I’m still not over the fact that a chief executive for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s Royal Foundation is doing their dirty work in a civil court and turning over his own texts and emails to the g–ddamn Mail on Sunday. Jason Knauf is a clown, but holy hell, Kensington Palace is the clownshow. As we discussed, Knauf volunteered information and testimony to the MoS in their appeal of the Duchess of Sussex’s summary judgment legal victory. Instead of “proving” that Meghan doesn’t really own her own copyright, all Jason Knauf has actually proven is that he’s a slimy, sycophantic slug who is terrible at his job. The entire case hinges upon the letter Meghan wrote to Thomas Markle in the late summer of 2018. In the full texts between Meghan and Jason Knauf that summer, she sent him a draft of the letter to read. Knauf provided the MoS and their lawyers with selected edits from the texts. This is what the full texts said:
Meghan Markle said Prince Harry faced “constant berating” from members of the royal family over her relationship with her father, according to texts and emails released by London’s Court of Appeal on Friday. The messages were released as a result of her lawsuit against Associated Newspapers Limited, publisher of MailOnline and The Mail on Sunday. In the messages, Meghan told her former communications chief Jason Knauf about her plans to pen a note to her father, Thomas Markle, who gave media interviews about his daughter after he pulled out of attending her May 2018 wedding.
“The catalyst for my doing this is seeing how much pain this is causing H,” Meghan said via text in August 2018, using her pet name for Prince Harry. “Even after a week with his dad [Prince Charles] and endlessly explaining the situation, his family seem to forget the context — and revert to ‘can’t she just go and see him and make this stop?’ They fundamentally don’t understand so at least by writing H will be able to say to his family… ‘She wrote him a letter and he is still doing it.’ By taking this form of action I protect my husband from this constant berating, and while unlikely perhaps it will give my father a moment to pause.'”
(The palace had not responded to PEOPLE’s request for comment at time of publication.)
Meghan added in the text, “Obviously everything I have drafted is with the understanding that it could be leaked so I have been meticulous in my word choice.” She also discussed handwriting the letter with few paragraph breaks and numbered pages so it couldn’t be easily manipulated.
Meghan, now 40, also discussed the decision to pen the handwritten note to “Daddy.”
“Given I’ve only ever called him daddy it makes sense to open as such (despite him being less than paternal), and in the unfortunate event that it leaked it would pull at the heartstrings,” she wrote.
Basically, in 2018, Meghan told Jason that she felt she had to at least try to proactively deal with Thomas Markle via a handwritten letter because, at the time, Toxic Tom was blanketing the UK media with his weekly unhinged tantrums (tantrums which I still believe were scripts written by Piers Morgan or someone like that). Meghan and Harry likely spent a week or two in Scotland with Charles and Camilla – I can only imagine that they were the ones doing the “berating.” It’s also heartbreaking to hear that they were probably all talking over Meghan or behind her back. God knows they would never address it with her personally. No, they were complaining about Thomas Markle TO HARRY. Berating him.
In Meghan’s 22-page statement, she also said that “members of the Royal Family” suggested that she fly to Mexico to see her father in person, and that she flatly refused. Of course, because that’s a terrible idea. Meghan saw that too, and she knew there was a good chance that if she did meet with Toxic Tom in person, she would be ripped to shreds even further. Meghan describes herself as “eager to please” the Windsors because she had (at that point) only recently married Harry.
Jason Knauf himself saying Meghan tried to contact her father while he was in the hospital but he stopped communication. 🔥
This is one of the text messages released today after Jason failed to mention them in full in his witness statement.
Meghan is in black, Jason in grey pic.twitter.com/SdeXLVaTep
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What a vile wicked man. I hope JK and all of those horrible people get what they deserve. Praying for the Sussex family that they’ll remain strong and their love will continue to shield them.
It says a lot that you allow your aide to break his NDA AND TESTIFY against your brother’s wife. Willileaks of Karenton palace may not have thought this through. JK will surely turn against him as the press he is in hock to surely would in a few years’ time. The unholy alliance will fall apart as someone ALWAYS talks.
Again no fan of MM but this will likely lead to fallout down the line for the RF. Not so much MM because she’s left. It is short sighted of the RF to hit out at MM now. I’m guessing to try and discourage her/ H from further interviews/ books but IMO this has more potential to back fore on them. I see at this point unless she’s foolish MM will stop talking about RF and H I doubt will say much more that’s very negative. Plus pushback hasn’t been effective against these 2 yet so why keep on when you are harming yourself. The RF needs better advice, or listen to better advisors and concentrate on building themselves up rather then undercutting/ criticizing MM/ H who are outsiders now. Times are changing, when the queen passes, the RF if they want to remain need to focus on positive updates for themselves. It’s like divorced people going on and on about their exes and you are thinking get over it and move on.
Harry did more of the talking about his family than Meghan did. He specifically spoke about his father cutting them off and not returning calls. They left together, but it seems that they are not being left alone by the media. And they got the same negative comments even before the interview with Oprah. The royals should have really done something from the get go. The negativity started on DM and social media when they started Dating, as I recall. Piers and others perhaps should just be discouraged from the endless negativity about them. I know Charles had a PR team for Camilla that cut the negativity. What sort of father just watches his son and his family get all the negativity. There should be some sort of a protective instinct.
@GK you just HAD to put in there how you “are no fan of MM”, eh? Y’all just can’t help yourselves. 🙄
@GK – “If Meghan is foolish”?! She is anything but. It’s William, Kate, JK, Charles, et al who are foolish. The more they try to muddy the waters the stupider they look. Meghan is whip smart and I’ve no doubt she and Harry have LOADS of information that they will gladly share should the MoS, etc. keep this bullshite up. They’re both playing the long game and carrying on with their new life and babies with astonishing success, charity, diplomacy and grace. The others? They’re a scheming, sleazy bunch of bald-faced liars and all of their rancid behaviour will catch up to them.
@ GK, the only part that you are right about is what happens once TQ passes. Everything else you wrote is pure bollocks. You have no idea how smart Meghan is and for you to suggest otherwise, proves your own insecurities. Meghan hasn’t discussed the RF since her interview with Oprah, so again you are putting stories out there that are none existent, so please stop trying to creating lies that are NOT there! You are nothing but a troll hoping to spread your hatred, well not here and not today. Be gone!!
I’m a big fan of MM! GK said “unless MM is foolish” and did not say MM is. GK did say that the RF’s strategy will lead to fallout, the RF is shortsighted and this will backfire on them. GK also said the RF’s strategy hasn’t been effective and they haven’t learned from it, they have been given bad advice, and times are changing and the RF isn’t changing with it. I’d like to give GK credit for blaming the RF for it’s behavior, when so many people who aren’t fans are blaming MM for it.
Thanks @Janice Hill for pointing that out. I think @GK was making the point that you don’t have to be a fan of Meghan to see that what the royals are doing is likely to backfire on them.
Too often those who dislike Meghan will twist anything into a negative light, and at the same time, her fans will twist everything positively. There are those who don’t hate her but also aren’t fans, and perhaps because they’re not invested, are more able to remain objective.
I think the point is that watching all this unfold and still making a point to say you’re not a fan is a little odd but that’s just me. If it’s clear this is how she’s been treated I don’t really get what there is to dislike about her behavior.
Now if they mean they don’t normally follow her, that’s another thing.
@Gk you sound like one of those troll bots Bot Sentinel was talking about.
It’s obvious that Meghan believed that communications between her & this snake were confidential. She even mentions that words. Also, when you read what he said in reply to her she comes across as straightforward and a good daughter doing her best. Very unfair to leave his part of it out, as was done earlier this week.
@GK, I read an article about stupid people, which the royals keeps demonstrating they are.
Smart people: do things that benefit themselves and others.
Emotional people: do things that benefit others but not themselves.
Users: do things to benefit themselves and no one else.
STUPID PEOPLE (Salty Isle): do things that do not benefit THEMSELVES nor others.
You may not like MM, but she’s not stupid. The people trying to take her down are truly morons whose White Savior complex makes them incapable of recognizing their own stupidity. They cannot conceptualize a situation where she is classy, wise, and superior. She doesn’t HAVE to try like stupid people. She is authentically what you see. If she wasn’t, Harry wouldn’t have left.
If Charles was so concerned, rather than berating Harry, he could have picked up the phone to Thomas and one word from him will have put paid to all the nonsense. Now we know why he nicknamed Meghan Tungsten. She will neither bend nor break. As awful as Andrew is, he has proven to be a much better father than Charles, who only seemed to protect Camilla.
IDK, I kind of suspect BP or CH paid Markle in order to embarrass Harry and get him to cancel the wedding.
Let’s not forget Toxic Tom’s words:
“…they OWE me…” and “…the point was to break up the wedding…”
SOMEONE promised him a payout. I always thought that worm Pus Morgan was running point, due to his butt-hurt over Meghan dropping him like a hot pan after Harry told her who he was. But it’s practically spelled out in neon that it was Harry’s family, KP AND CH, that were constantly shoveling the shit TO the tabs.
Poor Meghan, they ARE the family she ALWAYS had (referencing H’s quote, before he knew just HOW awful and hateful his family truly are, and that he means nothing to them as a person in his own right).
So I’m a little confused over the timeline of everything TM has said bc it’s all such a mess. But at one point he was calling the royal family a cult and that’s why they were pressing Meghan to speak with him? And in his latest interview with DW, he was saying how much he loves the RF, minus his daughter and her husband? It doesn’t take a genius to know something besides a letter has happened to make him go from calling the family a cult to loving them. And that’s not even including other interviews when he’s said the RF owes him and he was trying to break up the wedding. It’s wild that this is all out there in the public domain and american media outlets keep copying, pasting, and repeating the British tabloid stories as truth. Shame on them.
Exactly. This information which Toxic Tom blurted out on Australian TV has somehow mysteriously disappeared. I still cannot believe how stupidly the Windsors have handled this.
Thomas Markle is under William’s payroll. No doubt. He doesn’t love his daughter. He only loves the money she brings to him via his constant trashing of her in the media. He only has to open his mouth to trash talk her and he gets paid by thousands of dollars. William is the mastermind.
The palace think we are stupid, but this has been obvious since Harry and Meghan revealed to the public the full horror of their treatment by the royals in the Oprah interview.
It was very apparent then they’d go to any length to destroy this couple, including risking their lives.
It’s very clear they are the ones behind Thomas Markle’s behavior. (Frankly the man is too stupid and narcissistic to do all this himself. Narcissists lose interest if their target is not responding and move on to something else the feeds their ego.)
The palaces are the reason that random scumbag had the gall to parade all over the press attacking 2 senior British royals . Because he had the protection of being dispatched specifically to do so.
It’s like all the vile tactics pulled on Diana 2.0.
Does Charles not have a protective instinct that should be natural for a parent. Diana probably would have fought for Harry and Meghan. Charles is more “establishment” wanting to side with the heir and not just simply thinking and acting like a parent.
It seems the only one with a protective instinct is Elizabeth and then only for Andy.
@Elizabeth Regina, you are right: Andrew is a better father than Charles could every be. Andrew is very protective of his daughters & made sure they got the titles he believed they rightly deserved.
And he only protects Camilla to save his own arse. He needs her uplifted to help remove the affair and di abuse stain. Tampon wants us to think its a great love, destined to be together blah blah. Charles was banging several “friends” all while seeing cammy.
Reading these text messages is really upsetting. I go back and forth being frustrated because I feel that Megan is way too nice. She tried too hard with this family. She tried too hard to submit herself to them and to do things their way. I know she ultimately ended up leaving. But I’m just upset that she tried so hard for so long. It is very clear that the Royal family never really liked her. And they tried to hurt her from the very beginning. I also get mad at Harry who seemed to never really understand and realize how abusive his family was. I wish he had been clear on that and when he married Megan they would never have been members of the working royal family.
They subjected her to a death by a thousand cuts. She was getting it in the neck from the press, that family, her family, the government and establishment as well as weaponised sections of the public. I think the Sussexes are at a happier place now, while those left behind look miserable as sin. Once the queen goes, which is likely to be sooner rather than later, the struggle for power will be epic.
Agree with everything you’ve said.
They protected that family in the Oprah interview. Saying she was welcomed. Sis, how could you have been welcomed when they were saying they can’t afford to look after you, and you should keep working? When no one else had ever been asked that?!?! I wish she’d taken that deal. Sigh!
That family will ever know peace, in this life or the next.
If you go back to the Oprah interview Meghan said they were welcoming & Harry said that things went better than he thought when he first introduced Meghan. Let’s also remember with Sussexit that it’s been made clear they always wanted Harry back.
So my guess is that not wanting to lose Harry the firm mostly played along that they were happy with the relationship whilst making ‘helpful’ suggestions to Harry alone that Meghan keep on her acting career because giving it all up might be too hard an adjustment. They probably used the same excuse about “slimmed down monarchy means no title for Archie” as reason why there might be ‘no money for her’. Im sure some of these conversations only stood out to Harry in hindsight after the firm’s real position on Meghan became clear.
Also in the background of their engagement was Elizabeth lobbying for Charles to be the next head of the commonwealth. Looking back I’m not surprised if that’s part of why the press made such a big deal about Meghan spending Christmas with the family, as if Sophie didn’t go on holidays with them pre marriage. So I can imagine the family being generally nice to Meghan until after she married in in as being seen being accepted was helpful for Charles.
But whilst the firm was openly appearing to be accepting (and to be fair some might have been genuine eg Meghan said Elizabeth has always been wonderful to her), just like Jason pretending to be all nice& helpful to Meghan in these texts whilst he is almost certainly the leaker of things like Meghan’s early am emails, duchess difficult etc, the firm was probably plotting for Meghan’s exit- for her to be the degree wife who returned to America after a few short years. Did you see part about auto delete of her text messages being installed in 2016? Seeing as it didn’t seem to apply to Jason, Why do I feel this was to ensure Meghan didn’t have evidence of firm’s treatment.
Tom Bradby said that there were things said/done around the wedding that couldn’t be taken back. My guess is that William did initially just try and tell Harry to slow down the relationship & tried to recruit others like Earl Spencer on the same message. However by time Harry& Meghan were engaged is when the conversations got blunter& Harry was approached about what will your kids with her look like & how will that look for the royal family. By then it was too late for H&M because they’ve already announced to the world about their engagement & wanting to be working royal. I think Harry might have hoped prejudice towards Meghan could be overcome if the firm saw how well Meghan did the job. Instead she did it too well during the Oceana tour & the firm had jealousy AND racism for wanting Meghan gone.
I would bet Harry has been gaslit like hell his entire life including about the firm’s treatment of Diana so wouldn’t be surprised if seeing them treatment of Meghan opened his eyes to what they are really like. It really is pretty unprecedented for a royal to be thrown to the wolves the way meghan has been so I don’t think he could have anticipated this. Given William’s own hatred for the press I doubt Harry would have anticipated he would use them against his spouse either.
I wonder if William has been berated over Gary Goldsmith’s comments about Elizabeth & Charles needing to step aside for William. lol doubt it somehow.
Meghan seems very polite and eager to please in these messages. So makes me doubt those bullying allegations even more & believe Meghan when she said on Oprah she was naive & trusted them.
@ABritGuest — hear, hear! You’ve hit every point on its head nicely.
@ABRITGUEST I think you are 100% spot on. Back in 2017/8 Clarence House’s PR tried very hard to make it seem like Charles and Camilla were accepting of Meghan and whehter we like to admit it or not they had a lot of us fooled. We all remember how he walked her down aisle and apparently suggested the Kingdom Choir because it was reiterated many times near his 70th birthday including in thay Charles at 70 doc where Camilla was all “people were surprised to see how kind Charles was to Doria taking her arm at the wedding but that is who he is”. There were also stories about how he found her intelligent and bonded with her. They laid it on very thick probably to make an easier for him to be head of the CW and I think while he also did the same thing to Meghan privately she probably also realized that she could help him with the CW and saw him as an ally.
As she said in the Oprah interview: she offered up herself to them to work and do whatever. Do yall remember that H&Ms first engagement post wedding was a garden party celebrating Charles just a couple days after the wedding or how Meghan wore a bag that was part of a collection supporting the Princes Trust? She tried so hard to be supportive of Charles in a way that honestly Kate never seemed to probably thinking that he actually liked her and appreciated her efforts to be a team player and support him. As Harry said in the Oprah interview most of the family save probably William and Kate pretended to be supportive but after the Oceana tour the cracks started showing and the jealousy and coldness that they also showed Diana came through. I can’t imagine how horrific it must have been for H&M to realize what was really happening but it explains why Meghan said her only regret was believing they would protect her. You can see from these texts that she actually did believe that Jason had her back which is why she was hesitant to believe the initial warnings from her friends that they weren’t protecting her. My heart breaks for her truly. I cant imagine dealing with a betrayal like this and especially in front of the entire world. And as far as Harry goes: he’s made some mistakes but he’s been neglected,gaslighted, and abused while essentially living in a cult his entire life so I think some empathy and understanding should be shown to him.
The negativity after the marriage I think started with the garden party where the critics of the Sussexes “reported” Charles asked them to leave. And this propaganda was spread on YouTube and social media. Charles then should have doubled down on being seen with them, being cordial, inviting them on tours with himself and Camilla. He did not. Something like that would have nipped the false rumors in the bud.
@ ABritGuest, well said!! Your analysis is spot on!!! Thank you!!!
How was Harry to know that? He probably had no clue just HOW vile they were. Diana herself said that the RF was nice when she was engaged to Charles but cruel once she married in. Look at how Kate was handled with kid gloves. Maybe he thought they leaned their lesson. I know you want someone to blame but blame them not Harry. He got her out.
Yeah, Harry is not to blame in this at all.
Not to mention H’s whole life was being the scapegoat so he thought that was normal until he saw it being done to his wife and child.
Harry, like so many abuse survivors, tried to minimize his family’s words and actions for the sake of his own sanity. If he had taken all their emotional abuse and scapegoating to heart, I doubt he’d be the thoughtful and compassionate man he is today. He made a mistake in continuing to use that coping method (at least at first) when they started to go after his wife and son, but he’s doing all the right things now. I’m sure Meghan knows his heart.
I’ve been feeling this way since the Oprah interview. I couldn’t believe Meghan had been so naive and dismissive of all the blindingly red flags. And I also couldn’t believe that Harry would have her marry in so unprepared. Bc the subtext of a lot they revealed was that he withheld information about how depraved his family really was/is. I know they were in love and that there’s no way he could’ve known how far the family would go to fulfill the invisible contract. But yeah, their relationship is no fairytale. And I’m sad that Meghan will likely have to endure this abuse for many years to come, if not forever.
I really don’t think this is fair. Born and bred aristos who grew up on the outskirts of the system like Diana did struggled with the monarchy yet people expected the American actress living in Toronto to know what she was getting into? I know there’s a lot more information about how “The Firm” works in 2016/2017 compared to 1980 but honestly is there anything that could really prepare you for it?
And it’s really easy for us to say “red flags were everywhere” and she was never going to be accepted but that’s because we have the benefit of hindsight. Absolutely nobody in 2018 thought it would get to this in 2021. People predicted it wasn’t going to be easy (which Meghan admitted herself in the SA tour doc) but not… this.
So can we try to stop saying “Meghan was naive and Harry was terrible for not warning her” because it puts the blame of the firm’s issues onto the individual instead of the system and people who uphold said issues. The monarchy shouldn’t be like this.
The thing is there is nothing she could have done to prepare for this. At being a Duchess, Meghan was spectacular. She completely captivated the crowd and received a great reception from her tours. The bts moments are driven by racism, sexism and misogyny – how can you prepare for that? Harry clearly had on blinders for his family. It must have come as a shock to him. He probably only now realises the full extent they treated his mom.
It’s very easy to say Meghan and Harry were naïve after everything is said and done AND we don’t really know ALL the facts.
I agree this is an unfair take. Harry’s upbringing was NOT normal in the slightest. He has been groomed to accept that this was his lot in life — to play second fiddle, to take the brunt of everything for the sake of his brother, who is supposedly “better” and “more important” than him in every way. What he has endured is psychological abuse. Period. I truly believe he never fully understood the depravity of his family dynamic until his eyes were opened by it being done to the woman he loved. It happened to his mother but he was a young child who simply didn’t have the capacity to understand what was happening at that time. What’s the saying — hindsight is 20/20???? And it’s psychology 101 that you can’t analyze yourself — it takes outside forces to turn the lights on and show you in the mirror what’s really going on. Clearly he’s undergone a lot of therapy to get to the point where he is now…the result of truly seeing who and what his family is is what has transpired — he picked up his family, who have given him the only true love he’s had since his mother, and got them the F out to peace and safety.
Harry was likely in denial about some things re: his family, but in reality, he wouldn’t have seen what’s gone on the past few years, because none of his previous relationships were a threat to the order in the way his relationship with Meghan was – none were serious enough for marriage, and his previous SO were nowhere near as accomplished as Meghan. And this is even without the overlay of Meghan being biracial…
IMO, everything begins with William, and the twisted, dysfunctional attitude he has towards his brother. His envy and jealousy, his anger. Harry and Meghan together blew up Will’s plans for the future, where Harry as third wheel (with the later addition of his own bland Kate) would continue to do work that Will took credit for. Will began to see that wouldn’t fly with Meghan there, that he was losing control of Harry. And more personally, Harry was with an accomplished, beautiful woman he adored, something Will never had with Kate.
And because Will had always been allowed to slack off, never taught to invest time and energy in anything (still has no discernible interests besides football and cheating), is temperamental and abrasive, and now almost 40 – and because the Firm is well aware of how mediocre he is as future heir – Harry and Meghan became everyone’s problem. It’s hard to know how much of a role William (and JK) played, vs courtiers and family members, in trying to derail their marriage, then deny the request to be half in and half out, but TQ and Charles did nothing to stop it. (And we know Charles threw in a few punches of his own at the very end).
On top of this, is the jealousy other members of the family still have (looking at you Charles, and you Kate) if someone else gets public attention. It’s shocking how little the RF learned from the experience with Diana.
I think the same thing would – ultimately – have happened even if Meghan had been the stereotypical English Rose (again see: Diana), because William’s core problem is with Harry. It might have taken a little longer. That Meghan is biracial though, gave everyone an early excuse to let their racist flag fly, look down on her, assume their own superiority over an obviously talented woman, and weaponize those attitudes to publicly tear her down with the enthusiastic cooperation of the media.
I give Harry huge credit for ultimately realizing all of this and getting himself and his family out of there as quickly as he did. Six months before their second anniversary (last year) they were already living in Canada.
Agree that Meghan may have *sounded* naive to the uninitiated during the Oprah interview. My startled reaction watching it was that she seemed awfully breezy when she said “oh, I didn’t do any research on them.” (Paraphrasing).
But my immediate next response was “What ‘research’ could she possibly have done?” It’s not like you can Google “the royal family” and get a user’s guide, or the real story. She could have read some unauthorized bios, I guess, but she’s been celebrity-adjacent most of her life and she would have known better than most that you can’t take those things as truth. She would also have known better than most that generally celebrities are in fact real people and it’s better to approach them as such rather than go in with preconceived caricaturic notions about who they are. In retrospect this was a mistake, but she couldn’t possibly have known it then. (Also remember by this point she’d had direct experience with one senior royal, who differed from his public portrayal enough that she decided to marry him!)
I think the only thing Harry could have possibly known to warn her about at that point was that the tabloids can be a-holes. Her friends did too. But, again at that point, there was no precedent for the maniacal fury that was later released upon her.
I don’t think he “withheld information,” I think he really didn’t know, or didn’t understand the extent of it. He saw how, post engagement and marriage, the Firm protected Kate in the press and shot down negative stories – the worst thing that has really been published about her over the last 10 years is that she’s lazy, and well…..you can’t really deny that. I think Harry genuinely thought the Firm would do the same for Meghan.
Don’t agree with your take on Harry; that was his reality. That was his normal. Until you’re out of an abusive relationship, you don’t always realize how abusive it was. When you’re in it, you’re trying to survive.
I think even Harry was shocked at how awful his family turned out to be .
Harry welcomed Kate to the family but she “repaid” this by causing trouble for Meghan.
I’m sure Harry is immune at this point, this gem comes from 2018. If one wants to see how KP worked this, they have only to look back at the CB archives. It has been a coordinated, idiotic campaign, and the British media have hopped to, like loyal soldiers whose taxes go to the royal family. Honestly, Shakespeare is rolling over in his grave, wishing he still has opposable thumbs.
https://www.celebitchy.com/603127/why_was_the_social_media_around_duchess_megs_bfa_appearance_so_shady/
Some of you need to take a step back. Blaming the victims for their abuse is not it! Harry and Meghan are REAL PEOPLE with REAL emotions. They are in a fight for their freaking lives. We only get to see a small portion of what they’ve actually lived through. It’s easy for us on the outside to say they should have done this or that..but unless you’ve lived it you have no idea. A lot of people have their own family issues and they can be hard to navigate/see clearly/fight for yourself and that’s without being constantly attacked from media, haters, and family on the WORLD STAGE!
So instead of blaming Harry or Meghan send them well wishes, prayers, strength and love because I’m sure this is not easy. I’ve never seen anything like this.
And let’s not forget it was Meghan who identified Harry’s mental health issues pretty soon after they got together and urged him to get therapy. I think Harry had internalized so much awful stuff throughout his life that he was acting out in other ways to deal with the pain. I’m sure Harry had some “Pandora’s Box” moments when he came face to face with his issues and had to learn to work through and learn ways to manage them. That was probably the light-bulb moment where it hit him in the face that his family caused his problems and was now turning on Meghan. He finally got the courage to speak up against the tabloids coming after her and thus started the war between them, BP, KP and CH with William and Charles as ring-leaders.
@ Polo, thank you!! You are absolutely right!! We have never seen a marriage play out like this on anyone!! We all need to send Meghan and Harry the very best thoughts, well wishes, prayers, strength, send loving thoughts and happiness!! No one should have to endure this abuse for so long. Send your wishes into the skies so that they will fly to the heavens!
The personal correspondence- exactly this. Notice that Meghan requests that he not share her letter with Sam “as she’d previously requested.” Which asserts the boundary AND the fact that she’s told him this before.
You KNOW that Meghan has a treasure trove full of CYA emails and messages with these kinds of little tidbits in them. The Royal family (in all their HR and PR ineptitude) DO NOT want more of these kinds of messages to be released.
I don’t fault Harry. I cannot begin to imagine how hard it is to reconcile that your only remaining family after losing your mother tragically in childhood is actually toxic and evil and don’t seem to truly love you. Something he probably did not understand in full until he saw the utterly brutal way they began to treat him when he brought his wife into the fold and the truths were unmasked. The meticulously crafted veils of the Windsor’s finally came off in front of him fully.
That blow must have been absolutely crushing to him. It’s such an impossibly traumatic scenario.
Harry lost all his birth family basically. Through his mother’s death then through the treachery by the rest of them against him and his wife.
Fortunately, through his bravery in standing up for himself and his wife he has been rewarded with a new truly loving and lovely little family of his own after all of that tumult.
Simone this is what I just cannot understand. The RF should have been beyond happy and relieved at the route H&M took (jealousy of their success aside for a moment). They COULD HAVE each written a trilogy of tell-alls, laying bare every awful thing the family did to them, including “never before seen!!” personal, BTS photos, and promoted these books (which wouldn’t even need promotion) with a few accompanying (paid) interviews. They could have released all of this correspondence separately in book form as a stand-alone and it would have been an instant bestseller. They could then sit back and relax, bathing in their millions of dollars. Not only would they get incredibly $ advances, but books like theirs would sell faster than they could print them, and they’d receive residuals/royalties for the rest of their lives. Meghan still receives the syndication $ from Suits, and they could do only paid interviews going forward, which would make them a mint. (The one they did with Oprah was unpaid in case anyone here didn’t know.)
Then they could just be socialites, go to parties and premieres, and pose for photos like the ones in Meghan in the red dress the other night. Or, alternatively, retreat into total privacy. They do not have to be philanthropists, they’ve chosen to be. They did not need to put themselves out there at all in this way. Their tell-alls would do all of the talking for them. They did not have to form a foundation or continue to publicly fight for causes that are important to them. They chose and continue to choose to take the high road and protect the RF, even during Oprah. They only released these texts when the BRF backed them into a corner. For the love of god, they could make millions just by setting up pap strolls with them simply walking the kids down the street in a double stroller for two minutes! If they wanted to sell the first photos of Lilibet to People magazine like Brangelina did, it would probably break records for the amount they’d be paid. (Incidentally, Brangelina allegedly donated all of the proceeds to charity, and Angelina continues to be taken seriously as a philanthropist and advocate.)
They would be set for life and could do nothing but hobnob with other elites in California. And many people wouldn’t have blamed them one bit after what they’d endured. Lots of people would be thrilled to see someone from within the RF finally tell some truths. And most other people WOULD HAVE taken this route after being beaten down so hard for so many years by the RF, the BM, etc., especially knowing the family was behind it the entire time, then going out in public and acting as innocent as newborns.
Not many people have the amounts of strength and integrity that they do. This is who Harry and Meghan are, though. They aren’t petty. They WANT to use their high profiles to advance things which will benefit millions of the less fortunate, even though it continues to make them targets for criticism. They want to try and make the world a better place to the extent they’re able to. Harry adores working with veterans and couldn’t stop if he tried, it’s part of who he is now.
So they need and want to protect their reputations, since right now they’re taken seriously as power players, they’re not viewed as someone like Paris Hilton who just steps out to make $ and then goes back to partying and doing whatever else she does. How is it that the family cannot see this, and be so so thankful? They continue to go after them, when they KNOW how many receipts the Sussexes have. WTAF is wrong with them?
Wow…I hope karma surely comes for Charles, William, Kate and Camilla (who I am sure is completely involved too).
And don’t forget Meghan’s family and the MIddletons!
My sister must love that man…
I think he’s worth it. So far, he’s behaved honourably.
I think he’s worth it too! Theirs is a love story for the ages.
We say this about Meghan all the time, but Harry is also the epitome of “risked it all for love.” We know he would give up his titles, dukedom, all of it tomorrow if it meant it would stop the madness (but it won’t). He left everything he knew and the deep and profound love that they have for each other is clear as day to us, people who have never met them and don’t even know them. They are truly soulmates. So yes….they are both worth it for the other.
He is definitely worth it. I’m so glad Prince Harry met Mehgan; and I’m thankful for her unconditionally loving him. May Duchess Meghan, Prince Harry, Archie, Lilibeth and Doria be happy. May they be safe and be free from pain and suffering.
Meghan could see that he was being treated very badly by his family, and helped him to stand up to them. Harry has admitted that Meghan has helped him understand how he has been traumatised. This is why they don’t like Meghan she was not prepared to have her husband treated like a doormat.
I would l slap JK, W&K and C&C so hard but sh*t splatters.
My heart hurts reading some of these texts. She was trying so hard to keep the royals happy while trying to maintain her mental health (by not having a relationship with her father). That doesn’t even get into all the other press attacks etc. no wonder she almost broke.
It’s truly heartbreaking. Last time I commented I was disappointed she hadn’t combed through texts and emails, but my good sis really did. These monsters delete her texts every six months? Since before she married? There is no way that Meghan bullied anyone in that system. Not in that kind of environment. Let karma visit every single one of them.
Myra I hope she took screenshots and sent copies of all of them to multiple sources before everything was deleted. She’s smart and thinks ahead so I assume she did, while those idiots thought they were safe by “deleting” them every 6 months 🙄
Megan stated in the Oprah Winfrey interview she told the RF “To use her in anyway that they needed” well they literally used her and tried to destroy her. She had NO idea what she was getting into. If fact I doubt Harry believed his family would treat his wife, his children and ultimately him in such a manner. William is TRASH. The more he attacks them the stronger they will become. I will never forget when asked about having a new nephew his response to the media was “I already have one.” That dumb ass has only ONE blood nephew and that is Archie. He refused to acknowledge the birth of his ONLY brother’s son. At the time that spoke volumes on what Baldy’s relationship was with Harry and the level of HATE he had for his brother. The world will watch POS Charles and TRASHY William drive that GARBAGE family into the ground. Once The Queen has passed they have NOTHING. The world isn’t interested in Charles and his side piece or Baldy and KopyKate. Mark my words they are DOOMED! The American media will eventually cover this story with the full truth laid bare….it want be nice for that GARBAGE Family when it’s done nor for the NASTY British Media.
William knows Harry was the key to his popularity. William is a wastrel. He has no passion, no drive, and no ambition. He’s so bland and daft that none of the aristos wanted to marry him. Kate was used to manipulate him and keep the monarchy interesting and make him seem accessible vs so loathsome no girl of his class wanted him. Harry did the work, Harry was able to command a room and respect. Will has never had that ability. Look at shit26 and earthshit, no one of note took him seriously or even engaged in conversation with him. He can’t be trusted to do any soft diplomacy and he’s so ignorant and arrogant that he turns people off. His failings are now highlighted bc Harry is being taken seriously outside of the royal family and maintains serious relationships with influential people. This new set of attacks is because PWT is such a failure he needs something to hide it and to punish Harry for continuing to be better but not prop him up. Jk had better run bc his emails and texts make KP look guilty af and supports MM case. Wills need for petty revenge is sinking the monarchy. Oh and Charles is a weak and spoiled petty wimp.
I can only conclude that JK has a very big stake in William’s reign, and he’s protecting that stake at all costs. Nothing else makes sense.
Also wonder if William has something on JK? He’s a full on snake but I’m curious how he got there. Did William say double-agent and he jumped at getting his James Bond on? At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter bc he has given into the dark side.
JK desperately wants to be William’s man in gray, the man behind the king. His “resignation” is as real as the first 3 times Michael Fawcett resigned from Charles’ service, that is to say solely for show.
I also firmly believe that, rules and parliament be damned, William fully intends to be the next monarch, and all Jason’s machinations have been in service to that. I’m not saying it’s actually realistic, but in William’s narcissistic mind there’s no WAY he’s waiting for decades like his pathetic father has done. He fully believes he is the best thing for Britain, and JK believes it too.
William doesn’t want to be King. He never did. William is unhappy and miserable. He HATES Harry for leaving him to carry the weight of that misery. All that you see from William is driven by HATE, FEAR and MISERY. His life is planned out for him. He knows the script and he doesn’t like it and there is NOTHING he can do about it. Meanwhile his brother has found a way out and it is eating him up from the depths of his soul. Everything we have seen from William proves this point. If he wanted to be King he wouldn’t give a rats ass what Harry and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex did in the USA. He would wish them well and move on with his life. He would focus on his pretend Kingdome. Instead he spends every waking minute thinking about destroying Harry.
That was my thought when you mentioned this yesterday, about the possibility of JK as Will’s own man in gray. The H&M saga is getting long in the tooth, two years since they moved to Canada. He’s gone and not coming back. What might Will focus his energies on next? Charles should watch his back…though I’m sure he knows that already.
He wants a knighthood or being named something like life peer by William when king.
Full stop.
It’s transparent as Carole Middleton’s desire to be the great influential gran of the king George.
I have known since I was a child that people will be cruel and hateful towards other people but it still hurts my heart.
Jason Knauf was so obsessed with positive reporting about his principals but because he was so bad at his job he went about it the wrong way. Instead of promoting the good works of his employers he felt that books written by Royal reporters and commentators were an easy way to do that. Hence his eagerness to work with Omid and Carolyn and him forcing Harry to sit down with Angela Levin.
The Royal Family are interested in projecting a good image and have no concern for the wellbeing of its members. Harry and Meghan had no choice but to leave because things were only going to get worse.
Jason Knauf is William pawn. He doesn’t make a move without William’s approval. If you think for a second a member of William’s staff decides to turn against his brother without William’s approval FIRST….you miss the point. Don’t blame Knauf….William is the villain….PERIOD
I mean, we can still lay some of the blame on Knauf, but yeah, Wills is in this up to his eyeballs.
Headline:PR flack outed as raging LIAR.
Shocking!
JK will follow the footsteps of Charles’ (former) money-for-access man because the Windsors have hoarded so much money and influence that career professionals end up self-immolating. All of which begs the following questions:
*Why does the monarchy continue to exist?
*Why does British public tolerate it?
*When will the tolerance end?
Kensington Palace spin doctor intentionally misleads the court!
He had texts which vindicated Meghan and that slimy weasel released a witness statement stating the opposite? I hope they put him under the jail.
Jason was only terrible at his job if his job was actually to help Meghan & Harry. If his job was to sabotage the wedding, to gaslight Meghan & to see her hounded nearly to death by the press, then he did exactly what he was expected to do.
Jason was the infiltrator planted by William at the onset in the Sussexes’ camp to spy for him. He, on William’s behalf, is the source of the leaks to the press. These leaks are all sanctioned by his employer William. He and William are traitors. But William is the bigger traitor for masterminding to double-cross his own brother and his brother’s wife. And the Royal Family love to talk about family unity and harmony. Empty words. That family is a cesspit. The Other Brother is Judas incarnate.
This appeal has proven that Jason Knauf was the main person behind the leaks against Harry and Meghan. There were others but he was the top one.
Do not underestimate the influence that Charles had in this. This was sanctioned by him.
Leaking this puts Meghan in a more sympathetic light. TM and the RF look terrible.
This was not leaked, JK only showed part of the Texts, Meghan’s lawyers asked him to release the full Texts to the court, that’s why it’s blowing up in their faces.
Do they think the judges in this court are stupid? They now have all the time they want to take to analyze every incomplete and out of context text and email Jason has handed over for the real truth and real motive. I wonder how much trouble Jason can get in from the courts for trying to mislead them with out of context or incomplete evidence. It would be such sweet karma for Jason to be sanctioned for wasting the court’s time.
Charles never learned anything after Diana. Chickens are coming home to roost. I hope they do a 24 hr Jubilee with no public events whatsoever and definitely leave the kids in US. You can tell how bad things are with this family, they rolled out the Duke of Kent fo a balcony at the Remembrance. He is old and tired. What happened to slimmed down monarchy? Kate looks like a mess with a smirky face.
@Chica to make things worse, the queen is not exactly getting the sympathy they thought she might. Yes people are sorry that she is ill but a lot of people are not as concerned as the RF may be led to believe. There is serious trouble on the horizon for that family.
The only good thing about this appeal is that it gets more of Meghan’s truth out there. She doesn’t trust Omid or wanted to contribute to FF, tiara gate never happened, Jason admitted that Meghan tried everything to reach out to Thomas and he wasn’t picking up, plus Jason pretty much confirmed that Thomas didn’t have a heart attack. Also, the emails show how professional and kind she is, that she is not a bully.
@Ginger said:
“She doesn’t trust Omid or wanted to contribute to FF…”
First of all, the book has nothing to do with the case. I’m not sure why it was allowed for the book to be brought into the case by the MoS/ DF. In his summary judgment, Judge Warby pointed out that the argument surrounding using the book is baseless.
Also, I would be careful about stating who Meghan trusts or doesn’t trust. I personally would rely on factual occurrences and actions by M&H to guide my thinking on who they may feel are decent and fair journalists. We have evidence that M&H gave Omid info that they relied on him to fairly report, in order to debunk tabloid falsehoods against them when they were working senior royals.
Case in point: the 2019 Times article about Will wanting to exile M&H to Africa. Omid wrote an article for Harper’s Bazaar in which M&H were quoted as saying that they only depended upon Charles and the Queen for guidance and advice. That was a direct rebuke by the Sussexes against William’s machinations and betrayals.
There are other examples of articles written by Omid in which he fairly reported on the Sussexes. For Meghan’s final event as a royal at BP, she invited only 3 British reporters to cover the gathering: Victoria Murphy, Omid Scobie, and Byrony Gordon of The Telegraph. For people paying attention, it is because Harry has a good relationship with Byrony, that The Telegraph was not included on the list of tabloids M&H would no longer engage with after they left.
Omid wrote a heartfelt article for HB about Meg’s final event. No, Omid is not a Sussex ‘mouthpiece’ as trolls and derangers constantly claim. He is someone whom M&H clearly relied on to be fair in his reporting. Can’t people see that DF is trying to attack Meghan and Omid by bringing up the book????
Remember what that reporter said. That if people really knew the truth, they’d be more sympathetic and understanding towards Meghan and Harry?
^^ Exactly @Guest. There’s a lot going on and that has gone on which has not yet been fully revealed.
Meanwhile, as a follow-up regarding the Omid/Durand book, it’s important to understand the chronology and timeline. It was around the time of the 2018 royal wedding that Omid and Durand went to KP to discuss writing a book and they asked for an interview with M&H. KP at this point was receiving numerous requests from the media to interview and to write about M&H.
This would be why Meghan didn’t remember specific details about any initial book-related discussions. There were surely numerous conversations with Knauf about a variety of media requests. Meanwhile, M&H were NOT interested in anybody writing about them or interviewing them. They were newlyweds intent on trying to conceive a baby, starting a new life, and dealing with fcuksh*t from both of their families, from the firm, and from the tabloids.
Keep in mind too that when the book was announced in 2020, Omid explained how it came about and that they’d been working on it since 2018, and that since Sussexit, the focus of the book had changed. The title had not even been decided at that point. Omid also made it clear that the book was not sanctioned by M&H and that M&H had no direct involvement, but no one seemed to believe him. Also, in 2018, no one could predict what was going to happen in January 2020.
After M&H left Salty Isle, I think the book publisher clearly wished to capitalize on heightened interest in M&H. The publisher may also have been needlessly worried about future continued public interest in M&H. As a result, Omid and Durand were likely ordered to get the book out asap in 2020, even though they weren’t finished with research or writing. I suspect this is why it reads so poorly and contains bad errors, along with omissions. Still, there are a few interesting details in the book, mostly to do with M&H’s courtship and wedding.
In my opinion, M&H know who their detractors and vicious enemies are. Omid is not close to being against M&H. It’s an aimless distraction to think so.
She seems terribly polite in her messages for someone who is such a bully. (sarc)
Right? It’s amazing how the truth stares the press in the face and yet they refuse to acknowledge it.
My new theory is that they will wait until the week Harry’s book is released to issue their bullying report with some trumped up allegations about Meghan to discredit the book. It will be Oprah 2.0.
I’m genuinely confused because Piers Morgan is reporting that these texts show she lied. I know he’s a hemorrhoid in a bad suit but even for him this feels a stretch? And his followers are all in agreement.
On Twitter there is a man, who lives in Scotland, going IN on me because I’m not upset about H&M’s “denial of my constitutional rights”. Took me awhile to figure out he’s referring to H casually mentioning that what little he knows of the 1st amendment seems crazy. Insert Bethenney Frankle ‘you have to get a hobby’ gif here.
A-hole Piss Morgan is gaslighting as usual.
Piers has only himself to blame for losing his job. Nobody forced him to leave the studio because someone defended Meghan.
Piers Morgan doesn’t give a rats ass about the Royal Family. He’s still licking his wounds because a WOC refused to acknowledge him. He’s in his feelings and he just want let her go. There is something about Meghan because when she ignores white men (father, Piers and William) they go CRAZY! TBH it irritates the HELL out of some white women that she can make white men CRAZY.
Repeat that again, for those across the pond.
I am reminded about she makes him do things. I say to those people, what a woman, to make a grown prince, do what he does not want to do. Ham mercy teach me that trick.
Morgan is furious with Meghan because he lost his lucrative job (with daily TV exposure) because of her. It was his vileness that did him in— discrediting Meghan’s account of racism and suicidal thoughts while she was a senior royal.
I’m just here to comment on the sour faces they all wore in that wedding picture. What a miserable bunch.
Yep and the picture of Kate leaning as far away from Doria as possible.
I mentioned that here a few years ago and got told off for it, so I’m glad that I’m not the only one who saw K leaning away from Doria and was bothered by it.
Worried the brown may rub off on her, I guess. Good lord…the amount of dislike that I have for Kate just grows by the day.
Let’s line that up with the faces she was making during her NYC visit when a black woman told her to get back to work on whatever craft she was making at the engagement. The disrespect on Kate’s face has been captured as a gif.
Don’t forget that gap between TOB and Doria. Very much a racist couple
Look at Katie Keen on the edge of her seat to get as far away from Doria as possible, I see you kkkate. These people are trash.
It’s crazy how this evidence that proves that Meghan cautiously intended for the letter to be private — the whole point of the case — has been twisted to suggest the complete opposite. I need Team Sussex to play more offense in the press. Hopefully it’s enough for the DM to lose the appeal though. Anyway, I can’t imagine the stress and heartbreak she was experiencing during this time. It’s hard to believe that the bad guys will prevail, but history tells us that they will. *sigh*
The truth IS their offense. You’d have to already hate Meghan to read this and conclude that she’s the one who looks bad. I hope her attorneys eviscerate Jason.
Exactly! It might take time but truth eventually wins. I’m proud of the ways Duchess Meghan and Prince Harry are conducting themselves. There is no need to roll around in the mud with the BRF and BM. The rest of the world known where the smell of shit is coming from.
100% You have to be spectacularly stupid to believe that Meghan is the one that looks bad in this situation, after reading these exchanges. Or, a flaming racist and misogynist.
@MariahLee: You’re allowing yourself to be distracted by the tabloid reporting on this case. Nothing Jason Knauf has put forward has proven that the DM was right to publish her letter. Furthermore it was her legal team that gave the court permission to publish her emails and texts to Knauf.
@merricat who is combing through the texts to read the truth? most people have to be spoon fed information, and what they’ve been eating for the last few days is jason and the dm’s twisted narrative. your’re right that the only people actually moved by this were predisposed to hating her anyway tho.
@amy bee I clearly said the evidence should further strengthen her case in court. And idk how you’ve missed this, but the tabloid narrative has been spread mainstream.
Lol, you don’t have to comb through texts to find the truth. The truth is the Sussex defense and offense. The only people who believe the garbage are the readers of the DM, which is a pitifully small audience compared to the global support the Sussexes enjoy.
@Merricat, some of the inaccuracies of these Daily Fail headlines seep into the mainstream. It’s absolutely possible for regular people who don’t follow the royals, and who see M&H as simply ‘celebrities,’ to be misled by vicious headlines.
Even the U.S. mainstream media has gotten things wrong or oversimplified how they cover stories about M&H. Part of this is because most people are busy working and taking care of their own lives, and don’t know much about the British royals. Plus, there’s this idea of the royals as trivia & entertainment, which is a superficial view.
There’s a lot going on in this vicious royal web of deceit and smears that speaks to cultural modalities, and to human history. Fortunately, some of the royal reporters have been exposed as smarmy, opportunistic racists, and so there’s a bit less reliance upon them as talking heads for U.S. network coverage of M&H.
Also, now that M&H are established in the U.S., media outlets can get information directly from them, which is helpful in dispelling some of the nonsense from Salty Isle. But constant diligence in accurately and widely sharing the nasty truths about what M&H have endured, is necessary. So I applaud the work of Bot Sentinel, Byline Investigates, and other truthful, reliable media outlets.
Honestly, much more needs to be done of a serious nature in uncovering and exposing the utter ruthless rapacity of BRF members and of palace operatives. It will take patience, skill and courage to fully investigate and bring to light the unvarnished truths. Maybe it will begin to happen when the Queen passes, which by now needs to occur sooner than later.
There are more emails and texts if you scroll down the twitter thread. Which just makes me ask:
WHY did KP think this a good idea AT ALL to use these texts and emails in the first place?!?!? They MUST have known that Schillings would ask for and submit the correspondence in full, right? And that Jason’s counsel would have to comply?
I am beginning to think that William and Jason decided to take this course of action against the advice of the palace lawyers. This goes beyond invisible contract and yanking on William’s chain. Unless the palace’s legal team is also a complete clownshow (which, given their reputation in going after media outlets for certain things does not seem to be the case) they would have at the very least reviewed the emails/texts and told William and Jason on no uncertain terms that this is a BAD IDEA.
Maybe Jason was moved to the Royal Foundation so the RF’s lawyers would not be able to review his witness statement and prevent him from submitting one at all. Good god, this is such a shitshow. I just cannot conceive of a scenario where the RF attorneys are just like “yeah Jason, go ahead, this is a superb idea,” especially since they would have read Warby’s opinion, stayed up to date with its developments, conducted a rational, legal analysis of the likelihood that the MoS would win on appeal!
Because they are trying to win in the press. This is family that only thinks in terms of how things will be written up about them, not any actual impact they will have. All I could think reading the full texts, seeing the emails, especially the “oh so horrible!” 5am emails, was all of this because you’re too lazy to work harder than a group of septuagenarians and nongenarians.
I will admit that this is the first time I am completely boggled by KP’s line of thinking. I mean, every time KP has done something extraordinarily stupid, I just laughed and found it hilarious. But this, to me, defies all reason. It is so short-sighted, without any real thought to the consequences of these actions.
MEGHAN NAMES CHARLES IN HER TEXT. Do they not understand what that means? It means he’s a material witness to the sequence of events that led to her writing the damn letter in the first place! “In this text, the Duchess expresses concern for Prince Harry because conversations you had with him regarding Mr. Markle. How many times did you speak to Prince Harry on this topic? Why did you and other members of the family consider it the best course of action to send the Duchess to Mexico? Were there alternatives you considered to ameliorate the situation? Were you or your staff ever in communication with Mr. Markle?”
Scobie and Durand would be dragged in and asked point blank if H&M ever sat down with them, phoned them, emailed them with respect to the book. Never mind Meghan’s friends— Knauf has dragged in Samantha Cohen, Elizabeth’s former private secretary! You could argue that Charles isn’t relevant to establishing her privacy claim, but Finding Freedom isn’t relevant to the MoS’s defense either!
Also there’s the whole:
“Mr. Knauf, we have obtained here a copy of the nondisclosure agreement you signed upon employment with the Royal Family. If you could direct your attention to Section I.A, titled “XYZ,” and read for the record clause 1.a(iv).”
[Insert something along the lines of who the NDA applies to, the duration, penalties for breaking the NDA.]
“Now if you could turn to page 70 and look under the heading titled “Conditions of disclosing confidential communications.” Please read for the record.”
[blah]
“So it states there that the only circumstances under which you can release such communications is in criminal proceedings, x, y, or with written permission from individuals a, b, c, or d. Did you receive written permission from one of the individuals on this list?”
If yes: who?
If no: so you voluntarily broke a contract made with the Monarchy to provided these emails and texts. Let’s move to Section Blah, titled Penalties. Mr. Knauf, you were still under the employ of the RF when you voluntarily provided these materials to the Defendant. It states that violation of the NDA will result in the “immediate termination of the employee”
And you guys get the idea.
Ugh I have so many thoughts. I’m not saying that Schillings would succeed in getting Charles on the witness stand, but from my US POV, if MoS wants to go scorched earth, no holds barred, fishing expedition for Meghan’s friends, emails, family— Schillings can do the same with respect to the RF’s communications regarding the letter and the circumstances around it. It might not lead to anything but if you’re gonna open that door to play hardball with Meghan, in my opinion, it allows me to play hardball right back with the MoS connection to the RF. The MoS didn’t include the palace in their defense up until this point. Now, thanks to Knauf, they have!
There’s a point in litigation when the gloves REALLY come off. If this thing goes to trial, I think Meghan will be like “fine. You want to go after my friends and family? Then I’m going to come after yours.”
Also, it was specifically Charles and Harry’s family, NOT aides. Jesus f what a clusterf-ck.
@Lara but this is all coming from William remember, so if Charles is implicated and therefore dragged into the court case then so much the better (in William’s mind). William is literally Regina George papering the halls with the burn book and just waiting for the fighting and hysteria to start.
We also have to remember that it’s not like the RF will be treated like normal people in court. William knows that, if needed, BP/the Queen can step in and prevent the case from going forward (like the Queen did with whats-his-face who was charged with stealing from Diana), but until then he’s given just enough for the tabloids to eviscerate Meghan all over again and condemn her in the court of public opinion, and unfortunately it’s working.
@LaraW, if this JK shit show was sanctioned by the Firm’s attorneys then people should stop attending Ivy League universities. The short summary you wrote here shows you’re a top-notch attorney compared to crew.
@Sunday— I disagree. William is Jason’s boss. Any questions re NDA’s immediately brings William into the picture. Additionally, Meghan says “family,” so in my mind it’s not unreasonable for William to be dragged in on that front: “family” is much more specific than the nebulous group of Meghan’s anonymous “friends.”
This is all me throwing sh-t against the wall, mind. I’m not thinking in terms of actual litigation strategy, just me being angry on Meghan’s behalf and incredulous that Jason (and William) would even open the door to the slightest, most remote possibility that the RF could be dragged into this litigation.
Also I know absolutely nothing with respect to UK civil procedure and how the royals are treated in court, so the things I am talking about might not even be possible.
Please take all my ranting with a huge overflowing cup of salt.
@LaraW – your take on it aligns with mine. Charles isn’t going to be dragged to court over this, but the very fact that we are even mentioning it as a possibility is a huge problem for the royals. and the NDA questions you have are also going to be a huge problem, if Schillings decides to go scorched earth on behalf of Meghan, and at this point I think she might. She and Harry want the royal family to leave them the eff alone, and they need to send a big message to that effect, since nothing else has worked right now.
The idea that an employee of a royal household voluntarily went to a tabloid and offered up confidential communications is a really big effing deal and I think William is going to be very sorry he opened this particular pandora’s box.
So awhile ago they came after Jason for not cooperating with the initial trial. They were all shocked that they lost the case.
I think there was also an exchange of stories….here’s Jason working with us for covering up something bad about William and Kate.
In the last 6 months or so Charles has written for the Daily Mail, Camilla has given them exclusives and Will has gone to the Sun awards. He also had his vacation story pulled/comments deleted.
All this tells me they are completely in the hands of the Daily Mail. Whatever the Daily Mail has on them is enough to have them all on their knees.
But Charles still has his pay for scandal exposed. Maybe the Dail Mail decided not to go as hard on them in exchange for exclusives. IDK but something big enough is brewing for them all to be doing this.
I think we can all guess what the fowl four are hiding.Remeber when Harry said that his location and Meg and Archie were leaked to the press and that there were death threats? Now remember when both Diana and Fergie said that they were threatened? KP is so inept that I bet they accidentally leaked emails detailing how they wanted MM and Archie dead. That type of news would bring back the suspected murder of Charles’ mistress, Kanga, Diana, and some other mishaps to women associated with Phillip. Charles and PWT and keen and cams plotting to have Harry’s family killed would destroy all of their fortunes, no one would want any access. That type of revelation would cause a serious backlash from the commonwealth countries would, and racial uprisings similar to the 1970s in England. The UK can’t manage without the commonwealth and that type of info would also destroy them completely. JK and KP are stupid for opening up the emails and texts and hoping for trial because so far the can of worms is making more and more non-uk outlets despise them and call them out.
@Laraw: I’m with Petra. If I ever get into trouble I’d like to hire you as my attorney, please!
(ETA: I think this showed up in the wrong place, referencing Laraw’s and Petra’s previous comments, not Polo’s above!)
Lol thank you, but I really am talking nonsense because I don’t know the finer mechanics and rules in the UK at all. I’m just reacting with outrage and emotions here. Schillings has Meghan’s back 100%. I’m like that sportscaster who talks about football strategy despite only having played rugby. So please do take everything I say with a giant * after every sentence.
LaraW, I’m a retired paralegal and I wish I had had the opportunity to work with you. We would have had some FUN!
I am really happy this is happening. All of this truly needs to be exposed.
LaineyGossip kind of said exactly what I was thinking – why aren’t more in the media looking into why Jason is talking at all?! He’s still employed by William and Kate – where are they in this little saga? They must’ve known he was going to move forward with this.
Also, as Lainey pointed out, he wasn’t compelled by the court to give over private communications – doesn’t he have an NDA with Harry and Meghan? Seems bizarre he would be allowed to do this…And then it all ends up backfiring when Meghan asked for the full convo to be revealed and a negative bit about Prince Charles is revealed. How did Mr. Future King feel about that? I’m sure he wasn’t thrilled.
Because in this particular instance, it has been extremely beneficial to the media for Jason to have provided these texts and emails to the court.
Also… when has (the majority of) the BM been interested in actually investigating any wrongdoing within the RF? If they were truly interested in hard-hitting investigative pieces, there would be more questions and scrutiny about the sovereign grant, Charles’ cash-for-access scheme, Elizabeth being exempt from a thousand laws (non-discrimination in hiring practices sticks out particularly).
Also, as many names that were revealed in these text messages, a few people are not mentioned. William and Kate are not referenced at all and so there is no potential for them to be witnesses. Charles and Sam yes but not the Cambridges.
Sure, whatever the DM is spending in legal fees must be more than made up by the revenue from this “sensational” story. They couldn’t get anything out of the Sussexes directly, so let’s just bring out all the emails and texts. Even if the DM loses the appeal, they still have made a pantload of money – unless, can additional damages be attached to the original ruling?
Putting on my tiara, I’d say the BM don’t care if Jason gets fed to the wolves, they don’t care what happens to Toxic Tom, and they don’t care what happens to William, either. They figure the monarchy will go on in some form or other – Charles will be next and by the time he “steps down” George will be of age. They can bypass William altogether – wouldn’t that be a hoot.
Jais, the Cambridges haven’t been referenced YET. There are probably a lot more emails and texts just like these which haven’t been made public yet, and I’m hoping so hard that they will be named and shamed soon. 🙏🏻
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So far the international media has fallen into the same pattern that they had during Meghan’s time in the UK – the UK outlets write the original story with their bias, spin, and anti-Meghan agenda, and then international media outlets just pick up the story using those biased originals as the source for their essentially copy-and-paste coverage.
RE: the NDA, the fact that JK is even able to provide these to the court just further points out that he and the rest of the KP staff weren’t working for her, they were always working for William. (That’s another reason why the staff was so disrespectful to her – their real boss W had his own agenda.) Even when he was handling comms for H & M, JK’s sole loyalty was to William. So, he’s only able to release these texts and emails because he was given explicit approval by William.
I really don’t understand this either. They keep saying that they were trying to protect her, help her ,when they have a senior member of staff going on to help the Mail in their lawsuit against Meghan. This is such a bad look for the family as we now know where their alliance stands, and a very bad look for JK as he is behaving in an unprofessional and very immoral manner.
How does his running to help the mail benefit anyone around there?its just proving what the Sussex’s said all along about people inside the palace working against them. Truly baffling.
The tabloids have something on William so he has to keep them happy and help them in their appeal basically the tabloids made a deal with kp that they will not publish William’s scandals in exchange to negative stories about H&M that’s the only logical explanation because openly stabbing your brother and sister in law in the back and having your top aid helping the other party’s case is not a good look for the royals
This where I’m at as well. I don’t doubt that JK, Will, and Kate want to take down Meghan but this is pretty obvious. Also giving incomplete text messages in the inane hope that you won’t have to reveal the full convo. I mean they could really be this stupid or they could be upholding their side of the bargain. We give you this and you don’t leak this.
These texts reveal so much, which just goes to prove once again William isn’t the mastermind he thinks he is. If Meghan was a bully that Knauf had a problem with, why was she so overly nice and courteous to him and the staff in the emails? Trust me. Bullies and a$$holes don’t switch it up in written correspondences. Their arrogance and selfishness comes through loud and clear. She is a nice person just trying to fit in and do best by her husband’s family. And these horrible people, abused, maligned and set her up for failure.
Also…why are the very talking points about visiting Terrible Tom actual DM headlines? Hmm… Could it be Knauf and KP were directly briefing the tabloids? Idiot! Of course, that’s what the emails prove!
Knauf is bad at his job. All the embiggening articles on the Cambridges and they are still seen as lacking any gravitas for international work in their upcoming roles. Can’t put lipstick on a pig no matter what William is telling him. They look lazy and incurious to the world and no amount of tabloid articles telling people differently is going to change that.
Knauf makes my bitchslapping hand twitch. How Harry has refrained from knocking this guy on his butt is beyond me.
William and Jason played themselves. And they tried to throw Charles under the bus too. William forgot he’s not king yet and he also doesn’t have a Netflix deal to fall back on, Daddy still holds the purse strings. Charles looks like an impotent bully in all this once again. I think he’s going to have to take down William to save his own reign. This should be interesting.
I don’t know why, I can’t pinpoint the exact reason, but this increasingly feels like a lite version of Andrew’s BBC interview. Maybe in the sense that a royal thought it was a brilliant idea and it completely backfired, and all of it has been admitted as official evidence to the court. There’s no way to disavow the texts and emails or deny their authenticity without admitting to perjury and tampering of evidence.
And as much as this conversation is centered around Knauf, William is getting dragged in by association (but not Kate, interestingly).
LaraW, I hadn’t thought of that, but would they have released the Jason’s statement without having attorneys review it first? Also, for some reason I keep wondering if they’re trying to set it up for H&M to sue again. For argument’s sake, let’s say that the appellate court affirms Judge Warby’s judgment. I have no idea if it can be appealed to a higher court, but in the US the higher court can refuse review which ends the entire thing. Maybe the tabloid wants to create something to keep getting articles to write and clicks for money. Just a thought.
Sigh. Please tell me you guys see evidence that Harry realizes his brother is behind the smear. To me he still seems to be distinguishing his family from the courtiers who do his family’s bidding. That Harry was still trying to mend fencing with Charles after Charles cut his family’s security makes me question his judgement. That he was making nice with the Keens at Phil’s funeral months after telling the world his wife was driven to near suicide doesn’t read to me as someone who thinks the Keens are responsible.
As long as Harry can’t cut the cord. Meghan will pay the price.
I agree @Aurora. I realise now that H&M are far more decent people than me but also the time to be nice has well and truly passed. Even attending RF events seems ridiculous to me in light of the cruelty they subjected his wife to. Maybe he didn’t know how involved they were, maybe he’s in denial but my husband’s family couldn’t do this shit to me and then the onus be on me to protect them. The gall of these people. After Meghan refused to name names, they still come for her so openly. They loathe this woman with a passion and Harry may not have been any wiser before but he is now and his continued attempts to maintain those ties is not something i can presently understand or reconcile.
What did you expect Harry to do, punch out his brother at his grandfather’s funeral or Diana’s statue unveiling? How does that make Harry look better and Charles and William look bad? Right now, Harry looks like a gallant soldier and humanitarian and his father and brother look like cowardly weasels. Team Sussex is far, far in the lead on this one.
@Aurora: Huh? How is Harry trying to mend fences when he’s not talking to William and Charles? He’s only gone back to the UK for his grandfather’s funeral and the unveiling of his mother’s statue and has not stayed in the UK long enough to meet his family. In fact some the press criticized him for not staying longer.
I’m sure Harry was in denial at the beginning but certainly he knows the personalities of his brother and father. And we don’t know everything that Harry knows. It’s not a good idea to let the enemy know what and how much you know if you’re still in the fight. He may be trying to “smooth things over” with Charles and William while still keeping surveillance on them in some way.That’s something we won’t know until much later, I’m sure.
It looked to me that Kate got the cold shoulder from Harry. And he and William barely spoke to one another at the FUneral. Kate also was cut from the invites to the unveiling of the Diana statue.
A funeral is not the place to air dirty family laundry. Harry took the high road while William pretty much ignored him and Kate tried to hijack the whole thing because…saviour…something something. I’ve learned over a long and varied career that it’s always best to play your cards close to your chest and give people enough rope to hang themselves. Harry and Meghan know exactly what they’re doing and have enough evidence to sink JK, Willnot and Chuck if they so wish. I don’t think they will do that though, because they are decent people who are trying to manage this sh*t show with tact and diplomacy, not revenge and spite. That is how they’ve cut the cord.
I wouldn’t say that…Harry is going to torch them. Petty Betty is dying so the whole platinum jubilee ish won’t happen. Her death will open the floodgates. Will really thinks he’s smart as does Charles, but both have proven to be dumb and inept. The horrific stuff they did and wanted to do to MM and Archie will leak and he will bring all the receipts. Will and charles have no ability to survive outside of the monarchy and without the title, they have nothing to sell. So down they go like so many other monarchs. You can tell that the smarter family members are prepping for the fall. Bea, Eugenie, and their families are prepared to take care of themselves. Zara and her husband getting into business and saving money by living with Ann. They know Charles isn’t capable of maintaining control and that William is a moron and too arrogant to realize it.
This doesn’t make sense. He went to the funeral for his grandfather who he stated he never had any problems with and barely acknowledged anyone else and he hasn’t attended anything or spoken of them since.
Meghan and Harry are a team as they’ve said many times and Harry has admitted there are times when Meghan insisted on certain things or else she was walking (him going to therapy). He’s not doing these things without her input or without regard for her safety. If anything they want to protect their children’s birthrights. And as others have said the Queen’s death may change it all.
@Aurora, Harry wasn’t making nice at the funeral. He was being civil at a televised event.
Hmmm, so essentially, the RF was all “can’t you control your father?” while, at the same time, paying said father to cause trouble in the first place.
Do you think Charles and Camilla knew it was William though? At least at that point? Although, I remember Toxic did specifically name check the queen as “owing” him. Hmmm?
I don’t know – it seems more like Charles to hide his head in the sand. And Toxic has said so much crap, how can the Queen owe him anything when all he’s done is lurch back and forth in sweaty chaos? She had the power to stop the marriage, but she didn’t – and she couldn’t possibly have intended for Harry to leave the RF. H&M still communicate with TQ, so they can’t feel that she was part of smearing Meghan, either. With Jason smack in the middle, this it a KP problem and that spells William. I wonder if Charles is having a talk with him now.
@MSIAM I believe Charles is equally as culpable and is deeply involved in this. he is just better at removing his tracks.
I think Charles knew and just let William go ahead with his plans. Apparently he did not “mind” for instance about William’s obvious PR ploy with his family going on the flybe commercial flight. I think Charles just enables William.
Yup, pretty much.
Yup, gaslighting 101. Her father was just another tactic in their plan to stop the wedding. They were too cowardly to publicly deny the Queen’s permission for H to marry her so instead they chose the ‘throw the rocks but hide your hand’ approach.
It says a whole lot that Jason’s immediate response is to push boundaries—she asks that it be kept private, he asks to bring “Sam” into the conversation. A small thing that speaks to the baseline level of respect…
I saw this on Twitter and asked @oya who she was. I think it says a lot that Meghan already didn’t trust the staff. That’s pretty scary.
I read that Daily Beast article yesterday and I thought to myself, does JK and the RF think these texts and that story hurts the Sussex’s? Do they not understand that this episode makes the RF look absolutely awful? This is absolutely mind blowing, they look petty and they look weak because of their absolute appeasement to the yellow journalism that drives much of the British rags. Lastly, they seem to think they can control the narrative, well guess what, they just blew up their own story, there is now ample evidence they are liars! Yikes! Do Bill and Cathy understand if they come here next year and the American press gets to ask them questions it’s going to be about this? LOL, me and my giant bag of popcorn are ready for this.
When the grounds of hell open up, it’s going to swallowing, JK , mr and mrs incandescent, mr and mrs tampon and the rest of those demons that are currently residing here on earth with us. Those demons also include the markles. I wish Meghan, Harry, Archie, lili and Doria nothing but happiness from here on out. The rest of Harry and Meghan family can burn in hell.
I think Meghan’s legal team asking the court to publish the texts and emails in full on Friday was a stroke of genius. It showed Jason Knauf to be untrustworthy and exposed the heartlessness of the Royal Family. I was expecting the Sunday papers to have Meghan on the front pages but I think the press have realised that it’s better to keep quiet about it because the texts and emails don’t show Knauf or the Royal Family in a good light. The same thing happened when Meghan issued a statement about the birth certificate and when Harry sent a legal letter to the BBC. Those stories disappeared after Harry and Meghan responded. Letting Knauf testify for the MoS was a mistake.
The initial “Pinocchio Meghan” headlines and the flurry of stories which came at the back of that is what the BM was hoping for. There is not a peep about the rest of the messages or emails in the DF. I found out about it all on Twitter. So as far as the Meghan hating tabloid bingeing public in the UK is concerned, they have only been fed one bit of the story and nothing else. This makes me really sick to see how manipulative the BM is. And I wish H&M eviscerate the whole system.
I believe everything has been read and supervised by at least a Cambridge.
The Cambridge lack reading comprehension if they thought this helps the BRF.
This does not hurt her at all so why did he release it? It made me feel very sorry for and made. Charles look like an a@@
This made me feel so much sympathy for her and I rarely follow these stories. This is beyond the pale.
All this makes me wonder what will be the next response by H&M? Will it be not attending the jubilee in any public capacity, revelations in Harry’s book, what? They seem to be determined to be forward facing and build their future but oh boy Harry must be done with William. JFC William will not stop!
KP is full of idiots. This email dump makes things worse. Dollar bet the Windsors expected Meghan to pay off her loser relatives with her money. Going to Mexico would have exposed her to a tabloid trap with family reunion pictures (and Bad Dad getting a cut) or TT blackmails her for his silence and the press twists it as a bribe. Note the Windsors warned her to deal with this alone.
Other than what smarter commenters than me have said, what sticks out to me on the first texts on the Twitter thread is that JK read Meghan’s letter and instead of thinking that she was just very eloquent (what any normal person would point out), he focused on how it could have been written by a lawyer. It read to me like he read her above average intelligence as a sign of malisciousness and/or conniving, which shows just how her intelligence was always seen as a threat by these idiots
It also really speaks to his overall worldview, doesn’t it? Everyone is out to get everyone else. Because that’s what he knows and lives.
I remember the bots on DM comments urging them to “postpone” the wedding so she could “fly to her father”. It seemed to me that it was an urging that meant they would “stop” the wedding. Charles and the Queen could have put a stop to this but chose not to.
I don’t get why any other members of the royal household would intentionally involve themselves in this. It was between Meghan and the press. The royal family had absolutely nothing to gain by going against Meghan and inserting themselves in a lawsuit that had nothing to do at all with them.
You have to ask: why? They have to know anything JK does is with the explicit permission of William.
Sorry someone didn’t hack a post their What’s Up thread. Piers this is right up your alley…get on it.
Exactly and serious journalists need to pounce on this. This is between Meghan and the BM. Clearly by butting in against Meghan, the contract is now visible. And the next question is, what are you hiding until you have to get involved when you didn’t have to?
So first the palaces weaponize Toxic Tom, then turn around and berate Harry for the behavior they created. What a bunch of evil, gaslighting, subhuman trolls.
No kidding. THEY created that whole situation from the git-go to create the “news” as part of the whole smear campaign. They were trying to portray Meghan as someone who abandoned family in hopes of scaring Harry away. It didn’t work and years later they are now so ham-fisted and desperate it’s comical.
They created this entire situation and still cannot move on from their hate. HM have resigned for two years and it would have been better if the monarchy moved on, but they just have to have their itchy mouths and black hearts overtake the little brains they have.
A couple of thoughts … first, how is TT not mortified? He always acts like he’s on the same side as the RF. But it’s spelled out here that to them he’s a problem to be squelched.
Second, Meghan has always called him daddy? That’s such a red flag. That screams Ivanka level mind control. Don’t get me wrong, Meghan has clearly long since escaped TT’s efforts at psychological control but she still calls him daddy to placate him, because he likes the soothing sounds of his baby girl being deferential. 🤢🤢🤢
I am nearly 60 and all of my siblings and I refer to our daddy, as “daddy.” Get your mind out of the gutter.
My mom called my grandpa “daddy” until he died, when I was 20. There was nothing to raise a red flag about their relationship, it’s just a term some people use, no nefarious reason behind it. Like other people say father, or papa, or dad.
My mind is not in the gutter. Controlling behavior is not always sexual. And there’s no question that TT is controlling and manipulative. Admittedly as an adult woman the idea of calling my father “daddy” like I’m his little princess is galling. I would never give my father the satisfaction of feeling patriarchal.
Bettyrose, I am sure we don’t know the half of what she’s been through with him.
I called my father “daddy” up to his dying day. You’re reading too much into this.
@Jaded:
While I can’t possibly imagine having that sort of relationship with my father that I’d call him daddy (I didn’t has a child and wouldn’t consider it as an adult), I think I can imagine what type of boundaries Meghan has had to establish with her father. Calling him “daddy” is probably very difficult for her but a necessary sacrifice to placate him and maintain civility as needed. If doing so feels comfortable and normal to others, that’s great, but it’s another thing for those of us carefully treading relationships with narcissists.
So did I, Jaded.
Me too. I’m 64 and Daddy died in 2004. We always called him Daddy.
I call my father “Daddy.” I also call my mother “Mommy.” It’s just my names for them. It simply rolls off my tongue very naturally. “Hey Mommy! Hey Daddy! How’re y’all feeling today?” Nothing I think about. Nothing I see as weird. Simply terms of endearment. I also call them, “Mom and Dad.” I also introduce them as “my parent people.”
I am certain that H is watching all of this and seeing how this making his wife feel and mans is sharpening his knives. Mark my words. Harry was probably ready to go easy on everyone in the name of moving on and letting bygones be bygones but these people f**ked around and they are sure as hell about to find out.
Here’ something funny. As many argue that these revelations prove that Meghan is a liar. They omit that these revelations also prove that their future, future king is a liar, William. So much for coercing Harry to lie in tandem stating, William isn’t bullying Harry.
According to the Daily Beast friends of Charles briefed the Times on Sunday. In summary Charles was sympathy to Meghan’s plight with Bad Dad but he never told he to deal with Toxic Tom in person. Meghan never named who, but it sets up to denials so be eliminated from suspicion. Sounds like CH is mad Jason/KP lobbed this grenade into this case and the shrapnel is going to hit a lot of unintended targets. I like my popcorn with butter please.
Yep, it was reported at the time it all went down that Chuck was sympathetic to her situation with Bad Dad – whether he told her to give into him is another story. He might have but am inclined to think that was coming from the Keens and the sweaty Trump Jr troll (aka Jason) as they were playing Bad Dad off with the media – they wanted her to visit him to make it blow up so they could have something to use against her.
All this proves is how she was totally being undermined by EVERYONE at KP. I think Harry will incinerate some bridges, I always felt that was something he has wanted to do, not just out of anger but self preservation.
@Digital Unicorn said:
“… they wanted her to visit him to make it blow up so they could have something to use against her.”
Or else, God forbid, their goal might have been to have her kidnapped and/or knocked off in a foreign country so she’d be out of the picture altogether. Sounds familiar, eh?
It’s clear that somebody at the palace is concerned about this latest text dump & possibly the intervention from Jason Knauf isn’t a good look especially as the palace has been briefing since Oprah interview was announced that they did everything they could to support Meghan during her time as a working royal. The Times’ briefing makes me think that KP alone are behind Jason getting involved in the case.
Meghan mentions Simon Case (William’s ex private secretary) being one of those telling her to go to Mexico. I think back in 2018 the palace briefed the press about her going to see her father as a way to pressure her into going as I remember articles saying she might fly to see her father in 2018. But the daily Mail had a reporter move next door to Thomas, he was doing an interview every weekend & it was clear if she phoned him, the daily Mail or GMB would be listening in on the other line. So it was clearly a trap.
Tinfoil tiara time: I wonder if Dan wootton found out about certain garden activities through his old university pal Jason. And Dan wanted Jason to help his newspaper’s appeal or else threaten exposure of those gardening activities. I mean I think Dan, William & Jason all hate Meghan & would try take her down for free but it’s a little messy for KP to be so blatantly involved in this court case.
@abritguest. Excellent insight as always. It does sound like KP is going rogue. I’m sure it’s due to some nefarious past activity on their part but the garden activities don’t seem like that big a deal. Why doesn’t TOB just own it. He would be forgiven especially by his conservative followers.
Wonder if there are some financial improprieties he doesn’t want disclosed – ie royal foundation which Jason runs.
Wouldn’t put it past Jason to double cross TOB though.
I hope she releases all she has….f*ck that family! They are horrible people. I’m glad Megs and Harry are not longer part of that institution
Anyone know how if the phone tapping lawsuit depos and filings are available? I read somewhere that Harry’s case against Rebecca et al is still pending. Is that possibly true?
The emails show that Meghan was concerned about keeping the letter private from day one. Her comment about not showing Samantha Cohen the letter only solidifies her expectation of privacy. The copyright issue was never going to be challenged. So at this point Knauf publicized internal emails and texts thinking he would ruin Meghan’s case but he only made it stronger.
What the release of the texts also show is that Knauf and William and kate were significantly involved in the smear campaign.
Also, Meghan didn’t want her words to be a liability for the Royal Family were the letter to be leaked. Jason’s advice and input was to help her achieve that. Jason is such a snake but his employer is obviously an even bigger one.
Nic— Exactly! I don’t understand why he submitted the statement, emails, and texts at all! Why?????
Idk but I wonder if JK was “the friend” who went to Robert Lacey with his extra chapters. It was July when the details came out and called Meghan an unhinged sociopath. I think they just want to paint her badly in the press no matter how they do it. She revealed their racist jealous petty ways and so she must be discredited at all costs. Then they can’t can be racist jealous and petty. If this doesn’t work, then they’ll move on to their next plan to discredit the duchess.
I just cannot for the life of me, fathom how he came to cooperate with them. Some crazy says that he was summoned… but this cooperation is willing, not forced, and he purposeful did not show the full texts so she would look bad. If he were truthful, he could have shown all of the texts that were saved, couldn’t he? instead of having to be forcer by Meghan’s lawyers to release more of them.
I’d love to see his texts with the seniors behind them, how they came to install that deleting program in Meghan’s phone.
I bet it was a form of love test, and protection for themselves, not only for H&M. Like if she were to “write a book” after dumping Harry, like many crazies have said, she wouldn’t have evidence of their texts, things like that. She would only have pictures and anecdotes, and they (the firm), gets to keep ALLthe evidence, as is shown here, to be used against her. At the end, since they are all snakes who only care for the higher ups, Meghan cannot even defend herself from libel and violation of her rights, since hey are all colluded.
What a set up.
Glad, SO glad they left.
My theory is that the tabs probably said to KP, “you help us win this case (i.e. give us the goods) or William’s Rose will be in full bloom” so cough up the emails and texts or else.
Sobbering to see Vanity Fair waited until the whole texts were released and their article on this debacle is very thoughtful and has them shading tabloids through Meghan. Even Newsweek was not completely hating on Meghan and while the Court will take its time to a final verdict AND the usual suspects are out there twisting and handpicking the texts, the plöaces worth reading are not so keen on drinking from Royal Kool Aid.
Remember, William ALREADY has the Alt Right, the oldies and the conservatives on his side. What he is trying to do is to win over the younger generations by showing HE was right about Meghan and that HE was trying to protect his poor, very white, very privileged underlying from her bullying…and is not working.
They got some hours of hate coverage and yes, they will milk it and bury the real story, but William is STILL not getting what he wants.
If I had any doubts William will be the last King, they evaporated.
In tangent to your comments (Moderately Wealthy), I noticed that the photos of Kate during the recent two Remembrance Day events, have had minimal editing/ photoshopping. The under 30 crowd who faces job uncertainty, a recession, and who emerging from a 2year pandemic, has ZERO LOVE for entitled priggish vacuous humans. Their “Show Your Work” portfolio is filled w/: movie premiere, environmental puff events & ill-planned UK tours & hair flips. We are Done. Done. Done.
It is mindbogling. All William had to do was to WORK, mind his own business and bid his time until he was to ascend…instead he chooses not to work, to marry a woman who also does not work and to employ a bunch of people that also does not actually work, just try and come up with fanficitions that make him look good.
The time he actually spends sucking to the RR and trying to bring Meghan down, he could have been working and, you know…”moderninzing” RF…like, apologizing for colonialism..apologizing for the wars the brits started for greed…
God, the Vatican apologized for the role in colonialism, but RF is too precious?
They are going down.
All of this release of texts by Jason and helping MoS in their appeal is to keep KP part of the deal& keep the MoS\tabloids happy so that they don’t publish what they have on William simple as that their deal is to exchange negative stories about William with stories about H&M.
Remember the death threat Harry and Meghan got before the wedding? I have a sick feeling KP is behind that, to scare Meghan off from Harry. They never caught the person behind it. OR tin foil tiara #2, Bad Dad sent the letter and KP has receipts. Markle’s hatred of Harry is beyond scary.
Instead of paying him (his and his demon spawns’ life styles have not improved) TT was threatened with prosecution and utter reputation ruin he didn’t cooperate with the smear campaign.
2 nazi criminals are now serving time in uk prison for those death threats/sending ltr wth suspected anthrax to M.
H&M & their team of professionals around them, including their lawyers, must be so contemptuous of the juvenile tactics of that once-venerated Institution & must be wondering if it was always run by a bunch of clowns.
According to royal.uk, the role of the royal family is to “support the Queen in her many State and national duties, as well as carrying out important work in the areas of public and charitable service, and helping to strengthen national unity and stability.”
I don’t see this from the Cambridges. They only seem to care about themselves.
But the Sussexes! They both have a natural desire to help those in need and are so kind hearted. And not a lazy bone in their bodies! They would have been an asset to the Queen and the UK.
If William doesn’t want to be king one day, Charles should let him step aside. Maybe then he’ll stop plotting and scheming against the Sussexes.
That is the thing: William never wanted anything. he never did anything on his own accord. He always gave up or fell short. Had to be convinced not to drop university. Had to be convinced ( TQ asking him to either drop KKkate or marry her) to marry…by all accounts, had to be convinced he should be King.
Once William is convinced though, he does not drop the bone. I suspect all he wants now is to be King, hence all the stories about skipping Charles.
Charles should stop worrying about Netflix and The Crown and his dear Camila speaking about farts and pay attention to his manchild of a heir.
Yes, Charles needs to do better managing William. I wouldn’t want live in a country where the head of state was an emotionally stunted man child.
I know I am incredibly naive and probably not too bright but what role do the Middletons have in this mess? I know they are up to their elbows in it somehow
Ma Middleton is behind constant leaks to the press embiggening Kate like she’s the new saviour of the royal family and the great “peace-maker” who will bring the warring brothers back together. I think she’s also behind a lot of the “FFK and FFQC leapfrogging over Charles and Camilla to become regents” articles. The Queen, Charles and Camilla certainly don’t think much of her, and her brother Gary (aka Uncle Hookers-n-Blow) is a total embarrassment mouthing off on TV about Kate and William being much better suited as King and Queen Consort. The Midds also appear to be part of the hate campaign against the Sussexes because they continually outshine the Lazy Lamebridges.
Also the midds know if will wants to he will get rid of keen once r petty dies. They want the titles and to be part of the aristocracy. They need Kate to stay as his wife. He wanted to destroy Harry’s marriage and keep Harry doing the work, that hasn’t happened so he’s probably blaming keen for her lacking. They helped and kept embiggening her to try to show she is an asset but it all backfired. She’s still a liability.
Those Royal a-holes better pray the Queen does not pass before the release of Harry’s memoir. If she does pass, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Ginger bear went scorched earth on all their asses. You only poke a bear so many times and this mess that’s going on now would be my last straw before I dropped all the receipts.
I had a older sister like William, and a co-worker like Jason. They told every small thing to mom/supervisor on me, but were shocked, I tell you shocked, when I decided to return the favor, and report the far more serous things on them. They thought I would have more honor than them, until I had, enough.
Meanwhile, TQ is unable to attend any Rememberance events. Even though she’s well enough to travel by helicopter to her country estate, which means she should damn well be fit enough for at least a brief balcony appearance.
What’s going on with this? The answers to that are of more journalistic significance than anything involving Meg.
Are the Sussexes being used to deflect from whatever is happening with Betty?
The Sussexes are always used as cannon fodder to distract from other BRF shenanigans. Can envision the headlines once the Ghislaine Maxwell trial gets ramped up. Whatever they can throw at H&M they will for distraction.
When l heard she couldn’t attend, red flags went up for me. Is it really a sprained back or something more, and will they be forthright with this?
New tinfoil theory. The MoS/DM/ANL and interested palace parties don’t want to win the appeal. They weighed the risk & reward and realized going to trial isn’t worth the risk of putting Bad Dad on a witness stand. It’s not like they could give him an answer script to unknown questions. Not knowing how all this works, is there some official/formal record that was filed with the court system that would have been needed to be entered back in July stating Knauf was going to be giving a written statement? The over explanation for JK writing a statement seems off. The lawyer’s for the MoS/ANL are not above lying. Nor are the tabloids above lying. At one point in Thursday’s hearings, Caldecott tried attributing the MoS’s letter story as investigative journalism.LOL
It’s possible that Knauf & Co.’s decision for him (can’t say change of heart regarding someone who doesn’t seem to have one) to write a statement came on or about Sept. 14, 2021-the date of the pulled Sunrise interview. Would there be a legal reason that the Duchess’s lawyers coudn’t ask about what he meant when he mentioned ‘stopping the wedding’ if a trial happened?
The tabloid’s lawyers knew the Duchess’s lawyers would ask/have the complete texts/emails made public. They got what they wanted with the negative coverage. Is Toxic Tom still thanking God for Jason Knauf since the texts revealed he did indeed lie about communicating with the Sussexes while he was supposedly in the hospital. I remember he did the GMB interview with Pinnochio Piers and flubbed his script -he was talking about being in the hospital (getting stents in 2 different places) and texting with the Duchess and then he said Harry told him ‘If you had listened to me, this wouldn’t have happened to you.’. TT went on to tell PM & Susannah? that he thought that was snotty of Harry and hung up on him. He hung up on him while texting?
The majority of the BM/tabloids and royal family in England are just awful people. If the original summary judgement is upheld it would be nice if the judge could add in that any of ANL’s/DMGT’s media or anyone associated with them, can’t write or talk about Meghan, Duchess of Sussex for the rest of her life. Wishful thinking.
To this day I still can’t figure out the sheer hate directed toward Meghan and now Harry. Even from their own families, really disturbing. Seriously, what am I missing? Why would ANYone exert that kind of energy for what I feel is no good reason. I mean, there are actually people that wish them dead!