also laughing that they still deliberately pretend not to know what “privacy” means in this context.

    Finally – the comments about “upstaging Eugenie” cracked me up. There was nothing to upstage.

    • windyriver says:

      The story could have come out in relation to Eugenie’s giving birth, or because the RF knew about Harry and Meghan, or because US Weekly just made it up. But how telling that people here think Kate is perfectly capable of pulling something like this, inserting herself into the middle of someone else’s narrative for attention.

      I wonder if Eugenie was aware of Meghan’s pregnancy, and has waited to announce her and Jack’s baby’s name because she knew Harry wanted to announce their news on the Valentine’s Day anniversary of Diana’s announcement about Harry.

      • Julie says:

        Wasn’t that baby born a week ago? I don’t even know because it’s not a running point of interest. All these people are at baby making age, their pregnancies will step on each others media.

      • Sandra says:

        I don’t think I’ve ever seen more pathetic, sad, black hearted people who would put out negative, mean headlines about a baby announcement. About a couple who had recently had a miscarriage. I don’t know how H&M do it.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        I think Eugenie knew, given how close she seems to be to Harry (close enough that he lets E & J live in his residence, even if he got pushback from Charles and William for it). I also think Harry and Eugenie don’t care about the timing of each other’s announcements, and there is no hidden agenda between them; the birth and pregnancies happen when they happen, and it’s not a big deal to either family. But I think *Kate* is the one scheming to have the attention diverted to *her* hence the tabloid leaks about planning to have baby #4.

      • Mila says:

        @ Mrs.Krabapple I think that if anyone in the family knew it was you Eugenie and Jack, who the sussexs are closest to. The whole upstaging stories are incredibly sad a pathetic I mean what kind of family is jealous or upset about another family member announcing their pregnant? Like similar stories to do with Keen, I don’t think it was Eugene who planned or linked it she doesn’t seem to have that nasty vindictive jealous streak that the others do and never plays to the drama/rumours to my observation. I don’t think she would ever want to be used as a vehicle to abuse her cousin and pregnant cousin in law.

    • Sofia says:

      Most people pretending to be outraged on Eugenie’s behalf don’t even care for her like this ever, didn’t know who she was before 2018 and/or laughed at her and Beatrice constantly over the years.

      • JT says:

        Eugenie seems lovely, but let’s be serious, nobody cared about her birth. It was barley a day before even the RR were linking her baby’s arrival with H&M. Even in the thumbnails for the arrival had pictures of the Sussexes, which is probably why her birth got any play at all.

      • Sofia says:

        Same. I don’t mind Eugenie and even think her and her sister got some unfair press over the years but she’s just not relevant enough for a lot of people to care about her.

        Plus Eugenie gave birth 5 days ago. That’s plenty of time in the spotlight considering how much people care for her (and it’s not much). I’m not trying to be rude but that’s just how it is.

      • Becks1 says:

        That’s exactly what I said on Twitter re: Eugenie. She’s just not the huge deal that the anti-Sussex people want her to he (as in, this announcement didn’t upstage anything because everyone had moved on from Eugenie.) that sounds harsher than I mean it to be, but it really is just that most people who think about Eugenie think “I wish her well” and that’s it.

      • Nic919 says:

        Most people saying this don’t even know the difference between Eugenie and her sister. Waiting five days after Eugenie’s baby was born is more than enough time. These people are fools.

      • ABritGuest says:

        This. I posted last week that Eugenie’s birth only made 1 U.K. national newspaper front page. It is what it is. Yet some people online talking about Eugenie’s spotlight being ‘stolen’ by Meghan have no posts about her baby news and are calling her Eugenia 🤪

      • PrincessK says:

        Yes, the York sisters have been bullied almost as much as Meghan. The comments about them have been dreadful over the years.

      • Jaded says:

        The Yorks are pariahs and have gone doggo due to Andrew’s vile involvement with Epstein and Maxwell, and it appears the BM are staying away from anything that will draw attention to him and his grifting ex-wife / ever-present cheerleader. No doubt this directive comes from Buck Palace so I imagine we’ll see very little about Eugenie’s baby.

      • Mila says:

        Funniest part, most of the people commenting that didn’t even know how to spell her name right (I was seeing ‘Eugenie’ ‘Eugeni’, ‘Eugenie’ and all the likes through their faux outrage 🤣🤣) let alone knew who she was, she is just a flogging stick for Meghan they don’t care about her at all.

    • GraceB says:

      The stories are pretty crazy and tbh I’m surprised that the Sussex’s even announced this. I’m sure they must have had some idea that it was just going to start up the whole crazy show again. I’d have loved it if they didn’t bother to announce until after the baby was born

      • one of the Marys says:

        But the whole crazy show is confined to the British tabloid media isn’t it? Where they live now they have lots of personal and public support. I hope for their own sanity they’re not monitoring that media themselves but task someone on their staff to do so and only respond if necessary.

      • Chelsea says:

        I feel like it was already so obvious that if they kept it up any longer it was going to get scooped anyway. TMZ still is of its habit of telling the world people are dead before their familes know because they pay off doctors and cops and the last time she was papped that oversize jacket barely did thr job of covering her bump. At least this way they can announce it themselves and also with the release of the picture they can help take down the amount of money firms wouls have been willing to get the first shot of the bump.

        And the American press won’t harass them like the British press so at least they dont have to deal with shit where they actually live.

      • SwirlmamaD says:

        That would require her keeping as a hermit until the baby is born. Yes it’s safer at home but the poor woman wouldn’t even be able to leave her property for a walk with Archie. She doesn’t owe anyone a self-imposed exile. Also, for all the haters, there are many more of us fans who are elated for them and are truly happy to hear this news — I know it made my Sunday!

      • Mila says:

        I saw someone on a Facebook page, someone said the sister works as a part-time role correspondence for the BBC, and that paparazzi have actually spotted the Sussex’s and seen Meghan was pregnant and that there was a bounty on their heads to catch the first big picture of her baby bump, it was late to them so they had to get ahead of the story, which forced the Sussex is to release it early then they wanted to wrap rather than later. Steve this is a Facebook comment and Facebook is crazy but it seems very plausible because the next day I saw an article can’t member who is by saying that the Sussex is actually wanted to release it during/after the opera interview.

  7. AVEA says:

    That whole “the announcement took them by surprise” thing Screams “hey Daily Fail and other tabloids write about how horrible Meghan and Harry are for not telling poor old Liz and Phil they will be having another great grandchild because we are egotistical petty assholes and everything has to be about US feeling saaaaad” to me. They just can’t help themselves.

  8. S808 says:

    I saw some reporters say they were told right before the announcement dropped. Wouldn’t be surprised if only Charles and the Queen were notified seeing as they were the only ones to mentioned in the statement. I hope the people at KP found out with the rest of us.

    • JT says:

      I agree with this as well. The queen, Philip, and Charles were specifically mentioned so they’ve must have been told. And to be honest, they are the only ones who matter in terms of hierarchy. I think the “surprise” came from KP. There is some weird energy around W&K right now in regards to the family’s interactions with them. First the queen snubbing them at the new firm photos and now being left out of the congratulations. I wonder what is going on.

      • Harper says:

        Yes, this. Maybe the Queen is disappointed that Will didn’t congratulate Eugenie on the birth of her baby. She would want the Firm to show a united front, and Andrew is her favorite. Will could be becoming gradually more defiant to how the Queen wants things done and flexing his FFK power. Maybe Will’s threatening to leave like Harry every time he is told to do something he doesn’t want to. Anyway, I’m waiting for KP to acknowledge this pregnancy on their own. There is no protocol that says they cannot.

      • harla says:

        I think you’re in for a long wait Harper. I don’t believe that KP will acknowledge Meghan’s pregnancy at all and I would be very surprised if they acknowledge the birth. If it’s not about W&K and their spawn, then they don’t care.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Between the instances you’ve noted and the weird Sandringham setup, it feels like the Queen and Charles MIGHT finally be trying to rein in the Norfolk Nuisances. It may be a case of too little, too late. They’ve done too much damage and at least some of it is irreparable IMO.

    • Mila says:

      I bet they sent them a few minutes before just saying‘ pregnant lol (as they should)

  9. Justine says:

    I guess wanderwill is now very ok with a fourth child !

  10. ABritGuest says:

    Considering that the Times had a story yesterday about how shocked the palace aides were not to be able to give evidence at trial in Meghan’s case, I’d be surprised if many in the Firm knew before yesterday.

    • Izzy says:

      The exact same reporter previously wrote that they didn’t want to testify. All of those assclowns need serious psychological help.

  11. RoyalBlue says:

    The family were told, but it’s the staff that were caught off guard. In other words, the leakers a.k.a. the secretaries, chamberlains, communication staff, spies, ladies in waiting, butlers etc. were not informed, but Prince Charles and Petty were told.

    The clowns are all dripping with sarcasm, and at the same time, WTH, the news was ALL over Twitter yesterday. the global ripple effect these two have is incredible.

    • Jaded says:

      Don’t forget the CLO (Chief Leaking Officer) Wandering Willy. He and Kate must be punching the walls in fury over this one.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        CLO, Leaker in Chief, William Bald-win himself! His little plaything Harry is gone. Harry was his to punch around, and now that he is gone he just has Edward and Sophie to boss around, and they are no fun.

        Kate is depressed that she has to spend the rest of her days in her prison zooming. We all know she hates work, so doing this boring (to her) work while seeing Meghan getting the attention she craves must be driving her bonkers.

  12. Phoenix says:

    Honestly, I don’t care. I am happy that they announced it when they wanted it and they did it personally, without the control of the Palace and that petty family of Harry’s.

  13. harla says:

    Why are the rr’s writing “delighted” in that way? It seems like it’s barely veiled sarcasm. Anyhow, I hope that Harry told the queen and his father about 10 minutes before the announcement was made, those people don’t deserve anything more.

    I don’t think that Harry will be back in London this summer for any reason, even if travel were allowed between the 2 countries.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      The do that to insinuate that the RF isn’t actually delighted that Harry and Meghan are having another child – it is all to further the narrative that the royals don’t approve or like the Sussexes.

      • harla says:

        That was what I thought too, how very petty and cruel. I don’t think the rr’s realize that by doing things like that it really makes the royal family look bad. Or maybe they do realize that and that’s what they’re going for.

    • Red Weather Tiger says:

      As rotten as I think The BRF is, the palace PR machine used the same language in Eugenie’s baby’s birth announcement.

      “The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh, The Duke of York, Sarah, Duchess of York, and Mr and Mrs George Brooksbank have been informed and are delighted with the news. “

      So either they are throwing shade at Eug too or that’s just the standard phrasing. The fact that they use the same words for every bit of baby news suggests that no one is working hard at announcements, and a response could be produced in under thirty seconds.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Neither @Harla or I were not referring to the Palace response but rather the way that the reporters wrote “delighted”. The reporters are definitely trying to give the impression that the royals aren’t delighted in the way they are doing their reporting (i.e. by using scare quotes around the pertinent word).

      • RedWeatherTiger says:

        Ahh, I see. I guess I missed that the quotation marks were IN the actual RR article. My apologies, and they should be ashamed of themselves (of course they are not).

    • Itsme says:

      For some reason the “we wish them well” annoys the crap out of me. It’s not a phrase I would use for my siblings, parents or dear friends. The words are an indicator that the relationship is distant and communication between the parties is not not on a regular. I don’t think Kate, Eugenie or Zara received the same “wish them well”. I know I’m probably over thinking it, but it stuck out to me the first time I read it.

  14. MsIam says:

    I wouldn’t blame Harry and Meghan if they didn’t mention it to the family ahead of time because this “family” seems to give them minimal public support. It was crickets about winning either of the lawsuits. But honestly it could be them wanting to wait to say anything until they were further along after having the miscarriage last summer. And leave it to the tabloids to be salty about a new baby announcement.

  15. Cecilia says:

    KP also didn’t congratulate Eugenie on her baby. Im no royal expert but something tells me that there are problems between the other royal households (and family frankly) and the Cambridges

    • Snuffles says:

      Yes, a pattern is forming. Kensington Palace is probably isolating themselves from BP and CH as much as they can. I’m sure the whole family know that the Cambridges are their main problem these days. The reason for the rift with the Sussex’s and the lack of any coordination or communication with the other courts.

      • Cecilia says:

        I honestly still believe that when the sussex well starts drying up the masks will slip and clarence house will be in a full media war with KP. Charles might not be able to salvage his own reputation but he can bring william and kate down with him. I don’t think he appreciates how the media has been talking like w&k are already king and queen consort.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        When it was announced that Harry and Meghan would be moving their operations to BP, a couple of royal reporters (can’t remember who…maybe Ship was one of them) were pointedly noting how isolated KP and its heads would be from everyone else. They were claiming to just talk about distance, but the implications were there.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        There have been talk about KP leaking about other royals as well – and at least one article straight out said that they leaked about Andrew. KP seems to be a leaking sieve in general, not just about the Sussexes.

  16. Over it says:

    Those tabloids headlines are disgusting, they didn’t say they were disappearing just living their lives on their own terms with their own money. Also I found the megnificant one completely vile. I would like to get a hold of these British media people and beat the shit out of them . I swear I am not a violent person but they bring out the worst in my imagination when they go after megs with the racist crap.
    We all know that Kate loves attention except when it comes to actual work. Her and her balding wanker guess like the rest of us that meg might be pregnant so hence she wants another baby. Like I said before she needs to have everything be all about her. Zara and Eugenie can’t have anew baby and her none. Pippa can’t either all thought I don’t think Carole bucket cares about pippa children like she does her ticket to royal life kates children.I am of the firm belief that Harry told them 30 minutes prior to the world knowing, because if they had told them sooner, then it would have been Ricard Kay or that pussy Dan telling the world before Harry and Megs got a chance. This isn’t my child and I am so happy for them. I have been having the best knowing they will have another baby and all seems well with them. I respect Harry so much. What an incredible, beautiful,amazing husband. He is goals for All men . Put the well-being and happiness of your wife and children before your own selfish needs. William could learn so much from his little brother but he would have to grow the F up first and become a man and not an incandescent rage machine.

  17. Belli says:

    I don’t think they could have known more long before the announcement because there was no leaking whatsoever. We know that if they had told William, Dan Wootton would have been putting it out there minutes later.

    But they must have known that the moment they told the family, they would have to tell the world if they wanted the news to break on anything even vaguely resembling their own terms.

  18. Linda says:

    They could only have told the RF about the baby within a short timeframe before they announced it as it would have been leaked by their frienemies in the RF. They can’t trust any of them.

  19. L4frimaire says:

    That certainly is a coordinated response to say they were caught off guard, which they most likely were not. I think they were informed ahead of the announcement, and knew the Sussexes would have their own people put it out. They saw the overwhelmingly positive international reaction to the news, then decided to put out their statement. People noticed the reticent lukewarm response to the miscarriage so hopefully they’ll keep a lid on their real reactions. It was said at the time they officially stepped back that the Sussexes have no representation at Buckingham palace and will speak for themselves. These Rota people are so pissed about this, especially after Meghan’s court victory. Just so happy and excited for them.

  20. Amy Bee says:

    I believe Harry told the Royal Family just before the official announcement. He can’t trust them with any information because it will get leaked to the press.

  21. Miss M says:

    Interesting that William and Kate are left out of the statement, just referring to them as “family”. Makes me wonder if Harry even told William in advance.

    Also, the palace didn’t have a statement prepared? How long did it take them to write “we are delighted”. They had to get that dig in.

    • Izzy says:

      Well, considering how inept the palace communications staff are at everything else they do, it comes as no surprise that having to prepare a statement at a moment’s notice, based off the template of at least five other announcements of its kind, would be a nearly insurmountable challenge for them.

  22. TheOriginalMia says:

    So very happy for Meghan, Harry & Archie. I’m glad she’s had the time to enjoy her pregnancy and pass the scary time from her miscarriage.

    If anyone knew, it was Charles. No way Petty Betty and the Cambridges knew ahead of time. They would have leaked that instead of the birth certificate.

  23. Lizzie says:

    Per the queen, ‘you are either in or you are out, there is no half in’. You basically threw Harry out and had no words of sympathy after the miscarriage. No surprise that H&M didn’t coordinate statements or timing with the palace.

  24. Bibi says:

    American Birth certificate watch…

    • L84Tea says:

      I’m willing to be Meghan’s name will absolutely be on this one!

      • Bloemheks says:

        @L84Tea It will and their titles won’t be.

      • A says:

        I am honestly so curious to see what Harry puts down for his name, since he can’t put down his title. There are no kings, or princes, or royalty of any stripe, in America, and that is probably one of the better outcomes of the American revolution, if you ask me.

        I think he’ll put down Harry Wales, or maybe Harry Mountbatten-Windsor. I wonder if they will choose the latter bc it’s their kid’s surname so they want to keep it consistent? Either way, the best part about it is that it’s their decision, and no one has to know anything about it unless they choose to divulge that information. Die mad about it British tabloids!!!!!

      • windyriver says:

        When Archie was born, Meghan and Harry had to file a Report of Birth Abroad with the US embassy/consulate to initiate the paperwork to establish Archie’s US citizenship. They were able to put down their names as they wished, as it’s a matter for the US State Dept., and not subject to any of the “directions” of the RF/palace.

        That document, as well as any birth certificate for any children born in the US, are private, and we won’t know anything about them unless they make it public – and why would they?

    • Edna says:

      I don’t think American birth certificates are easily accessible to the general public. If I’m not mistaken they, like other official documents, are governed by privacy laws to help prevent identity theft, etc.

  25. Molly says:

    If Charles didn’t know, then they’re definitely not in regular FaceTime conversations like the press has led us to believe. (Or with anyone in the family.) You don’t hide a bump that big trying to keep a squirmy kid on video. Maybe they communicate with a rigidly cropped frame like work, but that’s super weird too.

    For all of Charles’s faults, I believe he truly loves Harry, Meghan, and Archie. I hope he knew, even if the comms staff was caught by surprise.

    • Amy Bee says:

      If Charles knew, it would have been leaked to the press. He’s not an honourable man as some here seem to think he is. I think this news confirms that there is little to no contact between Harry and his family and as Kaiser said communication is probably done through official channels.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Agreed. I never believed the BM’s occasional stories of family Zoom calls and check-ins. Those stories only seemed to pop up when it suited the RF’s image to have a connection to the Sussexes.

    • Sydney says:

      He loved them so much the future king sat on his hands and watched his son and family get bullied out of town. Charles walking Meghan down the aisle is bare minimum niceness and haven’t done anything else since. He defended Camila more than his own son and daughter-in-law.

      • Amy Bee says:

        Charles walking down Meghan the aisle was to gain good PR, nothing more.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles did get a lot of PR for himself walking Meghan down the aisle but he said nothing when his own grandson was likened to a chimp by someone in the media.

    • Guest says:

      Charles said nothing as his daughter in law was dragged through the mud, but he was perfectly fine using her for good pr at her wedding. But the cherry on top of the cake was he said nothing when his own grandson was compared to a chimp. Hes just as shallow as the rest of them. He made his bed and now he can lay in it.

      • molly says:

        I’m a Charles apologist, I know. His entire life is duty and crown and press and perception and royalty. He has no idea how to be Just a Dad or Just a Grandpa, but I believe he wants to be.

        (Or at least he did in the early days when the boys were kids. As the press has moved to social media and cruel comment sections, the Never Complain/Never Explain approach no longer applies. His silence becomes approval.)

        I suspect if he gets important news. Anything, baby or otherwise, he tells his senior courtiers and runs it up the chain to the queen. Because he’s not a dad or a grandpa first. He’s always the Prince of Wales first. It’s ALWAYS crown first.

      • A says:

        @molly, I’m not a Charles apologist, but I do understand what his own situation is. Like you, I don’t doubt that he has good intentions, probably very good intentions for someone of his rank and standing tbh. But he is extremely limited by those exact things, which have the sad effect of drumming into him a degree of self centeredness that takes a lot of unlearning, and has frankly been disastrous for his personal relationships as a whole. But I think that you’re right in that he wanted a very different life for himself, but he has never had any idea how to get that, beyond just letting things simmer and boil over when it’s too late.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles oddly never had a one on one photo op with his only granddaughter (so far) Charlotte. Just with the male grandchildren.

  26. smee says:

    Took the staff by surprise? So they had to issue a press release? Probably used the same one from last time, just updated slightly. They truly are monsters! 🤔

  27. Charfromdarock says:

    I’m not in the Communications field but how difficult can it be to issue a statement that it’s wonderful news and they are happy for the couple etc.

    • Amy Bee says:

      The Comms team is on call for breaking news, so the excuse that they didn’t have time to prepare a statement rings false. It is clear that relations between Harry and his family is almost non-existent and on a professional level only.

  28. Nic919 says:

    So many numpties are going on about why Meghan would sue for privacy over a personal letter but yet make her pregnancy a public announcement. And yet somehow they never questioned when Kate announced her pregnancy with George , after she had sued over her privacy rights being violated with the publication of the topless photos while vacationing in France. Why are only the white duchesses allowed to determine what they want to reveal to the public?

    • Over it says:

      Yes yes . Sick of these racist asswipes. It’s her body, their child. They pay their own bills. To hell with anyone who has a problem with the way they choose what to disclose and what not to.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Yep Kate is allowed to sue for her topless pics (even though she apparently wasn’t bothered about everyone seeing her tits). But still invites the worlds press to gather around her lady parts as she gives birth.

    • S808 says:

      They all know why and they all know what privacy is but they’re so bitter about Meghan winning her case, successfully leaving the country with her child and marriage intact AND successfully making a way outside of the royal family. They’re SO SO SO bitter that the golden goose has escaped and it’s their own fault. If they can’t make money off of her, she needs to disappear in their eyes. That’s why these tweets and petty covers don’t phase me. It’s so obviously coming from a place of bitterness.

  29. Steph says:

    CH and KP don’t seem to have been getting along lately. I wouldn’t be surprised if Charles knew but not W&K.

    They got a lot of blowback on the trying for a 4th announcement. Do you think they’ll take that into account or see the positive reception of Eugenie’s baby and H&M’s announcement and think they can upstage them?

    I think Meghan might be a bit further along than the pic suggests. I know LA doesn’t get winter like that, but it still seems their clothes suggest this pic was taken a while ago.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      I think she’s further along too. The bonus of this photo and the announcement is the privacy it grants them. We don’t know exactly how far along she is and we can only guess that her due date is spring/summer. This hopefully keeps the likes of TMZ and other media outlets at bay when it’s time for her to give birth.

      • Steph says:

        Yeah, I think that’s pretty important here. I don’t know if it’s the only available hospital in LA but everyone uses Cedar’s Sinai. Without a good grasp on her due date she can avoid the paps.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        I believe strongly that her due date is in May.

        May….the Heart of Spring…..is H&M’s season for historic markers in their family: their marriage; the birth of their children; the purchase of their forever home; the start of their new life as free & independent royals.

        Spring: the season of new beginnings.

    • Mia says:

      I’m in Southern California:

      The grass makes me think this pic was taken around 10 days ago because things have been greener since the rain and the weather was a little too wet for that dress before then.
      It’s been reasonably warm in the afternoons and sweater weather in the mornings/evenings.

      I’m very happy for them – I’m so irritated that I only have a man to talk to about it in lockdown, he literally said “So?” to me yesterday about it. Rude.

      I bet BP were informed with the same press release reporters got, and KP weren’t informed at all. I think not including KP in the barest communication is H&M way of poking Will like ‘you’re number 3, you’ve no institutional power as yet’.

      I think BP/CH also lie about being in touch with H&M a lot because they’re intimidated by their popularity, and they want to maintain the illusion of having authority.

      P.S. I’m so happy to think Doria was the first to know 🥰 I just reread that Oscar de la Rente thing about her outfit at the wedding. That perfect sage green 😭💚

  30. Over it says:

    I made the mistake of clicking on that link Kaiser posted with the daily star tweets and someone listed as mucky rack whatever that is I don’t keep up with these sites,anyway she seems like a ray of sunshine. Bitter ugly racist jealous bitch . Eugine gave birth days ago and no one cared pass that day. I mean people are Happy for her but let’s be honest no one pays attention. So it’s not Harry and Megs fault if the world is obsessed with them because they are way more Interesting and photogenic. People keep saying she far along but Megs tummy Also popped early with Archie. This happens to some people. She is a tiny woman. British people not all but the racist royalist are fringing nuts .

    • Lady D says:

      Almost half the comments I read yesterday identified Eugenie as Beatrice. They couldn’t even keep the name of the princess they thought they were defending right. LOL

  31. Midge says:

    How incredibly tacky and petty of Wil and Kate to leak that they are “trying for a 4th,” obviously timing that news to compete with Harry and Meghan’s announcement?! Anyway, nice try Cambridges. You are just not that interesting .

    • MsIam says:

      That was a tacky story and the fact there was no pushback from KP, at least none that I’ve seen, leads me to believe they might have had a hand in it. That story was picked up by multiple outlets. Then again, Us Mag is almost as bad as InTouch, running a “Kate is having twins story” every six months.

      • Nic919 says:

        Cosmo picked it up though. While the rest are total rags, cosmo isn’t that bad yet, so I suspect Carole helped that article along.

    • Ginger says:

      The only good thing about that ridiculous article is the dragging Kate and Will got. They always get dragged. The British press try and make them seem more popular than they are. I don’t think anyone REALLY likes them. The ones that do just hate Meghan.

  32. aquarius64 says:

    I think Harry told the queen and Charles ahead of time, as fitting as monarch and heir apparent. I think W &K and KP overall were not kept in the loop therefore the salty tabloid stories courtesy of Bill. The Cambridges left out of the congratulations shows the world William has no real power and the brothers’ feud is still on.

    I also noticed a release stated both families were notified. I doubt the Markles were told ahead of time given Scammy’s recent hit piece and the recent ruling involving Bad Dad’s actions with the letter. If anything Doria may have sent TT a text before the world wide announcement in case he runs to the tabloids to claim he was not told.

  33. Cee says:

    This is what happens when your family is Chernobyl levels of toxic.
    My dad’s toxic family was made aware of my mother’s pregnancy the day I was born.
    Envy and ill-will are negative energies that affects us, especially pregnant women.

    They are treating the Windsors fairly. They haven’t earned any special treatment.

  34. newmenow says:

    Even with all the ugliness we have learned about behind the scenes in the BRF, I still would like to think that Harry called his Dad, Brother and Grandma with “Hey! We got #2 in the oven,”

    Life is too damn short.
    Make a peace everyone can live with, at least in private.

    • Carmen-JamRock says:

      Yeah…no. Definitely not the brother.

    • Dropbear says:

      Make peace with family members who have been toxic, abusive and cruel towards you, your wife and child over and over? Hell no. Life is short. Best to leave the toxic family, go no contact and live your best life in peace

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      That’s not possible in every situation and sometimes you can make several attempts to do just what you suggests and still things don’t improve, it takes both sides for these things to work out. After awhile you have to move on and leave it be, I think that’s where Harry is with his family. People who thinks he should keep beating himself against that rock have no point of reference and should learn to trust those in those situation to handle their situation the way they think best.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      Ooh, y’all! Carole Middleton found the blog.

      In all seriousness, yes. Life is too short. It’s too short to excuse abuse from your horrible family that happens to have the ear of the tabloids who *also abused your mother.* Too short to give grace to people who smeared your beloved spouse & child. Too short to be asked to make nice with people who are complicit & defensive of racist institutions that have committed every grotesque abuse possible in the service of white supremacy & stolen wealth. Harry & Meghan’s grace & peace are theirs to enjoy, not anyone else’s to demand.

    • Nyro says:

      Girl, bye.

  35. Itsme says:

    I know I’m going to sound like a $hit disturber but….what are the odds that they’ll fly back to the UK for the little one’s Christening?