The Department of Justice unsealed Donald Trump’s indictment last Friday, and the federal government seems to have a very strong case. It feels like we’re waiting for the other shoe to drop, right? Like, what will he do, what violence and insurrection will that guy incite this time? Regardless, it feels like seven years after this hellish journey began, we’re in the endgame. It’s very likely that Trump goes to prison for obstruction of justice, mishandling classified documents and violating the Espionage Act. It’s even more likely that he’ll go to prison given the fact that his lawyers are all quitting and he can’t seem to find a half-decent criminal defense attorney to represent him in his trial:
Donald Trump spent the day before his historic appearance in federal court scrambling to find a qualified Florida lawyer willing to join his defense team as he faces the Justice Department’s first prosecution of a former president.
After touching down in Miami on Monday, Trump spent the afternoon interviewing prospective lawyers and meeting with his legal team, along with other top advisers, to discuss the case, in which he is accused of mishandling classified documents and obstructing the government’s efforts to retrieve them, according to people familiar with the sessions. Several prominent Florida attorneys declined to take Trump on as a client after two of the key lawyers handling the documents matter — Jim Trusty and John Rowley — resigned last week, according to people familiar with the matter.
Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing. Veteran Florida litigator Christopher Kise, who joined the team in the fall and has an extensive network in the Florida bar, has led the search for a lawyer and cast a seemingly wide net in the state. Kise declined to comment.
Disagreements over legal strategy have hindered the search for new defense attorneys, according to people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. Some on Trump’s team have pushed to pursue an aggressively partisan strategy in which they would accuse the Justice Department of prosecutorial misconduct and weaponizing the legal system against Trump. The other camp, a person briefed on the situation said, is urging the former president to put together a traditional defense team and believes that the case is winnable at trial through careful jury selection — one juror is all a defendant needs to convince to avoid conviction — and that a scorched-earth strategy could alienate a jury and the country.
The Post then volunteers some names on Trump’s shortlist, and they are a murderer’s row of Florida’s legal dirtbags, many of whom have faced criminal charges themselves. From what I’ve seen of Trump’s taste in lawyers – plus, he has to take whatever slim pickings he can get – he tends to prefer the “mob lawyer” type – someone who seemed “connected,” someone who is used to taking orders from a made guy. I’m just saying, a lot of mobsters retire to Florida. Anyway, this trial is going to be fun – Trump isn’t dicking around with some outer-borough dime-store lawyer, he’s dealing with the full weight of the DOJ and the Office of the Special Counsel. Special Counsel Jack Smith has spent the past ten months putting together an extremely strong case.
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- Former President Donald J. Trump appears in court for his arraignment, in New York City. According to CNN: Former President Donald Trump personally pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree in a Manhattan court after hearing charges against him. The charges stem from an investigation into a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign. Featuring: Donald Trump Where: New York, New York, United States When: 04 Apr 2023 Credit: POOL via CNP/startraksphoto.com
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- Former President Donald J. Trump appears in court for his arraignment, in New York City. According to CNN: Former President Donald Trump personally pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree in a Manhattan court after hearing charges against him. The charges stem from an investigation into a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign. Featuring: Donald Trump Where: New York, New York, United States When: 04 Apr 2023 Credit: POOL via CNP/startraksphoto.com
Considering the end result for his past lawyers – this man is kryptonite.
LMAO I love this for him.
That orange jump suit is going to look so good.
It will match his bizarre orange pallor.
i am not sure he’d be able to maintain that lovely puke-inducing shade of orange in prison. It requires an tanning bed made in 1981 and a bottle of wet n wild desert beige foundation.
That’s a good point. Perhaps after a week or two of stamping out license plates he’ll have earned enough to purchase a few orange highlighters at the commissary, and then he can color himself bright orange again. You know, just to feel a sense of normalcy.
And his hair. However will he maintain his beehive do when he’s in the can?
This all made me lol and I needed that!
On a more sobering note – does he even need a lawyer when he has the bought and paid for judge in his greasy pocket [crying face]
Chanteloup: I’ve been hearing & reading about possibly a change of venue or maybe the judge recusing herself. I’m hoping something like that happens.
Oh @BeanieBean from your mouth to the gods of karma and justice’s ears! It would be a welcome change!
God, I really hope they get him this time. I’m not even American and I can’t stand him. If the jury find him guilty, he will appeal for sure. So it will probably drag on for a long long time. Then again, mother nature might intervene…
I keep imagining Melania visiting him in prison…😂😂
Two of his former lawyers took one look at the indictment and nope’d right on out of there.
He needs a lawyer with a security clearance so they can review the documents in question. Unfortunately for Trump, lawyers with clearances aren’t mob lawyers and don’t take on mob clients.
Exactly this. And lawyers of that caliber like to be paid in full for their work, which the Orange Menace is historically notorious for not doing.
Yep, especially since several parts of the indictment were how he was trying to get his previous attorneys to destroy evidence (oh god, the “plucking” motions) and asking if they could just, oh, ignore federal subpoenas .
Any lawyer who takes him on can kiss goodbye to their career as well as rep plus they won’t get paid – chickens are coming home to roost for him in every way.
What happens if he can’t find a legal team to rep him?
I would assume the state would provide him with a lawyer, like any criminal who can’t afford one?
Nope. Trump can afford one. Public defenders are only assigned to those below a certain income.
there are always attorneys who want to get in with the rich white supremist crowd. he won’t get an elite atty, but he’ll get some atty who is desperate enough for those nazi connections. i think the white glove firms will all shun him, as they should
Exactly. Someone could take this case for free and have 100s come out of the woodwork for the next five years to fill the coffers
Those lawyers left like rats on a sinking ship. They either knew he has no chance of avoiding prison or they’ve turned and are now informants. Either way, he’s screwed methinks. Even my staunch Republican mother thinks he’s guilty.
They wouldn’t leave because they think it’s a dog of a case, they would stay and do their duty to zealously defend their client. They left because he will not allow them to provide effective counsel (i.e. won’t listen to the experts) or because he either made some overture that crossed a line legally or something in the indictment led them to believe that they could be found guilty as accessories if they continued.
I hope he gets an absolute trash monster, bottom of the barrel turd of an attorney, because that’s what he deserves.
You can’t turn and become an informant against your client. You can’t violate attorney/client privilege or move against a client. Those are all violations of our rules of professional conduct and would get you disbarred. More than likely they withdrew because he is a nightmare to deal with and doesn’t listen.
Since Trump is notorious for not paying his bills, I don’t know why anyone would take him on as a client. That being said, he may be found guilty, but there is no way in hell he’s going to do any jail time. He’ll have an ankle bracelet at Mar a Lago at most.
I, for once, don’t agree. We should not expect the best case scenario (which in his case would mean over 100 years in prison), but 5-7 years in federal are realistic.
I disagree. No matter how much he deserves it – and he DOES deserve it – it will not be the look anyone wants for the US to throw a former president in jail. The best thing that can happen is that he is found guilty and dies before sentencing.
Sorry, but I beg to differ, SarahLee. I think it would be healing for the country to see him in jail. Only 1/3 of the country ever supported him, and the vast majority see him as a criminal, including most of the other countries in the world. If he gets off, no one will ever believe it’s because the evidence proved him innocent. Letting him escape culpability for his actions would not send a great message. Justice would send a great message. I could say not my country not my business, but what the US does affects a majority of the world’s countries, especially mine.
Putting him in any federal pokey would be a logistical nightmare for the Secret Service. It wouldn’t surprise me if/when he is convicted they would build a special facility someplace secure like Camp David or another military base where he could be incarcerated, cut off from contact with the outside world and access to him restricted.
How would it be a logistical nightmare if he is in prison, at the same location without ever leaving? That seems easier than what they have to do now
I think he should go to Leavenworth. There’s 5 prisons there and one of them is the U.S.D.B. (United States Disciplinary Barracks). It’s the military’s only maximum security prison housing male service members who were court-marshalled. Trump would be very safe there.
I have to say that in federal court down here, not sure if it’s everywhere, once a lawyer enters an appearance, it’s very difficult to withdraw even if you’re not getting paid. Every good attorney I know down here would demand a very hefty retainer before entering an appearance. I wonder if that has something to do with some lawyers not being interested, besides him being a nightmare to deal with.
I agree. I have no doubt any lawyer who takes him on will be getting paid a huge retainer before even taking the call.
As mentioned above, a big sticking point is he needs a lawyer with a security clearance since the trail is dealing with classified materials. That’s a pretty small pool to draw from and I’m sure they would demand a huge sum in escrow before taking on the case.
I HOPE he gets put away forever! However, that one line worries me – all it takes is one juror. I hope we get through this without any blood shed. I’ve seen comments from people that are pretty much, to me, inciting for violence. I get so frustrated with people defending what Trump has done. I don’t know if they are just blindly following him, thinking this is just political or lacking in the brain! I will be so happy when Trump is behind bars and this is just a horrible nightmare that finally ended!
I worry about that, too. I wish they had set his arraignment for 8AM rather than 3PM, that gives people all day to get there & plan whatever it is they’re going to do.
His case is f**ked, he doesn’t pay his bills, and often the people representing him end up being charged with crimes themselves. The only type going to take this case is someone looking to get famous and make money off the notoriety.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person!
Attorney-client privilege (therefore the can’t be informants)
I believe one of the delays was because they wanted privilege pierced for some specific testimony and it was granted, mainly around the files that were stored in the pool shed/bathroom and the strategy to manage those. Corcoran is going to have to answer questions around that process. So, I wonder if attorneys saw that mess and said, nope, it couldn’t be me.
Not always true. Privilege is not in place when discussing a future crime. That’s how his former attorney is now a witness in the case – because Trump told him to lie in response to the subpoena. Can’t do that, and no privilege is in place for those types of conversations.
Any Lawyer who signs up, may I recommend getting your Money/Fees upfront, this man doesn’t pay his bills.
A former president who is under constant Secret Service protection (for the rest of his life) going to jail? Not gonna happen. Its a crazy dream.
More likely, he would be placed under ‘house arrest’ at ONE of his properties…. one without guests….and SS would act as his jailers.
Honestly, no one knows how it would be done but I sure won’t bet on him sitting in some Club-Fed no matter the outcome. Personally, I’d like to see him take the Unabomber’s now empty cell.
Surely after being convicted he’ll lose SS protection.
Unfortunately, according to lawyers, he wont. He MIGHT lose his pension….so there is that! On the plus side, the government would no longer have to pay HIM to house his SS agents….so that would be the only cost saving he ever provided! Watch that deficit go down, down, down!. Oh, and they can fine him!
Not automatically, and I do not see Biden or any other President pulling security from him. Whether we like it or not, he is a former President and therefore a target. If kidnapped, the guy would sing like a canary in about 2 minutes.
Isn’t that what solitary confinement is for? Keep you safe, and no one to talk to? He can have his buddy Epstein’s cell.
What the hell?!? Why should he be treated special? He’s a garbage piece of shit, toss him into general population and things will work themselves out 😂
I think he’s going to be in special protection, not general population, no matter what. I could see house arrest, but it wouldn’t be a property we know about, especially considering at least two of his properties are scenes of his espionage crime. I think the nature and number of crimes might preclude house arrest though. I don’t know, the only espionage cases I know about are sentenced very harshly.
My dad is a retired criminal defense attorney, and has represented some truly difficult clients, including some who were severely mentally ill. When Trump’s lawyers resigned, my dad said he couldn’t believe it had taken as long as it did, and that there was not enough money in the world to convince him to take on as a client (not that any one working for Trump would ever get paid, anyway). He thinks some of his mentally ill clients were probably easier to control than Trump, who apparently has some pathological inability to just SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. And that inability will likely play a “yuuuge” part in his downfall, even if he has the best lawyer in the country. Which he obviously, hilariously, will not.
No lawyer in their right mind would want to take on this case and not just because the evidence is so strong against him. It’s also become clear in the last few years that Trump doesn’t follow the most basic legal advice. Lawyers don’t want clients who are so out of control. And Trump still wants Roy Cohn who has been dead for years as his lawyer. Of course he does! Cohn was the ultimate mob lawyer. Ironically, if he had never run for president, this criminal could have probably just continued criming for the rest of his life.
Didn’t Cohn do some representation of the Rosenbergs?
They made out well!
No, Cohn was the prosecutor in the Rosenberg case and claimed that they were sentenced to death on his personal recommendation to Judge Kaufman. The whole case was unsurprisingly riddled with prosecutorial misconduct. Julius Rosenberg was guilty but didn’t receive a fair trial and would likely not have been executed had the trial had an ethical prosecutor, and Ethel was essentially murdered by the state.
Thank you Miranda.
I recalled he had something to do with it…..just not which side.
So, Trump really does want a KILLER lawyer!
He prosecuted (& helped sentence to death) the Rosenbergs. He also helped McCarthy with the Red Scare witch hunts. And Cohn basically MADE Trump with his own mob connections. He was a piece of work.
His AIDS quilt square is interesting, tho: “Bully Coward Victim.”
No problem, Renae! My grandparents were Communists and actually somewhat acquainted with the Rosenbergs, so I grew up hearing my grandma rather aggressively educate people who got the story twisted, lol.
@FlamesSuspenders – How dare you, that is SLANDER! He died of liver cancer! /s 😒😒
Who in the world would represent him? He lies all the time – to his own lawyers and many of them end up facing criminal charges themselves. He’s a one man crime wave, and you cannot be part of a crime in progress as an attorney. He doesn’t follow sound legal advice, even simple advice like shut your trap don’t discuss the case. That’s because he thinks he knows more than his lawyers, he fancies himself as a genius when he’s just a dumb ass. And then, as everyone else has pointed out, he doesn’t pay his bills.
His pattern of not paying people and tanking their businesses has FINALLY caught up to him. Remember the small business manufacturer of the pianos he screwed over after the pianos were delivered to his businesses – he never paid the bill. By the time that poor man got a dime it was barely worth a nickel. He had to hire attorneys file a lawsuit, etc. And there are hundreds of people like him – that’s how Trump does business. His pattern and practice is to screw people over.
I said when he was elected we would never recover. Some people thought it was hyperbole but look at the path of destruction and death he has left in his wake. Thousands and thousands died of Covid cause this man is a science denier whose only qualifications were being on a reality show and being a racist. He had never served one day in government and could not pass a fifth grade civics test. The Capitol got attacked, people died, and a confederate flag flew in it – that imagery is burned in history and our collective brains now. He has destroyed this country and the voters helped him do it. Watch White women will flock to the polls to vote for him AGAIN after all this shit. They would vote for him despite a prison sentence. Shame on them. Seriously, shame on anyone who ever voted for this turd.
One article I read about him back when he was first running stated he had 31,000 small business men and contractors during his time in NY. He told everyone of them to sue him, knowing most of them couldn’t afford it. He’s responsible for tanking a ton of businesses with his thievery.
Yes, he destroyed a lot of businesses in the NYC area. He also irrevocably damaged many lives.
Exactly @Lady D and Blithe! He should have been up on some sort of fraud charges back then! He secured services and goods without any intention of ever paying for them. It’s infuriating how many lives and businesses he has ruined.
Yup. I know at least 2 people who had business dealings with him. He screwed over both of them and they both hate him, but the one was in politics and a Republican so of course toed the party line. The other was a relative of a friend almost went out of business, supplying stuff for one of the AC casinos and then not getting paid.
He tried the typical “your work was shit, I’m not going to pay you, just sue me” on that guy, which always makes me think about him crowing about hiring “the best people” and then saying they were crap so he could avoid paying. EVERY. TIME.
My father idioically will vote for him again because he claims Biden is losing him money. The way people can so easily turn a blind eye to Trump is disgusting. He literally could kill someone and people would say well if he saves me some money, lets give him a pass.
@Andrea I know people like this too. I can’t speak for your dad because I don’t know him, but with the people I know who are MAGA, they have the reason they say they are voting for him (he tells it like it is! etc.) and then there’s the real reason they support him. What I found in my own life is that the people I know that tend to be bullies support him. The people I know that are closet racists support him. Narcissists who think the rules don’t apply to them but apply to everyone else (especially Brown and Black people) love him. The people I know that are abusive towards women will vote for him. They see themselves in him and he gives them permission to be their rude, obnoxious, racist, abusive selves.
@SideEye: I agree with you. I take no pleasure in seeing him on trial-it is horrifying that a former POTUS would commit treason and millions of people support him. He has evaded consequences his entire life and like all malignant narcissists he will burn it all down around him if he feels endangered. After living through the last 7 years of him, the aftermath of destroying all faith in institutions such as the CDC, the FBI, the Supreme Court, the insurrection, Covid I am not hopeful.
@MaryContrary exactly! Omg those years. I close my eyes and go right back to that stress level. Every time there was breaking news my heart would sink. It was this constant feeling of panic because there was no adult in charge. I felt like I was a child in a car with a drunk driver at the wheel and I’m trying to get out but the child lock is on. It was just the worst feeling. NYC was an actual morgue – body bags everywhere and hotels converted into hospitals for those dying of Covid. His nonstop fanning the flames of racism and every time he opened his stupid mouth to insult someone new the hairs on my neck would stand up on end and my lips would purse. We alienated our allies – who the hell will trust us after this national security nightmare? The voters are too stupid or too racist to even be outraged. We don’t grow or learn and it’s terrifying.
THIS.
Cut to Ralph Macchio saying, “My cousin Vinny!”
Maga= making attorneys get attorneys. Saw it on Twitter awhile back. Sign on with him and this is what happens.
Oh, I am so going to steal this!
I’d like to be optimistic, but there’s that judge…
100% this issue!
THIS! The judge is a Trump appointee who has ruled in favor of Trump before.
That judge is so bad it pains us all.
Did anyone else see Trump’s new ad where he took a monogue straight out of Affleck/Damon’s movie Air to narrate the commercial? It’s truly disgusting. Once a thief, always a thief.
I could see someone taking the case who is guaranteed payment by some rich Trump supporter or someone who is an insane right wing racist nationalist. But anyone with a brain is going to steer clear of this chump. I find it interesting that those fine upstanding young men, Don, Jr. and Eric have not uttered a peep. However, between the judge and my general skepticism, I just don’t know what will happen. The fact that these Republicans are out in force defending him (he did nothing wrong, what about Hilary? what about Hunter Biden?) just makes me want to throw up.
Kaiser, bonus points from me, a retired journalist, for using “dicking around:” Trump isn’t dicking around with some outer-borough dime-store lawyer….”
What lawyer in their right mind would rep Trump?
Career killer.
Man, I want to feel hopeful, but my heart sank when I heard this is going down in Florida. Having lived there for 14 years, and having been tangentially involved in the politics there, picture the most fetid, swampiest swamp imaginable, then add another layer of sleaze. The corruption goes to the bone. Anyone interested in a very colorful and darkly hilarious history of how Florida became the place we know it to be today should read Diane Roberts’s book Dream State: Eight Generations of Swamp Lawyers, Conquistadors, Confederate Daughters, Banana Republicans, and Other Florida Wildlife. It explains a lot.
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About 20 years ago in Matt Gaetz country there was some shady real estate deal that involved people shuttling around big wads of cash in what was repeatedly described as a collard greens pot. And then one of the people involved went missing, and they found him weeks later in a house crawl space and he had apparently gone into the crawl space and drank a beer bottle full of anti-freeze? But then it turned out the crawl space property belonged to someone else who was involved in the shady deal? It was wild. That’s all to the best of my memory – we were hit with Hurricane Ivan right around that time and all that went to the back burner. Back then it was better known as Joe Scarborough country, and that had its own set of wild stories. I hate it here. So much.
Here is a link to the story – there are some grim details, so be warned. Also he was under one of his employee’s homes, not a fellow politician’s home. https://ricksblog.biz/in-2005-mysterious-death-of-willie-junior/
Uff. What a story. South Florida gets the attention, but the gulf panhandle’s batshittery is basically a Faulkner novel, but less…fun.
@Frankly I left Florida for good last November. I’m a political refugee, back in Connecticut, my home state. Believe me when I say that I had to get out of that cesspool.
Thanks for the book rec! I’ve read the novels of Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry which have formed my view of Florida, looks like Roberts verifies it.
You’re welcome! Her book Tribal, on the history and culture of college football, using the lunacy of Bama and FSU programs as prime examples, is also brilliant and hilarious. It’s my go-to gift for the sporty people in my life, but also great for people like me who absolutely *loathe* football.
Not me with the bigliest crush on 🔥 Jack Smith
Better call Saul!
I can see Trump being sentenced but I can’t see him literally going to prison. It will be interesting to see how they handle the” imprisonment” of a former president.
Trump is being openly referred to by many lawyers as a nightmare client. He refuses to take advice from his legal team, constantly goes off script, stiffs them, and tries to get them involved in his multitudinous crimes. Any Fla lawyer in his/her right mind won’t touch him with a 10 foot pole, and several who have worked for him are now facing possible disbarment. Then there’s the “tainted by association” issue — this is a former US president who has risked the lives and safety of many, many people by stealing and sharing thousands of highly secret documents. He’s calling for violence against Jack Smith, Merrick Garland, Fani Willis, Letitia James AND THEIR FAMILIES. No matter what side of the political divide you’re on, this is the ranting of a psychotic monster. I doubt he’ll find anyone worth their legal salt willing to take all that sh*t on unless it’s some shady one-person, strip-mall ambulance chaser.
@Jaded I’m not shocked but I should be. Do you have a link?
@Trillion — it’s horrifying isn’t it. I hope there aren’t violent protests in Miami today. Google “Trump threatens people on Truth Social” and you’ll get a ton of stuff. Fulton County DA Fani Willis has already made plans to have most of her staff work from home during his indictment in Georgia next month, and has alerted the local police force, the FBI and Secret Service to surround the courthouse. What has America become….SMH.
Kari Lake inciting gun violence and not even being subtle about it: “If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and 75 million Americans just like me. And most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement”
https://www.newsweek.com/kari-lake-issues-nra-warning-over-donald-trump-indictment-not-threat-1805721
And these folks want you to think trans people are some kind of emergency problem.
“ After being notified that at least four of his lawyers weren’t certified to represent him in South Florida, former state solicitor general Christopher Kise joined his legal team Tuesday.”
Just to state generally that while Biden and other POTUSes plus various officials have COOPERRATED with the Feds to return any classified docs, Take-A-💩 refused to do what he was supposed to do concerning all of that PLETHORA of confidential paperwork. Again, he and his MAGATIZED supporters THOUGHT that he was NEVER going to get caught and that he–their IDOL–could get by/be above the law! #FATCHANCE!
Didn’t read all the comments yet, but one legal expert said that it’s possible for Trump to be both in jail and President of the United States at the same time. I kid you not. Good Lord, what a pass we have come to!!!!
Pull his passport = flight risk.
I honestly can not picture a former POTUS going to jail. Still hope it happens.
Change the law to forbid any candidate for POTUS to run if they have ANY criminal charges in their history! Except parking/speeding tickets only.
Look I don’t care how they word it but, something has to be done to make it impossible for this scum to ever hold any office again.
Is Jared and Ivanka up for anything?
We know Don is not the only one selling the USA out.
I get your point — but I disagree, particularly if you’re talking “charges” vs convictions. Some of us are disproportionately hit with unsubstantiated criminal charges for breathing and existing while Black and Brown. I’d be happy to agree with you whenever the US “justice” system and every police force in America is both functional and actually fair.
There’s no need — IMO — to generalize from Trump’s own lifelong history of egregious and criminal behavior to forbidding other candidates from running for political office. Something does have to be done, especially with white collar criminals . One of those somethings could include educational standards that support critical thinking. It’s understandable that a blatant criminal might run for office. It’s somewhat less understandable that millions of voters think that’s just fine.
Charges aren’t convictions, and people who are convicted of misdemeanor crimes that are not “crimes of moral turpitude” should not be excluded from holding office. Also, Trump didn’t have charges of any kind in his history prior to very recently, despite being a criminal for more than 50 years.
I would get on board with a change to the requirements for higher office that bars anyone convicted of a crime of moral turpitude (significant theft, fraud, deliberate violence) from holding office, but just “crimes” in general is too broad and charges don’t always result in convictions.
ETA, I walked away to get dinner started and Blithe beat me to it, lol! Love this community.
I was just watching live coverage on ABC. One of the comentators contrasted the carnival (yes, they are all a bunch of carnies) going on outside and to the gravity of what is going on inside of the courthouse. Of course the rubes think it’s all a joke.
And then his “spokesmodel”: Joe, Hillary and he’s the victim on repeat.
They also said that an anti-Trump protestor went into the maga crowd dressed in an orange jumpsuit and that the person was quickly surrounded by trump supporters. The police went in quickly to shut that sh** down.
One of the rubes has a sign that says “indict Jack Smith”. I would ask them to explain that. They would not be able to.
A bunch of gaslighting. “It’s a sad day for America”. Yeah, it’s a sad day for a America because of YOU and your crimes against America.
Well the media far outnumbered the Trump loyalists, there were um, dozens of protestors, maybe several dozens that showed up. Just like the indictments in Manhattan. Smith was there and left with his chief prosecutor in this case, looking very buddy buddy.
Fani Wills’ indictments are next, roughly the beginning of August! (The Georgians tape recorded everything) Plenty to look forward to.
Trump has pleaded Not Guilty on 6/13/23.
There are photos of boxes and boxes at M-A-Lago.
How is NG even allowed to be entered?
Did those boxes magically appear?
Geez. This is BS.
I’m sure this is rhetorical, but that is his answer to the charges against him. Now the state has to prove those charges beyond a reasonable doubt, as determined by a jury of 12 citizens (I would say “of his peers” which is the usul expression, but lort I hope not.)
The process is vitally important. Despite the presence of boxes of documents in his bathroom, neither he nor any other person accused of a crime can be convicted without a trial or forced to plead guilty against their will. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.
Just an FYI to add to the great comments. I’ve heard top law firms described as white collar and white glove, but the correct term is actually white shoe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-shoe_firm
The Judge in charge has huge powers and can even dismiss the jury and rule herself apparently and there is no appeal if she choses this route. I heard this from a legal expert but perhaps someone here can give more information if this will be allowed as she had been shown to be biased already.
If Cannon does not voluntarily recuse herself from Trump’s case, prosecutors could file a motion with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit requesting that she be removed on grounds that her impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Prosecutors may also wait for her to make an objectionable ruling that can be appealed pre-trial, and request that the 11th Circuit order the Chief Justice in the Southern District of Florida reassign the case on remand.