Drew Barrymore’s wedding photos take two People Mag covers: lovely?

As we discussed over the weekend, Drew Barrymore and Will Kopelman just got married on Drew’s Montecito property, and they sold their exclusive wedding photos to People Magazine. I mean, I’m assuming it’s “sold” and not “given”. Although Drew doesn’t need the money and Will’s family is rich (he’s like the American Ned RockNRoll), I suspect there was a sale and it was more about exclusivity than profit. People Mag did two covers for Drew – one solo, and one with her new husband touching her baby bump.

Any thoughts on what we can see of Drew’s Chanel maternity wedding gown? It’s… um… conservative. I’m assuming the wedding service was traditional Jewish (a rabbi performed the marriage), which traditionally means the bride should be more “covered up” than, say, a Baptist wedding. I don’t have an issue with Drew being covered up. I do have an issue with that funky collar though.

Dear friends, close family and a flower-embroidered Chanel gown designed by Karl Lagerfeld himself – no wonder Drew Barrymore is a beaming bride.

“The day was perfect,” Barrymore, 37, told PEOPLE the day after tying the knot with art consultant Will Kopelman. “Everyone we love and care about was there. It was as fun and meaningful as we ever could have hoped.”

For the June 2 ceremony at her $5.7 million Montecito, Calif., home, the expectant actress and Kopelman “just wanted a backyard wedding,” says event planner Yifat Oren.

Oren and co-event planner Stefanie Cove delivered a “vintage romantic”-themed fete, creating what Oren called an “ethereal” feel for the wedding party and guests Reese Witherspoon, Cameron Diaz, Jimmy Fallon and Busy Philipps.

The decorations for the traditional Jewish ceremony included vintage lace, pink flowers and green garlands.

For much more about the wedding, including the A-list guests, the emotional ceremony and the reception catered by famous chefs – plus photos! – pick up this week’s issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands Friday.

[From People Magazine]

Kopelman “just wanted a backyard wedding.” Hm. He comes from money, he knocked her up and maybe his family pushed him into marrying her and she converted – and after all of that, he just wanted a backyard wedding? I don’t know. I’m not raising the “Code Red: Drew Picked Another Loser” alert yet, but I do have my doubts as to whether this will be a good match in the long run. We’ll see. I do enjoy the bridal whitewashing of Drew, though. Like this is her first marriage. Or her second.

Covers courtesy of People Magazine.

 

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  1. Jenna says:

    Don’t like the wedding dress. And on that first photo, she looks like she’s subtly trying to smell her finger.

    But the best of happiness to them both. :D

    • kristiner says:

      LMAO! It does! Her pointer finger is away from the rest and under her nose. Bad picture!

      I don’t know about these two. It all seems so unDrew. She’s so free-spirited yet she was all of a sudden dating this ultra Jewish guy? You know from the get go if a person would marry you shotgun and make you convert if you get knocked up. I don’t see how they mixed together.

      This is like a movie role and not Drew at all. Maybe this was her plan. She’s dating a lot and for many years and knows how BC works. But at almost 40 maybe she singled out this ultra conservative guy (not too ultra conservative religious to be knocking her up out of wedlock though!) to settle down with and have a kid.

      She knows she’s a free-spirit but for having a kid she wanted everything cookie cutter and not be a typical celebrity and not be married.

      Her husband does look like Jessica Simpson’s K-Fed Eric Johnson though.

    • tripmom says:

      I agree. That gown is THE PITS. Kate Middleton’s dress was covered up and conservative, but it was still beautiful. And they make really nice maternity clothes now, so that’s no excuse either. The gown is just awful.

  2. Lindy says:

    Sorry, I do not like this dude. I think it’s a red flag when any partner makes conversion a condition of marriage. If it’s that important to marry someone of your faith, then date people who are of your faith.

    Also, I think she should have stayed with Justin Long. They seemed to be a great match, and she seemed really happy and creative when she was with him.

    • Happymom says:

      How do we know that he “made” her convert??

      • lucy2 says:

        We certainly don’t. At all.

      • Lindy says:

        I mean, I’m sure he didn’t hold a gun to her head. And I’m sure she would say that it was her choice–which, fine.

        But I also think that it’s not completely straightforward to have a serious relationship with someone when you KNOW you will not marry that person unless that person converts to your religious faith. (And it’s not wise to date someone if you know that person will only marry you if you convert). After you’ve dated seriously for a bit, I imagine it becomes difficult to think about breaking up on account of religious differences. If it’s that important to him, he should stick to women who share his faith.

      • olcranky says:

        do we even know that she converted? Most reform rabbis will marry a couple if one of them isn’t Jewish (if you’re conservative and it’s an interfaith wedding, you can usually get a Cantor to officiate since the rabbi won’t; orthodox don’t generally intermarry but I don’t think Koppleman is orthodox)

    • EmmaStoneWannabe says:

      Have to say that I really did like she and Justin together.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Again, I believe the conversion was done with regard to the child. If the child’s mother is not Jewish, the child is not considered Jewish either, as the child comes from the mother’s body.

      • OriginalTiffany says:

        Yep. I dated a Jewish guy for 4 years in high school. His mom was dying.
        Both brothers went on to marry Non-Jewish girls much to her dismay.

        OTOH, I’m gone for a week and how many pages do I need to cover?

      • Madchen says:

        Does the mother have to convert before the baby’s born? Or can they retroactively declare the child Jewish if the mother converts? Just wondering.

      • the original bellaluna says:

        OTiff – Lots and LOTS of pages! How did it go? As smoothly as possible, I hope.

        Madchen, I think it has to be before the baby is born. Otherwise the child, even if raised in the Jewish faith, will not be considered unless he/she converts.

      • olcranky says:

        @Madchen: if the mother doesn’t convert, the infant can go through conversion and take mikvah with the father; if the mother converts after having they baby, they usually perform a joint conversion ceremony. they also do conversion ceremonies for adopted infants/children (unless it is know that the birth mother was Jewish)

    • Deb says:

      Lindy, how do you know he forced her to convert? I married a man who is Jewish. The decision to convert was my own. I have never regreted it and we have been married almost 30 years. You make it sound like something disgusting that he forced her to do. She looks very happy to me and in fact, I saw her on a talk show not too long ago where she discussed how much she loved his family and how wonderful they have been to her. For someone who had such a turbulent and difficult childhood that she did, it may be that her new husband, his family, religion, etc. have brought her something she had been looking for in life. I, for one, wish her much happiness. I wish we could try and be happy sometimes for people, especially on their wedding day, rather than criticizing everything and to top it off predicting how long the marriage will last.

      • Lindy says:

        Please look at the language I [very deliberately] used: I think it’s a red flag when any person makes religious conversion a condition for marriage. I never accused him of forcing her to convert, nor did I ever claim that she shouldn’t have done that if she wished to.

        Look, I’m a scholar of religion, and deal with these issues on a daily basis (as well as having navigated similar issues in my own personal life). I continue to maintain that, while it may work out, in most cases there are cultural and personal pressures and tensions that come into play. Often these things are not apparent in the early stages of dating, or even right away in marriage. It’s exactly why I think that, if personal faith and participation in a particular religious tradition are extremely important, then you should probably stick with potential partners who share those things with you.

        Also, I have a read a few interviews of Drew’s in which she talks about spirituality, and I think it’s fair to at least raise the question of how seriously/how thoroughly she has explored what it really means to enter this particular faith tradition.

        Also, I haven’t said a word about how long I think this will or won’t last.

      • mzthirtyeight says:

        Well, as a “scholar” (do you mean a theologian, or simply someone who took a lot of breadth in deciphering their spiritual identity?), you should know that for virtually everyone who pursues deciphering their own ideals, it is a highly personal thing. I think I see your point, and sure-you could be right-but it seems a bit presumptuous. It is/was her own journey, and particularly with someone like Drew(or as she presents herself), I sincerely doubt she would give in to demands, pressure, etc. in this specific area. Man, I suck at articulating!! And also, if that came off as wenchy, that was NOT MY INTENT, Lindy.

    • fancyamazon says:

      Well, I think it probably was no secret that he is serious about his faith. I’m sure no one entered into this blindfolded, and Drew certainly is not the type to be led in her own beliefs or manipulated.

      • Esmom says:

        I can understand the skepticism about the true motivations behind her conversion. I worked with a woman who converted to Judaism before her marriage and I could see that it was just an item on her “checklist” of things she needed to do to land her man/ring. Not a true spiritual journey in any way. It seemed so shallow to me.

        And then surprise, when she dumped him and married another guy on the rebound, she dumped the Jewish faith instantly, too.

    • riri says:

      I never liked her with Justin Long.

      I felt as if he was using her in order to create career and PR opportunities for himself, and as if she on her own wasn’t someone he was really interested in, while in reality, I think she is 10 times better than him as a person.

      He always gave me a vibe of very self centered and unable to really love someone else.

      I’m glad she is out of a relationship that wasn’t really good for her, stable or satisfying.

      I’m so happy she found such a handsome guy to be her partner in creating such a beautiful family.

      As for the conversion discussion. I think this is very mature and the right thing to do, to agree and understand how the parents to be want to raise their family and to be on the same page BEFORE the children are born.

      There is no point to find out AFTER the child is born that the parents have completely different views on how to raise the child and the tradition that will be introduced to the child.

      Drew is an adult that is opinionated, and able to make her own decision as to what is good for her and her childern, and if that is what she chose, then good for her and I wish her nothing but happiness.

    • Michelle says:

      How do you know he didn’t tell her on the first date? My husband did. He made it clear from day 1 that it was important to him to marry in the Catholic faith. I wasn’t Catholic, but I was open to possibilities and eventually I converted. It was always out there and it was my choice.

    • Lindy says:

      Ack, sorry, Kaiser–didn’t mean to create a sh!tstorm!

      So, FWIW, I have always liked Drew Barrymore, and wish her the absolute best, and hope this time around sticks. I was merely expressing my reservations about the religion situation, and of course we don’t know anything about how the conversations went down. But then, none of us know anything firsthand about ANY of the stuff we come here to gossip about. It’s just fun to be gossipy about celebs. That’s all.

      And by the way, when I say “scholar” I mean professor at a major research university. With an AB in religion, MA in philosophy of religion, and a PhD in systematic theology, specializing in gender and inter-religious dialogue. And have worked for a religious organization that deals with providing counseling for inter-faith couples whose marriage is in trouble because they are arguing about religion-related stuff. “Scholar” does not mean hippie-dippy “I found myself in my spiritual journey” person. Sorry if I ruffled feathers, mea culpa. If you need my academic CV in order to verify my right to make a gossipy comment on the interwebs, post your email address and I’ll send it your way. Cool? Cool.

    • ZenB!tch says:

      Lindy – I was in that situation – the guy’s MOTHER wanted him to marry a Jewish girl.

      I am a non-religious Catholic/Protestant or else I would never have been dating a non-Christian. He suddenly wanted me to convert? Oh hell to da no.

      Being non-religious is important to me, to me Christmas and Hanukkah and Passover are about traditions and getting family and friends together.

      I have Jewish ancestry on my father’s side. I have no problem with the Jewish faith. I include it in the holiday celebrations. I have a problem with being asked to choose a faith and the implication that his faith is more important than mine.

      Being only culturally religious is important to me, just like being Jewish or Catholic or Baptist is important to some of my friends.

      If he knew he had to marry a Jewish woman why didn’t he date one. This is LA, Jewish women are not scarce. I dated him because he was not religious. Geesh!

  3. Happymom says:

    Unless the couple is Orthodox, the bride can pretty much wear whatever she wants. And I’m guessing that Drew’s Montecito estate is not exactly “the backyard” that the rest of us have.

  4. michkabibbles says:

    whats amazing to me is that miley cirus looks at least 10 years older than drew barrymore. her makeup is so harsh here.

  5. brin says:

    Maybe she considers this her first “real” wedding. Congrats to them. Hope this one lasts longer than the others. I also do not like that collar.

  6. cmc says:

    I actually really like it. I’d never wear something like that, but it’s Drew Barrymore- I’d expect her to have a funky and weird dress. And she looks so happy! Good for them.

    Also, it’s kind of funny that Miley’s exclusive engagement announcement is in the corner. I would have expected that to take the cover.

  7. dorothy says:

    Beautiful cover photo. She deserves happiness. Congrats to both.

  8. Erandyn says:

    What a horrible dress. Is it Amish?

  9. MoonDoggie says:

    This will end in divorce within a year.

  10. Flea says:

    I always pictured her having a backyard wedding or maybe a barefoot on the beach casual wedding anyway. Just seems to be her style more than an elaborate and expensive shindig. After a first wedding I don’t see the purpose of multiple elaborate affairs really. Just glad she’s marrying her baby’s father!

    I wish I had skipped the wedding part of my first marriage because we didn’t even make it a year. My second marriage, we went to the j.p., had breakfast at IHOP after & then he went to work and I went back to bed…and we’re going on 8 years. Weddings are just not a signifier of marriage longevity anymore (not sure if they ever were).

    Drew looks beautiful & ecstatic!

    • KK says:

      @flea – LOL we went to the local diner for pancakes after we eloped 6 months before the “real” wedding (which we almost called off). Only reason we had the wedding was so families could get together and my hubby really wanted presents ;)

      • Green_Eyes says:

        KK totally in agreement. First marriage lasted 8 yrs after dating for 5 (8 very rocky yrs). We had a huge ceremonious Catholic wedding. Within 1st yr signs were there but tried to tough it out. I wish I knew then what I know now! Lol I have been married to a wonderful man for almost 17 yrs, together for almost 18. We wanted a small outdoor wedding at the beach since we live by a Lake. His mom was helping me plan it. But I wound up in the hospital sooner than thought and was in there for 2 months, came home I thought for good, but was going to have to go back in the hospital so hubby called his cousin (a minister) our families that lived here and told them to be at the house that Friday as I was going back in the hospital that Monday. (he was moving me in as I was staying w/ his mom since she did not work and could be there for me in the daytime if I needed help I had tubes coming from everywhere), had an appt that Friday morning and they were going to readmit me then, but let me go home to get married and hubby took me back to hospital the next morning which I stayed in for another month (lol was released the date we were to have had our planned ceremony..ironic). But for all the shortness of our wedding and hospital honeymoon… Gotta say this marriage we don’t fight, he has never just left meat a hospital, I come before his pals, and it goes the same way for me. (lol, but in all fairness I have to say he knew me but I didn’t know him when we met..he knew I was “the one” when he saw me for the first time after moving back here a few yrs after his divorce. Took him a while to get decide to push his luck & ask me out, which I think is funny as I remember seeing him around & thought player cuz ladies were always flirting w/ him the few times I saw him.. He decided time was not right when he overheard me talking to a family member about my new engagement ring..but he knew fate was on his side smart aleck was right lol 10 yrs later I’m single and he was being so kind to my mom when I accidentally ran into him @ work. How can one say no to coffee when it turns out this is one of her favorite customers and she thinks it’s rude for us not to accept (lol & my parents still think he’s their son, I married into my family) lol… So anyway, yes weddings make me nostalgic cuz I have no clue where the last 17 yrs went, they were fast…. But a lot of people thought I was on the rebound and thought he was crazy for marrying me when I was sick (peeps can be jerks… Nice to hear your spouse being told she’s hot but not worth the medical bills wth?) guess he thought so… Who knows this might be Drew’s “right one”:). I wish them happiness:).

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Our wedding (2nd for both of us) was barefoot on the beach where we had our first date, in a sexy wedding gown, with a few close friends & family.

  11. corny says:

    I think that dress makes her look pregnant

  12. DanaG says:

    The dress is ugly. It is her third wedding and she is several months pregnant and she still wore white so how traditional can they be? It’s a bit late for Drew to become a shy little wallflower.

  13. Louise says:

    Doesn’t it say they both wanted a backyard wedding? That does seem like her kind of thing, really.

  14. marie says:

    Well, look at that-wedding pictures and it seems he’s confirming the pregnancy (not that we didn’t already know) in the same picture. Ehh, I don’t think he’s that attractive..

    But look at the hair on J.R.’s baby, he looks like a proud papa..

  15. lucy2 says:

    Drew looks great, but I don’t care for the dress. The bouquet is gorgeous though, looks like peonies.

    I don’t get the cynicism towards this guy – he’s not out there publicly cashing in on her fame and fortune at all, they seem very low key, and I’ve never heard either of them discuss their relationship at all.
    I’m also guessing Drew has matured a lot since her previous marriages, and is choosing to have a family with this guy, so just let them be happy.

  16. Jackie says:

    i think most people are ‘meh’ on this one. it doesn’t strike as being life long.

    it seems like she just wants to try the traditional marriage & child thing. getting older, some/most women want to at least try it.

  17. Andrea says:

    “This will end in divorce within a year.” Ouch. Really? I’m not so sure. Yes, she does have two failed marriages behind her, but the last one was ten year’s ago. She’s hardly Liz Taylor. She’s 38 year’s old. I think she’s grown up and matured. She comes from a weathly family and she’s marrying into a weathly family, it might just work. Remember, she also have a baby on the way, all the mores reason to stay married!! Love the dress!

  18. Katia says:

    Wow. I cannot imagine wearing that in LA in may. It looks good though!

  19. Belle says:

    I think she looks beautiful! Don’t love the collar, but somehow it works. The dress does look kind of ‘vintage-romantic’. Has anyone seen a photo of the full dress?

    I think it is funny when people say a celebrity ‘was so much better’ or ‘seemed happier’ with someone they used to date. I liked Drew with Justin Long as well, but obviously things didn’t work out with them for some reason. For all we know, their quirky, fun connection may not have evolved into anything more mature than that.

    Drew seems happy to me, and I don’t really see any red flags with her new man. The article says they BOTH wanted a backyard wedding… which could mean anything. Maybe he is a typical guy and wasn’t that worried about the wedding details, and Drew wanted the backyard wedding? As for converting… would she have had to have converted to have a Jewish ceremony? If so, just reaching here again… but is it possible, he didn’t pressure her to convert, but maybe she knew it was important to his family, and was willing to… all on her very own? (;

  20. amanda says:

    The cover that the Martinez baby stole! I’m not big on babies but that one is super cute.

  21. lover says:

    why wait till the bump was so big,

  22. DeltaJuliet says:

    I just can’t work up much enthusiam on a big wedding for a third marriage. Where the bride is 40. And pregnant. And wearing white.

    Maybe it’s just that I hate how the magazines and PR people always say “Oh she finally found love!” “This time it’s for real”! Blah blah. For one, it’s extremely disresectful to any former spouse and/or children that a person has. And two, they say this EVERY TIME. At some point these people should smarten up and just say nothing. “The bride and groom are very happy”…leave it at that.

    I wish them well and all, it just seems like a bit much.

  23. Stephanie says:

    Maybe he wanted a backyard wedding because it was a shotgun wedding? The white is hilarious btw.

  24. LenaW says:

    A lot of people are saying that no one made Drew convert but what if she had chosen not too? You guys don’t think Will’s family wouldn’t have criticized her for it? What if she had wanted a civil ceremony or some other non-religious ceremony?

    My last point is that she choose a Chanel dress and her now father in law worked is connected to them. She probably couldn’t have told the people at Chanel she wanted a custom strapless mini or something.

    I don’t want to sound paranoid or doubtful I’ve always been a fan of Drew’s and I’m happy she is happy and having a baby. I wish her the best. So to end on a good note I’ll also add that I LOVE her veil and the ornament(?) head piece as well.

    :)

    • OMSS says:

      I doubt she was forced. She is a grown woman, if she did not want to convert she could have declined, even if it meant not marrying the man she wanted. Unless they held a gun to her head or made threats to her life or child, which I doubt, SHE made the choice… Also, she must have known about his faith and beliefs beforehand. I’m sure she knew what she was getting into. Maybe she truly wanted to wholeheartedly throw herself into something new- a new husband, a first child, and a new system of beliefs or focus. IDK

  25. Sarah says:

    Oh for f*&#@ sake. This is not hard to do, Drew. When you are pregnant, wear an EMPIRE waist dress. That’s the best part of being pregnant on your wedding day. You get to wear an EMPIRE WAIST. Don’t tie a black belt around your middle, it makes you look a potato in karate class. EMPIRE. WAIST. It’s like she’s never tried on dresses before. CHRIST.

  26. bns says:

    I’m actually surprised that she sold the pictures. She had been keeping so quiet about everything.

  27. fancyamazon says:

    Congratulations to the both of them. :)

  28. Gene Parmesan says:

    “like this is her second.or her third”…
    Damn Kaiser!! lmao shade…….

  29. I.want.shoes says:

    For “exclusive” pictures, they are craptastic. As is her dress.

  30. annaloo. says:

    These photos are just as lovely as the photos from her last two marriages. Next.

  31. lower-case deb says:

    the first picture is like: “oops. big zit”

  32. Suzy (from Ontario, Canada) says:

    I wouldn’t assume that he made her convert. Sometimes when a child grows up with a lot of instability and lack of rules and boundaries/parents that act more like children than adults (like Drew did) they often crave a much more traditional and conservative home for their own family when they start having children. Their can be comfort in the rituals and boundaries.

    She had a rough and turbulent time growing up and it took her some time to figure out who she was and what she wanted. She seems to have matured a lot. She seems really happy and I hope that this marriage brings her what she craves.

    Personally I also feel like he’s not a great fit for her, but then I obviously don’t know him personally. Maybe he has a great sense of humour? Maybe he treats her really well and makes her feel special. Who knows?

  33. Reece says:

    I’ll wait to see the full dress effect…

  34. dahlianoir says:

    Her tiara is beautiful, too bad her hair wasn’t done.

  35. Viv says:

    I give her 1000 extra points for choosing such beautiful peonies for a bouquet. Not a fan of the dress, but I think the choice of husband is so much better this time. This has a chance to last, I think. He looks like he is aware of what he is getting himself into.

  36. Really? says:

    How nice to have your wedding pic next to the “notorious criminals.” That’s so Hollyweird.

  37. SFRowGuy says:

    Too many haters, too many critics.

    Drew’s wedding gown is ‘traditional’, low key, not flashy or showy. I like it, it’s subtle. And Drew looks beautiful. Like a June bride should. Congratulations Drew. All the best wishes.

  38. Marianne says:

    Barf. This is why I hate when celebrities do the “Respect my privacy…but oh hey I’ll sell my private wedding pics to make some money”. And I guess she’s also confirming the pregnancy as well.

    And I also don’t like the dress. But still congrats on the marriage.

  39. G says:

    I read it was around 100 people. What’s not a BIG wedding by any means and a quite modest one by Hollywood standards.

    Wish them well.

  40. Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

    Will looks like Jessica Simpson’s K-fed Eric.

  41. Aqua says:

    Everyone has a different vision as to how they want their wedding to be.I hope it was everything they hoped for and more.

  42. thetruthhurts says:

    I love the photo of Drew by herself. Although I don’t see the need for two covers, let alone that she got the cover at all. I have no interest in her anymore really, she is not ‘cover worthy.’

  43. Issa says:

    Love the sleeves and its different. It would have been a beautiful dress if the collar was less obvious. Its Drew. Hate, hate the sleeveless wedding dresses. Unless you’re twiggy or thin, its unflattering. All brides look the same. At least Drew looks somewhat original. He has his hand on her belly like an expecting Dad. Publicity stunt?

  44. boo says:

    I wish her the best and from this South American I say Mazel Tov! I’ve always liked Drew, she seems quite vulnerable and sweet yet is a heavyweight in the movies business, good combo.

  45. Diamond Girl says:

    Ivanka Trump converted; Chelsea Clinton did not. Who knows if Drew did? But it doesn’t seem like she had to.

    The bib ruffle thing is hideous.

  46. Dana says:

    Are Drew and Will the only two people at the ceremony who think this shit will work out?

  47. Lisa B. says:

    This is so odd. I’m still not over Justin Long and she’s already pregnant and married? That was fast.

    Don’t know why but I don’t see this lasting much. As a very typical pisces girl like Drew, I understand this whole thing as one more of the multiple personas us pisces girls have through life.

    Because we want to be everything under the sun and sometimes, at the same time. Preppy housewife, glamorous superstar, crazy ass rock chick, mother of earth hippie, femme fatale, you name it. But we also get bored REALLY fast and when that happens, we just jump into new relationships (or marriages!) and find new interests.

    This is Drew’s third marriage and the quintessencial pisces woman is Elizabeth Taylor. See a pattern?

    Right, I’m getting carried away here.

  48. Emm says:

    I don’t think the dress is hideous. It is designed by K.Largerfeld. My first thought was, wow, that’s covered up! But then realized it was a traditional jewish ceremony.

    I still think the long veil and white dress is a bit much since this is her 3rd wedding…

    How am I the only one thinking his hand on her abdomen is creepy like he’s slyly trying to touch her crotch? I think it’s the way his hand is angled…