
Lily Allen and David Harbour confirmed that they were getting divorced in early February after four years of marriage. Most of what’s come out in the press has been from Lily’s side, and it’s felt acrimonious. Lily was also pretty emotional while talking about their break up on her “Miss Me?” podcast. It felt like it was be messy, especially when we learned about David’s new girlfriend a few weeks later.
Lily and David’s breakup was even messier than we could have imagined, and Lily may have gotten the last laugh. On Friday, she dropped her first new album in seven years and it’s a doozy. In terms of truth bombs, think of it as Fiona Apple’s When the Pawn… meeting with The Chicks’ Gaslighter and Taylor Swift’s The Tortured Poets Department. She reveals so much about their tumultuous relationship, including that while it was open, David still cheated on her while gaslighting her. Lily did a recent interview with The Times, where she spoke about the meaning of her lyrics.
I ask about some specifics in the album. In the song Tennis Allen describes spotting a message ping on her husband’s phone from another woman, called Madeline. Who is she? “A fictional character.” Is she a construct of others? “Yes.” Another song’s lyrics, which raise plenty of questions go: “We had an arrangement/ Be discreet and don’t be blatant/ It had to be with strangers.” Which suggests to me an unconventional marriage that allows flings, so long as they are within certain parameters.
“I just feel we are living in really interesting times — in terms of how we define intimacy and monogamy, people being disposable or not,” Allen says. “The way we are being intimate with each other is changing as humans … Lots of young women are not finding the idea of marriage or even a long-term relationship that attractive any more.”
But is that such a bad thing? At least there will be far fewer people stuck in loveless relationships. “Oh, I don’t know [that] it’s necessarily bad,” says Allen, whose own parents, the actor Keith Allen and the producer Alison Owen, divorced when she was four. “Lots of people from my parents’ generation stayed together for ever and were miserable. You didn’t have endless choice so you may have worked at something harder. But now you don’t have to…”
Early on in West End Girl she says she wants to “lay my truth on the table”. So, with lyrics about subjects ranging from cheating to vasectomies, is it all true? “I don’t think I could say it’s all true — I have artistic licence,” Allen says, cautiously. “But yes, there are definitely things I experienced within my relationship that have ended up on this album.”
Has Harbour heard it? “I don’t know if I can answer that,” she says, quietly. What about her children? “I don’t know if I can answer that,” she says, laughing. That proves to be the very last subject, whether for reasons legal or personal, that is off the table.
The record starts off happily. “Yes, for about 44 seconds,” Allen says, laughing. It paints the initially optimistic picture of a woman who moves to New York with her two kids to live with her wonderful new husband in a lush brownstone in Brooklyn. She is offered a play in London, but the husband’s not keen. He gaslights her and is unsupportive. By the time the first song — also called West End Girl — finishes, there are tearful phone calls. Soon the sex stops, and by song four, Tennis, he seems to be having an affair. “Who the f*** is Madeline?” his wife asks. By the seventh song, the Jilly Cooperesque Pussy Palace, their marriage is detritus as the wife finds a plastic bag, “with the handles tied, sex toys, butt plugs, lube inside” at the husband’s secret apartment. Other songs — Relapse, Nonmonogamummy, Beg for Me — continue the extraordinary, explicit narrative.
A lot of the lyrics are dark. “That’s an understatement. I’ve had a tough year, for sure.” Yet by blending those words with her innate knack for big choruses, plus her love for early-2000s UK garage, nothing sounds depressing. “I hide in music,” she says. “It is the musical version of what I do in my life.”
I listened to the entire album on Saturday and if even half of what Lily alleges is true… then, yikes. Her side of the story is that David pressured her into an open relationship and she complied because she loved him and wanted to keep him happy. The terms were that his dilliances would basically be one-night stands with no feelings involved. Lily’s issues started when he fell for this “Madeline” chick.
I went down the rabbithole on both of them. It’s easy to write this off as two terrible people being terrible to each other, which is totally fair. Assuming that everything Lily alleges in the album is true, then again… yikes. If it can help even one woman recognize that they are in a bad relationship, then it’s good that Lily got her story out there. I feel bad for Lily’s daughters in this whole mess. One of the songs muses about how Lily wants to protect David by telling them that the divorce was “mutual” but they’re both teenagers. If they didn’t know before, they’re going to know now.
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All I got is yuck. I don’t understand the concept of open marriage. In my mind why bother with marriage if you’re going to f**k around? Guess I’m old school.
Yikes! Never piss off a musician that has a public profile in the love department. They will always get the final say through their songs!
Lily Allen has always been messy and I’ve never been a huge fan of hers. I thought she and David were the most random couple when they first got together and never understood what they had in common. I think who I feel sorry for most is her daughters. She uprooted them from the UK to go live in the US with their new stepfather, far away from their own dad and for what?
David is clearly no angel either but seriously don’t get married if you want an open relationship. Open relationships rarely ever work long term and people almost always end up hurt.
I liked the album. It speaks to stuff that women are dealing with and have always dealt with. She doesn’t describe them as having ethical non monogamy. According to the album, he did what a lot of men have always done when they want to cheat with the difference being that he told her that he would be sleeping with other women. Ethical non monogamy is supposed to be about communication, and no one has other sexual relationships without rules and boundaries first, but, critically, both spouses have to want it or it doesn’t happen. Based on the album, so had no interest in it and was essentially coerced after moving her children to NYC. Her experience is being repeated by a bunch of couples over 40-50 right now. Lots of people are negotiating this. A lot of them are divorcing. I am grateful to have my amazing husband.
I feel for Lily, and I feel for
David Harbour. He has been open about having Bipolar schizophrenia, so, while he may be a successful actor, he may not have the impulse control to marry and may never have it. I have a relative with a similar diagnosis who has a lot of impulse control issues and who is also charming and intelligent, but I’ve seen how they treat people and how their lack of control causes chaos in the lives of everyone near. Some people who have mental illness agree to stay on treatment and don’t disregard the feelings of others, but many struggle.
“I went down the rabbithole on both of them. It’s easy to write this off as two terrible people being terrible to each other, which is totally fair.”
That’s how I feel. All that shit Lily talked about Beyonce and her country album and then turning around and recording a country album of her own. The way she treated her best friend & podcast partner over a man her friend liked.
She’s an assh*le but David? Basically wishing for her failure is just nasty cruel patriarchy bullshit. Treating your partner within the union you both committed to is so shameful.
Would you mind sharing what “the way she treated her best friend” is about? I’m not familiar with it (but I’ve never really followed Lily Allen).
What Lily and her podcast friend said about Beyoncé was racist. I mean, Jolene wasn’t my favorite song on the album, but damn!
Im pretty sure their relationship started before the one he had was officially ended-so not sure what she expected. Messy messy messy but when you started out messy then what can you do. Plenty of inspiration for her music I guess
But hasn’t she already said on record this isn’t all “true”? Like it’s a fictionalized retelling. So, yeah, as well all know, they didn’t have a good marriage and he acted badly, but I don’t think we should be taking this album as a beat-by-beat retelling. It’s art, not fact.
Hopefully the album is helping Lilly get better. The situation is just depressing. Like @Christina wrote above, it’s not that uncommon.
She married a dude she barely knew for a year and willingly went into an open marriage. Not exactly sure why she’s so shocked.
The long gray beard would have been a red flag for me, instinctively.