Sophie Turner accused Joe Jonas of ‘wrongfully retaining’ their two daughters

During the Labor Day-week where Joe Jonas was trying to smear Sophie Turner as a partier and an unfit mother, there was an undercurrent to the reporting that everything fell apart between them this year, especially when Sophie went back to work in the UK. Sophie had been primarily living in America since she and Joe got together (when she was 19) and they bought a home in Florida, thinking it would give them more privacy. Still, Sophie indicated in many interviews that she missed living in England and she would love to raise her children there and not America. Well, all of it was connected – Sophie has filed a lawsuit in Manhattan, suing Joe to get access to their daughters and for Joe to relinquish their daughters’ passports. It’s messy messy.

Sophie Turner is asking for her kids to be returned to England. In a lawsuit filed in a Manhattan court on Thursday and obtained by PEOPLE, the Game of Thrones alum, 27, has requested that her two kids — Willa, 3, and a daughter, identified in previous court docs as D., 14 months — be returned to England. The complaint against estranged husband Joe Jonas calls for “the immediate return of children wrongfully removed or wrongfully retained,” with Turner’s legal team asserting the “wrongful retention” began on Sept. 20.

Turner claims that she and the musician, 34, agreed to declare England their “forever home” in conversations that took place over Christmas 2022 as they prepped for the year ahead. The couple sold the Miami home they previously resided in and were in the process of buying a home in the English countryside in April, the documents allege, at which point Turner began filming on the Joan mini-series she has worked on this summer.

Once Jonas began touring with The Jonas Brothers, the documents claim the two agreed to let the girls join him because he had more daytime hours to be available to them than Turner did amid filming, noting she had “hesitation” about the “temporary arrangement.”

Turner alleges that the breakdown of their marriage happened “very suddenly” after an argument on Aug. 15, with Jonas filing for divorce on Sept. 5 and the Dark Phoenix actress learning about their split “from the media” days later. The issue of custody came to a head when the two met up to discuss the next steps after their split two weeks later, Turner’s petition claims, at which point she “reiterated” the plan to move to England and was met with a change of heart by Jonas.

According to the documents, “The Father has possession of the children’s passports. He refuses to return the passports to the Mother and refuses to send the children home to England with the Mother.”

Jonas’ attorney allegedly confirmed to Turner’s legal team on Sept. 19 that he would not be returning the passports and would not provide consent for his daughters to move, the documents claim.

[From People]

While I’ve been on Sophie’s side for much of Joe’s smear campaign, I have to quibble about “refuses to send the children home to England.” While both of their daughters are apparently dual citizens, the girls were born in America, have an American father and have lived the bulk of their lives in America. It’s not like Joe and Sophie were completely set up in England this whole time. But I digress, because Joe is making a similar point. His team reacted swiftly and issued a scathing statement:

On Thursday, a representative for Joe Jonas, 34, shared a statement obtained by PEOPLE in response to his estranged wife’s lawsuit that alleges he is not letting the couple’s two kids — Willa, 3, and a 14-month-old daughter — return to England.

“After multiple conversations with Sophie, Joe initiated divorce proceedings in Florida, as Florida is the appropriate jurisdiction for the case. Sophie was aware that Joe was going to file for divorce. The Florida Court has already entered an order that restricts both parents from relocating the children. Sophie was served with this order on September 6, 2023, more than two weeks ago,” the statement reads.

“Joe and Sophie had a cordial meeting this past Sunday in New York, when Sophie came to New York to be with the kids. They have been with her since that meeting. Joe’s impression of the meeting was that they had reached an understanding that they would work together towards an amicable co-parenting setup.”

The statement alleges that less than 24 hours after the “amicable co-parenting setup” was agreed upon, “Sophie advised that she wanted to take the children permanently to the UK. Thereafter, she demanded via this filing that Joe hand over the children’s passports so that she could take them out of the country immediately. If he complies, Joe will be in violation of the Florida Court order.”

The statement asserts that the musician is “seeking shared parenting with the kids so that they are raised by both their mother and father, and is, of course, also okay with the kids being raised both in the U.S. and the UK,” but also alleges that the children “have spent the vast majority of their lives in the U.S.” Though the statement notes the children are American citizens, both children have dual citizenship in both the United States and England.

“This is an unfortunate legal disagreement about a marriage that is sadly ending. When language like ‘abduction’ is used, it is misleading at best, and a serious abuse of the legal system at worst. The children were not abducted,” the statement says. “After being in Joe’s care for the past three months at the agreement of both parties, the children are currently with their mother. Sophie is making this claim only to move the divorce proceedings to the UK and to remove the children from the U.S. permanently.”

“Joe has already disavowed any and all statements purportedly made on his behalf that were disparaging of Sophie. They were made without his approval and are not consistent with his views. His wish is that Sophie reconsider her harsh legal position and move forward in a more constructive and private manner. His only concern is the well-being of his children,” the statement concludes.

[From People]

I’m not sure if I should say what I really think because you guys might yell at me but… I think Joe realized months ago that it was a very good possibility that his marriage would end soon enough, and he took steps to ensure that their daughters were with him in America as the marriage ended, so he would have all of his legal ducks in a row and he could control the jurisdiction. Think about how differently this would have gone if Sophie had the girls with her in the UK and Joe filed for divorce in Florida and Sophie refused to budge – it would have been an international incident and a huge jurisdictional problem. But, that being said, Joe being smart and thinking a few steps ahead isn’t “abduction.” As Joe’s statement says (and he seems to have all of the legal docs to back it up) – he got the Florida family court to issue an “order that restricts both parents from relocating the children. Sophie was served with this order on September 6, 2023.” Joe had a vision that this would happen and he took steps to ensure that he protected his custodial rights. Sophie is trying to muddy the jurisdictional issue and fudge the residency issue. You can’t just declare out of nowhere that two minor children born in America need to be “returned to their home in England.”

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  1. Arizona says:

    when he came out swinging so hard right out of the gate that she was an absent partying mother who didn’t really want kids, I knew it was going to be about a custody battle so that she wouldn’t take them to the UK. I’m not sure who’s advising him, but this can’t be a good tactic. and his reasoning makes no sense to me.

    not following agreed to plans and withholding the kids from going with their mother doesn’t play well in court. he should talk to Kelly Rutherford.

    • Arizona says:

      also, if what she wrote in her filing is accurate, they entered into a longterm lease in England, with plans to buy a specific property in England by the end of the year, and enrolled their older daughter into a school program in England. and they sold their Florida home – so they can’t relocate from Florida, but they don’t have a home in Florida, they have one in the UK lol.

      sounds like they were based in the UK for the last year and went traveling with their dad over the summer. I don’t think he’s in the right as long as what she says is accurate and she’s got documentation to prove their plans.

      • Arizona says:

        @Maryanne but my question is that they sold their Miami home and are renting a property in England so where exactly are they located in Florida? because they’re in NY currently. they can’t relocate from Florida but it doesn’t seem like they actually have a location in Florida.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        There’s an invasion of JoBro fans here today…..

      • Hannah says:

        If it’s true there is a court order barring relocation, then that is the only relevant legal argument until that order is vacated by a judge. Even if they were in agreement about relocating, they would still legally be in contempt of the order.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I dunno, yeah he’s gunning for full custody (which is just a complete controlling move from him nothing else – he wants to use the kids to control her) but there is more to this. The way he got very nasty straight out tells me he’s hiding something and was trying to setup the victim narrative that blew up in his face (his statement yesterday basically confirmed those ‘bad mother/ring doorbell footage drama’ stories came from his camp). He wants/wanted to destroy her – how’s that working for now little Joe!!!

      The Florida ruling about not taking the kids out of the country isn’t an excuse for him to keep their passports – its about control and emotional blackmail!!! She is clearly not playing and it looks like she has a stronger case than him (hence him keeping the passports).

      He tried to play her but she’s turned the tables on him pretty quickly – given the dragging he’s getting I wonder how long it will take for him to back down. His image is EVERYTHING to him. Even some of his fans are calling him out.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah the passport thing is super controlling and there’s no real excuse for that. Sophie Turner isn’t going to take the kids to the UK and never let them come back to the US in direct violation of a US custody order. This isnt a regular marriage, this is high profile and I think an irony here is that had Joe not come out swinging so much with the smear campaign, the press might not be as involved. But now we are all watching this so keeping the passports seems a lot more nefarious than just “complying with the Florida order”.

        I really think he thought being JOE JONAS was going to be enough to get everyone on his side and its just not.

      • Maryanne says:

        Florida court specifically said not to relocate the kids which is what Sophie trying to do. Also Lawyers might advised their client to not give kids passport because if he give and sophie does the same thing. Maybe he doesn’t want uk court involved where sophie already file for custody. If i was his lawyer , i would advise him to try and find solution in us court.

      • Maryanne says:

        @Arizona its mostly not to relocate outside of USA. I dont where jonas have home but according to court both the parents are not allowed to relocate outside of usa because it will get complicated .

      • Jais says:

        Idk but they’ve been living in the UK since at least April and presumably have contract negotiations on a house in the UK. They sold their house in florida. They have nursery school in the UK. Jo said he wanted them for a month while she was working and he was on tour giving her the impression that they’d return to their rental house in the uk. And then he just kept them. And filed in florida where they don’t even rent anymore. That is terrifying.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      Exactly Arizona, Joe’s legal counsel s**ks, who’s advising him?
      He’s acting worse and worse.

      Something that the article above is missing is that her filing is indicating she’s invoked the Hague Convention under English/Welsh Law, more or less she’s put black on white that he’s ‘kidnapped’ the kids and now that she’s in the USA with them she cannot leave.

      To me this sounds worse than anything I’ve read in celebrity divorces (when with small kids) in the last few years.

      • Maryanne says:

        @alphinewitch you have reading problem. Check what joe jonas said on his statement. The flordia court order both the parents are not allowed to relocate the kids. if he allow them he will be in trouble with the law. How is that kidnapping when she stays with the kids?

      • AlpineWitch says:

        “you have reading problem. Check what joe jonas said on his statement. ”

        His statement to TMZ was not ‘legal’, I was referring to her filing in my comment.

        Also why did he file in Florida if he doesn’t own a house there anymore?

      • Maryanne says:

        @alphinewitch when does i ever said i was jj fan? Stop accusing someone without any proof. I only know jonas brother because of Priyanka and i live in asia and i have no idea about Jonas brother. He filed in flordia because thats the last us residence before they live in uk , now he might be staying hotels because of tour.

      • superashes says:

        @alpinewitch – You hit the nail on the head, he is filing in Florida because he thinks he will get a better outcome.

        This guy is garbage, he routinely tried to hook up with women much younger than him while bandying about with his purity ring (including Gigi Hadid when she was 14 and he was 21 or so), and eventually married Sophie who he initially hooked up with when she was 20. Sophie was a SAHM for most of their marriage and the writing on the wall very much reads that he got angry when she finally revived her career to take a role in the UK rather than continuing to care for their children full time while he was on yet another tour with his boy band. He is just absolute garbage, in general and specifically for this.

        They had an agreement to live in the UK, they were in the process of building a house there and already renting a place in the UK and sold their house in the US, and he went ahead with filing for divorce without even telling her in advance in Florida specifically to throw a wrench in those plans. Absolute trash.

      • Becks1 says:

        If he has no basis to file in Florida, then its a relatively simple matter to change venues to where it IS appropriate to file.

    • ELX says:

      The Hague Convention will apply here and that means jurisdiction is determined by the residency of the minor children—that’s it. Jonas clearly planned for this, but it’s sounds like matters were in flux and this is shaping up to be a very nasty evidentiary battle over where those those kids actually live and whether false representations were made, for instance to a Florida court, etc.

      Kelly R’s situation is instructive—she actually lied to have her former husband lose his visa status in order to retain the children and essentially deny him any physical custody. How did that work out for her? Her children live in Monaco with their father.

      Shenanigans aimed at denying the other parent custody tend to go badly for the party that initiated those tactics.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        If memory serves me well, Kelly had her husband removed from the USA under lies of a fraud in his name in order to keep the kids in the USA and retain full physical custody as he’d have been impossible for him to have a 50/50 arrangement in the US at that point.
        I think all that factored in the judge’s decision to send them to the dad as she could actually travel.

      • Readhead77 says:

        I believe he lost his passport because he lied or commit some type of fraud, I forget about what, and her team reported the violation. Obviously whatever she reported he actually did or he wouldn’t have lost his ability to enter the US. But because he wasn’t allowed to come back to the US to visit the kids and that was partly her fault, the judge had to send the kids to live with their dad because otherwise they wouldn’t see him. Legally, it was a bit of a dubious decision because jurisdiction was clearly in the US, but once they were sent to Monaco, he could file custody over there. And then she refused to give the kids back to him when they visited her and that’s where she ended up getting her custody seriously limited. She also had bad lawyers and her ex had more money.

    • snappyfish says:

      I have duel citizenship. I hold two passports. I’m guessing the children do too. They should agree on a schedule and move on. Sadly, this is what happens when you marry a douche

    • MoxyLady007 says:

      Assuming that she just got them back and realizes the extent to which she has been alienated from them – culturally as well as as their mother. She sees what kind of AH she’s up against and she doesn’t want it.

      Joe taking his time and methodically planning how to get rid of someone who isn’t under his thumb for a few months is terrifying and shows the hallmarks of so many abusers.

      He tricked her into leaving them with him. She was working in England to set up the life they had agreed they wanted as a family. She was trying to make their dream come true.

      But Joe loves FLORIDA. and ring cam spying. And being a controlling prick. And keeping their daughters close to his sociopathic mother.

      By all accounts S has been the more constant present stable parent. Except when she was scammed into believing he would take care of their kids while she prepped for their future. God that must hurt. Being away from such little ones. Assuming they had visits planned that he did not follow through on.

      God what a horrific mess. Thoughts and best wishes to S and her two little girls.

      Jj can eat sh!t

  2. GrnieWnie says:

    You know, where the kids have spent the majority of their lives at this point (they’re what, 18 months and 3?) is largely irrelevant to who they are. Defining them as more American is premature…what determines their home is the parents primary residence and she seems to be claiming that they had relocated to England. I mean, sure, the kids have American citizenship and were born to an American father in the US. They also have UK citizenship and were born to a UK mother who happened to be abroad at the time but has now returned home. There’s two ways to spin that story.

    Whether you’re a native-born citizen or you receive a certificate of birth abroad is really only relevant to how your children’s citizenship will be treated. For you, it doesn’t establish stronger legal ties to one country over another. My child has two certificates of birth abroad (two citizenships) and zero legal claims to the actual place where he was born…immigration regulation is arbitrary on so many levels. Their kids have equal legal claims to the UK and the US; how those claims are treated in international custody cases is a different matter.

    • ML says:

      First off, international divorces with children and fighting is an effing disaster. This sucks.

      Next, as an American expat, I take issue with the citizens argument as well. My kids are both.

      Sophie Turner was fairly public about her mental health and missing the UK well before (years?) her marriage imploded. They did sell the Florida home. The kids were in the UK as late as this summer. My guess is there’s something of a paper trail and that’s why JJ ran to a bunch of divorce lawyers in CA, but decided to use FL as his base. He’s effing scum and I truly hope Sophie wins. It’s a really sucky situation.

      • GrnieWnie says:

        @ML Exactly, right? Any expat whose done a third culture thing for their child will be side-eyeing claims that these kids are somehow more American in any legal sense.

      • superashes says:

        Total scum, couldn’t agree more. Going to Florida specifically to try to game the system after they all agreed to live in the UK is just gross. Almost as gross as his publicly shaming his wife for not wanting to go out often enough after having two kids, then springing a divorce filing on her and taking a private photo from her at a wrap party in the UK to publicly smear her as excessively drinking.

        I can’t believe his misogynistic 1950’s bs narrative actually took hold in some of the comments on this website of all places. Going out to dinner with a friend isn’t partying. I repeat, going out with friends to dinner is not partying. I don’t care if that friend is Hillary Clinton, Taylor Swift or Paris Hilton.

    • Lux says:

      I appreciate your comment/perspective. Growing up internationally as a third culture kid whilst only holding one passport and citizenship has forced me to redefine the concept of “home.” Legally, I belong to a country that many others don’t officially recognize, and navigating that has been an experience all on its own.

      What I want to point out is how glib assumptions like a “forever home” are and how flawed the idea that living somewhere your whole (young) life is a predictor of your future life. We are all in flux—I also hate to say it as well, but I’m not sure Sophie has a case. Talking about moving somewhere permanently before the dissolution of your marriage is not legally binding and it seems like the best they can do IS shared custody. If she insists on making the UK her children’s home base and Joe disagrees…yeah, it’s gonna get messy.

      • Josephine says:

        I agree. All of these discussions of what she wanted, her mental health, and even their apparent agreement means very little to nothing. This is only about the kids, and if the parents insist on two different home bases, the kids will be shuttling back and forth. The real question is where the kids will go to school. Beyond that, both of them are wealthy and need to immediately wrap their heads around having homes in both countries. The first parent to make that move is in better position imo.

      • GrnieWnie says:

        @Lux that’s exactly what I was thinking. So the 3-year-old has spent her life in America. Big deal? That doesn’t mean she’ll spend the rest of her life there and she’s too young to have formed a cultural identity (which forms largely through school). Like I said, there’s a whole other version to the story where her British mum was only temporarily in the States and always intended for the children to grow up in the UK. It’s often the case that parents live abroad until their kids are school aged, then return to their home country to enroll their kids in school.

        Seems like whether or not they actually made the move before the divorce (they sold their Florida house and rented a house in the UK; Joe would be hard pressed to explain why they did that if they didn’t intend to actually relocate) will be pretty pertinent, but I think they’re probably going to end up with a very binational lifestyle: kids in UK during school, US with dad in the summer.

    • Sugarhere says:

      @GRNIEWNIE, Very insightful! I rushed to write my post in anger before reading yours. Glad I’m not alone taking that stance.

  3. ThatsNotOkay says:

    It the parents agreed the family was going to move, then one of them changes his mind and files for divorce, that IS a huge legal matter the courts need to weigh in on. Unless Sophie was doing something terrible (the planted partying stories), Joe didn’t have a good reason to backtrack. They sold their Miami home. That IS a jurisdiction issue because the kids might not technically reside there any longer And just because Joe served her with an order doesn’t mean anything—she has every right to contest it. You can serve anyone with anything. That doesn’t mean squat..

    • Vs says:

      If no paper was signed… how does she have any ground? How do you prove verbal agreement unless you record it?

      • sevenblue says:

        @Vs, There is a paper trail: they were renting in UK to buy a property (I am sure they sent proposals with intent to buy), one of the children is enrolled into an UK school before Joe agreed to take them with him while Sophie is working. So, it is not just “he said, she said”. Joe isn’t even denying these statements.

    • Becks1 says:

      There actually is a good reason to backtrack though – the marriage is ending. So what was acceptable 6 months ago (i.e. the whole family was going to move to the UK together) may not be acceptable to him now (that sophie moves there with the kids full time while he stays in the US.)

      That’s not to say that Sophie won’t or shouldn’t get primary custody, but like I said below….it may get messy and complicated.

      • Lux says:

        I agree. What does a lack of US residential property prove? Is it hard for either of them to rent until they buy? No. Can the girls easily enroll in any school of their choice? Yes. For regular people who are forced to travel overseas for work, would you need to buy a place before relocating your family? No.

        If the paperwork to buy a country home hasn’t gone through, I’m not sure what that proves. More likely than not, even if Sophie buys the property on her own, she will be renting with the girls until it is fully renovated/redecorated to her satisfaction. I mean, let’s not pretend celebrities are “move-in ready” types of homeowners.

      • Steph says:

        Even if they never completed buying the home, wouldn’t there be a paper trail of the beginning of the process with both their signatures? Don’t you have to at least sign a contract with a real estate agent?

      • Becks1 says:

        @Steph, sure, there’s likely some sort of paper trail which I think will help Sophie with the whole “she’s trying to abduct the children” argument that Joe seems like he’s on the verge of making (or outright making it.) but a judge isn’t going to insist that the children live in the UK full time and that Joe Jonas has forefeited any argument that they should live even PT in the US because he and Sophie were going to buy a house together when they were married.

    • GrnieWnie says:

      Agreed, jurisdiction and the parents’ primary residence go hand-in-hand. I don’t think it matters if Joe changed his mind if they already established a primary residence in the UK.

      A lack of property in the US (the fact that they sold their US property) absolutely gives credence to having recently established residence in the UK. Speaking out of my arse here because I’m not a lawyer but have waded through the complexities of nationality vs residence before.

      • superashes says:

        Lawyer here and I agree as well. Domicile comes down to the parties’ intent on where they want to reside, and up until his surprise divorce filing out of Florida despite having already sold their house there, that was the UK.

  4. Loretta says:

    The sad thing about this divorce is that these two adults are using their children as weapons in the fight against each other when they should be mature enough to put the children’s well-being first. Instead we have press statements and photos where it is clear as day that photographers were called. it’s all very messy and frankly also ugly

    • Arizona says:

      I don’t see how she’s using the kids as a weapon. she’s using the legal system to have the kids with her where they were planned to be. she’s not doing pap strolls with them after accusing him of being a bad father.

    • Shanny says:

      One parent is weaponizing the children. The BS he pulled with feeding a narrative to tmz, wearing his ring and taking it off, lunch with the kids and nanny on an outside patio showing him high fiving his kid like dad of the year increased pap interest.

  5. Startup Spouse says:

    The good news is that there is an international law, the Hague Abduction Convention, that addresses situations exactly like this. I used to do these cases decades ago (oy, I don’t like the sound of that).

    If they were properly advised when they got married they would have hashed everything out in advance, including where they would raise their kids.

    I did read that they had agreed (possibly in writing) to raise the kids in the UK, but who knows. If so, it could be that Joe has changed his mind and is trying to undermine that agreement.

    The only winners here are the lawyers. The clear losers are the kids. Hope they can work it out quietly.

    • Fran says:

      I just read her filing and this does indeed appear to be a case where the Hague Abduction Convention could be applicable. She states that they were in the process of purchasing a home in England and had in fact sold their Miami home. She also claims that, in total, the family only spent 11 weeks in that Miami home. Since April, they seem to have lived in England, with Joe and the children leaving for the tour in the US in August.

      • Kitten says:

        Yeah this is really important actually. I was wondering how long they lived in Miami and how much time they’ve spent as a family in England so thanks for this. I think what you said here will be very important for a judge to hear because it essentially throws a wrench in Joe’s narrative that the US has been their sole primary home. And as others have said, 4 and a little over a year old….it’s not like they’re teenagers who have lived in the US for their entire lives.

      • H says:

        This is going to get messy very quick. Over 20 years ago, my godchildren were ‘abducted’ from one of my very best friends who lived in England. Her ex-husband was American and on a summer visitation he decided not to return the children to their mother in the UK. Prior to this, it had been a very amicable divorce. My friend had to get attorneys and eventually ran out of money fighting this. So, the kids grew up in the States and she only saw them every few years. (This will not apply to Sophie and Joe as both of them have money and can travel back and forth and avoid multiple lawyers).

        One of my friend’s children now resides in the UK. They moved there as an adult to be closer to their mum. They have barely any contact with their father because as they got older they realized what he did.

        I see Joe as being very controlling and have never liked him. I hope Sophie has better legal advice than Christine Costner did.

      • Shanny says:

        I can’t believe his lawyer advised him to lie on court documents stating his kids primary residence was Miami when they were in hotels all over and renting a home in the UK. Her legal documents broke down by week where the kids resides in the last year. It wasn’t a majority in Miami.

    • Cee says:

      I have a strong inclination towards Joe Jonas effed this up. Glad to have the insight from a lawyer’s perspective.
      This, right here, is my nightmare scenario and the reason why I’d never have children abroad with a man with a different nationality. Decades ago a man was able to abduct his children from a holiday destination and took them to his country of birth and their mum never saw them again as her children and her didn’t share citizenship. She tried to fight it through the courts, even international ones, and got nowhere. Citizenship matters.

  6. Vs says:

    The home of those kids isn’t England…. I am not a lawyer but I highly doubt she can win this one. JJ is being smart here…. She should look to get sound legal advice like he is clearly getting!

    • AlpineWitch says:

      It was indicated as such in her court filing and she’s appealing to the Hague Convention too, so he’ll be taken to court for kidnapping.

    • Sugarhere says:

      “The home of those kids isn’t England”, says who – Sunshine? On what ground? The woman who carried them and nurtured them for 9 months each, is from England. You sound so adamant and definitive, thank the Good Fairies you’re not a judge…

      • Coco says:

        @ Sugarhere

        Your the one that coming across as adamant and definitive you seems to be attacking everyone that dose not agree with your narrative 100%.

      • Coco says:

        What are you talking about? I have only replied to you once in this post.If I reply to you in the past, then maybe you need to stay away from gossip sites if you can’t handle people replying to your comments. As for a “target” please I don’t even remember replying to you before.

        You telling Vs

        ( thank the Good Fairies you’re not a judge…).

        So respectf

    • bisynaptic says:

      The home of those kids is with their mum.

  7. moderatelywealthy says:

    “Joe has already disavowed any and all statements purportedly made on his behalf that were disparaging of Sophie. They were made without his approval and are not consistent with his views. His wish is that Sophie reconsider her harsh legal position and move forward in a more constructive and private manner. His only concern is the well-being of his children,” the statement concludes.

    Someone has finally given Joe Jonas good advice. It is a lie- we know how celebrities operate and he got papped with his children not by accident- but it is a step in the good direction

    Whatever did happen to convince him to drop the act and reach out for a joint custody, possibly 5-50 % between Florida and England, it can only benefit the children, so therefore, a good thing.

    (although I cannot say I would blame Sophie from trying to save the two girls from De Santis Florida.)

    • ConcernFae says:

      But TMZ has already said that their reporting was came from the Jonas camp. They were really pissed that he was claiming that their stories didn’t reflect what he wanted said. Turned on the TV and TMZ Live was on. Said next segment was what Joe said about Sophie, so I stayed to watch that. They showed him onstage saying “Don’t believe anything unless you hear it from my mouth” (or something close to that, I didn’t write it down at the time.) When the show went back to the TMZ offices everyone was really annoyed. It was stated flat out that the original TMZ stories had come from Jonas’s people. Is Joe now claiming that that isn’t true? Or is he saying that whoever from his camp talked to TMZ was lying? The mess is getting very deep. Will he have to admit who talked to TMZ and why he didn’t push back as soon as he learned about it? Because new stories kept coming every day for a while. If they were lies and unauthorized, why didn’t he put an end to it right away?

      Ugly, ugly, ugly, from him.

  8. Inge says:

    So she was parading in front of the press with Taylor Swift whilst she had the kids?

    • Kokiri says:

      Excuse me.
      None of that blatant misogyny.

      Sophie is a mother, a person, & has every right to see friends without being judged as “parading around”.

    • Miggy12 says:

      I rarely comment but my heart goes out to Sophie she clearly has always wanted to live in the UK and believed that’s where they’d end up

      I think after his attacks on her she decided to be more forceful and that’s where the new reports are coming from. It’s so incredibly unfair what he’s doing and I feel like she doesn’t understand how difficult this fight will be.

      In all honesty maybe those dinners with taylor provided her with some strength to fight back. Imo taylor is telling Sophie you can do this it doesn’t have to be “mr perfectly fines” way.

    • Dolly says:

      Women are allowed to go out when they have kids. I’m sure Joe Jonas did when he had them too

    • Arizona says:

      she went out to dinner with a friend while she had her kids, yes. or is it preferable for her to include the kids in a pap stroll? 🙄

    • RoyalCommoner says:

      More like maybe cough joe cough someone knew she was going out and called the paps and not her PARADING? i have kids and I go out too. Nothing scandalous

    • Sugarhere says:

      @Inge: Thanks for sharing this lost page of the Taliban Civil Code.

    • Inge says:

      I’m sorry: the parent who complained about not seeing their kids and sued the other parent for not letting them relocate their kids to a different country was seen partying with a friend.

      • DARK says:

        Going out to dinner is partying now is it? Pretty sure it was after the kids bedtime and they had someone watching them.

      • Tanya says:

        As it happens, I was also partying in that same restaurant that night without my children. And by “partying” I mean having dinner while they were home with a trusted babysitter.

      • sarah says:

        I mean the kids were also probably in bed before she left for dinner…
        also you’ll see Sophie being a doting mom if you just google her past few days.

        if the roles were reversed no one would bat an eye its incredibly unfair and frustrating

    • Steph says:

      @inge Sophie and Joe are both in NYC right now. I’m guessing they aren’t on the best of terms right now so are splitting the time with the kids. Are they not allowed to socialize while the other has the kids?

    • canichangemyname says:

      “Parading around?” A mother absolutely has every right to go out and have dinner with a friend. Joe, is that you?

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  9. hangonamin says:

    i dont think you have all of the facts. per reports, they have been looking to relocate to England since December 2022 and purchased a house in England in April 2023, with the goal of moving in by December 2023 as it is still being worked on. Since then, they’ve sold their Miami home, moved the bulk of their stuff to rent in England and started sending their kids to nursery and established essentially a routine in England. Then comes their jobs, with Sophie having to work for her show, it was decided that they would spend time with Joe on tour as his schedule allowed more time during the day to spend with them. The plan was always after filming wrapped for Sophie they would bring the kids back to the UK. I think Joe probably realized he didn’t want to live in England or continue the relationship with Sophie way before this agreement, deliberately used this time to get the kids to the US on this “plan”, then file for divorce in Florida with a judge saying the kids have to stay in the US AND is withholding their kids passports. I think it’s shady AF, def violated their agreement and he’s been nothing but toxic a**hole who abducted his kids as some kind of leverage in this divorce.

    • Arizona says:

      this is exactly my take as well, if what she wrote in the filing is accurate. based on the tactics of the two, I’m more inclined to believe her. he’s been shady as hell the whole time, especially if she found out about the divorce filing through the media.

      • North of Boston says:

        Exactly! And the way his camp came out swinging with lies and truth twisting painting her as a partying bad mother is a huge giveaway… I think he was surprised when that strategy fell like a lead balloon.

        I’m willing to bet she’s got receipts and details that back up her team’s statements

    • Carrot says:

      Having been there, done that from the child position, this sounds closest to reality. I’d go so far as to add, Joe probably sees the children as the most powerful way to control Sophie

    • hangonamin says:

      and to top it off! he comes out swinging right right away and called her a bad mom in between the lines by saying she partied too much (which we know from past isn’t true and he’s the one that parties). if this was not a premeditated and truly a falling out that happened whilst the kids were in the US, and he has no ill will towards her, then the LEAST he can do is to just stay quiet and say “we want to maintain our privacy during these difficult times and protect our children.” In fact, the statement from Sophie says she found out about the divorce filings from media!! how effing shady and sneaky. The kids are 1 and 3, and are American and British (dual citizens), there’s nothing that says you have any semblance of nationality or cultural identity develop at that age and cement that fast and they’re definitely American bc they’ve lived there. For one of the child, they have lived just as long in the UK and had a routine there. The couple agreed on a plan bf the divorce, and that should be taken into consideration PERIOD. Sophie needs to provide the receipts of her timeline ASAP and lay it all out there.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      The fact that he came out hard with a smear campaign and a filing while she was out of the country makes me trust him less. He has been so underhanded about this so I absolutely believe that he did what her suit claims.

    • Lux says:

      I agree it’s super shady of Joe to pull one like that, but at the same time, since they ARE separating, he is entitled to request at least 50-50 custody. It will be a power struggle of epic proportions, especially when the kids get to elementary school age, but that’s for them to figure out.

      I think where the kids are for the time being/the passport withholding is what is upsetting Sophie the most, especially since she expected them to be with her in the UK. I get it. But sadly, you’re dealing with an about-face from someone who seems to be deeply calculating—I might even say, someone scorned, since he had threatened to release “undisclosed” ring footage.

      Gwyneth and Chris’ arrangement comes to mind. Throughout their marriage, they were London-based, but as soon as they separated, Goop relocated her family back to LA. It seemed like a good compromise of living half their lives in their father’s country and later, their mom’s…but they were married. It’s not going to be so easy for Sophie and Joe.

    • AnneL says:

      This is exactly how I see it. He reneged on their deal, smeared her as an absent mother, and then used the legal system to use the kids as bargaining tool. And yes, he’s a toxic a-hole.

    • Embee says:

      Agree with your take completely. Also think that JJ probably had a meltdown living away from his parents and in another culture. Remember his parents were controlling. He doesn’t seem very worldly and I would bet that he’s now panicked about being outside his little comfort sphere. His parents control also likely contributes to his promiscuity and substance use

  10. Kokiri says:

    I’m not going to yell at you. The girls are American & have been raised in America.

    Im understand Sophie wants to return home, for a myriad of reasons I’m sure, most of which have to do with the fact she married an ass. Everyone makes relationship mistakes. Unfortunately she had 2 kids & is now tied to this ass for life.

    Parent Alienation is very real & we saw how terribly badly it can go with Kelly Rutherford. It’s best for ALL involved to get this before the courts have to intervene.

    No doubt Joe loves his kids. As far as he is capable, & I’ve also no doubt he’s capable of using them as pawns to hurt Sophie.

    • Kath says:

      “Raised in America?” Those kids are 3 and 14 months old. They can’t control their bowel movements yet, let alone have an affiliation to a particular country. Their mother is English and the family agreed to reside in the UK. This isn’t about some dastardly plot to steal ‘Murican kids.

      • Kokiri says:

        Yeah, I would like to go back & rewrite that part.

        After reading more comments, I was wrong to be so absolute about it.

        Thanks for your comment. The implication that I feel Sophie is out to steal her own kids is absolutely not one I am proud of, to say the least.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      The kids are American AND British by nationality.

    • Kitten says:

      And Sophie is only 27!! She had her first kid at a young age (by today’s standards) and while I’m firmly Team Sophie, I feel like the way this relationship crashed and burned speaks to a level of immaturity. I mean, how solid could it have been in the first place if they are divorcing a little over a year after they had their second kid? This relationship feels like it was doomed from the start and I’m sorry that she will forever be inexorably tied to this mean little man.

      • taris says:

        yeah, i’m team sophie.. but this all has airs of obliviousness to it on her part.
        joe seems like a pos, but he clearly saw what was coming and he planned for it. i wish sophie had, too; knowing her marriage was falling apart (this began last year, i gather?), she should have kept the kids with her, hired a nanny or kept them with her family in england. how sad.

        she seems like she’s been caught flat-footed here, both legally and optically.
        comments on here are making appeals to emotion (‘but she’s their mother!’, ‘he’s controlling her’, ‘patriarchy!’ etc), but none of that will work in a court of law. whatever future agreements they may have made won’t count if they are not in writing.

        if the two of them can’t figure custody out and this ends up in court, i fear sophie is more disadvantaged *legally* and, possibly *optically*.
        poor girl, she was just never ready for any of this..

    • Iris says:

      Parental alienation has been widely debunked. I work closely with domestic violence charities and believe me, it’s just another tool that abusive men use to manipulate the judicial system in their favour. Woody Allen claimed Mis Farrow used parental alienation to turn Dylan against him, Brad Pitt has said similarly.

    • bisynaptic says:

      “Parental alienation “ is very made-up (by a very disturbed man), with a sordid history.

  11. RoyalCommoner says:

    This is so messy. I feel like this is explosive because joe made it like that publicly implying that Sophie was unfit. I dont know how if it was planned or not from him, but he made it like it is now. It could have been private and civilized but he chose this way. Sophie’s not gonna hold back. Im siding with Sophie

    • Meg says:

      He’s lost the moral high ground to criticize her for filing a public legal document saying she should stay private and all he’s thinking of is the kids. Really? By badmouthing their mother in public? That’s thinking of your kids? You leaked quotes mommy shaming her to the tabloids, she on the other hand is filing a legal document but she should stay private?
      Hes a huge hypocrite

  12. Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

    I had a friend who’s daughter thought that she could just move out of state with her children but found out, once the move was completed, that the father of her oldest daughter disagreed. It got pretty nasty, truth be told, the daughter had long thought that she could do whatever she wanted and was quite angry when the father of the child said “no”. Last I heard, the child was placed in custody with the father and the mother has visitation. The courts don’t take kindly to parents that try to relocate children without the express permission of the other parent.

    As I recall, several years ago there was an actress in the same situation and her bid to have her child returned to the US was unsuccessful.

    • VilleRose says:

      That was Kelly Rutherford from Gossip Girl. I was on her Instagram yesterday and she doesn’t post pics of her kids very often and when she does, it’s just from the back so you never see their faces. She only posts full face pictures of when they were toddlers (and she doesn’t do that often either) so we have no idea what they look like today. My guess is their father insisted she not post pictures of their face on social media and now they’re old enough that they can probably ask their mom not to post pics of them. Both her kids are teenagers now (her son is 17 and her daughter is 15). While I don’t know what they look like, her son is very tall. I think she sees them often because from the looks of her IG she is in Europe a lot. Her son is a year away from being 18 so it may be he decides to move to the USA for college, who knows.

    • bisynaptic says:

      That’s not this situation.

  13. Jade says:

    Long comment incoming so beware:

    I’m not sure if you read the lawsuit, but Sophie hasn’t “suddenly decided” the kids are British – Sophie’s side says that a mutual decision was reached to relocate to England, hence the couple sold their home in Miami at the end of last year. They viewed homes in England, and signed a contract for a house back in April. Where they had to travel with their daughters she’s listed where they stayed since selling their Miami home. She’s making some very specific claims that are easy to prove / disprove so I will eat my words if she can’t back them up but I would be very surprised.

    Their oldest daughter enrolled in nursery there, and their daughters have been signed up for and utilising medical care, dental care, extracurricular activites etc in England for the last few months. As Sophie has been filming (her first big role since the birth of her kids), Joe suggested the kids go to America just for the month as he’d have more time with them. She agreed, then he files for divorce without her knowing (even if she knew they were headed for splitsville at the very least I believe he didn’t let her know he filed before he let the media know), making sure he had the kids with him so he could withold their passport. Very manipulative behaviour. She also claims that they were content until a big argument about two weeks before he filed – so I think there’s a good chance she genuinely thought they’d patch it up as that’s a really short amount of time for a marriage to fall apart so I wonder if she did “know he was going to file.”

    Their daughters are 1 and 3, so while they have spent the majority of their lives in the US, I’m not sure how much that counts for at this stage and it’s their current day-to-day activities that shouldn’t be disrupted, especially for the older one. Bear in mind also that that their first daughter was born in a pandemic, and as soon as the pandemic was over she was pregnant again. So it’s likely her intention would’ve been to move to England earlier if it wasn’t for the pandemic, and I’m sure Joe was aware of this.

    I also think it all seems very sinister given all of his smearing of her in the press as an unfit mother. I don’t think this is having his legal ducks in a row – I think he is trying to keep her from her children.

    • Becks1 says:

      But a lot of that isn’t going to matter at this point – the buying a house in the UK, the agreement to live full-time in the UK and raise their kids there…..that was all predicated on the two of them being married.

      I would be very surprised if the judge says “well you made these plans back when you were still married and you agreed the kids could stay in the UK full time because you would both be there as a married couple so too bad so sad, they’re moving to the UK and Sophie gets full custody.”

      Not commenting on the passport part of this or Joe’s desperate smear campaign that failed – just the idea that because the family had planned X 6 months ago while they were married, that X must happen even though life has changed significantly now.

      • AlpineWitch says:

        Her filing doesn’t make it clear but if she has some receipts (like school registration, etc.) that she changed the residence of herself and the kids from April 2023, this custody battle will be so messy…..

      • Turtledove says:

        That’s what I think, Becks. I’m not a lawyer.

        But all this messiness is just a higher level / more complicated version of the stuff that any divorcing couple with kids would deal with.

        She may be able to prove that they 100% were both onboard with moving to the UK and raising the kids there as a family. But he has the right to decide not to move to the UK now that they are divorcing. I wouldn’t want to move to a new country with my ex either. I think he is an ass in all kinds of ways and I feel bad for her. Especially if she wasn’t expecting this.

        It really seems like they will get some sort of split. Probably not 50/50 because sending young kids back and forth that frequently would be really disruptive. I really hope it works out in her favor but I don’t see her getting full custody.

      • Sugarhere says:

        I might disagree a bit, here. Even though the whole family settling in England was conditional to them still being married, it is of importance in the sense that it proves Joe Jonas had no objection to the idea of their daughters being raised in England per se, and was even supportive of the idea of relocating, not to say enthusiastic about it.

        In which case, he can no longer argue that England would be a nefarious environment with a party girl of a mother. This is evidence that his change of heart is strictly grounded on conjugal motives, unrelated to kids’ best interest: England suddenly becomes a no-no after his personal love interest has vanished.

        In other words, the babies’ best interest cannot be mitigated by his conjugal debacle or be viewed as cohesive to his own adult interest – which is apparently what he’d like a judge to buy.

    • bisynaptic says:

      Agreed. Children that young belong to their primary care provider.

  14. Josephine says:

    I feel for everyone involved here. Having parents from two different countries has got to be super hard. In these situations one of the countries usually becomes the home during school breaks. They better both get on board with having homes in both countries and being comfortable in both places. But one of those places is going to be home-base for school purposes for the kids’ sake.

  15. Angela says:

    Joe’s bots are out early. It sucks that Sophie is going to be stuck with a Florida judge, I’m curious how far along they were in buying the home in England. And JJ is manipulative slime for the way he betrayed his wife and managed all this to get the upper hand. Queen of the North all the way.

  16. Becks1 says:

    Messy messy messy.

    I don’t know how long Joe planned this or what the long game was here, if this started back in April or what. But whenever you have this kind of marriage, with parents from two different countries both with significant roots in their home countries, a divorce/custody arrangement is going to be another layer of messiness and complications. At least at this point they aren’t in school so it seems like custody could be worked out where they spend 3 months with Sophie in England, 3 months with Joe in the US depending on work schedules. But based on how this started, I don’t think its going to end up with that clean an arrangement.

    Like I said I don’t know if Joe was planning this for months. But I think one thing IS clear – either he or someone on his team has realized relatively quickly that the smear campaign against Sophie was backfiring on him big-time, hence why we see this language about him distancing himself from those disparaging comments. I really think he thought the Jonas fan base was going to rise to his defense and go after Sophie and instead the GoT fanbase was like, “the North remembers.”

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      From what I can tell some of the Jonas fanbase are backing Sophie. His brothers are not going to like how he’s making them all look.

      • MipMip says:

        I was lurking on a few Jonas Bros Reddit subs yesterday after this came out and I was pleasantly surprised by how many self-professed fans were team Sophie.

        I guess when your image is built around being a “wife guy”, smearing your wife and pulling the rug out from under her in such a cruel and public fashion comes across as insincere/you being an asshat. Weird.

    • Coco says:

      I agree it’s very messy. Joe was stupid with the whole smear campaign the judge was never going to care what the public thinks. He might have gotten public support if he was not trying to paint his so to be ex in a bad light. His priorities should have been the kids and working with his soon to be ex-wife.

    • C says:

      I have been pleasantly surprised by the support she has gotten from GoT fans.

  17. Ocho says:

    Ok. Not a lawyer here. Obvs. But as the children are very young and not in school yet, I don’t see why the children shouldn’t live in whichever country their “primary” parent resides, be it the UK, the US or any other country. Both parents have the financial ability and flexible job situation to cope with travel or moving or a second home. This whole “but they are Murrican!” thing is… who cares. It should just be up to the courts to decide who would make the better primary parent. But that would be too logical.

  18. TheOriginalMia says:

    Joe was behind the smear campaign. He knows. Sophie knows it. The courts know it. That wasn’t necessary and won’t improve his standing with the court. What it did was sour relations between him & Sophie even more.

    No judge is going to give Joe full custody. The kids will eventually be allowed to travel with Sophie back to England. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets physical custody until the youngest reaches school age. They need their mother. Sorry, Joe, a nanny isn’t a substitute for a mom that’s been present in their lives since birth. It going to be a mess.

    • Maryanne says:

      Are you sure about this ? because recently many judges are allowing 50/50 co-parenting and some men gets full custody. Its all according to the judge. You never know how all these play out. The One way or another, one parent is not going to be happy. For kids sake they should come to an agreement.

      • sevenblue says:

        @Maryanne, this is a different situation for a touring artist. He doesn’t have a 9-5 job. He is on tour for months almost every year and the children are very young. I also think that Sophie will get the majority of the physical custody.

  19. Amy Bee says:

    If she always dreamt of living in the UK she probably shouldn’t have married someone who wasn’t British.

    • Kath says:

      If he always dreamt of living in the US, he probably shouldn’t have married someone who wasn’t American.

      Especially when Sophie bore those kids, gave birth to them, stayed at home and put her career on hold for 4+ years – missing the very narrow window of opportunity to capitalise on her GoT fame – all while expressing a desire to live closer to her support network in the UK for her mental health.

      The girl in still only in her mid 20s, after all, with two very young babies.

      Meanwhile, Joe has enjoyed an uninterrupted career and has gone on tour every year, all while surrounded and supported by HIS family.

      There seems to be a weird xenophobia in some of these comments. As if those kids are going to be snatched away to Tehran or something.

      • hangonamin says:

        EXACTLY. hmm maybe like don’t marry a British woman if you want pure blooded ‘mrican children that live in the US and do ‘mrican things. people are so fixated on the fact these kids are American for some reason and the comments are veering into America first themes. Like somehow bc their foot touched American soil first they’re like pre-destined to be American…they’re 1 and 3, one of the kids has spent just as much time abroad as here.

      • Amy Bee says:

        Joe had no right to be marrying someone so young. So both can take the blame for this situation.

    • Kokiri says:


      I thought my comment above was a bad take, & way too pro American(it was, sorry about that)

      But this is just awful. Why blame Sophie? Come on, Amy, you should know better than to blame her on this. She married who she loved, promises were made & he changed his mind.

      • Amy Bee says:

        Look, I’ve known people who dreamed of returning to their home country but because they’ve married someone of a differently nationality have chosen not to return home. Sometimes people have to sacrifice their desires for the greater good.

      • hangonamin says:

        @Amy Bee so why is it that you think sophie has to be the one making the sacrifice? bc she’s the younger woman marrying the older man? they got married together during the pandemic, maybe the plan was always for joe to relocate and raise their kids in the UK bf covid took a hit.

  20. TurbanMa says:

    He shouldn’t have made a point about keeping the kids in the US. They had their time with him and now it’s her turn, she’s from UK and will live there now so they go with her for their time with Mom. I hate that she would have to be stuck in another country in order to be in her children’s lives. It sucks. I’ve been in the position myself and didn’t have even a fraction of these people’s resources. I think he should be the one to say they should be with their Mom and raised in her country and he will take on the travel to be in their lives. One of them will have to give if they will both raise the children.

  21. Ameerah M says:

    Just because a judge gave a temporary order doesn’t mean that that will hold up long term in court. He can say his kids are American – which is true- BUT. He would also have to establish residency in Florida. If they had already sold their home in Miami and were in fact residing in England and in the process of purchasing a home that would be a hard thing to do.

    • AlpineWitch says:

      Plus his kids are also British. If he wasn’t agreeing with the move, why make her dream she could go back and tell her outright he didn’t like to live outside the US?

      It seems like he went the passive aggressive route, and once back in the US with the kids pulled the plug on the marriage and detained the kids’ passports.

  22. girl_ninja says:

    I’m guessing Bro Joe heard Sophie saying she’s planning on taking the girls to England on that Ring camera. That’s when he sprung into action and started his gross smear campaign against her. I actually hope that they can reign this in, come to a suitable custody agreement and move on.

  23. H says:

    ” I think Joe realized months ago that it was a very good possibility that his marriage would end soon enough” you’re being much too generous. He ended his marriage “suddenly” and on a whim because he is involved with someone else. HE ended it. Don’t act like it was some passive force of God

  24. Sugarhere says:

    I often take the side of men who are unjustly vilified but this story aggravates me beyond words.

    1- the children have spent the vast majority of their lives in the US: The children ‘s first and primary home was their mother’s womb, which turns out to be English. Therefore, they can legitimately call England their homeland and their roots. They belong to England as much, if not more, than they belong to the US. Having spent the vast majority of their lives in the States, does NOT give the father’s country precedence over the mother’s.

    2- Joe Jonas is lucky his semi-repulsive face found a woman way above his league, who was compliant enough and willing TO SACRIFICE her attachment to her native land and culture, in order to be agreeable to him. However, when the time came to turn the table and oblige Sophie who, after these many years, legitimately felt homesick, egomaniac little Joe is nowhere to be found. That douche is perfectly fine with depriving 2 girls from their maternal heritage, just because he’s convinced the English countryside is not regal enough for him?!

    I pray the Turner daughters will be blessed to spend 6 months of the year with their mom in England as a way to make up for lost time. And I pray the Florida court understand the best interest of bi-national, bi-cultural children, and don’t determine their fate through a bigoted one-sided American lense.

    Bi-national unions and break ups don’t work when one partnerbis selfish and entitled. Damn Joe.

  25. Rossella says:

    From a legal perspective, it is an abduction. That is the legal terminology. Whether you are the father or mother, you cannot just take your child and do what you want in violation of the other parent’s rights.

  26. swiftcreekrising says:

    He served her on the 6th, but the story broke when he filed on the 5th. It’s like the Jonas team is unaware of the existence of date stamped proof.

  27. stormyshay says:

    I suggest reading the actual legal documents if what she claims is true then it appears she has a good case. He is a dirt bag. Reddit has an excellent breakdown of her filing:

    • Kateee says:

      This was an excellent and persuasive narrative presented by her attorney. It will be very difficult for Joe to refute the level of documentation–a signed P&S, the kids enrolled in school and receiving medical and dental care in England. He really is a controlling weasel.

      But now I am more interested than ever in what this Ring footage said. “My girls will never turn out like Joe and his creepy brothers?” “I can’t wait to never see his gross overbearing mother again?” What on earth could it have been to just cut and run when kids are involved?

      • Lee says:

        There may not be a ring video. Judging by his manoeuvring for public sympathy in his pre-planned agenda, he may be trying to create suspicion and imply wrongdoing. DARVO in action. This Reddit thread is excellent btw, and Sophie’s receipts of the family’s UK residency are clear. He’s an underhanded creep and hopefully the courts rein him in.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      Thanks for sharing Sophie’s docs, stormyshay. Seeing that timeline of their housing really lays bare the lack of true residency for this family. They were nomadic in their travels. I mean…there really wasn’t a need with the kids being so young, but damn…1 week here, 10 days there. That would drive me bonkers. I love being in my own home, amongst my things. I can understand why Joe is using the Florida courts because that’s where they spent the most time, but that’s a thin argument. Joe doesn’t have a home. He’s had them on the road, moving city to city. If he had been planning this ahead of time, he should have bought a home, deposited the kids there, and then filed for divorce.

  28. Kateee says:

    This all reads to me like it was Sophie’s turn to take physical custody and when she said she intended to take them back to England to visit, he balked and withheld passports. That’s why she is suing, and why he is emphasizing that she HAS custody now–see, he didn’t violate their amicable agreement, he’s such a good guy. Just another exercise in control from this petty little man.

  29. Powermoonchrystal says:

    Interesting how the majority Twitter takes in this article are so different from the majority here. It is still easier to be misogynistic in public than being on the side of women (regardless if we like them or not). I can dislike Sophie has done stupid things when it comes to Megan while also seeing Joe Jonas for the manipulator he is (why do you think he used Florida of all places with the crazy and corrupt judges there?)

    • Kara C. says:

      Thank you!

      I’m also seeing a lot of xenophobia here. These two girls were always UK citizens as well as US citizens. People are acting as if they’re solely US citizens who are being stripped of their rights and may be forced to live in a desolate land they have no connection to, which isn’t the case. Their mother is British, and her filing shows that they’ve been living in England since April. He asked to take them on tour in US at some point in August, which she agreed to because her days on set were heavy, and then he filed for divorce weeks later. They were US/UK citizens, currently living in the UK, who were on a trip in the US with their father.

      What Joe Jonas did reads as cunning and manipulative. He must’ve known exactly what he was doing when he made the agreement with Sophie to take them to the US, as it was reported everywhere that he’d been “shopping” for lawyers for weeks. He may have decided at least minute that he didn’t want to live in England, separated from his own family as Sophie had been for the last 8 years from hers, and came up with this plan.

      It’s maddening that he was able to file in Florida when they’ve sold their house there. What did he do to swing that? Quickly rent a place there? Use a business address?

      When this whole thing started, I had a feeling it may have something to do with custody. She’d been talking about wanting to return to the UK for a long time, and her comments at the time made it sound like Joe was amenable to it. My first thought was that he’d had a change of mind and decided to pull this stunt, and I’m sad that I was right.

      • Coco says:

        @ Kara C.

        People saying the kids spent most of their life in the U.S is going make hard for Sophia is not xenophobia.


        dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
        “the resurgence of racism and xenophobia”

        Non if that is happening in the comment section here.

  30. Steph says:

    Can anyone clarify the FL Court order for me? Does relocate mean the kids can’t leave the country or that they can’t move? Bc withholding their passports means they can’t spend anytime at all with Sophie in her home.

    • Maryanne says:

      From my understanding both the parents are not allowed to take kids outside of usa. JJ is afraid that he might lose those kids and have to fight in english court. Also his lawyers might advised him to get custody agreement here in USA.

    • Harper says:

      My question too. Are the kids forced to stay in American until the divorce is finalized? Because you can go to England without relocating to England. It also sounds to me as if Joe knew the plan was for the kids to go back to England in September and then used possession of the passports to prevent it.

      Joe is tanking the Jonas Bros money machine with these moves; poor Kevin is going to be crying again about being a has-been. My twenty-something daughter and her friends are big Jonas Bros fans and go to their concerts every time they show up here but no one is siding with Joe over Sophie. Especially with Taylor choosing Sophie. I think it’s over for the JoBros.

      • Maryanne says:

        Yes kids are forced to stay in USA according to jj statement from their lawyer. These kids are not going for vacation. They are planning to stay and go to school that is relocation. I dont know about Florida law , some states doesnt even allow to relocate outside of the state. Here lots of misinformation going and woman get bad advice all the time thats why they get screwed in divorce.

  31. Ashley L. says:

    Lawyer here with family law and matrimonial experience currently doing work in that field, including Hague cases. The Hague is focused on where the children’s habitual residence is and whether they have been removed from that residence and if so, whether there is any good cause for the removal (there are factors specified for the Court to consider when making the determination).

    While they may have been planning to move to the UK and taking steps to make that happen, such as purchasing property, that seems to have been their plan during the marriage. The marriage is over, so its not beyond the realm of reason that the plan now has to change. From what has been reported about their situation and respective filings, it does not seem that the UK was their habitual residence yet and I do not think that it will matter from a Hague perspective that they were planning to make it the children’s habitual residence. Given that Sophie lived and worked in both the US and the UK, she will have a harder time proving she and the children were habitually in the UK.

    Nonetheless, the whole situation is complicated and the people who will suffer the most are the children. They had a prenup and I wonder if it addresses what would happen in the event they had children and split up since they are both from different countries. Its fine to split time evenly between the US and the UK when the kids are young, but harder to do that when they get older and especially start school.

  32. Pam says:

    I know of a couple to settled the issue of living ages apart by having the child spend the school year with her mother and the summers with her father. It all worked out just fine. Why can’t they just do something similar?

    • Carrot says:

      My take is this is all about Joe wanting to control Sophie and really not at all about the children. If Joe can’t have Sophie to push around, well then she can’t have a life at all. Sophie has to be punished. Sophie has to suffer. Sophie has to prove she loves her children by refusing to split the baby and letting go .. that sort of mentality

  33. AnneL says:

    I suspect Sophie came out swinging like this because of Joe’s smear campaign and the fact that he obviously planned this so he could get the kids back to the US and not allow her to fulfill her desire to live in the UK permanently and raise the kids there.

    I can’t say I blame her because the way he tried to paint her as an absent, unfit mother was unforgivable BS.

    That said, he is the girls’ father and he has a right to want to share custody. I hope for the sake of all involved they can set up an arrangement that allows them to be with Sophie during the school year and with him on vacations and part of the summer. They’re both well-off performers so it certainly seems doable.

    As to where they “should” be, IMO that’s still malleable. They’ve lived in the US for most of their lives but they’re toddlers, for God’s sake. They won’t even remember this stage of their lives. The older one was in the UK for months until she came back to join Joe while he toured. At that point, she probably thought she’d moved forever. Florida who?

    They’re very young and they’re dual citizens. There’s no reason they can’t share their time between two countries and two parents.

  34. Thea says:

    Very interesting that so many are fixated on the girls’ country of birth and where they spent most of their lives so far being their “home”. At that young an age, they have few significant ties or memories to an actual location. The best thing for the kids and what feels like “home” to them is with their primary caregiver, regardless of physical location or geographical boundaries. And a mother’s mental well-being is so important for the kids. If they already had arrangements for the girls with a routine in the UK, Joe has been completely self-absorbed and disregarded the best interests of the children from the start. The oldest isn’t in school yet, but she will be within a year and this disruption could impact her ability to familiarize herself with the UK and making friends of her own. If the kids ultimately reside in the UK, Joe can travel, he has the money and the time. Let that ass sacrifice and adapt to Sophie and the kids’ needs for a change. Don’t make the kids shuttle back and forth across the Atlantic.

  35. VilleRose says:

    Ah this is is so messy. I don’t know what Sophie’s immigration status is, though my guess is at this point she must have a green card or in the process of one (immigration bureaucracy is very backlogged due to covid). Not sure how a divorce jeopardizes that.

    Even if the plan was to move to the UK, the divorce throws a wrench into those plans. Filing for divorce while the kids are still in the USA gives Joe the upper hand here and I think any American parent in Joe’s position would have done the same. Child kidnapping is very real in cases with parents from two different countries. We all refer to the Kelly Rutherford case but also Sean Goldman is also a great example. His American dad was only able to regain custody back from Brazil after Sean’s mom died (ironically in childbirth after she remarried). The stepdad tried to hide the fact Sean’s mom died but eventually Sean got to be reunited with his dad.

    I’m sure that’s not Sophie’s intent as she has documented the plan was to buy a house and move to the UK. But if she goes off to the UK with the kids now, the courts may not view that very favorably. I feel for her as all her best laid plans are essentially blown to smithereens. It’s up to the courts now to decide what is best for the kids. It’s all very sad.

  36. Cate says:

    I’m American and my husband is British. Our son is 7 now and has lived his whole life in the US so I would say he’s culturally more “American” than “British”, but at age 1 or 3? He definitely wasn’t. In fact, despite having lived mostly in the US, he was speaking with a pretty strong British accent at age 3, and even now he uses a lot of the same expressions/slang my husband does. My parents are also not American but immigrated here when I was 3 and looking back I would say I didn’t really start picking up a lot of “Americanness” until I was in school full-time. So yeah, these kids ar still pretty plastic in terms of what culture they belong to or are used to. Honestly they’re probably safer in the UK than in Florida also, if I had to pick UK vs. Florida for my kid UK would be a no-brainer!

  37. Mel says:

    This is going to become such a mess. I feel for those kids, they’re the one who are going to get scarred from this. I believe that Joe saw things going south or they had a talk about breaking up and he did a pre-emptive strike. It was heavy handed but he made the move. I suspect that she found being married to him a bit suffocating. He’s older and lived more life on his own. She, ( hear me out) probably found Motherhood a bit suffocating also, she’s soooo young. It’s normal to feel that way and it does NOT mean she doesn’t love her kids. How this is coming out is her not being strategic and laying low for a bit. I’m on no ones side here I’m TeamKids. Actually, if he really wanted to be the “Adult” here. He would move to England, share custody with her so the kids can spend some time with her family. It’s easier for him to go back and forth or be away while touring while most of her work is probably based there.

  38. Kara C. says:

    Can a lawyer answer for me how Joe Jonas was able to file for custody in Florida? They sold their property there in April of 2023. Did they–or did Joe Jonas–retain a rental there? Or are you just allowed to do that?

    The Turner-Jones family has been quite migrant throughout their relationship. (I found it a bit shocking, actually, but maybe I shouldn’t have, given that she’s an actress and he’s used to touring.) It appears they bought a house after their first daughter was born, hunkered down during Covid, and then started roaming around all over again starting in September or 2022, not long after their 2nd daughter was born.

    If not for Covid, I imagine they’d have kept up this multi-state, multi-national mode of living between the births of their first and second daughters.

    Note: I have no issue with that. (1) I’d do it if had the money. (2) I have no children and have no right to judge. (3) Even if I had children, I still don’t think I’d have the right to judge. (4) If I had two very young children and had the money to do it, I’d totally do it!

  39. bettyrose says:

    I don’t know at this point how religious and right-wing the Jonas Bros are but I did see his smear campaign against Sophie, and in general feel like Britain has less hostility toward female sexuality than sweeping portions of the U.S. I’m in favor of the kids being raised in Britain, personally, despite the racism and class snobbery (which are also major problems stateside).

  40. ExpatInTheUK says:

    I’ve looked at the details In Sophie’s filing and the timelines are solid and easy to prove (travel dates, contracts, nursery enrolment, etc), indicating that Joe is misrepresenting Florida as where the family is domiciled. The fact that her lawyers are already invoking the Hague Convention shows that they have a better understanding of international laws. Just because a Florida court has ruled the children stay in the US for now doesn’t really mean much – these children are both American AND British. This is an international matter that goes beyond the hands of a Florida judge.

  41. Readhead77 says:

    I’m not a lawyer, but I was involved in an international custody battle. In order for a parent to file for custody in particular jurisdiction, they must establish that the jurisdiction is the appropriate venue. Since the children were not born in Florida, they only purchased the house during covid and only lived in Miami for a year or two and have since sold this house, I don’t see how Miami would be considered the current appropriate jurisdiction since no one even has a residence there. Unless it comes out that Joe has a house Sophie wasn’t told about that he has been using as his official address in which case that would show some significant premeditation on his part. But still, if the children never lived there, it would be hard to say that Sophie ever consented for that to be their residence.

    According to Sophie, the children had been residing in England for 5 months before they went on tour with Joe, it sounds like they were enrolled in activities, maybe even preschool for the elder child. She also said they leased a house together, which they were planning on buying, so one could assume they moved the bulk of the children’s possessions there. If that is the case, then that is evidence that Joe consented to them moving and he can’t legally turn around and decide he’s changed his mind. They both have to consent to a change of the residence. If England was the most recent mutually agreed upon residence, then that would be the appropriate jurisdiction for custody, regardless of their American citizenship. Agreeing that the children should go on tour with Joe, which means they are traveling not residing anywhere, would not be the same as both of them agreeing to relocate their children back to the US permanently.

    It’s also bs that he can’t give Sophie the passport or let the kids go to England. Unless he specifically asked for emergency orders that prevent travel from the Miami court. Filing custody paperwork does not grant any orders, it just sets a hearing date. And even then, he can have his lawyer revoke the papers and remove the hearing from the calendar. Or if they agreed to terms when they met, as he says, then that would be written up, notarized, filed with the courts and adopted as orders.

    My son was born in Germany, but both me and my ex are US citizens. My ex was emotionally abusive and when he started to get physical, I managed to find a way to leave him. I was willing to stay in Germany, but the German courts would have given me 5/8 of my ex’s income since I was unemployed, didn’t speak German, and had moved there because of his work. He didn’t want that, so he consented to me moving to the US. We shipped all my child’s possessions and he even signed papers saying we were moving. But after we moved, we didn’t hear anything from him for 9 months. Next thing I know, he accused me of kidnapping and concealing our whereabouts. I had to go to federal court where the judge sided with me. But my ex had this whole scheme he’d been working on proceeding our split (I saw charges on his bank account around the time our child was born and didn’t recognize the business until I was served with German papers and that business turned out to be his lawyers) so some of Joe’s maneuvers sound a tad familiar to me.

    • Cee says:

      OMG Redhead, were you able to resolve any of this? It sounds like an utter nightmare. Some men are suddenly so invested in their children and it comes to no surprise it coincides with them wanting to punish the women for leaving.

  42. Banga says:

    The fact that he filed in Florida tells me he knows his case is weak and he’s hoping the state will put a thumb on the scale on his behalf. Poor children.

  43. AC says:

    I agree with @kaiser. I’ve been reading about Joe and Sophie. And haven’t really been commenting on this lately as I think both parties are not handling this well imo. (Btw I also agree and was thinking the same thing, I Would Not take all of TS advice).
    And to me – I don’t know the whole story to point a blame on one or the other either as there’s more Things happening behind the scenes we don’t know about.
    As this is being handled by international and/or domestic laws, none of us can do anything about . It’s just an overall
    Sad situation as very young children are involved.

    • Jayna says:

      + 1,000. I so agree.

      I predict they will get back together anyway, and the divorce will be called off unless one of them has someone they’ve gotten close to and they want to move on.

      • Golly Gee says:

        After the dirty and underhanded way he has treated her?! He has shown her who he is and if it were me, I would never be able to trust him again. I hope she has the strength and good sense to leave his sorry azz at the curb.

      • Bettyrose says:

        I sincerely hope Sophie sees through Joe and is not going to give someone who actively tried to abuse and gaslight her through media another chance.

    • SallyS says:

      I agree that Sophie definitely shouldn’t follow any TS’s advice in this situation. Taylor was never married, doesn’t have kids and is not suited to give any advice on the divorce situation. On relationships in general, considering her track record.

  44. LynnInTx says:

    A lot of people keep wondering how JJ was able to file in Florida. IANAL, but this has been my experience…

    Jurisdiction in divorce cases seems to be largely about where you lived in the past X amount of time. If you haven’t lived in a particular place long enough (in this case, a specific residence in the UK), then the appropriate place to file is where you lived BEFORE that, whether or not you have a legal residence there now. This is apparently meant to prevent jurisdiction hopping to a more favorable judge. There have been other high profile divorce cases where someone moved to a better court district for themselves (either just before or just after filing) and were made to have the divorce proceedings in the district/jurisdiction from before they moved.

    As a personal example, a good friend of mine moved states a couple of months before before filing. Despite their residence now being Tx, she had to file for divorce in her original state and county because they hadn’t lived where they are long enough. I believe it’s nearly a year here, but I could be mistaken. I’ve had other friends go through the same thing with various counties, with each having their own residency requirement. I’m sure jurisdiction internationally is even more complicated. To bring it back to ST and JJ, they lived in Miami for 2 or 3 years, right? And since selling their place in Fla 9 months ago, they were nomadic until April, when they rented a place in the UK, correct? April until now isn’t even 6 months. Despite the *intentions* to live in the UK from then on, it’s entirely possible they haven’t lived there long enough for that to be the correct jurisdiction. Is it possible JJ was taking advantage of that fact to file in FL? Probably. Had he waited even a month longer, it may have meant filing in the UK, I don’t know. But that doesn’t mean, that because he filed early Sept, that Fla isn’t potentially the actual correct place to file, despite not living there since the end of last year.

    If anyone wants to correct me with actual numbers and residency requirements, I’d be happy to read them.

    • equality says:

      According to search info I found, he could have filed at the 6 mo time since she is a UK citizen. Otherwise they would have to be there a year before filing. He could also have just filed for a legal separation already in the UK.

  45. Sugarhere says:

    Overall, what irks me is that Joe Jonas’ divorce filing and questioning Sophie’s fitness of character both appear to have been maliciously premeditated, with the intent of becoming the children’s main or sole guardian.

    Blindsiding his spouse is such a counterproductive move on his part, for the emotional duress he is inflicting the mother speaks poorly of his moral ability to teach his own daughters how well they should expect to be treated by men.

  46. Veronica S. says:

    Oh no, don’t give him too much leeway. He knew what he was doing with the timing of the filing. My father did this exact thing to my mother after she spent years as the primary caretaker, waited until she was out of town and took control of custody right after filing. He didn’t really want us and promptly dropped responsibility on somebody else, but it sure saved him years of child support, didn’t it?

    I’d bet he’s controlling the location of the children because it gives him more leverage in negotiation. It puts her at a disadvantage because she has to make the moves to get them back. I hope she’s got a good team behind her because this started ugly and will end ugly. Evangelical men have never met a woman they didn’t want to crush who couldn’t be brought to heel. As usual, it’ll be the kids who pay the biggest price.

    • Jayna says:

      I think Joe was a first-rate jerk for all of the nasty leaks. He might be mad at her at what he overheard or saw through the Ring deal and reacting to that, but you don’t go that far. But Joe is definitely not an evangelical. He stated years ago he was disgusted by something that went on at his boyhood church, something to do with money, and as a result, he does not consider himself religious. He believes in God, I guess, in a spiritual way, but does not believe in organized religion.

      She married an American. He married a Brit. I fault both of them for not hashing this out before the children came because of this very situation. As a parent, one really loses out if each person wants to live in their own country, which is what has happened in this case. I get why both of them would want to live in their own country, especially if divorced. Joe always made it clear. While she loves America and the places they’ve lived, she has stated for a couple of years how homesick she is and trying to talk him into living permanently in the English countryside. I judge both of them for bringing two children into the world with such a huge difference in where to raise them. They failed Adulting 101 as far as parenthood because this is what happens if you separate.

      I have no doubt they both love their little ones very much, so I hope they can come to some kind of agreement.