Alice Evans: ‘The more the lawyers told me not to talk, the more I felt like doing it’

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Over the weekend, the Daily Mail published a lengthy essay from Alice Evans, the estranged wife of Ioan Gruffudd. Over the past week, Ioan became Instagram-Official with his new girlfriend, and that has predictably sent Alice over the edge. To be fair, Alice has been having regular social media meltdowns since January of this year, when Ioan left her for good and then filed for divorce. It’s been a mess, because of course the British tabloids cover it and Alice has a habit of tweeting-and-deleting. She also has a habit of overdramatizing and lying – she claimed Ioan’s new girlfriend was her friend (nope) and that Ioan came home one day in January and announced out of the blue that he wants a divorce (nope) and on and on. I get that her heart is broken and she’s simply a melodramatic personality in general, but she is the architect of so much of her own chaos! It’s driving me up the wall. Anyway, you can read her shambolic essay here. She contradicts herself a dozen times just for dramatic effect:

Seeing the photo of Ioan with his new GF: “I felt glad he was happy, even though we haven’t spoken to each other by phone or in person in almost 11 months… Then I realised he was sitting next to a young girl I’d never seen before. She was tagged in the post @iambiancawallace. Then I got that feeling. The feeling nobody in a relationship — even one that’s seen better days —wants to feel: My God. They are a couple. He has a girlfriend! But, he’s my husband…

Tweeting through the pain when he told her he was leaving: I just lost the plot. I tweeted this: ‘Help. He’s told us he’s leaving us. I don’t know what to do.’ His reaction was instant. (He read all my tweets, because he said he ‘needed to keep an eye on me’). He grabbed my computer and deleted my tweet. He was raging at me. Screaming at the top of his voice. ‘How dare you?’ His eyes were wide and white — it was terrifying. I looked back at him. I said ‘give me the laptop back’. ‘No!’ he said. ‘Not until you’ve calmed down and learned to control yourself.’ Again, I said: ‘It’s my laptop. Please give it back.’ He walked out of the room, with the laptop. Something seemed to break inside of me. I ran up to him and grabbed the laptop out of his hands. ‘It’s my f***ing laptop,’ I said. ‘And it’s my life.’

She kept going: I went back onto Twitter and re-posted what I’d written, explaining that he had deleted it but that it wasn’t a mistake. It was a great big bloody scream for help. Then the strangest thing happened. He stared me out, watching me retweet my cry for help. And then he picked up the phone, called his parents and began to cry. I had no idea what he was saying as he communicates in Welsh with his parents but, well, obviously, it was bad. A line had been crossed. The Daily Mail had picked the story up. I knew it wasn’t entirely the right thing to do, but as people started texting and the word got round, all I could feel was a huge gush of relief.

She wants to keep talking: The next day he lawyered up. Suddenly, I was on Zoom meetings with five or six legal eagles fearing I might lose custody of my children. The advice was clear. I had to keep quiet. Stop airing my laundry in public. It might seem odd, but the more I was pushed, prodded, told to get in line, the more the lawyers told me not to talk, the more I felt like doing it. Talking to Twitter helped me get perspective. Women from all over the world would message me to say they’d had similar experiences. Without this outlet, I might truly have lost my mind.

[From The Daily Mail]

So… she admits that every lawyer has told her that she needs to stop tweeting this sh-t, and that custody of her children is likely on the line, and she keeps doing it? And so much for claiming that Ioan’s new girlfriend was her friend – Alice doesn’t know Bianca whatsoever, and Alice has no clue about the timeline of Ioan’s relationship and/or affair. Again, I think it’s likely that Ioan was cheating, maybe with Bianca or maybe with someone else. And that sucks and he should feel like sh-t about it. But honestly, even from Alice’s own descriptions of his actions, he was deeply unhappy in the marriage and he tried to communicate that through words and actions for months, only for her to throw complete hissy fits every single time. She’s the one doing real damage to her relationship with her partner in co-parenting, and she’s doing real damage to her children. It’s such a disaster.

Alice Evans is in good spirits after claiming her husband had a 3-year affair

Alice Evans is in good spirits after claiming her husband had a 3-year affair

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  1. Maria says:

    “The feeling nobody in a relationship — even one that’s seen better days —wants to feel: My God. They are a couple. He has a girlfriend! But, he’s my husband…”

    You’re not in a relationship with him!! Omg…

    All of this has just made me follow Ioan and Bianca on IG and like their picture, lol.

    • You beat me to this exact comment!!!!! On one hand I want to feel bad for her, but on another hand she is completely delusional and those poor kids. You do not own your ex husband. Also Meghan Markle.

      • Maria says:

        Yep. She would LOVE it if Harry left Meghan this way. She’s the same as all the Piers Morgan Daily Mail loving trash.

      • Exactly @Maria- she is just a bully. I am starting to think her husband was just a victim that escaped and that’s why she’s not letting go. Acting like my NPD ex did when I finally escaped. She should know that every time she opens her mouth/writes a tweet, she is just confirming to him that he made the right decision to leave.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      She is very unlikeable and I found it hard to have any sympathy for her. At one point she was fixated on Harry and Meghan and she spewed the most vile things about them. Someone needs to take her phone and talk some sense into her head. She needs to love her children more than she hates her husband, his girlfriend and I daresay herself.

      • truthSF says:

        “At one point…”

        No, she’s STILL bitching about Meghan to this day. Look at her tl as recent as Friday and Saturday. Karma is kicking her ass hard because she refuses to mind her business and leave Meghan alone!!

        I think her husband left her, and since she doesn’t (and hasn’t) want to let go, she’s playing the victim card of “oh, he cheated on me” when he told her straight up he was leaving her. She’s a massive narcissist with a major possessiveness issue. You don’t leave her, she leaves you. And she definitely didn’t want to leave her ex…ever!!!!

      • GrnieWnie says:

        so unlikeable! She recounts how he grabbed her laptop away after she posted a play-by-play of an argument on Twitter to delete her Tweet…and that she grabbed it back and reposted the Tweet. And then he started crying. Like you’re literally driving someone insane and you’re…making it about you. SOOOOOooo unlikeable.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      “And then he picked up the phone, called his parents and began to cry. ”

      For me it was this part that made me think he had had enough, cheating or not…. He didn’t leave her because of the cheating but because he was at the end of his wits.

      ETA: bizarrely, she reminds me of Toxic Tom (Duchess Meghan’s father) , it’s like she wants to bully her ex husband into coming back with all sort of threats or ‘public reveals’ (which are made up by her)

      • MipMip says:

        She’s a narcissist with a martyr complex, a really terrifying combination that means she has to be in control of every situation and god help you if she isn’t.

        From her own descriptions it’s easy to see that she had completely worn him down. She has probably behaved like this for years- not just after he said he was leaving- he probably told her he was leaving for the sake of his own mental health.

        I feel so terrible for the kids. She should lose custody.

      • Soapboxpudding says:

        Reminds me of the classic “I hate you, don’t leave me” Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) move. My mom had it and tried to move in with my dad AFTER they were divorced. She showed up with boxes and everything to his new rental.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        “he probably told her he was leaving for the sake of his own mental health.”

        I’m now totally convinced of the above.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        That comment sounds to me that yeah he had had enough and that she was already affecting his mental health, hence he took a job in Australia and was pretty much living there, leaving her and the kids back in LA. He could have had some sort of breakdown which pushed him into divorce proceedings with the physical distance being the space that he needed to do it.

        It’s now clear she has NO control or influence over him now and that is driving her INSANE. She is literally the female version of Toxic Tom and she will not go away.

        I feel for those poor girls, she has really done a number on her daughters.

      • Miranda says:

        Communicating with his parents in Welsh also seems like a HUGE red flag. The vast majority of Welsh speakers are bilingual with English, so in all likelihood, Ioan could’ve spoken to them in that language. Using a language that Alice didn’t understand could suggest that he was speaking to his parents about her emotional abuse and mental state and didn’t want her to know that.

        (Of course, this all assumes that she’d didn’t just pull that story right out of her ass.)

      • pottymouth pup says:

        that statement makes me think that he’s been trying to end the relationship for some time prior to the day he finally said to her in person “I have an attorney and I’m officially filing for divorce” And, frankly, if he’d spent time trying to get her to realize the marriage was broken and over and she’d just kept rejecting the break up, I can’t give him the side eye for “cheating” on her by getting in a relationship before he finally played hard ball by letting her know, in no uncertain terms, that he was filing for divorce

      • Maria says:

        Now she’s claiming on Twitter that he called their daughter multiple times to say he’s not actually in a relationship “which of course is a lie”.

        Smh…

      • GrnieWnie says:

        omg yes, I noticed this too, just commented. That stood out to me. Just bonkers, absolutely bonkers. She is so clearly addicted to the validation of Twitter. It’s feeding her martyr complex of “women have been subject to this for all of time!” Yeah, no, you’re just a total jerk.

      • ExpatInTheUK says:

        I think he also needed to call his parents because they or family/friends who follow Alice on social media would have seen her tweet and wondered what was going on. If my partner did that to me, I would be angry and embarrassed that something so personal was shared to the world before I was ready.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ AlpineWitch, I agree. I think that he has probably spent a great deal of the previous months/years trying to talk to her about problems in their marriage and she refused to listen. Her outbursts were obviously a pattern and she just refused to hear what he was saying. He got to the point that he was done! The fact that he called his parents crying tells me that this has been an issue in their marriage for a while. Also, I don’t think he was cheating. They split in January and this is the end of October. This relationship is probably in the 6 month period.

    • Rapunzel says:

      Exactly my thought: you haven’t spoken to him by phone or in person in 11 months. There is no relationship!

      The fact Ioan was obviously communicating through other means re: their children, etc., shows he was clearly tired of her drama. Ans talking and crying to his parents in Welsh….well, that shows he was scared of her reactions.

      • Isa says:

        I noticed that comment immediately. Yes, legally they’re still married because sometimes divorces drag out, especially when one partner wants to punish another for leaving, (ahem) but they’re not together. He hasn’t lived with or talked to him in almost a year. She keeps posting that his stuff is still there which is an odd thing to hold onto, but clearly he doesn’t want to step foot in that house.

        I also saw her post that her father cut her off at age 30. Her siblings walked her down the aisle.

    • Yup, Me says:

      The more she reveals of herself, the more she sounds like a malignant narcissist and I hope it burns her ass every time she sees a picture of Ioan happier with her not in his life.

      Also, if she is tweeting to the world things like “he’s leaving US” rather than recognizing that he’s only leaving her, she is definitely saying those types of things to their children and she deserves to lose custody because she’s abusive.

    • BlinkB says:

      I do not understand why everyone here is giving him a pass. He’s left his kids and sounds like a terrible person ffs.

  2. Lightpurple says:

    Shades of Kelly Rutherford

    • HandforthParish says:

      Oh god yes!!!! I had forgotten about Kelly Rutherford. I wonder what happened to her.

    • minx says:

      She reminds me so much of Kelly Rutherford, it’s uncanny. This woman needs an intervention, she has some screws loose.

    • Woah! That comparison is SPOT on!!!

    • Andrea says:

      What did happen to her? Is she still flying to Monaco to spend time with her kids!?!

    • Waitwhat says:

      Not sure that’s the same situation – I don’t think she ever used her kids to get at her ex, did she? In fact she filed for divorce from him, and he was the one suing her for full custody so he could take them to Monaco. I know the media tried to paint her as nuts (from my vague memory of the case at the time) but I can only imagine how heartbreaking it must be to have your children thousands of miles away from you, especially when they’re so small (the custody battle started before the youngest was even born, iirc). I don’t know if maybe she does have issues but Alice Evans isn’t having a custody battle here (yet); she mostly seems to be dealing spectacularly poorly with the end of a relationship.

      • Lola says:

        Kelly Rutherford NOT listening to Judges is why her kids live overseas. Her husband was the kids primary caretaker while she was on location working, he had a particular business visa, when they separated Kelly was pregnant with their baby girl. The judge told her to A. Let Daniel know when she went into labor & B. Put his name on the birth certificate, Kelly did neither. Daniel went to court and the judge gave primary custody to him.

        Afterward, one of Kelly’s legal team called Homeland security to report that Daniel was an arms dealer and potential terrorist. His business visa was stripped and he was deported. Because Kelly & her associates were found to have contributed to his being unable to enter the country, Daniel was allowed to have the children in Monaco.

        They still had joint custody though. Daniel sent the kids for their summer visit and Kelly refused to return them. She also tried forum shopping, to get a court order to try to overturn the order from the judge in California. However, her actions broke international law so her custody was entirely stripped and Daniel given full custody. She must visit them in Monaco.

        Everything that happened to Kelly was worsened bc of her actions and her refusal to abide by the judges order.

        Yes, Alice has very strong Kelly Rutherford vibes.

        The custody order:
        http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rutherford-Giersch-Statement-of-Decision-13-10-24.pdf

        The final order after she refused to return the kids:
        http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-23-Ruling.pdf

  3. Nanny to the Rescue says:

    All I get from this is that she was tweeting during their break-up that was partly caused by her tweeting. Is she addicted to social media attention? Is that a thing?

    Eta: too much oversharing in her essay. Lots of sex? Naked yelling (in a tub)? What’s up with these details?

    • Nanny to the Rescue says:

      Also the detail that had he told her about the gf, she’d talk him out of it until the kids are teenagers.

      Then she’d probably say until they’re off to college or something.

      It’s becoming very clear that he had to leave the way he did, and not actually tell her about the other woman. She wouldn’t be reasonable about it, not now not ever.

      • Tisme says:

        @nanny…why are you giving him a pass on cheating? She is obviously a nut, and he is a cheater. They are both dicks.

      • pottymouth pup says:

        @Tisme – we have no evidence that he did cheat, only her allegations of it and she is not a reliable narrator considering all of the lies she’s already been busted on. hat said, if someone’s been trying to end a relationship and the other person refuses to acknowledge that you’re ending things, I’m not really sure it is cheating. As seen in this post, she’s acting as though a man who’s trying to divorce her should still be behaving as her husband because that’s what she wants

    • remarks says:

      I thought it was the social media addiction that ultimately broke the marriage. The fact that he called his parents and was crying could have been a sign that maybe she should put down her phone.

      Maybe there were other issues affecting the marriage, but after she tweeted he seemed to take that as the final straw to never look back. At that point, he was like “I’m done. Not coming back. You will hear from my lawyers.”

      Sometimes people take private trial separations to have some space and then they reconcile. But the Twitter thing seemed to kill off any feelings he had for her.

    • Myra says:

      Right? When it was first announced that he had left her, I actually thought he had broken up with her because of her social media shenanigans. I am now more convinced, with her little essay, that that’s the reason he broke up with her. Her whole identity is basically online trolling.

      • Amy Too says:

        It doesn’t even sound like he had actually broken up with her at that point though. He had come back from filming august 2020, was not into her, said he didn’t love her anymore, and she tweeted that he was leaving them. He called his parents and cried. She says that she had crossed a line, that’s when it became unsalvageable. He contacted a lawyer, meaning he didn’t have one before then. But he didn’t move out until January 2021, and he filed for divorce even *after* that. She basically precipitated this break up by lying. I can see why he was pissed about the tweet. He was not “leaving” them. He said he didn’t love her anymore, but there was nothing about breaking up with her. She jumped the gun, her mind raced, and she came to the conclusion that if he didn’t love her anymore, it was obviously only a matter of time before he would leave her, and she just….tweeted it, tweeted that he “told us” he was leaving them. When he actually stuck around for 4-5 more months after that.

      • Myra says:

        I was recently checking Youtube to see how his name is pronounced and I came across an interview he did with Craig Fergurson where he describes how he proposed. She doesn’t sound like a lovely person based on the story he was telling. But her online behaviour before she panicked tweet about the break-up was already quite problematic.

  4. Amy Bee says:

    I suspect their marriage was over long before he left for Australia and hooked up with his new girlfriend. It doesn’t excuse what he did but I could understand it. She should take her lawyers advice and get off twitter. This essay in the Daily Mail doesn’t help matters either.

    • Charm says:

      “…It doesn’t excuse what he did….”

      LOL What did he do?

      • truthSF says:

        Leave her! And apparently, that’s a crime!!😂😂

      • Tisme says:

        Cheat on her?

      • Maria says:

        Nobody’s ever heard cheating rumors except for the ones Alice put forth and because she obviously doesn’t believe they’ve split even though he ended it, she thinks him moving on is cheating.

        There is one person in this equation who has cheated before and it’s Alice, who was with Ioan before she even ended her engagement to Olivier Picasso.

  5. Merricat says:

    I hope he gets a restraining order.

    • SusieQ says:

      This woman seriously reminds me of my fiance’s ex-wife who used the courts to continue her emotional abuse of him. Getting on Twitter to air dirty laundry and make statements like that is emotional abuse.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        “Getting on Twitter to air dirty laundry and make statements like that is emotional abuse.”.

        It is. I don’t understand why there are people defending this woman.

      • Christina says:

        @Susieq and Alpinewitch, this is classic abuse. Most people haven’t been through narcissistic abuse, so they don’t know what it looks like. People project their own stories because they can’t believe someone would actually think that way. It has to be that she was “hurt”.

        We ALL hurt. Women ARE manipulated and made upset, but this is very specific and crystal clear: it’s her.

        Neither is perfect, but narcissistic abuse is specific and devastating to children and the the partner survivors.

      • terra says:

        This. My mother does the same thing. She was always abusive, emotionally and physically, but social media just gave her a wider audience to spew her lies and manipulations. She plays at being an ‘anti-bullying advocate’ while treating everyone around her as a commodity to use and discard at will.

        Those pictures above of her smiling at the camera, faux-candid style? Yeah, that’s my mother in show mode. Everything about this woman makes me feel uneasy. Here’s hoping that the courts require in-depth psychological assessments of both parents in an attempt to reach a real diagnosis. Just one appointment won’t do it as narcissists and the like operate from the default position of lying about anything and everything, so a series of appointments is the only chance of getting anywhere near to the truth – and even then you’re still not guaranteed an accurate diagnosis, you’re just looking at slightly better odds.

        I hope her children get all the help they need to work through this, both now and in the future. The drama obsessed are hell as parents.

  6. Mireille says:

    I’ve been following this story, but I don’t get her end game with her social media posts. I get that she’s lashing out, but if the lawyers are telling her to stop, then she needs to stop. She’s hurting herself and complicating any issues with custody that they’re trying to hash out. Does she want him back or does she want to humiliate him? Or both? Does she think her posts would get him to realize he made a mistake and go crawling back to her?

    • Maria says:

      She cannot have him any more so she will do whatever she can to control him and failing that, sully his reputation.

    • ElleV says:

      maria is spot on. there is no end game beyond hurting/shaming/controlling him. and she is obviously willing to lose her kids to do it.

    • North of Boston says:

      Yeah, the way she characterized the her lawyers’ advice, “the more I was pushed, prodded, told to get in line, the more the lawyers told me not to talk” as being “told to get in line” as though she was a child or employee misbehaving and was being constrained or reprimanded … and that she pushed back against it was odd and immature.

      They aren’t telling you to stop ranting and railing on SM because they want to control you and put you in a box. They are telling you not to talk because you are harming your own legal position, your own chances of being seen as reasonable, having your wishes considered in your divorce settlement and potentially of having custody of your children. It’s like an addict, someone with a substance abuse problem, an anger management problem saying “you can’t tell me what to do! you are not the boss of me! (Angrily does self-destructive behavior) So THERE!”

      Alice, you are not helping yourself here.

      I feel so bad for those kids.

      • Still_Sarah says:

        @ North of Boston : Thank you got saying that. Her lawyers were trying to PROTECT her from her own worst impulses. Clearly they could not work miracles.

      • Christina says:

        The rush from narcissistic supply is too strong for Alice to resist. Ioan is no longer trapped in the living room with her being forced to hear it, so it will continue to be everywhere. She is not going to change. All she can do is try to hide it long enough to stay in their lives.

        She’s only going to get worse. Her kids will avoid her eventually because she is completely reliant on narcissistic supply. Mark my words.

    • Christina says:

      There is no end game. There never will be.

      She needs to control him. She will until people stop listening to her, but they won’t because he still works.

      Someone said she is like Thomas Markle: she is, and she’s not going ANYWHERE, lol.

      I have a gun in my bathroom because these folks DO NOT CHANGE. The behavior is specific and documented. She is described in “Why Does He Do That” by Lundy Bancroft. Bancroft describes that this applies in same-sex relationships. It is mostly men, but anybody can be a narcissist. Many people here on CB discuss being raised by narcissistic mothers.

      Please trust the adult kids. Don’t listen to the “she was wronged” BS. The adult children of narcissistic parents are telling the truth.

    • Eurydice says:

      I don’t know about end game, but there’ll always be people on social media who will offer sympathy. I remember even before social media – like on LiveJournal – where people would post sob stories and create kerfuffles just to get sympathy. Nobody knew if these stories were true or not, but that didn’t matter. If you can’t get sympathy in your real life from actual people who know you, then get it from strangers on line who know nothing about you – it’s still satisfying.

    • February-Pisces says:

      You know what I think her end game is now is to milk all the press attention for what it’s worth. I’ve not seen this woman since 102 Dalmatians was released 20 years ago. Now her social media meltdowns have got everyone talking about her. Plus she gets to trash her ex husband’s and ruin his reputation. I bet she gets offered a reality show and she’ll probably take it and monetize the break up for all it’s worth.

  7. Apple Cart says:

    I want to feel for her she was living in a bubble and then everything comes crashing down. And being 50 and an actress doesn’t give her a lot of career options other than Grandmother now. Which I’m sure she rails at. It’s the fact she uses her kids as battering rams in a futile attempt to get him to come back triggers me. Leave the kids out of it, having a husband does not define one’s worth. Do better.

    • iconoclast59 says:

      I had a scintilla of sympathy reading her account in DM. It sounds like Ioan did gaslight her for a bit, telling Alice “nothing” was wrong when she sensed things were going south. OTOH, it’s very likely that she created an environment where he didn’t feel safe or comfortable sharing his honest feelings.

      But yes, Alice needs to do better, for her kids and for herself. Sometimes you just have to take the loss and move on. Yes, it sucks; yes, it feels totally humiliating. But as the saying goes, living well is the best revenge, and she and her children certainly aren’t living well as long as she’s spewing these hateful, unhinged rants at her ex.

  8. Digital Unicorn says:

    She a total narc who is addicted to the attention she is getting on SM – the more her ego is being fed the more she will do it regardless of the consequences. If her lawyers have told her to shut up its because they know it will be used against her and it will – they know she can (and will) lose custody of the children. She is doing his lawyers work for them – she is proving that she is not fit to be the main care giver to the children.

    She is one tweet away from a restraining order.

    • Va Va Kaboom says:

      Assuming he actually fights for primary/full custody though. The beauty of his decision to follow the attorneys’ advice is that no one knows his intentions. He is a full time actor filming all around the world. Raising the kids himself may not be possible, especially if he’s the only parent bringing in an income.

      • MelOn says:

        He can hire help, he has his parents if he wants to he can do it. I’d be surprised that they haven’t employed help from time to time. The assumption that he can’t raise kids because he works is pretty sexist. Tarji P. Henson and Regina King were both single parents and they worked. I don’t know if he wants custody but lets not act like its impossible that he would want his kids because he works.

      • Coco says:

        There are a lot of single working parents in the entertainment industry. It’s not impossible and they have a easier time doing it then average person.

      • Lady D says:

        But there’s millions of single parents out there, working full time to provide for their kids. What happens if the courts take custody from her and he says no thanks? What happens to the girls then? Is he even allowed to refuse? I’m not saying that would happen, but what if?

      • teecee says:

        Of course there are a million single parents, even in the entertainment industry. But we’ve seen no indication that he wants to be one of them. And with a shiny young new girlfriend…I doubt it.

        And the elephant in the room here is that he’s a straight man. All of the single working parents in the industry that have been listed are women. How many straight men would take that on?

      • g says:

        this speculation that he doesn’t want custody because he has a new girlfriend is really gross and says more about the person making the comment then this guy.

      • MelOn says:

        WE don’t have to see indication of anything. He doesn’t have to make any public announcements regarding his divorce or his intent when it comes to his children. That’s how rational adults behave, they don’t take to the internet to blast their business all over the place. He is following his lawyers advice and keeping his mouth shut.

      • Isa says:

        The courts may be reluctant to give custody to a parent that works out of the country, since she’s been the main caregiver for their lives and they do need a sense of normality with their home, school, and routines during a divorce and a pandemic. I wonder if he’s building a case of parental alienation and if there’s mental health issues, to show the courts it’s in the best interest for him to get custody.

        I’ve also seen it where fathers have been more likely to take on custody when a potential stepmother gets involved: he has someone to share the burden of childcare, he gets to look like father of the year when he saves his kids from the ex, and depending on the law, it might reduce or eliminate child support.

        I think she underestimates how much a new woman can motivate a man.

  9. Miranda says:

    What a piece of work. It’s amazing how she can hook you with the first part of a sentence — OK, yes, many of us can relate to that awful feeling when you see that the person you love has a new partner and it hits you that (s)he really is gone — but then lose you with the second half with histrionics and denial and possessiveness over someone who is no longer bound to her. She needs help, if nothing else for the sake of her children. I have to imagine that she doesn’t have friends or family nearby, because if she did, they probably would’ve seen that she was spiraling.

    I’m obviously not qualified to make a diagnosis, but her behavior is VERY reminiscent of a friend of mine who has BPD. Does anyone know more about the condition and whether or not it may apply to Alice?

    • Mcmmom says:

      Yes, I agree – I’m also not qualified to make the diagnosis and I also think she has BPD. Her slippery handle on the truth reminds me of someone I knew who spiraled out of control and it ended tragically. I think for some people with BPD, they can seem stable and keep it together well enough to be functioning, but when something tugs on that thread (like him leaving), their whole lives and very sanity unravel.

      • nana says:

        yeah I have BPD and would really appreciate it if you did not ascribe abusive behaviour as part of mental illness. Being a see you next tuesday is not a medical diagnoses.

      • Justpassingby says:

        Yes possibly. She does look really unwell. I feel very sorry for her.

      • Grant says:

        I practice family law and have had both clients who have BPD (diagnosed) and opposing parties who have BPD (diagnosed) and this kind of abusive behavior and tenuous grasp on the truth is an absolute symptom of someone who suffers from BPD.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        “Being a see you next tuesday is not a medical diagnoses.”

        Co-sign. I wish people would stop making a diagnosis for every abuser in town. Being an abusive a$$h*le is not a disease.

    • Amy Too says:

      She sounds so much like my mother who has BPD. Super strong emotions, needing to be loved in a very demonstrative way, taking everything personally, assuming that someone being “too quiet” or tired after flying home from a long shoot across the world means that they’re mad at her/don’t love her anymore. She’s extremely paranoid, too, thinking that no one likes or loves her as much as she likes or loves them, she’s always needing to be reassured very strongly that people still like/love her. Any tiny disagreement about anything sends her reeling, and she’ll have a completely break down, sobbing and screaming about how we must hate her, she’s worried we’ll never speak to her again, she’s convinced we’ve always hated her and are going to use the fact that she wants to have the birthday party on Saturday at 2PM when we would prefer to have the birthday party on Saturday at 4PM as the excuse we need to cut her out of our lives because apparently we’re all just waiting for the right excuse to cut her out and never speak to her again.

      She has no sense of self, her self esteem and self worth are tied to her relationships: her being a wife, a mother, and grandmother. Holidays are ruined for her and she spends them in bed crying if we need to spend the holiday at my in-laws instead of with her. Because she can’t enjoy herself when she’s alone: she has to be performing mother/grandmother duties to feel happiness and self worth, but even the holidays that we do spend with her end up with screaming crying fights, because we don’t “appreciate” her enough. She expects profuse declarations of thanks and love for doing the smallest of things, like buying me school clothes when I was a child. Things that normal parents do just because that’s what parents do, ended up being things that she would hold over us for years and years and bring up in fights decades later. I’m in my mid thirties now and she will still bring up the fact that she bought me a pair of shoes I liked when I was 12 as an example of “how much I’ve done for you” when she feels like she’s not getting the appropriate amount of love or affection or attention.

      We don’t spend a lot of time with her because she’s exhausting and makes everyone feel like they’re walking on eggshells just waiting for her to explode at any time, and unfortunately, that feeds into her feelings of abandonment.

      I see a lot of my mother in Alice. The fact that she insists on calling Ioan her husband still is her needing to own him, to be connected to him because she has no self worth or sense or self outside of being loved by him. Yes, they’re technically not divorced yet, but everyone else would call him their ex, or soon to be ex.

      • Laura-Lee says:

        This sounds very exhausting, Amy Too. I’m sorry this is your experience. What a bummer. I hope your in-laws are nice.

      • Jaded says:

        I so relate to this Amy Too. See my post below. My mother was more of a covert BPD but my sister was full-on narcississtic BPD and she terrorized me until I finally had to go no-contact.

        Wishing you all the best.

    • Jaded says:

      @Miranda — I know a lot about it, my mother and sister both had it and growing up with them was like picking my way through a field of land mines. Borderlines are deeply insecure so they create a sort of grandiose false-self or ego behind which they hide. They are also deeply emotional and feel things much more strongly than normal people, so in order to deal with emotions like anger, shame or guilt, they turn into self-pitying drama queens and blame everyone else for their failures. Because they have no impulse control, they will lie and gaslight and manipulate those who they feel have rejected them when, in fact, the borderline drives them away. Mr. Jaded’s ex-wife is borderline and he describes it as like being married to a tempermental toddler.

  10. cleak says:

    I’m a little baffled here and maybe it’s because I’m only reading the snippets here. She says she hasn’t seen him in 11 months but then he’s ripping her laptop out of her hand and yelling at her? That makes no sense.

    • lucy2 says:

      The laptop thing happened when they broke up, then 11 months later he has a new girlfriend. I think.

      This woman is obviously in pain, but she is making it so much worse for herself, and her children, when she blasts her version all over social media. It sounds like she doesn’t have friends she can talk to about this, so if she needs support, she should find a support group, or post online anonymously. So the attention she gets from it being public has to be part of the appeal.

    • ElleV says:

      seems she’s intentionally blurring timelines to make it look like he cheated in absence of any proof

      from what i gather:
      – the laptop situation occurred when he first told her he was leaving months ago
      – his girlfriend rollout happened only recently, long after he filed for divorce

      im sure if she had ANY suspicion he was cheating before now we’d have heard about it from her twitter

      • Maria says:

        “im sure if she had ANY suspicion he was cheating earlier we’d have heard about it from her twitter”

        Yep, this is what convinces me he never cheated. We would have never heard the end of it if she had even suspected.

    • Miranda says:

      I admittedly don’t know much about these things, but when she says obviously contradictory or blatantly false things like that, it really does seem like she’s having some sort of break with reality or a dissociative episode or something. I’m honestly very worried for the kids, I can’t imagine how scary it must be for them to see their mother acting this way. It reminds me of a student I had in my first year of teaching. His mother had untreated schizophrenia, and he would start shaking, almost violently, every time the bell rang at the end of the school day, terrified to go home because he didn’t know which side of his mom he would get that day. It was heartbreaking, and I don’t want it to get that bad for Ioan and Alice’s kids.

      • Amy Too says:

        She also said that they had more sex than usual summer 2020 while he was home for the pandemic, but recently, when she found out about his new gf and decided to claim it meant he’s been cheating for years, she claimed that for the last 2 years he had been refusing to have sex with her. I think she has a warped sense of time, possibly, or isn’t actually checking if what she’s saying is accurate before she tweets. She could also be purposely lying to make things seem worse than they were so that she seems like more of a victim. Or—and this is something my borderline personality disorder mom does—she could have actually convinced herself that things that didn’t actually happen, happened. My mom will get herself so worked up worrying about potential bad outcomes, imagining them so intently, spending weeks thinking about them and what she would do, that she will actually create false memories in which these “worst case scenarios” actually happened. She will often, during arguments or conversations, throw out some memory she has of a horrible thing I said or did to her years ago that never actually happened. But she is convinced it did happen because she spent weeks thinking about it/worrying about it.

  11. Steph says:

    This poor woman. She’s built just like me. All belly. At least she had a time in her life when it wasn’t huge. I never had that and at 37, it’s unlikely I ever will.

    As far as everything else, I really hope she gets professional help. She’s going through more than heart break.

    • Amy Too says:

      I feel like that red carpet pose she does in photos where she arches her back and sticks her stomach way out in front of her is really unfortunate, too. It’s not doing whatever she thinks it’s doing. Maybe she thinks she’s elongating her torso by stretching it out, or maybe she thinks she’s pushing out her chest so the emphasis will be on her bust. The super arched back also gives her a very short neck and wrinkled chin. I just can’t figure out what she’s trying to do there.

  12. Mtec says:

    Yikes, she’s giving me Betty Broderick vibes.

  13. MsDiMeanOur says:

    Life imitates art… She really became Esther Mikaelson IRL (The Originals/The Vampire Diaries)… What a psycho.

  14. Michael says:

    She writes like she is the heroin of a Hallmark movie. So dramatic I do not even know who she is and I am tired of her

  15. Moderatelywealthy says:

    Part of her probably does not mind losing custody: the youngest is eight, which means could keep in touch online, and she would get to rant on Twitter about how terrible ex us destroying her life and took the kids

    This is the most attention she has received in years- she might as well have become addicted .

    • Mcmmom says:

      I hope that’s all that happens. My worst fear with something like this is a Madea (the Greek myth, not the Tyler Perry character) situation. The maternal instinct is strong, but for some, the desire for revenge is stronger.

  16. Bookie says:

    She’s going to lose custody. This is crazy.

  17. JT says:

    Even her own lawyers are telling her to put a sock in it, so there shouldn’t be any comments saying Ioan is a narc for being calm or something. He’s probably following his lawyer’s advice. I thought the comments about him on the last thread were a little ridiculous. Also, people saying that he doesn’t care about his kids because he’s working, who do you think is paying the bills? She hasn’t had consistent work in some time, so it’s up to Ioan to maintain the family. He’ll also have to pay child support and most likely alimony, so that means he’ll have to go where the work is, lest be called a deadbeat for not paying child support.

  18. Lola says:

    JT, exactly! Someone has to work to pay the bills.

    She just wants to control him and the only way she can do it is via emotional manipulation at this point. She wants to destroy him, regardless of the cost to anyone else, including herself.

    • JT says:

      I didn’t understand why people were shaming him for continuing to work, when it seems pretty clear that the family, including Alice, is dependent on his income. Maybe she has some money coming in on the side but what is he supposed to do? He’s been the main breadwinner for years and he has to support his children but that doesn’t mean he’s abandoning them. She definitely wants to control him, her own actions prove that and yet, people think they both deserve equal blame.

      • LightPurple says:

        Also, people have been trying to portray the fact that he hasn’t just taken them from her as some evidence he doesn’t want them when it is probably his view that the kids need both parents in their lives. We know he tries to spend time with them via scheduled meetings through an internet site that the Court agreed to through their attorneys but she was interfering with that. He is trying to the co-parenting thing and she is not.

    • Deering24 says:

      Come to think of it, how is she paying her legal bills? That’s a lot of lawyers…

  19. Nanny to the Rescue says:

    Just a silly thing I noticed: Duchess Meghan and Ioan Gruffudd appeared in the same film. Horrible Bosses. Not together as each had a very small cameo, but that’s one title Alice better keep away or it will drive her mad(der).

    • iconoclast59 says:

      I wonder if THAT’S why Alice slams Meghan on SM. Maybe Ioan said something complimentary about working w/ her, and now Alice is convinced that Meghan was trying to steal her husband!

  20. MelOn says:

    Can we stop saying he probably cheated when know one knows if that’s true or not. She is unbalanced, he has been living with an irrational woman for years. I don’t blame him for leaving and it’s obvious that he’s trying to gain custody of his children. I don’t feel sorry for her, she is the master of her own mess, I hope he has a restraining order and when he has custody of his children that she has supervised visitation until she gets help. Women are not always the victim.

    • Myra says:

      Thank you. It’s unfair to accuse him of something based solely on the words of a compulsive liar. How can you say he was cheating on you for three years with your friend when you have never met that person? Who does that?

    • Lady D says:

      ” it’s obvious that he’s trying to gain custody of his children.” How? Don’t get me wrong, I think (based on almost nothing about him) that he is the better parent at the moment, but we have no idea what he’s up to custody-wise. The second he files for custody however, she’ll let the whole world know. I have the feeling that she would be thrilled by that announcement. Are NPD people capable of any genuine emotion? Does she actually love her daughters?

      • g says:

        Can we stop with questioning his intent with custody? Until he explicitly says he does not want custody, I’m going to assume he is doing what his lawyers are advising him to do and staying quiet. He is not the one traumatizing his children and this speculation that a father does not want his kids is disgusting.

  21. Zaylina says:

    She’s shown herself to be an extremely controlling, toxic, abusive woman. She is enraged that she can’t control him anymore so she’s trying to destroy his reputation. That is what narcissistic abusers do.

    He left her over a year ago and he’s allowed to move on. We’re all entitled to leave relationships and move on. She’s not listening to him and still calls him her husband and bizarrely, thinks she can bully him into coming back.

    It’s despicable how the media is fuelling this abusive woman’s stalking and smear campaign against her ex and now his new girlfriend.

    He clearly left her because she was abusive. We’re seeing her full personality and she doesn’t respect boundaries, has no empathy, is extremely controlling and will do anything for attention.

    She’s made up lies about his female costar (who plays his daughter) in the past, falsely accusing her of having an affair with him and sending all her lunatic followers after the poor girl. She has harassed his colleagues, friends and fans online.

    It’s terrible how she’s not called out on her abusive parenting – she alienates her kids from their dad, tells them he abandoned them and doesn’t love them, interferes with their contact, has screaming fits and distresses them. That’s just what she admits to on her SM.

    It’s disturbing how many people are supporting her stalking, smearing of her ex and everybody around her ex, running with her lies and ignoring the enormous damage she’s doing to her kids.

    This story disturbs me so much. I worry for the safety of those kids. She’s so unstable, she’s happy to hurt them pschyologically and emotionally to get at her ex. I worry that could extend to physical harm if she felt there was no other way to get his attention.

    She’s seeing so many people on SM and in the media supporting her “victimhood” and blaming him for everything, if she thinks they’d blame him if she harmed them, she could do that. She’s got that vibe.

    • Charm says:

      @Zaylina
      “She is enraged that she can’t control him anymore so she’s trying to destroy his reputation. That is what narcissistic abusers do.”

      First person that popped in my mind on reading this was #ToxicTom

      • AlpineWitch says:

        “First person that popped in my mind on reading this was #ToxicTom”

        OMG I just wrote the same above. It’s like they all bought the book Abuser Tactics 101.

      • Lady D says:

        If he got custody, she wouldn’t be allowed to discuss the girls online, right? Her rage at losing him is no lie, scary. Would she rage like that at her girls, if he gained custody, or would it just be all his supposed parenting fails?

    • AlpineWitch says:

      “It’s disturbing how many people are supporting her stalking, smearing of her ex and everybody around her ex, running with her lies and ignoring the enormous damage she’s doing to her kids.”

      +1,000

    • Deering24 says:

      “This story disturbs me so much. I worry for the safety of those kids. She’s so unstable, she’s happy to hurt them pschyologically and emotionally to get at her ex.”

      And heaven help the kids if they start doubting her assertions—or don’t cater to her narcissism 24/7. I don’t think it’s a stretch for her to go family annihilator.

  22. AmelieOriginal says:

    I read the whole essay on DailyMail and this stood out to me “Of course, if he had done that [told her about Bianca earlier], I would have been upset. But I would think, ‘OK, let’s sort this out’, and then we would have discussed, you know, how much he thought he was in love with this woman. How much? I might have been able to persuade him to salvage us. Let’s somehow be a two-parent family until our children were at least teenagers.”

    Despite Alice’s convoluted storytelling, it’s clear from the essay Ioan had been unhappy for awhile and he communicated that to Alice repeatedly. She remained in denial and threw tantrums about it. Ioan tried to make it work for a bit when he came from Australia during lockdown but that didn’t last. I think we can all sympathize that finding out your ex has moved on with a pretty young thing with a banging bikini body has got to hurt. Ioan gets no brownie points there (he’s almost 20 years older than his new girlfriend I think). But Alice goes on and on about how she wished Ioan had told her about Bianca earlier because she’s “resilient” but then goes on to say the above, that she would have tried to convince Ioan to come back and pretend to be a happy family until their daughters were older, to debate with him just how “in love” he was with Bianca. It doesn’t matter when Ioan would have told her about Bianca, he could have told her one week into their relationship or one year and Alice still would have gone nuclear and aired everything on Twitter.

    If she loses custody of her daughters, she has nobody but herself to blame. She basically admits in her essay she has been telling her daughters about her father’s “lies,” alienating them against him. I think I read somewhere his oldest daughter doesn’t want to see him? I don’t know if Ioan wants to be a full time parent. Anyways it’s a huge mess and I feel sorry for the two daughters to be saddled with such messy parents, but especially Alice for discussing every single excruciating detail online. I wonder how this essay will impact custody of the girls.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      Why messy parents? Her father only left the mother. He is sharing custody, as far as I can tell.

    • jjva says:

      Ugh, the “debate how much” line. A lot of the Alice saga is reminding me of my ex; I was with him from 23 to 38, and this “debating” was one of his favorite tactics. When I finally did leave for good he “debated” it with my email inbox for weeks. Pages and pages of “debate.” The fact that my perspective was not necessary should tell you how these people view “debate.”

      (Also very reminded of him when Alice says she and Ioan had “20 perfect years!” together. I betcha for every single one of those years Ioan was trying to communicate that things were not in fact perfect but he got “debated” out of it every time. these people are god damned bulldozers.)

  23. Ariel says:

    Here’s one of the really horrifying things about people who thrive in chaos- if she loses custody (she probably won’t b/c he may not want to be a full time dad, it is a real time suck) is that she then can dedicate her whole day, every day to the injustice done to her and the horror of her babies being ripped away from her. and if she is truly a chaos addict, than that horror reality is even better than actually having her kids with her.

    Which is really screwed up

  24. remarks says:

    She made him seem sympathetic in the essay. Not sure why she’d bother writing an essay if he’s the one who comes out looking like the sympathetic one.

  25. Maria says:

    It occurs to me that this is what Chrissy Teigen would do if John Legend ever broke up with her.

  26. MariaS says:

    She’s giving off strong Betty Broderick vibes here. Ioan needs a restraining order.

    • Spikey says:

      I totally agree! She sounds so much like Betty Broderick and look how that turned out!! I hope he’s very aware of the possibility of her getting even worse.

  27. Joanna says:

    If she wanted to vent online, she could done it anonymously. The fact that she didn’t shows she wanted everyone to know who her husband is and make it he11 for him.

  28. Case says:

    She seems like she’d get along wonderfully with Chrissy Teigen.

  29. Bren says:

    She spends all of her time on Twitter when does she have time to raise her children? I spent the last 3 minutes scrolling down her timeline and I’m still on Oct. 30th. My goodness.

  30. Athena says:

    I’ve never heard of Alice or Leon before all this, but I’m taken back by all the support he’s getting here. She wants answers, if he cheated, who he cheated with, how long, etc and he is silent, which so many here seems to think is a good thing but I think he’s emotionally absent . He should face her and deal in person with the pain he has caused her. I believe he gaslighted her for years. She most likely knew there were issues, probably tried to have conversations and he pretended everything was fine, it’s all in her mind.
    This is also a huge financial set back, if she was a stay at home mom, a lot of assets is probably joint assets, she probably doesn’t have much save for retirement (as a single person) expecting it to be a joint thing.
    He pulled the rug out from under her and doesn’t have the decency to face her, instead he’s thousands of miles away giving her the cold treatment, he emotionally moved on years ago and has now decided to physically move on, why should she be the one left to make it better for the kids.
    Why do we as a society insist it’s the woman who needs to have custody of the children. All these warning about how she needs to stop before she loses custody. If he’s such a great guy let him take custody.

    • Bren says:

      No one is saying her feelings aren’t valid. The fact that she’s blasting the fallout of her marriage on social media is what’s off-putting.

      • cer says:

        That, and she’s a very unreliable narrarator.
        And her going after Meghan Markle.
        Evans may be the victim of gaslighting.
        But it’s also possible she’s the abusive and gaslighting spouse.

    • AmelieOriginal says:

      Well what goes around may come around? She was apparently dating Picasso’s grandson and living with him in Paris when she met her husband Ioan. She basically left him to be with Ioan and she admitted to keeping her affair with Ioan a secret while she was still with her ex: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ioan-and-alice-ring-mystery-1981669

      Two wrongs don’t make a right, I know. Ioan may or may not have cheated, but Alice was fine cheating on her ex and Ioan was fine being the other man back then (no idea if he was also in a relationship when he met Alice).

    • Maria says:

      There’s no evidence he cheated. He’s gone silent because that’s how you deal with a malignant narcissist. She’s going to twist everything he says and she’s encouraging people to harass and even threaten him on social media for just posting a picture. She acts like she owns him, even saying nasty things about Wales, his home country, in her tweets. She weaponizes the children and airs their problems and confidences to paint herself as a victim. None of this is okay. And he did try to face her pain but she went online and tweeted about it in the middle of it.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        She’s a xenophobic racist mess, not surprised she has now something to say about Wales too.

    • Eating Popcorn says:

      @athena Why wouldn’t he get support, what has he done other than ask his wife for a divorce. You make an assumption that she is a reliable narrator, her own inconsistencies tell us she is not.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      “I’ve never heard of Alice or Leon before all this, but I’m taken back by all the support he’s getting here. ”

      Sorry but I will never side with an emotionally abusive person, regardless of what gender they are. Being a woman doesn’t make it ok to behave like that. I don’t even like him (he comes across annoying on screen) but she’s an abuser and I will never condone abuse in any form.

      “Why do we as a society insist it’s the woman who needs to have custody of the children. All these warning about how she needs to stop before she loses custody. If he’s such a great guy let him take custody.”

      You assume she would have voluntarily let him have sole custody, which is not true. If he had sole custody she couldn’t have weaponised her own kids in this whole debacle.

    • remarks says:

      He’s not going to give her any answers if she’s tweeting everything he says. That’s just common sense.

      I didn’t expect to read that he was crying to his parents in Welsh on the phone. Thank goodness he speaks another language she can’t understand.

    • Nanny to the Rescue says:

      He communicates with her via a court-arranged app. He was apparently warned by his lawyers to cut in-person communication with her and keep his mouth shut.

      And she’s doing a fine job in proving just why.

    • nina says:

      Wow. Did we read the same article? All I got from the article was her histrionics and refusal to deal with the situation. She comes across as a raving lunatic. Marriages fall apart all the time
      The adult thing to do is to get some professional help for coping and dealing with the situation. They have been separated for 11 months, why is it his duty to help her cope with him moving on. She is not his child.
      She is not making it better for the kids in fact she is making it worse for them, using them as pawns in her little game.
      As to her financial situation, they have a prenup. If you sign one make sure you provide for your future. Stop believing in forever after and handle your stuff.
      This is like a train wreck, You don’t want to be part of it but you cant look away.

    • bonobochick says:

      It seems like you need him to be the bad guy in order to rationalize her behavior.

    • FrodoOrOdo says:

      How have you read everything written, including her own words and come to this conclusion?

      The woman is abusive and you don’t owe an abuser a damned thing when you finally summon up the resolve to leave.

    • LightPurple says:

      Hi, Alice!

    • Jaded says:

      It’s clear you’ve never heard of Alice and Ioan before this. She’s is sick in the head. She’s being publicly abusive, spreading lies and misinformation, and acting like nothing is her fault. I’ve grown up with BPD in my family (mother and sister), and have had to end friendships with people like Alice and believe me, they are exhausting. They’re like tempermental two-year olds who can’t control their impulses, emotions and actions, no matter what you say or do. You can’t reason with them, and because they don’t understand remorse and empathy like an adult does, they will never stop blaming everyone around them for their own problematic behaviour. Unless she shuts up and gets therapy she won’t get primary custody of her kids

    • Jayna says:

      Somewhere the truth is in the middle. But really the bad part of all of this is the way she has been using her kids. It’s gross. And she is not a very reliable narrator. So it’s the kids being used to the degree she is using them which disgusts me.

      • Matilde says:

        I’m pretty sure the majority of people commenting “this happens all of the time” haven’t actually had their 20 year marriage publicly implode. I’ve had friends go through divorce and watching someone’s world fall apart is awful. There are 2 kids involved here and a woman who is clearly unwell. I hope she has friends or family who can get her help. The situation, as it stands, is damaging for everyone involved.

  31. Lululu says:

    If the first thing my spouse did after I told him/her I was leaving was blast it on social media, that would make me cry too. It was not a cry for help, it was an attempt to shame him into staying.

    As for custody, I kind of don’t think he really wants custody of the kids? I get the feeling that he loves them but isn’t interested in being a full time dad. But that’s just a guess.

    • LightPurple says:

      Or he wants to co-parent because he thinks his kids need both parents in their lives?

      • Lululu says:

        She doesn’t seem remotely capable of co-parenting. Or parenting, really. Any effort he makes to co-parent (that we know of) seems to just set her off and give her the opportunity to be even more toxic and awful to all three of them, privately and publicly. I suspect his two most viable options are taking the kids away completely or co-parenting only very minimally to protect himself and his kids from her toxic tirades. I’m sure there are some options in between that would be preferable, but I’m skeptical that she would be willing or able to make them work.

  32. Kristen says:

    A big giveaway (among many) that she isn’t thinking about the well-being of their children: her lawyers are telling her she could lose custody if she continues tweeting, but she decides to continue anyway because of how good the support from other women makes her feel.

    • Annie says:

      Speaking as a lawyer, I would have fired her ages ago. I give you sound legal advice and you ignore it AND make things worse? Bye! I’ve had one ungovernable client in 25 years – you have to put it all in writing (both your advice AND the fact that you’re firing her as a client) and RUN.

      I bet she’s already been through a pack of lawyers by now. Unfortunately it’s not rare, which is why I chose the peaceful world of criminal law rather than the acid flashback atmosphere of family law.

      • Tyle says:

        This.

      • Still_Sarah says:

        @ Annie : when I was practicing law, I always found criminal clients easier to deal with than my family law clients.

      • Lady D says:

        You guys remind of a mid-80’s Dear Abby poll. She asked, if you could do it over, would you have children again? Two thirds of respondents said no. I understand that response so much better now.

      • LaraW” says:

        Family law is its own goddamn beast. Have a relative who works in it and takes the really really bad cases pro bono (eg representing teenagers who’ve been molested by their parents, cases of actual incest) because it’s a calling for them. Really admire them, but I could not stomach it.

  33. cassandra says:

    I saw the article yesterday and couldn’t wait to come here and read the comments

    Alice Evans desperately needs real friends and a therapist.

    Also, Ioan’s new girlfriend must be very brave and very in love. Pretty sure I wouldn’t touch a situation this messy with a ten foot pole.

  34. Ann says:

    I looked at her essay and could only feel second hand embarrassment. I cannot believe someone would share such intimate details with that publication. She needs help.

    There is one thing on which I will side with Alice, though, and that’s the part about wanting him to come home from Australia when the it became clear that the Pandemic was severe and might last a long time. She wanted him to come home, as so many Americans abroad were trying to do, and he got mad at her about it?

    He said he loved it there and it only would have been another couple of months if he didn’t get out then (possibly not true, as it turns out). That they were close to finishing filming of the Finale. At that point, he had been away from his family for seven months. That’s a long time to be away from your young children. I certainly don’t blame her for wanting him to get on a plane and get back ASAP.

    Maybe it was really about her and not the kids. I can believe that, given her behavior and how she is dragging the children into this mess. But either way, as a father I think he should have been trying to get back instead of trying to stay there. One thing seems clear, she HAS been doing the lions share of the parenting and he has been absent. And doesn’t seem to mind being absent.

    She needs to stop this for the sake of her children, or she really might lose custody. And lose it to a man who doesn’t seem to want the job very much?

    • Maria says:

      I don’t know why people keep saying he doesn’t want his kids. This is his main acting gig and if they hadn’t finished filming then of course it concerned him. Plenty of actors got clearance during the pandemic through various channels and he may not have figured it would be this bad.
      He has been completely discreet about this and I think it’s because he does want custody.

      • Ann says:

        I didn’t say he doesn’t want his kids. I said I wouldn’t blame someone for wanting their spouse to fly home at that point in the global pandemic, especially as he had already been gone for more than half a year. He doesn’t come across as eager to be a full time and that’s OK, but it is what it is. As you said, he needs the work. But others on this thread have also pointed it out: one doesn’t get the sense he is looking for full custody.

        Maybe you’re right and he is playing some kind of long game we are not privy to? I don’t know. For the sake of the children, I hope she gets help. They need both their parents to be functioning and healthy.

      • Maria says:

        Well, you said in your last sentence she might lose custody to a man who doesn’t seem to want custody very much…so that to me was suggesting he didn’t want his kids.

        It seems to me like he wants to coparent them and she won’t let that happen – she intrudes on their chats together and puts a lot of emotional burdens on them to stay “loyal” to her and it seems like her relationship with them is completely centered on whether they can soothe her (she’s on Twitter 24/7, like someone said above, when is she actually parenting them?). So he’ll have to work this out with lawyers, and he’s doing the right thing by staying silent.

    • Your Cousin Vinny says:

      Agreed, even if she’s right in some respects unfortunately her inability to keep it together has made her an unreliable narrator of events and people like us on the outside who have no knowledge of what has really gone down are more likely to palm her off as unhinged and side with Ioan.

      I still think it’s possible both have behaved poorly here. It’s not unheard of for people to have an affair and not communicate their unhappiness to a partner. It happens every day.

      And I also found it curious that a man who hasn’t posted anything on Instagram in ten months suddenly pops up with a message about a new partner making them smile again. He can post whatever the hell he wants to post, obviously! But for someone so relatively private it stood out to me. I could absolutely see how that could feel like a public jab to his former partner – there are other ways to introduce a new partner without alluding to the fact you were unhappy previously

      • Coco says:

        It’s been a year since they split not a month or even three, if he wants post his new girlfriend then their is no problem.

  35. remarks says:

    The internet isn’t good for some people. She’s one of them.

    I’m guilty of spending more time than I should on the internet at times , but it’s not representative of reality. When you interact with people offline, you realize how insulated you are in your own thoughts online.

  36. Annie says:

    I have zero sympathy for this deranged lunatic.

  37. LightPurple says:

    Just wondering if I’m alone in this but if I were in a committed relationship, especially a marriage, with a person who spoke another language with his family, I would make an effort to learn that language. At least to the point where I’ can carry on a simple conversation and I would want my children to learn it too so they would have that in common with their parent and be able to communicate fully with their grandparents and be immersed somewhat in their heritage. But after all these years of marriage, she doesn’t understand the language his family speaks? Seems like she made little effort in even the most basic areas to know the man she married.

    • Ann says:

      But it is a case of his parents not speaking English, or of them preferring to speak to each other in Welsh? I think the vast majority of Welsh people do speak English. Maybe he and his parents just prefer to communicate with each other in Welsh in personal conversations.

      • Minnie says:

        I think in this case, Ioan and his parents converse in Welsh deliberately in order to keep Alice out of their conversations. Clearly, nothing is sacred to her, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was particularly wary about saying anything that she would then immediately post onto social media. Alice is clearly toxic and emotionally abusive. I’m exhausted just reading some of the stuff she’s written; I can’t imagine actually living with her and having to tip-toe around her 24/7.

      • Maria says:

        I’m sure they all speak English. But it’s obviously a language he uses intimately at home. There’s no reason she shouldn’t have learned at least some. I suppose because she didn’t it became a safe way to communicate like Minnie says.

      • Matilde says:

        I think Minnie has nailed it. Welsh is a minority language similar to Irish and will probably be their second language to English. I have friends in Wales and 15-20 years ago very few people spoke it, but after a surge in nationalism there was a push to have it more widely-spoken. I find it rather beautiful but It’s a tricky one to master.

      • Fortuona says:

        Welsh it what he spoke at home .Both his parents taught at Welsh Language schools and 30% of the public now speak it – just watching him when he was accepted into the Eisteddfod and Alice was there and he said he was trying to teach her

    • Fortuona says:

      Strange that he never taught the kids either as Math and Keri’s kid speaks Welsh

      • Tamsin says:

        Do you really think she’d allow him to establish a way to communicate with their kids that she couldn’t monitor and control?

        Long-time lurker, first-time poster – when this story was first posted here way back when, I thought to myself that what it looked like a person very calmly and carefully getting themself out of an abusive relationship using what advantages they had – distant workplace, public profile – to protect themself given that the point where the abused partner leaves is the point at which they’re in most danger, but it was going unrecognised because people aren’t used to seeing a man take those steps. Nothing that’s been revealed by Alice or others since then has changed my opinion on what’s going on. And while I know people here are wondering about why he didn’t take the kids etc, but as they say, you have to put on your own oxygen mask before you can help others.

    • Lady D says:

      I’m like you, LightPurple. I would absolutely learn the family language. It might take me awhile, but I’d have the time. I think it would be both fun and educational to have my children speak their grandparent’s mother tongue, even if I couldn’t. I think it would be something special that belonged to them and their grandma/grampa.

    • ExpatInTheUK says:

      My family’s native tongue isn’t English. I never actually got around to teaching my husband or children since we live overseas and only visited my family once or twice a year! I don’t think it’s too strange Alice didn’t learn given they were based in LA, away from family.

  38. Lala11_7 says:

    During the 2 year period where she said Ioan kept telling her she was awful…SHE WAS online being a woman who would be comfortable wearing a MAGA red hat…which is AWFUL….and that’s a FACT!

  39. remarks says:

    She’s a physically attractive woman in her red carpet photos. I don’t think he “replaced” her based on looks.

    Her personality, on the other hand….

    I assume it’s her looks he fell for because her personality is super annoying.

  40. Maggie says:

    Wondering if it’s possible she’s having a hard time with menopause. Particularly if a he’s not some type on hormone replacement therapy, it can cause mood swings and irrational behavior. A lot of men have a hard time dealing with their wives at this stage, from the weight gain and sudden aging to the hormonal outbursts of crying and anger. It’s not uncommon for men to leave wives when they’re going through it and hook up with a younger woman either. That would really explain a lot about both of them.

    • cer says:

      I was wondering if menopause was playing a role, but she appears to have always been ‘extra’.
      It’s possible he liked that at first but has now tired of it.

      • Jaded says:

        Women with BPD can be very exciting at first (the honeymoon phase) — they love bomb and hero worship, they’re open and charismatic and seductive. That’s how they cover up their insecurities and fear of abandonment, but eventually keeping up the facade becomes impossible and the real person is revealed as a self-obsessed, tempermental child and things start to fall apart.

      • Fortuona says:

        And she does not talk her dad because he ‘left her’

    • Rose says:

      Oh no honey, we are not going to wave away narcissistic abuse (of Ioan AND their children) by excusing it as menopause and Ioan’s inability to deal with that. No ma’am.

    • Jaded says:

      Menopause may actually exacerbate symptoms of already existing BPD in some women, but she wouldn’t be exhibiting the utter roller-coaster crazy behaviour if it were simply a case of hot flashes and moodiness associated with hormone changes. She is full-on abusive and self-obsessed to the point where she’s not even considering her children in this mess.

    • MelOn says:

      Wondering if it’s possible she’s having a hard time with menopause? Yeah, no. Don’t even start making these kinds of excuses for her. When you say /believe things like this you give sexist people ammunition to say that women can’t handle high pressure jobs because they easily become emotional basket cases. STOP.

      • Andrea says:

        My mother, a rather hateful/aggressive woman to begin with, got MORE hateful and brutal with her words during menopause. This just exacerbated her true nature in both cases I believe.

  41. Rose says:

    My lawyer would have had a stroke if I had done what she was doing.

    What my ex did couldn’t get him arrested but it would have definitely ruined his career.

    I didn’t broadcast the dirty laundry although I wanted people to know what he had done, I wanted the divorce to be over faster and easier more. I kept my mouth shut and did exactly as my lawyer told me to.

    This woman is a fool and there’s no changing her. I can’t believe people are dumping on Ioan and giving her a pass. He is, and has been, abused.

  42. remarks says:

    Maybe she can’t face that she’s the architect of her own misery and finds it easier to blame the new woman he’s with.

    She seems self-destructive to me.

    I assume the kids will side with the dad when they’re older, regardless of what flaws (no one is perfect) he might have had in the marriage.

    • Kristen says:

      There is absolutely no convincing a narcissist that they are the cause of any of their problems.

  43. LeonsMomma says:

    John Legend take note—this is going to happen to you if you divorce Chrissy.

  44. Mina_Esq says:

    I feel so invested in this trainwreck. I feel so bad because I know that kids are involved, but this woman is next level.

  45. Lady Digby says:

    Yesterday Sarah Vine wrote a sympathetic article on Alice and then they exchanged supportive tweets. Sarah’s soon to be divorced husband Michael Gove must be quaking in his boots. I wonder Kate’s team are reminding William that things could get very nasty if he decided to dump a perfect 20 year partnership? Sarah also attended a state banquet and was photographed entering alongside Rose Hanbury in 2019. It is a small world and I suspect Sarah might want to write more articles about husbands ending 20 year old relationship? Nudge nudge?!

    • Maria says:

      Hm! Not to mention Alice Evans is BFF’s with Celia Walden and Piers Morgan!
      Rose worked for Michael Gove previously which would explain why she and Sarah Vine know each other but who knows if they’re still close upon their divorce. Sarah Vine hates Meghan and Alice hating her too and being so close with Piers would definitely endear her to Alice not to mention her own marriage ending somewhat similarly.

  46. Gracie says:

    One of her comments, about him not liking “fatties” or something to that effect, brings me back to my childhood with a mother who had tendencies (I can’t put a label on them). I doubt my father ever mentioned her weight, she was always svelte and I’ve never heard him make comments about anyone’s appearance, but she said he preferred thin women, etc. this deeply impacted me as a child and a teen – I struggled with food and weight acceptance a lot and am still working through this in therapy. I sincerely hope someone around her is protecting the children. It certainly takes two to break a marriage, but the kids don’t have to suffer. Just my opinion, but she strikes me as someone who has never experienced hardships and therefore cannot appreciate the bigger picture. Her purpose right now is to help those kids through this, and that requires quiet strength. So your marriage fell apart – it happens. Show those kids how to keep your head up and move through productively.

    • A says:

      I said something quite similar in a previous article yesterday. There are a couple of articles out there that are about her or profiling her and the way she speaks about herself and her thoughts on her own weight say a lot about who, exactly, “can’t stand fatties.”

  47. LadySwampwitchGivsneaufux says:

    I am sick of this crap. Women getting left by their husbands for young women stinks and I am not here to support ian. He is gross. She is sad. Its a mess. But I am not gonna blame it all on her, he could have kept this out of the media. I hate men who do this. I loathe him. He is trash.

    • PoppedBubble says:

      How exactly could he have kept it out of the media when she’s the one tweeting and sharing non-stop? Are you saying she no control over what she shares?

    • Maria says:

      He’s been totally silent except for one picture that she is literally encouraging thousands of people to harass him over.
      She’s alienated her family, she cheated on her fiance for him, she’s accused him of everything from fat-shaming to abusing their children. He has admitted she pressured him into marriage and likely she has been doing this all along. She literally admitted she made him cry on the phone to his parents!

    • Jaded says:

      Marriages break down. He didn’t leave her for a younger woman, he left her because she has some seriously problematic mental health issues that he’s had to deal with for a long time, and finally reached a point where he couldn’t deal with them anymore — be it borderline, narcissistic, histrionic, a combination of all of them — she is clearly not well in the head but refuses to admit any culpability in the breakdown of their relationship. Furthermore, he HAS kept his side out of the media — Alice is the one going all-out attacking through social media. Nothing but crickets from him.

    • MelOn says:

      How is he responsible for what she does? What was he supposed to do, break her fingers and take all the phones and the laptops? You realize that even without social media this type of person would have called the media and sat down for interviews to have a public platform to act up and out. The only one responsible for her behavior is HER.

  48. Lady Digby says:

    Alice claims to have 3 lawyers and a divorce coach? Sorry but I have never heard of a divorce coach, swimming coach but not divorce coach? Please can anybody enlighten me what said person does because it seems to me that they would need to tweet at top speed to get Alice’s attention!

  49. remarks says:

    I just can’t fathom why she tweeted in the middle of an argument.

    To be honest, I’m dying to know why he left too. I’ve become unnecessarily addicted to this story. But if she was tweeting while the argument was happening, she pretty much cut off all chance of him giving an explanation. He probably would have told her why he was leaving if he thought his privacy would be protected. Granted, it’s likely she would have told the reason on Twitter 2 days later anyway to all her followers, but he wouldn’t have known that in the middle of the argument.

    His parents were probably telling him in Welsh to lawyer up and make a get-away.

  50. Same says:

    I wonder if she was batshit when they got together – 20 years is a long time.

    I see she’s been diagnosed with malignant narcissism, BPD , bi-polar and schizophrenia so far in the comments.

    • Maria says:

      Yep, racism too!

      • Same says:

        Predictably that was a default

      • Maria says:

        What does that even mean? She *is* a racist! Lol. If your “that was a default” comment is meant to convey that predictably she is accused of racism just for kicks then it echoes “playing the race card” frankly.
        The excuses being made for this woman’s abusive behavior are bizarre. Even if the statistics show that women are generally the ones that suffer abuse more, women can absolutely be abusers too, and being in pain does not excuse that.

    • Andrea says:

      Justin Trudeau ‘s mother is bi polar and had 3 kids with Pierre Trudeau. They ultimately divorced and she is rumored to have slept with the Rolling Stones, but obviously this behavior can be alluring and exciting until it is not. I bring this case up only because Pierre ultimately won custody of the kids (perhaps because it was the 1970’s) but maybe perhaps for other reasons.

  51. jferber says:

    Stupid and self-destructive. She will live to regret this or else she’ll just let everything crash and burn and not give a f-ck. He will definitely be fine with his hot, young chick and publicity against the soon-to-be-ex wife. I kind of hate him for playing this so well. I can’t even imagine what his daughters are going through. I hope he is intervening in some way to support them emotionally, but I don’t get the feeling he is (though I could be wrong).

    • Minnie says:

      What is he playing at? Listening to his lawyers and staying silent as per their instructions? Cutting off his ex-wife in every single way and refusing to give her the attention she craves (something that everyone leaving a toxic person/abusive relationship behind should do)?

      Honestly, the reaction some people have towards Gruffudd makes me genuinely understand why a lot of male victims of abuse stay silent on the subject.

  52. deg says:

    His new girlfriend is brave. Alice basically blames already everything on her without knowing the poor girl lol

    When Ioan returns to Los Angeles he will need a restraining order.

    • remarks says:

      She’s tagging the new girlfriend in posts as well, which I find incredibly bizarre.

      Not sure if she’s hoping the new girlfriend gets tired and leaves him.

      • Andrea says:

        Dear lord, can any of you ladies imagine getting dragged into this by being tagged on social media?? Maybe its my age (40) but I’d be DONE unless I was madly and hopelessly in love.

  53. Bobbie says:

    Maybe part of her wants to lose custody. Then she can really paint herself as the victim and rant about how unfair the judicial system is.

  54. BountyHunter says:

    Any guilt, time line, cheating, lying, whatever aside… this chick needs inpatient.

  55. Phyl says:

    My God, but you have a way of picking the best pictures for the posts.

  56. Meh says:

    This poor woman is so insecure and so unhappy. By her reaction, it seems that the impending divorce is the culmination of all of her worst fears, even if she unwittingly instigated her own demise.
    A middle aged woman left for a much younger starlet is obviously in crisis mode. It would take someone beyond mature, bordering on guru, not to have a bit of a meltdown in a moment like this. I feel deep sympathy for her and hope that her husband will find some compassion for her, even if only for the sake of their children. Ultimately, it’s for him to recognize her unhappiness as much as she was able to recognize the opposite in him. Parents need to find common ground and understanding in order to work well together. He seems to be in a better place than she to facilitate the next steps. I hope they’ll be able to remember the love that created their shared family, and work something out without too much more animosity.

    • Same says:

      Ok that is a beautiful take and the first one I’ve read that makes me think we aren’t complete assholes around here . Powerful words we can all benefit from.

    • Maria says:

      He didn’t leave her for anyone. He had problems for a long time and she wouldn’t listen. She wouldn’t respect his need for privacy when he told her he wanted to end the marriage. She seems to admit unwittingly never recognized his unhappiness in any meaningful way and he’s not required to stay in a situation like that.
      It’s been quite a while since he filed for divorce and he’s allowed to move on.
      Why is it that we need to have compassion for her during an orchestrated character assassination of him?? She’s literally going off on Twitter about Wales, his home country, and anything else about him she can be cruel about. She gave an exclusive to one of the most vicious papers in existence, one that has stalked and threatened people, to traduce him and expose her children. She admits she feels she owns him.
      Pain does not excuse this kind of behavior. I know this by experience and years in therapy. If she can’t even do what her army of lawyers advise because she thinks she knows better then it’s not on Ioan.

      • Nanny to the Rescue says:

        What did she say about Wales?

        I’m pretty sure she once claimed to be Welsh herself but not enough in his family’s eyes or something. It was discussed here on CB, in the comments. So did she now disown that?

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Right. She’s not okay in the noggin, writes an unhinged essay, posts easily refutable things on social media, thinks her ex still belongs to her, is salty he won’t communicate directly with her, spreads misinformation, skews timelines and spews bile about Meghan & Harry. Is she applying to be a member of the royal rota or write for the British tabloid media? Getting another acting job doesn’t seem to be in her future.

      • Maria says:

        Nanny – Trying to find her tweets and replies again, although it’s difficult because you can spend ten whole minutes scrolling and it’ll still only be the past 12 hours.
        She was very aggressive to the “Welsh women” trying to give her advice that maybe these unhinged outbursts aren’t a great idea and tying it to him. Others started chiming in saying “please don’t blame all Welsh women!” etc. Good Lord.

  57. remarks says:

    I think she wants the freedom to go crazy but also wants admiration. I think you can get one or the other, but not both.

  58. Andrea says:

    Circling the drain. Grasping at straws. These thoughts come up regarding this topic. I fear we will be discussing this woman for awhile.

  59. I'm With The Band says:

    Possible unpopular opinion, but the more she talks, the more I understand why they’re not together anymore and the more it seems like she’s been problematic well before he broke it off with her.

    Yes, I understand how painful it is to see an ex move on, but for the love of God – AND YOUR KIDS – stop posting about it, Alice! Seek therapy if you need to vent so badly.

    Every word she has said about the breakdown of this relationship will be available on the internet forever for her kids to see. She’s channelling her pain into her kids and it’s so, so wrong. Ioan has, as far as we can see publicly, handled this like a mature adult.

    No child needs to know the gritty details of their parents relationship and break up. Ever. Just stop now.

  60. Jayna says:

    OMG I went down the rabbit hole. Here are some tweets she made in 2016. It’s a few days after Mother’s Day. Her mom died when she was 29 she did say in the tweets. After her mom died, her dad remarried.

    Didn’t someone post she is estranged from her father? I can’t remember. I read his wiki. Her dad is quite brainy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Evans_(mathematician)

    Here’s what she said :

    She said she had an adopted mother figure but that the woman turned on me one day over something trivial. Oh, by the way, she mentions that woman was her and Ioan’s kids’ nanny. She did say the nanny wanted to come back, but Ioan wouldn’t let her, and “now I see that he was right.”

    Then she says: I had an AWFUL stepmother who wasted no time in telling my father what a bad person I was, and a pretty mean mother-in-law who made it very clear from our first meeting that I wasn’t what she’d been expecting for her son.

    This is all on May 11th and May 12th, that she is tweeting to strangers on twitter about her own husband’s mother? I don’t believe she was married before. But does anyone see the common denominator in all of these tweets in May 2016? He should have left her years before, honestly. She seems to have big issues with everybody in her life. That’s what makes me wonder if she’s more so the problem in that she creates drama. I could be off on that theory.