In the last week of September, Denmark’s Queen Margrethe announced that she was removing the royal titles from four of her grandchildren, and specifically all four of Prince Joachim’s children. This set off a very real royal scandal, as Joachim and his second wife Marie did several interviews in the Danish media about how hurtful QM’s actions were, how the kids don’t understand why this is happening. Joachim also seemed to indicate that there’s some internal drama within the family, describing his relationship with his brother and sister-in-law (Frederik and Mary) as “complicated.” Crown Princess Mary even came out and said that, in time, they’ll probably have to make similar decisions with their own children too.
In any case, it was all very dramatic and then something even weirder happened: Queen Margrethe publicly apologized to Joachim and Marie. Margrethe didn’t reverse her decision, but she acknowledged that her actions were hurtful and that she caused them pain. That seemed to work – Joachim and Marie haven’t given any additional interviews and now it looks like Joachim returned to Denmark for “peace talks” with his mother. The Mail interspersed news of the “peace talks” with a story from a Spanish tabloid about how Joachim is deeply in love with his sister-in-law? Oh, boy.
Queen Margrethe and her son Prince Joachim have had peace talks this week to smooth things over, the Royal Household has said – amid reports the Prince had a secret crush on his sister-in-law Princess Mary for years. The palace has confirmed that the Queen and her son want to ‘look foward’ following a row over the matriarch’s decision to remove princely titles from Prince Joachim’s children, which he claimed ‘hurt’ them.
Royal fans will now hope any animosity within the family is coming to an end after the Danish royal household confirmed to a publication that the mother and son are trying to ‘find their way through’ their differences after holding talks this week. The palace told B.T: ‘The Queen and Prince Joachim have spoken together at Fredensborg. Everyone agrees to look forward, and as the Queen herself has expressed, she and Prince Joachim want calm to find their way through this situation.’
Amid the scandal, Joachim, 53, and his second wife Princess Marie, 46, admitted their relationship with his older brother Crown Prince Frederik, 54, and his sister-in-law Crown Princess Mary, 50, is ‘complicated’. And now the Spanish magazine has sparked more speculation around the rift, after reporting that Joachim ‘was deeply in love with his sister-in-law Mary’.
A photograph was even published by Swedish woman’s weekly magazine ‘Svensk Damtidning’, allegedly showing Joachim trying to kiss Mary at a gala party of the Royal Guard Regiment.
The Spanish magazine recalled: ‘With obvious signs of drunkenness, it seems that the youngest son of Queen Margarethe tried to stamp his lips on his sister-in-law’s mouth, that she got out of the way as she could and with an unperturbed smile, while Marie witnessed the embarrassing moment.’
It also suggested that shortly after Frederik and Mary’s wedding in 2004, Danish media began to speculate that Joachim ‘was deeply in love with his sister-in-law’.
‘In fact, it didn’t help that in 2007 he announced his engagement to a French girl (Princess Marie) with the same name and a striking physical resemblance,’ wrote the magazine. But with such strong rumours about the prince’s crush on Mary, the magazine claims Margarethe called ‘them to order’ and ‘started a campaign to show that there were no problems between the two women,’ including ‘unscheduled outings’ together.
The part about “Joachim has a crush on Mary” seems like royal fan-fiction – the photos of Joachim “trying to kiss Mary” look more like the European double-cheek kiss gone awry, which happens all the time if you don’t time the cheek-kisses properly. Now, is it possible that Joachim is just generally kind of creepy? Perhaps. But it sounds more like CP Mary’s fandom claiming that every man is in love with her. As for the peace talks… interestingly enough, CP Frederik and CP Mary were not involved:
Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark ‘was not part of the meeting’ between his mother Queen Margrethe II and his younger brother over royal titles, the Royal Household confirmed – after Prince Joachim admitted the siblings’ relationship is ‘complicated’. Following the meeting, the palace confirmed that the monarch and Joachim want to ‘look forward’ and are trying to ‘find their way through’ their differences – however, Frederik did not attend the meeting at Fredensborg.
Danish publication B.T. reported: ‘According to the Royal House, the Crown Prince was not part of the meeting’, with a statement from the palace reading: ‘The Queen and Prince Joachim have spoken together at Fredensborg. Everyone agrees to look forward, and as the Queen herself has expressed, she and Prince Joachim want calm to find their way through this situation.’
B.T.’s royal correspondent Jacob Heinel Jensen said of the ‘significant and positive development’ between the monarch and her youngest son, that it was ‘not surprising’ that Frederik wasn’t included. The expert said: ‘Prince Joachim himself has acknowledged that the relationship with the Crown Prince couple was complicated, so it is not surprising that he was not there. It is the Queen’s decision, and she is the one who must bear the brunt of it.’
He added of the meeting: ‘This is crucial for their relationship. There will be an event in the future where it is important that we as a population believe that they have become friends again, now the first stones have been laid.’
Big Sandringham Summit vibes, right? That was when Prince Harry sat down with courtiers from Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Kensington Palace to work out an exit, only William was too incandescent with rage to sit down with his brother. I’m not saying that’s Joachim and Frederik’s dynamic, I’m just saying that it’s very strange that the Crown Prince of Denmark wasn’t included in this important family meeting.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid.
I was trying to figure out how the “peace talks” could change anything – and then the piece ended with:
“There will be an event in the future where it is important that we as a population believe that they have become friends again, now the first stones have been laid.” What event is this? Queen Margrethe’s death? And even then, what difference does it make whether they’re friends again or not?
It’s extraordinary that these “institutions” claim irrelevance for the people they want to strip the title off and in the same breath argue that friendship or at least cordiality is imperative. Your question is absolutely correct. If they are so irrelevant, then why is a friendship so important?
I’m glad Frederick wasn’t included. Then the queen could actually listen to her son Joachim without the other one butting in and making demands and foisting his opinion of his brother’s feelings on the group. Maybe by this being a closed conversation, there can be actual reconciliation.
I’m more interested in the “in love with his sister-in-law” story anyway. That’s good (fake?) gossip, lol!
I don’t think Joachim is in love with Mary but i have to admit that the resemblance between her and his wife is a bit creepy. As well as the fact that they share the same name. Still, you can’t help who you fall in love with.
Yeah they really do look a lot alike. I don’t think he’s in love with Mary either (that reminds me of the whole “Harry was in love with Kate” narrative that took hold for a while, see the Fug Girls book lol) but damn that resemblance is startling.
The two women could be sisters.
And their birthdays are only one day apart. It’s like Joaquin went out and married Great Value Mary.
Legit question: How is Joachim’s name pronounced?
I don’t speak Danish. I do speak a few Romance languages though and in my mental-ear (if that’s a thing), my mind toggles between reading/hearing it internally as anything from “wa-keem” (like Joaquín) to “zjoe-a-sheem” and I know I’m getting it wrong. But, it’s one of those words I only ever see written and not said out loud.
Will someone help for my own edification? Thanks in advance!
I went to Google to listen to the pronunciation. . I was mentally saying it incorrect before I did this…
I’ll try to write out Joachim for you to the best of my ability: YO-a-kim
I’d say YO-ah-Kim
Interesting! Crown Prince Frederick has wisely and been suspiciously quiet throughout this entire fiasco. CP Mary commented, which imo she shouldn’t have. The Crown Prince should have been the one to issue a statement supporting the queen. These spares are refusing to suffer bs in silence! Good for him. I hope all the other European spares are taking notes re Harry and Joachim and developing contingency plans. Any plans/agreements with the monarchies had better be in writing bc the monarchs have shown their true colors. I wonder what QM gave to her spare to quiet him down bc I doubt “son I’m sorry” would have sufficed…
For a younger brother he looks way older than Frederik. That’s all I’ve got.
I read that Joachim disliked Mary from the start but respected the marriage. He did not buy into the story of how Mary met Fred. He was also annoyed that their father changed his will and left his home in France to Fred. Joachim and his first wife did “work” while Frederik did not accept his role.
The monarchy is big enough for the Queen’s two sons.
Each with his designated position.
That can be a starting point.
I think it actually makes a lot of sense that they met without Frederick there. It sounds like a large part of the issue is the Queen favoring her older son, his presence there may have been inflammatory. Two-against-one isn’t going to be a productive environment for a discussion like that.
Rather than being a sign of Joachim’s love for Mary, I think the copycat wife he married might be a way of trying to usurp/undermine his brother? The brothers are only 11 months apart in age and if I remember correctly they were in the same year at school and basically raised as twins, except Frederick was the crown prince and Joachim was not. Joachim married first, had children, and took on most of the crown prince duties while Frederik was dating models, it wasn’t until Frederik married that people saw him as more of a serious royal, who wasn’t going to give up his title to marry a Danish lingerie model. So then Joachim comes along with wife number two who is suspiciously similar to his sister in law. I think there has been a real lifelong power struggle between the two brothers that Frederik won by a) not abdicating and b) having four children, and all this fuss about firstly sending Joachim to live in Paris and then demoting Joachim’s children is following along from that.
That Joachim in love with Mary fanfic is right up there with Prince Harry being in love with Kate Middleton.