Prince William speaks about his grief & joyful memories associated with Scotland

Duke and Duchess of Cambridge tour of Scotland

Prince William, the Earl of Strathearn, arrived in Scotland on Friday. He was there throughout the weekend solo, and Kate will join him on Monday. These photos are just from some of his solo events on Friday and Saturday, like his formal welcome as Lord High Commissioner in the Ceremony of the Keys at Holyroodhouse, complete with some kind of troop inspection or something. He also visited Spartan’s FC to highlight mental health, and that somehow involved William hanging out with football players and kicking around the ball (“mental health”). On Saturday, William acted as Lord High Commissioner to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland for the opening of the General Assembly. It’s an annual thing with a revolving list of Windsors asked to do it every year. This is weirdly William’s first time as the Lord High Commissioner even though he’s nearly 39 years old and will one day be the head of the Church of England and be the state of state of the UK. Willingham gave a lil’ speech:

“Her Majesty The Queen has asked me to come here in person to reassure you of Her pledge to preserve and uphold the rights and privileges of the Church of Scotland,” he said at the start of a lengthy speech, noting that “one day, it will be my responsibility to swear my own oath to maintain and preserve the security and independence of the Church of Scotland.”

“My appointment is therefore both a great honour, and a humbling opportunity. It is my duty today to speak, but equally I am here to listen. In Scotland this week I will have my eyes and ears permanently open. There’s so much to see and to hear about,” he added.

During the speech, William, 38, also spoke about his personal connection to Scotland, sharing stories about his wife Kate Middleton as well as his late mother Princess Diana.

“Along with listening this week, there is something I do want to tell you. Scotland is incredibly important to me and will always have a special place in my heart. I’ve been coming to Scotland since I was a small boy,” he said. “Scotland is the source of some of my happiest memories. But also, my saddest.” As his speech continued, William shared that he was at the Balmoral “when I was told that my mother had died. Still in shock, I found sanctuary in the service at Crathie Kirk that very morning. And in the dark days of grief that followed, I found comfort and solace in the Scottish outdoors. As a result, the connection I feel to Scotland will forever run deep,” he said.

“And yet alongside this painful memory, is one of great joy. Because it was here in Scotland – twenty years ago this year – that I first met Catherine. Needless to say, the town where you meet your future wife holds a very special place in your heart,” he added. “George, Charlotte and Louis already know how dear Scotland is to both of us, and they are starting to build their own happy memories here too. We have no doubt they will grow up sharing our love and connection to Scotland from the Highlands to the Central Belt, from the Islands to the Borders.”

[From People]

It’s weird because I thought we had established that Kate and William met before St. Andrew’s? While they “fell in love” in Scotland and really got to know each other in Scotland, it’s not where they first met? Or maybe he’s always forgotten meeting Kate pre-university, when she must have been desperately trying to throw herself in his path for years. Perhaps they really did meet at uni and Kate’s attempts at throwing herself in William’s path were always unsuccessful pre-uni.

As for what he says about his mother… it’s strange because of his elegance, and because his elegance was used as a cudgel against Harry. Meaning, Harry is still being ripped apart for “talking about Diana” and those royal commentators were like “see how William never talks about Diana, that’s the healthy and elegant way to do it.” And now William is suddenly referencing his mum yet again. Anyway, I’ve always wondered how he really feels about Balmoral and that odd, crushing, grief-stricken week he and Harry spent there following Diana’s death. It’s also odd that William made a reference to finding “sanctuary in the service at Crathie Kirk that very morning” because the Queen asked that no references be made to Diana’s passing at the service. Harry was so reportedly so bewildered by the lack of public grief in church that he asked if his mum was really dead.

The clenched jaw and tightly balled fists were an interesting choice for church.

Duke and Duchess of Cambridge tour of Scotland

Duke and Duchess of Cambridge tour of Scotland

Prince William, The Duke of Cambridge

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  1. Aurora says:

    He looks pale and ill in some of the pics.

    • Kaiser says:

      Someone said he could be feeling the side effects of the vaccine? IDK.

      • Becks1 says:

        It’s possible bc the side effects are reportedly worse if you’ve had COVID.

      • swirlmamad says:

        This is true, and very much the case….although it’s usually just 1-2 days that you’re out of sorts and then back to yourself. I can’t remember now when he had the vaccine — the beginning of the week?

      • Detnow369 says:

        I had COVID and had side effects for weeks after the vaccines and know many others that did, too. 1-2 days is a general estimate. Younger people are also experiencing side effects more than older people. With the older population getting the vaccines first the 1-2 day estimate seemed to be based on their experience but younger people certainly feel the effects and longer than a day or two.

    • Amy Too says:

      The full body one where he’s walking with his fists curled, he looks like Mr. Burns. He seriously looks like at least a 60 year old man, with the stooping and the pasty face. He looks old and ill and just so very unattractive.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        Amy all I see is Mr. Burns when I see Cain.

      • Coco says:

        To me, he looks like one of those illustrations of human evolution, except a species a couple stages before Homo sapiens was shaved and put into a suit.

      • Dl says:

        The curled fists was at the funeral. All the men held their hands like this. I thought at the time it was strange but perhaps they are taught To do that with their hands at formal solemn occasions?

      • nana says:

        @DL-Why are you here spreading lies? The first picture of this post shows Nicola Sturgeon behind a clenched-fist William. So, not the funeral. All the men wore black ties at the funeral. This picture shows William is wearing a green tie. I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make, let alone why you chose a lie that is so easily disproved. I am so sick of lies and ignorance.

      • Dl says:

        @nana I am Not spreading lies. I said Nothing about what they Wore at the funeral. I asked a question concerning the clenched fists. Why don’t you learn to read and stop calling people liars!!!! How dare you!!!!!! I noticed the same hand behavior at the funeral. I am quite well aware this is in Scotland. I am well educated and do not attack people or their character for asking a question. Perhaps you work for the BM? You are just as good at twisting stuff and calling people names. You have a nice day and try not to be so nasty.

      • nana says:

        @DL-You are right. I did misinterpret part of your post. I apologize to you.

        I also apologize for the bluntness of my comment. It is disrespectful.

        The BRF has a bad habit of conveniently slapping on the protocol tag to excuse someone and I over reacted believing that your comment gives support to that camouflage since I have seen too many pictures on this site and across the internet which show the men walking at the funeral with open hands.

        In my zeal to correct, I failed to focus my response properly and I was insulting. I will be more thoughtful going forward.

      • notasugarhere says:

        You can easily do an image search for pics from Philip’s funeral, and no, the men are *not* walking with fists clenched or even curled. Their hands are in the natural resting position if you have your arms straight down from your shoulders.

      • ecsMom says:

        @DI I saw the same thing at the funeral. All the men had their fingers curled. Take a look at the first photo in TMZ (I hate them but its where I found the picture the fastest). I was wondering too if this is what they are taught to do.

        https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/17/prince-philip-funeral-live-stream-royal-family-queen/

      • Dl says:

        @nana thank you. I am on your side. I love Harry and Megan and think they are awesome. Friends?👐

      • Mustlovedogs says:

        Agree Amy Too. Plus masseter muscle hypertrophy. It’s not that common, but I’ve seen this in my clinical days as a medico. It’s why his face has changed shape so much. Why it is seemingly ‘inverted’ now. Decades of incandescent clenching, clamping and champing… That’s my two cents worth.

    • Eurydice says:

      He looks like he’s wasting away. Unhealthy, stressed, on the edge, maybe medicated in some way? And why are there ferrets frolicking in his trousers?

      • Mustang Sally says:

        My first thought was medicated as well – he is very vacant-looking. I am wondering if all of the realizations (truths) Harry is exposing & talking openly about are having some effect on William. He does look very thin and stressed. This has to be a stressful time for the BRF because their evil and hatred is being exposed.

  2. equality says:

    The monarch is not head of the Church of Scotland, she is simply a member. Scotland believes in having actual ordained people represent the church. Will is simply there to give a couple of speeches and observe proceedings. He is not allowed any say in decisions nor is the Queen.

  3. Cecilia says:

    Those pics…. do not look good. You guys, this man is deeply unhappy.

    • Robyn says:

      Well…good. Reaping what he’s sown.

    • Lady D says:

      Let’s all get out our tiny violins for him? If anyone deserves a little misery in their lives, it’s William.

      • Cecilia says:

        I just can’t help but feel that one of these days he’s going to snap. And it won’t be pretty.

    • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

      He can’t keep his lies straight anymore. Didn’t it come out this past weekend/few days (as something to bludgeon Harry with) that “the brothers had a pact to NEVER speak of Diana in public again. And yet…here we go folks! Bringing up “his” mother (not “our” mother) when it can help him. Such a friggin’ hypocrite.

      And we ALL notice the clenched jaw and balled fists at EVERY occassion, EXCEPT when he’s at his football / pub events.

      There’s someone looking forward to what he’s going to be doing for the rest of his life!

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @(The OG). He also did that the other day when he responded to the BBC interview regarding their deceit to get the interview.
        Baldimort wants to completely erase Harry. What a POS he is acting like he is the only son publicly.
        And he does look miserable! Good!! It could not have happened to the most deserving person!!
        I still astounded that at 38 this is the first time he has carried out this tradition!!! My gosh, now they also know how lazy he is. It’s universal around England and all commonwealth countries!!

    • Nyro says:

      It’s the Arthur fists for me.

    • Freddy says:

      I agree, and I think the root of his unhappiness–like his brother’s–is the loss of their mother and then being denied the right to mourn her. I wonder if Charles ever let his sons climb into his bed after Diana’s death, and let them share their memories of her. If he ever held them when they cried at their loss and despite the divorce reassured them of how he loved her and was so lucky that she was their mother. I doubt that, and that’s why these two men, brothers, who once seemed so close aren’t any longer. As Harry said in his Apple + interview–he was reverting to his 12 year-old self, just as William is now reverting to his 15 year-old self

      • Mustang Sally says:

        @Freddy. Awesome insight. Perhaps he is indeed reverting to his ragey 15 year old self when his mother died. I cannot even begin to fathom having to keep a ‘stiff upper lip’ and not mourn her. How horrible to have to shove those emotions down so far they make you miserable from the inside out.

  4. Lauren says:

    I swear I heard this”Scotland is so important for me and my wife. It holds a dear place in my heart, so please doesn’t leave the Union, please don’t vote for independence”. The tories tried so hard to smear the fck out of Sturgeon only for her to win again the elections. I really hope that they do another referendum and manage to leave the Union. Also, Bill desperately needs therapy. He can continue to rage at his brother all he wants, but the bottom line is that Harry has left him behind and he is thriving and in a better place. Bill can choose to stay miserable where he is or understand why he is miserable and do something to better his position. Continiusluìy putting down your brother, sister-in-law, mother, father, and rest of the family is not it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They pulled a similar trick the weekend before the Independence vote last time. Trotted Queen, Charles, William up to attend Sunday church in Scotland. Kate was just pregnant again, 5-6 weeks and already claiming sickness. After having just been photographed in a pub in Norfolk downing a bottle of white wine while William drank red.

      Instead of staying with her, William flew up several days early to have a lads hunting weekend. Then attended Church photo op, hung out a few more days before finally returning to London.

  5. Curious says:

    whats up with all the lumps and bumps on his face. lately his pics looks like he is growing flesh in places he shoudn’t.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      It’s his inner evil coming to the surface.

    • keroppi says:

      I think it’s all his tension and clenched jaw muscles. For someone who loves his vacations, he looks quite relaxed.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      It’s very weird. The constant jaw clenching is really messing with his face at this point. Perhaps Kate can recommend her botox connection. And maybe a wiglet hook-up while she’s at it.

    • Dawning says:

      He is starting to look like Edward (Chuck’s side). It’s amazing how different he looks now compared to his younger days when he looked so much like Diana’s side of the family.
      As someone said: ” He’s gotten so evil, Diana is taking back her good looks.” Now he is looking more like the Windsor side.
      Speaking of which, how come none of Lilibet’s kids look like the handsome young Phillip? I can’t even place Andrew’s looks.

      • ennie says:

        Now that you mention it, I never thought I’d say it, but Edward is now better looking than prince ex-charming here.
        Edward seems to enjoy life more, smiles more and it usually seems an honest smile, and talking to people he looks really interested.

        William really seems that he hates his destiny. He surely loves the perks, but cannot deal with the obligations and even the light work it requires. He really was born to do nothing.
        .
        And those pants are too short and look cheap.

      • terra says:

        @Dawning, I don’t have a real opinion either way – other than to think it would be interesting if it were true considering how pious Elizabeth has always been – but a lot of people believe in the theory that Philip isn’t Andrew’s biological father, but that Liz’s old friend Porchey, the Lord Carnarvon, is.

      • Robyn says:

        Edward looks younger and happier.

      • Robyn says:

        Edward looks younger and happier.

      • FicklePickle says:

        Prince Andrew has a pretty striking resemblance to his grandmother Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, as does his daughter Eugenie.

    • Gina says:

      🤣

  6. Woke says:

    I can’t wait for the day the press turn on this man. Their obsession with Harry and Meghan is becoming really scary. I still don’t understand what’s in it for them to continue to protect William.

    • Cecilia says:

      There was a journo who tweeted something like “i cannot wait until we can blow the lid of about prince william”. He worked for the sunday times. There is truly some dirt on this man that journo’s aren’t allowed to talk about.

      He deleted the tweet. Whatever they are keeping is incredibly juicy and will probably sustain multiple reporters for multiple years. I just hope that their greed takes over one day.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I’m convinced that whatever it is will boil over and be revealed once Liz passes. They are (barely) keeping a lid on it out of respect for her. So until then, they’ll sustain themselves by fomenting hate against the Sussexes.

      • Sid says:

        I am starting to think that there might be some truth to the rumors of a baby resulting from that club stairway escapade that was caught on a security camera all those years ago. It might explain how stressed out he has looked lately, especially if someone in the British press has proof and is itching to spill. I’ve always figured an affair would be a bad look in light of William trying to position himself and his family as the antithesis of his parent, but a good PR plan could smooth that over. A hidden kid would not be so easy to smooth over.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Sid — what club stairway escapade? Camera footage?? Do share more details…..I’ve never heard about this one!

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Well based on that now deleted tweet from a reporter from one of the big newspapers, they are itching to write the truth about him but for whatever reason they can’t – for now.

      The press turned on Chuck and they will turn on Cain!

      • Cecilia says:

        I just think that it won’t happen as long as meghan and harry continue to do their thing (i want them to get on with their life, don’t get me wrong) hating meghan and harry sells just fine. So they won’t have to expose william. Am i even making sense? 😂

      • Brielle says:

        I’m with you Cecilia: Harry escaped and it wasn’t meant to be like that…I didn’t think that Harry couldn’t leave the family until he said that they told him ‘’ you can’t do that’’ so clearly despite everything happening in 2019,the firm didn’t want Harry to leave which is crazy cause he really was living in a gilded cage…

      • Jais says:

        @cecilia- it makes sense I think. As long as they can get hate clicks about Meghan and Harry maybe they don’t need to turn on William. It seems like the hate clicks are still working for them so i assume it’s pretty lucrative?

      • JT says:

        @Jais But they do need to yank his chain every now and again. They may not spill all of the beans if the H&M hate continues to be profitable, but they will let out a few to remind William to toe the line. The hate clicks only work for those who hate H&M any way; they are just sustaining their base. Remember, the press kept the Charles and Diana troubles under lock and key until they didn’t. I imagine the William mess will be the same. It only takes one slip of the tongue to get the ball rolling.

      • Jais says:

        Good point @JT. I don’t know much about Charles and Diana during that time period. How long did the press know about his cheating before the public did? Years? That’s crazy.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        The hateclickswork now, but it’s not widespread. As Meghan and Harry grow to be a more powerful and beloved couple it would be more profitable to turn away from them. Unless William can offer them something better? Which would be feeding them another family member.

        I think the more better connected the Sussex get the less traction the press will have in attacking them outside of their own tiny world. I’m sure they’re getting bored. They want to attack William.

      • JT says:

        @Jais I think the press had always known. Diana said their marriage went downhill after Harry, so I imagine that’s when the press knew and it’s not like Charles was subtle about Camilla either. It was the same with Meghan’s struggles. The press knew she wasn’t doing well, they just didn’t report it and it seems the William situation is the same. They know, they just aren’t saying anything. For now.

      • Desert Lizard says:

        I think they will turn on William after Betty passes. It will come from CH. I think the family feud will burst into the open bc Will and Kate will push for Will to take the throne instead of Chuck. Charles will have to fight back and show why Will is not fit to be King. It could get really ugly.
        I’ll bring the popcorn.

      • Bess says:

        I hope the press does eventually report to the British people what their future future king is really like. The taxpayers deserve to know.

      • Bess says:

        I hope the press does eventually report to the British people what their future future king is really like. The taxpayers deserve to know.

    • SurelyNot says:

      @ Woke — same. Hopefully we will get the entire smear, the hacked phone calls, toe sucking, late night texts to Rose waxing poetic about feminine hygiene products and if we are lucky in the internet age, perhaps some video in the back of the Range Rover. Bonus if it gets him to kick Buttons into the gutter with her family.
      It has been too long since we got to feast on the destruction of a family and at least this time it will be well deserved.

  7. Willow says:

    Every picture I see of him now, he looks so stressed. Like he’s about to explode. The video statement about the Diana interview, his brow was so furrowed and tense, voice so angry. All of this coming out, with Harry’s direct words. He can’t control any of it. And I don’t think he even understands what the problem is.

    • Cecilia says:

      As soon as i saw that video of him about diana i knew that he didn’t write any of it. He didn’t even believe the words that were coming out of his own mouth. Like harry said, he’s trapped.

      • Brielle says:

        Do you mean that he even didn’t read it before being on camera? Like that’s crazy if true…he doesn’t read his speeches?

      • JT says:

        He admits to not ready his briefing notes, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t read the speeches prepared for him.

      • Lemons says:

        @Brielle, I’m sure he read his speech, but what Cecilia means is that he was “going through the motions.” As if he was reading mindlessly something that even he doesn’t care about or feel emotionally attached to.

      • Cecilia says:

        @Brielle what i mean is, is that the speech was written for him by a palace aid and he was made to read it. The palace has spend the last 23 years trying to scrub their image after diana’s passing and has been trying to frame her as unstable and unreliable. What is more believable than her own son coming out saying that she was paranoid and that her words don’t hold any truth? Also, this speech is a stark contrast to what he always used to say about the death of his mother: that it was caused by the paparazzi and the tabloid media (the very same he’s working with today)

      • notasugarhere says:

        William is not a prisoner. He is ‘trapped’ in a cage of his own choosing, from which he benefits daily. He had control over what was written and over what he chose to say. He chose to not only gaslight his mother, but to get in several digs at his brother along the way.

  8. Me says:

    So mad he had to sacrifice a gardening weekend for something so insignificant! Why, oh why do ‘people’ insist he work?

  9. Nomegusta says:

    Bill: Watchu mean they still dont like me? I did the video gaslighting my deceased mother, rigged an attraction poll, kept an eye out for any oncoming bus I could throw my brother and his wife under, told everyone I wasnt racist while working with the same media being racists and abusive against my sil and ‘nephew’, let my in-laws run stories about how I should be the next king…what else do these people want?

    Others: Just be a better person

    William: Nah, Imma a play the Catherine young love card. That’ll show’em. She ain’t doin shit anyways, in this she can be useful.

  10. CidyKitty(CidySmiley) says:

    I guess I don’t see him as looking angry I think he looks stressed. Well, except the photo with the clenched fist – that says angry.

    I hope that he just seeks help. I didn’t watch the entire talk with Harry but it sounds like there is a lot of therapy that needs to be done. And in a way, the way that Harry spoke about it made me feel very bad for William. (Not bad enough that I think his behavior is okay) but from a psychological standpoint it definitely makes more sense. Harry was and is able to find a freedom and happiness.

    Mental illness (and health) is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.

    • Ginger says:

      Harry is lucky he met Meghan. She saw that he needed help and wanted him to see someone. The director of the documentary said Meghan is his biggest supporter and was always encouraging Harry. He is very lucky.

      Kate seems more of an enabler. She should have seen the signs that William needs help. He has A LOT of rage issues.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate and the Middletons used William for his status from day one so she would never want him to make a drastic decision like leaving the family because then she doesn’t get to be Queen consort. It doesn’t justify William’s nasty behaviour toward Harry and Meghan, but he is trapped because his spouse would never consider supporting him in the same way Meghan did for Harry. Kate spent a decade chasing William and making herself available to him whenever he wanted just so she could belong to the Windsor clan. She would never rock the boat even if it was for something that would make William a better person.

      • JT says:

        @Nic19 I definitely agree that Kate has used him and enabled him in order to get the crown, however, I don’t think him getting help would make him abdicate. For starters, I don’t believe he would be able survive without the crown. He is very much happy with his privileges and I don’t see him giving up that status. He couldn’t pull a Harry and be successful; he would would very much be an Edward in my opinion.

        I think William getting help would mean leaving Kate. I just think there is no way he would be with her if he didn’t have so much trauma. For one, a healthy William means no CarolE. He wouldn’t depend on her for motherly affection. Secondly, I believe he would realize that Kate is not the one to help him with his role as future king. He would be able to see more clearly that she isn’t fit to be consort. He would have been able to do the mental work to attract a woman who COULD be up for the job in a substantial way. Like a Rose or Meghan type of woman: highly motivated, smart, and capable. If William got help then or even now, he’d be a completely different person and I imagine he would rethink some of his decisions. Anyone with eyes can see that a woman he chases a man for a decade and does nothing in the meantime, could not do the work of being royal. A healthy William would see that. I think it’s why Kate just manages his behavior rather than trying to help it like Meg did for harry

      • keroppi says:

        I don’t think Will would have chosen someone who challenged and encouraged him. He made his choice in spouse.

      • CidyKitty(CidySmiley) says:

        Your comment about Meghan is spot on.

        I don’t think thought that Kate deserves as much pressure as she is getting. She seems just as much Williams victim as he is hers. They both thought they wanted something that probably doesn’t help them. They are both deeply flawed people. I think William uses Kate as much as she uses him and unfortunately I actually think she is reaping that way more than he is.

        She seems to have very little control in her own life, she seems very listless and has very little “get up and go.”

        Either way, a lot of great points in this thread.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Exactly this, Nic919. Kate and the Middletons have used (and abused) William for their own gain for 20 years now. Deliberately, with Kate being a full participant in all of it.

        And JT, yes, if he did ever seek out help and become a better person? Kate and the Middletons would be out the door. They are users and enablers.

      • windyriver says:

        @JT – I said a while ago connecting with the Middletons was the worst thing that could have happened to William. Like his own family, they (esp. Carole) used and manipulated him, but under the guise of sympathy and understanding, which IMO was additionally damaging. We see Harry give Meghan credit for his road to mental health; what might someone else have done for William? Though, as you say, William was already a deeply troubled man, and, I remember @nota once also commenting, if Will had been a better person, he would have attracted a better partner.

        I disagree someone like Rose or Meghan would be a good fit. They’re both too strong minded and independent for his comfort. I believe William is, in fact, the fragile one, similar to Charles. William and Harry have a common experience of Diana’s influence, and her loss, but the pressures on William, and his issues as heir (and oldest sibling) are different from Harry’s. Like Charles, I think William would do better with, still a confident woman (which may be why he’s attracted to Rose), but one who’s content playing a supporting and subordinate role in the way that Camilla does for Charles.

        I agree getting help would result in Will leaving Kate, but don’t blame her for not being up to the task of being his consort (we know from both Meghan and Diana how little help married ins get from the Firm), because he’s not up to the task of being the FFK. IMO they were in the same place when they got married – neither one intended to do significant work, so didn’t bother developing needed skills. What’s changed is, TQ is 95, Charles is defacto regent, and William sees POW within reach. He’s ready to assume the “statesman” image but, like Kate, isn’t any better at his job than he was before. Also agree that William likes his status and privileges, and though might fantasize about Harry’s freedom, isn’t going anywhere, especially at age 40, and wouldn’t be able to survive on his own outside the RF. Therapy could make him a more content person, help him discover things he’s actually interested investing time in other than football, having affairs, and taking out his anger on everyone, everything, and every situation around him.

      • equality says:

        For William to abdicate his position would be more complicated because of George’s place in line. All the threats people like to use against H&M about the monarch having control of grandchildren would more likely be put to use against William in George’s case. When someone can influence your children’s upbringing and custody that might keep you in line. That may be a large part of how Kate is kept in line.

      • notasugarhere says:

        You cannot abdicate unless you are monarch. He could remove himself from the line of succession, and still leave the kids in. Kate is not being kept in line over fear of losing her kids FFS. This notion that the Queen or Charles would steal the children from either W or K is bunk. In this day and age, they’d be torn to shreds over even suggesting it.

        Kate is ‘kept in line’ because that is exactly where she wants to be. Petted, pampered, working 100 HOURS a year while wasting 150,000 in taxpayer funds on new outfits during a pandemic. In her two massive houses, with dozens of staff, three nannies, and her personal trainer. This is the life she chased for 10 years, this is the life she wants – especially as she abused and belittled her competition (Meghan) out of the country to her own PR benefit.

    • sunny says:

      Hurt people hurt people. Prince William seems like a deeply unhappy person and I hope he eventually gets help for himself and all the people in his life.

      • JT says:

        @Keroppi Will made his choice as a damaged, deeply troubled man. And actually, she wasn’t even his first choice. He wanted other women, he got Kate. The women he WAS chasing seemed to be the type of woman he would need and would probably be happy with. His affair with Rose is a testament to that.

        Houghton Hall, which Rose runs, is gorgeous and the art installations are top notch. She is clearly skilled at networking and has an eye for art and therefore most likely intelligent. She hosts many dinners there, so would be good at diplomacy. She is more in the vein of a Meghan, than a Kate. The women he wanted probably saw that he wasn’t well, which is why they never moved forward with him. Like I said, a healthy William means a different type of bride.

      • Lizzie says:

        Not true, Harry was an equally hurt person but he has always been supportive of his family.

      • JT says:

        @Windyriver I agree with your points for the most part, although to have some slight deviations. Would a rose or Meghan be a good fit now? Of course not. There is no way he could handle such a woman as he is. Even, as you said, a Camilla type would work. She does her work, keeps her head down, and ultimately understands her role. If he had gotten help earlier and gone through extensive therapy like Harry, sure. I don’t think was chasing layabouts before Kate. If he had worked on himself earlier, a Meg, or Rose, or even a Jecca, or Isabella could have been in his sights.

        As far as Kate, I’m not blaming her for her lack of fitness for her role. And again, as you said, they were both at the same point in their lives, which seems to be nothingness. But at 40, there is no reason for her not to have improved. Diana was a teenager when she married in and she trained herself to be better for her role with no help. Even Sophie says you pretty much have to learn on the job. There is no reason for Kate not to have done the same and she knows she’s lacking, hence all of the embiggening articles. But all of that feeds into William’s problems regarding his mental health and his insecurities. If he was healthy he would also encourage Kate to improve, as she is a reflection of him.

      • BlueToile says:

        I am going to go completely against the grain here and say that William and Kate are EXACTLY the kind of king and queen the UK monarchist/Tories want. Not what they need, but what they want. Those people are so caught up in the fairytale facade of monarchy that is all they care about. Kate is super thin, dresses expensively and stays quiet. Will just does what he is told and keeps up his “family man” image. The kids are cute and are trotted out on cue. This is absolutely all they want. They will forever make excuses for whatever these two lack, blame it on H&M leaving or whatever. The UK really does not want a sharp, intelligent, and energetic couple to represent the country. That would just upset the status quo and no one in power there seems to want that.

      • windyriver says:

        @JT, and I agree with your points for the most part! If Will had started working on his issues sooner, yes, who knows what type of woman would have been drawn to him. You can go one step further back, and question, if Charles had worked on his issues, whether he and Diana might have ended up differently. Despite what he said later, if you read the Housekeeper’s Diary, and what she says in the Bashir interview, they had what seems like a promising relationship the first couple of years. Diana described the two of them as a good team. Charles might have come to appreciate her abilities, and, for example, been proud of her popularity in Australia (in the way JFK was proud of Jackie’s reception in Paris) rather than jealous and threatened. And thus we arrive at what Harry’s been saying publicly, it’s time to break the cycle.

        As for Kate, I wasn’t so much critiquing what you said as emphasizing a different point. I’ve found it puzzling too that Kate makes no effort to improve (as Diana did), if maintaining her position is so important. I don’t buy the theory she doesn’t want to outshine William. Plus if it’s true they don’t live together full time anymore, there’s nothing to stop her from working on herself. The only thing I’ve come up with is, she’s doesn’t because she’s angry, because it wasn’t part of the original plan when they married, she wasn’t supposed to have to do any meaningful work, because Will didn’t plan to either.

        And this is where my very limited amount of sympathy for Kate comes in. In a sense, she’s collateral damage from her family’s plans for upward mobility. Carole has her ultimate prize – her grandson will be king (maybe), in part because two people stayed together who probably never should have. It’s not just that Kate was taught marrying a wealthy aristocrat was her goal, it’s that other parts of her development were neglected; she has no interests, no true intelligence or education, no discernable compassion or understanding. Past a certain point though, it’s up to you to look past what you’ve learned as a child, at the people and the world around you, and decide who you want to be. And Kate’s decision has been to double down on all her worst qualities.

      • JT says:

        @Windyriver I agree with everything here. I also don’t understand why she doesn’t improve, as it would strengthen her position greatly. She could actually be the savior of the monarchy instead of just pretending to be. It’s why she and the press are trying to morph her into Meghan; they all know she needs to be more. I guess this goes into your point of her being angry. She didn’t sign up for anything that she has to do now. Her lack of effort may be just straight up rebellion, like a teenager trying to fight back against their parents.

        Also good points about Charles and Diana: they were a good team and seemed happy for a period of time. Had Charles been raised better or had a better strategy, he would have used her qualities/charm for his own image and also found happiness with her. And you’re right, it goes back to his own generational trauma as Harry stated. Harry is really proud of Meghan and it shows. It’s a shame Charles couldn’t see the same.

  11. Harper says:

    Very surprising that he chose to reference Diana less than a week after the Wooten article stating that William was so angry at Harry for breaking their pledge to never speak about Diana again. I think William doesn’t want Harry to get all the attention for grieving Diana.

    Saw some interesting gossip on LSA over the weekend. Some poster casually referenced Prince Incandescent the Elegant as having overdosed, as if everyone knew about it and discussed it thoroughly. Said that was the beginning of the firm giving TOB whatever he wants. Had anyone ever heard that before? Do you think that is the kind of thing the tweets from the Times say they are holding back? It kind of makes sense, especially if the overdose was on purpose as a way to get out of his life. If it was accidental it could still be concerning as to his degree of recklessness. There has to be some reason the Firm lets him run unchecked even to the point of driving his own brother out of the country.

    • equality says:

      Wooten’s article makes no sense in light of the fact a statue is supposed to be dedicated to Diana in a couple of months. And William has always made references to Diana. Not long ago, his children were making cards for mother’s day for Granny Di.

    • Cecilia says:

      @Harper: you are right in your assessment that he doesn’t want harry to be the only one still linked to Di. Remember that “im diana’s son too” article? It baffles me that he would then put out a statement in which he basically calls his mother paranoid. Causing people to remove him further of diana. Those crisis managers are in for it.

      Ps. Anyone knows why kate is joining him later? Instead of being there at the start?

      • Lizzie says:

        Maybe she ran out of ugly dresses.

      • Nic919 says:

        She would not have been needed for the Church of Scotland part but she could have joined in watching the football game. The reality is that these two live separate lives as much as possible and so they will pretend that she can’t be away from the kids as the excuse. Interesting they don’t seem to be as concerned when William is away from the kids for several days.

      • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

        Just adding the extra buttons (that probably had to be covered in the plaid tartan because “Scotland” y’know). That takes TIME people!

    • Nic919 says:

      I have never heard of that story of William potentially overdosing. Obviously we don’t know if it’s true, but there have been hints that William had issues with drugs use before. It was usually implied to be alcohol like the time he chipped or lost a tooth because he was so drunk at a friends wedding.

      • windyriver says:

        Have saved various interesting screenshots from CB comments over the past couple of years, and I remembered this one…

        If you go back to a CB article from January 21, 2018 titled, “Is Meghan Markle Vetoing Harry’s Exes from the Wedding Guest List?” there’s an interesting post re: William’s drug and alcohol use in his 20’s (and Harry taking the fall for it). You’ll probably recognize the commenter, who was a regular at the time. Since it’s a CB article, I assume they’ll let me partially quote:

        ” I know for a fact that he [William] was a heavy social drug user. He was in tight with the coke crowd. I know it because someone who was connected to that circle told me he had a nose like a hose and yet they made Harry go to a rehab when the story was taken out of context and largely a lie. About Harry.”

        Goes on about William drinking to excess as well, with additional input from other regulars at the time. Overall an interesting and obviously still pertinent article as it discusses how Harry was thrown under the bus in the press, and how it was really Kate who was the hard partier, vs Harry’s girlfriend Chelsy.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I have heard things about Willie being into drink and drugs. But usually those stories are few and far between and don’t really get discussed. I’m not at all surprised at his coke use, coke is rife in those circles. I would not at all be surprised in Keen was a coke lover too, if not now, she definitely would have been back in the day. She seems to copy anything that Willie does just to fit in with the crowd.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Didn’t Uncle Gary out William’s drug use with the undercover reporter? The drug fuelled parties at his Ibiza mansion.

        Given that Harry has just admitted to taking drugs, it’s obvious that William was as well. William was always the harder partier than Harry.

    • Lizzie says:

      If willnot did indeed purposely OD then in the span of 30 ish years we know of three people driven to suicide thoughts or attempts by the palace or courtiers. How many other attempts might have been covered up?
      If it’s true then Harry’s words of being trapped are chilling.

  12. Amy Bee says:

    William’s speech is the charm offensive against the Scottish independence movement. He is also attempting to protect the Royal Family’s image and to promote it’s love for Scotland. Given that Harry said in the documentary that his family never spoke about Diana and her death, the story about him asking at church if she really died is true.

    • notasugarhere says:

      This. Right along with throwing in the lies about meeting Kate at Uni. Trying to tie Scotland to their marriage, as if Scotland cannot leave the UK because it would upset their marriage?

      She was a member of the Club H set, having cozied up to William’s female friends deliberate for that purpose. That’s how she knew to switch her application to St Andrews, pick the Chile gap year, choose Art History as her major, pre-select the year abroad in Florence. All because that was what she gleaned about/from William during those parties.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      But wait, don’t you have to be charming to carry out a charm offensive? I heard what he had to say and I am not in the least bit charmed. They sent a boy to do a man’s job.

  13. Beff says:

    Wills doesn’t look well but I think his new team wrote that speech. And of course copied Harry’s style of actually opening up about his own mental health rather than just using the catch phrase to describe others.

  14. Eleonor says:

    ” Harry was so reportedly so bewildered by the lack of public grief in church that he asked if his mum was really dead. ”
    This is heartbreaking.

  15. Midge says:

    It’s not a contest, Baldmimort.

  16. TigerMcQueen says:

    They still want to leave the union, Cain. You’re not popular enough to keep them.

    Also, he doesn’t look happy.

    • BlueToile says:

      I hope so. I can’t wait for an independent Scotland and unified Ireland. I am not even European and I still want it. I am ready to see rights and peoples restored and out from under the British. Their colonialism needs to end for good.

  17. tempest prognosticator says:

    It must have been devastating for William to lose his mother at that edge. I’m glad he and Harry were able to take refuge in Scotland.

    • Eleonor says:

      If I remember correctly that was the Queen first instinct, to protect them, and send the boys away. For once that was the right call.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They were already at Balmoral, as they split their vacations between Charles and Diana during the separation and divorce.

      • Harper says:

        They were at Balmoral with the Queen and Charles when Diana died. So she didn’t send them anywhere. The issue was that London went into a deep dive of public grieving and started to wonder why the Queen didn’t come back to London to be with her people. At the very least, they wanted the flag at Buckingham Palace lowered to show some Royal sign of acknowledgment. The Queen famously stayed away until Tony Blair talked her into returning. It was controversial because the public felt that in those days of intense public grieving, the Queen didn’t acknowledge what was going on.

      • Nic919 says:

        Harry also specifically states that having to go out and look at the flowers in front of KP (or BP I forget which) bothered him because all these strangers were crying over his mother, who they didn’t know, and he couldn’t show any emotion.

        William and Harry should never have had to deal with grieving strangers in that way.

        Had the Queen agreed to lower a flag over BP within a day of Diana’s death, so much would have been calmer. Instead she refused to let any flag fly for days because the tradition is that if the monarch isn’t at BP then no flag flies. People got mad because it showed how heartless the Windsors were in refusing to acknowledge Diana’s death because of dumb protocol. And when they did return, the kids got tossed out in front of the public.

    • Carmen-JamRock says:

      Harry’s refuge was in Africa. He’s said this many times and said it again in the Me U Cant See docu.

      • notasugarhere says:

        iirc it started when Charles took him with him on a tour a month or two after Diana’s death. Tiggy was there, along with a school friend of Harry’s, for the private holiday.

  18. Noki says:

    I dont mean to be crude,but honestly these silky grey pants the royal men sometimes wear should be worn with briefs or atleast boxer briefs.

    • Lady D says:

      Gotta agree there.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      Not crude. It’s just common sense. You don’t see Charles’ private parts. His butler makes sure he’s properly attired.

    • Lizzie says:

      I went back and looked, I don’t know how I missed that.

    • Sophie says:

      What’s even more distressing is that I know his package is always on his left. He’s worn the wrong underwear – or no underwear – for years.

    • Eurydice says:

      My mother says he looks like a crazy man who put on his trousers back to front. Also, doesn’t he have a valet or something? Who let him out of the house looking like that?

  19. Plums says:

    I just read on twitter this morning that there’s apparently this low level speculative gossip going around that William is the father of Rose’s daughter (born in 2016). If that’s the case, and that’s the story the tabloids are keeping a lid on and the reason why every single little reference to anything remotely scandalous about William is deleted immediately upon publication, then that is a huge fucking deal, and I can totally see how he looks like he’s in a perpetual state of anger and stress. That is a guillotine hanging over the entire BRF heads.

    • Lady D says:

      Another child to be exposed to his incandescent rage. You cannot tell me that kind of anger isn’t affecting his children, his wife, his household staff and even the pets. He’s taking it out on someone, or several someones. Even his reporter lover Dan isn’t safe from his rage.
      Seriously though, how do you think William treats Dan? I think he’s the one person Willie boy will show respect or deference to.

    • Nic919 says:

      In a similar vein, it remains bizarre that no one knows the exact number of children that Boris Johnson has and that it never affected his ability to become leader of the Conservative party and ultimately the PM. There is no way that would fly for a canadian politician. The public wouldn’t care about a child out of wedlock if acknowledged from the outset, but hiding this would not be acceptable.

      • Ann says:

        Interesting. I think a child out of wedlock would hurt an American running for POTUS. Bernie Sanders has one, born in the 60s I believe with his then partner. The child was acknowledged, but by the time Bernie ran for the Dem nomination it had been so long and the kid was an adult, so it never really came up. But I think if Bernie had gotten the nomination, the opposition would definitely have brought it up and it would have impacted some people’s thinking of him.

        I have nothing against Sanders, this isn’t a dig at him. It’s just something I wondered if it would have made a difference.

      • JT says:

        Interesting theory. Not reporting on William because of a secret child makes sense. The palace could use the whole “protecting the child’s privacy” as a reason to squash the rumors. However, William did use the EU’s human rights laws to put the kibosh rumors on the affair in the first place. What happens now that the UK is out of the EU? We know that the BM doesn’t give a damn about ethics.

      • Coco says:

        @Ann – rumors started by the Bush campaign about John McCain’s adopted daughter actually being his out-of-wedlock (and mixed race) child may have been a major factor in McCain losing the 2000 primary.

    • cassandra says:

      Well those Windsor genes will certainly manifest themselves if that’s true

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Eh, I still don’t think those rumors hold water. If Will has an outside child, it’s with some other woman we don’t know of (yet).

      • Nic919 says:

        I agree that it would not be Rose if there was a child out there. She has access to brith control and wouldn’t just have a child knowing the importance of bloodlines to those families.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She already had two male heirs. A daughter by a future king? Wouldn’t be the first time a member of the aristocracy passed off a royal child as belonging to the husband’s line instead. Often with the husband’s full permission.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I have seen pictures of the twin boys and they are definitely Rocksavage through and through. I have never seen a good recent picture of five year old Lady Iris Marina Aline Cholmondeley. I have only seen a picture of her as am infant.

    • SurelyNot says:

      Speculating on the parentage of a 5 year old is gross even by the standards around here. I get why no one likes Willy, but Rose hasn’t done anything (to my knowledge) to deserve the surety of which she is cast as the harlot in your every day fantasies. Bringing her daughter into it really is a step too far.

  20. Scal says:

    So he got the first dose of the vaccine this week right? So he’s not at full protection.

    My question is why is he indoors a d in crowds without a mask? He was at pub and then this church service. I’m assuming a lot/nearly all the people around him are vaccinated-but am I missing something?

    • Ginger says:

      William and Kate are the worst when it comes to wearing a mask. They are very inconsistent. They wear them when they are in a car together (and they supposedly live together) but take them off when they are around others. It’s bizarre.

      • Kale says:

        They wear masks in the car because they travel with a driver and a PO, I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand 🙄
        Outside-no mask
        Inside-mask

    • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

      Kinda my feeling that the jab was just a PR stunt, with a needle filled with saline. I think he and the others had it in January.

      • Nic919 says:

        The UK has inconsistent rules about masking so I could see William just not caring if his dose is effective or not. After all he did the whole covid choo choo super spreader tour without any vaccinations and the variant was in full swing at that point in the UK.

      • Ang says:

        They have all been vaccinated since February

  21. Seraphina says:

    When I read the headline about grief he had in regards to memories of Scotland, my first thought was: Hey, didn’t he meet Kate there?

  22. Kyliegirl says:

    While they both lost their mom and people grieve in different ways, for William to call out how the church service the morning after her death brought him great comfort when it didn’t even mention his mother unlike most churches did that day is interesting. This was one of the major things the royal family was criticized for. Combine this with his video statement saying the royals were falsely blamed for their treatment of Diana, William is definitely onboard with the royal family image rebrand. I am also in agreement that William has not looked well recently. Regardless of what I think about William, I hope he is ok.

    • notasugarhere says:

      He’s pretending to be a man of faith, playacting for his new (temp) role with the Church of Scotland. William has never been a churchgoer, nor have the Midds. They only ever go for the photo ops or required appearances.

  23. Carmen-JamRock says:

    Will-di-Amin & his handlers hv seen tht the world is viewing H as Diana’s true heir; tht H is specially loved for pushing back on the BRF’s attempts to erase Diana; tht TOB & the Firm’s attempts to use the bbc report to further tarnish Diana has backfired.

    So going forward, expect them to pivot to staking Bullyiam as Diana’s son too, and tht his assistant-wife is the one who’s “just like Diana” – not M! & his sprogs are all abt “granny Diana.” Therefore the lamebridges are deserving of the adoration tht the world seems to want to give only to H & his family.

    • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

      CarolE won’t like that part, about the kids being “all about Granny Diana” lol. Expect a turf war! More stories will leak again about how much dear Granny CarolE does with and for those kids, and all the comfort and cheese toast she gives WilliWon’t.

      • JT says:

        William does seem to flail until Harry gives him a blueprint on what to do. I guess seeing the reaction Harry got for his rich series caused William to pivot. It’s another reason why I suspect they want both men to share a speech if Harry goes to the memorial.

      • JT says:

        *mental health series

  24. Liz version 700 says:

    Will looks like he is going to explode any second. He has everything he supposedly wants, he ran his brother out of the country and made Meghan almost crack under the onslaught he and Kate threw at them. Here he is, the last FFK standing and he looks angrier still. His anger is the only one running the show now. And I agree with the poster who said the Windsor men need better underwear in those suits.

    • North of Boston says:

      Isn’t George technically the last future future king standing ATM?

    • notasugarhere says:

      He didn’t get what he wanted. He didn’t want Kate, he settled for her. He didn’t get what he wanted out of Harry and Meghan – them kowtowing, doing all the work, him taking credit, and them being willing public scapegoats. He wanted to steal the Together money, keep them under this thumb, and continue to have the staff brief against them (esp Meghan) to the press. Then he wanted to exile them to ‘Africa’.

      What he absolutely did not want? Harry and Meghan free, happy, and becoming a global force out of his control.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Amen! Now he is alone with his ill fitting pants and his clenched fists

      • Haylie says:

        One correction: Will did not want Meghan in his family. At all. Let alone, Archie and Baby Girl Montecito.

  25. Jay says:

    This is the equivalent of William standing outside Scotland’s window with a boom box blaring bagpipe music. I think Scottish people are too savvy to settle for mere acknowledgment from the royals, but I’m not from there. My first thought would be – so, we’re important only for the things YOU did and said while you were here?

    Im not surprised that William wants us to know how HE grieved, too, because he seems to think of these things as a zero sum game. Harry talking about his grief doesn’t or shouldn’t diminish William’s. Also, have you noticed that Harry talks about “our” mother and William talks about “his” mother?

    You’d think that this would actually be a golden opportunity to mention Harry, in the context of grieving together at Balmoral and saying he’s proud of his brother for getting help – he would look magnanimous leading up to his mother’s statue unveiling, and it would fit in with his supposed passion for mental health. I can’t even picture it, to be honest.

    • Amy Too says:

      All of William’s speeches and talking points are very William-centric. Harry always brings in the wider world, other people dealing with the same issues, the way that issues are interconnected, but William is always about himself. Anecdotes about himself, what he does and doesn’t do, what he likes and doesn’t like. Like if I’m Scotland, I heard “while I’m here vacationing in *my* massive castle on the hill, hunting your birds, stalking your deer, walking around in the acres and acres of gardens and parkland that my ancestors stole from yours, I think about how *I* went to your prestigious university and that’s where *I* met my wife, and then of course, once we got what we wanted we left and now we spend all our time and money and charity work in England, but you know, at least I bring *my* kids back here from time to time so that they can enjoy *my* big castle on the hill and all the land and hunting and leisure time we use Scotland for!”

      Like why can’t he talk about the Scottish people? And what England and the UK can do for them? Why doesn’t he talk about how lucky England is to have a partner in Scotland? But no, he talks about how Scotland serves him, specifically, and what he and his family, specifically, use Scotland for.

      • Ariel says:

        This is an excellent point. Well said.

      • Hannah says:

        Because he can’t get colonialism and imperialism out of his head, whether it’s his sister-in-law or Scotland. This family’s default is looking down their ugly noses at others.

      • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

        Doesn’t go down too well with certain sectors of the Commonwealth, either. Seem to forget that a hell of a lot of us are descended from Highland clearances and Irish famine refugees.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Snaps for the Cusack reference.

      I’ll counter with one of my fav lines, which is what Harry is doing (and what William may not be capable of doing). ‘The world is full of guys. Be a man. Don’t be a guy’.

  26. Chic says:

    On a petty note, why is his pants never right-sized in zipper area? Better yet change his underwear..

    He has the face of the life he lives internally.

  27. Nyro says:

    He looks like an older version of Edward. And he looks unwell. Pale and tense in an ill fitting suit.

  28. Hollah says:

    The clenched fist photo of William is the real life version of the Arthur fist meme. It really is a mood.

  29. Nadia says:

    Harry is certainly the prince that started talking about his mental health.

    Meghan talked about being suicidal. My goodness. So raw and vulnerable.

    William has done a lot of shit things, too numerous to count, but I believe he certainly has insurmountable childhood trauma that he’s never dealt with. It’s obvious.

    Harry has struggled with childhood trauma, also, yet he met Meghan, who potentially saved his life.

    Instead of wishing karma and terrible things to William, why not wish him treatment and therapy?

    I love Harry and, at some point, I would love to see him reconcile with his father and William.

    We pit Meghan and Kate against each other. We should be hoping they eventually come together instead of salivating at the thought of them being bitter enemies.

    I’d love to see Harry and Meghan and their beautiful family live happily ever after wherever they hang their hat.

    I’d also like to see William seek professional help to go back on his timeline and treat what needs to be treated to become a better person.

    Ya, I’d like to see Will and Kate happy. They have a lovely family.

    And, YAS, I’d love to see them all unite as family. I don’t GAF where any of them live, as long as they can be happy as a family.

    Naive. Perhaps.
    Hopeful. Yes.

    I’d prefer to spread love instead of hate.

    Shanti.

    • Maria says:

      William and Kate are the ones who pitted themselves against them! I appreciate your attempt at understanding but the fact is that these two attempted to do physical harm to Meghan AND Harry AND Archie and destroyed her reputation. William and Harry were never close and this is the last straw. Spreading love not hate is not ok when it is used to deny and cover up one party’s accountability. Love only comes when someone acknowledges their actions and moves forward in growth and makes restitution and neither William nor Kate have done that. Salivating at the thought of them being enemies is not what any of us are doing and is a dramatic misrepresentation of this entire turn of events.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Said it WAY better than I would’ve.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I never hated Kate, I celebrated when the Keens got married and was excited for her, as I’m sure a lot of people on here did. That excitement did fade quite quickly but I never disliked Kate. Sussexsquad never treated Kate like this when she first married. It was keen stans that pounced on Meghan, which could have been helped if kate had openly showed solidarity to her, but she didn’t.

        Seeing the way she and William treated Meghan was beyond inhuman. I often wonder what kate and William actually want to happen to Meghan, cos is seems that only death will satisfy them and the haters. I like to consider myself a forgiving person but some people don’t deserve it. William and Kate would need to admit their actions and apologies to the Sussex’s first. But they never will. They don’t deserve forgiveness. Let’s not forget that blood has been shed, harry and meghans 2nd pregnancy was lost due this.

    • Merricat says:

      Love and healing begin with accountability. When William and Kate admit their responsibility in smearing their pregnant sil to the point that she was suicidal, forgiveness might be possible. Until such time , Karma will continue to mind their business .

    • notasugarhere says:

      ‘We pit Meghan and Kate against each other. We should be hoping they eventually come together instead of salivating at the thought of them being bitter enemies. ‘

      We do not pit Meghan and Kate against each other. Kate and her evil family have been briefing against Meghan for four years. Kate chose to belittle Meghan, lie about her, ignore her in public, and meangirl her. For her own benefit, laziness, and PR. Kate’s choices, not ours.

    • Carmen-JamRock says:

      Y’know, @Nadia: kumbaya has its place. I’m all for it. But you know what else is just as desirable but much more important? Justice. No justice, no peace.

      You said u wd “love to see (Harry) reconcile wth his brother and father”…….see wht u did there? You, like all monarchists/royalists, the BM and the Firm, all expect the overture to come from Harry. Not the perpetrators of the injustice against Harry & Meghan. How is justice served by H going cap in hand, tugging his forelock and begging forgiveness from the very people who not only ignored & neglected his requests for help but joined forces wth his tormentors in a calculated smear campaign against his wife?

      H has shown tht he is full of compassion for his relatives, knowing they are trapped. So I’m sure he’s willing to forgive them. But not before justice is done. M has already forgiven the wastrel formerly known as waity-kaity for the big lie tht she allowed to go uncorrected for over 3 yrs tht M had made her cry.

      Tht seemingly simple, seemingly unimportant bit of tattle is known to all racists all over the world as a powerful racist trope against black & black biracial women. It did the damage it was intended to do. It accelerated a campaogn of villification against M, in which over 250,000 stories, over 80% of which were negative, to be written abt her in 2019 alone, makng her the most trolled woman in the world tht yr. Resultantly, it is UNSAFE for M and their children to ever step foot in England.

      Even TODAY in one of the sh!trags theres a so-called “royal expert” writing tht “sadly” it will require the removal of M thru death or divorce, before a reconciliation between H & his relatives can come to pass.

      These are the headwinds tht H is fighting against and which he KNOWS tht his relatives could do something abt, but wont.

      Thts why H&M’s lawyers sent a legal ltr to the palaces bk in March demanding they show evidence of their bullying claims made against M and I for one cant wait to see how tht pans out.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Sorry, but this IS extremely naive AND willfully ignorant to the role the royals themselves have played in the onslaught against Harry and Meghan. They are the ones who instigated this mess and cast a couple who was supposed to be one of their own as the enemy. There is no need to reconcile with monsters like that.

    • Lila says:

      How can you say that WE pit one against another when it’s Kate and William running to their pet reporters to brief against Harry and Meghan? This whole spread love, not hate isn’t really applicable here when the Cambridges seem to be doing everything in their power to make sure H and M are bullied by tabloids to the point of Meghan becoming suicidal? Or did you forget that Meghan herself said that it was the lie about her making Kate cry that changed everything for her? Did you also forget that K and W refused to correct this false story while contacting lawyers to suppress stories that were unflattering?

    • equality says:

      @Carmen Jam-Rock: “Even TODAY in one of the sh!trags theres a so-called “royal expert” writing tht “sadly” it will require the removal of M thru death or divorce, before a reconciliation between H & his relatives can come to pass.”
      Wow. Why don’t the BM just have a bunch of t-shirts with targets printed on them and ship them to Meghan. Some experts. Meghan isn’t the problem.

    • Kalana says:

      I noticed you completely left out what Kate did.

      This is not about love. It’s about using Meghan yet again to clean up Kate’s image. This is racism. Not love.

    • Freddy says:

      I sooo agree that it would be wonderful to see William not being pissed that his brother is speaking out on these issue of race and mental health, but JOINING HIM! He, more the Harry, has the potential to make seismic change within The Firm..but he won’t or can’t because the palace courtiers won’t have it. If William started thinking for himself, they have no power.

    • Laugh or Cry says:

      Wait, so you want them to rollover, walk hand in hand with their abusers, who STILL to this very day spew hate speech and what them to be skinned alive? Why? The real question is would you want that for your beloved family/friends/children, to lack those boundaries? Why does society expect the victims of any abuse and/or crime to be the ones to atone for the monsters. Unite as a family? If someone in your family horribly abused your spouse and children, would YOU unite with them while they actively seek to kill and destroy all of you? Darling with all due respect, you need prayer and therapy.

  30. swirlmamad says:

    Lord, this dude has a hard-ass looking face. Like his unpleasantness just wafts off him. Or maybe that’s the face of “you ain’t living right and it MAY just be about to catch up with you”….

  31. Jaded says:

    Is it just my imagination or does he look like he’s lost weight? If I didn’t know any better I’d say he’s using a lot of Bolivian Marching Powder — that has a drastic effect on your appetite and moods. I’ve known a few people in my time who got into it heavily and they became skinny rage monsters. Maybe it’s just the pressure of the whole Harry/Meghan thing and the ensuing media intrusion, maybe his marriage is falling apart, but there’s just *something* not right about him.

    • Thirtynine says:

      I thought he looked noticeably thinner too.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Yeah, he doesn’t look well. Funnily enough he seemed to have gained weight around this time last year. When he promoted the pub opening last June, he had that bloated look that comes with excessive drinking. He’s kind of kept that extra bloat/weight until recently, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s moved on to nose candy now. There’s been something “not right” about him for a long time, but it’s been so blatant since March, when his pal Wootton put out that unhinged “letter” to Harry. I do not think he’s coping well with his brother’s success out of the royal cage at all. Harry now has the life he’s always wanted and complained about never being able to have as future king. Harry also has the popularity and admiration that William believes he is entitled to. Finally, Harry has a wife who truly loves him and cares about his well-being, while William stuck himself with a woman who’s obviously invested in getting the crown above all else.

    • Calibration says:

      He definitely looks thinner. And not in a good way.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Is it possible that W has been to rehab? Whether alcohol or drugs or both? It seems to me that if PC wants a slimmed down monarchy, that the ones who are working would need to be able to work. I doubt alcohol or drugs would aid in that plan. Just a thought.

  32. Rnot says:

    I wonder if William experiences PTSD symptoms similar to what Harry described when he has to do official engagements? It would explain a lot. The picture with the clenched jaw and fists fits believably with the description of pounding heart and full-body sweat and game-face. It would explain why he grimaces when he smiles. He’s trapped with his triggers forever.

    • Nic919 says:

      I don’t think that there is any question that William needs therapy to deal with the trauma of his mother’s early death. It’s clear he is not happy or well adjusted at almost 40 and we see the difference with Harry having the tools to deal with all the adversity he has faced and just how happy he seems now.

  33. Coco says:

    Did you know that if you played a recording of this speech backwards all that you would hear is, “Scotland, don’t vote for independence” repeated 10 times?

  34. Chelsea says:

    I really cant believe the nerve of this man to talk about losing Diana two days afte4 calling her a paranoid liar…ugh

    Also Kaiser to your the last point: the more i think about it the more cruel it seems that they refused to acknowledge Diana’s death or comfort her two children. Their coldness really negatively affected both of them. Happy that Harry was eventually able to get the help he needed, unfortunately William has just turned into a clone of the people who made his mother’s life a living Hell.

  35. Tessa says:

    Not much of a “comfort” at a Church service the same morning his mother died and not one mention of her in Church. He is rewriting history.

  36. Tessa says:

    In profile William with his clenched jaw looks like a throwback to the Hanoverian kings.

  37. one of the Marys says:

    Ok Coco that made me lol.
    I agree with so many of the comments in this thread. For me I can’t forgive how he treated his brother and Meghan these past few years, decisions he made as an adult. It was and continues to be appalling. Unless or until there’s some accountability for that I just have no compassion for him

  38. Busyann says:

    What his going on with this guy? There’s something larger, deeper, going on here. I almost wonder if he wants to run too?
    Will looks like he is dying inside and out. It could be the vaccine, but I think he is an increasingly tortured soul. I think his whole life, especially after his mom died has been awfully unhealthy for him and I could be wrong, but I don’t think his marriage to Kate has helped. To me, it seems like Kate and her mom capitalized on his pain and don’t want him to heal. Just like Meghan was her competition, so was Will’s ability to be happy and healthy. Where Meghan helped free Harry, Kate has done the opposite. I feel slightly bad for him.

  39. Margo says:

    He looks like he is not feeling at all well. I feel sorry for William – he cannot be happy with how things have turned out with his brother. I believe they were very close growing up and he probably could not have imagined that he would lose Harry. It’s sad for both men, but William really is quite alone as he watches his Grandmother and his Father rapidly aging. He’s going to be on that throne before he knows it and it will all be on his shoulders. Can’t be easy on Kate, either – watching as your husband looks to the future and sees what is coming. She is probably trying to figure out what she can do to help him survive – not an easy task for any wife. Let’s keep in mind these royals are just people.

    • Haylie says:

      Nah. Willnot and Cannot tried to bully Harry’s wife into suicide while she was pregnant.

      They deserve a lifetime of misery.

    • Tessa says:

      He and Kate were huge factors IMO of Harry leaving. THe Lacey book reports William was “incandescent” and could not be bothered to have lunch with Harry and his family to talk about Harry’s plans. He also worked against Harry, along with Kate. He had a laughable PR stunt taking along Kate and the kids showing he was “thrifty” using the Flybe commercial jet who made an extra stop taking an empty plane to pick them up. Kate is very culpable and let Meghan take the heat for the crying story. I have no pity for them.

    • ennie says:

      If their monarchy goes, then they will survive, believe me, they won’t lose their riches. This is not the last emperor. They wont need to work either, they will continue to be “gentlemen”, part of the aristocracy.

      • Merricat says:

        Lol, it will be worth the price of admission just to see Carole’s face, as the pursuit of status is her reason for being.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’m sure she’d be content knowing her first grandson stands to inherit over a billion in private wealth, whether or not there is a monarchy.

    • Kalana says:

      You write as if Will and Kate have no agency. They actively created this situation. This is their mess that they have benefited from for years while a pregnant woman was suffering from suicidal ideation.

    • Pepperpot says:

      He lost Harry ?!?! I don’t understand this thinking. Harry is a 10 hour plane ride away. He’s a quick text, email or phone call. If Will wanted Harry right next to him holding his hand, all he needs to do is ask him and Meghan to return…

      Some people are weird.

  40. Tessa says:

    William and Kate lose a lot of credibility every time their Uncle Gary goes out to “defend them.” This will catch up with them.

  41. Beth says:

    I agree he looks unhappy and I think that’s sad. I feel sad for both brothers in different ways. No one wins here.

    • Merricat says:

      It didn’t have to be that way, but the Cambridges called the dance and now they have to pay the piper.

    • Carmen-JamRock says:

      Harry wins.
      He showed he has the balls to save himself & his family from that cult.

    • L4frimaire says:

      These two grew up together but had two very distinctly different childhoods and recollections of their mother and parents marriage. I just don’t get how he decided one day to just try to ether his brothers wife and try to destroy their very recent marriage just because he didn’t like her. Like crafted his whole life for the past four years around achieving that goal of getting rid of her, and not caring about hurting his brother. And still to this day they will not stop until she is dead, not even then. Meghan is a normal person, lucky and so smart and accomplished in many ways, but nothing so threatening or out there that she had to be attacked the way she was and is. What type of person does that, and has the active backing of one if the most powerful institutions in one of the most powerful countries in the world? People may feel sorry for this guy, but he and the apparatus behind him made so many bad calls. He has so many resentments toward his brother that go way beyond Meghan and before Meghan.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Those resentments were there from the start, way back when they were little kids.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Very well said. The kind of person who could do this to his own brother is someone who deserves to look this miserable

      • Margo says:

        He might secretly envy his brother. Harry never had to worry about taking the throne. Remember ‘The Heir and The Spare’? Soon as William and Kate had George, Harry was off the hook. Still, I find it so sad. I remember seeing them together as children and young men and they seemed to have such a lovely close relationship. Meghan was surely a threat to that and William, being the spoilt future king, just could not take it. Poor William needs some serious therapy. I hope he watches ‘The Me You Can’t See’ and takes it to heart. He’s still a fairly young man and if he doesn’t get help – Kate, too – he will live a miserable existence.

  42. aquarius64 says:

    I saw the tweet from the Times reporter from Omid Scobie Twitter. (Guess he didn’t delete fast enough). William with a baby momma? The out of wedlock child will not endanger the succession but it would take a wrecking ball to the perfect fam ily

  43. L4frimaire says:

    Sure looks miserable for a guy who is getting everything he wants, even erasing his own mother’s words and experiences ( it was the bad brown man that made her do it). Anyway, the grin show begins on Monday and he’ll unclench that jaw and unbunch those fists for his adoring public.

  44. MoiraRosesGarden says:

    Is it me or does he strongly resemble the very unattractive Stephen Miller?

  45. Dl says:

    I will ask my question again for observant and knowledgeable CBers. I noticed at the funeral the men seemed to all be holding their hands like Willnot is in these pictures in Scotland. Am I seeing that correctly? If so, could this be what the men are taught to do with their hands during formal and or solemn occasions? Thank you I am sincerely asking.

    • Aidevee says:

      Could be what they’re taught to do – I suppose they don’t carry handbags like the queen and have to do something with the royal digits!

      I reckon it’s quite a febrile atmosphere in Scotland right now for a royal. The independence movement is in full swing here and it’s not always pretty. Perhaps there were some not-so-sycophantic spectators nearby and it’s made him tense. It’s a tricky brief to sell the royal family as a benefit of staying in the Union 😬.

    • Harla says:

      I believe that it’s part of the military training.

    • BeanieBean says:

      I was thinking it may be a military thing–they’re very prescriptive of how to act in various situations.

    • notasugarhere says:

      At the funeral, the men are neither curling nor clenching their fists. When you have your arms at your sides, this is how your hands look.

      In the pics of William walking up the church steps in Scotland? He’s clenching his jaw and his hands are bunched into fists.

  46. Flying Fish says:

    William looks older or as old as his Uncle Edward!

    • Liz version 700 says:

      They look like twins, but Edward looks so much happier.

      • L4Frimaire says:

        I’m sorry but Edward doesn’t exactly give off the sharpest tool in the shed vibes and Sophie is thirsty AF to catch some shine. They’re all cut from the same cloth.

  47. aquarius64 says:

    I think there is another reason for the clenched jaw and fists: Page Six reports Billy got dragged on Twitter for his response to the Dyson report. He blamed the interview for the demise of the Chaz and Di marriage. Twitter responses were along this vein:

    No William, the panorama interview did not ruin your parents marriage. Your dad screwing Camilla did,” one person tweeted.

    • JT says:

      For the life of me, I cannot figure out why he straight up thought gaslighting his mother was a good tactic. I get he needs to toe the palace/press line, but that was full on ridiculous. It worked for those viper courtiers and the RRs, but did her really think it would work for the people? Diana was loved by so many, why try to appease the people who made her life hell? I think Harry ticked all of the boxes: welcoming accountability, acknowledging her pain, and stating that those same tactics haven’t changed.

  48. Nivz says:

    Mmm guys as much as I want to believe he is clenching, something about these pictures rang a bell in the recesses of my brain. I finally remembered, this fist clenching thing might be some kind of ceremonial march norm. I remember this happening in my rather traditional, colonial-ish school in India. We were told to keep our hands neat by folding them up like this. I feel kind of deflated.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Yep, said something similar just above.

      • Nivz says:

        Just found your original discussion above 😊
        He still looks like Mr Burns though!

      • Nivz says:

        Just found your original discussion above 😊
        He still looks like Mr Burns though!

    • notasugarhere says:

      Try relaxing your shoulders and hanging your arms at your sides. You hands will naturally gently bend a bit. Not curl. Not clench into fists. From what I see, William is stomping around with clenched jaw and hands bunched into fists.

  49. Likeyoucare says:

    He looks like a blobfish.

  50. Curious says:

    they can’t stay hidden forever. with the internet people are speaking out . back when there was no tv, no internet the royal family got way with things. in the old days people had to buy mags to read about them. in 2021 all secrets are being revealed.. the royal family is nothing but a bunch of lunatics. they tried to kill a biracial woman and her child.. and the heirs to the throne are not saying a word of kindness towards them. and they know what they did . whoever was with that group when Catherine made Meghan cried , they are all silent. they couldn’t get harry to stop marrying Meghan, then they tried to harass her by planting fake stories. that’s a crime. and yet they walk tall and with no guilt. they thought if she kill herself they will be free of her, with no blood on their hands. but the internet is awake and people see.pics and watch words. and so far the royal family have not said one word about Meghan mental health when she lived with them..it like she was never there. the harm they did to her, not a care in the world for her from them.

  51. Feebee says:

    He has a terrible speechwriter. Maybe that’s him.

  52. Pepperpot says:

    IMO, he looks like his normal self.