Last fall, Katie Nicholl’s latest book, The New Royals, was released to widespread ambivalence. There was so much happening around that time, with QEII’s passing and every royal biographer trying to get their books out before Prince Harry’s Spare blew them out of the water. I didn’t even read Nicholl’s book, but I covered various excerpts. In the book, Nicholl claimed that Prince William and Kate are already preparing Charlotte and Louis to be “half-in/half-out” of the institution. Meaning, in this brave new slimmed-down monarchy, only Prince George matters. Charlotte and Louis will get to do whatever they want, regardless of QEII’s declaration that there IS no “half-out” of the monarchy… when it came to Prince Harry and Meghan. Anyway, Mail columnist Richard Eden is expanding on that:
How can the Royal Family avoid history repeating itself when it comes to Prince George, the heir, and Princess Charlotte, the ‘spare’? This is the question that Daily Mail, Diary Editor, Richard Eden is asking this week, as he analyses sibling relations within the royal family.
Writing in his Palace Confidential newsletter, Richard explained: ‘From what I hear, the Prince and Princess of Wales want Charlotte, aged seven, to grow up with the expectation that she will get a job and not be a full-time royal.’
This path for the young Princess would be in keeping with her grandfather, King Charles III’s, vision for a slimmed-down monarchy. Her father Prince William, 40, who will one day be King himself, also shares this ideal for the future.
Richard described how he can understand these views, but said that he doesn’t necessarily agree with the idea of a slimmed-down monarchy.
He explained: ‘Personally, I would prefer to see a larger Royal Family, carrying out more official engagements and meeting more members of the public. If Charlotte is to get a job and not be an active member of “The Firm”, she needs to be ready to step into the breach, if needed.’
I mean… at a fundamental level, the Windsors are gonna have to decide what a “working royal” is and whether royals can be “half-in.” What Harry and Meghan asked for was not unreasonable, especially given what they saw with the York princesses and some of the older royals and royal-adjacents. These questions should have been worked out years ago by QEII and Charles. Instead, the institution thought they could just half-ass everything and make sh-t up on the fly, and everyone would capitulate. Anyway, I hope Charlotte and Louis get far away from the institution as soon as they can. I hope they do end up getting jobs, not as punishment for not being born the heir, but because it feels good to take care of yourself.
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I have no doubt Kate will encourage Charlotte to “marry rich” or into another royal family. I also love how Louis is especially left out of this conversation like he doesn’t exist. What is wrong with these people?
Still, I couldn’t agree more, the farther away from the royal family these two are, the better off they will be.
Kate doesnt have to encourage it, it’s just what will naturally happen because nothing else would be allowed anyway. I think these kids will take over the royal job 100% with maybe a gap year or 2 of pseudo light weight work, just to make them more relatable to us peasants, before they take over the lazy keen life that is designed for them… unless a miracle.
Kate is way too obsessed with all the trappings of royalty to allow her children to ever work like us plebs. No way. They’ll all be sucking at the taxpayers teat their whole lives
Oh, 100%.
Kate probably has a “lookbook” of billionaires with eligible sons. Likely including Russian oligarchs and maybe even (?) Saudi princes.
Her only ambition for her daughter is the same as her own mother’s-marry someone rich.
Since CC was first born? Weird Kate and Mary stans have been obsessing over a match between CC and Christian of Denmark. So she can be ‘a real queen like she deserves’. I’m sure Christian is at the top of Kate/Carol(E) wishlist too.
@notasugarhere
Where do you see people obsessing over Christian and Charlotte marrying. Or are you just making it up. They are a decade apart and cousins.
The people who want that are the same crazies who believe that Rob Pattinson and Kristin Stewart are in a secret relationship with kids. The people who believe that Meghan is really 55 years old and had a moon bump and is drugging Harry. There are some crazy people online. The kind of people who bully the partners of the TV and film actors they love. The Venn diagram of the Meghan derangers and these folks is a complete circle.
Post disappeared. Check out the Kate/Mary crazies on tumblr once in awhile. They’re obsessed with the idea. QEII and Philip were cousins, didn’t stop them. Eugenie and Jack are third cousins. Harald and Benedikte are related, didn’t stop her from waiting a decade in the hopes he’d give up on Sonja. She wanted to be a queen just like her sisters. Ended up marrying a title in a loveless match.
lanne, the Venn diagram includes a subset of people like the ones below. The ‘she’s born to be Queen, see how she handles herself in public, oh she’s a tiny adult and better than her older brother’ crowd.
They insist 1) CC should be a (potential) future monarch not her older brother 2) CC should marry Christian. Exhausting twistings and turnings later, they try to figure out how CC can jump her brother in the line of succession *and* be both Queen Regnant of the UK and Queen Consort of Denmark. SMDH
I do not know if most posters are old enough to remember (I myself am older than dirt) but there was a time when Harry was quite young that the British Tabloid Media printed multiple stories on Harry’s “need” to marry the perfect ROYAL princess, aka Princess Madeleine of Sweden. This horseshit kept popping up every now & then until Princess Madeleine of Sweden married…. AN AMERICAN named Chris O’Neil.
Footnote: Eva O’Neil, mother of Chris O’Neil, was one of KCIII’s regular side pieces when he was married to Diana and bonking Camilla on schedule. Therefore, CKIII was actually cheating on his wife and HIS MISTRESS. What a family: Sometimes you do really need a detail diagram to keep up with it all.
CC= ?????
Sorry fellow CBers but I am Lost in Space today.
Royal blogs have people obsessed with preserving royal blood. They are cool with cousins marrying. Charlotte and Christian aren’t really that closely related, especially not for royal standards. And a ten year difference? Sure now it seems weird but at 25 and 35 most royalists wouldn’t blink.
Let’s hope Charlotte can escape all that
CC (for Charlotte) and PGTips (for George) were early nicknames for them on here. BTB, I remember talk of William wanting to marry Madeleine but nothing about Harry. There was a rash of weird ‘he should marry the eldest Greek daughter’ when he was dating Meghan, a big age difference and closely related. But that doesn’t phase some of them.
Perfectly said, OriginalLala! There is no chance in hell Kitty expects any of her kids to get a real job.
Top CEO does not share with us the same concept when it comes to work or a real job. I have no doubt Charlotte will have a job …. ala Middleton.
Eugenie and Jack are 3rd cousins?? I…did not know that
There’s no way that that family defines work the way I define work.
I do not believe this story. Will and Kate will want all of their kids to be full time royals. The kids of their cousins, and Harry of course, is a much different story…. I’m won’t be surprised one bit if they give them the boot.
I don’t think the kids of any of William’s cousins would expect to be working royals. Their parents have never been working royals. And I doubt Harry/Meghan would let their kids anywhere near that toxic cesspool.
I agree. @beenie Kate like mom Middleton will want her children provided for. She could give a shit about the kids having real jobs except maybe for poor Louis who is the spare. Charlotte is the girl and has the most charisma, sadly she’s not going anywhere.
Good for Charlotte. If she is smart she will get something far from the Salt Isle and have a happy and productive life for herself. Just like uncle Harry.
Truth be told, this is how it should be. It’s what other royal families do too. And it allows all the focus to be on the heir and his future family. And it allows the spare to live the life they want. However i don’t believe for a second that this is true. I think they very much want to both charlotte and louis to be part of the whole hoopla, with louis serving as George’s whipping boy. I also think that william doesn’t see anything wrong with the heir spare dynamic
Agreed Chloe. This is how it should be, and yet I doubt the Waleses want it this way. Kate never worked herself, why would she expect her daughter to work?
There should not be a monarchy. It’s outrageous and is a system designed to steal from the poor and working class. Steal. Grift. Get rid of it, pesky spare problem solved.
They will use Charlotte and Louis if those two have more spark than George.
I feel for that kid. She’s going to need her Uncle Harry’s fortitude and determination to survive the role of “spare” and make her own way in the world. It will all be harder for her just because she is a girl. And she’s going to need a lot of her grandmother’s strength (Diana, not the other one!) to stand up for herself.
Sometimes I wonder if either Charlotte or Louis will run away to Uncle Harry and Aunt Meghan the second they turn 18 so they don’t have to live a royal life.
They will never do that because they don’t know each other.
I noticed at the Queen’s funeral Charlotte seemed curious about Harry and Meghan. She was staring at Harry when she was sat next to him in the pew. She also tried to check out Meghan before Kate yanked her to turn back around.
I’m just thinking, even if they don’t know each other, there is no way those kids won’t ever hear about them. Whether it’s via the internet or their friends talking about them. They will see Uncle Harry living a happy, independent life and see their cousins being free as birds and wonder what life on the other side is like.
I don’t know about running away at 18 but the relationship could happen. I only saw my uncle and his family rarely growing up because my dad had always hated him (and they lived far away) then after my dad punched him in front of my grandma when I was maybe 12 we had no further contact with them (I am now estranged from my dad, a related but different story). Anyway, after maybe 20 years of this my grandma reconnected us and now we have a good relationship on our own terms. It can happen.
Regarding reconnecting, just look at Meghan and her own niece, Samantha’s estranged daughter.
With technology Charlotte and Louis could easily communicate with Harry without their parents finding out. Right now both are a little young but I wouldn’t rule it out when they are older.
I too noticed that Charlotte looked at Harry and Meghan a lot during the events. I think she knows what is going on as much as George does. Plus she will soon figure out she is in the Harry position herself, especially now that male primogeniture is removed in the succession.
Charlotte most often appears uneasy in photos- even saddened at times.
@Snuffles Yes, they will know Harry through the Internet and their parents, but this doesn’t mean that they will know him personally. Harry didn’t engage with these children when he was living next to them, let alone now when he lives on a whole different continent.
@nora
That wasn’t because he didn’t want to. That was all in Will and Kate. I’m just saying, if Charlotte or Louis try to contact Harry once they become adults, he won’t turn them away.
From personal experience it is possible for a niece or nephew to have a different relationship with an aunt or uncle than their parents do. Once kids get older they see things differently and not always like their parents.
Charlotte and Louis are a bit young for it now, but once they are teens, they could interact more with him.
ITA with Snuffles and Nic. Just wait until Charlotte and Louis (and George, for that matter) are able to sneakily read Spare, as well as literally anything and everything online. W&K simply won’t be able to control them after a certain point.
Who knows how any of the three of them will turn out; maybe none will be the least bit rebellious or interested in abandoning all of the trappings of the BRF. But only time will tell, and I do think that Harry’s actions at least gave them a fighting chance of maybe escaping if any of them do want to flee.
I believe there’s always a chance that at least one of the three of them would reach out to Harry, and I don’t think he would ever turn away either of his nephews or his niece. He knows better than anyone that their situation is not their fault and would want to help them.
And as Nic said, they could always decide to reach out to Archie and Lilibet online once they’re a little older, and easily hide it from their parents. Just because W&K are awful doesn’t mean all of their children will be, too.🤞
@Brassy rebel
I don’t feel bad for her at all. She is set to inherit 3 billion or something to that effect. Listed as the most wealthy child in the world. I think Kate set that up because she is a girl and the spare. She will not have the life Harry had because she will have her own wealth. Will and Harry were under Charles narc thumb and that is what caused a lot of the infighting that Charles loved and perpetuated between the boys. My .02 cents is that Charles took out all of his anger on Harry because his own spare Andrew got all of mom’s love and was treated maybe better then the heir. Andrew has a 98 acre mansion/estate while Harry has that shack. He enjoys using money that is suppose to go to the royal families as a way to control and manipulate them because he needed the boys on his side so he could be with Cam. Anyhow, little Charlotte won’t be living the way they had Prince Harry and Meghan. Its really gross every time I think about it. That his family is so effing wealthy and this is how he treated his son. The queen too she is crap also .
@Okay Exactly. Also, the British media and her parents will throw Lili under the bus to protect their pure white princess. It will always be Lili the American girl vs. the pure white British princess.
@Nora That would be something to see. If they keep tracking Harry’s kids to compare them to their all white cousins it would be so bazar to witness. Think about it. If the RBF is already becoming irrelevant now then 20 years from now it would be just astonishing to keep this up. They would solidify that they (H&M) and kids are indeed Princes and Princesses in a rival court. A court that survived without the RR, BRF and BM. A court that still sees H&M as rivals. If that is still going on I don’t think the Monarch would survive. Even now RR must be feeling the cold shower that they need to stop talking about H&M and that all they have is W+K. After the coronation *if H&M are wise and never mention BRF in public again and never attend any royal even* It will all look so much more obvious that not helping the branding of the royals in the UK.
OKAY, who is she inheriting 3 BILLION from? And just how did Kate arrange this. I think a link would be nice because I never heard this before. 🤔
Like Brassy, I also want to know where this 3 billion is coming from! Where exactly is Kate going to squeeze this out from? Even her brother who will supposedly inherit the throne – if the monarchy survives- won’t have 3 billion; so where will his spare get that from?
Charlotte is not set to inherit 3 billion. From where/whom?
@BUBS the sad thing is we don’t know what George will inherit, because the royals are the farthest thing from transparent when it comes to their personal wealth.
I have never seen this 3 billion reported anywhere, not even from tabloids.
Will Charlotte do fine? Sure, but the Middletons aren’t worth a fraction of that and they have other grandkids too. And William only has money through the duchy. He will only get more if he is monarch. Prior to then Charles has the money and no way he is giving Charlotte that much.
Charlotte will always have privilege but she is also in a sexist fishbowl with a doormat mother who will transfer her own issues on her daughter. I feel some sympathy with that. Nanny Maria is the only normal person she’s got in her life right now.
I feel for all of those kids. They have no chance to ever make their own path and follow their dreams. never have normal relationships with parents and grandparents and siblings and cousins, and people will always treat them differently. True friends will be hard to find. Look what it’s done to Charles and William. Yeah they’ll have a lot of money, but it’s kind of a gilded cage situation, isn’t it?
I also feel sorry for all three of them, being born into this sh!tty life. I have no idea how much money Charlotte is set to inherit, but imo NO amount of money is worth enduring what the tabloids are going to do to her, the paranoia she’ll always have that people only want to befriend or date her because of who she is, and the fact that she’ll never have a day of privacy in her life. It really is a gilded cage.
Charlotte is not the spare. It’s Louis and he’s already the scapegoat.
Charlotte has a ton more charisma and social ease than George. She is/will be a working royall,
Charlotte is ahead of Louis in succession. She is the spare.
charlotte is the spare, but it will be interesting to see who is treated like the spare by the family and the press – Louis or Charlotte. This isn’t like the Charles-Anne-Andrew dynamic, where Anne was the spare until Andrew was born and then she got bumped down (and bumped down again when Edward was born.) Charlotte did not move down when Louis was born (yay progress?) so she is the spare, but we will have to see if the dynamic plays out differently with a girl as a spare and a younger brother as the spare to the spare.
I thought slimmed down working royals meant the monarch, his heir(and Spare and family) and the heirs family. So now in future it will only be William and George? Seems too slim! What will happen to the other hangers on, I guess they will age out and the door will be shut on them. William is going to be ruthless, the rest better get their lives and futures together NOW!
You slim it down gradually so that people get used to royals not working. By the time William is king, he’ll do official stuff (parliament, etc) and very little else. The way monarchs used to be. This new example only came about with Victoria’s family and especially under queen Mary (who’d been tutored in philanthropy by her own mother, the original People’s Princess, Mary Adelaide of Cambridge, later Duchess of Teck.)
This! I have nothing to add, except to agree that the idea of royal “work” is nothing but a modern invention. If William is as reactionary as he seems, he probably doesn’t think cutting ribbons etc have anything at all to do with being king. He’s always seemed Edwardian to me, but even that might be giving him too much credit.
@SueBarbri33 – But the problem is the Royal Work continues to be generated. Buckingham Palace receives over 5000 request a year from organizations wanting a royal to show up do something such as awarding the prizes at the village fete, handing out diplomas & awards at the village comprehensive elementary school graduation ceremony and officially “opening” some new municipal whatever. This is the “Bread & Butter” work of the BRF which both the Queen Mum and the Princess Royal excel(ed) at.
Charles has a big problem if he thinks or expects his British Subjects to accept the termination of Royal “Bread & Butter” work . Royal “Bread & Butter” work is what many taxpayers (Sun-Mirror-Daily Mail readers and/or commentariat) believe they are paying for.
@BayTampaBay
I don’t know, the Brits seem fairly docile to me. It seems like they’ll accept anything to keep up the pretense that they’re still a global force to be reckoned with, instead of a washed-up second banana.
@Noki, Eden and his ilk are likely sh!tting their pants at the thought of having only William, who will be too old to be considered all that interesting anymore by then (not that he’s particularly interesting now) and will only be doing the bare minimum, carrying out only dry, necessary official engagements, and George to write about. Well, and Kate, I guess, but they’ll want new blood as W&K age.
In a decade, if not sooner, their interest in Kate will likely start to wane. The tabloids need “glamour,” scandals, etc., to fill all of those column inches, as well as to justify paying to have full-time royal correspondents on staff. It’s always been the younger royals who generate interest and clicks and sell papers. The RRs will become obsolete fast if things get TOO “slim.”
Maybe that’s what William is banking on? Is it possible that it’s part of some long game that Charles thinks will eventually rid the family of, as he once called the media, “those dastardly people?” Starve them of content?
The press has way too much dirt on way too many members of this family for such a plan to ever work, if it even exists. They have Bill’s balls in a vice if even a fraction of the rumors we hear are true. At the very least, they’ll start going after any girl George is ever spotted with as soon as they can. But neither KFC nor William are particularly intelligent people and they’re both arrogantAF, so who knows.
For people who have never worked a day in their lives to want their daughter to get a job seems unbelievable to me. I think William and Kate want her to marry a rich aristo and do some royal engagements. I don’t believe the Royal Family want Charlotte and Louis to be half in if they did, they would have let Harry and Meghan do it.
Right, if that was the plan for C&L, William would have wanted Harry to do it so he could sort of set the example/standard for his (William’s) children.
@Becks, logically, you’re right, of course, but even if part of William knew that letting H&M be half-in was the wise thing to do in terms of precedent-setting, I don’t think his ego (or Kate’s) could ever have allowed it, imo.
W&K never could have endured the decades of jealousy and envy eating away at them as Harry and Meghan shone — making them look even duller, lazier, more incompetent, and more ineffectual in comparison than they already do — all for the good of the futures of their children. IMO.
It’s plain to see that if W&K’s priority really was their children’s best interests, then letting H&M do their thing was the obvious way to go. But they simply didn’t have it in them. Kate couldn’t even control herself enough to sit through an hour-long, internationally televised church service without making a scene with her bitch-face. Even if they’d tried, they just would have continued to sabotage H&M.
They’re both too petty, short-sighted, and reactionary— as are KFC and his Mistress Consort. Harry and Meghan never had a chance.
Well, after the clusterfuck of Harry and Meghan literally escaping their clutches and embarrassing the royal family by being high profile and successful, I could see them wanting to prevent a repeat 20 years from now.
I’m sure they are open to considering letting Charlotte and Louis have lives similar to Eugenie and Beatrice. Living financially independent, low key (emphasis on LOW KEY) lives but returning for family and royal events. Neither outshining the heir.
That said, I sure they will be strongly encouraged to marry rich and/or titled people who will not rock the boat. God forbid they ever become interested in an American.
Absolutely. The complete cynic in me wonders if this is part of a long game of throwing Charlotte under a bus. Right now its good PR – royals will work for a living, just like us! Then when it doesn’t happen she can be blamed for not wanting to work.
I wouldn’t go insofar to say they’ll learn to “take care of themselves.” They’ll still be either receiving money from the Wails/Chuck plus whatever “job” they get will most likely be like Beatrice’s “job” where she was able to take 8, 9, 10 vacations a year. They’ll have cushy jobs where they don’t have to do much and they got in the first place because of who they are. So let’s not feel too bad for them.
Did TQ say that or did the courtiers overrule her or can only all-white people be half-in? Funny how some of TQ’s cousins and B&E could be half-in long before Meghan came along. If KC wants this slimmed-down monarchy, he needs to get started. He still has siblings “working” for him and some of TQ’s cousins. He needs to retire them all out and give his plan a trial run. Imagine raising your children so unequally. “One of you will live off the people and inherit everything, but you other two start planning a career.” Is that raising children normally as they brag?
So, if charlotte does not become a working royal, does she lose her security at 18? After college? Or will her parents be allowed to pay for her security? Something Harry is forbidden to do and is actually suing about? Imagine, unlike Harry, they will talk about the risk level and she will get security. But for how long? I’m not against her having security. I just think Harry should at least be able to pay for his. Really, I think the people should pay for it. If these children are to be raised as tabloid fodder for the public from the moment they’re born, then they should have security for life. Imo. Otherwise, abolish the monarchy and gut the press barons.
Beatrice and Eugenie lost their Royal ‘tax payer funded” security when Eugenie completed university. Andrew was VERY upset over this.
@Jais 💯
I feel for those kids, man. And all these stranger ass adults constantly speculating on their adult lives already is so gross.
I agree, Kelsey.
They already have their entire future planned for them, down to their personalities.
Their parents certainly won’t help them navigate & cope with royal life.
It’s sad to witness.
Exactly what Kelsey said.
The whole ridiculous set up needs abolishing it has had its time. For example, what if George also fancies a career instead of waiting around to be king? Does he get allowed to choose his own path too?
Yes Kelsey, its just like Harry said in his memoir Spare. The tabloids create a character for you and write you in to the play they craft. It didn’t work with Meghan because she came with fans who could push back at the character the tabloids tried to create.
What does Charlotte have? Parents who are to scared to stand up to the media. If the family/firm want to slim down and just focus on the heir then stop putting the siblings in the spotlight. It would also remove concerns about them stealing the spotlight. The family/firm don’t because pics of the kids sell and the UK press want those pics so the family/firm don’t advocate for their wellbeing.
Without her consent Charlotte is being made in to a public figure which will limit her choices in life. Additionally a persona is being crafted for her which in the future will come with its own burdens. Her parents are doing nothing to protect her and are just using the public interest in her to boost their own PR. I say poor kid for her now just like I used to for Harry and Willy.
Seeing Harry’s escape I hope she will also grow up and find her peace and joy and not be crushed by the system she was born into.
@B, ditto to everything you said. I feel incredibly sorry for Charlotte.
Me too. She’s still a little girl and and old man thinks he can publicly dictate what she MUST do when she’s older. It’s sickening.
Yeah, whenever “Oh I’d love to be royal” all I can think of is “absolutely not”. Being told what you can/can’t do say, think, hang out with. Being the heir would suck and being the spare would suck. Unlike Harry and William, these kids will grow up with Internet access and can learn about their own family like never before. Who knows if they will stay or go–only time will tell.
It occurred to me why the Queen was a teeny bit better-abled, with a better temperament to be the monarch. It’s because she wasn’t raised to be it. This was not her career path. She was royal, yes, but was raised differently with different expectations. Those who’ve been raised as the heir, to one day rule, are all insufferable and completely unfit for the role. Charles, William, they are damaged, entitled pricks who should be kept farthest from the crown than anyone. Another example of why hereditary power and monarchies are a disaster and should be abolished.
Great point!
But the Queen was raised to be the heir from age 10 when her father became King. Of course, there was an expectation that the Queen Mother might have a son, but after a while, they realized it would not happen. There are many stories about how Margaret felt about Elizabeth getting to study subjects that she didn’t because Elizabeth would be Queen.
@Elizabeth yes exactly and I feel people buy the propaganda about her because of shows like the Crown and movies about them. That she was this sweet little old lady or this magnanimous mother of the UK. She was just a pretty, entitled, evil to her own, evil to others and destroyed countless lives due to her incompetence and stupidity like getting in bed with the RR. Liz was poorly educated on purpose by her mother orders because she just wanted her girls to be “well behaved young ladies” even when she was set to rule one day . This really hurt Liz later on and then the powers that be taught her about English history and other subjects but it was much later. I felt that the Queen mother Liz’s mom caused so much damage and had to much power. She was not educated enough to be the mother to the monarch and the damage is still showing. Turned her daughter over to the Tories and marrying her in a very shady deal with Prince Phillip. She was the first empty vessel. You can tell in how much she attacked Diana and how woman marrying in are treated.
Yeah, she was raised as the heir more or less. She just got lucky because David bore so much brunt of the bad press and her father and then she could get held up as the safe way out.
Even George V said he prayed God “nothing would come between Bertie and Lilibet and the throne” which implies a lot of behind the scenes wishes.
What I don’t get is how QE was raised in a loving home but was such a cold distant mother
Totally. Thats explains David (the one who abdicated) being a nightmare too. And his brother being somewhat stable.
His brother wasn’t stable. He was an absolute emotional wreak because of the ‘spare’ treatment he’d received his whole life. When Harry says it’s generational he’s not wrong. If these people were not royalty they would have had social services/child protective services calling on them decades ago.
Funny thing was in his youth, David was spun as a dashing prince charming type, while his brother was branded as a stuttering fool with a bad temper. Just goes to show you how powerful the press is
It is also worth noting that both George V and George VI were second sons as well and that they were more successful kings than their older brothers were/would have been. Because their older heir brothers were awful men totally lacking in character. George V’s older brother died young and we all know what happened to George VI’s older brother, the Duke of Windsor. The way the Windsors raises their heirs make said heir completely unfit for their future role. Oh the irony of it.
So true. The best heirs are actually the Spares. Heirs never have to face consequences for their actions. They are never questioned, always defered to. They never have to accomodate themselves to anyone or anything–which makes them absolute tyrants. The Queen’s narrative of her own reign was a wise one–she wanted to live a life of service and proclaimed that as a young girl, and then became queen 20 years before she would have expected to. William and Charles have the same problem. They have been raised to be the monarch. Their narrative can be summed up as: “when will it be my turn, damnit?”
That doesn’t bode well for either one of them. And the Spare has shown up both father and son by being a better man than both of them put together. Could either Charles or William exist outside the world of the royal bubble? Not a chance. They need their titles in a way that Harry never has, and I think they resent the hell out of Harry for that.
No man wants to be shown as a lesser man to another–especially to a man who’s “supposed” to be less than they are by rank. I don’t think that either the king or his heir are self-aware enough to realize why they both resent Harry so much.
Prior to Elizabeth I agree. But Andrew is the second son and well he’s more like David and Bertie than the other second sons.
The Jesuits say “give me a child for the first seven years and I’ll give you the man.” Elizabeth II spent her first ten years being raised as a royal princess but not as a ruler. Then after the abdication she was the “heir presumptive” but not the “heir apparent” for another few years because the powers that be were still hoping for a boy. Even when it became apparent that she would rule, she was still a woman in the 40’s and she was expected to be a figurehead managed by her male advisors and husband. Same deal with Elizabeth I and Victoria. I think their sex protected them from being treated as the heir apparent during their formative “early years” and that saved them from some of the personality warping and damage that starts at birth for the boys.
The Jesuits stole that line from Aristotle.
This has absolutely come from the Middeltons – part of the ‘Middleton way’ of raising the royal children. I think we can all safely assume that the ‘job’ Carol(e) wants Charlotte to get is a little P/T gig as a ‘buyer’ that gives her the freedom to pursue a rich, well connected man as well as looking like a ‘modern royal’.
Poor kid – she’s being setup to be the fall girl for her brothers already.
Lately I’ve had the odd feeling that, if the monarchy survives, Charlotte will be queen, not George.
@ Selene
Weird, I’ve also had the thought that Charlotte would be the best at the job, just from observing her when she has been trotted out by her parents. She seems to have naturally absorbed all the “protocols” from birth. Think about her little waves as a toddler, and her keeping her brothers in line. She was born to be Queen. She already seems to be George’s confidente. A very mature and confident little girl, it seems.
Written like those odd Kate/Mary stans I referenced above. Because talk like this ever benefited Harry? Diana herself said Harry would be a better king than William. William and the courtiers must know that, which is part of why William has abused Harry his entire life. So now you want that for CC? To have her older brother resent-and-abuse her because strangers online insist she should be the heir not her brother?
Nothing says how weird and dysfunctional royalty is than the fact that we are having discussions about the livelihoods of children who haven’t even reached their preteen years. The child is seven for chrissakes.
Just here to say the pictures are fabulous, as usual. Charlotte is clearly over a lot of things.
their positions are dependent on what george needs imo. if he’s like kc3 or the queen, yeah charlotte and louis would probably be free to do whatever. if he’s like is father, those 2 aren’t going anywhere.
I am not sure the BRF meant to half-ass this kind of decision. I just don’t think it occurred to them until v e r y recently that the UK might not always want to spend money keeping them.
It is just awful that a 7 year old is already part of the press machine.
Strangers projecting how her life will pan out. Creepy.
Yeah, and I have an island for sale to anyone who believes this bullsht. Charlotte is already a working Royal. Workings at detracting the masses from the widening gulf between her parents when ever they are out together. Look at the pictures from the BAFTA awards. You can bet your life if it had been possible, Charlotte would have been walking between them. I wonder how the public will react when they see what was forbidden for Harry and Megan seems OK for the others. Charlotte, Louis, run as fast as you can to uncle Harry when you are able. Because living with your useless parents is going to cause you real problems.
LOL, sure a lifelong gold digger who is KEEN for her daughter to get a job.
Why are they still dyeing this child’s hair blonde? You can tell it isn’t natural highlights from the sun. Okay I know why, which shows how twisted they are.
They dyed her hair in 2021, when Lili was born.They desperately want her to be Diana’s only blonde-haired granddaughter. I wouldn’t be surprised if she later wore blue contact lenses.
There are already blond and blue eyed granddaughters. Did you forget the Queen had four children?
Maybe these kids will grow up and throw wrenches in all these ridiculous narratives. Imaging if George stepped away from the crown and became a Buddhist monk,Charlotte becomes an actress, and Louie becomes a MMA fighter at least that would make them interesting(or at least these made up narratives more fun to read). These people and the stories they make up about the future of very young children are laughable. Let’s see just how screwed up they make all three of them by the time they are adults because it’s coming. Odds are they all will have serious issues and horrible entitled attitudes just like their parents.
Excuse me, but Kate didn’t suffer and humiliate herself for a decade just to see her only daughter forced to work for a living! No way.
I could see Charlotte going the same way as the York girls – marrying reasonably well, getting a pretty cushy job in the art world or real estate that would allow her to travel and do what she likes. Who knows what her interests are yet? Maybe she’ll buck all the trends, get a double first from Oxford and throw herself into researching preventions for childhood diseases.
Maybe she could get a job at Jigsaw or Party Pieces. Or write a column with party tips!
I’m old enough to remember when the Cambridges justified their luxurious renovations to Kensington Palace by saying it would be there forever home and they would be London based, so I’ll believe this when I see it.
Yeah so obvious the rats want a bigger working royal fam so they can throw more spares and their spouses under the bus for George or the Wails, even if the spouses are white. They need fresh blood to book tv spots and write trash books.
If George is raised like William he will be the one dictating their lives (and the children) and controlling their funds. I hope not to the extent of physically assaulting his sibs yikes.
But then again mental abuse is still abuse.
So everyone is allowed the half in BS but Harry
So much for we’re not a racist family
And if they’re allowed half in half out, let’s see if Charlotte’s and Louis’ children still get titles and use HRH 😏
You just know even if they’re slimmed down, the money’s not decreasing!
Of course William will allow his future grandchildren to have the HRH Prince and Princess titles. How will they outrank Harry’s grandchildren if they don’t have titles? Titles are all this family has.
if they want to slim down the monarchy they need to do that via real estate. let the people on Duchy land buy their homes, for starters.
So no talk of how fk George will need Charlotte to help him rule when he becomes king? I mean we saw her telling him what to do during the never ending funeral. How did she know exactly what was expected and George didn’t? And no mention of Louis. Is Louis is the new Edward, the forgotten prince/brother of the heir?
Its sad that the RR can’t even wait for the children to reach puberty before outlining their futures. Unfortunately for George, his role as fk appears to be set and clearly defined but as spares, his siblings should have more flexibility. But I seriously doubt that parents who are allergic to real work would want their royal children to do more than the bare minimum. How will a slimmed down monarchy under Wm the Terrible look? Who will actually be considered full time “working royals”? Where will all of that sovereign grant money go?
Slimmed down means nothing if the money to fund them doesn’t decrease.
They had better introduce Charlotte to better role models than her mother if they want her to grow up with work ethics.
I highly doubt that we’ll see Charlotte and Louis as librarians or nurses or teachers or some either rewarding career that requires brains and a work ethic with parents like the ones they have.
Surely “full time working royal” is an oxymoron given Mumbles did 90 engagements last year and Top Prince did 126? How many weeks a year does this pair, cough, actually “work” if you count prancing around on a red carpet to show off your embroidered slippers as work? @small slippers energy!
I mean, I hope she does. But it’s not like she’s going to have much of an example to go by, looking at her relatives. I’m not sure Kate knows how to bring up a daughter to do anything besides find a husband.
I cannot imagine consenting, as a parent, to raising my kids in a system that designates heirs and spares. As Harry so rightly said, this just perpetuates generational trauma.
#TeamSparesForever
If Charlotte and Louis wants to see in their future hold, let them look no further than Andrew and Harry.
Though unlikely, I hope that this forward thinking from the heir will extend to allowing the ‘spare’ and her brother the right to pursue their innate interests and talents away from the institution.
Its’ success could translate in them getting the right attention from the right people.
In light of this how would their parents, insufferable royals, deal with the limelight rightfully shifting to the children, in light of their abilities??
This dysfunction is on full display and will be ongoing, unless something forces the senior royals to look beyond their noses.
Charlotte is NOT the spare, it’s Louis and the scapegoating of that poor kid has already begun. Charlotte is way more at ease in public than her brother George, she is already a working royal and that won’t change.
Did you forget the law was changed? Charlotte is the spare (Andrew), Louis is Edward.
I meant in their treatment by the family and the press. Charlotte gets trotted out just as much as George. It’s Louis that will bare the spare burden.
No, Charlotte will be (and already is) treated as the spare. As referenced above, they’re already setting her up to fail with this lie about ‘oh, she won’t be a working royal’. When/if she ends up a working royal, the tabloids will attack her for not getting off the royal dole. George will throw her under the bus while mostly ignoring Louis. Kate will throw her under the bus because she’ll be jealous of any attention CC gets. Louis is Edward – mostly forgotten.
As IF Charles and/or William have plans of any kind. The way they assumed Harry would marry a submissive white blonde and fall into line, showed how taken by surprise they are with anything outside their own experience. Now that I think of it, that’s likely as far as they have got with “planning” for Louis or Charlotte: marry someone meek and rich.
Imo no one in that family after his mother died, except maybe his grandparents to a degree, knew Harry. They never paid attention then bam a grown decent man they did not know was standing up to them
The Wales kids will have no choice in life partners thanks to the BM and the 2013 Succession to the Crown Act. The heir/ess and nos. 2-6 in line to the throne require consent from the sovereign to marry. Chuck and Willie will have a legal say.
C&L absolutly should be allow to decied their own for themselfs.
This is what I see happening:
They most likely gonna take a year off after high school (like their parents), go to university, maybe post grad, military for a few year and then, either work fot the middleton family bussiness or get a job in the private sector.
Also, what about their titles? How is that gonna work?
LOL. What Middleton businesses? Carol(E) is months in arrears and failing to pay the bills on the party tat ‘business’.
Charlotte does not look like a happy child, she simply doesn’t. Neither does her older brother. One can only imagine how unhappy things are at home.