Has anyone else had the Scottish-accented “Andrew, you’re a sick old man” as an earworm this week? That happened on Monday, during the outdoor procession for Queen Elizabeth II’s coffin, with QEII’s four children walking behind the coffin. A young man named Rory heckled Prince Andrew and Rory was arrested for disturbing the peace. Andrew has never been arrested for raping teenagers trafficked to him by a convicted pedophile and a convicted human trafficker. Anyway, Rory’s arrest made national and international headlines. Rory not only spoke the truth, his heckling and arrest reminded everyone that Andrew is front and center during this very public memorial and funeral. Now sources tell the Daily Beast that make no mistake, after QEII’s funeral is over, Andrew will disappear into the ether.
Ethered: One royal source told The Daily Beast that Andrew’s presence at events this week should not be interpreted as King Charles endorsing his return to public life and that he would largely “disappear” from view after the funeral rites for the queen are complete.
Andrew was still trying to rehabilitate his image this week before he was heckled: The omens for the rehabilitation of Andrew had, until that moment, been looking good. His brother King Charles, whose contempt for Andrew and his lifestyle goes back decades, had been surprisingly indulgent; firstly, he had allowed Andrew to travel up to Scotland in an official RAF jet with his heir, Prince William and Prince Edward and his wife, Sophie. There was little doubt that Andrew, never one to waste a good crisis, appeared to be seeking using the death of his mother to apply a coat of whitewash to his image, whether that be affectionately comforting his daughter under the glare of the cameras at Balmoral or adopting the queen’s corgis.
The corgis: Make no this mistake, this was not a quiet gesture to help out the family. Andrew’s team have shouted it from the rooftops, with friends briefing journalists, including the Daily Beast: “The corgis will return to live at Royal Lodge with the Duke and the Duchess (Andrew and Sarah). It was the Duchess who found the puppies which were gifted to Her Majesty by the Duke. The Duchess bonded with HM over dog walking and riding horses and even after her divorce, she would continue her great friendship with HM, by walking the dogs and chatting.” By taking the dogs, Andrew may be hoping he can convince one or two percent of the population to “move on” from the sex abuse and rape allegations he paid millions of dollars to settle earlier this year, without admitting liability.
Everyone was surprised that Andrew will be included on everything: To everyone’s great surprise it was announced on Monday that Prince Andrew would play a central role in all the major events of the next week: he would be in attendance at no fewer than five key ceremonial events including today’s procession and service of thanksgiving, a Procession to Westminster Hall on Wednesday followed by a service of prayer and reflection; the “Vigil of the Princes” at Westminster Hall, the State Funeral in London and subsequent Committal Service at St George’s Chapel Windsor.
Andrew’s military uniform: Most astonishing of all, however, was a briefing given to journalists Monday at which it was revealed that Andrew would be permitted to wear his coveted military uniform for the “Vigil of the Princes—while Prince Harry would not.
King Charles is bad at making decisions: There are some who would say that parading Andrew down the streets of Scotland was perhaps not the smartest opening move in governing the Scots by King Charles. The country has a strong nationalist movement, and while millions of citizens respect the queen, only 45% support the monarchy compared to 62% across the whole of the UK (including Scotland). Andrew is a walking (if not talking) piece of reputational damage—which Rory will have reminded the royals all too loudly about.
Palace staff want to see Andrew ethered: “The way that kid reacted should remind the royals that the public would be quite happy to never see Prince Andrew again,” one former royal household member told The Daily Beast. “He is an unpleasant, arrogant man with no support in the institution. Including him in the events of this week is a mistake. This is not a family funeral. It is a state affair. She may be his mother—but she’s everyone’s queen.”
Well… I don’t know what to say here, honestly. I think Charles was probably thinking that this would be Andrew’s last hurrah, his last moment of pseudo-public life. I assume that, behind-the-scenes, Charles and Andrew are already negotiating Andrew’s price for disappearing forever, so this was all part of the exit package, at least that’s how it seems to me. Now, does that mean that King Charles has also massively miscalculated? Yes. Andrew has too – Andrew seems to still believe that he can somehow rehab his image and it’s not happening. He can’t just skulk around one of the largest royal funerals ever and no one is going to say sh-t. Of course people are going to say sh-t. And of course Charles completely bungled it too, by assuring Andrew that he would get to play dress up one time in his military dress uniform but Prince Harry wouldn’t.
Somebody yells out, “Andrew, you’re a sick old man” to Prince Andrew, who is walking behind Queen Elizabeth’s coffin pic.twitter.com/M6DsyuPLXR
— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) September 12, 2022
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The whole thing has been messy AF. They never learn, do they?
I confirm, the Royals don’t learn.
Andrew was allowed to attend as “her son” which is why he didn’t wear any military uniform as that would say “I served the souvereign (monarch)”. He wasn’t allowed to go as somebody who served the queen but merely as “her son”. It is a shady compromise. He should retire into private life.
Perhaps the late Queen gave instructions that Andrew should attend her funeral? Perhaps Charles is a really weak king. Really weak.
I am disgusted.
I’m just wondering if it was never up to Charles and the queen SPECIFICALLY demanded all of this-uniform included-this before she died. That would NOT surprise me. We know Andrew and Fergie were there every day lobbying hard.
@laurelcanyoner — good point. Weren’t we all told the handling of the queen’s eventual death and funeral was meticulously planned down to the smallest details (“operation something”)? Andrew’s presence or not, uniform or not, was planned in advance, probably by the queen herself.
@ Mrs.Krabapple, yes. This is what they have been reporting all week. Poor Rory arrested for calling out the predator as he is one.
QE had every detail down to the letter which brings me to the military uniforms. As for PP’s funeral, she saw how much her grandson went for the jugular with Harry, why not ensure history not repeat itself?? Did King Chuckles go about creating his own “version” perhaps?? Would not be a stretch of the imagination.
They never, ever learn. It’s kind of amazing to watch them walk straight into a steaming pile of sh*t.
Instead of never complain, never explain, the motto really should be:
Never earn, never learn.
@ Bonnie, yes. Nailed them to a T!!
@Bonnie Spot on!!
I mean, the royal family has centuries of practice being messy. It’s their thing.
No they will never learn. In fact when they had that walkabout to see the flowers I noticed Sophie putting her arm around Andrew to comfort him!! If that was my brother-in-law I wouldn’t be anywhere near him
Maybe that heckler was planted to deter anymore incidents ,especially for todays big procession. I really hope no anti Sussex nut jobs try anything this afternoon.
I seriously doubt he was planted. The over the top police response to his free speech was intended to be the deterrent.
Why was he arrested? What exactly are they charging him with? He didn’t physically assault Andrew so it seems odd to arrest someone for speaking out. I’m not from the UK so is it against the law to speak against the royals ?
If it was planned, it backfired. The heckler brought the world’s attention to the lack of true “freedom of speech” in Britain, as well as reminding the world what a piece of sh-t Andrew is.
Shows the Queen had a better understanding about things with the uniform issue. They should just have all worn suits like at Phil’s funeral.
I know everyone loves Meghan for bringing down the monarchy but i think it’s the addition of Andrew that really hammered it home. When everyone compares his treatment to Harry and Meg’s, the inequality is so stark, the transgressions so terrible on the part of Andrew, that it’s inexcusable even to your common racist. I mean, they may hate Meg cause she’s black, but if you side with Andrew, you’re in league with a pedo. No one wants that!
@ Watson instead of bringing this monarchy down, I would suggest she certainly has opened many eyes to what a debacle that institution is. And the benchmark for them is remaining a lily white institution at all cost.
In addition @ Watson, Meghan is not trying to bring the Monarchy nor cause harm to anyone within the Firm or the BRF down. Meghan just wants the opportunity to speak her truth. It’s as simple as that.
Please keep in mind the nasties/crazies are claiming that Meghan wants to burn the Monarchy down, which is a lie, but it feeds into the haters campaign too.
Oh you would be surprised at the number of folks who will try and defend Andrew, even after the settlement. “But he hasn’t been charged or convicted of anything!” People are blinded by the “royal” part. Its disgusting.
It was the treatment of H&M in contrast to that of Andrew which finally finished me off with the BRF. I still find it hard to believe this family had more concerns about the colour of an unborn baby than they do about associations with a convicted paedophile/sex trafficker.
I’m with you @Laura D.
SAME. Being racist was vile. Supporting a son who partook in a sex trafficking ring of underage girls? And then using Meg to cover up for Andrews transgressions? That’s pathological.
@ Watson
Andrew who committed crime for which he should serve a lenghty prison sentence was allowed to attend the funeral and the mainstream media doesn’t question that.
Meghan on the other hand …
(I am no fan of the Sussexes and despite that I find the judgement of these two “cases” distinctively out of proportion.)
I would suggest that she did NOT bring them down – they did that all by their own selves.
Louis, though they were trying to break/bring her down, there was no intent on her part, to bring the Monarchy down.
BS! Meghan did NOT bring down the monarchy, the monarchy’s actions brought down themselves.
Meghan Markle simply existed and had the audacity to insist on not being victimized.
I’m still flabbergasted that quitting being a working royal is still treated *worse* than being fired for pedophilia/embarrassing the family is.
The fact that Andrew is STILL a Counsellor of State is also a MASSIVE problem.
https://inews.co.uk/news/counsellors-of-state-prince-andrew-deputise-king-princess-anne-rules-1855095?ico=most_popular
I’m fairly positive that won’t last long. I think Charles will have William, Kate, Camilla, Anne, perhaps Beatrice, and I wonder if he might not keep Harry.
It’s an actual law about who is a counsellor of state. Charles can certainly change the law (or I guess someone in parliament can) but as it stands, its Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, and Beatrice.
Well let’s hope the government reads the room and remove him — although I do not hold high hopes in the regard!
As Becks1 says, it’s an actual law/rule/regulation, following the line of succession. And I don’t know that it matters that much. Their role is limited, and only two need to be appointed when required. Camilla will undoubtedly always be one of them (though I don’t think they have to be appointed according to order).
@Becks, I didn’t know that it was established by law. I assume Andrew because he is the next male heir (damn the patriarchy!) and Beatrice because she is his oldest and he doesn’t have any sons? Wasn’t there something a while back about Harry not being a Counselor because he wasn’t a “working royal?” Andrew isn’t either. But then it would be that twit Edward and still not Anne.
@SarahLee the rule is the spouse of the monarch (so Camilla), then the next four in line above the age of 21. So William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice. There’s nothing about being a working royal, but you do have to be domiciled in the UK. so when George turns 21, it will be William, George, Harry, Andrew (assuming Charles is king still).
Just saw on Twitter where Andrew will be a Counselor of state for Charles. In other words if Charles is ill or abroad, Andrew will be in charge. This institution is getting what it deserves, Charles as King, Camilla as Queen and Andrew in charge if Charles cannot perform his duties if ill of out of the country. Seems to me they need to abolish this shit show and call it a day. Total mess over there with essential services and transportation shut down for this funeral.
Be happy when the Sussexes are safely back home with their children.
Shouldn’t it be William or Camilla?
Women (mothers or wives) have ofted served as regents when a British king was ill or abroad. In other countries, it was the occassional daughter or closest sister as well.
In the past even young princes sometimes stood in for their father when he was away, even if just as a figurehead, and William is well of age.
See above. Andrew will NOT be in charge. First, if counsellors need to be appointed, there would always be at least two. So if he was chosen, he wouldn’t be alone. Presumably, if Charles was ill enough, a regent would be put in place. For everything else, Camilla would likely be one of two counsellors, Will another. If things remain the same, Harry is still on the list. George will become a counsellor in 10 years or so, knocking Beatrice off. And I assume there’s a way to change the list if Charles wants to.
Speaking of the uniform fiasco, Harry has the absolute classiest reply. Also with a bit of satisfying shade. Hope it gets a post here.
I was looking for that… where did you see it?
Omid Scobie ( @scobie
Sussex spokesperson: “[Prince
Harry] will wear a morning suit throughout events honouring his grandmother. His decade of military service is not determined by the uniform he wears and we respectfully ask that focus remain on the life and legacy of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.”
@Julie…. thanks 🙂
Thank you, @Julie, for tracking that down. 🙂
It was truly a masterclass in SHADE….not that this bunch will be phased by it.
Yes, a perfect response.
Kaiser wrote about that yesterday. I agree, the 5th in line and his wife has more class than the rest of them combined.
It was incorporated as an update to yesterday’s Tominey post.
He’s a class act, for sure. Right up there with the “service is for everyone” remarks a few years ago.
@ Jennifer, is that sarcasm? As it doesn’t sound like it.
I for one would like to encourage the continuous screw ups. Let them show who they really are and stand for. Put Andrew front and centre. Let Chuck scowl in every photo and may every pen of his leak or make him write the wrong date. Let Khate and Pegs continue the embiggening and humble brags while they choke on their wiglets and ill-fitting crotch pants.
Indeed! I personally think this whole spectacle is being handled perfectly — lest there be any confusion, let the world see the British monarchy for what it really is: self-indulgent, unaccountable, entitled, and certainly unbothered by real public service,
Same. I think the British people are about to learn the hard way what losing at royal roulette looks like. And, to my mind, it’s a lesson that is a long time coming. If you want a hereditary monarchy, you don’t then get the option of picking which of them does what and when. Roles are ordained at birth, and you live with the consequences. Good, bad, ugly, criminally stupid, and just plain criminal. Five hundred years (or more) of inbreeding does not make for a deep talent pool, and we’re entering the Find Out phase of the program.
Nope. It’s bad enough he still gets public funding and Harry doesn’t. He’s allowed to mourn. In private.
This family is a mess and an embarrassment. Again. I will be happy when Harry and Meghan are on a plane and out of that hell hole.
I knew when they first announced that Harry could no longer wear his military uniforms that they would regret it. This is an unforced error, the rf has gotten and will get tons of bad pr for this move when the only reason to be spiteful. They knew there would be funerals and a coronation in his future yet still made a terrible descision.
It is an unforced error and the RF continues to create their own problems. It’s crazy that they thought the uniform makes the man. Shows how superficial and caught up in ceremony they are.
Pedophile or not, he can mourn his mother, even publicly as he so clearly wants. He can’t though expect others not to heckle or criticize him as he does.
I’m American, so what do I know? BUT this whole Operation London Bridge/Unicorn has lurched from gaffe to gaffe interspersed with loooong, wall to wall coverage of the Queen’s coffin moving across the UK. This production has been YEARS in the planning and yet it’s a mess. Maybe the BBC is doing a better job of focusing on QEII’s life and legacy, but most of the coverage seems to be gossiping about the principals and how CIII will king, is he popular, will he speak about his pet causes, will he be like his mother???? They have to fill the long stretches of the coffin’s progress with something, I guess. 🤷♀️ I’m just amazed they aren’t pulling this off slick and smooth. They really are so bad at this stuff.
I have been watching ITV’s stream and other than very brief explanations about what is happening, they have not been giving any commentary. It’s kind of nice.
When my son texted the group chat that TQ died, I replied ‘it’s a looong process; the coffin has to go on tour.’
Exactly. This has been planned for eleventy five years and it’s just SNAFU after SNAFU with frankly FAR too much media coverage. There are other, very pressing, things going on in the world that deserve and require attention.
Charles just underestimate his son, Andrew would not be the reason that the monarchy was less popular, The lessening of interest is due to the newness of it’s king, the redundancies, how they are managed.
In their echo chamber, Andrew is an innocent who made stupid choices. That is why he can play dress up.
The young man that shouted at Andrew should’ve been ignored. The monarchy does not need the attention.
Charles doesn’t believe Andrew did anything wrong. That’s why he’s been included in the proceedings and allowed to wear his uniform.
Hmm, come on King Charles knows his brother committed a big mistake doing what he did. He just abused his authority and let him be in the funeral services wearing his military uniform and everything.
It not that he “committed a big mistake” (um…crime) – given the company he kept, Charles doesn’t care about that. It’s that it became public and is embarrassing for *Charles* that is the issue.
Of course Charles doesn’t think Andrew did anything wrong. He supported that pedo Peter Ball. https://www.insider.com/prince-charles-history-with-pedophile-priest-peter-ball-2020-1
Didn’t Chuck also solicit advice from Jimmy Savile?
Yes he did. Jimmy and King Prince Charles the Turd were great friends.
Let’s also not forget that Charles was very close to Lord Mountbatten who it is alleged by the FBI to be (and I quote) “Lord Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys,” This is why I believe the BRF don’t think Andrew has done anything wrong. It is so entrenched in their everyday lives the behaviour is seen as “normal”
Watching the procession now. Andrew is not in uniform. He’s in a morning suit like Harry. Someone bought a clue apparently.
It’s at the Vigil of the princes Andrew is allowed to wear uniform, while Harry’s not.
No, he was always going to be in a morning suit for this. It’s for the vigil that he gets to wear a uniform.
Oh – I thought this was the vigil.
Another “rare misstep” by KC and the Sunshine Band. They keep overestimating their own popularity and the goodwill (and common sense) of the people. That video of PA and Eugenie is beyond disgusting. No way to spin that, tho the royalists are really trying. Having PA front and center (while anyone else in his position would lay low until the day of the funeral), is a huge mistake!
KC hasn’t even been king for a full week and the hits keep coming. His true colors are shining thru and flashing warning signs. His lack of leadership skills and bad decision making as king these past few days can’t be overlooked or downplayed, esp with the focus from the international press on the RF. Instead of focusing his attacks on the Sussexes, KC3 better get it together quick, put the focus back on TQ and hire competent staff while he’s at it.
1. Go Rory! 2. Paedrew should be a problem. He’s a sex offender, which disturbingly may include his own daughter. https://www.newsweek.com/prince-andrew-interaction-princess-eugenie-raises-eyebrows-online-1741984?amp=1 He’s a senior citizen who is anal retentive about Teddy bears on his bed. He’s a boar who mistreats servants. Most royal siblings in European families went to school, were well educated and got decent jobs. This guy can’t even do corruption properly.
He IS a sick old man, and KC will need to deal with him much better than he has during the funerary period.
Ok that was absolutely sickening. Right up her bum, I am nauseous.
Per the article: “*comforting* his daughter under the cameras at Balmoral …”
Is that what we’re calling it?!
I’m assuming that everything, including Andrew’s involvement, had the Queen’s approval/blessing, so I don’t think Charles feels he can cut him out at this point. But it is also clear that Andrew thinks this is the beginning of his re-entry and its clearly not.
Yeah, the Queen dictated a lot of this, and at the end of the day, she was his mother too. But where Charles f-ed up was his treatment of Harry and Meghan in contrast. Let Harry wear the uniform! Let him ride on the plane! Let Meghan come too!
The Sussexes may opt not to do some/all of those things, but it would have been so easy to approach it as, “we’re all her children and grandchildren and will be treated the same this week. We’ll resume the fighting and palace intrigue next week.” But Harry and Meghan must remain punished forever and ever.
I believe it was probably part of the Queen’s last wishes and that’s why he’s getting so much rope. Otherwise it’s just gross negligence on the part of the royal family and their aides to not read the room on this.
On a side note, I just watched the video of Andrew and Eugenie and the hand trailing down, down, down was disturbing. Like, I wish I hadn’t seen it because it makes me feel so icky
Andrew is not going anywhere. Any perceived demotion is only for show. He fits right in with the sordid monarchy and sleazy establishment.
Once people come to accept the nastiness of the monarchy then they will understand why Andrew is not being punished. Even the media has gone easy on him.
The royals and their advisors thinking are warped in time and not responsive to new facts on the ground.
Fact no 1: Prince Andrew has been totally disgraced and has withdrawn from public life. He should never be in the forefront for Queen Elizabeth’s funeral public ceremonies let alone wear a military uniform.
Fact no 2 : Prince Harry has voluntarily stepped back from a fulltime senior royal to pursue his life overseas. As a veteran he has a right to wear his uniform to say goodbye to his Commander in chief, the Queen.
The right to wear uniforms cannot be restricted to senior “working” royals only.
Well said
I don’t know what kind of negotiation King Charles and his brother prince Andrew would be making in order for the latter to disappear from public royal view. Would King Charles pay him money? Andrew already is wealthy and he won’t be banned from private family functions. I think King Charles should try to make him understand that he is undermining the royal family as a whole by being present in public functions. Prince Andrew is quite literally a liability to the royal family.
He seems to be kinda “rich people broke” lately (see posts about the chalet).
I have tipped from annoyance/ bemusement to pure anger. Why should that boy be arrested while Andrew will never face a single consequence? Why are these leeches being forced in front of our faces and we’re being made to performatively mourn or be arrested if we dissent? Why are GP surgeries, cancer operations and food banks being closed? What the hell is wrong with this country?
The RF is completely overplaying their hand and if they don’t think that moderate protestants in Northern Ireland won’t be thinking about a united Ireland now, they’re very very very stupid.
@Gems2712, you make very good points.
“What the hell is wrong with this country …”
I know – I’ve been saying this since 2016 & it just gets worse & worse. What the hell is wrong with this country. Just to make you feel even worse, apparently Guinea Pig Awareness week has been cancelled. What the … It’s just bizarre now.
OH & I are going to the beach on Monday – I reckon we may be pleasantly surprised at how many people have the same idea. We did this on the day of Diana’s funeral & lots of others had the same idea.
Completely agree. The arrest was egregious. Give Rory the dogs!
The uniform thing is a huge mistake and is going to look so stupid but I don’t know if excluding him from his mother’s funeral pomp and ceremony would play great either. I mean I think a lot of people would be “good, he’s a rapist,” but I also think you’d have nonstop coverage about how mean Charles is for excluding his grieving brother from his mother’s last rites. I also think that’s why he was allowed to fly with everyone else (and because I do think they had no idea she was going to take this turn, Jenna Bush Hager was literally in the room next to Charles’s office when he got the call and left quickly. If they’d had any idea this was possible, I doubt she’d have been there that day).
I have limited exposure to mournography to preserve my wellbeing but can anybody out there explain why Pedo gets to wear military uniform during Vigil of Princes but Harry doesn’t?!
No. No one can explain it.
Charles is just as petty as Betty was.
Because quitting is considered worse than pedophilia. Seriously, that’s the logic.
I’ve wondered why Charles gets a pass, Dianna was 16 and he was 29 and yet Andrew is the only accused nonce?
The IRA report released on Lord Mountbatten who was Charles’ mentor, (seriously if you haven’t googled that you should)
There’s just so much wrong with the Monarchy. The more you dig, the worse it gets. I hope it ends with the Queen
That was creepy and inappropriate, but my understanding is that they didn’t become involved in any real way until she was 19 and certainly didn’t have sex prior to marriage. I think that’s weird and worthy of a dirty look, but it’s not the same as having sex with a girl who’s not only underage but also being trafficked.
Charles was also close with, and helped protect, child rapists Peter Ball and Jimmy Savile. That family is disgusting.
Some viewers of the documentary got creeped out be Charles talking of how he found 16 year old teenage Diana attractive
None of this is going according to plan, is it?
I mean, I think it was mostly scripted by the Queen, but it feels like what was supposed to be a huge, grand state event is lurching from one problem to the next. There’s the disparate treatment of Andrew & Harry, the bizarre scheme to bus dignitaries around London, the new King’s pen tantrums & apparently cancelling people’s medical appointments to “honor the Queen.” Added to that, I think the Firm has been surprised they haven’t gotten the rush of goodwill or crowds they expected. It’s not an auspicious start to Charles’s reign.
It’s like the Keystone Cops version of a royal funeral — one f*ckup after another. I can’t imagine what hell it must be behind the scenes. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg with “Pengate”, Charles is likely screaming at everyone.
I love the idea someone posted earlier that every pen he ever picks up from now until eternity will leak all over his hands. Ha! Quite subtle but effective,
Really not getting good vibes about our future king. Not my king.
Holds up blank sheet of paper.
Lizzie, the lack of huge crowds has really been noticeable in the videos and pics where they do aerial views instead of the close-in shots. Also there was a woman interviewed in Edinburgh who mentioned she was able to get in 7 times (!) to see QEII’s coffin when it was lying-in-state there. I can’t imagine the crowds were heavy if she was really able to do that.
The BRF should have looked at the public reaction to Philip’s passing and adjusted the plans for QEII’s passing accordingly. It’s not the 1950s anymore, or even the 1990s, when the death of a senior royal would have resulted in much more public goodwill and crowds. And when it would have been easier for the BRF and their media sycophants to control the narrative. Operation London Bridge might need some trimming when they update it for Chuck.
The sad thing is that they reportedly DID update Queenies’ funeral plan in the past year, after Phil’s Funerial Fracas.
I can’t believe I’m saying anything in favor of including Andrew in anything. But. She was his mother. She loved him and by most accounts favored him. He should be at her funeral events. He was a part of her life right up until the end. That reflects badly on her, and I think that it’s fine to consider that as part of her legacy.
I do think the military uniforms issue could have been solved very easily by phasing them the hell out. It’s silly for people like Charles or Anne to walk around in uniform anyway. Tell everyone to wear a suit. There. Easy. Done.
Not one single person has been able to explain how Harry’s military career has fuck all to do with being a royal. And also he IS still a royal, he’s just not under the sovereign grant, which means it doubly doesn’t matter.
Either way I don’t understand how he’s not entitled to the honors and uniform simply because of his service alone having nothing to do with his titles, what am I missing? Does the British military have to take orders from the royal family? In the US, I think the military grants permission to wear uniforms to formal events, how is it different for Harry and the British military?
So, was Rory’s comment before or after Prince Andrew pervertedly ran his hand down Eugenie’s back and butt crack in public?
Let Rory go!!!
Yes! Free Rory! For me it was the Scottish burr with the rolling r’s that made it so perfect.
Not to defend Charles which would damage my reputation, but they were saying on CNN this morning that everything that happens in the funeral was according to the Queen’s wishes. That’s why H&M have a prominent role, and, alas, it’s why Andrew is more front and center than almost anyone would wish. Even the uniform at the vigil was probably her instructions. Obviously, I have no inside knowledge but this explanation does make sense. It’s certainly not a good look for Charles who probably just wants Andrew to disappear at this point.
The thing that really pisses us off is that by saying neither Harry or Andrew can wear their uniforms, it lumps them in the same category—which is horribly unfair. One is a veteran who SHOULD be allowed to wear his uniform, and one is a perv who has just barely escaped arrest for his crimes and continues to offend (ex. That footage at the memorial with his daughter). I realize the rest are working royals with honorary military titles, but it just stinks!
Harry getting lumped in with a sex offender has always stuck in my craw too, Pam.
Hell, Andrew gets BETTER treatment than Harry, albeit slightly. Probably less now that the king is in charge.
Apparently Andrew is to become one of the five Councillors of State so he can stand in for Charles when necessary. Therefore, he is a working royal and gets security, payment and his uniform and status can be upgraded to Admiral which he was due to get on his sixtieth birthday. The price for Queen Consort status!
jsammi, he was already a Counselor of State. He’s always had security. I thought that he’s already an honorary Admiral.
Counsellor of state has nothing to do with being a working royal, it goes by the line of succession of those over age 21. And being a counsellor does not mean someone is entitled to security. Harry is also a counsellor; like Andrew he’s also non-working. Yet Andrew has security, Harry doesn’t.
I wonder when the reading of the will, will take place, sometime between today and Monday or after Monday?
Oh, make no mistake, Andrew will always look for an opportunity to get in the public eye again, and I think he always will. After all, he doesn’t really believe he did anything wrong, and the people who he surrounds himself don’t, either.
Charles might think he’s getting rid of Andrew, that this will be “the last time” he has to give in to his brother’s demands, but with people like Andrew, there will always be one more “very last time”, and he’ll always use the excuse that it’s what the queen would have wanted.
In reality, it doesn’t matter what TQ would have wanted: Charles is the monarch now, and it’s his call, and his problem to deal with.
I still don’t understand why Andrew is half-in and half-out. And I don’t mean in the way Harry wanted it, I mean, do they think Andrew raped and trafficked girls, or do they not? Because if they think he did, then he should be in prison — or at least subject to criminal inquiry — and not treated like a beloved son anymore. Simply removing his uniform is not commensurate with his crimes. But, if they think he’s innocent, then why shouldn’t he be allowed to wear his uniform and continue publicly as a royal? They way the royal family is behaving is sending conflicting messages. So my take is, they KNOW he’s guilty, but he has dirt on them and/or they truly feel they are all above the law, so they permit him to continue to walk free. It is not a good look for the family. Pick a lane and commit to it.
I don’t think they want to know for sure and definitely want heads in the sand about it. Innocent until absolutely proven guilty, donchaknow, except absolutely proving his guilt won’t happen. Also he just makes them look bad anyway, so he’s getting the “publicly fired but still tentatively a family member” treatment.
Even photos of Andrew make my flesh crawl. I cannot imagine being near him.
Rory is a hero. His arrest was a national disgrace.
This whole drawn-out affair is a cluster.
I’m reading “The Palace Papers,” by Tina Brown right now and it’s obvious she despises him, using a word I had to look up: pusillanimous. Very fitting. The real shock was learning that the manner in which he treats his ex-wife, Fergie, which she characterizes as sadistic. Apparently a meeting was taking place with Fergie and Andrew walked in and asked the guest why he was talking to “this cow?” I’m not a Fergie fan but it’s heartbreaking that she may be with him out of desperation as she likely feels she has no where else to go. Andrew is a sick creep in the world and also at home. I hope he is disappeared from public life forever.
Fergus does not have to put up with the abuse but she is an opportunist
Fergie squandered money from the get go she probably would have had a chance to stay in the royal family but got caught cheating and she was ousted from Balmoral