Some of you have theorized that the American gossip media is once again applying pressure on the British media to figure out what the hell is going on with the Princess of Wales. We don’t need to go through the six-months-long history of shenanigans, suffice to say, some really weird sh-t is happening. I do find it notable that the two biggest “Kate won’t be seen for the rest of the year/she might never come back to the same role” pieces were published in the American media, the Daily Beast and Us Weekly respectively. Us Weekly’s cover story this week has been widely picked up by other American outlets too, all while the British media stays silent as the grave. Like, not even the Daily Mail did coverage of Us Weekly’s cover story. It’s just something to keep your eye on – the Windsors are soft-launching certain storylines in the American media, all while keeping the British media on a short leash. Meanwhile, Harper’s Bazaar ran this very odd pushback on Us Weekly’s piece:
Princess Kate’s cancer treatment and recovery will keep her away from returning to public duties for a little while longer. Kensington Palace recently provided an update on the Princess of Wales’s work status, once again reiterating that she is not expected to come back to work until her medical team advises her to do so.
“We have been really clear that [Kate] needs the space and the privacy to recover right now,” a palace spokesperson told Us Weekly. “She will return to work when she has had the green light from doctors.”
A source for the outlet alleged that Kate “may never come back in the role that people saw her in before,” but a royal insider tells Harper’s Bazaar that such a claim is “unfair and untrue.”
“There is no information about Kate’s ‘return’ because the focus at this moment in time is 100% on her health—to suggest she won’t return to her role is unfair and untrue,” the source explains. “Conversations of that nature are just not being had. When the time is right, she will resume her work.”
Of how Kate is currently doing, the source said she is “in good spirits,” adding, “She is focused on her health and family.”
“To suggest she won’t return to her role is unfair and untrue…Conversations of that nature are just not being had. When the time is right, she will resume her work.” “When the time is right” is doing the heavy lifting. Once again, I understand the “Kate is under medical advice” argument. But the messaging from the palace is schizophrenic: Kate can’t work and can’t do any public events about her health BUT we also insist that she’s out with her family regularly and running errands and stopping by the grocery store, but of course there are no photos! All they’ve done for the past four months is successfully kick the can down the road further and further.
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- CARDIFF, WALES – OCTOBER 03: Catherine, Princess of Wales visits Fitzalan High School as she celebrates the beginning of Black History Month on October 03, 2023 in Cardiff, Wales. In celebration of the 75th anniversary of the arrival of HMT Empire Windrush, the Prince and Princess of Wales will hear from pupils about the work they have been doing around black history.,Image: 810535032, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: *** NO UK USE FOR 48 HRS ***, Model Release: no, Credit line: Chris Jackson / Avalon
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- London, UK, 01 November 2023: The Princess of Wales meets group members in the Arnos Arms during a visit to “Dadvengers”, a community for dads and their children, in Arnos Grove, north London, to highlight the important role that dads play in their children’s earliest years as part of her Shaping Us campaign on early childhood. Dadvengers is predominately an online community which works to support dads on their journey through parenthood. It has a strong focus on mental wellbeing and supports new fathers in a variety of ways including through online training programmes, podcasts, and more recently the in-person Dad Walks.,Image: 818764930, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: ***NO UK USE FOR 48 HOURS***, *** NO UK USE FOR 48 HRS ***, Model Release: no, Credit line: Yui Mok / Avalon
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I can’t see in any world that Kate or Carole would let this speculation happen unless Kate is physically and/or mentally unable to respond. The whole Middleton clan not leaking anything to the UK media is pretty shocking.
Beginning to wonder if William offered to bail them out financially if they stay quiet.
Sitting in a 4 million pound house, they are not poor, surely their daughter would come before money.
@Rosa Carole Middleton pimped Kate out to William so yes, she, and her silence, is easily purchased.
@Rosa the only thing that has ever made me feel bad for Kate (aside from cancer) is that her family doesn’t see or value her as anything other than an instrument for improving their own lives. They have never had her back unless it was to make her be William’s doormat.
That time they broke up publicly? A real fam would have gotten her miles away.
Depends on the context. I’ve seen people suggest that the Middletons accepted bribes to cover up Kate’s murder, which is obviously ludicrous, but if she’s suffering from mental illness, or her cancer is terminal or potentially terminal, or she had a breakdown and realised how unhappy she is and wants out, all of those are situations where it makes sense that the Middletons would keep quiet.
It is very possible Will-not owns their home. The rumors around the time the Middleton’s purchased that home indicated that Willy used his inheritance money from Diana to purchase it for them. He has managed to completely silence Ma Middleton in the press somehow. Holding the Manor and threatening them with bad press around Party Pieces collapse make as much sense as anything.
And remember those articles about Ma Middleton siding with W against her own daughter when they fought. That was back when she lived with them or spent enough time there to decorate one of their mansions.
Sadly a mother like that isn’t going to fight for her daughter over the patriarchy/monarchy, she’ll fight to keep her daughter in it.
SamuelWhisker, I’ve waffled on what to believe about all of this, but I THINK that whatever her medical issue is/was that it was significant and took some time to recover. I think it might be Bone Idle who is not sure she wants to return to what was. A significant illness will make you take stock of your life. She may now want more than what she had, and that might mean she won’t go back to royal duties. She may want a divorce. Time will tell.
Having lost my father to pancreatic cancer where he went from diagnosis to death in 6 months, I pray it isn’t what I suspect. My dad looked healthy and danced and surfed and went on fabulous holidays until about the last month. Other than the weight loss, it wasn’t super obvious and he truly had the chance to “live like he was dying.” The narrative makes sense if Kate is indeed suffering from terminal cancer. She may be well enough to go shopping. William may be more than willing to shop and walk and hold hands with his wife recalling their more simple times doing so in Wales when they were in some kind of love. Knowing someone is about to die changes things. She would rightfully not want to work. At her children’s ages, she may not want them to know how bad it is until the very end so they can enjoy the time together in a more normal way. I really hope I’m wrong but it’s what makes the most sense to me.
I am starting to think this WHOLE drama began when Willy said he either wants a divorce or a complete separate life. She or Ma Mids were not going down without a fight,not after all the resources,blood,sweat and tears poured into ‘Catch a Prince’. This was one thing that Kate was not going to let Willy roll all over her on,she must have put up a fight,refused any appearances and declared if there is a divorce she will need a Huge pay out and all the comforts. Maybe they have not matched an offer yet, maybe she said she will bring the Windsor house down and maybe William withdrew the divorce.
Kate should move on and not continue to stay in a marriage where the husband can’t stand being with her. It will only get worse.if William wants out nothing will deter him.
There is no way Kate Middleton would want a divorce instead of private separate lives with all of the Royal shit she is enarmoured with.
A divorce ensures she is no longer a HRH, no longer legally the POW, no longer entitled to security, no longer entitled to any deference, and, what’s worse for her, another woman will step into her shoes in a heartbeat so she will get to see another woman be crowned alongside William. After everything she sacrificed? No way in hell. I’d bet she would be very content to lead separate lives privately while being family in public.
If someone wants out it has always been William. We will see if he gets his way or not.
I have to agree, Cee. There is no way Kate wants to spend the rest of her life watching her kids be mothered by another woman from a balcony or walks to church for various holidays, etc.
If William wants out he will leave. He would retaliate if she makes a fuss by having his minions criticize Kate. Diana said she did not want a divorce but it did not matter
Yes you would think that especially Carole would be talking. They have made a mess out of where is Can’t. They can’t keep their story straight.
Regardless of who leaked it, this was a test balloon, to see the public reaction to Kate stepping aside. It seems that William will be blamed in such a case. And Rose will be seen as guilty, too.
Camilla waited a long time for Charles – but the hard truth is she needed Charles’ financial assistance, especially after her divorce! Rose does not – she can retreat into her lavender marriage, privilege, and luxury.
IMO, everyone is just testing the waters here.
I’d never agree to a divorce – no matter how miserable I was – if it meant I had to relinquish my children to that emotionally dysfunctional mafia known as The Firm.
Diana never lost custody of the kids so it wouldn’t happen to Kate. Not unless she was physically unable to care for them.
I believe the Mids have been threatened with prosecution if they dare open their mouths. They just went through a shady bankruptcy, the kind of thing most motivated prosecutors can do something with. IF the RF says shut up or we will make sure you do jail time and all your assets are seized for XYZ fraud (or perhaps for some questionable gardening…) I wouldn’t be talking either. Those would be credible threats.
“They just went through a shady bankruptcy, the kind of thing most motivated prosecutors can do something with.”
That’s not really a thing outside America, unfortunately.
The bankruptcy was certainly very morally shady but there’s nothing to indicate they didn’t follow UK bankruptcy law to the letter.
Please. We’re so confident there are no paper crimes in and amongst the Party Pieces ledgers? Both those that have been publicly documented and those that haven’t been disclosed or reported on? I would actually be much more surprised if there’s nothing. It’s hard to do things perfectly even you’re scrupulous, which the Mids aren’t.
And there’s still that pot farm next to their house.
“Please. We’re so confident there are no paper crimes in and amongst the Party Pieces ledgers? Both those that have been publicly documented and those that haven’t been disclosed or reported on? I would actually be much more surprised if there’s nothing. It’s hard to do things perfectly even you’re scrupulous, which the Mids aren’t.”
Yeah but that’s simply not how the British legal system works, unfortunately.
The only way “prosecutors” would be able to get involved is if someone personally affected went to the police with evidence an actual crime had been committed against them personally (unpaid debts don’t count), and it’s extremely unlikely they would be able to do anything since a bankruptcy protects people.
From my perspective of this “source”, this finally IS the Middleton camp pushing back. And in following this whole debacle, this says to me that whatever is going on health/crisis/divorce she actually is “okay”.
Why is someone commenting as me? Please note this isn’t the original sparrow, the one who delights in beaniebean having two laptops etc and usually comments under Jaded and Becks1. This has happened to me before and I had to change my username. Surely this time there can’t be two of an even more unusual name?
@sparrow its probably someone newer who didn’t check to see if a name was being used. It’s why I go by Becks1 as stupid as it is. There was someone here named Becks who used to post but left I think, and then someone named CanadianBecks who posts sometimes and someone named Bex and someone else named Becks who posted a few days ago etc.
I figured this poster wasn’t you bc your name shows up in blue for me for some reason.
@sparrow the OG. Happened to me too, hence my silly name. I will say, if you are seen as good at reasonable, balanced approaches bots do target names to cause upset, on several sites/accounts. It gets worse towards the election and also around calling out injustices. I truly loathe when BIPOC spaces are invaded. I don’t know the answer and I support the instinct when it feels fishy.
Hi Becks1 and Lilly (with the double L). The rational part of me thinks it’s just someone who’s chosen a random name and it happens to be ‘mine’. Like Becks says. It’s a pretty random name to pick, tho. My previous name I could kind of understand – Robin. So I ditched that when another person adopted it. Part of me thinks Lilly makes sense, as well. I do tend to sit on the fence on some issues, altho I go mad on others! Largely, I’m a moderate poster. Is that what you mean? I’m going to change it again. Probably to another bird or sparrow1. Really annoying. I’ll go for “sparrow1”. I’m too busy to think of another flighted animal! ps, yes, Becks1, my name usually posts in blue, that’s why the intruder sparrow caught my eye, plus the capital S. It was my name but black. I assumed we all posted and our names turned blue for our reference. I’m beginning to think I’m going nuts!
Sparrow, Sparrow1, Becks1 and Lilly (with the double L) you all need to watch this Michael McIntyre sketch about people who spell their names differently. I hope the link works!
– Dandelion2 😉
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The Middleton family silence might be simply due to NDAs signed prior to the wedding. There’s nooooo way the entire family creepy uncle included weren’t required to sign NDAs!
The thing is, that’s their bread and butter…at least for now. Being the social climbing (no shade) Anglophile ilk they are, they have to fall into line.
I’m slapped both sides. Slapped, other side. Slapped. I don’t get it. Clearly. These people are toxic
Right? The whiplash.
I think the can is just about to arrive at a cul-de-sac.
I agree. “Fish or cut bait” comes to mind. These mixed messages from KP are making my head hurt. Its like “Stop asking questions about Kate but don’t you dare forget she exists!”
Word, well said.
@Sunshine, omg, what a perfect way of phrasing it!! 👏
LOL, @Sunshine.
And Christopher Boozy agrees with you. He’s criticized the Palaces’ unbelievable messaging from the beginning and he said last night on Spoutible that he believes the dam is about to burst.
The can feels like its on a roundabout at this point.
This is where we’ve been headed since KP announced “she’ll be back for Easter… oh wait, she’ll be back for Trooping… oh wait…”
The reason they keep having to kick the can is that Kate is probably still in a coma, or was possibly permanently damaged/disabled by whatever landed her in the situation where she needed to be put in an induced coma. So they might need time to rehab her to where she’s bipedal again or whatever.
Do I think this could be a MH issue for her? No, I do not. I mean, look at her history, and look at last year. This is a woman who is not shy about putting out her own comms, her own message, or about stepping out to raise her profile. She blithely upstaged Cluck and Cloppy at the Chelsea Flower Show last year, ffs. Gardening is “Cluck’s thing” and he was RAGING that she stole his thunder in his first CFS as King. And she literally took on the Rottweiler. This is who she is. The fact she isn’t doing ANY of that tells me she’s physically… offline, but not dead.
Because if she was dead the BRF would paint themselves victims, cloak themselves in mourning and milk the public sympathy to the last drop.
She hasn’t died and I suspect Willy Wankah deeply resents the fact, because in his head he’s already moved on… and started in on gardening at his daddy’s villa in Romania…
I’m having a hard time believing BRF or their courtiers are dropping these stories in the American media though. I think the Rota might do something like that, with the few connections they’ve made, in a bid to smoke out the BRF about the truth. Because I think the Royal Sycophant Squad (courtiers) and the hagiographers are having a power struggle right now… and Murdoch et al aren’t accustomed to losing.
Being shy or being willing to steal Charles’ thunder or take on Camilla has nothing to do with a mental health breakdown.
So I’m gonna argue that while the rota surely does plant stories in the American media that does not mean that the RF is above doing that. William’s “friend” has Tom Sykes on speed dial and I’m sure other RF members and courtiers plant stories in the American media when it suits them. They both do. And yea as Becks1 said, MH can affect anyone.
@ Wheresmytiara Your theories make so much sense. First, Concha Calleja has been standing by her reporting of a coma and Kate not doing well, under immense pressure. Despite the threats, KP has not actually taken any legal action against Calleja or the Spanish publications, indicating the issues with Kate might be primarily physical (although an eventual MH explanation would not be surprising either).
I don’t think KP is leaking alternative info to the US press but either US reporters are looking at the same info as the UK press and coming up with a different take, or as you mention, Rota or other UK commentators are providing stories or tips to US outlets not allowed by the British tabloid cabal.
Okay, sorry, yes agree they could could be smoking out the RF. My mind was going back to the “out and about” story that seemed planted for sure. But these last two stories could be coming from just the rota or sources or wherever.
I’ve never seen an entity that is supposedly the gold standard for all things get it wrong all the time. It’s not even that they aren’t following good PR standards, it’s like they’ve never even seen an episode of Scandal. They’re just comically inept. You can’t keep having divergent messaging and then saying, err what? When people are like what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. It’s not unfair or cruel to ask these questions it’s common sense. I couldn’t tell my boss I needed to be on short-term disability for a slipped disc, and then also post on Instagram about going ziplining and parasailing. One of these things shouldn’t/couldn’t be happening if the other was true.
😂 I can’t tell you how many times I’ve thought of Olivia Pope while reading these articles over the past 5 months.
I can hear Olivia scoffing now.
But we’re called incentive or conspiracy theorist for having common sense and questioning all their lies and contradictions. Of course people are going to speculate there own thoughts of the situation when it’s obvious the one they are telling us is a lie.
That actually makes me so grateful for Celebitchy.
I was on Twitter last night and some of the WhereIsKate stuff was truly disturbing – people staying as fact that George was a twin and that William stole the baby for sacrifice and told Kate it had died. That’s real conspiracy theorist territory, and that’s dangerous because conspiracy theory is nearly always linked to white supremacy. The tweet about the stolen twin had three separate comments about William being controlled by “The Jews.” As a Jewish anti monarchist who enjoyed engaging in the more lighthearted side of WhereIsKate (BBL!) and the more sensible and logical discussions here, it is terrifying to see how much Kate’s disappearance has been co-opted by Q Anon types to push WS theories.
The very sensible logical discussions here, speculating on mental health problems or marital problems are a whole world away from that, and we need to be careful not to let others with an agenda paint us as conspiracy theorists or paint us with that brush, because pointing out all the shadiness is NOT being a conspiracy theorist!
Kate is healthy enough for errands but no healthy enough for work
Schrodinger’s Kate
Well, running errands, shopping, cooking and baking. And let’s not forget editing photos. Not doing thing which require heavy lifting like riding in a carriage (driven by someone else) or standing on a balcony and waving for a minute.
I just realized I have never watched a Trooping in my life, just the photos after. How long are they actually on that balcony?
I had a similar cancer treatment as Kate. Cancer found after surgery, chemo to make sure nothing remained. 6 treatments over 3 months. Lost my hair. Was exhausted and achy. But…I worked. Saw patients. Limited hours and exposure to the public. I did not become a hermit. Life went on. I’m not debating the did she/does she have cancer. I think it’s either far more serious than KP is revealing or they are divorced. Because this middle ground of bs isn’t working. Just admit the truth and keep it moving. She didn’t work that much to begin with.
Except she’s not a hermit. She was “seen out and about” remember? Personally in think she’s been in Norfolk all this time while william is in Londen and windsor. God knows where the children are.
Rebecca English gave out that Kate was seen in public and other media outlets reported that with no other sources. The phrase ‘out and about’ was in quotes across the board. There is no proof Kate has been in any public space which is why formal proof of life for Kate and the children is long overdue.
I don’t think we could have expected her to be treated or expectedher to act like any other person who has cancer. Even if Charles is doing the most to show that HE is working and she’s not, Kate is not the kind of person who would want to be shown working while being ill. Also it’s very possible that there have been some physical consequences to her treatment and she refuses to be seen.
The whole messaging given by the palace to explain her disapearance is weird though, they’re not trying to help her at all.
“Kate is not the kind of person who would want to be shown working while being ill.”
She already did, she was erratic and unkempt looking at various engagements last year. Kate would be making a spectacle of her recovery if she were able. Her mother would be running fluff stories about it too.
“they’re not trying to help her at all”
That is a red flag, it remains a red flag, all of these arguments against asking after Kate are framed as attacking or bullying her when we actually have no way of knowing if Kate is controlling her own situation and a spouse with outsized power over her and her children insisting ‘she’s well’, ‘she’s getting better’ when she hasn’t been seen since 2023 and KP was caught red handed, internationally, lying about this situation and previous faked moments passed off as real.
The other thing that stands out to me is how much Kate is being thrown under the bus to protect William.
Any expressed worry about Kate’s condition or criticism of William or KP’s actions? How DARE you invade Kate’s privacy!
Any expressed doubt about William’s work schedule? How DARE you, he is caring for a very ill woman and holding his family together!
All responses are 100% centered on shielding and serving and centering William.
@Pinkosaurus: Because William is at the epicenter of why Kate has been missing for over five months.
@ArtFossil . Thank you for pointing that extremely important part out. William is at the epicenter of Kate’s disappearance.
My dad had cancer in his late 40s. Had a 40% chance of survival. Endured chemo and radiation for about a year. I vividly remember him throwing up everywhere or taking VERY long naps (as a kid I thought they were naps). He lost all of his body hair and some of his head hair. Lost a lot of weight yet balooned due to meds.
He still worked and went to the office every single day – not only did he have to provide for us, he also helped out his mother financially and, as CEO of his own company, had a duty to his employees, suppliers and clients.
No one with cancer disappears from public life or their responsabilities. The fact Kate has is very telling. I don’t believe anything the Palaces or Media say yet if she does have cancer, it is the least of her troubles. She has been acting erratic, more than ever, even before the Tour of Doom. Something has been off for years and it finally erupted.
I agree. The fact of the matter is the ACTUAL KING has cancer, and is doing the most to appear like he is still “serving”. Kate is being treated to a standard that is completely unrealistic for anyone, INCLUDING a king, but all you hear are cries of bullying or privacy if the merest question is asked about the Princess of Wales. It’s so strange, there is no way any other human being would get away with this.
FFS, Fergie has cancer too, and she’s still seen out and about and she’s not a member of the effing family anymore! Edward Snowden is seen with more frequency than Kate.
@TheOriginalMia This is what is perplexing. No one has seen her aside from the video since Christmas! If it is “preventive chemo” She’d be bopping around by now because it was only a few rounds and she is well and done with it by now. This is why people are curious…it MUST be more serious than they are letting on because otherwise, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
The British media is far to busy criticising Harry and Meghan for this, and that, something different, something the tea boy said, an expert said, an insider said, etc. etc. etc to have any time to talk about Where is Kate? Kate isn’t as important as Harry and Meghan, neither is the King.
No ordinary employee would get so much privacy, space, secrecy. Much less a civil servant who is accountable to the public.
Kate Missington is nothing more than a glorified, lazy, workshy civil servant. So where’s the outcry from the British taxpayers?
It’s too funny though reading about all this “return to work” stuff. Kate hasn’t worked one day in her life, she’s never done anything that had any kind of impact and if she ever resumes any kind of public role, she won’t start doing any kind of work.
How long did she last in that jewelry store was it,she was the shops buyer right?
That was jigsaw. Kate worked with very flexible part time hours. She was there only less than a year and did not spend much time there. She was getting criticized for not working and the queen wondered why Kate has no work
Three months part time, spending most of the time in the parking lot on the phone with William. A joke of a job.
And didn’t she scramble to get that Jigsaw job after the late queen asked what does she do?
The Jigsaw gig was a non-job. The owners are friends of the Momager and Silent Mike. They also own the holiday villa on Mustique.
My favourite comment from journalist Daniela Elser on this topic…
“However, when the former part-time accessories buyer and organiser of a charity roller disco (hey presto, LinkedIn’s least endorsed CV!) married William, she was not just signing up for a lifetime of pretending to care about Aston Villa matches but one hell of a job too.”
Yes, her parents’ friends owned Jigsaw which is how Kate got this bespoke job that accommodated her “drop everything and run” schedule when William called, which is why she was out of the office more than in it. This was as a result of the late queen querying about her work, or lack thereof.
I know I’ve said for a while that my guesses were she’s a lot sicker than we know (or possibly terminal) or this is about a divorce, but after our discussions yesterday I think this is absolutely mental health related. It fits with the official KP narrative too – there can be an overarching mental health issue that is the real problem here, and she also could have had abdominal surgery and also cancer could have been detected during that surgery and she’s undergoing chemo.
But the reason she isn’t being seen in public, the reason she cant be photographed, can’t be on zoom calls, is mental health. I’ve had a few people in my life with significant mental health issues and when they are spiraling or in a regression, there are always physical signs that go along with it, not just behavioral. So I wonder if something like that is going on.
A mental breakdown is far more plausible than what we’re currently being told. It would also make sense for everyone else to be living their lives normally.
It would also explain the absolute horror at public disclosure because she is the mother of the future line of Kings. Any question that they could be genetically less than perfect contradicts the entire basis for hereditary royalty chosen by God. No way do the palaces allow the thought of mental illness in the bloodline be exposed.
Kate had one real job which was to produce heirs, which she did. However, the hose heirs have to be “perfect”.
It makes a lot of sense to me as well.
Though, speaking of living lives normally if it is a mental breakdown…how awful those recent stories about Rose look in that light. They have Camilla’s hoofprints all over them, and just wow to push those out if Khate’s indeed suffering serious mental health issues.
@ Pinkosaurus, but King George 3 had mental illness that was pretty well known, hence the whole Regency era of the early 19th century. So I can’t see Kate being sidelined for “bringing” that into the royal family, since it’s been pretty well established already.
At this point, it could be literally anything. Nothing at all would shock me because this has been so all over the place and poorly handled.
For the sake of her children, I hope she’s mostly fine and just doesn’t want to be seen when she doesn’t look her usual self. Other than that 🤷🏻♀️
If we knew where the children are, it would be a significant indication of Kate’s condition. If some or all of them are with her, she can’t be too ill physically or mentally to be around them. If they aren’t with her, that’s much more ominous.
They have had no trouble trotting out the kids to plaster over any cracks in the facade . Why are they suddenly as invisible as their mother . Except George but he looks like a deer caught in headlights, with his father holding him hostage . Missing at Easter , missing at that function where Rose’ s son was page boy to the King , missing on balcony appearances and now not even at his godfathers wedding because of ” school tests” . None of those kids are going to school or anywhere that people may ask them questions or they could let drop something. Can’t imagine them managing to muzzle Louis unless they kept him out of sight . Yes the kids know, probably all the royals do too but they are hiding the truth .
@Becks1 – yes, I am firmly in that MH boat with you after yesterday. And I also agree that it is highly unlikely that even KP would make up the whole surgery and cancer detected scenarios. I think she did have surgery and she is/was undergoing adjuvant chemo but the only thing that aligns the apparently contradictory messaging coming from either Buckingham or Kensington Palace about her being physically able to run errands whilst no-one can say when she will be cleared by doctors to return to work (or even stand on a balcony at a distance next week) is mental health issues.
And a MH crisis would also fit with:
The British media backing off her
As you said silence from her personally
Her not being put under pressure to have photos taken (the whole Frankenphoto farrago could have well made her worse)
Journalists (P Morgan/Concha) saying she is not doing well, is ‘under real pressure’ (Tina Brown) and ‘suffering from depression with her health issues’ (Jennie Bond)
Nobody having ANY idea when she can return to public life but also being told she is ‘doing better’
Signs of erratic and medicated behaviour pre health crisis
Her being kept away from friends and staff, both of whom have been reported as not knowing what’s happening with her
Silence from the Middletons, being surrounded only by William and her ‘birth family’
A history of issues with her brother’s MH – and him posting ‘we will climb this mountain together’ to her
And last – but very much not least – the RF’s form on this. If a woman as accomplished, connected, successful, famous, intelligent, supported and loved as Meghan can be forced to breaking point by the system, what hope for Kate?
Oh – and it being possible to be really her in the five wheeled car/face turned away/farm shop video and bench video – but yet she still can’t be let loose in public.
I might add her ever limiting work schedule, both in numbers and geographical area. I might even go back to the move to Adelaide.
We’ve always speculated on why Kate is so protected by the royal family. Maybe because for at least a few years its been known she is unwell – and unwell in such a way that she can’t or won’t do public appearances. Meghan was suicidal and still carried out public engagements and we don’t know how much of that was her choice. But maybe there is a reason that Kate can’t do them.
And I don’t want to use that as an excuse for her laziness for the past decade+, because I do think she is just a lazy person and I think she would always have done limited engagements. But I think it fits with her being benched recently for major events like Earthshot. And maybe it fits with her events often not being announced ahead of time so they can cancel if she is not up to it for whatever reason.
The problem with that is the going out in public part. There’s a bounty on photos for her— if she is that fragile she’s certainly not going into public, uncontrolled places. That’s a dumb lie—she’s “out and about”—it will make people look for her.
That’s a thorough summation, @Hench. I’m in the MH breakdown camp too: way back when I saw her try to speak and then just garble-gabble instead in Pakistan (as Baldy sneered down at her, rolling his eyes) I knew she was in trouble. I’m glad Meghan was honest enough to see that institution for what it is, and what it was doing to her, and cut bait.
@lanne I think its a dumb lie too. But KP isn’t going to say “Kate is battling severe depression and can’t get out of bed most days” or something similar. So they’re running to Becky English with their lies.
Or, maybe she is doing the occasional school run or something when she feels well enough (and doesn’t have to get out of the car or be seen) so its not entirely untrue but they’re just overstating the situation.
but I think its more likely that its a dumb lie because this is KP and they’re just dumb.
I could not agree more with you.
I have worried that there was an enormous act of domestic violence from an angry person and that she has a brain injury. It’s feasible that the cancer video was an AI. The Middletons are being paid for silence. Whatever is happening to the three children must be horrifying for their stability and mental health.
There have been whispers of Kate being very unreliable to attend most engagments, especially solo ones and that is why her events tended to be embargoed until the last minute, unlike events for Charles or even William. Charles would have actual events booked months ahead, but Kate in particular did not. I think the rumblings got a bit louder when she showed up very late to that Victiona and Albert museum event “becuase of child care”, which made no sense as Nanny Maria was living with them at the time.
This is likely an ongoing issue for years and we know from Meghan they don’t provide much help or sympathy. It’s just too bad Kate turned against her sister in law because she would have understood more than anyone else the pressures of that family.
@Becks1 – agree with your second paragraph above about Kate essentially being a lazy person at heart, and that much of her 10+ years of doing so little isn’t because of MH issues. Lazy is who she is, and it’s significant that for much of those pre-Meghan years, Will was exactly the same way – I always thought the fact that she was as uninterested in working/doing the “job” as he was, was a big reason she was acceptable (in addition to being willing to look the other way about Will’s affairs).
I think three things happened in recent years to contribute to developing MH problems. 1) This year will be two years since Kate moved into Adelaide, which we believe is her “separation” home, and people have said two years of separation is required before divorce. 2) Before Meghan, Kate’s mediocre skills at public events may have been acceptable (again, Will isn’t much better), but Meghan’s abilities raised the bar. Will now wanted what Harry had, a beautiful woman by his side that would make people envy him, and was increasingly embarrassed by Kate’s ineptness. 3) Once Harry and Meghan left, Will and Kate lost any commonality of purpose that kept them working together. Will is obviously trying to remake his life to look like what Harry has., and Kate isn’t part of the picture he sees for his future.
As others have said, I think what may be true is that Kate did have surgery for a significant issue, that adjuvant chemo was required for the reason stated, but that there’s a MH component that isn’t being discussed that makes concrete statements about the future impossible right now.
If Kate self-harmed and the children were there when she was found and emergency services were called, then that would explain a lot of what has been going on this year. It would be very likely that whatever happened on Dec. 28, it happened with the children there to witness it all. And if royal life caused her breakdown, then complete removal from it would be the only solution. It could be something as simple as her spiraling if she sees an unflattering photo and that is why there have only been fakes so far.
28th Dec was completely debunked and proven to have nothing to do with Sandringham, as the logos and road signs visible in the video prove that it was filmed clear on the opposite side of the country, and that the ambulance in question doesn’t cover anywhere outside of London.
Literally, the only “evidence” for the ambulance having any connection to royals is one single tweet from a known troll. If we ignore that one tweet, all we have is a few seconds of video of an ambulance driving down a road in London, with an escort of the type used for any kind of VIP or politician.
@SamuelWhiskers perhaps you are right and the 28th is just a giant pile of nothing. We don’t know. What I had read back in Jan. when the Kate surgery story broke, was that a call was made from the royal household to someone in London that the convoy would be passing, and that is how it came to be filmed and put on social media.
Now the wording of the tweet is sloppy but tweets aren’t legal documents. Of course the convoy did not drive from Sandringham. But Kate could have been choppered in and driven to King Edward Hospital, which is where the royals usually go. I always think it was Camilla back at Sandringham getting someone she knew in London to film the cars just because she likes mess.
@Harper I think part of the issue with that theory is that apparently, based on the road signs and such, it doesn’t work that the convoy was going from KP for example to King Edward. also, if the situation was so dire that Kate had to be helicoptered in, doesnt any hospital in London have a helipad?
@Becks1, if Kate had tried to harm herself, I imagine that Willy would be panicking and insisting that zero word got out. He would not want to leave any breadcrumbs in the process of getting Kate into the private royal suite at King Edward. So no royal copter landing at KP and then loading into a convoy driving to a hospital. Too busy an area for that to go undetected. Hence they land somewhere more protected and the convoy meets them.
Meanwhile, Camilla thinks that Willy’s demand that no one finds out is ridiculous and bound to fail. So she makes sure that social media gets a video of the convoy. Hence the call from the household to someone in London with the heads up. As per usual, we don’t really know what happened that night. However, we do know Willy is psycho about privacy and Camilla likes mess.
@Harper if the situation was that dire she probably would have been treated at a Norfolk hospital, stabilized, and then taken to London for further treatment. Or she would have been taken to a hospital as quickly as possible, not via a more circuitous route because William said so that would have taken longer and possibly resulted in kate dying en route like another Princess of Wales.
But regardless, this is all based on one tweet from a person saying “I hope everything is okay at Sandringham” and people have just been running with it for six months and using 12/28 as the date something happened like we have definitive proof of it, and we don’t.
I’ve had personal experience of being airlifted by helicopter to hospital – they take you to the nearest major trauma centre with a helipad and PR/royal status be damned. The British system is to get you to the nearest hospital as fast as possible. No consultant/paramedic with a life on the line is going to be bargaining with William as to what the optics look like. If Kate was found in crisis at Anmer (eg overdosed) they would not waste time taking her to London.
One of the factors in Diana’s death was that the French system is different to the British one. There, they try to stabilise as much as possible on site before going to hospital. So they worked for a time trying to stabilise Rees-Jones with Diana sitting in the ambulance at the crash site unknowingly bleeding out internally. By the time she went into cardiac arrest from the bleeding, a lot of valuable time had been wasted. Here, we scrape everybody up and ship them off asap.
ETA: Same system with ambulances as air ambulance – again, they would not fanny around taking her to London from Norfolk!
I bet KP rues the day they floated that bait on SM. It was said to be from a royalist account and it was probably put up so discrediting it later would pull the rug out from ‘internet sleuths’ and make them look silly. Now that SM people DID seize on it a ‘lie’ went round the world before the ‘truth’ could tie its shoes; discrediting it now clearly doesn’t make a difference and cemented ’28 December’ as seen to be integral to Kate’s story. Continuing to explain it was debunked over and over keeps attention to the earliest part of the timeline KP are trying so hard to push people from now and is like a drop in the ocean against the way it’s become part of the ‘facts’.
The footage was definitely first posted by a royalist / troll account that has gotten squad members banned. That said it was a convoy that only a few people get, mostly royals. I think everyone is imagining a suicide attempt, which would of course be brought to the nearest trauma centre. But not all breakdowns are imminent in terms of life or death and it would be possible that a doctor was called and consulted and advised to bring that person to a major clinic and not remain in Norfolk.
KP’s PR team has not done its job shutting this down. And on top of that the entire stay at the hospital but being unable to see Kate even wave from a window as she leaves just adds to the entire atmosphere of deception.
An eating disorder is a mental health issue.
If she is that vain about her looks then I would say that is a mental health issue. And an eating disorder with body image issues is definitely a mental health issue. None of this is “normal” and eating disorders can be fatal.
One of my sisters-in-law is Japanese, and she suggested a while back that what’s going on with Kate could be something similar to Crown Princess (now Empress) Masako’s mental health issues. For those who are unfamiliar, Masako was diagnosed with an “adjustment disorder” (in this case, possibly just a euphemism for severe depression or a nervous breakdown) about 20 years ago, apparently caused in part by the pressure to produce a male heir, as well as public criticism and bullying from within the Imperial Household* (I think their equivalent to the BRF’s equeries and such). Though the handling of her condition was sometimes messy because of the stigma, the Imperial Family did eventually announce that she was struggling and was seeking treatment. Her husband released a statement asking for understanding and compassion, and for many years, she would periodically retreat from public life, sometimes releasing a statement thanking the public for their support.
If there’s something similar going on with Kate, that would seem to be a much better way to handle it, no? But the BRF perceives any mental health issue or physical disability as shameful, so here we are.
*Yes, there are some parallels with what Meghan went through, too. I think the lesson is that no woman should ever marry into any royal family. SMH.
See, this is it. They would garner SO MUCH GOOD WILL if they came clean, whether it’s mental health, some sort of colon surgery, whatever. Just be honest, the sympathy will be there.
@Miranda, I was living in Japan at that time and it was very sad. She was very accomplished, highly educated and a diplomat. She did not want to marry and turned down the then Prince’s proposal several times. In the end she married him to avoid bringing shame on her family/father. Masako is a brilliant, accomplished woman who had so much potential before her wings were clipped by marrying into the family. During the time I lived there I remember the Japanese media and RF being quite harsh with her adjustment. Her husband though had always seemed to love and support her. So in many ways she is not at all like Kate.
If she was choppered then she’d simply land on the hospital’s own roof helipad. That’s why they have helipads. It wouldn’t make sense to land elsewhere and transfer to an ambulance when there’s a helipad right there.
The info about the convoy being only for royals is simply not true. Any VIP or politician gets the same. Nearly all the speculation online is coming from people in foreign countries but I actually LIVE here and I see those convoys all the time, especially when I was working at the House of Lords (which has a lot of elderly VIPs).
It’s really alarming how “an ambulance drove from London to Norfolk and back because Kate had an emergency” has become established fact on the basis of one single tweet from a known anti-Sussex troll. We don’t even know if the video was shot on 28th Dec.
You asked yesterday, “What is the end game?” If mental health is the major issue (which makes sense to me), then I don’t think divorce can be an end game. There’s no explanation they can give that doesn’t sound like William is abandoning the mother of his children now that she’s unwell. Even if they somehow spin it as Kate’s choice there will still be questions and I don’t see any answer that wouldn’t put William and the RF in a bad light.
Unless they keep the MH crisis under wraps? But even then, she publicly has health issues either way. At best, it has to be announced as a mutual decision if divorce is the end game.
‘There’s no explanation they can give that doesn’t sound like William is abandoning the mother of his children now that she’s unwell.’
They have been trying to find it, there just isn’t one
I don’t think it really matters if anything puts William in a bad light. The press won’t conver it and even if the public is outraged, what are the going to to about it? Abolish the monarchy? Yeah right. Most of the public does not even seem to care that she hasn’t been seen. The Brits have bigger problems going on. Kate is a footnote. She didn’t work much before, disappeared often, and is kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. William will be fine.
I think maybe they should just cut their losses at this point. Divorcing Kate over physical or mental health problems would make William look bad, yes, but how much worse than he already looks thanks to the numerous, obvious lies and obfuscations?
Agree with @JT. The RR is not much more than a subservient PR arm of the Palaces at this point. They will write whatever cover story William wants to justify him doing what he wants vis a vis Kate.
And it wouldn’t be difficult – they’d start with her ‘stepping back’ due to ill health, then it would be ‘she wants to retire from the spotlight’ then it would be, after some time, ‘Sadly they have decided to separate. Life in the royal glare was never for Kate. William understands how hard it has been for her’ then it will be ‘Poor William – how difficult it is to find a partner for his role, how awful for him to be alone’, followed by the role out of Mrs Wales II. Le voila.
I honestly don’t think there is an end game. I think the Titanic has hit the iceberg and no one is at the rudder. Everyone is just kind of… running round screaming and flailing and chucking buckets of water on fires as they come up.
@The Hench – I suppose so. It took half a lifetime and multiple hits for Charles to achieve Queen Camilla. The thing I can’t wrap my head around is if, at the end of the day, William is going to do whatever he wants and the press will cover it up no matter what, then why is he in such a swivet over what’s being said on social media? Why bother with the fake photos and videos and stupid sightings? This measured plan for removing Kate is counter to how everything’s been handled by KP. Either you care about what people say or you don’t, and social media will never die down. Or is this part of the contract with the BM – provide something, anything to the press, no matter how it looks, just as long as their names stay in the news?
William is in a snit because of Kate’s mental and physical problems. How can he free himself from her now? More than that, he sees his brother happily married and it irks him that the comparisons will be made between him and the brother who supported his wife through her mental health problems. Willy can’t stand to look “less than” his brother.
@samuelwhiskers, okay that made me laugh, there’s no endgame and the titanic has hit the iceberg. I do think a lot of it has been just sheer running around with lies and incompetence. But I think there is some sort of endgame somewhere. Problem is everyone’s endgame looks different.
The desired end game is offloading Kate Middleton without William’s/BRF’s culpability in her condition being disclosed.
Whether that actually happens, whether CIII’s health is a wild card in completing this operation successfully before William ascends, whether Kate’s actual condition allows for this plan to be executed to William’s (or Camilla’s…?) specification properly might well be something they don’t even know.
A very small circle of people know the components at play here. Kate’s actual condition and the circumstances around it might be known by an even smaller circle of people. There’s a sensation of them needing to ‘buy time’ in all this, that there’s some part of this keeping them from making a definitive move one way or the other. I think some sort of shoe has to drop for KP/BRF in order for ‘it’ to be completed.
@Eurydice – yes, the only template we have like this for the public establishment of a new wife is Camilla but there are some key differences between that and a Kate and Will separation:
First, Diana was beloved and visible in a way Kate can only dream of.
Second, Camilla was cast as the evil mistress who broke up Diana’s marriage and was hated by the public.
Diana then died tragically and far too young
After her death, Camilla was even more of a hate figure for making Diana’s life a misery.
Even so it was only 8 years between Diana’s death and Camilla being rehabbed enough with the public for Charles to marry her.
Last but not least, the royal rota did not exist back then and the media was much more critical and it still only took a few years post Diana’s death for C&C to be ‘together’ officially.
There’s nothing similar standing in the way of Wills’ new partner. The rota will ensure that no cheating stories are circulating with him and that the decision to separate appears to be a mutual one – hell, they’ll probably claim it was Kate’s wish and William sadly indulged her.
The public – as we have already seen in the main – will accept her disappearance easily. It’s not like she was making any significant impact in any field.
I predict they could have the whole thing spun and sorted before the end of 2025 if needed.
As for why William is bothering to attempt a cover up – I don’t think he is attempting to cover up a separation right now – I think he is attempting to hide her complete breakdown. MH comes with a huge stigma to the RF – and particularly with Kate because she is the mother of the future King. If she is mentally unstable then the bloodline is tainted (I mean, obviously not really but this is the way the institution thinks).
Also, I’m not sure that William actually IS planning to divorce her. I think right now they genuinely don’t know what the hell to do with her and they are desperately hoping she recovers enough to be put back on display. In the meantime they are going to keep on obfuscating to buy time until either she does recover or they have to call it.
@The Hench – These conversations are so interesting. If MH issues mean the bloodline is tainted, then William’s right in the thick of it, having diagnosed in public his mother as paranoid. And then, what does this say about his children?
By the end, we circle round to agreement. I said yesterday that I thought their strategy was “wait and hope she gets better” and I don’t know that they’re thinking past that. I’m also not sold on idea that William is planning a divorce. If he can live a separate life and get away with occasional philandering, there’s no reason to go through all the fuss. There’s also the issue of what’s best for the children. I do believe that William cares about them, at least more than Charles cared about his sons.
“If MH issues mean the bloodline is tainted, then William’s right in the thick of it, having diagnosed in public his mother as paranoid. And then, what does this say about his children?”
Oooooooooooooooh!
@EURYDICE Wow, that the crux of this, isn’t it?
Honestly, an ED (Which as noted above IS a mental health issue) would fit here too. There is usually extended treatment (you don’t just meet with a therapist once and call it a day) and if she is gaining weight but is not mentally recovered, then she really wouldn’t want to be seen in public. And it also explains the palace’s silence on the issue – they can’t have another princess of wales with an eating disorder.
I tend to agree, @Suzy.
Yes, eating disorders are MH issues, but I think she really would never want to be seen looking less than her normal self.
I actually believe that was her in the car with Carole all puffed up from steroids and maybe she was furious about that being seen and that’s why we got frankenphoto, with an old pic of her slapped in so she looked herself.
Yes yes yes. The MH is the overarching issue, probably in combo with the other medical issues at this point, her abdominal surgery possibly related to ED.
Because also, the waiting for medical advice regarding when she will be able to work doesn’t apply to cancer, as we all know and doctors have said. But it does apply to mental health.
Her state of mind could be badly deteriorated to the point where she cannot sit for a photo. People who brought up that she appeared medicated last year caused me to look back, and I do see that possibility now.
END GAME THEORY: In a way, it might be less likely W will divorce her, and more likely if she has Mh issues that he uses this to get out of most daily work himself for the next decade plus. This is what he always wanted, to not work except the big occasions and a wife he can cheat on while keeping his family in tact.
It was never going to be easy to divorce Kate. She does appear to be fairly popular with that group of people who admire the royals. Should she have mental health issues I believe he will go for a trade-off of a separate life but ‘together’ in certain situations. Kate has been showing off various parts of her body for years, not forgetting arriving at the Chelsea flower show before Charles arrives, keeping the king awaiting them at the coronation plus the weird ‘tiara’ of whatever on her head. Pippa appears to be the only Middleton child who has her marbles in order.
Should Kate be physically ill, he still won’t divorce. It simply wouldn’t happen as there would be a huge outcry.
I have believed for quite some time that William can and will do whatever he wants – as he does now. No divorce.
William can only keep a facade going and not do anything to really work on the marriage
Isn’t the Windsor bloodline tainted? They hid away those two cousins of the queen (or the queen mother, somebody’s) in an institution.
As my Scottish son in law says, ‘what else do you expect from a bunch of inbred Germans’ lol.
I also think it maybe a mental health issue, and they are trying to keep it quiet for all the reasons previously stated, but I think one more thing is at play too. They would not help Meghan when she needed mental health support, but are doing everything to support Kate. They do not want that comparison.
@ Heather, don’t forget King George III and King Henry VIII. I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t even more that I can’t think of at the moment.
I also think it’s a MH issue, with an ED at the center. As I noted yesterday and as Becks1 notes today, the palace would go to great lengths to cover this up because they don’t want people to remember another princess of Wales’ mental health struggles. It makes the monarchy look like the life-destroying institution it is.
Not only would they want to cover up for this situation, but if it was revealed that another major female royal was suffering from mental health issues, it would give credibility to everything that Meghan said about her MH crisis during her time in the RF. And the last thing they want to do is prove that Meghan was right.
Many ED treatment programs require treatment at a clinic for months and in the first few weeks they are not at home.
With Trooping coming up, I think KP will provide an update next week. It’s just interesting to see the British press remain silent on this issue because when Harry and Meghan were there, they insisted in knowing everything about them at all times even when they knew that Meghan was struggling with her mental health.
William and Charles are busy being statesmen this week so yeah definitely no statements. Then there’s the big wedding on Friday.
At some point will the absolute morons in the British media realize that they got the short end of the stick with the “deal” they made with KP, and finally start publishing what they know, as well as all of the “WhatTF is *actually* going on with Kate??”questions that everyone has been asking, publicly demanding answers?
This has gotten so far beyond out of control, and the ROTA members are sitting there having to watch other countries’ press make bank printing stories about Kate while they stay silent.
I feel like something’s gotta give—people are going to get fed UP at basically having to follow a gag order that ONLY applies to them.
All we need is one or two of them to finally come to their senses (or decide they need the money, or — gasp— grow a conscience and realize the sinister coverup around this young mother is a toxic way to spend their careers) and start spilling what they know, opening the floodgates.
This is what I’m thinking too. All the pubs that went with these latest stories (Page Six, NYP, Daily Beast, US Weekly etc) are getting lots of clicks while the British press just starves. Yes I know that Murdoch owns PS and NYP but the rest of the British media establishment are being left out. They have no stories or pictures. How long do they put up with this?
@Lorelei I’m feeling that Huevo is going to be the one who breaks soon in response to social media’s rising impatience with the fakery. As soon as school ends for the summer, I expect the sad updates to start flowing in. Huevo is going to want to get this behind him and everyone to move on.
I think he also hates that people always ask about Kate. But what does he expect??
Judging by the comments from Kate fans most of them don’t believe that Meghan had mental health issues, they prefer to believe that she lied about it.
A weak attempt at push back but the damage had been done. The BRF is backed into a corner but Kate and the Middletons are not in power positions.
aquarius64, actually I think she’s in the power position. If she has decided not to play ball any more, what are they going to do? They can’t drag her around. I think at this point she may well be saying no to what was. Will she do any public appearances in future? Who knows, but I think she’s finally in a position to say what she wants and how she wants it. If I’m correct, it will be very interesting to see what she does.
I’ve said for some time that the best thing she could do was divorce Billy Idle and find some peace. I feel for the kids, but I think they deserve parents who aren’t angry at each other all of the time.
When the time is right, she’ll resume her work. Okay but will she resume her role? And will it be the same role? Thinking of your “nitpicky” post from yesterday @eurydice😂
Thanks @Jais. When I’m not posting I don’t usually think about these things, but the discussion yesterday stayed with me the whole day.
The UK media knows the real story and I don’t think they would hold the line if it was all a convoluted lie to hide divorce negotiations.
Of course they would. They are the reason why we are nearing a decade of Meghan is terrible for every reason, and Kate is perfect.
They are just talking on two sides of their mouth. I believe that kate cancer is advanced and palace are lying to protect their image. Because palace have problem with disclosing brf member health. Palace lied about queen cancer . They are lying about kate cancer too and she might be in late stage than chuck.
It’s vile the way this family perpetuates the notion that any kind of health issue — whether physical or psychological— is some sort of personal failing; something that one should be ashamed of and attempt to keep under wraps and not let become public by any means possible.
The Queen was in her 90’s, for the love of god, and they still acted like her being seen in a wheelchair was to be avoided at all costs. Because, I guess, they’re not supposed to be seen as anything but “perfect” in every way? Please.
As someone here posted yesterday, vulnerability is what makes people relatable, so the fact that they’re so dead set on never showing even a shred of vulnerability is not only asinine, but counterproductive, because they could get a ton of goodwill if they’d simply be more honest.
This entire thing has also illustrated what a complete scam “Heads Together” was. (Not on Harry’s part, because he actually admitted and discussed his struggles.)
But for W&K, it was clearly a gimmicky BS “campaign,” since its goal was ostensibly eradicating the stigma around MH issues. And it is so clear that neither W nor K would *ever* be open about their own personal MH struggles, even when it might help other people. The entire thing was a hypocritical farce and all of those bright blue “Heads Together” headbands should be burned in a fire.
I just hope Kate is either okay, or going to be. I have a really bad feeling about her prognosis, but that’s just my stupid gut feeling, so I hope I’m off-base.
This has gone on for too long…we really need to know that she’s alright. She doesn’t need to be in four-inch heels, perfectly made up and with a fresh blowout, ffs, she just needs to be alright. I wish that FOR ONCE EVER the palace would simply be honest just to put an end to all of the conspiracy theories, and to put all of the speculation to bed once and for all.
I’m starting to believe that Heads Together was all Harry, and William and Kate jumped on the bandwagon because it would look terrible if Harry had Sentebale, Invictus, and Heads Together, and the Wails were *crickets*.
From the very start of this mess I’ve said that KP media team needs to be fired and I stand by that still.
KP can’t stay consistently on message to save their lives: “We are not giving any statements, but let me just leak this info real quick” / “She is 100% focused on recuperating, yet she can do errands and is out and about”.
I’m just about the point that I don’t care anymore.
If it was simply the chemo. that was making her feel ill there would be some kind of schedule for when each bout happens and when it will be finished. And she wouldn’t need the doctors opinion before going back to work. She would know by now how long each bout makes her feel ill and arrange her life around it. There has to be something more than she told us happening. The most obvious ones to me are, either they found more cancer or MH issues. She can’t be out and about running errands and not be fit enough to stand on the balcony and she must know when her next bout of therapy is.
Many months on and I still don’t care but watching all this unfold and the hysteria is certainly entertaining.
“There is no information about Kate’s ‘return’ because the focus at this moment in time is 100% on her health—to suggest she won’t return to her role is unfair and untrue,” the source explains. “Conversations of that nature are just not being had. When the time is right, she will resume her work.”
That says that they are unable to say IF she’s returning AT ALL. So it’s ridiculous to say that her not returning is unfair and untrue. Their initial estimate back in January was either Easter or and since they know exactly what is going on, there should be an estimate at this time when she’s ready.
ML, well, opposite land means that she may well not be returning to work. It could be her decision if she’s fed up, and it could be why we have all of this conflicting info coming out. She could be refusing to come back and may be making some demands about how much and what. I don’t anyone here believes that she enjoys engagements. She dresses for it, but that seems to be it.
Nearly six months with neither hide nor hair of the POW and her children to be seen is unacceptable. There needs to be a traditional press event, live and attended by independent witnesses, to establish proof of life for Princess Catherine and all three children. KP whining through tittle tattle in gossip magazines and tabloids that aren’t even English when they have the power to control this narrative-what ever it is- properly is really ridiculous.
We know the heir, George, is alive and well. However, I his expression is one of sadness. It’s hard for children to hide their feelings, even if the royals are taught from an early age to have a poker face. One of the photos at the game with his father he had this very disturbed expression.
There’s an article in the Times about Nordic parenting favoured by the rf. Basically about encouraging kids outside even in the winter snow.
So it’s odd they haven’t been seen.
Bizarrely it also mentions sleeping pills.
I remember years ago Kate Moss’s friend’s little daughter accidentally swallowed one of her ecstasy pills.
Wonder if it’s a hint 🤔
Keen’s coverage is like badly played tennis with loads of wild shots. Planting these stories fuels the speculation. What would be the benefit of poking the bear (social media) and making this story explode again?
TN Democrat, I think everyone should stop talking about her altogether. I don’t think she’s being mistreated–if she’s still recovering then she’ll keep recovering. If she’s refusing to work then she’ll continue to refuse to work. If everyone stops talking about her, people will forget.
I think the rrs are keeping this going.
I’m sure the royal rota are keeping it going. But they’re not alone. I do think they also get briefings from palace sources. Rebecca English saying Kate is out and about? I mean yeah she could totally make that up but I don’t think so. I think someone told her to report that and she did .
That’s something I can’t understand. Why insist she is ‘out and about’ -and Rebecca English seems to be allowed to set the tone for rota coverage with the palace’s blessing- when they could just stay quiet? Trooping and Wimbledon are coming so maybe floating this back and forth was to lay the groundwork to announce not being at either event was Kate’s choice or the rota forcing KP to show their hand in declaring whether she would be there. Non Murdoch publications are not allowed to sit at the grownups table for William’s Kategate so maybe they just want to shake the table for a chance at clicks.
Another dark idea is provoking a backlash about ‘Kate’s laziness’ and then announce her demise to get that hot potato off their hands in another insured media period of ‘how dare the horrible SM bully Kate when saintly William tried to give the children an ample chance to grieve privately in a way he never had…’ so ALL KP’s BS that was so suspicious and damaging to their clean getaway could be swept under the rug.
The arrogance of KP is astounding. It’s good to know this family can drop out of society as needed, with no explanation to the taxpayers who fund their lavish lifestyles. This whole missing Keen saga makes KP look surly and childish. The taxpayers deserve an explanation, they deserve a Prince of Wales who acts in a professional manner.
I think it’s time for Kate’s ‘missing persons’ file to be reopened. Whilst her initial video bought her some time it still doesn’t answer all these questions that don’t add up.
Why was she admitted to hospital for 14 days and not seen leaving or arriving?
Why did no one visit her?
When did KP say she’ll be back at Easter if they already knew what treatment she was having and the timescale?
If she’s at home with her children why couldn’t she take a proper photo with them for Mother’s Day?
Why all the photoshop/AI sightings (pre announcement) and then nothing?
Why no updates at all?
She’s either really really sick or she’s not sick at all and she’s simply gone on strike cos Willie wants to leave her?
That’s exactly it, KP is trying to kick over the traces of the beginning and restart their clock past the Frankenphoto with the BBC Studios video as their new floor of operations. Much of the the conflicting information and hinky alarm bells were at the very beginning of all this and none of it had been addressed then or now.
Proof of life would end so much of this. For whatever reason KP can’t/won’t provide it.
Why is that? Where are Charlotte and Louis? Where is Kate?
February pisces, I think she could have been quite ill, but has recovered a lot. I also think she’s gone on strike. This is going to be interesting.
Also what ever happened to the case of her records being hacked by staff? I personally think that may have been a warning shot to staff to make sure they keep quiet.
I forgot how horrible Kate looked after last summer when she came back with her bangs. But it wasn’t the bangs that made her look so bad. She looked absolutely haggard, and her dark circles were enormous. She looked pale and wan, and I think she got the bangs so she could hide behind them. I think whatever is going on started last summer, culminated with the Korean State Visit, and then went off the rails after Christmas.
“I think whatever is going on started last summer, culminated with the Korean State Visit, and then went off the rails after Christmas.” I agree, @HRH Miss Scarlett.
I spent considerable time looking through the Getty photo website over the past 2 days, My goodness, how she has changed her appearance to appear the perfect princess!
Last year things seemed to be going great until late October.
–Jan 2023 Liverpool: huge smiles, walking close, relaxed body language, Kate looks healthy
–Feb 2023 BAFTAS: Kate in white dress with/odd black gloves, genuine smiles at each other, walking close, both looked giddy – or tipsy – at times. Kate looks healthy
March2023 Commonwealth Service: smiling at each other, relaxed, Kate in navy suitdress, Huevo touching her back. Kate looks healthy
April 2023: Stories about the Middleton bankruptcy fill the news
April 2023: Easter at Windsor en famille. All kids present. Big smiles. Kate looks healthy.
May 2023: KC’s coronation. Strained looks. Will appears to be chastising Louis on the walk in, Kate has pursed lips, the way moms do when they want to defend their kids but they know it will make dad even madder.
By June, Kate looks less happy – the polo match with the light blue dress and her crestfallen face when Will doesn’t kiss her properly. They still seem ok until the fall, when smiles seem strained and Will has condescending looks on his face when he watches her speak to others.
In Oct, she does various sporty things and looks healthy, if a bit thinner.
By November, Kate has janky wigs, haggard face, terribly thin and Will looks contemptuous.
She looks terrible at the November Remembrance Day ceremony, and like she’s on Valium at the SK visit. What happened in late October/early November 2023?
@Detachedobserver, what’s happening with Kate has started several years back…I would say during covid19 the first signs of something being off were pretty obvious in the zooms they made…the Choo Choo tour made that even more apparent. Afterwards, we had Kate showing very thin in an event where she planted something (in one of yesterday’s post there’s one of her photo during this event and she looks really awful)..Kate in Danmark where the Danish reported that she was late to the events and where we’ve seen her without photoshop…Anyway, there many examples…she was wasting in front of our eyes… but something definitely happened back in autumn because William went to New York and Singapore alone ….
there was a photo of her at an event with Anne where she looked sleeping standing up. I forget when that event happened, but she looked off.
Late Oct/Nov 23? That’s when it was being reported that Kate would not accompany William to Singapore bc George had testing and couldn’t be without her. William also went on his single dad jog in nyc around then.
Great points. Something definitely derailed her and I doubt it was the narrative they’re running with
Both Palace and Buckingham Palace press are lying to publications and have been for years. They sicken me.
I’ve been on the mental health bandwagon all along. An illness leading to surgery could also have impacted her already fragile mental state, along with the prospect of Willnot tanking their marriage. She may very well be on a cocktail of anti-anxiety, anti-depression drugs that render her incapable of being in public. The side effects of a cocktail of drugs like that are frightening — everything from slurred speech to shakiness and unsteadiness, trembling, and severe tiredness or weakness. That would render a person unwilling and unable to appear in public.
I knew a young woman years ago who aspired to be a model — she was beautiful, had a perfect model figure, and at age 18 she got a contract and was sent to Paris. She got in with a bad crowd, mostly rich young Saudi toffs living the high life, and all sorts of bad things happened to her (I won’t go into detail but it was awful). She was sent home after having a total nervous breakdown and put on a plethora of drugs. For a year she was a shaking, bloated, mumbling mess who literally had to be led around by the hand. She was gradually weaned off the drugs when it was felt she was healthy enough to get back to normal life.
Maybe that’s why Kate’s being kept away from the public. That being said, there’s nothing wrong with releasing a statement indicating that she’s “finding the stress of her surgery, royal duties, and being a hands-on mother too much and she’s taking time off to recoup”. But no, the public gets this nonsensical mish-mash of contradicting excuses and outright deception complete with fake photos, Kate lookalikes and AI videos. One day she’s fine and out doing errands, cooking and baking, and the next she’s still undergoing cancer treatment. Make it all make sense, just tell the effing truth.
I remember the first time I was prescribed antidepressants and my dosage wasn’t perfect yet – I had to take a class and I was so OUT OF IT I could barely answer questions nevermind ask them. My brain was on pause, literally. As soon as class was done I approached my professor and apologised, I was so embarrased and, frankly, scared. Once my dosage was *perfect* I was 100% OK.
That’s my theory as well…Kate couldn’t function even to the simplest interactions or tasks: remember when she couldn’t write a short message to the train station board during Covid19 and she had to look at the notes? There were several signs the last 2-3 years…also, notice the excellent collection of her photos chosen by Kaiser in this particular post…she was definitely on something…
All these theories I’ve been seeing just seem insane and is the result of people having very limited information and wild imagination in my opinion. The simplest reason is probably that Kate does not look healthy due to the treatment or the condition being worse than they implied. It makes sense to hide it because the firm is all about the “looks” and her young children do not need to be seeing the public freak out about how their mum will die anytime soon. I’m sure Kate, being the type of woman that gets offended over Baby Brains, would also be the type of person who wouldn’t let herself be seen in such a state either.
There’s no reason why they would be hiding her dead body, they could have simply said she passed away from complications after the surgery. There’s no reason why they would announce Cancer when it’s really about a divorce. The firm could easily expose the Mids for lying about it, anyway. And there’s no reason why they would use AI for that announcement video when camera distortions and quality easily explain some of the stuff people have pointed out.
All the things one might suggest BRF has no reason to do are solely based on them being trustworthy.
BRF also had no reason to suggest the killed Mothering Sunday photo was taken in March.
Use BBC Studios and hope that the difference between that entity and the News division remained blurred in the public mind as KP, 100%, released an AI, manipulated video in Kate’s stead.
Let speculation run rampant in tabloid news rather than produce the POW in a vetted public manner.
Her young children have not been seen since Christmas 2023 and the public who fund William’s family do have a legitimate interest in knowing they are sound, well and still in England. They also have been shown to the public at regular intervals since they were born and one such time, the Easter walk, did not occur this year. If they are not at Trooping that would be irregular.
Here’s the thing– if we believe their timeline– her chemo treatment started in February and she looks *fine* in that March video. So if it’s all just vanity why was the messaging off from the start? Why was she in the hospital for 2 weeks? Why release the frankenphoto and farm stand mess when a nicely filtered real photo would have worked? I agree that hiding a body doesn’t made sense, but there are a variety of things between dead and fine. I think many things are happening with multiple competing interests.
Here’s what I think is the timeline with Kate. She had a bowel re-sectioning that required a colostomy bag which would make her loathe to appear in public. They discovered cancer cells during the surgery. If she truly had the surgery in January then she would require at least 4-6 weeks of recovery until she could start chemo at the beginning of March. If she is doing a 6 month course she would not finish until August. Then it will take several months to recover from the chemo and to grow back not only her hair but possibly her eyebrows and lashes. She may also need to have the colostomy bag removed with one more surgery. This puts the timeline around the end of December. I think this may be the trajectory. If they had been clear from the start no one would be saying anything.
@lynzey; this has been my theory from day one. It makes the most sense. Thank you for the concise and believable timeline.
They won’t come clean because then they would have to admit, to the public, that the only thing their Princess of Wales can offer is her image and looks and they’re gone at the moment and she will not be seen in public like that. So, basically, it is vanity preventing her from “working”.
Therefore, they ofuscate and basically eff up.
Isn’t image basically the only thing all the royals can offer though? I mean, it sure isn’t their expertise in a certain field. They’re supposed to be seen talking to people, posing for photos and that’s about it. They do some soft diplomacy, but nothing that takes real skill. Furthermore, I should think that going through treatment for cancer, it’s about a bit more than just vanity preventing someone from working. If you were in treatment for cancer (and you can never quite know for sure how it will turn out), wouldn’t you think “to hell with work” and spend whatever energy and time you have with your children? Plus, I personally wouldn’t want to be photographed and gawked at either in such a condition. Call it vanity if you like, but I wouldn’t want to be that vulnerable and still have complete strangers take every pixel apart.
“If they had been clear from the start no one would be saying anything.”
But this became entangled with William’s divorce/desperate need to evade scrutiny as well as a threat of some third party having access to Kate’s medical records. One suspects KP would not have announced ANYTHING but for the risk of the papers catching wind of some part of it and there is an ongoing blackout on Kate’s actual condition ongoing in the press right now.
Whatever happened to her healthwise in 2023 (she kept being photographed holding her stomach, clearly there was some sort of physical health issue effecting Kate all through the autumn and her mental state seemed off too) and the current weirdness around her disappearance post Christmas may well be two separate things.
But the problem with this theory is given their penchant for photoshop, there’s no reason they couldn’t have done a blurry photo of her opening a card to thank the public. There’s no need to appear in public, but a proof of life photo is SOP for public officials under these circumstances.
Make up professionals can put on fake brows and lashes, and Kate was already wearing wigs.
It just doesn’t make sense if it’s purely medical. This is where the MH aspect explains a lot, IMO.
If the medical recovery time changed from “after Easter” then KP has never officially provided an update. Even the bench video states that the cancer was found and chemo would be preventative but nothing further was added to adjust the original return date of “after Easter”. It’s not professional to be so vague and she is a public figure so questions will be asked.
The lies and odd messaging started back on January 17. If the video was 100% her, then why would there be a need to release that mother’s day mess photo? Why wouldn’t there have been any images of her or any messages of thanks? I know we joke about KP being a clown show, but a 10 year old would have more sense and I just don’t believe that they couldn’t manage a basic surgery situation.
I think she had complications (possibly a stroke) and the reason for the initial silence was that nobody knew what to expect. If they’d released a statement “from” her, it might later be obvious that was a lie. They couldn’t release a heavily-filtered photo of her because of facial changes so they released the cut and paste nonsense on Mother’s Day. The goalposts are constantly shifted because recovery from a stroke is extremely variable.
Now, why, would they not just say all of this? That’s where it gets murky for me. I know many jump to the conclusion that they don’t want to say because a member of the BRF is responsible–but wouldn’t it be easier to just craft a lie to cover up that situation? I lean more toward the idea that Will wants out and her health has complicated that. It’s not a stretch to say they’ve been separated. But that will only work if they can keep up the happy family ruse. If Kate isn’t functional that would pose a problem for their arrangement. I’d say this is why we initially saw very erratic behavior from Will. It might just be me, but he seems to have calmed down and gotten back to his usual self, such as that is. So I think at some point in March an agreement was reached with all the interested parties. Time will tell, but her retirement seems likely at this point.
I’m so dizzy, my head is spinning
Like a whirlpool, it never ends
Take it up with US Magazine, they said it.
The photo selection is hilarious .
All those kids looking absolutely bewildered by this woman amongst them .
She had been unwell for a long time before she disappeared .
I take issue with the word “unfair” — HOW is it “unfair”? They have said Kate needs to prioritize not only her health, but also her family and privacy over work. So if she doesn’t come back in the same capacity, how if that unfair?
‘Unfair’
‘Ambushed’
‘Bullied’
‘Trying to move on’
They can’t seem to help themselves, the stuff under the surface rankling them still bubbles up in these stories. Whatever is holding them back from telling the whole story must be a doozy…
Why would it be odd that she doesn’t do engagements, but she is doing things with her family? If I was god forbid diagnosed with cancer and under treatment, I would temporarily say “to hell with work” and save my energy for treatment and my kids. I don’t know how she specifically is doing, but if I was scared about whether I might survive or not, I’d definitely bank on my kids above anything else and just hope everything turns out ok and I can return to work eventually. I’ve had multiple people around me in the last couple of years that looked like they were doing better and then they took a very fast sharp turn for the worst. I would never take the chance of spending time on work instead of my family if I wasn’t out of the woods yet.
I don’t think there’s anything weird about her being with family and doing things like cooking and baking etc but the stories about her sneaking out in the morning for cold swimming (which is endurance exercise) do not mesh with stories about extreme illness and difficult treatment is all. Obviously some reporting wires are being crossed.
“The Windsors are soft-launching certain stories in the American media…”
Does it even concern their subjects, whom are paying taxes for these people – care that their primary focus and target audience they want to relay the message to are Americans.
I mean if Biden is soft launching something to another country first instead of the US- that would truly concern me.
If now minds are changed to mental health crisis then I must assume you must all think the “Kate” cancer announcement video is fake — No? If I’m not mistaken… i remember berating commenters for being conspiracy theorist for not believing the cancer video and for not believing the cancer diagnosis.
Surely, that doesn’t make sense . She was able to do that video and speak the best she ever has during a mental health crisis but she cant be seen in any other simple capacity…. because mental health?
Also, I dont buy for a minute her lack of work ethic has anything to do in the PAST (prior to her disappearance) involving her mental health. That woman was lazy the 10 years she chased william and it hasn’t changed in the 10 years she has been married to him.
Also, Kate has always garbled her words and never sounded intelligent since the start. That is not something new. She has just been under the spotlight more because of Meghan. William didn’t suddenly start looking at Kate because of “concern” over her consistent through the years garbled mouth. William looks at Kate that way because he cannot stand her — “garbled” words and all.
Mental health is the new ‘stoma/colostomy bag theory ‘, apparently…
I agree with you.