Margot Robbie & Greta Gerwig’s Oscar snubs ‘will sting for a long time’

I’m going to keep writing about the Oscar snubs for Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie, even though some of y’all are going to keep commenting sh-t like “but it was a bad movie” and “they didn’t deserve anything.” If you want to keep doing the patriarchy’s work, so be it, I can’t stop you. As I’ve said, I’m enjoying all of the thinkpieces, analysis and reactions to the snubs. It’s fascinating to watch as Oscar voters freak out (in a sort of “are we the villains?” way) and it’s interesting to see, like, Oscar historians talk about how significant these snubs were.

Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig’s individual omissions from the recently announced Oscars 2024 nominations won’t be forgotten anytime soon, according to an expert.

“It’s definitely not a good look that the Academy members left out Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie for directing and starring in a movie that’s largely about how impressive women are often marginalized,” says Dave Karger, Turner Classic Movies host and author of 50 Oscar Nights.

“Even though [Robbie and Gerwig] both received nominations for their work on Barbie in other categories, these two high-profile omissions will be remembered — and they will sting — for a long time,” Karger tells PEOPLE.

The film’s comedic nature may have also affected overall nominations, he adds.

“I do think that the Academy membership has a bit of a bias, unconscious or otherwise, against true comedies and towards heavier dramas,” says Karger. “Greta and Margot surely made it on to thousands of ballots, but since those ballots are weighted towards voters’ No. 1 and No. 2 favorites, we can assume they simply didn’t earn enough of those top-tier votes.”

[From People]

“These two high-profile omissions will be remembered — and they will sting — for a long time.” Is he saying it will sting for Robbie and Gerwig, or it will sting for the Academy that they bungled it so badly? As all of the Barbie-haters have screamed a million times by now, Gerwig and Robbie will both be fine – Barbie’s success ensures that they will get to make anything they want with any kind of financing. Robbie proved herself as one of the top producers in the industry, and Greta is already working on Narnia. But yeah, the snubs will “sting” for Robbie and Gerwig personally and professionally, and they’ll also sting for the industry. If there’s one thing AMPAS doesn’t want, it’s to look this out of touch, this sexist, this anti-woman. AMPAS has spent years trying to weather the “Oscars So White” issues, and now their voters are discriminating against white women who made the most successful and creative movie of the year? Come on, it’s bad.

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  1. Chic says:

    As a POC, this story is ridiculous. In Hollywood, POC get passed over all the time.

    • Imara219 says:

      Yeah, I’m floored. Completely floored, and honestly, it makes me really sad. Black women have to fight so hard, and even when we make great, wonderful films and we get snubbed, it’s crickets from the other side about the outrage in those snubs. This year, there are think pieces about how wrong it is for these powerful white women not to get nominated for these very specific awards (even though, as a producer, Robbie should feel great pride in a BP nod), and I’m aghast with the optics of this entire argument.

    • Southern Crone says:

      This! All of this. The moaning about these two women is overshadowing the remarkable accomplishments of women of color who were nominated – Danielle Brooks, Da’Vine Joy Randolph, America Ferrara and the first Native American woman to be nominated, Lily Gladstone. We can pretend this is about feminism, but it’s really about white feminism.

      • Sophia’s Side Eye says:

        Exactly. This is white feminism writ large in case anyone doesn’t know what it is. I guess everyone would be happy if Barbie had been nominated and one of the women of color wasn’t. I saw a great question the other day and it was, who should step down in order to give Gerwig and Robbie THEIR place? Because that’s what it would take for them to have been nominated, and the answer was *crickets* They know what they’re doing.

    • elizabeth says:

      A lot of really great people and movies got nominated! As Southern Crone says, many women of color. And Justine Triet for Anatomy of a Fall. I think it’s great that the directors of two smaller movies (Anatomy of a Fall and Zone of Interest) that are also foreign got nominated. The Academy opened up its membership to more countries, and these are the results.

      Not only is Lily Gladstone history making, but also Colman Domingo.

      I am more sad that the Hollywood club that got Andrea Riseborough nominated last year did nothing for Greta Lee or Aunjaunue Ellis. I wish there was more outcry about how Past Lives and Caste got shut out. That Caste did not even get an adapted screenplay nod is infuriating. That book is so dense and rich; I have no idea how Ava DuVernay was like this book should be a movie, and not even just a straight documentary.

    • Maddy says:

      100%.

      Every time I see someone losing their mind over this supposed snub, all I can think is “Sounds about white”.

      Ridiculous.

    • Janice Hill says:

      You make an excellent point. And when people of color have been and are still left out of nominations, we should be shouting about it just as loudly. And if and when they don’t win, we should be just as angry. Denzel Washington is only the second man of color to win best actor, and it wasn’t even for one of his best films. And Halle Berry was the first black woman to wind best actress. No black director has ever won. That doesn’t take away from the financial, critical and popular success of the Barbie movie, which is huge. It also doesn’t negate the huge negative reaction about the movie from men of any color. On this website, someone was saying Ken was the best part of the movie. We are supposed to be laughing at Ken when he sings his protest song, “I’m Just Ken” (which is hilarious and fabulous and a good song). The academy needs constant pressure to recognize a wider range of films and film makers. The last 15 years or so have been great for the kind of pressure needed. But it remains that it’s a heck of a lot easier for white men and their films to be nominated than any other group or category of people in the film industry. And the academy is notorious for snubbing comedy of any kind made by anyone, including white men. It remains that epic dramas are always favored to be nominated and win when Oscars should only be about the most superior storytelling, acting, writing and filmmaking of the year. I say protest on!

      • BQM says:

        Roger Ross Williams won an Oscar for directing a short form documentary. It led to other opportunities like the 1619 Project.

      • Nicola says:

        I would love to see Issa up there, waving a best director award around. But, of course, she will have to overcome two taboos. She’s black. She’s a woman. As long as white men are in charge, both groups will have a long time to wait. If ever.

  2. tanesha86 says:

    White women are being completely ridiculous about this film. It was ham fisted, camp (in a bad way) and juvenile. If that’s what you call best picture, best director or best actress material I suggest you raise your standards. There was nowhere near this level of outrage over The Woman King which was exponentially superior, an ACTUAL snub

    • LeahTheFrench says:

      I agree with you, tanesha86: I think the Woman King was a vastly superior movie – deeper, more artistic (though I do think GG has a unique creative vision, too, that’s not in dispute)… It took my breath away. An unexplained snub indeed.

    • from another place says:

      I’m still upset about The Woman King being snubbed tbh and wish there had been a fraction of this outrage. (that last minute Riseborough campaign that resulted in two Black women being pushed out of the best actress race still bugs me). That Black woman directed, Black woman produced and Black woman starring film (The Woman King) deserved better in my view. I haven’t seen Barbie (nothing against it, still plan to see it when I get a chance) but I know the reviews and the box office were good and that the precursors suggested it would clean up and it didn’t; I understand the disappointment over that. I just wish folks had kept the same energy…and question where the Latina nominee (America Ferrera) fits in to the blanket claims of sexism (not disputing that there is sexism at play – this is the Oscars…and the world, after all, but the blanket nature of the outrage feels like some erasure of America’s accomplishment and like she should be somewhere sitting feeling bad about her own career milestone).

  3. bergamot says:

    Omg, how long are they going to cry about it?! Enough already.

    • sparrow says:

      I know. Dear heavens. It won’t “sting” for a long time. I didn’t like the film that much, and I’m certainly not liking their reaction to other people who didn’t rate it. The hype around the film was massive – it delivered for lots, but didn’t for a significant minority. It’s obvious it didn’t deliver for the oscar board.

    • Call_Me_AL says:

      But it’s not Greta and Margot who are crying? It’s other people?!
      I don’t think GG and MR are responsible for other people crying on their behalf. They’re probably disappointed but also satisfied with being a global phenomenon and all the $$ they got. I would be. Plus nominations other than BD and BA.

  4. girl_ninja says:

    Thinking that Barbie wasn’t a good movie isn’t doing the work of the patriarchy. It also wasn’t a bad film. Robbie and Gerwig will be fine as they are wealthy white women with immense privilege. And yes, they have worked and earned it but the privilege is still there. They will be fine.

    I will share this again…All this outrage for a two women who have still been nominated and nary a word over the decades of black women and brown women routinely snubs from these awards.

    Make it make sense.

    • Imara219 says:

      I see these types of arguments in my reading groups. If you don’t like a particular romance book, for example, and share why you don’t like it, people will get upset and say you are kink shaming or yucking someone’s yum or being really mean to the author because you are speaking why you don’t like it. Some will take it a step further and discuss how it’s because those critics must have a problem with women’s sexuality and women’s sexual release and want to be dismissive. I have deep issues with that mindset and line of thinking. As a form of art, it can be criticized constructively. People can discuss what they did not like about that product. People doing so does not automatically equate to tearing down others/choices/feminism/etc.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      @girlninja, 💯

    • Sue says:

      100% this. As the article above even stated itself, in broad terms comedy get much less respect that drama. Existing IP from comic books/cartoons gets less respect than stories of epic courtroom/capitol speeches. And in terms of box office success…a reminder that the first Aquaman grossed more than $1B. Does that mean the director automatically should have been nominated? Robbie and Gerwig may still very well go home with an Oscar in hand when the night is over. We’re supposed to be mad that they might not each get two???

    • Megab says:

      Two things can be true at once. BIPOC women have always been snubbed by the Oscars, but so have women directors. Barbie was a blockbuster that also paid attention to the nuances of film making that Oscar voters say they care about. The fact that two women produced the 14th highest grossing movie of all time doesn’t sit well in a male-dominated industry that considers women’s bodies their personal playground.

      • LTA says:

        The $$$$ a movie makes is completely unrelated to Oscar recognition. Historically, in fact, the running joke is that Best Picture is often awarded to movies barely anyone has seen. Birdman and Shape of Water did not win BP because of their box office, I can assure you. The award for high-grossing movies is….MONEY. Not to mention, basically automatic greenlight for their directors and producers (in this case Greta and Margot) to make whatever movies they want in the future.

      • Kingston says:

        @Megab
        “Two things can be true at once. BIPOC women have always been snubbed by the Oscars, but so have women directors.”

        Are you sure this is how you wanted to say this?: “…BIPOC women” v “women…..”

  5. Sasha says:

    It’s not a race to the bottom. It’s possible for several things to be true: that POC are accustomed to being dismissed and unrecognised and that this is a travesty, that white women occupy a position of privilege in comparison, that both WOC and white women suffer to different degrees under patriarchy, and that snubbing Margot and Greta *should* make the Oscar voters feel ashamed and think critically about why they voted as they did. I can understand the “boohoo shut up” reaction being expressed but does that ultimately further the cause of any women, anywhere? No, it doesn’t.

    • Commonsense says:

      This isn’t the great attack on feminism that y’all are trying to make it.

    • Avonan says:

      Agree, @Sasha. The Academy is notoriously both racist and sexist. Numerous articles have called out this body of primarily white, patriarchal insiders. That the “Best” snubs in this instance happen for a film targeting harmful gender stereotypes is almost laughable. All this being said, the Academy is also egregiously backwards in recognizing comedies as worthy of Oscars. GG and MR will be fine, true, but will we? What films could we all have access to if the back rooms were populated with a more inclusive body? Time will tell if this is indeed a watershed moment for more inclusivity in films and awards.

  6. Marietta2381 says:

    While I am not a “Barbie Hater,” I did not enjoy it as much as the masses. Yes, it was a good movie, but this has gone on long enough. Margot and Greta are nominated for other awards! And as the above posters have stated, POC have been passed over for decades. Stop bitching about two women who are literally nominated in other categories (Best Picture & Best Adapted Screenplay)!

    Also, I am displeased that everyone and their brother keeps calling this movie original. From a writing standpoint, it is not original. AT ALL. The Barbie doll has existed for nearly 65 years. Not to mention all of the cartoons relating to Barbie, etc. In order to have an “original” screenplay, the characters and everything else about that screenplay need to be original.

    • C says:

      Your writing comment is not strictly true. There are films with original screenplay Academy nominations that are not completely invented characters and scenarios. Francis Ford Coppola’s Academy Award for Patton comes to mind. The criteria also seems to be arbitrary sometimes – like when Moonlight was considered “original” screenplay in every other award show but was “adapted” for the Academy, while The Barbarian Invasions was nominated as original despite being a sequel. Barbie’s “adapted screenplay” appears to be less about the originality and more of a legal issue with Mattel.

  7. Jazz Hands says:

    I think the bigger question is why did Ryan Gosling get a nom. I’m glad the set designers were nominated though because that was my favourite thing about the movie.

    • Anonymous says:

      Because…it was a good performance? Would you have preferred that Margot was nominated in the Best Supporting Actor category?

  8. Kirsten says:

    Eh. I’ve said that I think Gerwig probably deserved a nomination, but: (1) Both Robbie and Gerwig have been nominated before (Gerwig for Best Director, and Robbie for Best Actress even); (2) This wasn’t Robbie’s best performance; and (3) There were A WHOLE SLEW of other women directors (many with better films) who also weren’t nominated.

    • Kitten says:

      “There were A WHOLE SLEW of other women directors (many with better films) who also weren’t nominated.”

      Yup. DuVernay snubbed for Best Director and “Origin” snubbed entirely. Celine Song denied for Past Lives–and now argue with me how Past Lives isn’t “Oscar-worthy” *eyeroll*
      In 100 years, only THREE women have won best director. People keep drilling down on Barbie and Greta and Robbie but to me, it’s just the fact that the Academy has always been racist and sexist TBH. And maybe that’s just a convenient thing for me to say because I don’t care about an industry rewarding itself, but my point is that none of this is new. If people are finally taking notice now then cool because the #OscarsSoWhite campaign is literally the ONLY reason why the Academy started recognizing black excellence in film. They would have continued to ignore POC otherwise. But now let’s start talking about black women directors getting some recognition as well as stories by black women about black women.

      “Of the 116 directors evaluated in 2023, 12.1% were women. Across all 17 years and 1,769 directors, 6% were women. There has been an increase from 2007, when the percentage of women helmers was 2.7%. Yet there’s little to celebrate, given that in 2022, 9% of top box office directors were women.”-from Annenberg Inclusion Initiative

      I have less of an interest in obsessing over whether Barbie was a good movie or “Oscar-worthy” or whateve. I’d rather talk about how the Academy effin sucks and has a long-ass way to go to reflect the true diversity featured in cinema as well as in movie audiences.

  9. Valentina says:

    The director category is packed, but Margot could have easily got a best actress nom for her work and I’m glad it’s being discussed it. Meanwhile, both Greta and Margot have been quiet about their respective snubs, I don’t think they are running to people to publicly their disappointment.

  10. meli says:

    Maybe instead of yelling “patriarchy” look at some of the great think pieces on white feminism that are coming out as a response. That should be worth your time and will be interesting to see if anyone on this site addresses it.

    That elephant in the room sits on my shoulders every damn day. Y’all need to settle down.

    • Walking the Walk says:

      They will never do that because this whole thing made them all look pretty terrible. I told someone the other day, these same women screaming about feminism are going to vote for Donald Trump. They can miss me with this solidarity for white women mess they have happening right now.

      • sparrow says:

        As a woman of mixed ethnic background but white, if you get what I mean, they are annoying the hell out of me at this point. IMO the privileged “snub” talk transcends white women feeling sorry for other white women. The arrogance in their response to not being nominated is the arrogance of the muddled feminist message they delivered in what they thought was a cultural phenomenon for all women. It seems to say, pity us for not being rewarded for what we did for women and the money we made. The film didn’t land well for many white women, as well, inc me. They are full of themselves to a degree I can’t comprehend.

  11. Slippers4life says:

    I think this is an opportunity for a larger conversation about privilege, patriarchy, and intersectionality. It makes sense to have strong reactions to this entire situation from a variety of lenses. Specifically shining the light on the Oscars, those doing the nominating and voting are absolutely perpetuating white privilege and patriarchy. They continue to oppress the art and work of Black artists particularly Black women. An Indigenous woman, Sacheen Littlefeather, was attacked for goodness sake! The Oscar’s, like so many facets of society, continues to put white cis gender males on a pedestal. A pedestal of privilege where, whomever is put on it, can look down upon others and say, “I am the best one”. Which, okay, it’s an award ceremony, but it’s also symbolic of the pedestal we as a society continue the provide to white males and it is this pedestal that allows for oppression. Nobody is saying white women aren’t oppressed or arent snubbed. What is being said is that feminism is supposed to be about equality for everyone and tearing down oppressive structures, NOT about fighting to be the next oppressor group standing on that pedestal above others. So, to me, it’s a larger conversation about what awards like the “Oscars” symbolize about our society and its structures and who we privilege and why. I think there is room to say that Barbie, specifically Gerwig’s directing and Robbie’s acting was better than many white males who are also nominated in my opinion and I do think the academy is sending a message that it doesnt want women standing on its pedestal regardless of how good their work is. I also think that it’s crucial that we say that Margo Robbie and Greta Gerwig stand on many other pedestals denied to Black and Indigenous People and POC regardless of how good their work is. Anytime we have a large reaction to something seemingly trivial like an awards ceremony, it means something. It means we need to take time to reflect on, what are we missing? and what does this moment represent? I hope it represents a catalyst for important conversations about how we still to this day are getting equity wrong and until we get equity right, we are going to have large reactions to moments where people are put on pedestals.

    • Nina says:

      This is a thoughtful comment. I didn’t understand the outrage over the lack of noms for Robbie and Gerwig, who already occupy such privileged positions in society and in a white male-dominated industry, and for a movie that in my opinion was the equivalent of a Marvels action movie. I hope this dialogue helps more women-centered movies and directors to be recognized. I just didn’t think this was a great example but understand that many people loved the film. I thought Jane campions Piano (way back in the 90s) was interesting, stunning, and an “Oscar” movie. But yes, she is one of only a very few to have been recognized.

      As a WOC (but not black), I admit that I haven’t seen a lot of movies about the black experience. Im going to make an effort to watch and learn more. Im Asian and I don’t see the same level of outrage over Past Lives either; both the director and actress weren’t recognized. But maybe Past Lives also isn’t the typical Oscar movie. Ultimately I think the box office means a lot more than the awards, for influencing what movies get made, and in that regard, Barbie’s already won.

      Anyway, if this outrage helps to further awareness about sexism in Hollywood (umm no kidding it’s sexist?), then great. But hope it helps to open doors for BIPOC and WOC too.

      • Slippers4life says:

        100% agree

      • Kate says:

        I think that Oscar nominations and wins do make a difference in what gets made in Hollywood going forward…for SOME people. Actors, directors, producers who have been nominated for or won an Oscar are going to be given more opportunities moving forward, and that’s partly why it’s a big deal to a lot of people. Of course, certain people still have an uphill battle even after being recognized by the Oscars – I don’t think Yalitza Aparicio has had opportunities since being an Oscar winner for example. Cis women have the ability to be recognized in certain categories that are specifically designated for women and there it’s painfully obvious that the women predominantly recognized have been white, with a few exceptions. In the directors category, where there is no best male/female director, it’s painfully obvious that men are predominantly recognized. In many years there are no female directors nominated at all. I think some of the outrage/frustration with respect to GG is about that, where even though she has been nominated pretty consistently at this year’s award shows, the voting groups still show that given the opportunity they will shut women out, and that is what is disappointing. It’s not more disappointing then other female directors being shut out this year or in other years, but the irony is especially sharp when it’s for a movie that had a particular message about the patriarchy and its impact society.

  12. Imara219 says:

    Especially Blank Panther 1. That movie was a cultural watershed moment with a stellar A+ cast, great adapted screenplay, cinematography, etc. It was a blockbuster (in February) and crushed it acting-wise. There was nary a peep about a snub. I’m confused here because Barbie has 8 noms, and they are in some great/big categories.

  13. tealily says:

    Just throwing it out there that intersectional feminism doesn’t mean we only support the most “intersectional” women, it means that we we all support each other in our intermeshed fight for equality. It’s not just the people who tick the most boxes who get to complain about it. I show up for you, you show up for me. It’s all one patriarchal power structure, folks.

  14. FuefinaWG says:

    While the first half of the film was brilliant, the 2nd half was not.

  15. JC says:

    I am so SICK of Barbie. It wasn’t that great. There’s other bs going on that’s more important. Also, Poor Things for me was way more empowering. I’m just sick of this shit.

    • sparrow says:

      I know. It’s too much. A significant minority of us thought it was poor. The nature of the press around this “snub” feels like women are almost expected, as women, to feel for these women who made a film about women. Brings to mind when I used to do piano competitions and there was this girl who was always no 1. She and her family were a menace. At one comp, she walked up to the stage before the results were announced, thinking that she’d got it in the bag, and just stood there as another girl was given the cup. Expectation of greatness is no guarantee.

  16. Concern Fae says:

    What is being missed here is that the racists and misogynists are the same damn people. The people who passed over Barbie are not going to show up for POC. So getting mad about this does help everyone. Letting white women push back against shitty white men is an overall good. You want to sit this one out, not a problem at all. But undercutting the people who do want to make it an issue is not helping people further down the intersectionality ladder.

    One related note. There was only one woman nominee, but there were two international ones. The Academy has been looking to have more of a global membership, a lot of it in the director category. This may seem like a good thing, but we need to remember that the rest of the world is in many ways worse in terms of misogyny than the US and also has little concern about righting the historical (and current) wrongs of Hollywood and the US.

    • Walking the Walk says:

      Since white women don’t show up for Black women that’s not the argument you think you are making. And that’s why a ton of WOC and Black women are sick of hearing this mess right now.

  17. Onnie says:

    The movie wasnt Oscar material. Gerwig was too weary of the audience for it. She made some nice subtext but it was faaaar too soft to make real impact. I enjoyed it but doubt I’d ever rewatch it.

  18. 2lazy4username says:

    I mean, we are talking about an organization that nominates Top Gun for best picture. Beautiful, earnest films and performances get “snubbed” all the time in favor of these stupid, formulaic blockbusters and the players within. These women will be fine.

  19. C says:

    I think the outrage over the snubs has been excessive – the first statements were enough.
    But, I will say this: The Exorcist is often the example used to counter the narrative that Barbie was the most financially successful movie for WB, and indeed adjusting for inflation, it was. Yet it was undoubtedly a phenomenon when it came out and that combined with box office played a role in securing William Friedkin Best Director. It’s true that plenty of terrible films gross lots of money and are not Oscar worthy in the slightest – but it’s also true that there are plenty of decent enough films whose box office certainly propelled some Oscar recognition. I wouldn’t call Forrest Gump the pinnacle of cinematic success but it’s another example – and Robert Zemeckis picked up the Best Director Oscar for that one too. In terms of Academy precedent, there are plenty of films in its history that experienced similar treatment to Barbie and those directors usually clinch the nomination.
    So in terms of the Academy, yes, ignoring Greta for Best Director is a snub.
    Nevetheless the arguments over the snub which do not focus on the historic nominations of other nonwhite women are also not helpful.
    My view is, ultimately, there are white men who were nominated this year whose spots could have been ably filled by Gerwig and Prince-Bythewood. And I think that is what should be discussed most of all by the women upset by this.

  20. honeychild says:

    The more this is discussed, the more out of touch the people fuming seem. Especially, when America Ferrera is standing right there with a nomination. All I heard about after Barbie hit theaters was America’s speech and Ryan Gosling as Ken. No one really raved about Margot’s acting as I recall. I am sure she was excellent in her portrayal but no one buzzed about it in particular. I heard the movie was really good and America and Ryan stood out. That’s it. And, that’s why they both sneaked in with a nod. Also, 10 pictures were nominated for best picture, only 5 directors get nominated. Barbie was a great commercial success but everyone knows the directors’ wing of the Academy typically goes for more serious, heady art house fare. And several times over the years a film has won Best Picture and the director was not nominated. Greta and Margot will be fine.

  21. NikkiK says:

    If nothing else, I hope this brouhaha opens a discussion about how often white women are part of the problem and are only seemingly capable of identifying with and showing solidarity with women who look like them. I also can’t help but wonder if folks would be this outraged if Margot and Greta weren’t both white white, blonde, and conventionally attractive? Would people care as much if Melissa McCarthy was “snubbed” or someone else who didn’t fit into the very narrow white beauty standards? Where was the outrage last year when Danielle and Viola were “snubbed” when both had been considered locks the entire award season……

  22. idontlie says:

    This ”article” is a bunch of ridiculous BS. Especially the part about Gerwig being snubbed because the academy was trying to prove OscarsSoWhite is not true anymore when every nominee in the Best Director category is White. Even the Best Actress category is 4/5 White.

  23. Christine says:

    Boycott the Emmys!

  24. Jules says:

    It’s funny that so many “but but but what about…” and “this film we can’t stop arguing about is just a bad light comedy” comments got copied and pasted to this thread.

    Since you folks are still so confused, let me give you the explanations you keep saying you need.

    – It’s a controversial and polarizing film with huge cultural impact, not a light comedy.

    – It certainly does appear sexist when the achievement is acknowledged (e.g., best pic nom), but the leaders who achieved it are conspicuously left out (e.g., no best director nom.)

    – Sexism still isn’t OK when applied to white women, even privileged white women.

    – Calling out sexism does not diminish the achievements of others, including well-deserved recognition for WOC.

    – No one is telling you that your outrage is required. It’s aok if you simply don’t agree that sexism played a role here, and aok if you choose to say so.

    – BUT when you DARVO other people calling out sexism – yes, even when it’s regarding a film, or a person, that you don’t like – you *are* doing the patriarchy’s work. There’s no shame in that.. The patriarchy has been around for a long time precisely because we all keep feeding it. And therein lies the key to it’s defeat.

    Patriarchy keeps everyone down, including you and me, not through force but through influence. Starve it, and it will fall.

    • Tanesha86 says:

      Here’s the last thing I’ll say regarding the current backlash against white feminists and white feminism in general then imma drop it. What infuriates me the most about this whole situation is seeing how quickly white women are willing and able to mobilize when it comes to issues personal to THEM. It’s not only infuriating but absolutely fucking heartbreaking because there’s no solidarity with other marginalized women. Y’all always get tunnel vision and laser focus on your own goals, relegating the rest of us to an afterthought. If we’re lucky. And it truly saddens me to think about how much progress we could actually be making if y’all put this much effort into supporting the women who don’t look like you. But y’all don’t. All this talk about the patriarchy, misogyny and discrimination but absolutely no thought given to how y’all participate in those behaviors with other marginalized women on the receiving end. I am tired 😮‍💨

  25. Dierski says:

    I rewatched Barbie tonight at home (had seen it once in the theater) and enjoyed it thoroughly, again. Still feel that Margot was much more deserving of a nom than Ryan (though he was hilarious), and Gerwig did a great job from start to finish. It’s a shame, but right on historical-track-wise that they weren’t nominated… I wanted to be surprised by it, but no, just feels par for the course.

  26. Catwoman says:

    This smacks of “what aboutism”. POC (of which I am) can do better. Negating the accomplishments of white women because POC have been overlooked in the past serves no purpose other than bringing us all down.

  27. Grant says:

    Ryan’s Ken was a scene-stealer for sure and America’s monologue was a scorcher but Margot was the heart and soul of Barbie for me. She gave a beautifully nuanced performance so I’m genuinely saddened to see her excluded from the final nominees. Similarly, Greta did fantastic directing work and spearheaded an incredible vision that I will remember for a long time, so I’m bummed that she was also excluded from Best Director.

  28. DaChickenLady says:

    I am a WOC who enjoyed Barbie and think GG and MR were snubbed this year. I also think Greta Lee, Fantasia Barrino, Taraji P. Henson, Teyana Taylor, Charles Melton were snubbed.

    Why not have 10 nomination spots for the actor and actress categories? If they can do it for Best Picture, they can do it for the acting categories. Recognition is important. Visibility is important.

    As many have pointed out, two things can be true at the same time. Many in the Academy are racist AND sexist.