In June, the Daily Mail had that very curious story about how the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were suddenly looking to buy or rent a home in Berkshire. Presumably, Kate wants to be closer to her parents (who live in Berkshire) and there is the assumption that the Cambridges will eventually send Prince George to boarding school, and there are good private schools in that area. Still, it was the first we heard of the Cambridges wanting to move, and the rumors were just shady enough for fill in the blanks that Will and Kate are living separate lives and perhaps looking to make “living apart” a more permanent situation. Even when they’re in Norfolk, it seems like they’re living separately – Kate at Anmer Hall and William at the Sandringham big house. So what if William is also eyeing a property in Windsor? That’s what Dan Wootton claims in his new column, which likely came straight from Kensington Palace. Apparently, William wants Prince Andrew to be kicked out of Royal Lodge at Windsor, and William wants that to be his home. Fascinating.
As Prince Andrew thrusts the monarchy into another catastrophic scandal with Virginia Roberts suing him in a New York court for sex abuse, questions are being asked at the most senior levels of the Royal Family over whether he can retain his Royal Lodge home at Windsor. There is growing outrage from the first and second in line to the throne, Prince Charles and William, about the devastating impact the Duke of York’s personal conduct in regards to his friendship with the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein has had on the institution.
That has resulted in simmering frustration that he remains living a luxurious life in the sprawling 30-room Royal Lodge just three miles away from the Queen at Windsor Castle, a prized property that was home to the Queen Mother from 1952 until her death in 2002.
I’ve learned Prince William has even expressed an interest in his family taking over the property in the medium-term.
Some courtiers doubt Andrew’s reasonable expectation to stay living at his home since 2004, where he has a 75-year lease, given he is no longer a working member of the Royal Family and his daughters, Princess Beatrice and Eugenie, have both moved out. The fact Andrew’s former wife Sarah Ferguson is also now a permanent resident of the Royal Lodge and has been actively using the residence in a recent PR campaign has raised the ire of some courtiers.
While the Queen, who remains personally close to her favourite son Andrew, is unlikely to ask him to move, there is expected for him to be growing pressure to vacate the premises in the years to come, as Charles and William assert their influence.
Andrew was granted a 75-year lease on the property on the understanding he would carry out £7.5 million of renovations at his own expense. After that point, it was agreed that he would not have to pay rent. If he was asked to give up the property, it would be likely a new deal would need to be done for him to move to another royal palace
My royal source revealed: ‘The ongoing personal scandal involving Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein is a source of much heartache for Charles and William who are trying to protect the future of the monarchy. There is now an active discussion at the most senior levels of the Royal Family about how Andrew can remain at the Royal Lodge, given the circumstances. The Queen will not want to upset Andrew and she loves having him close by as they regularly ride together. But he is no longer a working royal and the princesses have both moved out. Prince William is thought to have expressed an interest on taking over the Lodge at some point in the future and it’s unlikely that Charles would stand in his way. It would make more practical sense too, given the size of the Cambridge family and the need for them to be close to London.’
Eyebrows have been raised about Fergie’s flagrant use of the property, including in a string of recent media articles. My royal source explained: ‘Andrew and Sarah might try to argue that she is only a guest, but the reality is that she lives at Royal Lodge and has done so for some time. The Queen is very affectionate towards the Duchess of York, but Prince Charles thinks the whole set up is absolutely outrageous. It adds to the embarrassment of the situation.’
The whole idea of “but where would Andrew even go?!?” is hilarious to me. The Queen owns a huge amount of private property, and the Crown has a vast amount of property and real estate too. If they were looking to move Andrew out of a Crown-owned estate, he would simply move into one of the many privately-owned royal homes on the Sandringham estate or whatever. Or, you know, he could just buy his own damn home. I actually do believe that Andrew should be made to move out of Royal Lodge. It’s tacky that he still lives in the Windsor Castle estate and that he has one of the biggest pieces of prime real estate (while Harry and Meghan were given a decrepit shack to renovate).
As for William eyeing Royal Lodge… well, that’s certainly interesting. Will & Kate already have Kensington Palace Apartment 1, which is one of the larger “apartments” in KP, and is basically a mansion within a palace. Why would Will and Kate need a second home so relatively close by? In addition to Anmer Hall in Norfolk, and in addition to whatever Berkshire hideaway they get. Very curious.
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Hmm, interesting. Either this is fluff to distract from something or is part of the pile on to force Andrew out completely. Cain is on a roll when it comes to forcing out those who don’t kiss his ass or won’t let them be thrown under the Cambridge bus. Unlike Chuck, Andrew has never stood by while his children were trashed by the media and am sure things were said over the recent press with B and E. Rumour is there is no love lost between Andrew and William.
Then again, William has always been the type that has to have the bestest and biggest of all – he’s the FFK dontcha all know.
Yeah, I died laughing when I read the headline because *of course* William wants to win the royal residential d!ck-measuring contest, and Andrew being a criminal gives him the perfect opportunity to kick him out “for the good of the institution” and then move on Royal Lodge. Oh, Bill. So transparent!
Dogmom. Thank you. This is hilarious
What caught my eye was that this is being framed as being about protecting the monarchy from embarrassment. Literally not one word about Andrew being persona non grata because he rapes teens. Just to be clear.
Anyway, I’m kind of all for this! If Andrew isn’t going to prison, may he be moved into ever smaller and more squalid royal properties every few months until his ego collapses.
Exactly this. While I know there is a plethora of reasons why EVERYONE would want him out, I cannot but feel like this is one of Will’s latest tantrums of wanting ALL the toys – especially ones that don’t belong to him bc don’t you know that he is the future future monarch?!
I’m so over it.
Could another reason for him wanting the royal lodge be that he wants more influence over the queen? Charles is basically at the head of things behind the scenes right now, but the queen is technically still the boss. If william wants something that his father won’t let him do/have, he would only be a short car ride removed from the queen so he could pressure her to get what he wants
Idk if I’m off the mark here, but I don’t feel like Will has that kind of relationship with TQ. I always felt that she was closer to Harry, maybe BC he isn’t as tantrum prone.
@ mrs.no, as am I. How does it look to be almost 40 and still acting like a toddler? Baldimort will be the end of the Monarchy as his temper and immaturity will be the death of him. He is so flagrant about his utterly useless toys that are not only damaging the environment but he has these toys at the cost of the British taxpayers as well!!
How is it they have less working royals but need more money?
So when the queen, Charles, Camilla, Andrew and Fergie are all dead, is William just going to fly the royal chopper from one palace to another to run through the rooms screaming “Mine – ALL MINE!!! ahahaha”, his voice echoing through the gilded empty rooms. I’m getting some Home Alone vibes here. All while Kate sets herself up at Frogmore Cottage, burying her face in the drapes and trying to conjure Harry’s spirit.
@ BothSidesNow – “He is so flagrant about his utterly useless toys…” Or do you mean fragrant? LOL! 😉
@LMR, pretty sure you are psychic!
The future-futures need their own personal residence on every royal estate and it should be the best there.
Mrs NO: i don’t think she likes william that much. So we are on the same page where that is concerned. However she is the type to avoid conflict and if there is conflict/crisis, she would rather put her head in the sand. So if william goes to her all guns blazing i can imagine her giving into him, simply to avoid the fall out of his temper tantrum’s
That’s how I read this. Andrew’s criminality is merely a useful lever.
If there’s justice, Andrew will move to a smaller private property behind bars.
While there is no joy in this story, I have to say my day was made with this sentence from the Fail: “Fergie’s fragrant use of the property…”
Too perfect.
Had me wondering if she walked around spraying perfume as she goes.
Exactly, Lady D!
@SuSuSusio probably meant flagrant, which I read it as! 😁 Printing error but amusing! 😁
They probably meant flagrant.
Yes, I know they meant “flagrant.”
The loss of proofreaders makes it sound like Fergie is on the “no bathe” bandwagon.
They do this sort of mistake in just about every story they print. But rarely does it come out this funny.
Thank you 809Matriarch and Capepopsie
Fergie and the stank of grifting. Perfect typo/Freudian slip
Even if this is not true, I’m so glad Harry’s family is out of this mess and perhaps Eugenie and Beatrice too. Andrew and William can fight all they want. Just pity the taxpayers.
H&M got out right on time. Father God, protect and bless them and their children.
The timing of sussexit could bot have been better honestly
@Scorpion, Amen! They got out and independent in the nick of time. Now I just want them to buy a country estate or a posh townhouse and completely remove themselves from the royal influence. If I were them, I would not feel comfortable with Charles or William having a say in where I live when I visit the UK. Not when they are motivated by such petty behaviour.
I’m a little amazed that Danny Rotten managed to put out an entire article that doesn’t blame Meghan and Harry for it.
I was very surprised myself LOL
Me too!
The next story will be how the Keens had their hearts set on Frogmore, but Harry and Meghan stole it away from them. Now they, broken hearted, may have to settle for Royal Lodge.
One wonders whether H&M would ever come back to Frogmore if William took over Royal Lodge.
Cue…..Meghan sipping her tea from her 11 million dollar mansion in Montecito, CA.
LOL! Don’t forget the 16 bathrooms.
Notice when Eugenie and Jack moved out of Kensington (to get away from dumb and dumber) they did not move into one of the million rooms in Royal Lodge. They went straight to Frogmore. They are not naïve, and see the writing on the wall.
This story is so peculiar, and bears no relevance to whats going on. If he has sovereign immunity, and therefore cannot be compelled to testify, why should that impact where he lives? Seems to me like William has had his eye on the property and just wants to boot Andrew out.
Since Andrew is no longer a working royal he should not be living on property owned by the crown. The Queen has tons of private properties and he should be housed at her expense, not the taxpayers.
He wasn’t living there on the tax payers dime. He was required to pay for renovations costing around $7.5 million. That money most likely came from the Queen’s private money, but it brought money into the crown estates that wouldn’t have otherwise. Many crown estate properties are rented out to non royals, but places like Royal lodge are tricky. The rent is super high and it would be difficult to find a suitable tenant. It doesn’t do the tax payers any good to have the houses empty. Unless they can find a way to make it a museum, Andrew paying for renovations is better than nothing.
There are plenty of people who live in Crown Estate properties who are not working royals. C.E. properties are not exclusive to working royals. You pay the lease, you’ve purchased the lease, you get to live there.
According to the contract, he would get some of the money back if he terminates the lease before he’s lived there for 25 years , but the amount decreases for every year. After 25 years he’d get nothing, meaning he’d give up 50 years of free housing. He’d be stupid to give up the Royal Lodge, and afaik the contract doesn’t state he’d have to be a working member to live there. He was 42 or 43 y.o. when he signed the contract, meaning he’d be way over a hundred years old before the lease expires. No one expects a 100+ to be working. Will and Chaze would have to pay up a hefty sum to get him out of there.
Also, if Andrew dies before the lease is up, it is inherited by his wife and daughters. He’s not giving that up.
@Couch potato Knowing what kind of cheapskates both Charles AND Will are, I’m betting they’re starting the push to move Andrew out now so that when those 25 years have passed they actually have enough momentum to boot him at no cost to them. He was 42 or 43 when he signed the contract, he recently turned 60, only 7 or 8 years left before he gets nothing.
If he can chase his brother out, mistreat his sister in law and disrespect Charles (which he deserves anyway) why would he treat his uncle any different? Unless his uncle has something on him. Anyway it’s easier to chase his uncle out since the uncle doesn’t deserve to stay there after stepping down. Don’t think Andrew will give it up that easily though. Something will be swapped.
Also, Andrew’s dirty secrets are coming to light. I can’t imagine William has THAT much more dirt still on him, but I imagine Andrew still has a lot of dirt on William, and he’s not going to feel as obliged to protect Charles and William by keeping quiet as others do. If William wants to go to war with Andrew, it could get very ugly IMO.
Interesting comment Alexandria.
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Wooten’s article says the contract negotiations to force Andrew out could take years. In other words, years to negotiate means it won’t happen until after the Queen dies, but then Andrew is out. The idea is most likely being floated now because Wooten called William to ask about the lawsuit against Andrew and William gave him this.
The Royal Lodge is gorgeous and William and Kate are probably salivating over it. The good thing about this is that we know William is headstrong and a bully and in wresting the Royal Lodge from the Yorks he will piss them off so royally that one of them will get their revenge on William. And it will be worse than Bea wearing a hat that looks like fallopian tubes to get laughs at your royal wedding.
@Becks1..is it possible we will start to see leaks from the York’s on the Cambridge’s?
@MMadison I’m not sure because we still have the whole issue of the press refusing to print what they already know. But I think if William manages to kick Andrew out of his lease Andrew will make it clear that William and Kate don’t live together. What’s the saying, don’t push someone who has nothing to lose or whatever? At this point, Andrew has very little left to lose – just Royal Lodge and his security. his mommy pays for his security so that’s a non-issue for the moment. Take away Royal Lodge and make him live in a “lesser” property? I think he’s going to fight back.
@ Becks1, that’s quite right! Don’t push someone who has nothing to lose, which Andrew has nothing to lose at this point. As long as TQ is alive, he is protected. But if TOBB comes after his domicile, he will come out fighting, for he is after all, since a Prince and the child of the Monarchy.
@Becks1….IMO Eugenie and Fergie public support of M&H pretty much indicates they are ready to fight. I think William moving to Royal Lodge is an excuse to kick Fergie/Andrew out. At this rate after the Queen moves on do you think it the working Royals will be Charles/Camilla, William/Kate and Anne? It seems like Charles is throwing both brothers out.
Andrew doesn’t have sovereign immunity. His role as trade envoy was covered by sovereign immunity status but not to him as an individual, so now that he’s not performing any royal duties he’s f*cked. The Queen is the only member of the royal family who has it.
Well well well. The plot thickens. Andrew has that 75 year lease and I do not see him giving that up quietly. someone (cough Charles cough) is going to have to pay him to have him give up the lease and move. I don’t think he’s going to do it though unless another royal property is offered to him (Wood Farm or a place in KP maybe.)
Also, this line: “given the size of the Cambridge family and the need for them to be close to London.”
First, the Cambridges have three children. The implication that Anmer or KP is too small for them bc of those three children is just ridiculous.* Second – the need to be close to London? THAT’S WHY THEY HAVE THE HUGE APARTMENT IN KENSINGTON PALACE!!! So they can be IN London!
Anyway, putting this together with the recent stories about the Cambridges looking at property in Berkshire and the pieces are starting to come together. I * my line above about KP being too small because it occurred to me as I was writing that – Wootton is making a point here about mentioning that Fergie also lives at Royal Lodge, even though they are divorced, i.e. Royal Lodge is big enough for two adults to live and maintain separate lives. So maybe the idea isn’t that Anmer is too small for the children, but its too small for the children AND William AND Kate.
Isn’t windsor also in berkshire? And the fact that fergie and andrew are divorced and both live at the royal lodge didn’t escape me either. Very curious indeed that william is now eyeing up the property.
Big enough to live separate while remaining “married” for the public. Smart. Tho idk how the public would react to the Cambridges getting a 3rd property
Yes, according to geography lessons on here from The Hench a few weeks ago (lol), Windsor is in Berkshire, so if George goes to school in Berkshire and then Eton a place like Royal Lodge would be very convenient.
Some of us speculated at the time (weeks ago) that the Cambridges were eyeing up Frogmore Cottage. But Royal Lodge makes more sense.
@becks1: frogmore cottage would be too small for the Cambridges. So yes the royal lodge makes more sense. Close enough to the queen for when william wants to pressure her in getting his way. And its big enough to live separately, as we already pointed out.
Haha. Popping back in to continue my geography lesson, Windsor and Eton are literally side-by-side divided only by the River Thames.
You cross the footbridge from Windsor just down the road from the castle and you are then in Eton. Apparently William used to walk over the bridge to the castle to have tea with Granny when he was at school.
The Royal Lodge is in Windsor great Park so probably a 20 minute drive to Eton School, mainly because you have to go around the river by road.
@Becks: I think the underlying story is that William and Kate want to move out of London but remain nearby. The Windsor/Berkshire area would be ideal. Frogmore Cottage’s lease comes up in March 2022 but that would not be a viable option for William and Kate because it’s too small and it was previously occupied a black person.
I’m laughing at your last sentence because it’s not funny but its so true. William and Kate would never live there.
(maybe Kate would if she had no other choice?)
So then to me the next question is – if they want to move out of London but remain nearby, are they going to give up 1A?
@Becks: My guess is that they will keep KP and use it when they have evening engagements in London.
When Q dies, E&J move to the states, Andrew moves to Frogmore Cottage w Fergie and Wm moves to Royal Lodge….
Its about an hr drive from Middleton Manor to Windsor!!! This could be for Katie Keen and the kids only.
Exactly, Andrew has a lease. Is William going to cough up enough money to buy him out or is he expecting TQ or PC to? Making the point that he isn’t a “working” royal doesn’t really stand anyway. Bea and Eugenie lived on crown properties and weren’t “working” royals.
If this is true, I wonder if William plans to keep their office at Kensington Palace, but have the family live at the Royal Lodge. It seems like RL provides a lot more privacy than KP given it’s size, set-up, and location.
There aren’t as many/any pesky Royal neighbors, offices, or tourists around who could clock the coming and going of its occupants and their guests. Which is also quite handy for people wishing to live separate lives under the same roof.
Included in Andrew’s lease of the royal lodge is; The royal Lodge, the Gardeners Cottage, the Chapel Lodge, SIX (yes six!!) Lodge Cottages and accomodation for RPOs. The Royal Lodge has 30 rooms, including 7 bedrooms, but there’s no mention of the numer of bathrooms😉 Anmer apparently has 10 bedrooms, so the Lodge itselves would provide fewer bedroom, but with the other cottages, they wouldn’t have to live under the same roof.
but we MUST KNOW how many bathrooms there are!
this is VITAL INFORMATION!!!
“First, the Cambridges have three children. The implication that Anmer or KP is too small for them bc of those three children is just ridiculous.* Second – the need to be close to London? THAT’S WHY THEY HAVE THE HUGE APARTMENT IN KENSINGTON PALACE!!! So they can be IN London!”
This was literally my only takeaway from this article.
“The plot thickens. Andrew has that 75 year lease and I do not see him giving that up quietly. someone (cough Charles cough) is going to have to pay him to have him give up the lease and move.”
When he becomes king, all Charles has to do to get Andrew out of there for free is order him to go to America and talk to the FBI. Because there’s good odds Andrew won’t be allowed to come back until he’s spent some quality time in an orange jumpsuit. 😀
I think the Windsor point is most of note.
George has just turned 8 and it’s possible his parents will want to send him to Eton in 4-5 years time as per family tradition.
So it seems as if the Camb’s are looking for a base proximate to Eton for George and Louis in advance.
As other posters have mentioned the negotiations with Andy will take a number of years and then there is the huge decor job that Carole will want to do in order to get the property Hotel chic ready.
Yikes. I agree that Andrew should not get to stay at Royal Lodge, but I believe the lease was written so that the property would transfer to B & E jointly on Andrew’s death. Surely the next step is giving it to the York sisters and not William. Clearly William needs a new “country pile” for his estranged wife and kids and he doesn’t have the coin his brother has to buy.
I think this is what may be going on. We have discussed the possibility of a third home for the Cambridges and some have said no way will the Queen or Charles pay for a third house for them, my position had been that they would if that house was part of Kate’s divorce settlement. But maybe they are still saying no (or there is no divorce), so now William is trying to throw his weight around in the press to remind everyone that Andrew lives in Royal Lodge and really he, the FFK, should be living there, after all the Queen Mother used to live there!!!!! – and once Andrew is booted out William can either move his family in, move in without his family, whatever.
Kate wont get royal lodge . Only born royals will get those houses. That’s why Kate is searching for home near her parents. Maybe william wants that home . But he have to give up either amber or kp palace. Royal family members wont allow only heirs get all the house.
I have a question if the monarchy is getting dismantled after queen or William. How they will divide their properties which was privately owned . I mean as of now only heirs are guardian but heirs cant fully own these properties.
I dont know about properties law in uk but in my country if the property is purchased by my grandfather , every single one of his descendants has equal rights to it .
Maybe William gets royal lodge and she gets the apartment in Kensington, so this is whole thing is less about Kate being close to her parents and more about William and Kate separating in a more official fashion. Remember Diana had the apartment in KP after the divorce. No way are they going to toss the mother of the future future future king out and not offer her a place with security.
William is the greediest person on earth, my goodness.
His greed almost makes me pity him. He will never be happy with what he has. When he gets to the top of the heap, he’s going to be one disappointed little manchild, with another 30-40 years stretching out in front of him. By then he will have alienated his wife, children, father, brother, ass-kissing relatives and every one of his in-laws, although James will try hard to hang around him. A rather empty future.
Kate wouldn’t receive ownership of any of these properties in a divorce. Royal Lodge is Crown Estate property. Kensington Palace is taxpayer property. Anmer Hall is Lizzie’s private property. William owns none of those properties; Kate cannot claim any of it in a divorce.
They’re not going to set Kate up in something as massive at Royal Lodge as her grace and favour temporary divorce house, especially as William will be trying to ease Wife #2 into the public eye.
I think Windsor castle is really close to Eton. I wonder if that’s why they want a place at Windsor?
Windsor Castle is literally a 15 minute walk from Eton, but if George is a boarder do they need to be that close? The school Charlotte and George currently go to in London is not convenient to Kensington Palace at all, which is why this feels like a convenient excuse more than anything. Windsor is 45 mins by car, 1 hour by train from Kensington so its convenient for George to travel home on weekends and school holidays.
I read this as William telling his family that if they don’t want him to divorce Keen then the Royal Lodge is the price they need to pay to him.
Then they should definitely call his bluff. Protecting William from himself isn’t working.
All I’m getting from this story is William is a greedy and jealous person.
In other news, water is wet.
Whatever bulliam wants bulliam gets. And what he wants is a new royal playboy mansion in Windsor
It’s like they have to keep bribing him to keep him working (or to keep him from walking away, which I’m sure is something he threatens but would never do). Anmer, then KP, then the new helicopter, then the privacy hedge, then all the dresses and jewelry for Kate, then everything around Meghan and Harry which seemed to stem from William being threatened and insecure (at least in part), now he’s demanding another house.
“Whatever bulliam wants bulliam gets. And what he wants is a new royal playboy mansion in Windsor”
If “playboy mansion” is what bulliam wants then Windsor is not a great place as security is high & tight. Too many people could see what he is up too.
He is going to be an absolutely terrible king
Bay Tampa bay, that won’t be a problem for William. He and his dirty little secrets and lies have and will always be protected because he is the heir.
The Queen has a vast amount of properties yet “gifted” her grandson derelict servant’s quarters.
I’ve wondered if the disgusting courtiers and AK fed the idea that it was suitable for Harry and Meghan.
Absolutely, same with telling Meghan she needed to keep working and there was no money for her. And the Times of London publishing security compromising, illegally obtained drone footage from the Cotswold cottage. They were trying to make Meghan feel demeaned and miserable enough to at least leave.
You know what I am getting from all this? These people have way too much property. Private and crown estate. The government should take back what belongs to the people and make museums or hospitals or schools out of them and make the Royals live in all the private ones they are hoarding and pay for the upkeep of them themselves. Harry and Meghan pay their own bills, so the rest of the f——Ing grifters can do the same
This story is simply bananas. Leaving aside the fact that Andrew is vile and should be exiled to some uninhabited island or thrown in an oubliette, how in good conscience can anyone make these sorts of claims about their living situations? The UK is not that big, but I could see the logic in hard-working members of the royal family attempting to argue that they need homes in each of the four constituent countries to facilitate doing regular lengthy tours and events in them, assuming that they were ever to do that as a matter of course and not simply once in a while. But a couple with three kids do not need a mansion in central London AND a mansion in Windsor (an hour away?) AND a mansion in Norfolk (a couple of hours away?) AND a mansion in Berkshire (a couple of hours away?). This is just grotesque conspicuous consumption and considering how many people have been made homeless as a result of the pandemic, and because of the cost of living in the UK can’t ever afford to own one home let alone multiples, and local communities are priced out of their hometowns by holiday home owners, and people in flats with flammable cladding have been bankrupted, this offends me deeply. By all means, make Andrew’s life hell, he deserves it, but don’t spin your reasons this way.
Agree! The entitlement is astounding.
As some have mentioned, this story is Heir Force 2 flexing his heirly muscles. I wonder if he will this particular pissing contest 😁🤭
William can’t kick around Harry and Meghan anymore so he’s started in on the York’s. Andrew and Fergie are easy targets. He will come after the sisters too. If those tabloid articles are any indication, he’s already started.
Yeppers… I feel bad for Eugenie because I feel that she will bear the brunt of his animosity since she is friendly with the Sussexes.
I think Eugenie’s a smart, strong woman who has clearly aligned herself with the Sussexes and merely tolerates Baldy and Mumbles. I’m sure she has some major tea on the Cambridges and if the press go after her on Baldy’s orders she’d have no problem spilling it.
Eugenie has been aligned with Harry since they were children. I’m sure there was no love lost between her and William all the years that he let Kate bully her and her and her awful mother plant constant stories in the press about how she and her sister were the “ugly stepsisters” and oh so jealous of Kate’s “beauty.”
@snuffles the press (and the derangers) are already starting on eugenie.
If I were eugine and her bea, I would bring the crown down on william. I would make sure all his dirty little secrets came to light. After all they are blood princesses and I am sure they have enough dirt on him and connections to sink him so far down it takes him years to recover
Eugenie doesn’t seem like the kind of person to do something like this.
Neither Eugenie nor Bea seem like the types to specifically aggravate William like that. That would just target themselves and escalate whatever negativity is already present in their dynamic.
That was before they had a baby with a future to protect.
@Lady D – yup, nothing like a mama bear who will fight anyone in order to protect her child.
Eugenie has a child now and Bea will soon and also….they’re not doing anything. They’re not hurting William or Kate. They’re living their lives, attending some garden parties or church services with their grandmother (pre pandemic obviously), doing some charity work on the side – they’re doing what they were told to do – get jobs, find a life outside of royal work, you wont be working royals, figure it out. And they have. If I were them, I would be livid that my husband or I was being thrown under the bus to protect my cousin who already has EVERYTHING – the title, the money, the status, the houses -and does not really work, plus his wife has been a total bitch to me (me = Bea and E.)
So while I don’t think that either one strikes me as someone to attack family in the press, I think if William keeps trying crap like “oh no, jack is on a party yacht in Capri, WHAT DOES IT MEAN” that someone is going to fight back. The York girls were told there wasn’t a place for them in royal life so they found their own lives so don’t yank them back in when its convenient for you.
That’s just my theory for what they might be thinking lol.
Agree becks and lady d and jaded. They might be nice girls but when pushed too far, they might snap because now they have children to protect.
There really should be no reason why the Cambridges move to Berkshire other than maybe wanting separate households/lives. First of they have a home IN LONDON so why do they need another one closer to London? And second of all, if it’s to be closer to George’s school, why move him in the first place unless he’s a boarder and if he will be a boarder, why move closer to him? Isn’t the whole point of boarding to live outside the home? If he’s able to come home in 15 mins what’s the point? I guess they could say “they’re moving closer so he can be adjusted to it!”.
I’m just very confused by the move.
Boarding schools also have day students so he may start out living at home and attending school during the week. He could also live there during the week and come home on weekends. My sister looked into boarding school for my nephew because she’s fucking bougie.
Hmm. Sounds to me like William needs a convenient place to practice gardening, a nice place to plant.
I don’t understand how someone who has a 75 year lease can be forced to leave? Are contracts for lease that tenuous in the UK?
I think charles and william are flexing their muscular behind the scenes to force the queen to break open the contract
Every contract has termination clauses. They can be incredibly difficult to trigger, but must still be included.
This Epstein thing could go a lot of ways for Andrew. I don’t think we’re lucky enough for him to actually end up in prison, but an official/unofficial exile may be in the cards.
If he is exiled, his wife and daughters (or whomever he wants) still get to live in Royal Lodge until his pre-paid 75 year lease is up.
William is a hungry man, never satisfied with what he has.
This! He always wants what the other guy has.
Including his brother’s wife until he was told hands off. That’s when the tide turned.
Everything is going to be his eventually. He’s not going to get there any quicker by getting another royal palace. Windsor Lodge is not even convenient for his assignations.
I don’t believe this is remotely true. Just the press extending the Andrew story.
Okay , there is a lot to unpack here. There is definitely something going on with house of cambriges. Chuck wont simply allow the heir to have many house nor does rest of the royal family members. I think William is silently divorcing or separating from Kate and he need a home . KP palaces is known to spy each other for the crown. If he wants to be with someone , he needs new home which might be andrew home. Amber is known to scandalous home. I dont think he wants to start a new life there or new relationship either. Kate will quietly live with her parents as separate home as settlement.
2. I also think William found someone new which makes me explain about the house hunting. He was fine with rose in amber but rose is longer as his lover.
3. Long ago there are rumors of William with another woman. Let’s wait and see
There has been something going on within the house of Cambridge for some time now. But the royal lodge is big enough to live separate(see fergie and andrew). So if he does get the royal lodge, im assuming kate would move there too. They would just be living separately on the property instead of getting a formal divorce. I do think that its noticeable that this story points out that WILLIAM wants andrews home. Not the Cambridges, but just william.
Hmm that is kinda interesting that it’s referred to as William who wants the house rather than the Cambridges. Doesn’t exactly present a united front but it’s DW and he’s a willy stan.
Andrew, William, whatever. Looks like Williams’s got a new target for his pettiness.
But I’m very curious about what Fergie’s been up to that can be described as “fragrant use of the property”. (LOL what a great typo)
Going through a hippie phase that requires lots of patchouli? Smoking a doobie? Wafting in clouds of Jo Malone? Hosting the unwashed Shepard/Bell clan in her quarters?
Peeps, can we please get the value of the Royal Lodge and how many bathrooms it has? 😂
While there’s very little to nothing that I can find about the value of Royal Lodge other than it’s a Grade II listing it has 78 bathrooms 👀
Happy to help 😊
Maybe we all have it wrong and publishing the number of baths in California is a slight.. I mean if you have 78 bathrooms, anything under 25 is just uninhabitable..
(My try at sarcasm)
This is so Wolf Hall – everything in the palace boils down to power, and one must take every opportunity offered to get more power. They are discussing kicking Mommy’s favourite boy out of his lease not out of moral disgust with what he did, but because the allegations are embarrassing, and they sense an opportunity. I think this is a test balloon to see how far Andrew’s protection really goes, and gauge public reaction.
Yep. The timing is perfect after yesterday’s NY filing.
How many mansions does this douchebag want while lecturing everyone else about the environment. They should give ten million to someone who can figure out how to get the wealthy to stop wasting resources by over-consumption and flying penis rockets to the upper atmosphere.
That imari lamp is gorgeous
The greed of the Windsor clan is insatiable.
Also this makes me wonder about William’s relationship with Eugenie and Beatrice…..Andrew IS a gross criminal but he’s still their father…..maybe this is one of the reasons Eugenie has been more openly in support of Harry & Meghan lately…….
These seem like non sequiturs to me. Maybe you could connect them more explicitly?
I know Beatrice and Eugenie have no influence or power within the monarchy (maybe they have a tiny bit of influence with the queen. Their father IS her favorite child) and im sure William probably views them the way Charles does. This article just made me think about how Eugenie very publically signed up for Meghans 40×40 initiative, and how she seemed to be the first royal family member to openly, publically support Harry & Meghan. And it made me think that perhaps Eugenie caught wind of William wanting to evict her father, because Andrew IS Eugenie father’s and she loves him (and im sure his criminality is difficult for her to reconcile)
And also didn’t the story say that the royal lodge WAS to go to Beatrice & Eugenie upon Andrew’s death? Maybe Eugenie had eventually wanted to raise her own family there….
I get the impression that the princesses are not that close to William (or fond of him, for that matter). In fact, none of the family seem that keen on the Cambridges.
Okay after I was done laughing, I pictured the queen giving balmoral and any other private properties to Andy and his daughters just to spite Willy and Chucky for kicking out her favorite child, Along with giving his daughters and sophie and her daughter all her private jewelry. Out of pure spite. Lolol. Now isn’t Kensington palace in London? I always assumed so . So the only reason Willy would need Kensington and royal lodge is so he can have one London resident for him and when the kids come to visit and waity still waiting can have the other one to live in while they are both in London.
The excuse of giving the royal lodge to the Cambridges because their family is bigger and needs to be close to London is so stupid. They already have their enormous apartment in Kensington Palace and they are hardly there to begin with, how many more properties “near London” do they need? Yes, Andrew has to leave the lodge, but I don’t see Chuck giving it to the York girls either and I don’t see Chuck giving out any royal palace for his brother to use. Betty should set up a privately owned housing accommodation for Andrew while she still can, but will she? How would it work with the inheritance later? Will there be inheritance taxes to be paid for the property?
The reason why almost EVERYTHING goes to the next heir (to the throne) is to AVOID taxes. The inherited wealth from crown to crown is exempt. So unless Ol’ Brenda wants to stick it to them all, and divvies it all up so they’re stuck with the bill, Chuckles the Tampon will inherit the bulk of the private estates/jewels/art etc.
“Betty should set up a privately owned housing accommodation for Andrew while she still can,”
QEII has already done this. When Andrew married Sarah, she built Andrew what was then a $5million house/estate which he allowed to deteriorate, then then sold in a very shady deal and pocketed the proceed$ from the sale.
Royal Lodge is not, nor will it ever be, privately owned by any of these people. It is a Crown Estate property, and Crown Estate is owned by the government not Lizzie. What is in question here is the pre-paid 75 year lease. That lease is worth millions and cannot be yanked from Andrew. Someone can purchase the sublease from him for millions, but that’s it.
I don’t think the Cambridge’s ever wanted to live full time at KP in the first place. They were gifted KP and still choose Anmer as there permanent residence. I remember the shocked reaction from the carnival that they were not going to become full time royals nor were they going to be living at KP. I think they were forced to become full time royals and moved to KP because Harry got married and the BRF knew it would be a bad look for the Cambridge’s if Harry and Meghan were full time and the Cambridge’s weren’t. So since Ludgrove and Eton are in Berkshire they can use George going to school as an excuse to leave a place they never wanted to be full time in the first place. A move to Windsor would also mean less media scrutiny and they clearly want to hide whatever is going on with the status of their marriage. Also there are two other reasons why William might want to live at Windsor. (1) I think the Queen will not move back to BP. Windsor will be her primary place to live/work. So being there would allow him to perhaps cultivate more power by being closer to her. (2). William has an unhealthy fixation on Harry. It has always been reported that the Windsor estate was Harry’s favorite. So living there would be a way for him to feel like he has taken over something Harry loves. I doubt this will go over well with the tabloids. They want the Cambridge’s in London in order to maintain close contact and control.
William, kate and harry all became full time royals at the time the late Duke of Edinburgh was stepping back. I do think william wants to be closer to the queen to cultivate more power.
Queen does not like William or chuck. She likes andrew and harry. That’s the one of the reason why chuck and William as jealous. Plus chuck and William doesnt have any support other than anne and her parents and Edward and sophie. Rest of the clan like harry and eugenie. After one of brf member got married in Windsor in that wedding both chuck and William are absent speaks volumes because according to brf they are next in line for head of the family. It’s very clear neither spencer nor brf cousins likes William. Zara and peter suck up to William because of money. Otherwise they might leave him alone. I think yorks sister will move to usa.
Harry started full time before the other two when he had to leave the army. That’s why he was doing all those tours when Billy and Cathy were hiding away.
But it was Philip retiring that forced the Cambridges to pretend to be full time. I say pretend because their engagement numbers barely changed and Kate was soon pregnant with Louis within months of Philip retiring. The media started to say they are full time but their work load really hasn’t increased that much.
William and his wife became full time working royals 2917! Way after Harry left the military
W&K were always intended to start working immediately. The whole ‘they’re not full time working royals’ stance came from their stans and tabloids, as an excuse for their laziness. They were always meant to be working 500 engagements from the start of their marriage. That’s part of why William delayed marrying her so long, because he knew marriage = working royal.
If they didn’t want to live at KP, they wouldn’t have demanded the largest property. 50 rooms, occupied by someone else, and not on the list of available properties they were shown. But they demanded the 50 room space, requiring someone to buy out the lease Historic Royal Palaces had. And to repay HRP for all the costs of moving their exhibits and office space.
LOL. The blocked printer picture again. Keep on pretend working Willie Boy.
I know. I always place all my printer cords in front of my drawers because that’s what normal working people do.
“Oh, no dear, not Purvis Lodge! The attics there are dreadful!”
“Haye Park might do, if the Gouldings could quit it…”
“Eyebrows have been raised about Fergie’s fragrant use of the property, . . .”
Fragrant? Do they mean flagrant? Or does she smell?
William is disgusting for using a sexual abuse survivor as a pretext for grabbing what he wants.
They don’t need a THIRD MANSION. What is wrong with them? What is wrong with the press that enables this behaviour as ACCEPTABLE???
I wonder whether William has considered Bagshot Park, currently occupied by the pointless and underwhelming Wessexes. It’s only a few miles from Windsor and has a whopping 120 (!!!) rooms – certainly big enough that he and Kate never need see each other at all (which I’d guess would suit them both).
Honestly though, all these massive homes scattered about, occupied by under-employed royals and their servants. It’s obscene really.
I would not call Sophie Wessex “under employed” by any stretch.
Together they work around 500 engagements a year, when Charles and Anne both work 500 a year. E&S aren’t exactly breaking a sweat.
E&S work because they need the funding from the Sovereign Grant to stay afloat. I expect, once Charles sidelines them, that they’ll sell the sublease for Bagshot and buy a much smaller private home.
Its all about the money honey. Andrew is being sued in a civil suit. The lawyers will obviously try to find out about his income and assets.
It’s going to be tough to get him out–even if Charles is King when they do it. He feels entitled to that place since he “saved” Windsor Castle from the fire and no matter what his working status is he is the second SON of a monarch (he will carry that torch until he dies, so petty). He will absolutely dig in his heels and will not go quietly.
He owns the Crown Estate lease, he has the legal right to stay there. Charles cannot throw him out without purchasing the sublease for millions in private funds. Which Charles doesn’t have, and the Queen isn’t going to put forward for Charles to use throwing her precious Baby Andrew out of Royal Lodge.
William is well on his way to alienating his entire family and isolating himself. No one is going to be around to support his reign. Between Charles angling to cut off everyone not in the direct line financially, Cain being a bullying asshole, and Harry showing the others one can survive outside the system, no one is going to want to stick around.
I agree Snuffles. In 20 or 30 years he will have only his children. The Wessex’s will be in their 70’s or 80’s and the rest of his cousins will be retiring from real jobs.
@lizzie
At the rate Cain is going, I wouldn’t be surprised if one or both of the “spares”
dip.
This and other royal properties should become museums or charity offices. The idea of royalty in the 21st century is ridiculous.
I still think it’s possible that William needs a place to stash–I mean, accommodate–a special friend.
Suppose Chuck or Bill will give Virginia Giuffre the OBE for doing them a favor????
PWT is such a greedy, backstabbing, miserable SOB. Not that Andrew doesn’t deserve what’s coming to him, but to gleefully spill all to Wootton and confirm to everyone that he’s a greedy, lazy, vindictive, crappy, excuse for a human being just boggles the mind. No subtlety, this one.
It must kill him to know that Harry will never have to ask anyone for money again. Harry is earning his millions he has full access to and building his financial empire while PWT still has to wait for a handout from Chuckles until his father dies, which preferably will not happen for another 30 to 40 years. His little brother, the spare, is worth more than him financially and as a human being and I’m sure it’s eating him alive. He will always be known as the other lesser brother despite being the heir/FFK. I hope he chokes on it. He will eventually inherit it all and he’ll still be miserable AF. He had so much potential and everyone was betting on him over Charles. What a waste. Charles, as problematic as he is, will be a much better King.
100%, well said.
Prince Andrew is lucky he is QE fav. He is going to be protected until his brother gets the crown. Charles is not going to go easy on him & will throw him to the wolves.
One thought – if Virginia wins her case in the US and is awarded damages, how are they going to be collected from someone who lives and whose assets are in another country?
I think it will be hard because I read that it is up to the foreign jurisdiction whether to accept the judgement. Because Andrew is a blood royal I doubt that they would do anything. But I’m guessing that Virginia’s lawyer is hoping for a settlement by the BRF to avoid the embarrassment of the trial. Remember that ABC anchor who was going to interview Virginia but it was squashed by the BRF? She said Virginia had pictures and other stuff to back up her story, probably more than what we have already seen. The royals don’t want that coming out.
This just goes to show you that however bad we have all assumed PWT is, he’s WORSE! Much worse! The Sussexes got out of there at just the right time. I wish them all the happiness and joy in the world. Can you imagine the sheer hell PWT would have put them through once he became king? Imagine if they were dependent upon him financially – stuck under his thumb! Granted Andrew is a scumbag and should pay for his transgressions, but the audacity of William to push this narrative that he should have his uncle’s house, just because he wants it, is appalling. He’s laying the groundwork to make this happen. How much more selfish could one be? Ugh.
When people show you who they are…believe them! Kate should thank God that times are different and William can’t go all Henry VIII on her. You know what would’ve happened to her in olden times the moment the King became bored with her…. PWT is out for PWT….and no one else. SMH
William is a narc.
Nothing will ever satisfy him. The keys to the castle, money, jewels, people bowing and jumping to his every whim, undue praise from his “subjects” but he will never be completely satisfied.
Two things I disagree with in the comments in this thread:
1) Bea & Eugenie will move to America…. Everyone thinks it’s so simple? Harry’s wife & children are American citizens therefore he has legit residency claims by way of marriage/family as well as he has business/employment for financing his stay as an alternative. Neither Bea or Eugenie are married to Americans and neither have employment sponsorship AFAIK.
2) Bulliyam has another 30-40 years before he sits on the throne…. He is closer to the throne than we think. Charles is 73 this year and though his parents/grandmother lived to 90s/100s Chuck looks red, swollen and unhealthy to me and I don’t see him living that long. Even if he does, he & Cams are unpopular and I don’t see the Brits extending the love they have for the Queen to him so he may be forced to abdicate in favour of his son. All of this is assuming the monarchy even survives that long.
1) Beatrice works for a company that has headquarters in NYC. The auction company Eugenie works for has a NYC office, and she worked in NYC with them for awhile. Jack works for Casamigos, which is now owned by Diageo (UK-based). If he wanted a visa to base his work out of the US, he’d get one. Basically, if you are a wealthy white person, you wouldn’t have trouble getting a work visa for the US if your big company sponsored it.
2) Charles has rosacea and arthritis, not anything life threatening. He has the best of medical care, has eaten organic his whole life, is physically active, and has never smoked. IMO he’ll live as long as Philip. He’s not going to step aside for William. Most people don’t have a problem with Charles and Camilla as monarchs, and do not care about a failed marriage 30 years ago. It is ancient history and they have more important things to worry about.
The Brits do not abdicate, and if he did, it would open a huge can of worms about why a monarchy exists at all. Plus abdicating endangers the tax-free inheritance of the personal billion, so it isn’t happening. William won’t see the throne for at least 20 years.
Nota, I hear you but I still don’t see Brits transferring their love for the Queen to Chuck when she passes and perhaps you’re right about abdication not being an option to avoid taxes, but when the fallout from Brexit hits and people are suffering economically an unpopular King & Queen living in opulence off the taxpayers might be a problem.
There are plenty of people who do not care about royals or QEII. At. All. It isn’t love of her, it is disinterest or too many other things to worry about than people wandering around castles while wearing tiaras.
If people rise up after QEII passes, it isn’t going to be at Charles and Camilla vs. William and Kate. They aren’t going to say, oh dump one set of overspenders and replace it with another set. The status quo will be maintained, Charles will be king for 20 years, and William will come to the throne when he’s early 60s (if there is a throne at that time).
If most people didn’t have a problem with Charles and Camilla and failed 30yo marriage, the TV show The Crown would not have been so wildly popular, no?
Lady D
Interest in binging the latest well produced and casted Netflix series doesn’t mean people are deeply invested in the topic. Tiger King was #1 for a while…
Nota
I agree. Charles and Cam are acceptable and the BM will support that in exchange for the heads of others and the people will eat it all up as a distraction from life. No one will care enough to change anything unless something major happens.
I couldn’t live in a house that Andrew lived in and in which he entertained his pedophile and sex trafficking friends, and sexually abused teenagers. That house must be full of horrible memories and negative feelings. It must have a pervasive energy of toxicity, greed, and pure evil. Sounds perfect for William, though.
You’re so right. I wouldn’t live there if I were paid to!
@amytoo, I imagine rapes and human trafficking have bern part of the history of most royal residences, it wouldn’t be particular to Royal Lodge. This is what those royals and often aristocrats have been doing for centuries. Andrew hasn’t done anything new; he’s just been a very traditional royal. The others just mask their own indulgences better. This pretence with charities to show their value is new. Heck, having royals prove their value to cotinue … with their life is quite modern.
Heck, I only read this headline and I am in favor of kicking Prince Andrew out!
Out ya go, ya filthy animal!
If William does anything to help make Andrews life more difficult I am fine with that.
Bring it on, William.
I am so fed up with dirtbags, politicians, wealthy A**holes, and the general state of humanity in the past 5 years that IMO, Lady Justice has packed her bags and hit the road.
Prince Andrew has gotten away with using young women and associating with Epstein far, far too long.
William is one of those dirtbag, politican, wealthy A**holes. He is in bed with racist, xenophobic, anti-free press, right wing elements of government. Nothing to praise in William.
Got to love how willywonka continues to singlehandedly guarantee the inevitable demise of the institution. How stupid is this clown to get rid of his remaining scapegoat!!! Like is he honestly that stupid to think his tabloids buddies won’t turn on him😂and he expects the public struggling to not question his excessive spending & multiple taxpayer funded lifestyle??!!🤨
This story is so bizarre on so many levels. Is it just to remind us that William still exists. Wow, what a way to assert royal authority by relocating him from one tax funded royal property to another tax funded royal property.Andrew is still going to stay right there and the way papers like the Telegraph and people like Chris Ship are trying to justify him not being held accountable for his gross behavior is just beyond disgusting. Does William really want to live there and why? As pointed out, he already had a massive apartment in a palace. Dan Wooten seems crazy with these weird, slightly menacing columns. What a cesspool.
That pic of William holding the phone while the printer sits by is sure getting a workout “proving” William is a working prince of England. Has he done no more “work” after picking up that phone? Yes, I admit he picked up the phone. He did. But my question is . . . how is that impressive? And how is it work?
Are you really sure though that he did pick up the phone himself, and that it wasn’t just handed to him by a staffer and told “here, hold it like this to make it look like you’re working”?
If push comes to shove, perhaps there will ample room for Andrew at the Tower in London, right?
Think of the tourism possibilities: “If you’re lucky, you might get to see the doomed Duke of York wandering the parapets, looking at the city he can no longer enter.”
I had a, quick look at the comments and zero mention of PWBT at all, mostly Andrew and Harry together bringing down the monarchy
My guess is that Andrew will be told that giving up the lease is the price of his continued protection.
William and Kate cannot hide their loveless marriage any longer anymore. They are bound to be exposed anytime soon. Actions speak louder than words. William can’t stand Kate and won’t even look at her no matter how much she calls his attention by gooey- gazing at him like a puppy. No matter how their marriage is embiggened and romanticized by the British media these two are only in the marriage for appearances. How sad. Both should give themselves the chance at finding true love.