The Duchess of Sussex gave her first podcast interview to her friend Jamie Kern Lima, and the pod was released on Monday. Meghan made so much news on the podcast, talking about all kinds of interesting things. Obviously, an entire national media has become obsessed with one off-hand moment in the podcast. That moment: Lima described receiving a gift basket from Meghan last year, a basket with some jam and a nice little note. Lima then added a photo of the basket on the YouTube video, and Meghan’s note included her full title, “HRH The Duchess of Sussex.” In 2020, the Sussexes promised to not use their HRHs, but the Windsors promised to provide security and space for a year, and that did not happen. So, this has become a Defcon 1 emergency in the British media and royalist media. So much so that I’m pretty sure that Prince William and Kate were late to their event in Scotland yesterday because William was throwing a raging tantrum about Meghan’s title and style. Obviously, Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast got the exclusive! Some highlights:
William will strip the Sussexes’ HRHs: Prince William will strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their HRH (His/Her Royal Highness) titles when he becomes king, after Meghan made it clear she plans to continue using the honorific, sources have told the Daily Beast. William’s determined position makes a stark contrast to that of the king, who is understood not to have any appetite for a fight on the issue.
Why Meghan feels like she can use the HRHs privately: Meghan’s side is arguing that she is entitled to use the title, provided it’s not for commercial use. A Meghan source said: “Harry and Meghan retain their HRH titles; however, by agreement, they do not use them for commercial purposes. While they do not publicly use ‘HRH,’ this was a personal gift, and their titles remain.”
The bloody Sandringham Summit deal: However, this interpretation was described by one former courtier as “complete rubbish.” This source said that the so-called Sandringham Summit, which settled the terms of Meghan and Harry’s exit from the ranks of working royalty, “made it clear they had agreed not to use the HRH titles at all, ever, in any capacity.” The official statement, which can still be seen on the official royal website, clearly supports this interpretation. It reads: “The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.”
William despises the Sussexes: The former courtier added: “Charles might be happy to put up with this, but William won’t. He loathes and despises Harry and Meghan with every bone in his body, he believes they have betrayed everything the family stands for and the idea that they are using their royal status as a calling card will enrage him.”
A provocation: Friends of William told the Daily Beast last week that they thought Meghan was testing the waters by posting a letter addressing her as HRH from the vice president of Ukraine, but had “deniability” because the note came from someone else. Printing up compliments slips using her HRH is an entirely different scale of provocation.
Charles has lost control: A friend of William’s told the Daily Beast: “Charles has completely lost control. It’s apparent that Harry and Meghan have every intention of making his final years a misery, just as he feared they would. Meghan using her HRH exposes how weak and enfeebled he is. She knows he won’t do anything. There is no way King William will stand for this. The titles will simply be removed when he is king. A way will be found.”
I was expecting William to rage-shriek about Meghan’s HRH. What I didn’t expect was this attack on Charles: “Meghan using her HRH exposes how weak and enfeebled he is. She knows he won’t do anything.” Holy sh-t. That says so much more about William than it does Charles, Meghan or Harry. Charles is a rotten old sh-thead, but I don’t fault him for not chiming in or making a big fuss over the HRHs and Sussex titles. Harry even gave Charles several months to decide if he wanted to remove anything or change anything back in late 2022 and early 2023, and Charles shrugged it off. That’s not Charles being “weak” or “enfeebled” – that’s Charles playing a long game and not running around like a violently temperamental hothead and rage-addict like William.
As for William stomping his feet and throwing this huge tantrum… well, this is truly the only thing he’s passionate about at this point and it’s the only reason he wants to be king. His first order of business will be a formal revocation of Harry and Meghan’s HRH styles. And what happens then? Harry and Meghan will laugh and continue to enjoy their lives in sunny California.
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Of course this petty man child would run to the rota screaming about “stripping titles” .. the ugliness of this man is not just on the outside. Hope that notecard ruined his Scotland holiday.
Looks like it! 😂
HRH Meghan ruins Scottish trip! Willie incandescent! 😂
I kinda hope this is Meghan poking the bear a bit.
Such a fuss about 3 letters. They need perspective.
Such a fuss about 3 letters is right. My American perspective is to roll my eyes. Oooh, 3 whole letters. If this whole HRH thing is really driving William mad, then I’m laughing. Someone needs to jump-scare him and whisper-shout HRH, Meghan has an HRH, just to see him lose his shit.
@Jais but that’s the fun part, those three letters are literally all he has. He has achieved nothing with his life and I don’t see that changing. All he has is his title/rank and if people won’t be lorded over by him he’s just a sad angry man with nothing to show for his time on this planet.
Aw that’s sad if that’s the fun part. l have some empathy towards that sad angry man. If only he wouldn’t try to hurt his brother’s family. But he does. So, you know, consequences.
https://unpacked4.wordpress.com/2025/04/30/hrh-warfare-prince-william-girds-his-loins-for-the-battle-of-montecito/
If you want a laugh at Peggy battle for the HRH 😂
@Hypocrisy that’s hilarious. I will have to read the other articles and make this one of my regular reads. Thank you for the laugh and the website.
Petty Peggy is plenty pissed!
Welp I’m sure he managed to piss Camilla off with his sentiments about Charles in this article, so let’s sit back and watch as she likely does something to get her revenge in the coming weeks. She cannot be happy that her husband was referred to as “weak and enfeebled!”
If Bill spent even a quarter of the time he spends being angry and raging about the Sussexes actually being productive, he might accomplish something. But he’s made it pretty clear that the priorities of his reign are 1) to do even less than he does now — see his comments about being a “work from home” monarch 🙄— and 2) being vengeful toward his brother in every way he possibly can. He’s already ended expectations that he’ll even show up to Church on Easter. The future Head of the COE! What a sad, pathetic life William has boxed himself into.
Diana: Come on William or Harry will have all the fun 🤩 William: No, no, no 😡 he is still that little boy 😡
And Harry really is having all the fun, which is the way it should be.
Seriously. But imagine being the type of man whose father’s death means only “revenge” or “pay back” to you. That is one warped person.
Another week another fit by Peggy claiming to take away HM titles. This is getting old, its making him look bad, but hey, at least he’s got one thing he hasn’t grown bored of.
Willie can’t just take away their HRH by himself. In fact there is a whole procedure to go through, via parliament, for it to happen. So…we’ll see.
He better keep an eye on his blood pressure with all these anger issues. I don’t like William, but I’d hate for George to inherit the throne as a teenager because his daddy stroked out in the middle of a fit of anger.
What a pathetic man. His better brother and his wife lives in this man’s head rent free. Okay, strip the HRH. Harry and Meghan will still be in love, residing in California, raising their kids , all while doing charitable endeavours.
That pathetic manchild is in serious need for some intensive mental healthcare.
I kinda wish Harry would start ising Harry Spencer.
Does he have a title from that side btw? Or only eldest sons&his children?
It goes through the oldest son, so he can’t use the earl.
Harry s entitled to use his legal name.
The Windsors are a complete clown show.
“There is no way King William will stand for this.”
He’s not king yet. Sounds like treason.
Used to be the person envisioning the death of the reigning monarch – let alone verbalizing – would get an instant appointment with THE HEADSMAN!
William is seriously counting his chickens before they hatch. He is the next (cough) (gag) head of the COE. The story of Haman should give him pause. That wicked man was publicly hanged in the massive gallows he built for Mordecai!
It’s really wild how so many of the articles about William and Kate refer to Chuck as if he already has one foot in the grave! True he isn’t the healthiest man ATM, but the life spans in this family are insane. His parents both lived to be almost 100 years old. And wasn’t his maternal grandmother up there as well?
There’s a chance he’s going to surprise everyone and live another 20 years, lol. (Which I think Bill would actually be fine with, if it wasn’t for the fact that he wants to start his revenge campaign on Harry sooner rather than later; it seems to be all he thinks or talks about anymore.)
It is funny bc as much as we get in the weeds of the technicalities of William removing the titles, like Kaiser said in the article, the bigger issue is that William is calling Charles weak for not doing so. Which is WILD. Assuming the sources are real and not made up.
“It reads: “The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.”” This doesn’t even make sense. Bea and Eugenie still use HRH and have never been considered “working” royals. And, I wonder, why it never mentions stripping A&L of their “HRH”. Afraid that will be a step too far threatening children? Or they want people to buy into the “they don’t exist” deranger point? I wonder if using the titles some has anything to do with the security lawsuit. Maybe Harry’s lawyers said to do it.
This is why H&M doing the Oprah interview and their docuseries and Spare were so important -they put a lot on the record that the royals maybe don’t want on the record. For example, with the titles. Meghan made it clear that when she was pregnant, they were discussing issuing new Letters Patent that would remove HRH from Archie and Lili when Charles became king. Before that, there had been a lot of talk on gossip sites and in the press about how the reason Archie wasn’t made HRH when he was born was bc that was H&M’s choice and that they didnt want him to be HRH.
I know that I was one who assumed that it was likely QEII would issue new LP making the Sussex children HRH from birth just because that was going to happen sooner rather than later, given the late queen’s age and health at the time. And when she didn’t, I was again one who assumed that was because H&M said “thanks but no thanks.” (as were many on here.)
So Meghan correcting that on the record, saying that the talk was actually the opposite, about changing it so they would NEVER be HRH, was very important IMO because it exposed that it didn’t matter what the Sussexes did, someone in that family did not want their children to be HRH. It had nothing to do with interviews or memoirs or docuseries. Someone (cough william cough) was against it from the beginning. I wonder if he even wanted the queen to give Harry a ducal title.
Anyway, all that to say that I do think somewhere someone in William’s camp knows that stripping the titles from A&L would be a bad look – that’s why they wanted to change it before they were even born.
Honestly, I know why QEII changed the rules before George was born, but she should have changed them in a different way IMO. she changed them bc at the time, only the first born son of the eldest son of the PoW was entitled to HRH – separate from the succession rules. So had Charlotte been born first, she would have been the heir but would have been Lady Charlotte and the first born son would have been HRH Prince and that wouldn’t have changed until Charles was king. But IMO she should have changed it completely so that only the first born was HRH Prince/ss and the rest were Lord/Lady and it didn’t change when Charles became king. Reduce the number of HRHs, don’t increase them. That also would have removed the issue for Harry’s children bc the precedent would have been set.
I really think they didn’t do that in part bc william would have had a fit, but also bc they never expected Harry to marry and have children.
Sorry that’s really long and not necessarily in direct response to your comment, lol. My thoughts are all over the place today.
This is a great encapsulation of the situation, Becks. Oprah allowed the Sussexes to provide their own narrative for the first time. That’s why the comment about Meghan being silenced resonated so much. Their actions since then reveal a truth that the royals perhaps, in their blindness, didn’t realize they were revealing: they never had any intention of Meghan becoming an active member of the family, with children who would be in the line of succession. She was supposed to go away, by any means necessary, and on her own, so they didn’t look like racists. They were going to change the rules just for her: they wanted to make sure her kids wouldn;t be royals, and even if she had left, they would have figured out a way to take her title, so she wouldn’t be like the Duchess of York. I’ll bet they had some dumb courtesy title set aside for her: Lady Dumbledon or something, to preserve the Duchess of Sussex title for Harry’s “real wife”.
Ohh, yeah. that’s an interesting point. The LP making them all HRH is actually not in line with Charles’ idea of a slimmed down monarchy. It could have been the opposite. That all except the heir became lords and ladies, minus the HRH. Interesting. I do wonder if the Wales will chuck out the slimmed down monarchy idea, just in terms of their own children. Obviously not cousins, lol. And as much as the BM likes to say that Meghan was confused on that part, she was not. And she was clearer than any of the royal experts actually. The only part that she got wrong was the tying of the security with the titles and that’s likely bc people around her were purposely obfuscating that issue.
And yeah, as much as the BM bemoans Oprah, the Netflix series and the book, it was smart as hell and that’s why they cry about it so much.
None of the great grandchildren should have had the HRH. The Letters Patent should have removed it for all of the great grandchildren so then the kids could have a normal life as they pretended to want.
Becks1, there had been reports back in the day that William had wanted the Sussex title, but could not get it as it had been reserved for Harry. I am guessing that the only reason William wanted it in the first place was because it had been designated for Harry. So they ended up going through several suggestions for William before he got Cambridge.
And yes, I agree that William definitely did not want Harry’s children to be HRH Prince/Princess.
I’ll also add that although it was reported that the queen issued the letters patent making all of William’s children HRH Prince/Princess from birth “just in case Kate gave birth to a girl” as her firstborn, I remain convinced that she and William and certainly the Middletons had always known that Kate was expecting a boy, so there was no need for the letters patent to begin with. Someone among that bunch wanted ALL of his children to be HRHs from birth and this is the excuse they used to persuade the queen to issue that decree. In fact, the “dilemma” was being talked up in the usual Middleton-sourced media well before the queen issued that letters patent. William is recorded as saying to someone that “Kate knows whether the baby will be a boy or girl, but I do not. ” Knowing how controlling he is, can you imagine William not knowing that his wife was expecting a son?
Unless Charles dies shortly, like next 2-3 years, William will not do this, no way. It’s just too petty and will be such an old beef that I think even the crazy courtiers would understand how bad it would look. Unless Meghan totally changes who she is and starts smacking HRH on her products (lol she won’t) and it remains personal use at this level, in 5 years or whenever William is finally king, it will have been a normal practice that didn’t cause the collapse of the monarchy for more than a decade.
ETA: My own personal theory is that the window for William is actually until Invictus is in the UK. After that, game over on any punitive measures against Harry. I’ve mentioned before my family’s veteran connection and I don’t think even in the UK outside the military community, the power of IG is really fully appreciated. I think that the average Brit’s view on Harry (which already isn’t bad) will move from neutral to proud of what he has accomplished and is doing POST- leaving the RF. I really believe IG will be a game changer and that any overtly hostile acts against Harry after that will be very unpopular. Currently, I think most Brits wouldn’t really care. Not approve, but just don’t pay attention or care enough about monarchy stuff. IG will change that imo
Seen in that light, the Sentebale debacle served to show Willie’s attempt to seize it. But he failed. He will try to do the same, of course, to IG but given Willie couldn’t be arsed to go to Turkey for Anzac Day, he will fail and fail badly.
Willie will continue to be jealous of Harry and his jealousy will be his downfall.
Babe, are you reading british media? The whole nation gets informed by the right wing media there. Even on f*cking BBC, the tabloids are treated as legitimate source. They voted for Brexit because the media told them so. There is no way anything will change. The IG will be reported by the media who creates hate articles every hour. If it is all positive, they are gonna ignore it and write fiction about H&M’s marriage. Nothing is gonna change, because the media is controlled by BRF and working for them, even though it makes them lose money.
IG will be in the UK. It doesn’t matter how it’s covered by the media, people will actually see it in person. They will meet competitors and families of veterans from around the world out and about during IG. The media can only control the coverage of IG so far because it hasn’t been in the UK. And, yes, I’m extremely familiar with UK media, I actually work closely with the UK government on a number of projects. And yeah I believe that IG will be a game changer that the media can’t cover up or downplay.
@LadyE, I mean, Harry worked for his country for decades, went to numerous events, met with the actual people. Still, when the media turned on him and his wife, people believed all the lies. I hope you are right, but I actually don’t see how it is gonna change anything. Sure, people in Birmingham will have a chance to see IG and make their own minds about Harry and his work. But, they are still gonna pick up a paper or listen to the news and believe every little lie about him and Meghan.
@sevenblue, so I’m not British, but I do work insanely closely with British people all the time and have an unusually high number of British colleagues (I’m American, but work for an international NGO) who are friends and colleagues. I can’t speak for British people, it’s just my observation, but I really don’t have the impression the average Brit dislikes Harry at all. I think they just think it’s all silly drama that is either a bit amusing or they ignore it. In conversations, what is most striking to me is that most of my Brit friends just don’t feel any particular outrage on behalf of how Harry is treated- they are a bit immune to RF behavior and I think think it is normal given how Diana, Fergie, pretty much all royals have been treated by the press at some point and they don’t really see a difference in degree with H&M (I don’t agree with this, I think it’s much more sinister and vicious, but that’s how I understand their view). My impression is that they just don’t take any of it seriously, not that the majority of people really dislike Harry. And because of what IG is, how powerful it is to actually see, I think that it will break through and make people feel protective of Harry in a way they don’t now.
@LadyE Even the stuff with Di and Fergie was highly misogynistic. Hard to see how anyone just sees that as how things are.
@somebody – yeah absolutely misognistic! I completely agree. That’s what I mean by my observation that there’s a weird normalization of this behavior by the press among my British friends (who otherwise would not be ok at all with that and aren’t for other female celebrities, it’s like a weird royal blindspot).
@Sevenblue obviously the tabloids media in the UK is seen as a more mainstream media than it is in the U.S. or possibly other countries, but it isn’t as much of an influence to people as you make it seem. Lots of people know and understand that it’s not exactly credible or accurate. The tabloid media in the UK has been lying about Harry most if not all of his life, yet with all of that, he still has consistently managed to be one of, if not the most popular in that family. The tabloid media has created this positive image of who William is all of his life, even trying to make him seem more intelligent, attractive and important than Harry. None of that has ever made William the most popular or impactful. You had military personnel hoping that it was Harry joining them and not William. You had the Queen sending Harry to countries over William, by invitation by commonwealth countries. You had the Queen make Harry and Meghan President and Vice President of the Commonwealth Trust, instead of William and Kate. You had the tabloid media then and even now flying everywhere Harry and Meghan are just to focus on them, even over William and Kate. The UK tabloids can say all the lies they want to say but the public in the UK, commonwealth and US know that their words aren’t true or credible.
@Nerd, I heard and read from real people in UK who absolutely believe all the lies written about H&M. I don’t think you understand the power of propaganda. That is why the media is telling the same lies over and over again, in order to make the lies a reality. It is the same way Trump operates. People there voted for Brexit, believing the lies of the tabloids. So, you can’t say they don’t have that much power over the public. Of course, someone can be skeptical about an article on the Sun. But, this article and its content then gets repeated on BBC, ITV. That gives it legitimacy.
The media attack on Meghan has been so successful that most people in my family, friends and acquantaince groups absolutely loathe Meghan. They believe EVERYTHING written about her (golddigger, bully, DIFFICULT, etc)
I’ve had so many heated arguments about this but I simply don’t anymore. I just congratulate them on their gullability. Some people I’ve blocked entirely from SM, while the only person I keep fighting with is my mother who has come around a bit after watching HARRY & MEGHAN.
My father, on the other hand, is a huge fan. He loves Harry. He’s always said he believes them solely because they walked away from their privilege and one of the most powerful institutions in the world, and that, to him, indicates just how badly they were treated.
Good for your dad.
you know, I always felt — as an American living in the UK — that half of this was being female and half of it was a combination of being American and divorced and Hollywood. Which — to be fair — does raise the prospect that Meghan’s from a very different culture. But what did they do with this insight? Adapt? Recalibrate? Check their own bigoted lazy assumptions? No. They insisted on pasting her into a penalty box adorned with ludicrous cliches and badly re-tread smears, that reeks of utter desperation and frankly entitlement and chauvinist disdain. Racism? Sure, one more thing in the mix. But race wouldn’t have been a liability if Meghan ticked the other boxes — if she were a submissive, people-pleasing, mute, self-abasing inherently passive personality like Kate is. If she were a geisha or a mummy’s girl, or a witless cheerleader, no one would care that she’s biracial. I keep trying to explain this to British people I casually know: the whole psychodrama comes across to Americans as racist not just because Meghan is biracial. It just borrows too many tired tropes, it’s too shrill, it relies on too many third-rate recycled character assassination trigger points, it’s dog whistle after dog whistle. It’s too petty and too grandiose all at the same time. It’s infra dig. If the royals had any dignity or decency, we wouldn’t be here. I’m seriously wondering if William realises he’s become the poster boy for toxic masculinity. Seriously. After Andrew Tate, it’s William. Charles was horrid to family members but I don’t get the impression he loathes women on principle. William does, it would seem. why??? is he closeted? who knows. who cares. it’s not a valid reason. was he traumatised by his mother confiding her distress in him? likely. but many kids survive their parents’ distress without becoming hateful lunatics. i seriously wonder at this point whether he’s going to make it to the throne before George. I think the Queen knew something was wrong with him, and that having the two-step transition of Charles III and William V was going to test the system. I think she was praying for George to come out unscathed and the fact that he shares his name with her own father, whom she adored, must have been a small sign of consolation.
ParkRunMum – I’m neither american or british, so I’m not entirely sure what the basic issue at hand is, though I agree race has a lot to do with it.
Had Meghan been LESS than Kate, she would have been better off within the family, but Meghan shines brighter than anyone in that family and they could not stand it. She put everyone to shame the moment she stepped down the airplane in Australia and had work binders. She consistently outworked and outwitted William and Kate at every turn to the point she was placed under house arrest. The only way they can feel useful, powerful and centred is by hating and harrassing Meghan and her children. Just wait until Lili and Archie start having more or a public identity – the Windsors won’t be able to handle 2 gorgeous, well-rounded, ginger Royal babies.
Same here in Australia , they were treated like rock stars here on their first trip and then the smear campaign started .
It is ongoing to this day and most people I know hate them now .
I used to try to defend them , but people believe what they want to believe .
So I went off Facebook and only follow sites like this and other supportive IG and Twitter .
My family all think I am insane for my loyalty to the Sussexes as well .
I never respond to anything about them and to be honest the Royal family is very rarely brought up in group gatherings , which is good .
I still live in hope that the truth will come out before I die.
But Egg has no power to do anything. The king does and all this talk pretending Egg can do the king’s job while the king is still king both insults zcharles and makes William look like he is playing dress up king!
Hmm…I don’t know. Veterans as a whole also lean right wing. I wish I could believe that their bond of military service is more intrinsic to their worldview than racism and nationalism, but I don’t think it is. What’s more likely in my opinion is that they will find ways to say Harry’s service didn’t count, the same way US vets treated John Kerry.
He won’t do sh*t. Nobody in the government or around the BRF will allow the King to remove titles because he doesn’t like them. That would mean the others would lose theirs too if the King Joffrey gets annoyed by them. Nobody is gonna let the King have that power.
We don’t know what Willy really wants. But what we see every day is what the press wants. Incite, outrage, divide, play off. And to serve the archetype of the “nasty woman”. In the end, it’s like J.Clarkson. Every one of these medieval types would love to drive a beautiful black woman through a city
and gloat sadistically and show the world that the power of white men is unbroken. This has to be proven anew every day. The dirtier, the better. A public revocation of the title by the white heir to the throne fits in well with this line of press. Do these people know what they are doing or are they unconscious racists and misogynists?
Peg Peg Peg. Now there’s the incandescent rageaholic that we have all come to expect. 24/7 the healthy and happy and hard working Sussexes are in his bald head. Showing everyone what a complete and utter man child that he is and will always be. King Man Child ruling with a jealous fist.
Rageaholic is right. A former courtier said that he loathes and despises Harry and Meghan with every bone in his body. Jeez. Truly reminds me of what Clarksen said. No wonder William is going on his show. Whenever I hear about how much William despises the Sussexes I just think well yeah bc they are charismatic and gorgeous and make the Wales look drab in comparison.
William needs therapy, he sounds unhinged.
Can William revoke Harry’s HRH? Meghan is the married-in but Harry is born royal. That was not gifted to him when he married Meghan. And so much for William the Statesman. They are giving him credit for facilitating Chump and Zelenskyy meeting but he can’t even accept his own brother and sister-in-law existing.
My understanding is that only an act of Parliament can revoke their titles. That legislation could be introduced, but I imagine that would happen only if Peg leans on some of the members. I doubt it would pass, but who knows.
I think it would be a bad move on Peggy’s part. Ok, she’s not a duchess? We will call her Princess then. Not a problem. To most people that’s the higher title.
HRH is separate from the title of Duke. William can take away the HRH by issuing a new letters patent. An act of parliament is needed to strip the Sussex title.
Lol, I feel like we talk about this every time this story comes up. I’m trying to remember what we said last time so let’s see how wrong I possibly get this. William could technically write a LP that takes away just the Sussex HRH, without affecting anyone else, but it would be seen as extremely petty. The HRH is purely a royal styling and that’s why William could do this. A lot of people seem to say he wouldn’t dare do this but I’m not sure why we wouldn’t put anything past William. Now, yes, the duke/duchess titles would have to be stripped through an act of parliament. THE HRH however does not need parliament approval and can be taken by William through an exclusive LP just for the Sussexes. But at that point they would still be Prince and Princess Henry.
I hope that if he does this Parliament wants more titles taken from Huevo’s other relatives. And the relatives would take offense.
But … removing the style with the Letter Patent isn’t easy because it would affect not just Harry, Meghan and their kids but other members of the extended family as well (for example the Yorks and Edward and his family). I doubt if you can issue a Letter Patent against one member of the family.
He can absolutely write a letters patent against one member of the family.
It would be a better look if he removed HRH from all except the oldest child of the heir (so George would keep it; George’s oldest would have it but not any other children, etc) but he won’t do that, he’s not touching Charlotte or Louis’ HRH styles.
I could see him writing one explicitly removing Harry’s, or wording it so that he ties it into being children of the prince of wales or something but would have to word it so it didnt apply to Harry.
He would have to remove the HRH from Andrew and Edward to be consistent. Harry hasn’t committed treason which has been the only reason where a blood royal has had their HRH removed.
Women have lost it when divorced from a blood royal.
William doesn’t want to play this game because the whole system will be scrutinized and he does not want that b
It is on his birth certificate. It would just make William look totally unfit to be King, and if he took the title away from Meghan that would just look racist. It would also show a lack of respect for the late Queen.
It doesn’t matter if it’s on his birth certificate, the monarch can have the certificate changed (they changed Archie’s birth certificate to replace Meghan’s name with her title, w/o anyone’s consent).
But they live in America now. They could legally change their names to HRH Prince Henry et al., and there’s nothing the royal family could do about it. Personally, I wouldn’t, because inherited titles are stupid and have no place in the modern world . . . but they could, if they wanted to.
Meghan by marriage is entitled to have her husbands rank and style. It takes special letters patent to remove the HRH from a spouse. Wallis, Duchess of Windsor was fully entitled to the HRH. BUt the King and Queen (later the Queen Mother) removed the HRH. In the long run it did not really matter if Wallis had the title, her husband was no longer king and he was called HRH Duke of Windsor. I think William would be confronted at why he removed the HRH from his brother and his wife (and from the only biracial woman in the family). Not everybody adores William and thinks he’s always right to say the least. This could sink the monarchy
That’s not quite accurate, according to Wikipedia: Wallis was never granted the style HRH and her husband spent many years, to no avail, campaigning to have it granted her.
The section in this article on the United Kingdom makes several things clear, including that the sovereign could indeed issue a Letter of Patent affecting only one member of the family or one family within the royal hierarchy, and that Andrew is supposedly no longer using his HRH either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Highness?wprov=sfla1
He can strip them, I guess, but he can’t actually do anything if they continue to use them. I can call myself HRH Tuesday of Blueberryton and what will they do, sue???
I’d love it if they did a legal name change here in the states.
Exactly. William has no jurisdiction in California, so stripping them of their HRH won’t do much here in the good old U.S. of A. But, beyond the symbolism of stripping them of these titles, why does it matter? I remember all the discussion around Diana’s HRH in the 1990s, and I’ve read all of the HRH stuff about the Yorks, but the one thing I’ve never understood is what an HRH means. It’s about sort of…how you are treated inside the royal ecosystem, right? It’s not necessarily to do with funding or security, because H&M have already lost that. It’s a title/honorific, but beyond royal watchers very few people know or care about it. Whenever we see the royal family together (at weddings, funerals, etc) the HRHs are usually sitting together in the best seats in the chapel, but that could also be chalked up to the fact that they are close family members. But that doesn’t matter because H&M won’t be invited to William’s hat party or George’s wedding or whatever is on the horizon. So why does this matter? Has anybody else found a good explanation for why we should care? Harry and Meghan are not famous because they are HRHs. If HRHs could be easily converted into fame, you’d better believe Sophie and Edward would be hosting a Netflix show right now. But they aren’t. So what does it mean to be in the HRH club?
Non royal dukes have the honorific ‘His Grace’ Royal dukedoms belong to the crown and have HRH Sussex is a royal dukedom, I imagine that the HRH goes with the title so would require a parliamentary vote to take it away. His Grace The Duke of Norfolk. HRH The Duke of Sussex.
No, HRH is not tied specifically to the dukedom. Archie will be HRH The Duke of Sussex when he becomes duke after Harry passes, but his son will just be The Duke of Sussex. For example when the duke of kent dies, the dukedom will no longer be a royal dukedom and I think his son will just be “your grace” but the current duke is HRH as he is a grandson in the male line of a monarch.
@SueBarbri33:
I did some digging, because I was curious on this point too — what practical effect does the gain or loss of an HRH style have on a person in the UK?
The answer appears to be: there is no practical effect. It doesn’t impact monetary or security or inheritance arrangements. It is purely a matter of social status.
It is created or removed generally via Letters Patent issued by the monarch., and is just basically swagger.
Uh oh! Willy’s mad! Quick, someone get him some hot beer and a football game to distract him!
Lazy-ass bum racist traitor. What a way to treat your younger brother and his family — traitor.
He is a throwback to those off the wall roman emperors like nero.
Haha 😂, weren’t they ‘happily’ loved up and tactile celebrating 🥳 their anniversary? Wasn’t that what the media was laying on so thickly for the world in their reporting? 😂 so was he happy 😃 or was he angry 😡. Which is it? The media can’t get their narrative to line up, can they? I’m loving the shit show.
Poor William 🙃. He probably goes to bed every night hoping he’ll wake up and hear that his father is dead. What a twerp he is.
I was wondering. Are Archie and Lili HRH. A Quick Look on google says “Yes, Archie and Lilibet are entitled to be styled as HRH Prince Archie and HRH Princess Lilibet. This is because they are grandchildren of the monarch (King Charles III) and therefore, according to rules established by King George V in 1917, they automatically inherit the titles. While they are technically entitled to the HRH title, their parents, Harry and Meghan, have chosen not to use it publicly. “
This suggests, the only way to officially remove HRH would be to do it across the board, which would impact his own children and grandchildren more. I think Harry and Meghan would be liberated by the move. William’s inability to get past Harry leaving hurts him more than anyone. The BM will continue to obsess over them whatever they do.
Yes, if he changes the rules it will affect more than H&M. Bea and Eugenie would lose theirs also. I doubt PW cares enough about them for that to limit him, but his own grandchildren would be affected. Harry’s not just the grandchild of a monarch, however. The king is his father. So any change PW made would also affect Charlotte and Louis unless he made it only “working” royals and put them on the payroll. Even with making it only “working” royals, H&M once were so that would mean any others who retired from “working” would also be affected. Quite likely why Charles has left it alone. He realizes the complexity and PW isn’t bright enough to or the BM isn’t.
So, I know this comes up that ti would have to be across the board and would affect the Yorks and future Wales children but I think William could technically write an LP just for the Sussexes. The issue is if he did it would look truly terrible. Maybe I’m wrong though as the majority of my knowledge comes from past conversations in the comments.
I guess, he could, but as you say it would look incredibly racist if it were directed at only the biracial family. And if it were only directed at Harry, who is farther up in line than many of the others, how would it look?
It would look terrible and racist. But I mean William is terrible so just saying. I could see him wanting to take that gamble. It might depend on his courtiers having more sense. Although if JK is still around…
He could isolate Harry in the letters patent but the precedent for that is treason.
And Harry is a combat veteran who has done nothing to warrant this. William would spark up a republican movement with this kind of petty act.
I agree that it would be absurd for him to do so. But I think William is an idiot consumed by jealousy. And I feel like the Sussexes will be good either way, So I just feel okay, Willy-boy, bet. Try it.
Yes, to take it from the children would be to punish the innocent. But he could do it when he is King, as the HRHs could be left in place for the children of the King. So George’s children would get it when their father becomes King and Charlotte’s and Louis’s children won’t. It all sounds petty to me, it reflects one the character of William. What a waste of parliamentary time.
Peggington is so obsessed with his brother and sister-in-law that he doesn’t realize that showing the world that he’s a petty, vindictive a-hole is not a good look. He would be the bigger man if he expressed that it doesn’t bother him, if he were smart, which he isn’t.
I agree. That’s why I think he will go ahead and try to strip their HRHs even if it makes him look bad or hurts other members of the RF. William has proven that he has no understanding of how this would all play out and will proceed to destroy his own reputation to serve his vindictive obsession. Very Trumpian.
Something is wrong with William. He needs to be taken out of line of succession. What a spoiled vengeful brat
This is one of those articles where you can tell Sykes doesn’t like William either and is happy to make him look ridiculous.
I wonder if one of the reasons Charles is fairly chill about the Harry/Meghan stuff is because he knows how insane William is about it and that it makes William look bad, and by contrast he is the more mature and levelheaded leader.
William would have to pull the HRH on Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie and any other non working royal with the honorific.
It is richard 2 all over again who confiscated property from his relatives. Ultimately he was ousted by his cousin
I have thought of this too. Richard II also was consumed with jealousy and petty as hell. I just finished reading The Eagle and the Hart by Helen Castor about R2 and it’s fascinating.
Has Bulliam the Incandescent aka the Willionaire Slumlord solved the housing crisis yet?
Brought peace to the Middle East?
Contributed anything to improve the situation of people suffering from the effects of the climate catastrophe?
Renovated the rotting, mildewed accommodation his tenants have to live in?
But hey, Sussexes. Rent free.
What a sorry excuse for a human being Harry’s brother is.
“He betrayed everything he family stands for”. No he didn’t. He told the truth. Not one person ever said he lied. This is what William really fears; that the truth about him and the monarchy will destroy him.
I just unfriended AND blocked someone who was a long time Facebook friend. She commented on an article about Harry speaking to children about the danger of social media.
She said that “vile man” should not be anywhere around children. I couldn’t believe her. Harry? Vile? Smh.
Well done.
So the family stands for putting up with William’s bullying and trying to force his brother to ditch his wife and children, and have his minion put out lies about Meghan. Then if it stands for that , it should be abolished promptly
@libra, they’re telling us the family stands for greed, privilege, entitlement, the aristocracy, racism and classism and above all, discretion. In telling his truth Harry did betray all that. He shone an unflattering light on them.
@one of the Mary’s, yes, exactly. Harry did betray them. And good for him, like you say too. He didnt betray his wife, children and his own code.
Tom Sykes is the man who exposed Will’s affair with Rose. No way is Will leaking to him, when he could leak to a tame pro-Will rat.
Either this is fake and Tom making stuff up, or he has genuine connections inside KP who are spilling things they’ve overheard. (I assume the latter, since Sykes has a rep for being very diligent and not sucking up to the royals.) But no way was this a deliberate leak from Will. He’d never have anything to do with the person who openly hates him and exposed his affair.
Tom stopped talking about the affair, started getting exclusives from KP about H&M, the same thing happened to other reporters talking about Will & Rose. Omid talked about how KP was trying to shut down the affair rumors by offering other things to the reporters. That is how Meghan was turned into the official sacrificial lamb.
@Samuelshiskers Maybe Knauf is pushing this narrative on behalf of William. It sounds very personal and we have seen from his public actions that he is not at all fond of Meghan. 🤔 I think, he more than any other KP staff thinks that Meghan should not be a Royal at all. I think he was/is the key saboteur in the sabotage (media leaks) of the Sussexes’ life in and out of the institution. I believe he knows how to yank William’s strings to influence his thoughts and actions and he is the advisor William relies on the most.
But Dan Whooten also wrote about the Rose affair and we know that William later leaked to him via Christian Jones and his boyfriend. I think KP tends to have a strategy of getting journalists who’ve written something negative in the past onside through a steady stream of planted details and sourced comments. Usually about Meghan.
I feel sorry for George who is favored by William. And has to be with rage monster. Children do overhear things too.
As the Tony Blair character in the movie The Queen said somebody please help these people save themselves! These nameless courtiers constantly try to inflate their importance and in the process confirm just how meaningless the monarchy is. If all the sovereign has the power to do is play with people’s titles and styles, while the country falls to ruin economically and is in a foreign policy morass, Republic really does have a good chance to lead the wzy to abolishing or defunding the whole institution.
QE2 was expert atkeeping it all wrapped in mystery. Charles and Egg are spilling their privates all over the place and don’t realize they are writing their own institutional obit in the process.
I think Republic should really be focusing on defunding the monarchy instead of abolishing the monarchy. The financial aspect of it would resonate more with people than the obscure abolishment of it because people can’t imagine what would be in place of what currently exists.
I think the royal family can survive on either what they earn from the Duchies or the Sovereign Grant. If they insist on continuing to keep the Duchies they shouldn’t need a Sovereign Grant.
More scrutiny 🧐 is not something the monarchy can handle in these turbulent times of dissatisfaction and strife among the people. William and his cabal might be biting off more than they can chew, the leopard 🐆 might turn around and eat his face. 🤷🏽♀️
At any rate, I’m here being entertained by all of the shenanigans. It’s a shit show for the ages. Shakespearean even 🙃. The monarchy in 2025 🙌 …. the shenanigans, the shit show might prove to be even better than 2024.
Cutting their funding is a great tactic. The Spanish Royals receive a fraction of the Brits and they work harder. Given the Lazies work ethic, this is low hanging fruit. Return the duchy income for example. Willie spends most of his time on online forums so I’m sure the taxpayer can cover his internet access…but that’s about it.
He doesn’t need 60 staff members.
for real though
When all monarchy is de-funded they can call themselves whatever and get paid to participate, direct focus to their charities and buisnesss like any other ” influencer”.
Be relevant that way. Share the process, be inspiring, create better Opportunities for others with their generational wealth /married in connections/ inherited titles. All monarchy can reap the financial benefits from getting paid, NOT funded, by these poorer then them.
That is what the GOATS Harry and Meghan do. I think if any “Royal” wants relevance ,security, affluence, income, to create more generational wealth – they follow Meg and Harry’s lead. The other “royals” can stoP stealing from the poor ,because they themselves ,say they are special, need money to upkeep their many palaces and pay security. The media will be fine they would have more pictures to take and actual new words to write. Most of The properties can stay touristy and pay for social programs or be used to benefit tax payors directly.
William continues to do everything in his power the destroy the monarchy which is already on its last leg. His is utterly obsessed with Harry and Meghan; it is quite something to behold. Truly astonishing that he lives, eats and breathes everything Harry and Meghan. Absolutely no one can reason with him or control him. This clown truly needs an intervention and therapy.
Whatever. Harry and Meghan will live their lives they way they want to and this is probably the real reason for William’s anger.
If Harry was born a Prince and a HRH, how is it possible for William to keep insisting he will strip his brother of his legal name? That’s like my brother telling me to stop using my surname. BONKERS.
Harry will always be a prince, regardless of what Willy does regarding titling. Let that be a stone in Willy’s shoe for the rest of his miserable, whiny life.
Meghan will always be Princess Henry.
Meghan and Harry will always have that classy, regal way about them. They’re always going to be super A list. Take away their titles, whatever, you can’t take away their standing in most people’s eyes.
“He loathes and despises Harry and Meghan with every bone in his body,” and this is the guy who we’re led to believe facilitated the sit down between Presidents Trump and Zelnsky? Seriously? Surely, a true dipolomat plays his cards much closer to his chest than that?
I watched a video of the King of Denmark being greeted by crowds in Greenland this morning and it was clear the people were there to see him and cheer him on. He looked every inch the global statesman William wishes he was! Whoever, is telling William continually berating his brother is a “good look” should be fired. I’m not saying royals from other European houses are squeaky clean (especially not the King of Denmark) but, their general manner ensure they look important. Their image of gravitas is not cultivated by allowing stories of their rages and anger to dominate their narratives. William really should watch how European royals behave and try to actually LEARN!
The way I see it the British media just wants to shame Meghan to not use it on any level. Since the thought of a bi-racial, divorced, American woman being referred to or using the title of Her Royal Highness drives them insane.
Also, as a yank I don’t know royal protcol. The deal they made was with the Queen. I don’t know if that automatically transfers over to the King or he has to reaffirm it or change it.
I don’t remember anything on this level when Fergie was literally caught on video selling access to meetings with Andrew for cash. Where was that ourtrage??
I said the same thing yesterday. Even if it takes an act of Parliment. William will do everything in his power to strip them of their titles and birthrights to Harry, Meghan, Lilli and Archie. 100%. All because they dared to be happy and chose their own path. When he becomes King one day.
When they were perfectly willing to keep working as Senior Royals part time. Just like others do but it’s not officially said. Harry and Meghan were driven out of Harry home country. They needed a safe space in California.
Harry will be sad about it but Meghan DGAF. This was a blip in her life so whatever Willie does won’t affect her but her husband’s sadness would.
I disagree it won’t make her sad if she is stripped of her titles. Since she uses them privately. And referred to herself as a Sussex in her lifestyle show.
She married into a royal family. Even if titles technically mean nothing in America. If they choose to continue to live here permantely. It does not change it is her royal title now.
It’s her right through marriage as it is her children’s birthright. As it is her husband’s birthright.
They aren’t doing anything different than other royal members. Earning incomes through business ventures. We all know the only thing different about Meghan is she is bi-racial. They can’t stand the idea of a black woman being royal.
I agree, they were driven out, mainly because Meghan had a mixed race heir to the British throne but also because she was better at the job than Kate. She couldn’t be seen to outshine the future Queen.
1000% agree. Meghan outshone them all.
There was outrage at the time but it didn’t drag on for years.
I don’t Charles is great person or anything, and I think he’s way too spoiled to admit in any way that his decision to toss Harry and Meghan was shortsighted and a poor one or that that decision was led in part by another attempt to placate his elder rage monster son. But I think he knows he messed up. No, I do not think he will be a good person and reconcile with his son, which is the metric that matters here, but I don’t think he keeps the same rage level as William.
Bless William’s heart, he’s a mess.
No Betsy, I don’t think Charles knows he messed up or is placating his son.
He is doing to Harry what he did to Diana, he is the source of the evil.
Charles never sees himself at fault. Somehow he lured a teenager into marriage, and if he didn’t promise Neverending love so at least to build a family happier than that what either he or Diana had. Although he knew the Spencers had a bitter divorce and Sarah hat anorexie, he was surprised Diana had problems? He always wanted his cake and eat it.
William is what came out of this, when a young wife used for breeding is so shocked where she landed herself in that she has pregnancy full of ups and downs.
Charles never takes responsibility for his own choices. I believe he thinks he never “messes up.” He blames other people, for his own shortcomings.
I mean the way Chuckles freaks out if a pen does not work. He definitely does not take responsibility for anything in his life.
I won’t be surprised if Will has a stroke or something in his 50’s. All this negativity, jealousy & rage is seriously unhealthy. Plus he drinks a lot.
I am 100% Team Harry and Meghan and think William is an unattractive donkey but, honestly, I don’t get why Meghan feels the need to use the HRH. They are brilliant on their own without the trappings of the clownish royal family.
I don’t get this (while totally respecting your opinion). It is her title, why isn’t she supposed to use it? This conversation doesn’t happen with any white members of the family, who never worked for the firm for one day of their lives, still have titles and put them on things they sell. Why shouldn’t the first biracial senior member of the family use her own title? Honestly if I was Meghan, I would put that on anywhere and watch the royalist to bring down monarchy just to prevent her from using it.
This became a discussion point, because the racists didn’t want Meghan or her children to have royal status. They aren’t ex-royals as some media write, they are royals by blood and have the right to use the royal titles.
I didn’t use to take that much notice, although I was glad when Harry fell for Meghan, but I think I really noticed how the mainstream media turned nasty when Meghan announce her pregnancy, the right wing press didn’t want an ethnic heir to the throne.
The media was nasty to Meghan from the time she was first seen with Harry. It was thought it was a “fling” and the spin was that “it would not last.” THen when the proposal came, the comments in DM wished divorce before they even got married.
@Ambel
Using it inadvertently challenges the social construct they created around hereditary monarchy. It also spotlights how the RF broke the Sandringham agreement with the Sussexes security and eviction from Frogmore Cottage. Let them take it from her if they don’t want her to have it. It would require them to change the rules across the board. Singling her out would expose their bias to the entire Commonwealth. She’ll be fine without (it’s just another thing to add to the list of what they have taken away) it but they will have to recon with the repercussions of that act. I remember Andrew used his public statement issued Sarah Ferguson’s social media post after he said he wouldn’t, yet they didn’t take it away from him.
They created social systems around the world (colonization) and whenever someone they don’t intend to be in the system enters the system under the existing rules, they look for ways to change the rules in order to exclude that person. It’s the western construct we all face in some form or other (classism, racism, sexism, etc.) Let’s see what big boy Willy does when he becomes king. His minions talk a lot but I want to see if he has the BDE when the time comes.
And if she didn’t use her title the press would attack her for that too. They would have said that she’s disrespecting the Queen for not using the title. Anyway, Meghan says she mainly goes by Meghan Sussex. That being said, I hope one day we will live in a whole where all monarchies are abolished.
It is a ridiculous way to choose a head of state.
“I don’t get why Meghan feels the need to use the HRH.” 😱 🙀 😱 — Meghan probably has boxes of these old preprinted social calling cards. They work perfectly to deliver a gift basket. My mother used to say, “Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.” IMHO, Meghan is just following the “use it up” and “make it do” mantra. And if we’re talking “NEED” — there was also no NEED for Meghan to bother making up a gift basket for a friend.
It does seem rather formal for a friend.
LOL, Kirk – that is brilliant.
Agree. Meghan is all about this. What I mean is, the calligraphy, the personalized stationary, the cute little icons, the nicknames. Personalized styling is her jam and it’s not new to her. She has calligraphy stitched sweatshirts of kids’ names from Etsy! She made Harry necklaces of the kids’ cardiograms! You better believe she has these cute little cards made up. And she is an HRH duchess. You better believe she’s making her cute little cards with her thoughtful gifts for her friends. And if William as king strips her of her HRH duchess, she’ll go out and make some super cute H and M initial Sussex styling with a family crest they create that will be cool af. Either way, she’s having fun with it.
Okay and then what? When is doesn’t destroy their marriage and they move on what is he going to cling on to? You go on and on in the press and your friends go on and on in the press and your brother hasn’t said a word about you in years. It’s sad. I don’t care about the HRH or titles, I think the monarchy is silly and embarrassingly outdated but as long as it’s there, the rules are the rules and when andrew’s daughters are non working and going around HRH and his ex wife is duchess and uses it to sell everything and anything, you can’t make a fuss about Meghan and her kids. He needs therapy, very sad man.
So is he going to remove it from all non-working royals. Beatrice, Eugenie and Andrew. Or is he going to target only Harry and Meghan. Plenty of HRH’s in that family use it to sale or flog stuff. Beatrice was recently flogging a friends baby stuff. How is he going to explain Andrew keeping his.
From what I understand the reason is pretty complicated in removing the HRH that’s why Charles left it alone. I predict he will try but will be shot down. You have to get a lot of people to go along with this. How many Labor people will go along with removing the first mixed race princess HRH without seeming racist to their constituents. It can’t be because I hate my brother and sister in-law I want to remove their HRH. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and point out to him how ill conceived this idea of his is.
The HRH means nothing. The King of Sweden removed the royal styling from all of his grandkids except the two belonging to the heir as they will be the “working” royal line. All of the other kids still have their duchy titles. It’s not a big deal for H&M, especially considering they aren’t trying to work for the family ever again.
I think it is a big deal, because the “decision” is made by a spiteful brother who wanted to break up Harry and Meghan’s marriage. Also it is rather off putting that an heir wants “vengeance” and will remove the titles.
Do it, don’t do it, just shut up about it.
So true. Willie reeks of “Pay of attention to mmeeeeeeee!” syndrome. I feel like someone needs to explain to him that whining is unappealing.
You know what is attractive, Willie? Emotional intelligence. Why don’t you invest some of your colonialist $$$ in self-actualization?
So basically the issue is that Willy & Waity’s trip is getting no attention so he throws a tantrum because Meghan’s surprise podcast interview is getting attention over multiple days. That man isn’t going to take anything from Meghan or Harry that will hurt them because they are more than just titles. Meghan doesn’t reference her title in her success podcast or her successful Netflix show; she’s just Meghan. Let’s be honest. That country does not want to cut ties with Meghan or Harry because they bring more attention to them that their own royal family. Willy needs a therapist.
William is so desperate to show he has some control over what the Sussexes do with their lives. He can no longer leak on them so he leaks to the press his absolutely unhinged feelings about them. Listen to the anger and violence of what he says. He loathes them, wants to strip them, etc. Guy can barely put in a couple hours work but he’ll spend days briefing about Harry and Meghan, sounding crazy.
How stupid and vindictive that makes the future king look. But as long as the British people want this kind of publicity for their royal family …..
“He loathes and despises Harry and Meghan with every bone in his body.”
Dude, get help.
I seriously believe that their is something wrong with him. The Queen didn’t react this way when her son Charles wrote his book about them. Harry book seems to pity them. Particularly him. He’s trapped in a gilded cage and there is no way out. I feel that this is were his anger is coming from towards Harry. Harry and Meghan are free and he can’t handle it.
Charles book (authorized biography) is rarely mentioned now. But it did create a lot of shock waves. The book is still in print and it was very scathing. His siblings complained about it (perhaps on behalf of their parents).
Hey William, I could call myself HRH if I want to, what are you going to do about it?
“Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the most popular prince of all?”
“My lord, you were the most popular prince in all the land when you had hair, but since then, another has surpassed you in popularity and stature.”
“NOOO! I must DESTROY him!”
That is everything the Windsor family stands for.
William claims Harry betrayed the family by pursuing commercial gain (I.e. financial independence), but the family’s plan for Harry and Meghan was: no funding for Meghan, no security for their children, and a lifetime of whipping up hate for the Sussex family in the media. How dare Harry betray the family by not accepting that fate?!?!
Willam should look into a face strip of some sort to get that mug of his to look less ashy and un moisturized and stop hating on Harry and Meghan because they have love in them for each other and other people and all he has is contempt and hatred and jealousy. He really is the most privileged man child ever .
My first thought is, ‘and then?’ What are you gonna do next Billie Boy?
The problem is that they themselves (the members of the royal family) without royal titles they mean nothing. They are nothing.
Harry and Meghan not only live a happy life that has nothing to do with titles, but they are already a COMPANY with a well-earned position. They have a job, a foundation, a family and a lot of money, and respect in the world.
They are invited by the states and the institution not because they are royal, but because they are popular, hard-working, bring publicity and effective actions.
William and other RF, they get NOTHING from it. Without titles and taxpayers’ money, they have nothing and no one would invite them. The whole family is dependent on what Charles gives them/does not give them.
They need to stop looking at HM through the prism of their incompetence.
This is so stupid and childish that it’s annoying that it’s something that’s regularly brought up by this man child and his tabloid henchmen. The fact that will never change no matter what this royal Butthead or any of the racist or easily manipulated think about Harry and Meghan, is that they will alway be Royal. Regardless if they have or use HRH, Royal, Sussex, Prince, Princess, Duke or Duchess, they are still royals. So this stupid conversation about what what he will or won’t do is pointless. No one cares about this besides those who are obsessed with trying to make Harry and Meghan pay for being better people. It’s not their fault that the others are all incompetent and lazy. It’s not their fault that they aren’t as attractive, charismatics, intelligent or accomplished as Harry and Meghan. But at the end of every day, Harry and Meghan are still royal regardless of what titles they have or don’t have. They will still continue to be in love with two beautiful and healthy children, so it doesn’t matter what royal Butthead does or says. I just hope that every misery he hopes for Harry, Meghan and their children is what he experiences himself. I hope every day he wakes up and the first image he has is of how much better his younger brother is and how extremely blessed he is to have Meghan and their children in California.
As I said in the other post about the HRH, the brf took Meghan’s name off of Archie’s birth certificate. Archie’s Mom is now listed as “Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Sussex”. Of course she’s going to use this in private.
Why does Harry get a pass here? I’m sure he uses HRH in his private life, too.
It must really anger the brf/bm that Meghan just ignores them, because they keep trying to get her attention. Sorry, not sorry, she’s just not that into you.
I would like to see Charles, in his waning years, secretly appoint a regent to take over from Willian, citing his mental health issues and total inability to take on the responsibilities of Head of State.
I will remind you that after this 20-minute meeting between Harry and his father, a copy of a document with the current date appeared in the media, which was – as they wrote – a clarification of the concept of “place of residence” of State Counsellors. The document emphasized that “place of residence” is “place of birth”. So Harry (and others) as a state counselor, regardless of where he lives, has Great Britain listed, and can act as a state counselor.
Regardless of what Charles himself does to HM, or is forced by William, it looks like this clarification of “place of residence” was made for Harry.
Notice that since then the media have stopped screaming about stripping him of this function, but they also do not remind about this document.
At this stage, Harry may not want to leave his family to act as Counsellor of State. He was evicted along with his wife and c hildren, from his UK residence.
Where is Willie? He is at What A Bitch getting a burger. You continue to publish my favorite picture of Side-Eye Willie. Who but a tittie-baby would make threats with power one does not have? And that someone else holds. And speaking of titles, Billie is making threats using a title he does not yet have, and is held by someone else. Against a woman who does rightfully have a title. I don’t know, I hope he never gets it. And everyone thinks he probably will, but nothing is certain in this world. Isn’t it bad juju to run around saying when I this and when I that?
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Will he ever understand that silly and childish schoolyard threats like this make him look exactly like the silly and childish overgrown toddler he is? Biggest loser ever. Ever.
He sounds like a child snitching on his sibling.
I am not sure the titles can be stripped arbitrarily by the King. I htink there might be a legal challenge to be made.
Honestly, I think it’s stupid that anyone is called Her Royal Highness or Your Majesty. Beyond stupid. But if the rest of the royal family can use it, Harry and Meghan can too.
Yeah, I just picture both of them, sitting on the living room couch in Montecito, receiving news of the title revocation; and with a shrug, saying, “Well, okay.”
I love this last line – “ HM will laugh and continue to enjoy their lives in California”.
I mean, yeah .. 😊
Just like any successful entrepreneurs, They’re prob busy thinking how they can grow and enhance their businesses, who cares about what’s happening over there. lol
Great column and terrific comments.
I’ve said this before, William reminds me of Trump in the petty, vengeful and thoughtless categories.
But, as other commenters have indicated, the words used to describe the PoW ‘s anger levels, which I take as an indirect way of quoting aides or the P himself, are windows into a mind that needs help.
The line about ruining the king’s final years was cheap, middle class soap opera, slimmed down dignity for a slimmed down monarchy.
That we’ve only recently observed God’s swift hand in punishing the hubris of anointed princes should give unshaven Willy pause.
If those HRH titles are ever taken away by King William the Incandescent, H&M should just sign off as “Formerly Known as HRH….”
“Formerly Known as HRH….” – is pure perfection 😂
No wonder he gets along with Trump. Petty, jealous, vindictive birds of a feather.
He will only move in vengeance and rage. Removing the titles of his brother and sister-in-law will be his first (and probably only) act as a king. What a loser.