Carole Middleton is Prince William’s ‘second mum,’ she makes him feel ‘protected’

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Have some sympathy for Carole Middleton, you guys. She’s watching her twenty-year project circle the drain. She played everything brilliantly, mothering Prince William, encouraging him to rest his head in her lap and persuading Kate to be keen. It worked for so long and now it seems to be slipping away. The pot farm was raided, Carole is out in the media, hustling and busting her ass to protect Brand Middleton and her business is losing millions of pounds. And worst of all, William seems really over ALL of it. Even his precious Carole. So what can Carole do? She can run to Angela Levin to remind William that she (Carole) is the only mother he’s had for twenty years.

Prince William’s ‘second mum’ Carole Middleton makes him feel “secure and protected”, while Prince Harry lacks experience of how stable relationships work, a royal author has suggested. Angela Levin claims that while the Duke of Cambridge adored his late mum, she was “relentlessly demanding” on him and even talked to him about her lovers. However as an adult, he’s had support, advice and love from his mother-in-law and has been “relieved of such burdens” and “accepted for who he was”.

However Angela claims that his younger brother, Harry, hasn’t had this experience.

She told Fabulous : “She made him feel secure, comfortable and protected and he didn’t have to worry about what he said or be responsible for her emotions. William learnt through the Middletons how a loving and supportive family works. It has been the bedrock of making Kate loving, calm and confident. Harry hasn’t had that parental opportunity. His background has just been of bitter fighting and incompatibility. Both he and Meghan come from very damaged backgrounds and must carry with them some of the negativity. It must be hard for them to help each other and lack experience in how stable, strong, understanding relationships work.”

It is said that William’s mother-in-law Carole has been a ‘second mum’ to the second-in-line to the throne since striking up a relationship with his now-wife Kate after meeting at university.

[From The Daily Mirror]

You should have seen the look on my face when I read the line “Both he and Meghan come from very damaged backgrounds…” In fact, Ms. Levin, would it shock you to know that William and Harry actually have the same background? Weird, I know! And you might even say that both men had very damaged childhoods with the same damaged parents and they dealt with that damage and trauma in different ways. Harry went to therapy and devoted himself to his family and a life of service. Meanwhile, William is a petty, immature, emotionally stunted tyrant who only sees women as mistresses or mommies. And I’m pretty sure Harry adores his mother-in-law too, but I guess Doria doesn’t count…?

Truly, I think Carole is making some last-ditch effort to keep William in line. She’s trying to remind him that if he dumps Kate, he’ll also be saying goodbye to his second mommy. Layers and layers of Oedipal bullsh-t with this mess.

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  1. Layla says:

    William lying down with his head on Caroles lap: HArRy mADe mE CrY!!!!
    , was wondering when she was going to pop up. This can’t happen that you have a plethora of tabloid headlines and not a single one be about Carole Middleton, MOmAgeRrRR!!!!

    Also, how disgusting and damaging is it to suggest that someone “lacks experience of how stable relationships work”. Levin just loves to hear herself talk. She kind of reminds me of Olivia Coleman’s character in Fleabag. Embarrassing and Disrespectful.

    • Layla says:

      Come to think of it, after this article I can image Carole Middleton like that as well. No regards for how she might appear as long as she gets her word out 🙄🙄

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Carole simply does not know when to stop. It can be argued that she got her claws into a young and vulnerable Will and ‘groomed’ him barely 5 years after his mother’s tragic death. Should Will ever want a divorce I can see the script already. She needs to watch it or the doors to manual press will be very ugly.

      • Xoxo says:

        THIS IS SHAMEFUL!!! In the week when there’s to be an unveiling of William’s mother’s statue, they leak this bullshit! Disgusting.

      • popsicle_vp says:

        Also, it is dismissive of the love and positive rearing of Doria which seems to have been foundational to the principles Meghan espoused and the way she conducts herself. It doesn’t surprise me that Carol, who used her daughter to up her standing in society and to pad her pockets, doesn’t recognize loving and supportive parenting.

    • Yvette says:

      What I want to know is how is this not casting shade at Charles and the Royal Family?? All Harry said in the interview is that he wanted to raise his kids better than his parents raised him and better than his parents were raised, and he was raked over the coals for insulting his father and the Queen. This article is dissing the heck out of Diana and contributing it to Carole Middleton with William’s approval. How is this not the same as what they accused Harry of?

      • Lionel says:

        Because it’s shade toward Diana, not the future King or current Queen. Diana = rebellion against the Monarchy = Harry, which is totally acceptable to the tabloids.

      • PlainJane says:

        @Yvette-excellent point! Hypocrisy at its finest.

      • Bunny says:

        Of course Carole & her family are trashing Charles and the Queen. It is what they do and who they are.

        Just a few days after Prince Phillip died, remember Uncle Gary saying that Kate should be the next Queen? The actual Queen was mourning her husband and Charles was mourning his father when Uncle Gary said that Kate was ready to rule and deserved to be next.

        Kate must be embiggened at all costs, regardless of the time, the place, or the occasion.

        It is sickening.

      • Tessa says:

        Of course if Harry had said that Doria was like a second mother, the media would go ballistic. It is “beautiful” if William feels like Carole is like a second mother.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think this is Middleton PR gone wild and not actually what William thinks of Carole. Based on the non interactions at the game today, I do not think that Kate and William are really speaking anymore.

  2. Eleonor says:

    This is sooo bad it is actually good.
    I don’t know if that makes sense.

    • ML says:

      I had a similar reaction to this…that said, I’m shocked it actually got published.

      • GRUEY says:

        The language in this article is absolutely sick and grotesque. Just creepy creepy imagery and assertions. Especially in the lead up to a day memorializing Diana?? How awful.

        So now the Middletons are working hard to smear Diana why? Because Kate isn’t invited? Because she’s now more associated with Harry and William all but called her crazy and delusional? It’s so fucking ugly and gross I want a shower.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        If William and Kate’s marriage wasn’t over before this article came out, it will be now. The closer William gets to the throne (I.e., the older the queen gets), the more power he feels. That probably makes the Middletons nervous, but it should make them very careful too.

    • Jais says:

      Lol it kinda makes sense. Similar adrenaline you get while watching a horror movie. I’m speechless. Dissing Diana right before the unveiling too? Like what?

      • Seraphina says:

        Right, like who does that???? Imagine how desperate Carole has become and what an ego she must have.

      • Nlopez says:

        The disrespect towards Diana is unacceptable. William had one mother, Diana, not two. Carole must be very confident to put this drivel out there. The Middleton’s must have something on William the conquered. If William doesnt put a stop to this, hes. So much worse than I thought! I hope Harrys speech at the statue unveiling blows them all out of the water !!

      • Lemons says:

        This is exactly it. I was cringing the whole time I read it, thinking, “When will the car crash happen?”

      • Mac says:

        I can’t tell if Carole is playing 3D chess or is just bonkers.

      • Demi says:

        It’s emotional blackmailing!

      • Seraphina says:

        @Mac, I am having the same thought myself. She can’t be this stupid and overplay her hand. This is the British monarchy. The last woman who they viewed as their undoing is rumored to have been killed by them. Ma Middleton can’t be this stupid.

    • Becks1 says:

      It’s mindblowing. Like you can’t even take it seriously, its that bad.

      It just tells me that the Cambridge marriage is done.

      • Merricat says:

        Agreed, Becks

      • Exactly Becks1. I also think KAISER is spot on. And isn’t it amazing that — according to this —- Harry has not ever had even one warm, caring, nurturing woman in his life since Diana died!? I’m not buying it…I think he’s just kept his private life private and not felt the need to share with the world what role friends, friends family members, or even various family members have played in his life. House Middleton is really going to lean into their self-written fairytale about Carole healing William. Levin and Carole are unf–king believable.

      • Jais says:

        Well I just saw she’s joining him to watch a soccer game tonight? So if the marriage is done, they don’t want it known. Guess it’s time to get some loved up pics to refute this mess.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Jais I definitely don’t think they want it known. I would not be surprised if they were told to make it a joint appearance. William likes to drink beer and watch soccer with “the boys” not with Kate.

      • Jais says:

        It’s funny it seems so obvious here that it’s a mess that it’s easy to forget they don’t actually want it known. It does seem like someone said quick get pictures of you guys smiling at each other. Also feels like a consolation prize to Kate in that she gets this rather than the statue unveiling. Maybe she’ll wear biker shorts and a sweatshirt for the game.

      • Nic919 says:

        The grasping at straws is unbelievable. Raising herself above Diana is not going to go over well in most circles.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Yes – no way Carole would put out a story like this is that marriage was strong. Kate is on the out and Carol(e) is trying to setup a Diana Beloved People’s Princess narrative for Kate..

      • Seraphina says:

        @Nic919, Yes, you are spot on about it not going over well (raising herself above Diana) – when Middletons aren’t really respected to begin with and then elevating yourself ABOVE a blue blood – the FFK’s late mother??? Who adored her kids???
        Makes me wonder if this why Mr. Middleton has been so absent – distancing himself from her crazy self.

      • Nic919 says:

        @Jais the showing up loved up at the game plan did not work.

      • Jais says:

        Nic- think they lucked out in their team winning. Which of course was due to their presence….ahem I mean the presence of fffk George. Nothing to see here. Just watch the game and our cute fffk.

    • Sofia says:

      It’s Angela Levin that’s why.

  3. Lauren says:

    If I were mama Carole I would be getting ready and making some important contingency plans, because that separation announcement is coming sooner rather than later and from there divorce is but one step away. I would be making a backup of the backup of all the dirt she has on the Windsor Klan, because her family will be dragged through the mud and plenty of people will be happy about it too.

    • Snuffles says:

      I have no doubt there is enough Middleton dirt not only to bury them socially but to also land them in jail. I’m sure they know Windsor shit too, but they don’t have the government and the monarchy on their side. They’ll take the Middletons out before they let them destroy the Windsors.

      They better happy with a good divorce settlement and just go away quietly into the night.

      • Lauren says:

        They just have to get those cheating news out there and let Baldy’s reputation become that of Chucks. The Middletons will go down fast and hard because they have been up to some shady sht for the last few decades, but they can make sure that Baldy’s reputation goes down with them. Baldy was allegedly sniffing some of that fine white flour on those holidays paid for by uncle Gary. Then you’ve got the cheating and the hidden child rumors.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        Even if they got William’s alleged cheating and siring of children out of wedlock out there, it can be easily spun. Yes people will be disappointed but they can easily distract with the Midddarshians dirt (Uncle Gary anyone?) and Kate’s mean girl ways (e.g. SHE made Meghan cry etc) and possible illness. They threw the dirt at Diana who was an aristocrat, more beautiful and far more hardworking than Kate so it will be easier to make mincemeat out of the Midds as all their rota friends will automatically side with the crown.

      • L84Tea says:

        @Elizabeth Regina, exactly. Chuck was ripped apart because people loved Diana so much and felt wronged FOR her. Kate does not have the public’s love like Diana did–not even in the same ballpark. Kate would be ripped to shreds. There are a number of ways Willy could spin things to his advantage.

      • Lemons says:

        Kate needs to come out with some story about her weaknesses. If she has one, talk about an eating disorder brought on by the stress and pressures of royal life. How she tried to be strong for William and the monarchy, but their abusive ways were just too much…Talk about how she couldn’t get her story out there like Meghan and Harry, etc.

        But she has been involved in so much dirt that I’m not sure the above is an option.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        The Middleton’s will never go away quietly, they are the white Markles and will pop up shooting their mouths off for money. What will happen post divorce is that they will go all out cashing in on their royal connections, with PP and other business ‘interests’.

      • Snuffles says:


        What if there is a child that was born before George and William and theoretical mother wants to make he/she the heir. That would be one way to knock the Middletons out of the scene for good.

      • Seraphina says:

        @elizabethregina and @L84Tea, exactly what I posted a few minutes ago. Did not see your comments. They got rid of Diana – rumor has it, but Carole should watch her step.

        @Snuffles, the child born out of wedlock if a girl may not have a claim because I believe they changed the succession law of gender right before George???? Someone on here can correct me if I am wrong with that logic.

      • equality says:

        @Snuffles Illegitimate children can’t be in succession for the throne. It’s covered by law.

    • Bendy Windy says:

      The Midds are going to lose money and social standing in a Cambridge divorce. IMO, if she was smart, she’d be getting receipts for how the family treated the Sussexes (who organized the smear campaign [portraying Kate as an unwilling participant by using the out that Meghan herself gave Kate], who talked about Archie’s skin tone, a timeline of William and Rose, how Kate has been long suffering and restricted from doing anything impactful because W doesn’t want to be shown up, etc.).

      She won’t win, but she could score some major hits and get a great settlement and perhaps K can keep her title and NOT give up the HRH like Diana did. If she can draw parallels between how the family treated Di and how they treat Kate, she might get a fraction of public sympathy. And she should definitely ride M’s coattails and claim that Kate was caged and silenced and has mental health struggles (depression and anxiety) that the family wouldn’t allow her to be treated for. She won’t win, but if she plays it right sh could do some serious damage.

      • Jais says:

        I mean receipts would be good but I just wonder if there is any illegal dirt the windsors have on the middletons, they are at a stalemate. If the windsors can threaten jail time, the Middletons would have to stand down. There is a good chance the middletons equally have illegal dirt on the monarchy but again a stalemate. And the monarchy has the media and the government backing them up for various reasons.

  4. Woke says:

    Honestly I think Angela is not on anyone pocket she’s too unhinged and unstable for that.
    That part where she say he’s not responsible for his emotions define William perfectly, he never had to be held accountable for his many anger issues.
    I wonder if he ever felt the need for therapy and was discouraged by the courtiers or the Middletons

  5. harla says:

    I don’t know if the Cambridge’s divorced that William would lose his “second Mummy”, I think Carole will side with him over Kate every time.

    • Seaflower says:

      She needs his blessing to still get access to the kids (and the large divorce settlement that include houses and debts paid off for all Middleton’s)

    • Jais says:

      Is Carole really William’s “second mummy” though? Were they ever really close or was that all just Carole’s PR spin? I really don’t know.

    • CL says:

      Oh, yeah. I can totally see Carole throwing Kate to the side if it means favor with William.

  6. Jessica says:

    Angela Levin is so spiteful. She’s insane. I believe she has all the same opinions as the sickest and most unhinged Meghan anti-fans and conspiracy theorists, and it’s awful to see her repeatedly given a platform in UK media. She would know about being damaged.

    • kelleybelle says:

      She’s a hateful, Megxit-loving troll and you will see her on their threads all the time on Twitter. She’s as bad as the Markles. Avoid at all costs.

  7. TigerMcQueen says:

    This story coming the week of an event meant to commemorate Diana is gross AF. The attempt to paint Ma Middleton as some saint even compared to Diana is gross.

    The Middletons might be married, but their enabling of Keen Guevara’s10-year-effort to be the last one standing in the who-wants-to-marry-Elegant-Bill stakes is not normal or functional. Their constant need to embiggen themselves in the media is what stable people do.

    Everything about this is gross.

    • My3cents says:

      That dig at Diana was very tacky and uncalled for.
      I actually read it as Diana tried to hold him accountable for his actions and educate him while Carole was basically putting up with his tantrums and enabling his rages.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      I suspect that something is SERIOUSLY wrong in that marriage and this is a damage limitation exercise. A reminder to let Will know they own him and his secrets. The momager positioning herself against Diana’s memory is probably one of the reasons Harry did not want any of them at the official unveiling.

      • Celia456 says:

        Exactly, ElizabethRegina. That word “protected” stood out to me. Maybe a veiled threat?

    • ShazBot says:

      The Middletons also seem to do next to no charity work. Just noting that.

      And “It has been the bedrock of making Kate loving, calm and confident.” does not describe Kate at all. She seems loving towards her kids, but that’s about it. She’s confident if it’s just her smiling for cameras, but lord help her if she needs to speak. And we all saw Commonwealth Day. Meghan was calm.

  8. Merricat says:

    Oh my word, this is not the tack for Carole to take. Ugh, I feel like I need a shower.
    I hope William does free himself from the Middletons, who have done nothing but exacerbate his character flaws. I’m not sure it will make him a better person, but I doubt it will make him worse.

    • taris says:

      just how in thrall is wills to mama carole, though?
      i mean, i do believe there may be some weird oedipal shit going on there for sure and carole works harder than the devil but, damn, so much just doesn’t add up for me here.

      i’m not one of those people who is convinced a divorce is imminent, but i must admit it sure seems lately like the wheels are coming off. the ham fisted fawning coverage of kate, with the nonstop reminders that she’s the future queen seem totally forced and … desperate. who exactly are they trying to convince/remind about kate’s place in the monarchy?

      like, what IS going on here?

      and, about the cambridges specifically: royal insiders know more than they’re letting on (and so do harry and meghan, btw).

    • windyriver says:

      @Merricat – agreed. I said something like this as well some time back – the Middletons were probably the worst people someone like Will could have hooked up with. Given what we’ve heard about Will’s behavior as a child, and the dysfunctional RF environment he grew up in as the future heir, it’s hard to say how much better he might have turned out with a different external influence. But he could hardly have turned out much worse.

      And at this point, Will is a 40 year old man. Whatever love and comfort he’s looking for in his life, it’s not from a second mother.

    • The Recluse says:

      I feel for the kids. Neither side looks healthy between momager Carole and her family dynamic and the infamously dysfunctional Windsor dynamic. Those poor kids. They’re going to end up damaged or warped no matter what.
      That said, Carole has a lot of nerve making those claims and I kind of hope it blows up in her face. I suspect even William holds a sacred space in his soul for his late mother and this won’t go over well, especially this week.

  9. Capepopsie says:

    My goodness, the nerve!

    • Robin says:

      Yes, exactly. It’s almost as if Carole Middleton is saying you owe me, William, and better not bow out of the deal. It’s yuck. Is it also a threat? ie If you don’t carry on with my daughter, I’ll disclose more embarrassing stuff about your little boy neediness?

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        Exactly how I read it. She ought to be careful. William is the type to burn it all down if he is pushed around. Ma Mardashian needs to watch it.

      • CL says:

        Oh, Carole would be a fool to take on William. So she probably will.

        She’ll be surprised when William goes all “Off with her head!” at her.

  10. Cj says:

    Yes. God forbid two people might take the approach of… oh, say, learning from the negative and not taking it forward, then working together to build a strong foundation they both always wanted.

    Instead of… I don’t know, whatever Will and Kate are doing which is definitely not the “two equals working together” which Angela feels must be making life so difficult for the sussexes.

  11. Zebz says:

    I now am starting to believe Carole groomed William and Kate is her stand in for the public. She is vicariously living through her daughter. I think Williams obsession with Meghan broke the conditioning Carole had done over 20 years which is why they all wanted her gone. Like someone said, Meghan has become all William can think about. She is a substitute for their mother for both brothers, but Meghan wanted Harry, not William.

    • bettyrose says:

      There is definitely something rotten in Buckebury. The comment that due to Carol William has had support that Harry has not? Yikes on a thousand bikes. It’s true that Harry had an emotionally troubled youth and acted out, but a huge difference is that Harry hasn’t to our knowledge used people as emotional crutches. He may have had a long journey to finding a true romantic partner, but he did find her and it’s beyond false to say he lacks a supportive loving family.

  12. Catherine says:

    This is so so disturbing and disgusting on so many levels. WTF.

  13. jazzbaby1 says:

    I can’t stand Charles but there’s a horrible part of me that just wants to see him smack CarolE down.

  14. Tulipworthy says:

    How disrespectful to Doria.

    • PlainJane says:

      Second this!! I appreciate that Meghan, Harry and Doria keep their relationship out of the public eye. I appreciate that Doria has no thirst whatsoever. That’s what stable, loving and calm looks like, you lot of gaslighting, ever thirsting, faux aristocracy!

  15. TabithaD says:

    This is absolutely deranged. An article criticising Diana’s parenting, and comparing her unfavourably to Carole, only 2 days before an event to commemorate her life. Really??
    Carole clearly is pissed off that Kate’s off the guest list and this is her lashing out, without engaging her brain first.
    Incredibly insensitive to both brothers, and the Spencer family.

  16. MattyLove says:

    I haven’t followed that much: does it really seem like a divorce is in the cards for Will and Kate?

    • MaryContrary says:

      I know that’s a popular narrative here sometimes, but I don’t see it at all. Kate is never giving up on this marriage-no matter if he cheats and it’s tabloid fodder (Rose, ahem) or how incandescent he becomes. Her entire life from college on has been about snaring and keeping him. And why would he divorce her? She lets him do what he wants. Work wise they have the same values. Will they lead separate lives? I think they do already-so that will continue.

      • Merricat says:

        She has no work ethic. She has no desire to acquire one. She is not equal to the task of ffcqing. And if he’s over it, she’s as good as gone.

      • MsIam says:

        I don’t know why people keep saying Kate lets William do what he wants. The million and one articles we keep getting about how indispensable she is to William say otherwise. She’s (and her mother) desperate to hang on. Look how many column inches they are devoting to Kate going to the statue ceremony like it’s the end of the world if she doesn’t go. I can’t see how that shows she’s secure.

      • Kfg says:

        @marycontrary the issue is that MM highlighted how inefficient and dull and useless Keen is. For PWT, a mixed race woman is beneath him and MM outshines him and keen. She’s an actual asset because her work makes a difference. She’s able to move in political circles, upper class circles, and regular circles effortlessly and makes an impression and impact. Every time keen is in these situations shes embarrassing and dull and no one likes to engage with her. Look at how she compares to the aristo girls and then how she compares to MM. Additionally, I still think the PR fake round table with Dr. Biden was her last chance. QE has sidelined her as well.

      • Snuffles says:


        Make you wonder if William has lined up someone who IS not only up to the task, but can compete with Meghan.

      • Millenial says:

        I don’t think he will, if only because it’s a bad look for the monarchy. Also, he’s the future Head of the Church of England, and it kinds looks bad to have two divorced heads right in a row.

      • Merricat says:

        Divorce is a Windsor family tradition.

      • BlueToile says:

        Mellenial, I am going to say that Liz seems to have always been very conscious of the Church of England and her role within it, but Chuck, and even more so William, clearly don’t give a rat’s rear end about the church. No way is the arguement of two divorced heads of the CoE going to be a deterrent if Will wants to divorce Kate. It’s clear Will already feels very put-upon by the Firm. He won’t let his dad be the only one of them who gets to use the “Get out of Jail Free” card. It’s becoming more obvious by the day that each member of this family is only out for himself. They can’t work together for nothin’.

      • equality says:

        @Millenial So it’s okay for heads of the C of E to be unforgiving toward family members, be judgmental of others, have affairs, say unkind things about a SIL, never humble themselves to apologize for their bad behavior and seek forgiveness but a divorce is the line?

    • Becks1 says:

      I guess it depends on who you ask, but things don’t look good right now. We’ve speculated on here for a while now that they pretty much live separate lives, and there was a weird story a week or so ago that they were school-shopping AND house hunting in Berkshire which….why do they need a third house?

      The middleton PR has been aggressive and desperate lately (see: this story) and it just feels like all is not well in the House of Cambridge.

    • MonicaQ says:

      A lot of people seem to think so. I don’t think it’s a possibility until the Queen passes, personally.

      • Nic919 says:

        A divorce happens if William wants one. They have been doing the separate lives for a while now, but the cracks have shown much more and excluding Kate from the Diana memorial after a Scotland tour where he barely looked at her sure doesn’t look good.

        The issue with waiting until the Queen passes is that Kate would automatically get the duchess of Cornwall title if they weren’t divorced and while that doesn’t give her access to the Duchy, it is unlikely to be something William wants her to have if he truly wants out of this marriage.

        I think what we are seeing right now are the early steps of a legal separation. They have done as much in private as they could and I am sure the pandemic helped. But now they can’t hide as much, especially as things are reopening.

      • windyriver says:

        I think if anything the family may want to wait until after next year’s Jubilee, so as not to detract from the run up to that celebration. But that’s still a year away, and TQ is 95…

        Three of TQ’s children (including the current heir) plus several extended family members have divorced, so I doubt it would be a big deal for TQ – who’s likely already aware all is not well in the Cambridge marriage.

      • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

        I agree. I think the Middletons are wilding out because Wills wants to divorce Keen but *can’t*. Definitely not as long as the Queen is alive and I suspect Charles, the Prince Regent, won’t allow him to divorce either. What does an incandescent PWT do when trapped? I’m sure he’s very very mean.
        And honestly, the Cambridges have made it so that they cannot divorce. They have so damaged the monarchy by attacking and exiling Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex that to split up would cause their image to implode.
        Watch: there will be a new crop of stories of Harry cheating or longing from some blonde he once dated.

      • BlueToile says:

        Queen Meghan, neither the royal family, nor the RR better go anywhere near the Harry-is -cheating thing without locked down receipts. H&M would have their lawyers in that so fast and so hard it would be a tsunami of lawsuits.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Better to have Kate sidelined before the Jubilee year, so she isn’t part of the celebrations.

    • ShazBot says:

      Literally the only positive thing William has going, PR-wise, is his family man image. He needs Kate for that – and she plays the part well. HER mistake was letting that be her only asset, because the Middletons clearly thought the family man thing would carry them all the way there, but if Will got tired of her, there’s a million ways to spin him out of it. Then she’s standing with nothing, because she has brought literally nothing else to the table, and instead has set herself and her family up nicely as patsy’s for the whole Harry and Meghan situation.

      I don’t even have an insiders view of the situation and I could build a PR campaign just on what we know that would bring him out of the marriage fairly unscathed and destroy her, and nobody would blink. Now imagine what more they have on the inside.

  17. Seraphina says:

    This is such bad timing or is this perfect timing to keep one in line and remind him “certain things” – as was pointed out??? Interesting times indeed.
    Kaiser you did leave out one part (not sure if I have it right): as he lays his head in Carole’s lap there is cheese toast beside them to sooth his hurt (was it cheese toast that has been referenced in the past???)

    • Harper says:

      As an American, I’ve always wondered if cheese toast is the same as a grilled cheese sandwich, or is cheese toast open-faced? Also, how has CarolE not monetized her cheese toast fame with a cookbook, line of grill pan and spatulas, and organic cheese line from the Best Cows in Bucklebury?

      • Robin says:

        Hi from the UK. Here it would be understood to be cheese on toast, as in a Welsh rarebit. Just one piece of toast with cheese melted on top.

      • Seraphina says:

        Robin, that you for clarifying. I am American so I was a bit confused on what exactly it is. Wonder if Carole will also have some chutney on the table to remind Willy what a great homemaker Katey is.

      • KW says:

        Canadian here with Welsh and British parents …. cheese toast is a piece of toast with melted cheese. sometimes marmite under the cheese but not the same as grilled cheese.

      • Lady D says:

        I thought it was a really thick cheese sauce that was slathered on the toast and then stuck under the broiler for 2-3 minutes.

    • Harper says:

      Thanks, Robin! I will have to put on my best Ma Middleton expression that reads “Give me credit that I don’t expect my daughter’s boyfriend to minister to my emotions” and make one to see for myself how cheese toast has the magical power to control a future king.

  18. girl_ninja says:

    Wooowwww. Just wow.

  19. Amy Bee says:

    They really don’t see Doria as human.

    • Zebz says:

      I know it’s sickening.

    • Nic919 says:

      They don’t. And of all of the parents, Doria is the one who isn’t a total egomaniacal mess. She survived and is a far better person than those pretenders in Buckleberry. Harry will have a solid guide with her around.

      • Seraphina says:

        I wonder if this has been comprehended by the RF – that will all the blue blood and all that wealth and what it can buy – they are no better than anyone else and dare I say it – those who have not been afforded the same entitlements and luxury have faired better then them and their children.

    • MsIam says:

      If they don’t see Doria’s daughter as a human with feelings they certainly are not going to extend that courtesy to Doria. Its disgusting.

      • Seraphina says:

        They don’t extend that to anyone who is not them or looks like them. Plain and simple. This is a wake up call for all the countries who still have UK ties – they need to be cut.

    • Truthiness says:

      Doria is the one person in this saga who truly has never stepped a foot wrong, since her daughter met Prince Harry. I don’t know if Carole has been in her cups or smoking the good stuff, but articles like these will infuriate Will and Charles, and the aristos will continue to think “Not Quite Our Class Darling.”

  20. Robin says:

    I am so bored of this narrative that if you come from a single parent family you are somehow damaged and doomed.

    Doria got shot of a toxic man. Her daughter has achieved so much and is a credit to her. Carole Middleton is a crazed woman who has shoved her daughter into a job she can’t do and fails at, publicly, on a daily basis. Who is the worse mother here? And whose daughter has turned out with bigger life issues? Single parent children do not equal failures. I’m one. I have a first class degree and PhD for starters.

    I have been catching up on the Diana at 60 programmes, and practically the first thing our of Penny Junor’s mouth was that Diana was damaged goods because she was a single parent child. Pretty hush hush about her husband, who was dumped at Gordonstoun and hated every minute, and whose resentment towards his father started there. And who was told to groom a young virgin for his broodmare while keeping a mistress. Healthy parenting and what a success – a man whose son has got as far away from him as possible.

    • Bea says:

      I completely agree with you. I am so SICK of this rhetoric as well. There isn’t a perfect generic formula regarding what a family should look like because you are erasing so many types of family: solo moms, gay parents, adopted children, children that were raised by their grandparents etc etc etc… having two (heterosexual) married parents doesn’t guarantee that your family is healthy. Kate (top CEO of early childhood) should know this and do something to stop this toxic garbage to being perpetuated…

      And saying you’re damaged goods because you come from a “broken family” (on the basis of THEIR concept of a “perfect family”) is just so disrespectful and mean… I can’t even.

      • t'other says:

        Early Years! hmmm . . . broken family = damaged goods. That’s a helluva campaign slogan.

  21. ElleE says:

    A. Levin is just so over-the-top with the grief porn; it is almost chilling how she can’t write a sentence about Harry without first creating an image of him, walking behind Diana’s coffin.

    I haven’t clicked on the source article here, I just imagine that she somehow conjured up the same imagery of Wills at some point. What the hell happened to Angela as she watched that funeral? It’s defined her journalistic career.

    Creepy movie images: A. Levin writing her 2017 Newsweek article about Harry, in her apartment, lights out, lit only by her desk light. Camera pans to the walls, covered with photos of the funeral….

  22. Nic919 says:

    To put an article out like this days before the Diana memorial is pretty classless. But then again that’s what Carole has done from day one. Do whatever it takes to catch and hold on to the tiara even if that includes sacrificing your daughter’s self respect because who cares if a prince cheats on you and barely tolerates you, he is still a prince.

    And the Middletons are not good parents. Just because they aren’t dysfunctional in the same way as the Windsors doesn’t mean they aren’t messed up themselves. None of the kids turned out to be well adjusted adults.

    • Merricat says:

      +1 Nic

    • Becks1 says:

      It’s classless and just shows you how desperate the Midds are. Carole needs to remind everyone that Diana wasn’t really a good mother, SHE’S william’s “real” mother, not that lady that is getting a statute. Ignore diana! Look at Carole!

  23. Lizzie says:

    Charles and Camilla don’t have a good marriage? I thought that was the cover for all of their mistreatment of Diana, they have always been in love and should have married each other when they were young.

    • Cecilia says:

      I 100% believe that charles was a bit of a sleaze bag in his younger years and that camilla was prob not his only mistress. But when it comes to their marriage i think cam and charles are solid. Camilla doesn’t need this desperate pr. Unlike kate.

      • Ann says:

        Yeah, Charles and Camilla seem solid to me. Camilla must be pretty tough, honestly, to just get on with it when she’s been so vilified (sometimes rightly so) for so long. Sure, he had other mistresses but she was married herself, it was complicated. I get the sense she was always kind of the one for him. They got each other, they had a history.

      • equality says:

        I think Camilla isn’t desperate for the PR because she truly isn’t impressed by the royal thing. She appears to take on the causes and patronages that interest her and is a good sport about the public appearances but she really doesn’t care about the being FQ.

      • Maria says:

        Read the stories that you can from the time he was married to Diana. He had other mistresses than Camilla, like Janet Jenkins and Kanga Tryon (who he called “the only woman who ever understood me”) and he played all four women off each other for his convenience.

      • SnoodleDumpling says:

        I find it difficult to accept as true anything that the English tabloids say, but the English aristocracy is infamous for fucking each other constantly in new and sometimes incestuous combinations, Charles WAS a young and relatively* attractive man who was also heir to the throne, it was the 1980s, and the man did admit on international television to one affair.

        Fairly safe to say there may have been a few others.

        *Aristocrats, man…the bar is low.

    • sunny says:

      That is the narrative. I think they have a great marriage but it was a re-writing of history. Camilla wanted to and did marry Andrew Parker Bowles. She would have been cool to be a royal mistress forever.

      • Tessa says:

        Camilla did not want to marry Charles then and Charles told his biographer DImbleby he was not ready to marry when he met Camilla. He could have told her if he had been so inclined to wait for him to return from a navy tour. He did not. I am not sure the marriage is “great.” She kept her own home to retreat to. They are married for life because 1) he put out the Great Love spin and would look foolish if he divorced her; 2) he cannot afford a second divorce and still be King. Charles named Camilla in that TV interview so there was no return, her father asked what he was going to do now that he named her.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think Charles and Camilla do still care for each other but they also are on the same page as to how they want their marriage to be. So if they aren’t living together full time it does not matter as much because they are more flexible about it. And in public they don’t give off awkward vibes.

        Kate seems to have expected something entirely different from what William was prepared to offer and now that he’s totally disinterested in her she doesn’t know how to deal with it because she dedicated her entire adult life to him. Camilla never did that for Charles.

  24. Daphne says:

    The Woodvilles really are pushing their luck with this. Their fall is going to be epic when it comes.

  25. Over it says:

    Hold my shoe,,,, these two god awful bitches Angela and Carole. Harry has found his happiness with his wife and children and I am sure supportive mother in law in queen Doria, a woman who knows how to stay out of grown ass folks business. Carole needs to plant her ass on. Cactus and deflate the bullshit a lot. Kate can’t keep Willy because for that to happen you would have had to move in with them permanently. And them Micheal would have divorced your ass which would have destroyed your perfect family image you want us to believe. Also I thought Harry was lying about having an unstable damage childhood. Pick a story line you idiots and stick to it.

  26. Harper says:

    Guess that house purchase in Bucklebury closed and the moving vans have dumped Kate’s bags in the driveway, because otherwise why is Ma Middleton committing Royal Suicide by dissing Diana?

    • Hyacinth Bucket says:

      Something’s up. Harry and Meghan are going to be farther and farther removed from the UK. The tabloids will need more drama and the focus will be on the Cambridges.

    • t'other says:

      Agreed. Now Charles can give Archie a title, which begins to thaw relations with Harry (ha!) and lets Charles move Camilla into the Queen consort slot as he wants. Will gets rid of Kate and the RF blame her for all of Megxit.

    • Lionel says:

      Dissing Diana fits right into the BRF playbook at the moment. It’s not oppositional, it’s supporting Will’s “you contributed to (but did not cause, as it was already there) her paranoia” strike against the BBC. All part of Charles’ grand plan to elevate Camilla.

      • Tessa says:

        William was not nice to Diana even when she was alive, he pulled some stunts like forbidding her to go to the Eton picnic at the last minute (she had prepared a lunch for them) and he also barred Charles. I don’t think those who like Diana take this Carole story seriously. People are aware of how she pushed her children to “marry well.” and of course the way her brother Gary has behaved.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Lionel, do you think the public will react favorably to the above article? Personally, I’ve said before that PC needs to make Camilla Queen-Consort when he becomes King. If he would start coming across as a decisive man, I think he’d get it done without a huge backlash. And, I doubt the backlash would last long. Even before Di had divorced she said that she would never be Queen, so I don’t think people ever thought of her as Queen. She will always remain the beloved Princess Di. That’s also why I think this article is really ill advised on Carole’s part. I wonder what the older generation in the UK thinks about what’s been written?

        I also think that if PW wants a divorce, he should just go for it. Divorce isn’t the big stigma it once was. If the palaces go all out on the Mids took advantage of a traumatized W just a few years after his mother’s death, I think it makes a great starting place to make him sympathetic. To say nothing of the fact that there’s probably lots of stuff that the brf can throw at them (that are true). They’re making this way harder than it needs to be.

      • Lionel says:

        Hi S&S! It’s a good question and I honestly don’t know the answer, because, as we’ve seen, the BRF’s playbook isn’t necessarily working for them. But my understanding is that most of the smallish slice of England that cares about the BRF seem to like Kate, and have bought into the “Carole-Midd-as-mother-figure” myth. And they’ve also heard the “Diana-was-crazy” myth a billion times at this point so they might just skip over that part. Of course, it also has the potential to enrage the Diana lovers, so we’ll see.

        But mainly I think the article is intended on two levels: 1) to further Carole’s agenda and 2) to counteract all the fawning Diana coverage that’s coming on Thursday. This second point plays right into Charles’ hands, whether intentional or not.

        And finally, totally agree that if W wants a divorce he should just get one (although maybe that requires some sort of permission from the Queen or Charles that he’s not getting?) and if Charles wants Camilla to be QC then he should just do it when the time comes. The news cycle lasts like 15 minutes these days, I doubt the vast majority of Britons GAF what she’s called.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Lionel, It could be that W is being allowed a separation from K. Time will tell. I think the saying that everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame needs to be changed to 60 seconds. That’s about how long news lasts before it changes, so I totally agree with you.

  27. Eurydice says:

    Well, if Carole was responsible for Will’s upbringing and how he’s conducted his life for the past 20 years, that explains a lot – and not in a good way.

    • Over it says:

      Omg . You are completely right because if you put all three of her children and Willy together, they still don’t make a full grown functioning adults

    • Tessa says:

      She probably masterminded also how Kate should “behave” with William. ANd she told William as the years went on how much her daughter “sacrificed” to be with him. ANd what will he do about it?

  28. NCDancer says:

    My god, this is gross. The whole family is garbage. Toss them all in the bin.

  29. MsIam says:

    I find it interesting that when Harry mentions his upbringing and his father he’s told to shut up and not air dirty laundry. By no less of a gentleman than dear Uncle Gary. However, William has implied his mother was paranoid and isolated in the years before she died and this article is implying that Diana was promiscuous and a bad mother, and yet it’s *crickets* to that. So I guess it does matter whose dirty drawers are shown in public or maybe its just that Diana is not here to defend herself.

    • Cecilia says:

      What matters is who is doing the telling. Harry said it himself with his chest on an international platform. While william’s story is being told through the tabloid press.

      The tabloids have been saying for a decade at this point that the brother’s childhood wasn’t all that and that charles was sometimes an absent father. But because harry took away their right to speak for him, they have an axe to grind with him.

  30. Jan says:

    If unable’s family life was so perfect, how come none of their grown up children can’t be successful adults, they can’t get a job without family/friends help, and when they get the job, they fail at it, even Charities are not spared.
    Maybe if Carole Kardashain had spent, just a bit more time with James, nah have two daughter to marry off.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Great point. How did Meghan from a broken home & with that father (I’m assuming his issues aren’t completely new) achieve WAY more than all 3 Middleton kids?

      if William learnt about how to be a loving& supportive family from the Middletons why wasn’t he supportive of his brother& his new wife? The latest claim is he threw them out of KP after hearing bullying claims that he didn’t even investigate. Doesn’t sound very loving or supportive. Lesson failed apparently.

      And yes as poster mentioned it’s beyond tacky to have these digs at Diana in this article.

  31. Over it says:

    Good parents don’t pimp their children out to make themselves seem important. Carole you are very much not a good mother. Your a trick mummy.

  32. carousel says:

    Slamming Diana the week of her much hyped memorial is a hell of a strategy there, Carole. Good luck with whatever you’re hoping to accomplish with that.

  33. AVEA says:

    This is some creepy shit right here. And Angela levin makes it worse, as per usual

  34. TheOriginalMia says:

    Wow. Carole really believes she’s the Queen Mum. 2 days before the unveiling and she’s basically calling Diana a horrible mother. I mean…wtf?! This is disrespectful af. Diana is beloved, flaws and all. What exactly has Kate or Carole done to garner the same affection from the public.

    William is going to destroy them when the time comes. And this article will be exhibit #1 in his case against Ma Midds and her manipulation of a grief stricken, motherless, impressionable 19 yo. She should have kept her mouth closed, but she just can’t help herself.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Carol(e) has always always over played her hand – she does not know when to stop or shut her mouth.

      The Middletons live in some sort some of delusional bubble where they are more important that they actually are – they think the public love Kate and by extensions are interested in her siblings.

      I think Cain cut the Carol(e) apron strings and thats why we are seeing stories like this – she’s trying to pull him back in. Embigging herself at the expense of Diana is a bad bad bad bad move that will end badly for the whole lot of them.

    • Tessa says:

      Diana would have totally seen through Carole. Big time.

      • Truthiness says:

        💯 Too bad Diana isn’t a mean spirited ghost freaking out people who speak badly of her.

  35. Becks1 says:

    As a random – these christening pics are 6 years old, Charles looks so much better here. Like he seems to have aged 10-15 years in the last 6. And look at William’s hair!

  36. Nan says:

    I’m sorry, but the head on the lap thing still makes me cringe!

    • Merricat says:

      Yeah, it’s the sort of thing that an actual mother-figure wouldn’t publicize about her grown ffk son-in-law, as it’s personal and would be poignant if it weren’t being used as a selling point.

  37. Gruey says:

    Hot damn you folks are psychic this week!!! Literally every detail of every move of both Keen and Bulliam’s PR was predicted.

    What’s the old adage? Idk something something once you can predict what someone does it means you understand what the truth is? So yeah…sorry Cambridge stans but the absolute accuracy of Celebitchy comments’ predictions shows that that marriage is FUCKED.

  38. Sofia says:

    How creepy. There’s nothing wrong with being close to your MIL (even if you’re closer to her than your own mother) but to do it a few days before the Diana’s statue unveiling? Trash.

    (And honestly there’s close and then there’s…. whatever Carole and William are)

  39. Mooney says:

    I’m sorry if I sound weird, but this constant reminder of Mr Incandescent and Carole with an E’s relationship hints dangerously of Oedipus complex 🙈. Ok I said it..

    However it’s one thing to praise Carole but in the process dissing Diana?? This is really a dangerous game the midds are playing. This can be used against them by KP in a heartbeat if he wants to dumps Top CEO.

    And let’s say, Woldemort is somehow Involved. That should be a red flag enough for the midds klan. If he can call his own mother paranoid and chase away his own brother,then their daughter is literally NOTHING.

    • Zebz says:

      especially comments on William being drawn to Diana’s magnetic charm. Wtf.

      • Nyro says:

        Carol’s using Diana as a stand-in with that line. What Carole’s implying is that William is drawn to her, which is also projection. What she really means that she’s into William, basically.

    • Nyro says:

      It’s stomach turning, for sure. As is William’s obsession over Meghan “stealing” his brother from him. These people all have very weird ideas about family relationships.

  40. Bettyrose says:

    The huevos on this woman. She insults Diana’s parenting and makes William look emotionally needy? Does Carol really have no fear?

  41. Bea says:

    This is so disrespectful in so many levels.
    1) This was released the week BEFORE the unveiling of the statue of Williams and Harry’s REAL mom. This timing is so so off… it is so vulgar.

    They are even trashing Diana…

    2) William and Harry already have a MOM.

    3) This relationship between Carole and William is kind of weird… she is his mother in law… are there any boundaries in this relationship? Do they know that you can love someone without trying to take space from other people… William and Harry’s already have a mom and that space is already taken.

    4) Talking about the fact that Meghan comes from “a broken home” only because her parents are divorced… I mean… it is BETTER to get divorced than to stay (or marry) with someone that you don’t like anymore. Staying marriage is not better than calling it quits when it doesn’t work anymore…

    All this is so crazy and disrespectful… and then people say that Meghan is the one wanting attention… I mean… 😱

    • SamB says:

      This “broken home” thing must still play with the Brits. In the US it’s an insult when over 50% of the population is divorced.

      • Eurydice says:

        Well, 75% of the Queen’s children are divorced, so the Brits must be used to it.

      • bettyrose says:

        Is the divorce rate lower in the UK? If so, I’d be curious why that would be. (My theory would be that marriage is less stressful, people don’t have to rush into marriage to ensure a partner/partner’s children has/have health insurance following a move or a layoff.)

      • notasugarhere says:

        In the UK, forty percent of marriages end in divorce.

      • Lady D says:

        It’s the same in Canada, nota.

  42. Ania says:

    Jesus this is pathetic. I guess we should expect unveiling of another statue for his second mummy?

  43. Psyren says:

    Protected from what? Reality? Accountability?

  44. SamB says:

    Carole basically reminding William what side of the toast his cheese is on…YIKES. It has to be really bad for Carole to put this article out. Kate looking for a home didn’t do the trick. Here’s the thing. I don’t think William gave 2 cents about Meghan/Harry until Carole/Kate made him care. This Kate future Queen plan has backfired. We all must remember that Kate NEVER accepted Meghan. In the beginning she did everything possible to upstage Meghan including wearing the same colors as Meghan on engagements on the same day Meghan had engagements to upstage her. Going to Wimbledon when Meghan was going to watch Serena just to pull rank on Meghan. The BS about Pippa’s wedding. Coming off maternity leave to try and upstage Meghan on her first balcony appearance. The Big Lie, Meghan made Kate cry. All the Uncle Gary articles. The list goes on…..All of this is CAROLE..PERIOD

    • JT says:

      In the beginning William didn’t seem to have a problem with Meghan and then he just turned. That’s what was said at the time and going by how Will was grinning like a fool around Meghan during an engagement, that seems to be the case.

      • Zebz says:

        William fell in love with Meghan imo. He was smiling like a maniac and blushing in meghans first Christmas video when he was walking with her as they were leaving. She has the same charisma that his mother had, without trying to be her. She just is. The entire firm became energized and had to step it up because of her entering. The appearance of embracing her made everyone look good especially Charles. I believe Meghan rejected William which caused him to hate Meghan because he was rarely ever told no. It has been years now and he still can’t let go of Meghan. This concern for Harry is pure bs.

      • MMadison says:

        Don’t forget the Balcony moment The Queen gave Meghan. William literally pushed Kate aside so that Meghan could have her moment next to the Queen. Now having said that I also believe that Meghan was being used by the Clarence House and BP to ensure Charles’s place with the Commonwealth. But I also agree that William had no problem with Meghan initially but something happen…maybe the Aussie tour??

  45. candy says:

    Interesting use of the word “damaged.” That was their adjective for Diana, too.

  46. Coco says:

    Now I keep picturing William as Jared Leto’s Joker, with a tattoo that says “Damaged” across his forehead.

  47. Linney says:

    All these pro-Kate and pro-Carole articles are making my head spin. They have always pushed their own twisted agenda, but I agree these intensified stories signal that not all is well in “Cheese-toast” land.

  48. Kitty says:

    I’m laughing my arse off here, de face on Kate at de football, William is totally over her !!

    • Nic919 says:

      It was so awkward to watch. No one can see them and think they are still together. Huge vibes of Charles and Diana before they announced the separation. With George in the middle.

  49. NotSoSocialButterfly says:

    That’s one batshit-insane article.

  50. olliesmom says:

    So is that saying that Kate and Wills are like brother and sister? That explains everything.

  51. Jaded says:

    This is a thinly veiled threat. “Look what I’ve done for you…I’ve accepted you as family, listened to all your troubles, treated you like you were my own son, overlooked all your stupid peccadilloes, embiggened your rage-monster ass, MADE YOU CHEESE TOAST FOR GOD’S SAKE!!”

    Cue Uncle Gary in 3…2…1…

    This was not a good shot across the bow Carol(E), the Windsors will destroy you.

    • Christina says:

      Imagine reading in the papers that you told your MIL that your mom discussed her romantic relationships with you as a boy. That’s the kind of detail that tells the target (William) that the abuser (Carole) is in charge. Not that Wills isn’t an abuser, too, but Carole is asserting herself in a dangerous way that is about to backfire on her ass. Carole isn’t married to William and the Machine. Kate is.

      That marriage is over.

    • Nyro says:

      This! “After all I’ve done for you!!!” Yep. The statue unveiling shutout has hit the Middletons hard. Carol’s straight up raging.

  52. adri3nne says:

    OMG I cant believe this is in an actual paper. I can’t wrap my head around it, things must be really bad behind the scenes for her to feel the need to go on the record with this. It’s insulting to Doria and Meghan (which is to be expected, I guess) but it’s also extremely insulting to Diana, literally 2 days before they celebrate her life and her 60th birthday with this statue. We all know she gave everything she could to William and Harry and she worked really hard to give them a decent childhood within the toxic situation they were in.

    Also, Harry was attacked by the press for days after he talked about his difficult upbringing on Dax Shepard’s podcast, yet Mama Middleton is allowed to say this? This is way more offensive than anything Harry has said about his family.

  53. Shawna says:

    I’m late to the thread, but this makes me wonder if the narrative that’s been floated here — that PWT will claim that Ma Middleton manipulated him — could actually be true. It wouldn’t excuse a tenth of what PWT has done, and it wouldn’t alone have made him a rage monster…. but maybe Carole did mess with him in an abhorrent way. We’ve mused on it as a plausible way for PWT to defend a divorce from Keen Karen, but it could also be true.

    • GRUEY says:

      I started thinking the same! William was freakishly sheltered and also probably very vulnerable. Harry’s response was destructive behaviors, to leave England and ultimately to marry Meghan and go to therapy. Charles obviously didn’t lose his mother but he was similarly sheltered yet treated horribly and the Camilla obsession was part of his response. We don’t really know what happened with William. He hasn’t told us the truth (like Harry) and the press hasn’t ripped into his secrets (like his father). We just don’t know…

      Ok I know this is absolutely so gross and weird but there is something about all this that makes me wonder if something very inappropriate, umm, sexually happened between ma Mids and wills. I know I know but this is all giving me hella Homelander and Stilwell vibes (a gross Oedipal relationship between a psycho fascist superhero and his corporate manager who loses control of him). Anyway….

    • India says:

      It is said by many that Carole did manipulate PWT in many ways. It was a massive group effort by all of the Middletons. There is no telling what that woman did to reel him in and gain control. Very disturbing.

      • Shawna says:

        I think I had been brushing off commenters saying this before because I thought Carole’s control over PWT was just Middleton propaganda. Like, she only *wanted* to believe they had a tight relationship. But with this article, major creepy vibes.

      • Curious says:

        doubt Carole had any control over William, he just let her believe she had control cause William still didn’t want to marry Catherine ,it took him like 8 or 9 yrs to propose . if Carole had any power over William she would have made their marriage happen earlier. Carole couldn’t control William when he broke up with Catherine. while William was playing nice to Carole,he was still cheating on Catherine before they was married and after.

  54. Sister says:

    How is Gloria R. doing?

  55. EveV says:

    I have always been one of the people that know that the Cambridges are living separate lives but thought that they would NEVER divorce (because why would Wills give up his good family man image when that is literally the only thing he has going for him?).
    But I’m starting to change my tune after these past few weeks. First, there was the Scotland tour where William looked absolutely pained any time he was near Kate. Then, this whole Kate not coming to the unveiling and all the over the top PR that’s come along with it… Chile, it’s stinking to high heavens over at Amber or Kensington or wherever they are living apart these days

    • GRUEY says:

      I was too. I commented in another thread that they look absolutely miserable at the football game today. If they are trying to rebut speculation that they are divorcing, it’s like they can’t even fake it. I’ve been in happy and miserable relationships and the pics just don’t lie

      • Tessa says:

        They brought George The Heir, for a dynastic moment. George dressed in a suit. It reminded me of the photos of the “heirs” at the beginning of the 20th century, the Prince at age 6 on a balcony saluting the troops. And the spares stayed home.

  56. Basi says:

    This is really crazy. CarolE is going to the press and sharing intimate and confidential information from talks with William.
    I’m good friends with the wife of a coach in my town of a huge well known sports team. She’s on high alert and on guard. I take everything she tells me seriously. I don’t even tell good friends of mine how old she is. This is on a much much smaller scale.
    Bottom line. This is a betrayal of trust! Things are not good between William and Kate. This makes things worse.

    • Curious says:

      karma is here to bite William big time. his mother in law is telling the press about her private conversations she had with William from yrs ago. in time she will reveal everything. William had his people made up lies after lies about Meghan. they also called Harry many nasty names to hurt them . William made up so many lies to to get rid of Meghan and shame Harry, that harry gave up his royal duties and left the country with his wife.Now William trusted mother in law is spilling all the juicy stuff about William life. she is shaming his whole family.Carole is one brave woman to do this while the queen and Charles is away .,anyways Charles won’t care anyways any bad press for Diana is good press for Charles. how will William go to this unveiling of his mother statues after what he told Carole about his mother? and its so weird that Carole decides to tell the press about this just a day before the unveiling of Diana Statue. Seems only Harry understand his mother pain and suffering ,Harry love for his mother is shinning, while William condemns his mother.

      • Basi says:

        I should add I fully support Harry and Meghan; not a fan of Baldimort or Keen. Total karma on William.
        This can’t end well for the Middletons.

  57. Curious says:

    guess since insulting Diana,no point in Catherine going to this unveiling of Diana statue unless Carole gets her own statue of being the best mother for William that also came from a divorced family like Harry. Harry got out and is living a loving life with Meghan and their children. while Carole is using her mouthpiece to write nasty things about Harry/William and their parents..Carole seems to think she is above the queen. Charles also comes from a family that neglected him, but his parents was married and went on to have 3 more children.but Charles got no love ,cause his parents was too busy. it took some yrs and the queen became a more loving mother to her 2 youngest children.Charles still live alone, seems he can’t share a home with his 2nd wife either. think Charles went off for a holiday leaving his wife at her home, where she will be with her children and grandchildren. they spend more time apart than together. wonder what Carole thinks of Camilla and Charles? doubt they are in Carole good books. Charles may not have gotten much attention from his parents , but he got loads from his grandmother, i think he spend a lot of time with her as a child.

    • Tessa says:

      The trouble is that HM indulged Andrew too much and still does. Camilla has her home to retreat to but there will never be any divorce—Charles could not afford a second one.

  58. L4frimaire says:

    Seriously, why is Carole Middleton even a factor in this at all? She needs to take several seats and mind her business. Also, for all intents and purposes, Meghan had a very secure childhood, went to good schools, was well cared for and loved, despite whatever issues she had to navigate with her dad. Having divorced parents does not automatically translate as “ damaged backgrounds”. I’m Gen X and a large percentage of us, along with millenials like Meghan, were latchkey kids with divorced parents/blended families. We’re not “ damaged goods” because we had to navigate between two households. This Levin woman is a conspiracy theory spouting fossil who’s stuck in another era. I’m surprised she’s still not out there fighting women’s suffrage.

  59. Curious says:

    what happened to Catherine uncle? he made the headline a few times for a short time . wanting Catherine to be queen ,disrespecting the line of succession ,and bashing Harry /Meghan. when on a few talk shows too i think. and now he is silent again. did he get gagged from speaking to the press.?

  60. PlainJane says:

    I am happy the Middashian pot farm got referenced again, always here for that!

  61. equality says:

    Harry doesn’t need a surrogate mother to tell him everything will be okay because he got therapy and straightened himself out. In the end, even with good parents, people have to stand on their own. This is not making Will look good. Didn’t H&W have nannies they were close to also? And Harry is supposedly close to Di’s sisters.

  62. paddingtonjr says:

    Carole has realized how precarious Kate’s position is: Willie may have needed Kate 10 years ago to fulfill his responsibility of producing a legitimate an heir and spare(s), but he doesn’t really need her now. But Carole’s misplaying the situation: she’s trying to take a page from the War of the Wales and turn the public’s sympathy towards Kate and the Middletons. She doesn’t realize that no one cares about Kate and the Middletons. Diana was a sympathetic character because she was a pretty, young, shy teenager who blossomed into a beautiful, confident, hard-working wife and mother who realized she would never be Charles’s love. Diana was also from one of the oldest aristocratic families in the UK; she was “our kind”; the Middletons don’t realize they will never be accepted (at least not for a few generations) by the people they so desparately want to be like.

  63. Likeyoucare says:

    Is she vying for her on statue?
    Get on the programme carole….
    You need to die 1st in order to get your own statue.
    This entitle woman(insert eyeroll)

  64. Well Wisher says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen!!
    Introducing the perfect matriarch from the perfect family!!

  65. kelleybelle says:

    What utter fools to even print this BS. Just plain foolishness.

  66. Curious says:

    the press never talks about Catherine father. he seems like he is not in that marriage with Carole. the man don’t go to the press and say his point of anything. he is just there . i never heard this man speak .

  67. Mina_Esq says:

    This is disgusting. They are attacking Diana, Harry and Meghan. And for what? To promote the archaic notion that only married couples can raise healthy adults? Gross. Im also sure that Harry learned a lot about responsibility and support through his years of service in the military. Brothers in arms and all that.

  68. Curious says:

    the royal family ,Carole and their press side kicks are all Pathological liars.

  69. Sarah says:

    I am going to have to respectfully disagree, I don’t think this is a Carole Middleton hit piece at William to stay in line.

    This is a reminder to the British people that even though Diana’s statue unveiling is on July 1st, Carole has been his second mum and she is like the mother that he’s always wanted. You have to look at timing, most of the world will be focused on the unveiling and we
    are going to be in Diana fever for the next couple of days and constantly reminded of how great a mother she was, this is a “hey don’t forget about me, I have been here for William as well”.

    You have to throw in shots at the Sussex’s well because it’s a weekday and they have nothing better to do at the tabloids.

    • PoppedBubble says:

      Why does the public need to be reminded about Carole again? Even if your theory is true, how narcissistic do you have to be to not allow a dead woman her statue unveiling and instead go around telling everyone not to forget about you.