In December 2023, there was a dramatic reveal in the years-long “security case” brought by Prince Harry in the UK. It turned out that, in 2020, Queen Elizabeth dictated a major cover-your-ass memo to Edward Young. QEII made her feelings abundantly and forcefully clear that she believed that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex should still have high-level protection whenever they visited the UK, regardless of whether they were in the country on state business or not. The coverage of QEII’s dictated letter was twisted by the British media into “See? We always wanted the Sussexes to have security, but it’s their own fault that they don’t!” Well, I bring up Elizabeth’s CYA memo because wouldn’t you know, the memory of the late queen is being invoked to shame Harry for… wanting security for his family and wanting to reconcile with his father. Weird!
Prince Harry’s words about his father’s cancer were in “poor taste” and his new outburst shows there is “nothing that can be trusted to remain private”, according to an exasperated response from some palace insiders. The comments to ITV News came within hours of Harry’s new TV interview which he gave after losing his Court of Appeal challenge over his security arrangements when he’s in the UK.
The official response from Buckingham Palace yesterday to Prince Harry’s latest claims was more measured, but you can still hear the deep sigh which was let out as it was written. But behind palace walls, there was more than just a collective eye roll. What many insiders actually thought about Harry’s interview was that he was, once again, further alienating his family and pushing back the already slim chances of reconciliation.
A royal source told ITV News: “For a son who claims to want a family reconciliation, it’s certainly a very curious way to build bridges or offer olive branches.”
Ever since private family conversations found their way into Prince Harry’s memoir, Spare, and onto the screens of Netflix when the Sussexes documented their acrimonious departure from the UK, Harry’s family have been very guarded about what they do – and more often don’t – say to him. So, when Harry spoke in his BBC interview about King Charles refusing to talk to his son because of this security dispute, the reaction in the palace, it seems, was one of contempt.
“As for their being no contact, well he has just proven why, yet again”, a royal insider said. “There is nothing that can be trusted to remain private.”
What then was the reaction to Harry’s comments about his father’s cancer and that he does “not know how long he has left”? This went down very badly in royal circles.
“The King is a kind man with a warm heart and quite enough on his plate to deal with, without all this from his own son”, said a royal source. “The remarks about his illness were in particularly poor taste and of course suggest something entirely contrary to the reality”.
Although King Charles has spoken about his cancer, and did so in the most personal way yet last Wednesday, Harry’s decision to talk about his father’s illness would have appalled Queen Elizabeth, claimed insiders.
“His beloved grandmother would have been truly horrified”, said one royal source.
There was also a cool response from Downing Street and the Home Office after Harry made the security issue political – which is highly unusual – blaming the last government for the decision and, alongside the palace involvement in it, Harry claims it was akin to “an establishment stitch up”.
Re: Downing Street, I’m actually curious about what, if anything, the Starmer government says or does on the record about Harry and/or Ravec. There was a controversy several years ago where Home Secretary Priti Patel had to apologize to King Charles for even daring to suggest that Prince Andrew’s security should be reviewed and increased. So… it’s not crazy to think that the Home Secretary might get involved in some way.
As for “Harry’s grandmother would be horrified” – lmao. The manipulation and lies are off the charts. My reaction to Harry’s “I don’t know how much longer he has left” comment was to chuckle – it was such a zinger, really, so concise and petty. The fact that Harry said earnestly is what sold it too – like, Harry really wants to reconcile with Charles before Charles kicks the royal bucket. But within that simple statement, Harry showed that he doesn’t believe the optimistic messaging on Charles’s health either. After all, the courtiers lied for several years about QEII’s health too. She would be horrified! Oh wait.
Anyway, the courtiers have run out of road – they don’t have anything else to remove, nothing else to hold over Harry’s head. There was no truce in place, and no communications between father and son. Harry spoke out because he had nothing left to lose, and these unnamed palace sources are left with nothing to say but “no chance for reconciliation now!”
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No chance for reconciliation now? No chance at all! A reconciliation would invite the Sussexes to visit – and to overshadow the petty, boring and/or lazy bunch. Don’t gonna happen!
The queen is dead. What she may, or may not have said, is irrelevant.
Harry never complained about the queen. His father is doing this nasty stuff. I doubt the queen was happy about how Charles slammed her through his tell all book.
Yes Harry was vocal about his love for his grandmother and she did want him protected no matter what. It’s shameful how they will try to use her now against Harry when she is dead and can’t speak for herself!! These idiots don’t see how really stupid they look trying to make Harry the bad guy when it is plain to see who the villains truly are and that’s Chuckles and Peg.
Harry now knows who puts him in harm’s way and will be releasing the truth as a measure of protection. He is done keeping secrets to protect the very people who wish him harm. #goharry #spare2 #lastking
So what have we learned:
– Royal family has way more power than they want the public to know
– royal family uses security and money to keep members in line
– royal family is a cult led by monarch and heir
– a lot of focus and energy is on making sure family members adhere to cult rules, above all else
– cults power tied to family itself, white british supremacy and purity and empire (memories of)
– charles is has tried to pull levers under his control without fingerprints (maybe impt to leave no fingerprints for public and his own family too)
– william is *murderously* jealous? Not smart or hinged enough to be subtle and hide fingerprints (but he tries)
– government and media way more beholden to royal family than (at least i realized)
– wales kids and other family members are trapped (and this is the one of the sadder things to hear Harry talk about
Feel sorry for Charlotte and Louis if they don’t want to be cutting ribbons, and as for George, he has no choice about his future.
Harry will become a twisted cautionary tale to them. “See what he did? You want to go that way you’ll never see us again. Do you want that? Do you really want to never see your brother again? How could you even think to be as horrible as him!”
George might be lucky. The Monarchy might be abolished before it’s his turn!
Britons are living in a veneer of democracy.
This is it. What Charles and William are doing is the same as orange man and NK. They just have a media covering it up for them.
The Home Secretary could have solved the security problem in an instant. It’s illegal in the uk for anyone to carry weapons unless they’re special unit police officers or unless they have permission from the Home Secretary. The HS could just have given permission for Harry’s private bodyguards to carry guns. Problem solved.
Only I don’t think it’s just about guns. It’s about blocking the ability for people to get up close to him. Police officers can do that while I’d imagine private security cannot to the same ability. It’s about having some sort of a motorcade or at least two police cars blocking others cars from getting close to his. Considering what happened to his mom that makes sense.
Harry also mentioned that access to intelligence relating to the threats is also what the RPO get.
That said the Home Secretary could probably do this but Charles has far more control over this than anyone wants to admit.
God they write some rubbish, bringing a dead person into this story is pathetic .
The Queen knew Charles was going to be a useless king , that’s why she hung around so long .
Anyway the press have been pushing William being King and trying to hurry Charles demise for ages , what’s the difference .
At least Harry doesn’t want his father to end.
They always mention QE2 for maximum damage control. They must be so pissed. 😂
Yes also always scrambling and Horrified how fast Harry moves. They have no time to enjoy their own lies. They can’t map or plot fallouts and include mapping for harrys transparency honor. they all can not comprehend.
Harry moves immediately to let real transparency and truth, self-imprison the plotters long term and in a way that doesn’t let the BRF lie or hide their violent history anymore.
5000 loud liars [more] plus bots, huge reach and 1 sabotaged person who knows his say publicly is a valuable resource in a media scape of manipulations. Speaks the truth after getting disclosures and expecting the process of court to hold Ravec accountable and most of the world goes, ya that rings true.
Let the tax payors now take this charge of no transparency fully to their own govt. Harry only asked his dad, the king, to let the professionals in RAVEC ” do their job as professionals without a monarchs and monarch in waitings manipulative interference. It’s the tax payors turn to carry the load. As also the current gov’t to look into this and make significant changes to stop acting like the monarchs lackeys to its own tax payors.
The media’s push for William to be king is similar to when the Queen thought it necessary to ask the leaders of the commonwealth countries to accept Charles as their next head of the Commonwealth countries around the time of Harry and Meghan’s wedding. It’s like they all know that Charles and William aren’t seen as adequate replacements of the Queen who was respected and around for decades.
Queen Elizabeth would be truly horrified by Charles, not Harry. She loved her children and grandchildren, Charles loves only Camilla
That’s it. Chuck wanted to slim down, QE2 LOVED a full balcony showing her extended family.
Cover your $@&#%•# Is exactly what that letter was. The security was removed while she was queen. Elizabeth looks like she was shaping how her legacy would LOOK, and not how it would FEEL for Harry to realize his family do not care for him.
The security was removed while the Queen was an elderly woman whose son was making decisions on her behalf. Charles made sure that her communications guy changed to someone who was willing to take his orders and control what she sees and knows. Harry and Meghan weren’t able to see the Queen without the media or other royals knowing because the Queen saw them and treated them differently than the others wanted her to. Harry and Meghan had constant Zoom talks with her and Phillip after they left. She was the only one able to reach Harry after Phillip’s death. She was the one who invited all of them to her Jubilee, gave them her security, their own procession at the church and met with both children, which Harry so poignantly spoke about in his book. She allowed them to keep Frogmore Cottage which was nearby where she lived most of the year. She’s the only one who made a point to make a request to the court that their security continue whenever they returned to the UK.
@Nerd, agree. As I understand it, Edward Young was BP’s rep to RAVEC at that time. Ostensibly TQ’s private secretary, he was actually 100% Charles’ man, and hated Meghan. Referred to in Spare (I think he was the Bee), and deeply involved in what went on at the Sandringham meeting. Rewarded for his service with a peerage and other “honors”.
As far as the security TQ was able to arrange for H&M at the Jubbly, given how she was being controlled/manipulated at the time, I was particularly surprised at that solo entrance to the church by H&M. To make that happen, in addition to providing adequate security, I wondered if TQ agreed to some quid pro quo with Charles, some concession with respect to her own appearances at the events, or something to do with Camilla. No longer remember the timeline of when things were occurring, when she supposedly gave her “blessing” to how Camilla would be styled in future.
How dare they put words into the late Queen’s mouth.
Lizzie removed security; then wrote a letter claiming Harry needed security. Showing she was polishing her own legacy till the end. She cared more about what people would say about her after her death, than she cared for the lives of Harry and his young family.
She didn’t remove security. It was Charles who removed it. Your argument that “her letter to the courts for them to receive security was an attempt to polish her own legacy” doesn’t make sense because the letter wasn’t revealed until years later after her death and only because Harry continued to fight in the courts for their security. Any attempt to use a letter to polish her legacy would have been revealed sooner and not by a court case that wasn’t guaranteed to happen or continue years later.
QEII didn’t remove security, Charles did. Because he was acting as Regent – QEII no longer had any real power. I suspect that is why she wrote the letter, so people would know it was Charles’ petty revenge at play.
Harry would have known if a regency was in play, yet he schedule to meet with her days before the eventual exit meeting. No announcement of a regency was ever made.
Charles said, DITTO.
Not saying these people know what a dead woman would think, but if QE would have been horrified that Harry is willing to fight for the truth and his family’s security, then who needs her. Was she horrified that H,M&A’s security was pulled and their lives endangered? Was she horrified when Charles and Will used Harry to sway public opinion in their and Cam’s favor? Was she horrified that Will was physically abusive or about Charles abusing servants? Or are those the right of the heirs. PH may think highly of granny still, but I’m not convinced she was any better than the rest.
This. She was old enough, and said so little, people viewed her as some kind of patriotic grandma. Chuck gets none of this goodwill, which was largely based on nothing at all except she was alive for so long.
Can anyone think of one thing QEII did that was an actual benefit to people? A tangible benefit?
Aww, an anonymous royal source is letting us know that Charles is absolutely definitely a kind man with a warm heart. Snort😂. If he was, then they wouldn’t feel the need to have random “insiders” telling us this. Show don’t tell, Charles. What a weak man he is.
It’s always the opposite with Chuck. Trust me, the anonymous source said, he’s a kind man! 😂
Saying someone is kind over and over does not make it so. Although I guess it is propaganda.
😂Yes, this ludicrous quote stood out to me as well, Jais:
““The King is a kind man with a warm heart and quite enough on his plate to deal with, without all this from his own son”, said a royal source. ”
Camzilla?
Yes this is just a clean up in aisle 9 because Harry spoke the truth. Kind man my ass!
So he can’t get on the phone and let them have security. What’s on his plate. He is as cold as ice.
Exactly. A kind man with a warm heart would have never removed security from an infant child and definitely wouldn’t have kicked them out of the only UK home they had. There was no rational reason to take Frogmore Cottage away from them. The only reason to do that was to punish them even if it could lead to the worst thing happening to them. Let us keep in mind that they didn’t speak about the treatment from the other royals until 2021, so the removal of security and Harry making it clear that security is the most important thing for them, shows that their actions weren’t based on things they said about the other royals but about not wanting them to be protected. Why would anyone want anyone in their family to not be protected, especially knowing about the very real threats against their lives?
Did ITV suggest that TQ would’ve been truly horrified by the exclusive interview H gave them to promote Spare? Or are they suggesting that the TQ would only be horrified by the interviews H gives to the BBC?
Anyway I’m glad H overlooked ITV (this time) because the hate they incite towards H&M (and their children) across all of their daily talk shows is “truly horrifying”.
I’m not sure even camilla believes it despite the fact that she might be the only one he’s shown any semblance of kindness.
Whoops meant this to @ML above.
But yeah @sure, the ITV morning shows are really nasty.
Charles burst into his mother’s sick room about Camilla s title. He is as cold as ice. The queen made sure harry and his family got security when they visited her.
The queen avoided confrontations. She ignored Diana s complaints and she knew that William and Charles treated the sussexes badly the queen should have put William in his place when he wanted to break up harry and meghan.
If Elizabeth had been stronger and healthier, this terrible behaviour towards the Sussexes would not have happened.
She would not have condoned what the palaces and the country did to him.
She was of course also full of colonialist opinions and actions as a child of her time, but she was a devout christian believer who would never have approved of these evil underhand moves against Prince Harry and his family.
If the King had condemned the racial abuse of Meghan and Archie in the right wing press relations between Harry and the King would be a lot better, but Meghan and Archie were hung out to dry by the Royals. The whole situation wasn’t helped by Meghan being so hard working and much better at the job than our future Queen.
Maja, in response to your comment, no, the Queen was certainly not “of course also full of colonialist opinions and actions as a child of her time.” That is a huge misconception. First: the queen went to Ghana when it first became independent and danced at a famous ball with Nkrumah, who was a black nationalist leader at the time, so far beyond the pale (no pun intended) in the mind of many in the US, where I’m from, that merely being in the same venue, representing two races, would have been completely taboo, and in some states, even unlawful. This was an episode dramatised in the Crown that — unlike much of the Crown — took place exactly as it is depicted. Elizabeth had actually had to cancel the Ghana visit one year before it actually took place and postpone it, because she was expecting Andrew at the time. Nkrumah said he was devastated because he was dying to host her. That’s how she was seen in newly independent colonies. When Margaret Thatcher upheld trade with apartheid South Africa, Elizabeth presided over one Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting where — in contrast to the state of play in the UK — *she* outranked the British Prime Minister, who was merely one head of one government. Elizabeth was the head of the Commonwealth. She made a point of rallying all the other heads of government to back a motion shaming South Africa for its continuing use of apartheid and effectively presented it to Thatcher as a fait accompli. She also authorised one of her closest aides to brief the Times to the effect that she personally found Thatcher’s policies — in South Africa but also in the UK — cruel, counterproductive, and narrowly ideological. This was unprecedented, and it is also dramatised — accurately — in the Crown. Not only that, also, quite stunningly, she seated Thatcher *next to* that aide, who fell on his sword and took completely responsibility for having briefed the Times about the unprecedented rift between the Queen and the Prime Minister. Elizabeth not only declined to sack him, she seated him *at her right hand* and seated the Prime Minister of the country *further* down the table, *past* her aide, who had just briefed the papers to devastating effect. Thatcher had to sit next to this man knowing the Queen was making the most public declaration possible — in the most humiliating way — that her loyalty lay with her own aide, and not the elected head of the country. *That* is pulling rank and she did it without batting an eye. It was utterly ruthless and totally effective. Sanctions against South Africa came into force and Thatcher’s party at home started to stir with suppressed indignation at her high-handed ways. The rest is literally history. Elizabeth was not racist, far from it. She was a lot more progressive than any elected leader of the country of her time. I’m not sugar coating it. She was a diamond.
Thank you for the information, there were some things I didn’t know. As for the dark side, for example, I remembered the Mau Mau uprising the year she became Queen, where the colonial power Britain brutally crushed the uprising. Many people were tortured and killed in camps.
There were and are also many looted treasures, e.g. Indian jewellery, booty of all kinds, which the colonial power appropriated and which will not return. The wealth of all former colonial powers and their monarchies was created with the blood of many non-white people. My point is that there is a side where the wrongs have not been righted, even by a pious woman like the Queen. But I also think she was an extraordinary person and a good person.
Maja, it’s not fair to say that the Queen was colonialist. There are so many examples of her behaving in a way that would suggest just the opposite. Her first journey outside of of the UK — after WWII — was to South Africa. It was her first and last voyage abroad with her parents and her sister before she married Philip. That was where she made her famous address to the Commonwealth. It was a powerful piece of rhetoric but she backed it up her whole life. When South Africa gained independence the next year — in order to implement apartheid — she made a point of making her objections known over the years. She was not constrained in her role as head of the commonwealth as she was in the UK as head of state. She maintained a correspondence with Nelson Mandela when he was in prison, and he was in fact the only person outside her family who was invited to call her Lilibet. When Thatcher refused to sanction South Africa — over apartheid — Elizabeth rallied the rest of the Commonwealth heads of government at a summit — at which she presided, as she outranked Thatcher, who was merely one head of one government — to pass a motion condemning apartheid. Thatcher was left isolated, and sanctions against South Africa came into effect some time later. She was not racist. I’m willing to bet the rest of her family is, to varying degrees. When she went to Ghana in the early sixties after it became independent, she attended a famous ball hosted by Nkrumah at which she danced with him to great acclaim, in a scene dramatised in the Crown. This is what actually happened and it broke a taboo, particularly in the US, where a dozen states still practiced segregation and it would have been quite literally likely to get them both thrown in jail. I mean. She was not colonial by any stretch of the imagination.
I have learned the hard way that, if “family love” requires you to keep secrets, stay silent in the face of neglect or mistreatment, and flatter the members in power, that ain’t a family.
I went no contact with a parent 5 years ago and I know it was the right call. I lost other family members for telling the truth and making them look bad. But I never had to deal with my family opening me up to terrorist attacks or engaging the international media as their flying monkeys. #TeamHarry all the way. Speak that truth!!
I especially liked when he referred to Archie and lily as Charles or whatever he called him grandchildren. It’s to remind those unhinged folks that yes, these two children are indeed part of that royal linage and deserve to be treated as such Least you want to forget that because their mother is half black and they live in California. And I will need someone to draw me a road map to chuck heart and kindness because I can’t find it no matter how I try because from where I am sitting, a kind man won’t put his son , his daughter in law and grandchildren in danger by taking away their safe space and removing their security
Yes to all you wrote @ over it.
Its not like Charles even funds THE RAVEC. Like it’s tax payors money. And as Harry points out, also meant to cover VIP protection. Harry and Meghan are definitely under a VIP’s umbrella
Charles and William have no problems using tax payors to fund everything they do. Charles or William pretending they give a toss about how they spend tax payors money is laughable and provably false. A clear clover up and weaponizing tax payors against harry and meghan. While falsifying information on actual costs and their pretending RAVEC is independent
Harry and Meg wouldn’t even be there living full time. Just visits and work. Maybe stay a few weeks at most at a time. The amount of cost is bizarre to belabour this long and this hard for the monarch and monarch in waiting. Like once Harry started to put his foot down and disagree vehemently the monarch and govt shouldve seen how this plays out and capitulated early on, saved face. The world’s biggest pie keeps getting bigger and it is all in the BRF and Gov’t face.
That’s why it’s so embarrassing for the monarch and the British government . The stupid and dangerous is plentiful with these gasbags and their pitiful weak excuses.
Meghan married a smart one.
The fact is nobody knows how much time Charles has. The Palace refuses to be open with the public. Charles doing weekly treatments for over a year is not a good sign and those who are offended are telling on themselves. The ITV article itself is sycophantic and exposes the Palace as unprofessional and bad at its job.
Yes it sounds as if they are just keeping him alive, not a cure.
With weekly treatments going on this long that is exactly what is happening.. he doesn’t have long imo.
See i didn’t even take this as a direct reference to the cancer. Setting aside the diagnosis for one moment, Charles is 76 yrs old and a quick Google says a male’s life expectancy in the uk is 78.8. I know the Windsor are generally reckoned to be a long lived lot but that’s not always the case. Really someone at his age, even in good health, could conceivably go at any time.
Their attempt to be angry at him for saying something that they themselves tried to use against them with Phillip and the Queen, is ironic. The constant attacks they got when they decided to spend Thanksgiving and Christmas away from the Queen and Phillip when Archie was an infant and the media thought it was fair game to attack him and his mother, shows that they twist the facts to fit their narratives. We’ve heard for years prior to their deaths that Harry and Meghan should or shouldn’t do various things, but Harry saying that there’s no telling how much time his father has left is somehow an attack of Charles and him having cancer, how is that an attack? It’s a fact, that everyday our time here is limited and instead of reconciliation with his youngest, biracial DIL and grandchildren, he’s still being the awful man he was when he mistreated and cheated on a young Diana.
“What many insiders actually thought about Harry’s interview was that he was, once again, further alienating his family…”
The family isn’t speaking to Harry. They don’t see each other. They do not spend time in the same countries or even the same hemisphere. It seems like the RF often plans events when they believe Harry and Meghan will be seen or when they do something relating to work or charity so as to something, something pull focus (as if they could!). I’m not sure you can further alienate anyone in this situation; the RF chooses to be alienated full stop.
Right? Further alienated? Ummm they haven’t spoke in over a year.
Good heavens, these people are spinning out.
What on earth did they think was going to happen when this ruling came down?
Did they think Harry was going to slink away into the California beach grass and hang his head in shame? Did they think he was finally going to realize that since they will never stop bullying him and threatening his beloved family, not to mention his own life, he should therefore knuckle under and just disappear?
They have entirely lost the plot.
The Royal Family has been revealed as galaxy-class grifters, utterly cruel and addicted to power and money above all. They have shown themselves to be not only uninterested in actual service to their subjects and realm, but incapable of recognizing what public duty and a life of service truly are.
It’s time the UK wrote a Constitution, defunded the hereditary Monarchy, removed the Church as any part of government, and made the Head of State an elected position.
Then they can elect Good King Harry to the post and hope he is willing to come home and straighten out the hideous mess his family have made with the incredible level of privilege the citizens of Britain have granted them for so long.
Thank you Kaiser for posting yesterday, I know it was supposed to be your day off and I appreciate it .
I second that.
Same. Thank you!
Hear hear!
This site is turning into the only sane platform after the institutional warfare conducted against the Sussexes. I was a long time reader before finally posting after the Guardian lost the plot. Britain has really lost its Fourth Estate to Murdoch et al.
A country that mourned Diana has no reason to turn on her most beloved son in this way. Only her enemies do.
Also, May the Fourth be with you.
Yes thank you kaiser. Much appreciated.
Also @ bloggger
… ” A country that mourned Diana has no reason to turn on her most beloved son in this way. Only her enemies do.”
What a Poignant, saliant and powerful sentence
This is never, not ever was, tax payors fault. Charles and William Stop weaponizing everyone, tax payors and every institution. You 2 are always trying to hide in plain sight. Worst hide and seekers EVER
I agree, Kaiser deserves thanks for writing those posts.
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It’s not like she couldn’t have watched 🎾 instead.
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I caught the rerun of the Madrid women’s final yesterday, I’m fine!
Yes, many thanks Kaiser!
Absolutely. Thank you very much!
Same!
I see. It’s poor taste for Harry to comment on Charles’ health. But it’s not poor taste for William to have spent the last year ignoring Charles and going on about all the things he’ll change when he becomes king.
And to offer so little help with his public engagements.
And to brief how weak and feeble Charles is about the Sussexes. That’s apparently normal and statesmanlike /s
I would say I think the Queen would have behaved more compassionately towards him. But then if all the stuff with Diana was allowed to happen – who knows.
In the end it doesn’t matter. If you take a step back and look at all this mess the way following generations will, Charles will be a failed and forgotten king of a United Kingdom people want to pretend is still here for his sake but that doesn’t exist anymore. Nor will he be known for being a successful husband or father.
It’s a testament to the character of Edward VII that he was able to fashion the decade of his reign as something separate from his mother’s. Charles doesn’t have that skill or opportunity and won’t make the most of the opportunities available.
William will not set anything on fire as king because he doesn’t want to be king and in this day and age, he knows there’s no reason to STAY king if he doesn’t want to be since it’s irrelevant, but he will because he’s trapped, by older courtiers and others who are desperate for the power structure to remain in place so they can keep being powerful.
In any case the last “magic” of the monarchy, in PR terms, left with Elizabeth. And Harry and Meghan have thankfully found their home elsewhere.
Where does that leave George? A means for the Middletons to continue their grifting?
It’s a massive downgrade from their classist POV
QE2 married a Prince
Chuck married an Earl’s daughter
Willy married a social climbing flight attendant’s daughter
George can elevate them to the aristocracy I suppose. Titles are the only things that matter to these people.
Charles and William better hope nothing happens to Harry or his family because the international fallout will be 10 times worse than it was when Diana was killed. This time, it’s on the record that the RF has denied security to a member of the family as an act of control and vindictiveness. If Harry or anyone in his family is harmed, they won’t be able to say, “We offered him security, but he declined it.”
Honestly, I’m more worried about William’s poor children. George never looks happy, Louis is clearly being setup to be the “bad boy” they use as a distraction and the family scapegoat to protect George, and poor Charlotte is already being groomed to become the “secret weapon” work horse. I see no way out for any of those children. They were born into a gilded cage with knives for bars.
It’s also on the record how full of hatred and bile their father is. There will be no question of what will happen to Charlotte and Louis if they earn the anger of their father, the precedent has been set.
I’ll be curious if Harry writes the home office and they respond, will he then speak publicly about their response? That’s the one remaining loose end he mentioned in his interview.
Harry must know all of William’s dirty laundry. Will he ever use it to get security? When William is king what would stop Harry from revealing the things that would “make your eyes bleed”. What’s stopping him now?
I’m sure a Murdoch rat will disclose it. Nothing is sacred or kept secret when it’s related to Harry.
But look, if this brings more scrutiny to the cloak and dagger secrecy of RAVEC, why not. I do think from a procedural POV, the R needs to be excised so there’s a separate committee for the Royals (Windsors and overseas Royal visitors) and VIP. That would allow more clarity and if the Royal Household wants to exercise total influence over visiting royals as members of that committee, why not. Harry can then “downgrade” to VIP and get his RMB done properly.
As is, RAVEC currently is acting above the law, above scrutiny with no accountability. It’s like a room full of grey men exercising their personal vendetta acting as if they were God. And a committee without accountability is never, ever a good idea. RAVEC seems to be an odd body for the Home Office to deal with, and who rubber stamps their decision. Guidelines need to be clearer and RMBs need to be reviewed at least every couple of years.
Having RAVEC used as a vendetta vehicle by the current monarch is bad optics.
I think QE2 would have been horrified by how Harry and family have been treated, their security threatened, as she clearly ensured they had security when they visited —
Oh. Not security at all but how Harry wanted to see his father with cancer? But William’s “Charles is weak and feeble and I’ll be a ruthless king soon” is AOK. These people.
I don’t know if she’d be surprised at what Charles and William are doing, but I imagine she’d be disappointed. In the end, it’s probably good that Harry and Meghan didn’t get the half-in/half-out, because if how they execute control over the only thing they have left, the Sussex security, is anything to go by, if Charles/William had any control over their working lives, it would have been horrific.
I’m beginning to wonder what other European royal families think of the way the British RF is treating Harry and his family. It’s an incredible story that calls them all into question.
https://feminegra.com/camilla-and-kate-got-security-meghan-got-death-threats-but-the-media-only-cares-about-prince-harrys-reconciliation/
The full extent of the extortion of justice and unfairness is still not known. Very slowly it is trickling into the light.
There were really that awful threats against them, i never read about that, did they hide those too?
It’s difficult for me to see anyone as having a warm heart who expelled his son, DIL, and grandchildren from their home–that QE2 gave them.
Yep! Nothing says warm hearted than that. /s/
If this stalemate continues, how is Harry to be protected when Invictus is held in Birmingham? How can masses of crowds be adequately monitored so some crazy Al Queda hit man doesn’t show up with a high-powered, long-range rifle? With the fail of his latest legal battle, it means that Harry will have a huge bullseye on his back without adequate, armed security. How would his protection people be able to get any information on relevant threats because it’s withheld from foreign security? Given this turn of events, it’s highly unlikely that Meghan and the kids would show up. It’s just too much of a risk.
I imagine it will be like any major international event at which celebrities are present. The host country provides security and Harry will add his own security on top of that.
The palace is panicking. Harry once again told the truth and that’s forbidden, so they’re bringing out the big guns — QEII.
And painting Charles as kind is hilarious. He’s a self-absorbed prick.
Also, Kaiser rocks.